Talkin’ Cowboys: Message Received, Loud and Clear

Summary

Talkin' Cowboys – "Message Received, Loud and Clear"

Date: October 9, 2025
Podcast: Talkin' Cowboys (Dallas Cowboys Official)
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Patrick "No C" Walker, Isaiah Stanback, Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam

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Episode Overview

In this Thursday edition, the crew delves into the Dallas Cowboys' lengthy injury report, the impact of recent player comments ("bulletin board material"), and a detailed preview of the Cowboys defense vs. Carolina Panthers offense for the upcoming game. They discuss the state and confidence of both teams, analyze key matchups, and provide advanced defensive stats from the Cowboys’ recent performances.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Cowboys Injury Report: Encouraging Developments Amid Concerns

[03:02–08:49]

• The crew reviews the extensive injury list, with over a dozen names, but emphasizes that many players are trending upward and labeled as "limited" rather than “out.”
• CD Lamb (ankle) and Tyler Booker (undisclosed): Did not practice, but both showed progress in rehab.
  • Patrick Walker: “CD Lamb is bouncing some good progress. I don't see him playing this week. I do see him returning against the Commanders. This is me speaking, not the team.” [04:40]
• Kevontae Turpin (ankle): Jogging but not full speed; day-to-day; team expects his return vs. Commanders rather than Panthers.
• Donovan Wilson (elbow & knee): Missed practice, likely out vs. Panthers; Julius Wood elevated to practice squad suggests his status is doubtful.
• Several others, including Tyler Guyton and Marshawn Nealon, returned to limited work; only five DNPs (did not participate): Booker, Lamb, Sambor, Turpin, and Wilson.
• Josh Rodriguez: “You also don’t want to take what the depth did against the Jets for granted… you need to be in that win column more often than not, apparently, to get into the playoffs.” [08:27]
• The Commanders game next week viewed as more meaningful for divisional standings.

Injury List Summary ([08:49]):

• DNP: Booker, Lamb, Sambor, Turpin, Donovan Wilson
• Limited: Bland, Clowney, Cornelius, Diggs, Guyton, Houston, Nealon, Sanders, Smith, Wanye Thomas
• Full: Mingo, Carson, Kenneth Murray

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"Bulletin Board Material": Trash Talk & Player Responses

[09:31–17:29]

• The crew reacts to Panthers RB Rico Dowdle’s comments about the Cowboys' defense needing to “buckle up,” and Cowboys DL Kenny Clark’s quiet confidence in response.
• Kenny Clark's response:
  • Patrick Walker: “He got to back it up… I’m not much into talking. They ain’t played nobody like us. We ain’t played them, so he’ll watch the film and he’ll see what he’s up against.” [09:53]
• Isaiah Stanback: “Some cultures, they say, you better chill out, bucko. In other cultures, hold your horses.” [10:30]
• The segment explores the effect of trash talk: the risk of giving opponents motivation and the expectation to “stand on business” after making bold statements.
  • Patrick Walker: “If you’re a competitor, stand on business…say it with your chest. Don’t backtrack it. That makes it worse.” [17:06]
• Discussion on the meaningfulness of player statements and the context: Dowdle’s 200-yard game last week was an outlier, and his O-line is not considered dominant.

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Scouting the Carolina Panthers Offense

[21:14–29:25]

• Receivers: Tetaroa McMillan, Xavier Legette, Hunter Renfrow, Jimmy Horn Jr. highlighted as a promising, young group.
  • Isaiah Stanback: “They’re big fellas. They’re long arms. They both can run… You got to pick your poison when you want to press them.” [22:17]
• Tight end Tommy Tremble: Underappreciated, highly effective.
• Quarterback Bryce Young:
  • Crew expresses doubts. Stats: 60% completion, lowest YPA in league (5.7), passer rating 77.6. Record of 8–25 as starter.
  • Isaiah Stanback: “Decision-making is bad; confidence is bad; arm talent…he’s digressed [since entering the league].” [23:33]
  • Kyle Yeomans: “It’s really the curious case of Bryce Young…he cannot figure it out and find that same level of oomph that he had at the collegiate level.” [25:29]
• Panthers’ run game found success last week w/ Dowdle, but mainly due to Dolphins’ poor run D and short fields off early turnovers.
• O-line is “wide bodies, slower, but strong with tight combo blocks,” effective at the point of attack but vulnerable overall.

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Advanced Defensive Metrics: Cowboys “Lab Coat” Segment

[35:07–39:32]

• Patrick Walker’s Science Lab:
  • Cowboys had a 51% pressure rate vs. the Jets, fastest pressure time (2.32s), and 12 defenders with at least one QB pressure.
  • Walker: “If the Cowboys can replicate and get to Bryce Young…with nearly half a second faster than he’s already used to seeing and he’s panicking at two and a quarter seconds. You see where this is going?” [37:07]
  • Comparison: Bryce Young’s average time to throw is 2.75s; if Cowboys bring pressure at 2.32s, big trouble for Carolina.
  • Discussion: The breakthrough vs. Justin Fields—can they sustain sack production, or was it an outlier?
    • Crew consensus: Pressures have been there all season, but against the Jets, they finally “got home.”

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Game Plan & Matchup Notes

[41:03–44:09]

• Carolina expected to try quick passing, mirrored route concepts (e.g., double slants or quick outs to both sides), taking advantage of Dallas’ heavy zone coverage.
  • Isaiah Stanback: “I expect the ball to get out of his hands within that two seconds…they run a lot of mirrored route concepts that we should be very familiar with.” [41:07]
• Panthers’ best shot is short, quick-game passes to build Bryce Young’s confidence and avoid Cowboys’ pass rush.
• If Dallas pass rush doesn’t get home, Carolina’s big receivers could make intermediate plays—but OL limitations make this tough.
• Personnel note: Wanye Thomas and Marquis Bell (possibly replacing Donovan Wilson) will be key for covering crossing routes and containing Young if he scrambles.
  • Patrick Walker: “Wanye Thomas’s speed is on the field…if Donovan Wilson misses, you’re going to have Marquis Bell.” [42:56]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Patrick Walker on injury report:
  “You only have… five DNPs… Tyler Booker was seen with the rehab group… CD Lamb is bouncing, some good progress.” [04:00–04:33]
• Kenny Clark’s response to trash talk:
  “He got to back it up. I’m not much into talking…he’ll watch the film and he’ll see what he’s up against.” [09:53]
• Walker, on Rico Dowdle’s sharp rise:
  “One of those things is not like the other…he did squat week one through four, and then week five, he had a career best game, which he deserves roses for.” [15:35 & 38:57]
• Stanback, on Bryce Young:
  “Decision-making is bad, confidence is bad, arm talent…he’s digressed.” [23:33]
• Walker, on defensive breakthrough:
  “It’s not until you have that breakthrough and then you have that breakthrough and you like, oh, I can do this…once you have the breakthrough moment, you tend to be able to replicate it more easily.” [37:51]
• Isaiah Stanback, on Panthers run game:
  “Their wide bodies up front…their combo blocks are tight…you can’t even get a piece of paper between those shoulder pads.” [27:51]
• Stanback, on Bryce Young turnover:
  “He literally came out off play action…just the ball just fell out like it was doggone glitter sparkles out of a troll.” [24:33]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:02: Cowboys' injury report details and player updates
• 09:31: The "bulletin board material" discussion—Panthers RB Rico Dowdle vs. Cowboys D-line/Kenny Clark
• 21:14: Carolina’s offensive weapons—receiver, tight end, and Bryce Young’s struggles
• 35:07: Science Lab – Advanced stats on Cowboys pass rush vs. Jets, pressure rates, and matchup predictions vs. Carolina
• 41:03: How the Panthers will approach the Cowboys’ defense; mirrored routes, game plan
• 42:56: Personnel adjustments for Dallas with major safety injuries

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Tone & Style

Friendly, highly conversational, and locker-room casual. The crew mixes detailed analysis with banter and inside jokes, sharing honest opinions but always keeping the discussion lively and entertaining.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode gives a thorough status check on the Cowboys roster—especially injuries, emphasizes how key players’ health choices are shaping the week's game plan, and explores the motivational edge that comes from player trash talk ahead of a pivotal matchup. The breakdown of the Panthers’ offense (and Bryce Young’s ongoing struggles) is clear-eyed and detailed, while advanced stats from the recent Cowboys defensive breakthrough offer real optimism for the Dallas faithful. If you want to know who’s likely to play, what to expect on both sides of the ball, and how the “message” is resonating in the Cowboys facility, this is your all-in-one weekly preview.

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Notable, Unfiltered Show Moment:
“Your O-line's not world beaters.” – Isaiah Stanback, on why Rico Dowdle should stand by his earlier comments and not backtrack, summing up the tone of the team's confidence and honesty about where they stand. [16:55]

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For further stats and matchups, check out Patrick "No C" Walker’s Science Lab article, dropping on DallasCowboys.com by 11 AM CT.

Transcript

[Announcer]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

How about them? Cowboys? Go Cowboys.

[Announcer]

This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the Star in Frisco.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

CD Lamb, you told Jake Ferguson Prescott keeps it and he bangs it in for the touchdown.

[Announcer]

And now your hosts, Isaiah Stanbach, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans.

[Chris Beam]

It's a terrific Thursday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas in the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody. We've got the whole cast and crew.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Ready for you to rock today.

[Chris Beam]

So sporting his Dallas Stars best fan.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Paraphernalia because it is Dallas stars opening night. Mr. Patrick. No see Walker.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I respect it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman. So glad you're with us. Welcome in to Talking Cowboys.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Go Mariners. Oh, yeah. Game five's coming up. Man, we got our butts kicked last night.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You got a hand?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Good.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

But they got to come back to our crib for game five.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's true. Winner face the Toronto Blue Jays.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Ooh, Love it.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They're going to have to fly six hours.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that is true. Anybody's going to have to do that.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

We are, too, but I was going.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

To say that kind of works in the other direction as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Seattle for you.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

We have Boeing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, you have Boeing.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Not a good thing right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's not talk about that.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

A flex.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's not talk about that one, buddy.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Oh, no, Jim.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Baseball playoffs are fun. I. I was in the Mariners organization before I took the Cowboys job, so I know a lot of those guys, so I'm happy for them. Jul, Logan Gilbert, get ready to get.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You with the ring.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hey, I'm. I don't know if they would want to show me the ring because the.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Ring'S going to be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I was very adamant when the Rangers won the World Series. How much of a Rangers fan I was, you know, any of at that point in time?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Anybody from the Stars organization as far.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

As probably a couple, but.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A couple.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I know the bang guy. You guys know who that guy is?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, the guy that's up on the glass. That's been time in prison.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that guy.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I used to work with that guy.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

No.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, he. His dad owned the. The. Or what is it? Marketing agency that I worked for. Oh. Yeah. So he was. He was a bit of a. What's it. What's it called? Nepo, baby.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Oh, in a way. Prison. Huh.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's a small oh, yeah.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Cohort, huh? Yeah. Let's see where this is going.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's a small world. You never know how close you are between people to figure.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But literally one day he was walking around with a suit with no socks or shoes on, and I was like, what are you doing, dude? He's like, oh, got a game. Like, what are you talking about?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Why are your shoes off?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, why are you wearing sandals with a white suit? Strangest guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what Patrick was wearing yesterday after.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

He got off the show.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

It's quite clean as well. It was clean. It's an aura.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know what's not clean?

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Reforming.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know what's not clean?

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

What's not clean? The Cowboys injury report quite filled.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It looks like Bill Belichick's injury reports. That was my first thought, was. Remember when Bill Belichick was. Was coaching for the Patriots? That is not for North Carolina now, but for the Patriots. He would just litter his injury report. He does.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He litters his injury report with everything. If you have a stub, you're on the.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You're on the sneeze. Did you just sneeze? Oh, put them on the report.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Illness, nose.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Put him on the report.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Anyways, but that's what it looks like.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It's like a Costco receipt.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Even though it's not that at all. It's actually.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

It's actually improved over last week's. Oh, because last week's Wednesday injury report, you had what, 8, 9, 10 DNPs. So we'll. We'll do the quick rundown here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Aren't there 14 names on this week's injury report?

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Yeah, but most of these guys participated in some kind of fake shape or.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A lot of limited.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

A lot. A ton of limited.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A lot.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

A limited ton of limited.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

You only have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 DMPs, and you had far more than that. So Tyler Booker, CD Lamb, as expected, did not participate in yesterday's practice. Good news, though, on both of those fronts. Tyler Booker was seen with the rehab group doing work on the sidelines with. With the bands with Brit Brown. So that's good news for him.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Who else was over there?

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Those words, CD Lamb, which isn't the first time he's been out there, but. But it is the first time I have not seen an excessive amount of tape on his ankle.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I like those words.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

So, yeah, he was. He was all smiles, bouncing around yesterday. So CD Lamb is bouncing some good progress. Yeah, he was.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Whoa.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Bibbidi boppity.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

He was bippity bobbity boop. Yeah, he was bibbidi boppity. So CD Lam is making progress. I don't see him playing this week. I do see him returning against the Commanders. This is me speaking out the team. We'll see how goes Tyler Booker is making strides as well. Kevonte Turpin gave us a really, really solid update yesterday after practice. He said that he's jogging but he's not full speed just yet. That could come as early as today, but he he lists himself as dayto day. Asked directly if he sees himself taking the trip to Carolina to play against the Panthers, he said it's more likely that he'd return against the Commanders. He said that is where the team is leaning right now, which ties directly into what owner and general manager Jerry Jones told 105.3The Fan earlier week when he said fingers crossed on Kevonte Turpin. So doesn't look like Turpin will return this week, but we could see Turpin and CD Back on the field for a very important NFC east matchup against the Washington Commanders.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know who doesn't want to see Kavante Turpin return?

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Talk on it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Washington Commander that is correct. Fastest man in the NFL.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Matt and Madden circle button they remember. So now going from there we have Jack Sam Born. You know he suffered the concussion and the win over the jets did not return to that game. OB placed in the protocol was not seen on the field yesterday. But you know who was. Tyler Guyton Guy and was on the field during the media portion with a helmet with pads on going through some individual drills and Tyler Guyton was listed as a limited participant. So first practice back since suffering that concussion a couple weeks ago. So that's good news there. Donovan Wilson let's answer Kyle Y question. Donovan Wilson is not doing well right now. Okay, not one injury but two but two injuries. Dose dose industries for Donovan Wilson. He's dealing with both an elbow issue and a knee issue. He did not participate in Wednesday's practice and based upon that, in addition to the signing of Julius Wood to the practice squad, I'm inclined to believe Donovan Wilson will likely miss this game against the Carolina Panthers. Now we'll see. Yeah, we will see what Thursday and Friday's practice reports look like, but I think you should go ahead and queue up. Marquis bell ring the bell. A lot of Panthers and then you have a lot of limiteds. Daron Bland shoulder, he's dealing with something but he he practiced. So did Jadevion Clowney with a hip. Johnny Cornelius knee. These are all limited guys, by the way. Trayvon Diggs, knee, James Houston, knee. Marshawn Nealon back at practice.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yep.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Marshawn Nealon had the ankle injury that propped up last week that ultimately made him inactive against the, against the Jets. He's back at practice. Good news for Marshawn Nealon. Miles Sanders knee and ankle. He was limited. He returned to practice as well. Tyler Smith, kind of important guy. Yeah. Limited. He. He did.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He was back out there.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

He did some work yesterday at practice and one year. Thomas, he's dealing with a minor ankle issue. He was limited. So for the most part, yes, this list sounds extremely long, but when you look at how many limiteds there are, there were a lot of guys that either returned to practice or just kind of got scaled back a little bit to make sure that they're available going. But some real positives here, especially with CD Lamb, Cavante Turpin, as far as out looking forward to the Commanders, that's a much more pivotal game. Every game matters, especially when you're two two and one. So by all means, I'm saying handle the Panthers. But statistically speaking, as far as standings goes, objectively, the Commander's game is more important.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It's very important.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Every game's important.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Like you said, especially after you drop the one to the. To the Eagles.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

So now you're one and one. You don't want to be one and two on the division.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And you want to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And one would be great.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You also don't want to take what the depth did against the jets for granted. Yeah, I know we talk about it's the jets, it's the jets, but what they did last week, you can't just bet that that will happen again. Granted, this is not as important as the Washington Commanders game. You still want still very a good performance. It's still very important. You need to be in that win column more often than not, apparently to get into the playoffs.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So just to rerun that down because there was a lot on that list. Out of the dnps, it's Tyler Booker, CD Lamb, Jack Sambor, Kavate Turpin and Donovan Wilson. The limiteds were Duron Bland, Jadavian Clowney, Ajani Cornelius, Trayvon Diggs, Tyler Guyton, James Houston, Marshawn Nealon, Miles Sanders, Tyler Smith and Wanye Thomas. And then three full participants. That's Jonathan Mingo, Caitlin Carson, Kenneth Murray.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That seems like a lot.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

And Mingo.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There are a lot of names still.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

In their 21 day practice window.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Did you say seatbelt was full he.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Was a full participant in practice.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We're supposed to buckle up this week, too.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Says Rico down.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

George Pickens says the Cowboys are always buckled up.

[Chris Beam]

Can we talk about that real quick?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Kenny Smith response.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Kenny Clark. That was my favorite response of yesterday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Go through it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So I don't have the exact quote in front of me, but you can.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Find it on it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It was basically like dot com. He hasn't gone against the defense like us, and he's going to see it on film. Like, you know, he says something before that, we're buckled up. Go ahead.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

That's.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

He just pretty much like, chill out, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

He said quote, man, he got to back it. He got to back it up. Yeah, I'm not much into talking. They ain't play nobody like us. We ain't play them. So he'll watch the film and he'll see what he's up against in quote.

[Josh Rodriguez]

If he watches that jets film in particular.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, he'll probably shot 150.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Can you give it a gander, buddy?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Can you translate that first line for us?

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Please.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Translate.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Let me bring it back up. I clicked off of it.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

He said, man.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Man, he got to back it up.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Please translate that. In different cultures.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can we say that on the air?

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

No, I'm not.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, translate that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

How about you, Isaiah? Huh? Give it a shot.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

All right, let's go.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Some cultures, they say, you better chill out, bucko. Another.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Cool your jets, buddy.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Settle down.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Simmer down.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Simmer down, if you will.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

In other cultures, hold your horses.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Take it.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

See, chief?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

And other cultures just be like, oh, yeah, that's it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Like, that's it. Simply put, just.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Koi Isaiah would go.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Okay with the same face in this new generation. That's bet.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Yeah, you know, say less.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, say less.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Stand on business.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I. Oh, really? I love the confidence from Kenny Clark. I. I really do. I love it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's quiet confidence. He's not out there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's a solid confidence. Two things here. One, whenever it comes to rush defense and stopping the run, up till this point, Dallas has been decent in that category up until their most recent matchup, where they allowed Breeze hall to do what Breeze hall did, averaging eight yards a carry. So I guess if he. If Rico Dowdle does watch the film, he's going to see Breeze hall running all over the Dallas defense. So there's one thing. The second thing is he's saying we've never or the Panthers have never faced a defense like the Cowboys. The Panthers have faced the Jaguars, the Cardinals, the Falcons, the Patriots, and the Dolphins. All five of those teams. Because all 31 other teams in the NFL currently rank better than the Cowboys defense. So it's not like the statistics are backing it up. Why is that? The confidence level from Kenny Clark.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

You know, it's funny, I had this conversation with a couple. Couple followers yesterday on Twitter. Fun conversation. Sadbar. This is not Philly Green.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, it's Dallas Starscream victory.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Literally says Dallas. But nonetheless. So there was. And there were a couple of fans.

[Kyle Yeomans]

People say the same thing when I wear North Texas gear, by the way, which, by the way, tomorrow I will be wearing North Texas gear.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

You know what?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because they have a big game this week.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

It's also collegiate Friday when we, you know, boom.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Get our college football minute.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Valid point made by Kyle. Valid point that was shared by some fans who asked me. They said, hey, no see, why is Kenny Clark acting as if the Cowboys defense is. Is, you know, world be right. I. I agree they have not been. But I say shrink it to what Kenny Clark, his responsibilities and those right next to him are they've been good. Right. When you talk about Kenny Clark, also Diggy Zulu, Solomon Thomas, you can talk about the secondary struggling all the long day. You could talk about the defensive ends struggling prior to the jets game all the live long day, and you would be correct in doing so. But prior to the jets game, there's no way in hell you were going to convince me that Kenny Clark was having a mid or bad season, that Oso or Sally, mid or bad season. So I feel like Kenny Clark, while his comment was expensive and he's saying this defense, it was.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It was PC.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Right, right, right. He doesn't want to just say, well, you got to go against me. No, he's saying against the unit. But realistically speaking, Rico is going to have a challenge going up against Kenny, OSA and Solly. My only question is, can the defensive ends contribute to stopping Rico? So sorry.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We've talked about it so many times in that, like, Kyle feels like we're in the. You refer to the Dallas Cowboys interior defensive line as the best unit on the team.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The only part of the team that feels good right now is defensive tackle. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And compared to the last, I don't know, five years, it's. That has not been the case. Sorry to interrupt.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No, no interruption. Bullets and board material changes everything.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So that's essentially what Kenny Clark is saying. He said, you go watch the film. Cool.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

That's awesome.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You're gonna see our effort. But, like, you just Put a target on your back. It probably just wasn't a good idea.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

You know, just, just.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, Coach Belichick used to drive that into us, like say nothing. Which you understand why he's so mute now in, in interviews and why his players have always been relatively PC and mute or always, oh, yeah, you guys are awesome. College level, you know, he doesn't really talk for himself there, but you know, always giving kudos to the, to the opposition, you know, kind of gassing them up. You know, light the flame a little bit, just in a positive sense. Pat him on the back. Bulletin board material. It brings out that inner dog.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, it does.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It brings out the inner dog. And when you are in the backfield and you can't block for yourself, you.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Might not want to say that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Sergeant sue says you yeed your last haw. That's a good one.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It's not a good idea.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Look, and I'll put it this way, because the conversation that went on on Twitter, again, it was a good, fruitful conversation. Spirited, spirited. Sure. Because I want everyone to understand I still have a lot of love for Rico. And I, and I quote, tweeted the initial Tweet after his 200 yard game and I said, I love Rico and I love that he's talking his stuff. I love it. But you, you got, you've gotta, you've gotta produce after you do that. Now hear that? Here's September 7th against the Jaguars. 12 rushing yards, 9 rushing yards against the Cardinals, 30 rushing yards against the Falcons. He's saying he's feeling himself. 32 rushing yards against the Patriots, and then the career best 206 yards against the Dolphins. Boom. One of those things is not like the other.

[Chris Beam]

I still want to give him credit.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Though, because when you look at, and I have big facts out there, we're.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Not taking credit away, we're saying the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Bulletin board material out of nowhere, right?

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

He's emotional.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Carl Thomas, one of five running backs, one of five running backs to have 200 rushing yards in a game over the last five seasons. So he deserves to have a little bit of confidence there. But to say what he said and to completely turn it around, this is the direct quote for those that haven't heard it already. They've got to buckle up, stand on that. That was just meaning they've got a very physical game on my end. I take pride in that. Buckle the chin straps tight and I will be coming is what he said after the fact. But in the moment, he said, buckle up.

[Chris Beam]

They know what's coming.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They didn't keep me out there for five years for no reason.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Yeah. The coach.

[Kyle Yeomans]

First thing is what he said. It's like, yeah.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Now the coaching staff got with him after that initial.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Tried to. He tried to backtrack a little bit.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Walk that back a little bit. And true. And like you said, credit to him for getting the 200 plus yards. That's not an easy feat. He did it against other NFL players. 100. True. But again, of these things is not.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Like he wrote that statement in Sharpie. It's not in dry erase marker. It's in Sharpie. Once it's out there, it's out there, bro.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Like, take it back.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Your O line's not world beaters.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So do you like that he kind of backtracked it, though?

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

No, that I don't like. No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you're a competitor, stand on business.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Business.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Stand on, say, with your chest.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Exactly. Don't backtrack it.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

That makes it worse.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because now then you've got Kenny Clark looking at it and saying, oh, we responded. And now you're backtracking it. All of a sudden you want to.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

You.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You see the error of your ways. Oops.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Even Coach McCarthy, too, he's like, oh, we're excited to see him, but we're buckled up. Like, all right, all right, all right, let's go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's it really is. It was a wild statement from Rico Dowdle. I want to break down the Carolina Panthers offense, though, when we come back, because he's not the only weapon on that side of the football. Tetaro and McMillan playing well. Had a guy. Other guys. Oh, yeah, that was your guy. That was my pet cat. I mean, it was everybody's pet cat.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

To be completely fair.

[Kyle Yeomans]

When we come back with more talking Cowboys preview. The Dallas defense versus that Carolina offense.

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Yup.

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[Patrick Nosy Walker]

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Hey, Mom. Before you ask, I've done my homework.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

And the dishwasher's unloaded. Nice. Hey, can you. Hey, hon.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, I've got the finale ready to play. Here's your wine.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Most importantly KY side of the week.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's coming up today. Actually, I can sprinkle that whenever I want. It's kind of like a slider in. I'm going to slide it in wherever, wherever. It just fits in the best throughout the season.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

That's what I respect about ky. Find the hole. Hit the hole.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's exactly right. Got to find. You got to wait for your blocks to develop and you got to pound it.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just like the drum against Carolina.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Keep pounding.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Keep pounding.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

See?

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right. When we were talking about Rico Dowdle, his confidence level was certainly very high after 206 yards of rushing last week and for good reason against probably the worst run defense in the National Football League. But there are other weapons on that offense, Isaiah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

There are.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Outside of Rico Dowdle, how would you rank their next three weapons? One, two, and three.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

That's new. That's new.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You've made a, like a hog noise today.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

And then watch a lot of Police Academy.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay, that was a Tim Allen, like home improvement.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Let's talk about the receivers, man. You know, you got Ted McMillan, you got Xavier Leggette. I like both of those guys. Hunter Rifle, I like. I respect him. He hasn't necessarily done much this year, but I respect his game. So they have a nice little trifecta over at receiver. Tommy Trimble, to me, is one of the most undervalued and underrated tight ends in the game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I liked him out of college. I like him a lot.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I would Notre Dame love to see him here. If he was here ever. If he was ever opposite.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We've got a pretty good tight end.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No, we do. But I like Tommy Trimble. I like what he.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's very, you know, I like Reverend Span Ford. Go ahead.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I love Span for it. He's underutilized as well, but. Yeah, so Trimble is a weapon that's underutilized. So they might not use them, but right now they got the guys on the outside, they got the young receiving core. They've invested a lot at their receiver position. First round picks for two of their guys. They're big, they're, you know, big fellas. They're long arms. They're both physical, they both can run. I mean, you, you got to pick your poison whenever you want to decide to go up there and press them. I think we've learned our lesson in terms of pressing first round receivers that are 6, 3 and above.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It doesn't end well.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Did not end well. Not in 2025. So I think that strategy in terms of playing more zone is going to be beneficial with a pass rush this week because their quarterback is not greatest a pass rush.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Interesting.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah. Because their quarterback is. Is not it, man. I know. They have invested a lot into him. No boy, noboy friend.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, it's been bad.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It's pretty bad. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What's bad? What's bad?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Decision making is bad.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Mike Jackson.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Confidence is bad arm talent.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like, I felt like he's. He's digressed.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I don't see it really, since he.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Came into the league. I mean, look at. I mean, even Next gen stats had a. Had a mark on it. Bryce Young is 8 and 25 as a. That's a record. Eight wins, 25 losses in his career. That's the fifth lowest quarterback win percentage since 1950 with a minimum of three or of 30 starts.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

That sounds gross.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It is bad. I mean, it's not good. Now the talent around him hasn't been there as well, but when you look at his.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They put some talent around.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, no doubt they've drafted some guys, but Young has a 60% completion percentage, 5.7 passing yards per attempt, which is the lowest in the league, and a 77.6 pass rating.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Is it just confidence? Is it he's just scared to throw it deep or you're just, you're saying that the zip is not there, Just not there.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You want to talk about. I don't think it's rico having a 200 yard game. Do you know why Rico had a 200 yard game?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Why is that?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Bryce Young had two turnovers in the first quarter. He had a fumble that he literally came out off of play action. Saw a defensive end in front of him and just, just, just the ball just fell out like it was doggone glitter sparkles out of a troll.

[Chris Beam]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Dream work.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I know you didn't know where you were going there, but when you said it.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Yeah, that landed.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I love it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Literally, I saw the emptiness in his eyes as he was saying it.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Oh my.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And then he just said it and.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I was like, yeah, decide if I wanted to go there or not. I love it. That's literally what it looked like. You ever seen a troll get scared?

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Like that happened.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So that's exactly what he did.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I love that.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

And then like the next series he comes back and Xavier Leggette on a deep in route. He just overthrows him into it for interceptions. All right, bro, let's just take the ball out your hands and give it to Rico. That's how that happened legit.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I it. It's really the curious case of Bryce Young. He just never has had the confidence. He's never had the, the. And like you said, they're starting to put talent around him, but he cannot figure it out and find that that same level of oomph that he had at the collegiate level, they have, they.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Have a solid receiver core.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Like with depth, he's so not just starters. Like their depth pieces are nice.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

He's easily panicked.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Yeah, he is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

His pocket presence.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Great. And then, I mean, like you said, his offensive line, same guys who have to block for Rico, by the way. They're just, they're not really protecting him. I mean, he's been sacked nine times. And this is just with teams playing straight up. But then, you know, every once in a while they'll send an extra guy. They only blitz him like 25% of the time. Right. So the other three times you can get pressure on them with just your front four.

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[Patrick Nosy Walker]

And then once you get that pressure on him, oh, man, he's coming off that first read and he's panicking quickly. This is a.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

The Carolina Panthers are really a quarterback away from being a competitive team. Like, they really are. Like, they have a lot of talent in terms of the skill positions.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They should have invested there, taking a first over.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

And I think this is the last year for Bryce. They will be. They'll definitely. They will make a huge investment into a quarterback of the future because there's no way that you have this much talent at receiver. They got four receivers that can all contribute.

[Josh Rodriguez]

McMillan, we've talked about them several times.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Xavier Leggett, Hunter Renfro. They got Jimmy Horn Jr. Like, they got some dudes, man. You know, I mean, they have some dudes. Add in the tight ends, they add in the running backs.

[Dr. Pepper Host]

They.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They solid. It's a quarterback. Yeah. So get after him. Fluster him, you know, troll him.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Well, if you're looking at the success that they had last week, obviously it wasn't due to Bryce Young. It was the running game and zone. Run game is their bread and butter. They. But they found their success last week with the. I'm going to use this term correctly, gat scheme concepts now. And I'm using layman's terms to sort of explain this. It's blocking either at the A or B gaps, combo blocking A or B gaps. And having a lot of faith in your ride receivers to run block for you as well. You saw that a lot. And I really like Brady Christensen in that sense because they were running, running a lot to his side. The number two overall ranked guard in the NFL according to pff. And Rico was eating. Eating up.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yes.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Last week.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They're wide bodies up front.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

They're.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They're slower, they don't have great feet, but they're wide bodies and their combo blocks are tight. Like when they, when they decide to take their thoughts, they're centering their guard or tackling their guard. Whenever they decide to go shoulder to shoulder, there's no, there's no room. You can't even get a piece of paper between those shoulder Pads. So those guys, if they get on one person, you know, whether that's osa, whether that's. Why am I blanking out on everybody? Solomon, Solomon, Thomas Clark, Kenny Clark, Mozzie Smith. Those guys are going to move. Most likely, they're going to do a good job of moving that individual out the way. What you can allow is for them to move that individual and come off of that combo and get up to your second level. So that's. That's where. That's what you have to deal with up front. They do a good job of those combo blocks, but outside of that, there's not a lot I respect the heck out the head coach. I had time with him in Seattle. I know he's a. He's a brilliant offensive mind.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And you like his concepts whenever it comes to passing. Very much layered concepts that you see them continuing to employ. They do it all the time.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

We saw it last year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Those layered concepts are something that I know you've harped on before.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Now, to kind of get back to the Bryce Young conversation really quick, why are they not, at this point starting their backups? I don't even know who their backups are.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Any dogs are.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Back up.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Andy, you wouldn't trust him over Bryce Young right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think it's. You give him a shot. You give them the. I mean.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So you're saying they should give him a shot. No, no, no, no.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Saying Bryce Young.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're trying to get him to click. You're trying to get him to figure it out.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And throwing Andy Dalton in there would. Would ultimately just totally negate that. All that's waving the white flag, that's conceding defeat whenever it comes to trying.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

To get him to click or. Or to not put out enough film to justify moving on.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To show that it's the end of the era. I think if they were competitive, like, let's say the Panthers, Instead of being 2 and 3 or 2 and 4 after this week, let's say they're 4 and 2 or 5 and 1. It's something like that. Then I think, well, one, Bryce Young would probably be playing better to the. You would probably think about it. If he's not playing better, then you would get a guy like Andy Dalton to fill the void and kind of be there for Bryce Young. But no, he's there. He's their guy. They're going to stick with it through thick or thin and see what happens.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They get halfway through the season and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Then they flip it and they make the decision what would the record have to look like?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They did it last year.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Well, last year they banged up last year.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They pulled him last year for Andy Dalton. They sat him down.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Did they?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They sat him down, let Annie Dalton come in and then they brought him back in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's a mess.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Let me see there. The thing is to your point though, they're approaching the halfway point of the season effective after this game. So after this game, I mean after this game you'll be two. You have two more weeks towards trade deadline and then trade down line is basically mid season. So that's what I mean. Like so if the Cowboys getting closer, if the Cowboys can halve, they go off on him like they did Justin Fields. Then if you're the Panthers, you're really starting to have that conversation. But I just. It all goes back to what everybody is saying on this panel which is Bryce Young. He panics easily. He doesn't have the offensive line protection. Yeah, we love to give Rico rightfully his roses for the 200 yard game but the Dolphins have one of the worst run defenses in the league. Also keep in mind it took that game from Rico Dowdle for his, his numbers to look respectable because even after that game per next gen stats, his first downs over expectation even after that game is 0. 0. Yeah, his, his yards after contact even after a 206 yard game is 1.3. So this is telling me a couple things. Number one, that game being a massive, massive outlier in and of itself. If you take that game and you roll it into every other game, put it in a pot, he's not able to get going. And then when you on him this season, when you get hands on him, he's probably going down easier than he did in a Cowboys uniform. And if so we love you Rico. But again one of those things is still not like this is still Rico.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't know because this week a lot of this was in large part in due to the fact that the they're playing the Dolphins and if we're using the jets as an excuse to how well we played last week, they played the Dolphins. A broken team whose confidence level is. I've got your picture. I'm coming with you. It's an all time low. All right. It's not good. They're a broken team.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

There you go.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I did that one for you, buddy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thank you.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Dallas is right there with statistically.

[Chris Beam]

All right, when we come back it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is time for a little bit of lab coat with Patrick. No see Walker, Patrick, what we got.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Today we are going to talk about this defense. We're sitting here talking about the defense. Let's talk more about this defense. Let's talk about some advanced metrics from what they did against the jets and let's see if they can replicate that against Rico.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, when we come back with more talking Cowboys.

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[Isaiah Stanbach]

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[Patrick Nosy Walker]

My homework and the dishwasher's unloaded. Nice. Hey, can you. Hey, hon.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, I've got the finale ready to play.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Here's your wine. Wow.

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Back to talking cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Back here on talking cowboys alongside Pennsylvania Patrick Nosy Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stamback, Chris Beam in the back. We are brought to you by Black Rifle coffee company, the official coffee of the Dallas Cowboys. I'm Kyle Yeomans.

[Chris Beam]

It is time for some, yes, science.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Time for lab coat. So this morning after we wrap this the best cowboys podcast on the planet on the.com you will see this week's edition of Science Lab who's posted by my guy. So I'm going to give you guys some key stats, some key science from the upcoming science lab that'll drop in a couple hours. But you have to promise me that you're still going to read it. But you're going to read it. I know you are because I flesh everything out there. So let's talk about it. We talked about Rico, obviously. Cowboys, you know, interior defensive line versus Rico. Let's. Let's go back to this Bryce Young conversation, though. Okay, so we talked about Bryce Young being easily panicked. Let's talk about what the Cowboys were able to do against Justin Fields. And these are pertinent next gen stats. The Cowboys defense recorded a pressure rate of 51, give or take, against the jets, the highest this season. That is sensational. Dallas averaged only 2.32 seconds to generate that pressure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How long?

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

2.32 seconds.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's not very long.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

It's crazy.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Whoa.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

It's over. Yeah. One, two.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You tackled.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

That was the fastest this season for the Cowboys defense. Cowboys had 12. 12. How many 12 separate defenders who recorded at least one pressure in that game against the Jets?

[Kyle Yeomans]

12 out of how many total?

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Out of 14. Whoa.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

How many wives do you have, buddy?

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

12. 12. 12. All of that to say holy moly. And I'll add this little tidbit, especially for those that are wondering, is, is 2.32 seconds really fast? Yes, it's fast. And also the average time to throw to this point for Bryce Young has been 2.75 seconds. Okay, so if the Cowboys can replicate and get to Bryce Young with near nearly half a second faster than he's already used to seeing and he's panicking at two and a quarter seconds. You see where this is going?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I see what you're doing there.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Yeah. So if the Cowboys defense can show up against Bryce the way they showed up against Justin Fields, then this game will be well out of hand. At half to, we have Kyle Yeomans with a question.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I have a question. Yes, Kyle, what's the Confidence level that they can do that a second week in a row after they did not do that through the first four games.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

I feel confident because I feel like all it took was for it to happen so that they could have the confidence that they could do it. And now it's just about doing it again. Because through the first four weeks it was constantly. And I mean, analysts were on them as well. We were. And I'm sure they were hard on themselves also where it was like, okay, we're trying to get this, we're trying to get this, we're trying to get this. But it's not until you have that breakthrough and then you have that breakthrough and you like, oh, I can do this.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You think it was the first domino to fall?

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Exactly. I think I can do.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It's kind of like trying to form a mile.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Just like sex come in bunches.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What is. Wait, hold on for the longest.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Nobody could break the four minute mile.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, and everybody could happen.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Then it happens. Right? So it's that. What is that ceiling? Once you break through that ceiling, like sex come in bunches, they couldn't get, you know, bunches of sex. What did they get last week? Five.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Five.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Right. So. So once you have the breakthrough moment, you tend to be able to replicate it more easily.

[Josh Rodriguez]

To play devil's advocate, come on, we're talking about Rico Dowell having a 200 yard game.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Do it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

An outlier, if you will. Was the pass rush last week an outlier for the Dallas Cowboys?

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

That is fair. Was it?

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm just being devil's advocate. I like that and I disagree with myself.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

I like that. But here's the. Here's the segue. Here's the rebuttal for that. The pass rush in and of itself hasn't necessarily been the issue for the Cowboys through the first four weeks. It's been the inability to get home. The pressures have been there, which is James Houston notwithstanding, They've not been able to get home. They didn't get home until week five. Rico Dowdle didn't produce at all until week five. That's the difference.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Dante Fowler got a lot of pressures.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

So that's the difference. When you talk about true outliers, the outlier for the Cowboys defense wasn't the pressure itself. They've been getting pressure for five weeks. The outlier was they finally got home. They finally kept contained on a mobile quarterback. Yeah, the outlier for Rico Dowdle was doing anything this season. And I respectfully, because I love Rico, but we're talking science here. Scientifically speaking, he did squat week one through four, and then week five, he had a career best game, which he deserves roses for. So the bigger question is, can Rico replicate science?

[Josh Rodriguez]

And seat belts got a crash.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

All I'm saying, check out science lab. This week's drops no later than 11am Central Time. Check that out.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Bunches of sacks.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Hold on. Be. Do that again.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What was that? I don't know what it is. Can't hear it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's a troll with glitter.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's a troll with glitter.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Troll bouncing out with glitter.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

You're.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You're welcome.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's unbelievable. Beamer, you are so good at your job. That's incredible. We love be a troll with Be. Troll with glitter.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

That's Isaiah. Welcome, Isaiah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're welcome, Isaiah. I can't wait for somebody to like, edit a video of that or like superimpose the face on a troll and then bounces off.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Somebody needs to go listen all these creative listeners, our fan fam out there. If you guys can go find a video in the first quarter of the Carolina game versus the Miami Dolphins where Bryce Young makes the handoff, comes out and sees the defensive end and goes, somebody please make that edit. I would love to see hilarious, but you can.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Speaking of mobile quarterbacks and Bryce Young and the fact that Dallas was able to get home against Justin Fields, part of why they were able to have the five sacks was because the bunches of sacks is because Justin Fields stayed in the pocket. He did not use his legs the.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Way that he probably should have. He tried.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He tried a couple times, but for the most part, he was pretty stagnant in the pocket.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What do you expect out of Bryce Young in that case this week? Do you expect him to use his legs or to get hit by like a troll?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I expect them to have whatever quick game, quick passing game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I expect to come out.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I expect the ball to get out of his hands within that two seconds. I expect them versus. Especially versus his own defense that we typically run too high shell where We've been playing 5, 6, 7 yards off for whatever reason. I expect them to use that to their advantage. They run a lot of mirrored route concepts that we're. We should be very familiar with.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What is a re. Mirrored route concept?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So if I have double slants on one side, if I have double slants on the other side, if I, I, you know, if I have, you know, quick outs, there's. There's a lot of times when you watch the film where you'll see outside receiver has A five yard out, inside receiver has a five yard out. So if you're playing a too high shell that corners rolled up okay. So that outside out you might convert to a go route and the inside receiver would just hitch up and take the quick 4 or 5 yard high precision pass. They'll use that as their running game. Um, they'll use that as high precision passes to build up the confidence and to keep the chains moving. I don't foresee them doing a bunch of of deep shots even though they're going to because that's what their receivers thrive at. But versus the type of coverage that Dallas typically has, I think that's going to be more difficult for them especially with the offensive line that they have. And if we're able to to build upon a pass rush that we had.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Last week and as you alluded to in the first segment you're talking about how the Dallas defense would rely and they would benefit from using their zone concepts which they've done. The reason they wouldn't have success is if the pass rush doesn't get there if they're not getting correct.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So it's a, it's the.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

If the far defense double edged sword instant grits ye. If you don't get home and you allow, you know obviously you allow him to have time his these big receivers he's going to give it, he's going to give them opportunity. Right? 18 yards, 18, 20 yard range. Those guys are going to be across the middle of the field. Those guys are going to be. They know they do a really good job of running corner routes versus two high shells and he understands the con conceptually he understands it. Bryce Young does. I think he's a smart quarterback. He just hasn't been a productive quarterback.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

I think you also need to adding to the fact of the equation, I should say personnel because one year Thomas was one of the key reasons that Justin Fields when he was able to try to break contain. For example there was that instance where like I said yesterday, one year played just deep enough to delete the middle crosser but just shallow enough to keep him keep Justin Fields from racing to the pylon Wanye Thomas's speed is on the field and then Donovan Wilson if he misses you're going to have Marquis Bell on the field as well. So factor personnel into this equation as well.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

And Maris does a really good job of being underneath coverage as well.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Hawaiian Punch he doesn't. We convinced Maris, Leopold, Nicole and I convinced Marisley Afow to rubber stamp the Hawaiian Punch Nickname yesterday, did you give credit? Oh, I. I didn't. I couldn't remember who it came from, but I will say Social. Social. Hold on, hold on. Credit to Kyle Yeomans. Social came to me yesterday after they saw my tweet about us getting him to. To rubber stamp it, and they were like, oh, that was so great. Like, where'd you get that from? I was like, I don't remember, but I'm not taking credit for it. Like, you can ask Social. I was like, I can't take credit for it, but I can't remember.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Somebody go, officially, Kyle Yeoman.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

All of our. I will. I will make sure this is a request on Twitter.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, so that they can be your own people sometimes. No, it'd be your own people.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Yeah, he does. I literally told Social I heard him.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Trying to accept her. Speed. Speed. His thing. You know what I mean? Like, this guy's just all of our.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

All of our fans.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's a Liam Cohen science dealer.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Jones, you and tweets right now, please. Our tweet. X. I don't know what you call it now. Anyways, go out there and act X on X and post it, please say Ky.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

I got you.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No jelly.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

I got you is responsible. Y' all are going to make for the Hawaiian Punt. Y' all gonna make me pull a Jerry and mistake my thumb for a different.

[Chris Beam]

No, no.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Oh, no.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Wow. I literally told them I can't accept credit, but I couldn't remember where it came from.

[Chris Beam]

At least you didn't accept credit.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

I never accept credit for something that I didn't come up with. Not ever, ever, ever, ever. So credit to Kyle Yeomans for the fantastic nickname. The follow through was. We were able to get him to agree to it. So officially, he is Hawaiian Punch. So when you see that nickname start popping up on Cowboy, Social media started with Kyle Yeomans on the first word. Negotiated by. Yeah, Kyle Yeomans on the first word.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It's time stamp.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was either first word or OT it was one of.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It was minutes after one of our five postgame shows. Thanks, guys.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Legit. So Kyle Yeomans put the offer on the table. Nicole Hutchinson and I negotiated the deal, and then.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm glad you negotiated. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Now, it's funny. You were going to go upstairs, you're going to be like, oh, Kyle came up with it.

[Chris Beam]

And everybody's going to be like, what.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A stupid nickname, man.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Look at this. Kyle Gregory Hutch, you're not paying attention, Greg. I just told you I refused credit. I just told you that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Are they.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Are they.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

No. He's wild for trying to take trying. All I'm taking credit for is getting him to agree to it.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Hey, they. They hear you, but they're not listening.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

They're not. They're not.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They're not listening you.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

They can hear you, but they're not listening.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, man. Tomorrow we will have our say it with you chest.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You dog.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, I'm gonna save my stat of the week to tomorrow.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm gonna talk about it a little bit.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The next loaded Friday episode.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's gonna be a Friday episode. The first segment will be news and notes, followed by ky stat of the week. And then we'll have.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Here we go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Get your popcorn ready. I didn't hear you. I don't be next only on Friday. I don't hear you. I don't want to hear that.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Be next only. I gotta say it with our chest. That's right. You let that taco meat out.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Oh, dear.

[Chris Beam]

Maria. All right, we'll be back tomorrow for Patrick Noi Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Stand back.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Chris.

[Chris Beam]

Be in the back. Thanks for joining us here on this Thursday edition of Talking Cowboys.

[Patrick Nosy Walker]

Button up your shirt.

[Chris Beam]

I'll see you tomorrow with more.

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[Patrick Nosy Walker]

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