Talkin’ Cowboys: Man Up in Mile High

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: "Man Up in Mile High"

Date: October 23, 2025
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Isaiah Stanback, Patrick "No Ce" Walker, Josh Rodriguez
Location: The Star, Frisco, TX

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Overview

In this Thursday edition of Talkin' Cowboys, the crew delivers an in-depth preview of the Dallas Cowboys' upcoming game against the Denver Broncos. The conversation flows from updates on Cowboys' injuries and roster moves to a sharp breakdown of what to expect from the matchup between the Cowboys defense and the Broncos' offense. Special attention is paid to coverage schemes, run defense, key Denver playmakers, and how recent adjustments could impact the outcome on Sunday. As always, the crew blends football analysis with signature laughter and camaraderie.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Cowboys Roster Updates & Injuries

• Practice Participation:

  • Demarvion Overshown (LB), Savion Redel (CB), and Cooper Beebe (OL) all returned to practice, though only in individual drills ([06:06]).
  • Jonathan Mingo activated to the 53-man roster; Trevor Keegan designated as the corresponding IR move ([13:51]).
  • Zion Childress re-signed to the practice squad, freeing a spot by moving Jalen Brooks to the “practice squad injured” list ([07:12]).

• Injury Report:

  • Trevon Diggs remains in concussion protocol; Patrick notes based on personal observation that Diggs "doesn't look like he feels well" ([09:29]).
    • “As we sit here and have this conversation on Thursday, I do not believe Trevon Diggs takes the field this week... If he does, I'll be pleasantly surprised.” – Patrick Walker ([09:44])
  • Donovan Wilson still limited by an elbow/shoulder injury but could play.
  • Kenny Clark's elbow soreness is minor; practiced in a limited capacity.
  • Tyler Smith and Eric Scott Jr. ("One Yay") limited but trending positively after migraine issues ([11:12]).
    • Discussion highlights how debilitating migraines can be, relating to both professional athletes and Isaiah's daughter’s experience ([11:31]).

• Team Health Trend:
  “As far as the injury front is concerned, Cowboys are getting a ton of good news. And then you add Zion Childress back... you got a lot of cornerback enforcement.” – Patrick Walker ([13:00])

Broncos Offense vs. Cowboys Defense: Game Plan & Matchups

What Worked for Giants' Defense vs. Broncos

• Man Coverage Success:
  “The Giants defense played man-to-man and was in the hip pocket of every receiver.” – Isaiah Stanback ([19:27])

  • Aggressive, sticky, and attack-minded play limited the Broncos for three quarters.
  • Switch to soft zone coverage in the fourth quarter allowed Broncos to rally for 33 points.

• Film Breakdown:

  • Giants’ defenders were assignment-sound on Denver’s heavy screen game, displaying film study and preparedness ([19:47]).
  • “If you run zone... Bo Nix had more time, guys could work their way into open zones because [the Giants] were playing zone defense...” – Isaiah ([20:41])

What the Cowboys Can Learn

• Takeaway:
  “Just don’t take your foot off the gas,” warns the crew after the Giants' costly switch to zone and conservative play with a lead ([21:37]).
• “If you get out to a hot start… and don’t make the brain fart mistake the Giants did—don’t just give the fourth quarter away, then the Cowboys can win.” – Patrick Walker ([25:59])
• Key: Play Man, Pressure Bo Nix, Don’t Let Up.

Denver’s Offensive Weapons

• J.K. Dobbins (RB):
  • 523 rushing yards, 4 TDs, 2nd in 10+ yard runs in the NFL ([24:09]).
  • “For me, frankly, a little intimidating going up against him, tackling the way this defense has been tackling... He pounds the rock.” – Josh Rodriguez ([23:31])
• Cortland Sutton (WR):
  • Size (6'4"), consistency, and Sean Payton’s new "Marcus Colston"—the go-to big-play threat ([31:10]).
  • “If you run zone, he’ll find his way in the zones, he understands coverage. If you don’t get pressure on Nix, you allow for him to get down the field and now Nix will throw it up...” – Isaiah Stanback ([31:44])
• Bo Nix (QB):
  • Can run if needed; “If you get pressure on him and knock him off his first or second read, he's shaky. He will throw it up... Now comes your opportunity to come down with that ball.” – Patrick Walker ([33:27])

Defensive Emphasis

• Be Aggressive, Stick in Man:
  • “Cowboys defense, be average. But give me the splash plays... minimize the chunk plays.” – Patrick Walker ([34:04])
  • “Coverage helped the pass rush… coverage can generate pass rush just as pass rush can help coverage. You just can’t be bad at both things.” – Patrick Walker ([45:59])

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In-Depth Lab Coat Segment with Patrick “No Ce” Walker ([40:49–47:11])

Data on Cowboys Coverage Trends

• Early Season:

  • Week 1 vs. Eagles: Only 3% man coverage ([42:20])
  • Week 2 vs. Giants: Just 4% man coverage ([42:24])

• Recent Game (vs. Commanders/Week 7):

  • Jumped to 48% man coverage, huge strategic shift ([43:01])
  • Result: Allowed only 2.9 yards per play in man (vs. 8.7 in zone); Washington QBs had a 45.7 passer rating, forced fumble, and pick-six ([43:39])

• Lesson:

  • “We’re not saying we want the Cowboys to run man coverage 100% of the time… What we’re saying is…you were not giving opposing offenses much to scheme against because they knew that when they came in you were a zone team. Now, if you’re keeping this at 48, 49, maybe you tap 50/50… now they got to guess.” – Patrick Walker ([45:02–45:18])

• Giants’ Example Connection:

  • “Three quarters of the Giants game against the Broncos in which they caused a lot of problems – they were playing man. When they opted to play zone, the Broncos put up 33.” – Isaiah Stanback ([46:09])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Importance of Man Coverage:
  “[The] Giants defense played man-to-man and was in the hip pocket of every receiver.” – Isaiah Stanback ([19:27])
  “Coverage helped the pass rush… you just can't be bad at both things.” – Patrick Walker ([45:59])
• On Sutton:
  “He is Sean Payton's new Marcus Colston.” – Isaiah Stanback ([31:10])
• On Defensive Improvement:
  “If you’re close to average and you don’t have self-inflicted wounds… the Cowboys can take this game.” – Patrick Walker ([30:19])
• Podcast Chemistry:
  “This has just been a show of promotion.” – Kyle Yeomans ([48:05])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Roster/Injury News: [06:00]–[14:11]
• Broncos Offensive Threats (Dobbins, Sutton, Nix): [23:09]–[33:54]
• Cowboys Defensive Game Plan & Lab Coat Segment: [40:49]–[47:11]
• Fun Banter (Underwear & Fan Shout-Outs):
  • Opening banter: [01:37]–[05:41]
  • Fan interaction & Tony Romo story: [39:01]–[40:18]
• Lab Coat/Science Lab Analytics: [41:08]–[47:11]

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Conclusion

This episode arms Cowboys fans with key context for Sunday’s clash against the Broncos:

• The defense’s resurgence is real after schematic changes, especially with increased man coverage.
• The Broncos have a formidable run game and a big-play wideout, but can be rattled with pressure and aggressive coverage.
• The real test is consistency—staying aggressive for four quarters, not just three.
• Internal chemistry, detailed analysis, and fan engagement are what make Talkin’ Cowboys essential pregame listening.

Don’t miss Patrick Walker’s full “Science Lab” column on DallasCowboys.com for deeper data breakdowns!

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End of summary

Transcript

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Lamb.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's on Jake Ferguson. Husk keeps it and he bangs it into the touchdown.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And now your hosts, Isaiah Stanbach, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. It's a terrific Thursday edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas, in the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody. We've got the whole cast and crew ready for you to rock today with Patrick, Nosie Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Glad you're with us. It's been the last couple days. I've made a conservative effort since you got mad at me for not pointing at the correct person.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Josh Rodriguez.

[Isaiah Stamback]

What do you have there over your left shoulder?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Huh?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Over my left shoulder we got black rifle coffee, the America's team blend. Fellas. Get it at your local Black Rifle coffee shop. And.

[Isaiah Stamback]

And.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And every game day. If you wear your Cowboys gear, you get 10 off of your purchase. 1 0.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Now, baby, I need you to clarify. Gear, huh?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Anything?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Stickers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, they do.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Stickers count?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Star tassels count hats.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't think they sell that.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Cowboys Tidy whities.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, no, don't. Don't be.

[Isaiah Stamback]

When's the last time you were a white pair of draws?

[Josh Rodriguez]

White pair?

[Isaiah Stamback]

That's a question for you. Put that in the chat. When's the last time you wore a white pair of drawers?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, wow.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Why is it definitely not when we face the Broncos? I'll tell you that right now.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'm glad he wore the brown pants.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Bro, seriously, do you have a white pair of draws?

[Josh Rodriguez]

No.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Does anybody?

[Patrick No See Walker]

No. I'm a grown man. Why would I have a white pair?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Bro, I think it takes a grown man to wear a white pair of draws.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Very confident in yourself. I trust myself.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Isaiah's like, wait, you don't that's all I have.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Fruit of the Loo.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, welcome in Talk very much so. It's the defensive preview day. Going up against the Broncos offense today.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Why there's some people that I'm walking down the street and I look at them like they wear white draws.

[Patrick No See Walker]

What, bro? I, I, I, I don't even want to go down this rabbit hole, but I gots to.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You have to ask?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I gots to know what on God's green earth, what in the Sam Hill is a indicate someone might be a white drawers wearer in the eyes of Isaiah Stambic?

[Isaiah Stamback]

I don't know. It's just, it's just a feeling.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's a vibe.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

It's just a feeling. Black Eyed Peas, man, I gotta. Yeah, it's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't know if they're wearing loafers with socks.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I don't, I don't know.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know, you just kind of know.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I feel like if they say, how you doing? Like, I feel like anybody who would say like, how you doing? I feel like that's, that's probably one of the indications they hit a George Pickens.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Nice try, buddy. How do that feels, commando?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

How you doing?

[Isaiah Stamback]

He's thinking about it now. Look at him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Look, I don't, I, I don't disagree.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, I think.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But we also don't judge. If that's you, I think God bless.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Do what makes you feel good as long as it doesn't in, you know, intrude upon other people's enjoyment. And you're clearly not intruding upon Isaiah's enjoyment if you choose tidy whities.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Pete says no seat wears Underoos.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Spider Man.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Oh, no.

[Patrick No See Walker]

If I were to wear under rules, I'm not going to tell you what draws I wear. If I were to wear Underoos, it wouldn't be Spider Man. It'd be Superman. Oh, okay. Let's just be clear. Maybe some Goku. Ah, you know, royal blue. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Minor Sailor Moon.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Hey, don't sleep on Sailor Moon.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Stop it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We, We've already.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Joke.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We've already talked about mine. When the pants ripped at the stadium last year, all green, they were like North Texas green, Right?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Green draws down. Yeah, yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Green draws, bro.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In a black suit. And it was.

[Patrick No See Walker]

The question is, did they begin?

[Kyle Yeomans]

It looked like a stoplight down there.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was a bad day.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's why you have three kids.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I was like, go, go, go.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Welcome to talking.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You don't have triplets for nothing, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Make it happen.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Green draws, bro. Was it it wasn't their game day. You just, just. We're feeling froggy. I hate this, Joe.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I hate this. Who just grabs the green draws all.

[Isaiah Stamback]

The eeny, meeny, miny.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was after. It was after North Texas win. That's why.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Instead of Kyle, you are dedicated.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, I am dedicated.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Kyle put those on. Turned around in the mirror was like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, don't think I did that one.

[Josh Rodriguez]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Gotta get back to football.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I guess because there are multiple people that were turned to pray they were back to football.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I saw a cool picture of somebody. I don't know who it was though.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Did you? Who was figuring.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I couldn't really see who the number was.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Why figure out what draws they had on? Definitely did not. Definitely did not.

[Isaiah Stamback]

This person's a little more swaggy. I don't think they're wearing green draws, but. Who was it?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Demarvion? Overshoot, you mean?

[Isaiah Stamback]

I'm sorry, what was that?

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Marion overshoot number zero.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No, he was like on the sideline doing stuff with like Van.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, no, not at all. He had his helme in on. He was running through individual drills. He was doing drills with linebackers coach Borgonzi. So yeah, he was. He was out there. He was doing things with the. The other linebackers. Looked good, moved well. Same can be said for Savone Revel. Revel was out there doing linebacker, not linebacker drills. He was doing cornerback drills. He did some individual drills. Neither one of those guys, including Cooper Bibi, who was also back on the practice yesterday.

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[Patrick No See Walker]

Neither of those three guys did any team drills.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That's okay.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Completely fine. Although Demo did say yesterday that today they might kind of dip his toe in the pool as far as some team drills are concerned.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So as long as he does it carefully.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, 100%. Absolutely. So Demo Civil, Revel, Cooper, BB all back at practice as their 21 day windows start. And Jonathan Mingle was back at practice as well, but in a different capacity because he's actually activated. Back to the 53 man roster.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Four additions, you're saying?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Five actually. Would you like the fifth? Yeah. What's the.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, yeah. Would you like the fifth?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why not?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Would you like the fifth? Now what?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Plead the fifth.

[Patrick No See Walker]

All right. There's a familiar young face back in the building. Back Cowboys re signed cornerback Zion Childress. Oh, we're back. Zion Childress is back. He is on the Cowboys practice squad. To make room for him on the practice squad, Jalen Brooks was moved to practice squad. Injured. The practice squad injured. So I did See Jalen Brooks doing some. Basically he's. I mean he's injured, but there's no injured reserve for.

[Josh Rodriguez]

For practice squad. So it's its own.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's. Yeah. It's its own list.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just know that it's a part of the new stuff. When they expanded the 16.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. Which frees up a practice squad spot and Zion show just his back to fill that practice.

[Isaiah Stamback]

So can he ever get back on the practice squad?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Who? Brooks. Brooks. Yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Absolutely.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay. I don't know. As long as it's not season ending when I don't. I don't get any indication that it is season.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Someone else would have to move off of it.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I just don't think there's a four game designation on that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, there's not. It's a completely different. So whenever he's ready, he's ready. And if they want to. It's not. I hate to say the word reactivate. So when they want to move him back to the practice squad, actual practice squad wash roster, Jalen Brooks I'm referring to. All they need to do is figure out who they want to move off of it.

[Isaiah Stamback]

So is that a whole another salary designation as well? Like is it.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, it's still. I mean because you know practice squad, they have their own salary designation.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I know their salary so nice.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now I. I bet it's. I bet it's slightly different.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Okay. I imagine so.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't know that for sure.

[Isaiah Stamback]

So many different changes.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. Facts. So Zion Childress.

[Isaiah Stamback]

So he see. He got released from H town. Got you.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He's back. He's back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So any cleared waivers and.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And with all of that being said, he now qualifies for full three elevations. Oh, Cowboys need him. So there's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So they reset.

[Patrick No See Walker]

They reset.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you leave and then come back.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He went signed with another team. Was claimed by another team.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But really those shuts his eye on because that, that So a guy that we talked about, who we have an affinity for. Isaiah's talked about him before. It's great to have him back. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Seriously?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean you were 53.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I was mad. I was mad that he left. I'm glad that he's back in the building. Obviously he was of no value to Houston or Houston didn't see the value in him. So I mean, you know, another man's trash is another man's treasure. Glad he's here.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Definitely works out for you in the capacity of this next thing I'm saying. So Trayvon Diggs still in concussion protocol who was in the building yesterday. I actually saw him in the locker room as well. And I get it. I see why they sent him home the day prior. Kind of. Kind of. Kind of glassy out a little bit. Like, doesn't. Doesn't look like he feels well. Just doesn't look like he feels well.

[Isaiah Stamback]

From. From the home incident.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, I just. That's what I mean. Like, I spoke with him yesterday. Like, just a quick little back and forth, like, hey, you know, Trayvon, how are you doing? And he was like, hey, man, I'm doing good. But the eyes were kind of. I was like, oh, all right. Yeah. I don't know the story behind it, but nobody does. Yeah. But I will say that I could see why on Monday they. They sent him home. He clearly has some more benchmarks, and I don't. I say that to say I don't know that he takes the field this week. As we sit here and have this conversation on Thursday, I do not believe Trayvon Diggs takes the field this week. Based on. Based on what? I saw your state. If he does, I'll be pleasantly surprised. But I just. I don't see it. We'll see, because obviously, that's going to be up to the independent neurologist to clear him for that. So. Donovan Wilson, still dealing with that elbow and shoulder issue. He did not participate, but he missed a couple practices last week, and he still was able to take the field. So we'll see how that goes. Everything else is just the good news. Cooper, BB back. Kenny Clark. Kenny Clark, he did return to the game. I know a lot of fans were wondering what was going on with the elbow. Shoti said yesterday it was just, he's dealing with some slight soreness, so. But nonetheless, he did participate in practice, albeit in a limited capacity. So it doesn't seem like there's much concern there for Kenny Clark's elbow at all, which is good news. Uh, Marshawn Nealon, limited participant. We talked about demo Revel there. Back at practice, Tyler Smith, limited. He's still working through some things. Uh, one. Yay. Was back at practice, so that's good news.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Um, they're kind of working him back in. And I know there's this unknowing. I'll say it. I'm not gonna say ignorance, but there's this unknowing. For anyone who's never suffered migraines or cluster migraines and things like that, they tend to think that. And I. This was based on a conversation I had on Twitter with some fans, and I I say this with a lot of love. A migraine is not a headache. So for those that are asking, how can a headache keep you out of an NFL game?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Migraine.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Migraine is not a headache. It is absolutely debilitating. But after the game, I did speak with one gay and I asked him how he was feeling, and he said he's feeling much better. Practice report bears that out. He did participate, albeit limited. So he's kind of easing his way back. So good shot for him to take the field this week.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Crazy thing is obviously not nowhere near on the same playing field. But my daughter, who loves track, right. She's a top 15 in the country track athlete also, I love her, proud of her. She does not want. I asked her yesterday, I said, do you want to run indoor this year?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Right.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Because her new club that she runs for does not run indoor. So I said, do you want to go? I'll take you as an independent. She said, no, I don't want to run because I get migraines at. At the indoor meets.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Interesting.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Like. Like, that's like somebody who, you know, Scott, she loves track, like, loves competition. She's like, I do not want to go through a migraine. And to ensure I don't go through a migraine, I don't want to run indoor track.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's interesting.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

She gives a migraines into indoor tracks for some reason.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just the lights, I guess.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Indoor. The lights.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

But like, it shuts her down.

[Josh Rodriguez]

She said, I don't like those lights.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I don't like those lights, bro. It like, so to that point, it is debilitating enough to take your.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And there are severity. Passion out of it, too.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Also keep this, this add to the fact of the occupation we're talking about if it'll shut down a track runner. Yeah, right. If you're a football player required to hit, required to hit it, think, react, you know, so, yeah, maybe not. Maybe not so so much the smart thing. So he's on the. On the upswing. So hopefully when you can return after missing like last week's game. But mostly as far as the injury front is concerned, Cowboys are getting a ton of good news. And then you add Zion Childress back. So Childress back on the practice squad. Revel starting his practice window. Carson being activated to the 53 last week, you got a lot of cornerback enforcement.

[Isaiah Stamback]

And this is the time of the season that you need your reinforcement, you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Need your guys back, and you need to be at full strength, one, because of the talent level, period. But two, because of the depth that you're going to need in the next four to five weeks. I mean you're going to need it pretty heavy and really the entire next 10 games. Yeah, next 10 games. By the way, I don't, I don't know if you mentioned this. Jonathan Mingo who was activated, he was given the spot on the active roster because they designated Trevor Keegan.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Trevor Keegan to the Irishman that Mingle was back. But Trevor Keegan, which is corresponding move. There was a show that told fans that that's what the move would be trying to think what it was was it. Was it talking? It was. It was talking. Okay. Best podcast going.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And you know what else Talking Cowboys is going to tell you about?

[Patrick No See Walker]

What's that?

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's going to tell you about how this Cowboys defense is going to continue their momentum against the Broncos offense. It is Our official defense vs offense preview digitally here on Talking Cowboys and we'll talk about it right after this.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm home.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Hey, Mom. Before you ask, I've done my homework and the dishwasher's unloading. Nice. Hey, can you.

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[Isaiah Stamback]

A promise to work hard and to build a future.

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[Isaiah Stamback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Back to Talking Cowboys. Back here on Talking Cowboys. This segment of the show is brought to you by Invisalign. The official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. Back with Patrick, Josh, Isaiah, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Glad you're with us. It is the defensive preview day versus the Broncos offense. Not an easy matchup as we outlined yesterday. The Cowboys offense, elite. Cowboys defense, or excuse me, Broncos defense, elite. So that's going to be an elite on elite. Good on good matchup on that side of the ball. This one's a little bit different, but the Broncos are still very good on the offensive side of the ball. And Dallas played well last week, but that was the first time in quite some time that they've played exceptional football against a formidable opponent that's not the New York Jets. So with that to be said, Isaiah, what did the New York Giants last week do well on the defensive side of the football through the first three quarters to hold the Broncos offense until they, of course, did what they did in the fourth quarter and put up 33.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Same thing that the Dallas defense did last week against the Commanders, which was what? Man. Man to man. The Giants defense played man to man and was in the hip pocket of every receiver.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That was.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That was an option. These guys played very sticky defense. They're very aggressive defensively. The Giants did a good job of seeing the hole in the running game.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Just hitting it. These guys were playing aggressive. They were hitting like crazy. The screen game from Denver, which they run extensively. These guys were. They were all over it. They were watching their keys. You could tell that they had watched the film. They were studied.

[Patrick No See Walker]

They were prepared.

[Isaiah Stamback]

All the guys at the second level and the corners, even the corners for the. The Giants were seeing it, reacting to it and going and hitting okay. It was like there was zero hesitation at all. Coverage wise. They were in the hip pockets of sudden and mims and all these guys, there was no space. So everything had to be perfect. And Bo Nicks was not perfect in that game. They also was able to elicit some pressure, obviously with their front four. They did not make it easy, Bo Nicks to be able to get the ball out. So they did that all the way through three quarters of football. Fourth quarter, they had a lead. They backed off. They started playing zone. They literally started playing cover three. They started.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What was that again? They started playing what?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Zone.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And that's a bad thing.

[Isaiah Stamback]

It was terrible. Terrible. They were able to start then because your second level defenders were backing off and sinking into their zones. Screen game started working. The run game started working. Your pass rush wasn't as effective. You weren't blitzing anymore. The guys, they run a lot of deep routes. They really want to have the big play element to their game. So guys were able to start working their way to those second levels because Bo Nicks had more time. And because he had more time, guys could work their way into open zones because we were playing his own defense versus in the first three quarters, you could run down the field all you want to, but somebody was running with you. So that's what changed for the Giants. They really took the. Took their foot off the gas and because of that bit them in the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In the rear, in the hand ports.

[Patrick No See Walker]

There you go in the hunt.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, that is literally just that clear. Like, it's. It was. I don't understand it. I mean, good, because they. They lost in our division, but like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Two scores, I could see you backing off and playing a certain way, but if you give up two scores that way in succession back to back there, and then you continue to stay off the ball and you continue to allow them to just march down the field. That was what stood out to me, is the way they've just effectively just boom, bang, dink, dink, dunk, bam.

[Isaiah Stamback]

There was a fourth and three call. That was. That was a holding.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Exactly.

[Isaiah Stamback]

There was a holding on fourth and three that would have ended the game. There's about six minutes left in the game. Seven minutes left in the game. There's a holding call, fourth and three, that extended.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And they were still down by 18.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, at that point, that gave Denver hope because they were playing his own. Bo Nix was able to convert on a couple first downs with his legs. He really doesn't want to run, but he will run because they were playing his own. They were able to get the ball out in some. In some. Some screenplays that was able to get them 15, 20 yards of pop. So, like, there was things that the zone allowed for. That man was not allowing for earth for the three fourths of this game. And they took advantage. I mean, you. It's still a Sean Payton offense, so you have to respect it from that regard. But he's. These receivers based on that game were not getting open versus the defensive backs for the Giants.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And look at Brian Burns after that game, just absolutely frustrated. That might be the best word to use here on the podcast. But, yeah, you have to hate how the Giants handled that towards the end of the game, if you are a Giants fan. But just seeing what Bonix was able to do his. And just in terms of his capability, because he's always looking downfield. He's not looking to run like you just said, but he's. He'll take it.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Oh, he'll take it. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He'll take the easy yards when he can give them to him. Which is something that, like, concerns me greatly about what we faced in terms of a dual threat quarterback.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's alarming. You look at number 27, J.K. dobbins if. If Rico gave you issues, this guy's going to give you issues as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's had a good year, too.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's had a really good year. And he's formidable. He is.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He pounds the rock. And it is, for me, frankly, a little intimidating going up against him tackling the way this defense has been tackling. I think they're capable. It's just about being sound. And of course, we're going to have the courtless Sutton conversation in a little bit, but my goodness, man, Dobbins, what.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A player right now. 105 carries, 523 rushing yards, four touchdowns on the ground. All three of those Numbers are top 10 in the NFL. And he is second in the NFL with runs of 15 yards or, excuse me, of 10 yards or more. Only Jonathan Taylor has more than J.K. dobbins. And it's explosive and effective.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely.

[Isaiah Stamback]

And it's confident.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Got that one, two punch.

[Isaiah Stamback]

As confident as you are in a Dallas Cowboys running game.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

In terms, we're running for 122 yards per game. They're running for 132. Yeah, we're third, I think, in the list on. For scoring. They're in middle of the pack, so they're not necessarily converting on a whole lot in terms of turning into points because they will run. They'll do it on. They'll go for it on fourth.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But hey, if they want to get right, yeah, yeah, this is the week to do it.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You know, for me, it's. And I spoke about this a couple weeks ago in science lab when we had the. The conversation of, is it required for an NFL team nowadays to have both an elite offense and an elite defense to win the Super Bowl? The answer is no. Okay. Because only three teams in the past 25 years have actually needed an elite side. On both sides. All you need is the Dallas Cowboys defense to be average. Ish.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And that includes, in this game as well, Bo Nix. Yeah, he can. He can make some plays. We know that. J.K. dobbins. We know he can make some plays now. He's healthy again. Okay. So much like Javante Williams, proven to the league that he's healthy and he's back to prime form. J.K. dobbins has the same chip on the shoulder. Okay. We'll get to the court conversation as well. He's making plays for those guys. But all of that being said, this is still a Broncos offense, even though it's. It's. You know, the maestro is. Is the almighty Sean Payton. They're still, you know, ranked 17th in the league. And points scored per game, they're only scoring just about 24. A little under 24 points per game. So if this is a situation where, let's say the. The Cowboys unstoppable force can get the edge on the Broncos immovable object. Broncos defense. Okay. If Cowboys can get out to a hot start and not make the just unbelievable brain fart of a mistake like the. Like Brian Dabo did. And in that case, I don't see. I don't see how Shoddy would do what Day Ball did like day Bo. What do you. What do you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, at least the tape's out there.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. For you initially, as long as. As long as you don't completely shut down mentally in the fourth quarter, technically. And normally this is not an offense in the Broncos that can light up the scoreboard or are good at coming from behind to win the game like they were able to do it against the Giants. But we all talked about why that was. Because the Giants basically laid down and said, you can have the fourth quarter, do what you will.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They kind of have the same problem that Dallas has, but flipped, except they're a little bit closer to where Dallas wants to be.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Whenever it comes to their unit that is serviceable while the other unit is elite, their. Their defense is elite. We talked about that yesterday. If you missed yesterday's show, we went in detail.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That wasn't being doom and gloom, by the way. There were a lot of comments that kind of leaned that way that were just, you know, negative.

[Isaiah Stamback]

But identify the problem without. Without doing doom and gloom.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't think being honest, it was what we see on the film, and it is how. The. How it is going to be a challenge for the Cowboys offense, which is also extremely good. So, I mean, we want you to.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Be informed when you're watching this show.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You don't want a bad performance there on. On offense on Sunday and be like, well, who? Nobody told me that. You know, it's like you kind of have to expect that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're telling you the truth, and we're telling you what we see day in and day out. And what I see is a Broncos offense that is serviceable.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They are middle of the pack service.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Need their defense to keep the game close.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Exactly.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And need it.

[Isaiah Stamback]

The.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Broncos have a higher ceiling than I think the Cowboys defense does because I think when you're looking at the Broncos offense, they're probably middle of the pack right now. You talked about 17. 17 middle of the pack. Right now their, their ceiling as an offense is probably more like 11 or 12. Like they could get close to being a top 10 offense in the league because they've got the weapons and they have pieces on that side of the ball.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Not elite.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The defense for the Cowboys is currently bad. Just statistically ranking. I know they played well last week, but statistically they're bad. They can get to 17 or 18 and that would be ideal because you have the number one offense in the league right now. So that's where I think there's an edge right now for the Broncos coming up. And I'm not making my pick until tomorrow, but that's where that I feel like there's an edge statistically and then on the film and why one team is five and two so far and the other team is three, three and one.

[Josh Rodriguez]

If you take out the Giants game just for funsies, right. If you take out the last week versus the Giants, their defense allowed an average of 11 points.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The games that they've won, it's significant.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Now flip it. Look at their offense. So look at the wins for the off for the team. For the Broncos, the win against the Titans, 20 points scored.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's the Titans, not a ton.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, right. That means the defense did. If you win in the NFL scoring 20 points, your. Your defense has a day again. 11 points was the average they won against the Bengals. 28 points is solid. But they held the Bengals to three. Right? Fair. They won against the Eagles by scoring only 21 points because they held the Eagles to 1721. They. They barely escaped the Jets. They won that game by scoring only 13 points. And they won jets against 11 points. But point being, no matter who you're playing even. Even with the Giants, look at this. 33, 32 which was the first time this season that the Broncos the outline 34 mark, right. But then look at how they shut the defense woke up and shut down. So it doesn't matter if you score 33 points in the fourth quarter if you're still allowing the Giants to have their way. At a certain point the Giant of the Broncos defense said enough is enough. And when they said enough was enough come the fourth quarter, Giants couldn't get anything at that point. And they were self. Self inflicted wounds as well. My main point being for as much rightful praise that as we we gave the Broncos defense because they earned it. And the Cowboys offense will have to go and take it. And I'm so excited about that. This is a different conversation for me because again this Cowboys offense. I believe if they can replicate what they did last week against the Commanders, they could be close to average this week. The Cowboys defense, the Cowboys defense and if you're close to average and you, you don't have self inflicted wounds and the Broncos offense doesn't reach that top 10ish area that you're saying that they're seated for.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Then, then the Cowboys can take this game.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I would argue that the Broncos offense is not going to be dropping the passes that Washington was and they're not going to be down their top three receivers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So it's, you have to play sound defense. You have to be aware of those details going in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's talk about Cortland Sutton a little bit. Kind of tease that at the moment. I mean, he's turning into a legitimate wide receiver. I don't know if I'd throw him in the elite category yet, but he is right outside of it. He's not far off.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's making a name for himself.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's a problem. He's consistent 6, 4, 2, 16 and he's always been a good receiver. Don't get me wrong, there's a reason why he's been Timber's number one for quite some time. But it feels like the end of last year, going into this year, it's a completely different mindset with Cortland Sutton. How has he become the receiver that he is now? Isaiah, when you look at what he's.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Doing better, he is Sean Payton's new Marcus Colston.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's nasty.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That is nasty.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That's what he is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I don't think he's an immaculate route runner underneath. I think he's a big time, big play guy. Yep. They'll throw the ball, they'll throw it up to him. Like I was mentioning about this offense, they want to push the ball down the field and he is their main guy with that. And if you want to double up on him, there's a dude by the name of Mims who will hurt you as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Former Frisco Lone Star product right here.

[Isaiah Stamback]

He is quick. I like him, I like his game.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And he eats because of absolutely.

[Isaiah Stamback]

One, two punch. So no Sierra, I think, yeah, I like, I like sudden. I like sudden. But I, I don't, I'm not, I don't fear Sutton. I, I, I think that you, if you get your hands on him at the line of scrimmage and you stick in his hip pocket, I think you make it difficult on him. I don't then because of that, I Can't put him in an elite conversation for that reason. I don't think he's, I don't think he's dominant yet, but I, I do think he's a problem. And if you allow, if you run zone and he, he'll find his way in the zones, he understands coverage. If you don't get pressure on Knicks, you allow for him to get down the field and now he'll. Nicks will throw it up. And it's probably not a 50, 50 ball. It's probably a 70, 30 ball to their advantage.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's key.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What do you think, Pat?

[Patrick No See Walker]

I agree. And you know what Isaiah said on the back end of that is this, is, this is going to be key to shutting down Cortland. Sutton is panicking Bo Nicks, okay? And as an SEC guy, I've seen plenty of Bo Knicks before he got to the league. Okay. And then I see a more refined Bo Nicks, especially on the Sean Payton. But I do still see that, that proclivity to panic when the pressure is in his face. Now, you have to keep in mind he can make some plays with his legs and he's willing to make some plays with his legs as well. And he's, he's tough. He's. He's not a pushover at quarterback. He's tough. Little son of a gun. But that being said, you can knock him off of his reads as long as you can get into the backfield. So this is definitely a game. Obviously, every game is a game. You want to get home on guys. But I will say some guys you absolutely have to get home on, like a Patrick Mahomes, for example, you have to get home on him. You have to get home on Lamar.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You can't let him escape the pocket.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's 100%. You can't contain him as far as sacks go. I'm fine as long as you contain him in the ball.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Bo Nick, though, if, if you get pressure on him and knock him off his first or second read, he's shaky. Yeah. He will throw it up. And then you have opportunities for interceptions and takeaways. And he's, he's so trustful of court and Sutton, which is justifiable, given what Sutton can do. Yeah, that he's going to throw that like Kyle said, that 50, 50 ball up because he's going to sell. Cortland's down there somewhere. I'm running from my life. Cortland's down there somewhere. And now comes your opportunity to come down.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's when Big plays are created.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You just have to make sure you come down with that ball.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And that's just what we're talking about. Even if you're a middle of the road defense, if you're able to make those plays, my goodness, be average.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I mean, you can be average, but give me the splash plays. But also consequently minimize the chunk plays.

[Josh Rodriguez]

2014 Cowboys defense.

[Patrick No See Walker]

There you go.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Come on.

[Patrick No See Walker]

There you go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, when we come back, we've got some lab coats. Day starts with a K, not a C, by the way. There's no C's here.

[Patrick No See Walker]

See me?

[Kyle Yeomans]

What are we talking about today, Pat?

[Patrick No See Walker]

You know what? Since we're talking about the. The Cowboys defense and we're talking about how Matt Eber flutes made some adjustments, lab coat will tell you exactly what kind of adjustments he made because good grief. That looked like a an entirely different scheme out there. So we'll talk about it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There you go. On the other side of the break with more talking cowboys.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

How's it going? You see that Cowboys game? Oh, I watched. Been seeing some good things. Totally. They have some talent. Yup.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Some great talent.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And they got some fight. Hoping this is the year. Me too. Oh, I'm Cody by the way. I'm Travis. Nice to meet you, Travis. Go Cowboys. Go Cowboys.

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[Patrick No See Walker]

Hey, mom. Before you ask, I've done my homework and the dishwasher's unloaded. Nice.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hey, can you.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Hey hon.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, I've got the finale ready to play. Here's your wine.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Wow. Isn't it nice not having to ask?

[Kyle Yeomans]

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Back to Talking Cowboys Back here on Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle Coffee Co. The official coffee of the Dallas Cowboys. Hope you're having a great morning. Our talking Cowboys family. We got Patrick no See Walker, Josh Rodriguez, the voice and the face of Black Rifle Coffee Company. That's it right there. Just Take that screenshot. It's on all your commercials. You're good to go, Isaiah. Stand back. Scary Chris Bean is back. I'm Kyle Yeomans.

[Isaiah Stamback]

We gotta get our one shot. Everybody hold up their black rifle Coffee company. Let's get our one shots right here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There it is. All right, here's the. Well, before we get in the lab coat, I actually have a shout I want to give. Last night I had an event with one of the sponsors in town. I don't know if they're technically a cowboy sponsor, but it was here in the building, so I won't say the name of it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

New Era.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was a great. No, it wasn't New Era only. It was one of the great events that they put on here, and they bring in a bunch of people from around the area that are like, all stars in their company. And it was a Q and A with Tony Romo. So we did the Q and A last night. It was awesome. So much fun talking to Tony and kind of going into his background and CBS and stuff. After it was over, everybody went and took pictures with Tony, and I kind of walked off to the side of the stage. A gentleman came up to me and he said, I'm a huge fan of Talking Cowboys. Huge fan of Talking Cowboys. He's from Houston. I can't remember his name. I wish I knew it. I looked at his name tag and I said it in the moment, but I forgot. I don't want to say the wrong name, but he came up and he said, you know, it's funny. Everybody here is like, dude, Tony Romo's up there. He's like, do you realize that Kyle from Talking Cowboys? And I was like, that made my day, brother. He was awesome. It was a great event, and I wanted to shout out all our Talking Cowboys fan movie.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'm so happy to be here, because.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you see us, if you see us around, I don't want to speak for everybody, but especially for me.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Don't talk to me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, brother. This guy stinks. Josh, you gotta be talked to.

[Josh Rodriguez]

All right, fine.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

If you see us in public, though, like, say hi, because we love talking, talking with you guys. And we'll talk ball with you, too.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Absolutely.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I know you got lab coat, bro. Just want you to make sure you're hydrated.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I gotta be hydrated. Let's get into some lab coat, shall we?

[Josh Rodriguez]

H2O.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Science.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, science. Get you some. Okay, so we're talking about the Cowboys defense versus the Denver Broncos offense. Hell yes. We would also be Remiss if we didn't continue to praise what happened against the commanders. Not because. Not because we think.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hold up the sign.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Not because we think the Cowboys suddenly won the super bowl last week. But when you talk about the, the level and the magnitude of adaptation that finally occurred, it took a while, but better late than never. Hopefully the Cowboys can replicate it. But let's go through some of these numbers now. This will be included in this week's Science Lab column, which will be up on Dallas Cowboys.com this morning. Thanks in to my friend, the webmaster, Josh Rodriguez. He'll make sure that it's up and looking pristine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

God, he's so good at his job.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He just is, darn it. He wakes up in the morning, he pisses excellence. So when you look that when I went back and I broke down, I was curious. I said, this man coverage conversation, this man coverage conversation is something that's been going on for weeks now. Okay? But it's one thing to have the eye test and say, well, clearly they're running a massive amount of zoning. Clearly it's not working for him. And even in real time, we saw 88%. Even in real time, we saw clearly they were running a lot of man. But I was curious as far as like last week, I was curious, I said, let's see what the trends say. Okay, so week one against the Philadelphia Eagles, which is a game they could have won, I'll give them that. Sure. They ran man coverage only 3% of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The time, 97% of the time.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Week two against.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And remember, that was a game where they did not play zone on any drop back from Jalen Hurts.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Correct.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Any single drop back. It was all the way through. It was no man whatsoever in that matchup.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It was also unbelievable. It's crazy. Week two, you go up against the Giants, they played zone coverage. Well, excuse me, they played man coverage 4% of the time. 3% in week one. Foe, foe, getting better foe 4% of the time in week two, week three, week four, week five, week six. Make sure you check out science lab to get those numbers. Now let's go to week seven. 48%.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What was that?

[Patrick No See Walker]

48%. Compare that up against week one. 3%. Week two. 4%, 48% of the time. Medieval flu deployed man coverage against the commanders and to great success with that man coverage being deployed. Jayden Daniels with in conjunction with Marcus Mariota on the back end of that five for 1557 passing yards allowed, 45.7 passer rating, force fumble, a recovered fumble and I will say. Well, two. Intercept. Well, yeah, he had the interception to pick six. That was actually in zone. So I'll give them credit for that. That was in zone, but for the most part that was a dominating performance and it was tied to man. Now I will also give you one more step. Yards per play allowed in man coverage against the commanders. 2.9.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I'm sorry, what?

[Patrick No See Walker]

2.9. Only three?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Is that your interest rate?

[Patrick No See Walker]

I wish. In this economy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Absolutely.

[Patrick No See Walker]

All day all the pockets would be so bad. So much better. Only 3 yards allowed per play versus would you like to guess what yards per play were in zone coverage against the Commanders?

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't know, maybe 11.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Close negotiate. What do you got? Yards per play allowed in zone coverage against the commanders.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Oh, 17.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Too high.

[Isaiah Stamback]

It was 13 or 16.9.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, it was 9. 9. 8.7 to be specific. So basically what I'm saying is this is almost a six yard difference. You allowed six fewer yards per play when you were in man coverage. You ran man coverage 48% of the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Time and that was in a poor performance.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That was in a poor performance on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The offensive side from Washington. So take that number across the entire season and I guarantee it's much higher than.

[Patrick No See Walker]

The added beauty of this is, and this is also something I mentioned in science lab is we are not saying, and I don't want to speak for everyone, but by all means to it, we are not saying we want the Cowboys to run man coverage 100% of the time.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nope.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's not what we're saying. It's also not realistic.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Nope.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay. What we're saying is we didn't want you to run zone coverage 100% of the the time.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But that's not simply because your personnel is designed for man and man press, but it's also because it goes to predictability.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yep.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You're not giving. You were not giving opposing offenses much to scheme against because they knew that when they came in you were his own team. And that's it. We don't have to prepare for man. Now if you're keeping this at 48, 49, maybe you tap. That's around 50, 50 between zone and man. Now they got to work. Now they got a guess. Now they got to try to figure it out. What's up.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Was that Dallas's best pass rush game?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I would. No, it would definitely jets for sure.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay, I'd say.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But it would be the best one against a formidable opponent. I would, I would contend it was.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Their best coverage game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's definitely True.

[Isaiah Stamback]

So coverage helped the pass rush.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, maybe a little bit.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Coverage can generate pass rush just as pass rush can help coverage. You just can't be bad at both things.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I like those numbers.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Just can't be bad at both things.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Three quarters of the Giants game against the Broncos in which they caused a lot of problems. What coverage were they playing again?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Playing, man.

[Isaiah Stamback]

And when they opted to play zone.

[Patrick No See Walker]

They put up 33 points taken to the back. Yeah. So you got their. They got their tushy spank.

[Isaiah Stamback]

So you're saying that the Cowboys should continue.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That is what. What I'm saying. I know. If you're insane. That is what I. I am saying it directly.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Okay.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'm so happy to.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's what the numbers say.

[Patrick No See Walker]

This is what the numbers say.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The aftermath, if you will.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Science, math. No Dre and M, though. No K dot. So. Yeah. That is this week's episode of Lab Coat. Make sure you check out Science Lab. Where can they find [e-mail]. it'll be up and live this morning. And it goes from week three, week five. It shows a lot of different deep dive and everything. It's just a good read. I think it's a good read. I think it's a good read. I always pour my soul into those science. Thank you for reading, ladies and gentlemen.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I will say, if you read Science Lab, there is no other human being in the world that can write like that. It is so very Patrick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Like, seriously, I don't think anybody else has a column quite like that. So shouts to Patrick. It's really. It's a fun reading. And all the references that he throws in there. It's. It's fun.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It is a fun read. And it's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It was like Captain America. Like I understood that reference analytics matter.

[Isaiah Stamback]

People go open it up. Okay.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But they only not want to say matter more when you can make them relatable and digestible. Yeah. That's the purpose of Science Lab is to give you the hard data.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But to give you the ice cream with the medicine.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Can they share that link on Facebook?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Isaiah Stamback]

They could take that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's the thing. To read it. That's the thing.

[Isaiah Stamback]

And then take the.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Pick it up, pick it up.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Drop it down, drop it down.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Share, tell your friends. Say friends.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Get yourself in on that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This has just been a show of promotion.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is what it ends up becoming. But no, no, it is a great. It's a great article. And I mean new era.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

The. I love looking across the bullpen that we've got with all of our. Our cubicles. And I just see you, like, diving in on film and analytics and all sorts of stuff.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Patrick, he's got his beakers and potions.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, he's right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Too much earthen jars.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Like a bunch of, like, numbers and stats. Yeah. And I just. I know, man. Sometimes I just. I lock it when it's time for science lab specifically, I just go. And I mean this. I just go full Raymond.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm like, trying to tell Patrick something. I'm like, patrick, no, no. And he just doesn't desk. I trick.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I got the earbuds in and it's just like, it's me and it's the data.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And, you know, his desk is stacked with earthen J. Bits of the field in it. He's examining.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Hey, shouts out to Pete. Pete said that one meme with the.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The guy with the goggles, like, doing the. Yeah, that's Patrick.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Pete in the chat said, when it comes to media. No see his man coverage. I am man coverage. I'm getting up on the line of scrimmage. Right? I am not backing off.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm not playing zone only 48 of the time.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, no, I'm playing, man. What? A hundred percent.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We don't want it 100 of the time.

[Patrick No See Walker]

We don't want them to do it 100 of the time. But when it comes to getting this science out, I ain't running zone coverage. I'm pressing the data at the line of scrimmage. That's right. I need. I need that.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Needs that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love it. All right, tomorrow, say with your chest Friday, we'll give our pickams.

[Patrick No See Walker]

We'll end the Superman on the roo. I'm done.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, no. Beginning and ending with draws at the end of the day.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Green guy over here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I had a froggy. There was a radio show in radio station that was called that, so.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Oh, my God. Kyle. And Captain Underpants things.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Instead of call. Instead of call. It's draws.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Draws.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, my God.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's going to do it for us here on Talking Cowboys for Patrick. No Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stamback crisp in the back. Kyle Yon.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Nate Newton Large Nathaniel is shown as.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What are you doing?

[Patrick No See Walker]

I just want a defensive tackle with the two.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. Trade for a defensive tackle for everybody involved with Talking Cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow with a. Say it with your chest. Friday, Nate's doing it in the. In the window. There you go, bro. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Patrick No See Walker]

How about this Cowboys? Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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