Talkin’ Cowboys: Nine Problems

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: Nine Problems

Podcast: Talkin’ Cowboys
Date: December 11, 2025
Episode Theme: In “Nine Problems,” the crew breaks down the Dallas Cowboys’ matchup against the Minnesota Vikings, with a major focus on the Vikings’ quarterback situation (“Nine” is a tongue-in-cheek reference to rookie QB J.J. McCarthy’s struggles), injury news, and a granular look at how the Cowboys defense matches up with a dangerous but inconsistent Minnesota skill group. The episode is marked by a lively, humorous tone, detailed analysis, and plenty of banter.

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Main Discussion Themes

• Previewing Cowboys vs. Vikings
• J.J. McCarthy (“Nine”) Analysis
• Cowboys and Vikings Injury Updates
• Minnesota Offensive Skill Position Threats
• Defensive Game Plan Strategies
• Playoff Path for Dallas

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Detailed Episode Breakdown

1. Setting the Stage & Injury Updates

(05:38 – 13:53)

• Cowboys Injury Report
  • Tyler Guyton (OT): Trending in the right direction despite missing practice. (06:00)
  • Malik Hooker (S): Missed practice for personal reasons, not injury.
  • Good news: Jadeveon Clowney and CeeDee Lamb returned to practice. Lamb is still in concussion protocol but “looked good” in drills.
    • “The eye test looked good on CeeDee Lamb yesterday. He was participating... in good spirits... I expect he will take the field against the Minnesota Vikings.” — Patrick Nosi Walker (08:08)
  • Sivoane Revel (LB): Dealing with knee soreness after practice, expected to manage rep count.
• Vikings Injury Report
  • Christian Darrisaw (OT) and T.J. Hockenson (TE) both missed practice. Hockenson’s “shin” injury draws jokes about oddly specific injury designations.

Notable Quotes

• “If you had a dodgeball game tonight, would you feel comfortable picking up CeeDee Lamb and playing tonight?” — Isaiah Stanback (09:20)
• “Shin injury? Have you ever heard of shin being on an injury report?” — Kyle Yeomans (10:57)

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2. J.J. McCarthy (“Nine”) and the Vikings Passing Game

(13:57 – 25:50)

• Statistical Woes
  • J.J. McCarthy (nicknamed “Nine”): The only current start-qualifying NFL QB with more interceptions (10) than touchdowns (9).
    • “Would you like to take a guess on who that is?”... “Nine.” — Patrick Nosi Walker (14:21)
  • The McCarthy-to-Jefferson connection ranks LAST among qualifying QB-WR duos (quarterback rating of 45; closest is 54).
    • “The combo of JJ McCarthy and Justin Jefferson rank dead last in passer rating.” — Kyle Yeomans (15:11)
• Causes of Struggle
  • “Inconsistency, lack of chemistry between McCarthy and Justin Jefferson, with Jefferson posting career-low numbers”
    — Josh Rodriguez (14:38)
  • Multiple hosts note that while Jefferson is elite, McCarthy holds him back.
  • Despite an offensive system they praise as “immaculate” (19:12), McCarthy’s lack of arm strength, ball placement, and velocity limits the offense.
• Danger of ‘Get Right’ Opponent
  • The Cowboys defense has, at times, been a “get right” unit for struggling offenses—a risk for a potential outlier McCarthy game:
    • “The Cowboys defense so far this season has been a get right game for a lot of offenses. And I don't want that to start clicking.” — Josh Rodriguez (16:57)
• Should the Cowboys Blitz?
  • Counterintuitively, McCarthy performs worse the longer he holds the ball. Dallas should consider NOT blitzing, dropping 7+ into coverage.
    • “Defenses are opting to not blitz J.J. McCarthy this season... when they do that, J.J. McCarthy has the lowest completion rate in the entire NFL at 56%.” — Patrick Nosi Walker (24:44)
  • “If you leave him alone... he'll throw you the ball.” — Patrick Nosi Walker (25:41)

Notable Quotes

• “He's actually consistently bad.” — Patrick Nosi Walker (17:17)
• “He has an inverse relationship! The more time he has back there, the less likely he makes the completion.” — Patrick Nosi Walker (23:43)

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3. Minnesota's Skill Position Weapons: A Real Test

(32:17 – 41:26)

• Top-3 NFL Skill Group Without the QB
  • Wide Receivers: Justin Jefferson (“arguably best in the game”), Jordan Addison (“really good”), Jalen Nailor (dangerous YAC threat).
  • Tight End: T.J. Hockenson (“tried and true”)
  • Running Backs: Aaron Jones (“always a problem for Dallas”), Jordan Mason.
  • Fullback: C.J. Ham (“physical as heck... will hit your face mask off”)
• The hosts agree Minnesota has “top-3” offensive skill positions the Cowboys will face this season, with Philly and Detroit the other top units.
  • *“Is this in the top three of the most well rounded offensive skill positions we face this year?” — Isaiah Stanback
  • “Top three. Yes.” — Patrick Nosi Walker (39:13)
• Coaching Praise
  • Kevin O’Connell (“freaking dude, heck of a coach”), paired with DC Brian Flores, draws admiration as one of the NFL’s best all-around play-callers/leaders.
    • “Those guys are good at both [leadership and X’s and O’s]. I think Kevin O’Connell does that. This would be a 10-win team if they had a quarterback.” — Kyle Yeomans (35:42)

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4. Defensive Gameplan vs. Vikings

(37:00 – 41:26)

• Strategy: Drop Seven, Four-Man Rush
  • Play coverage, don’t blitz unless McCarthy starts to get comfortable or effective.
    • “Tell your front four get pressure, just get pressure organically... Film scouting numbers say that McCarthy will blow this game.” — Patrick Nosi Walker (37:42)
  • If McCarthy unexpectedly makes plays, then increase pressure:
    • “If he bucks that [trend]... then you send the blitz because you need to do whatever you need to knock him off his spot.” — Patrick Nosi Walker (36:41)
• Aaron Jones as X-Factor
  • Jones’ history of big games against Dallas is a source of concern.
    • “Until you figure out a way to stop letting Aaron Jones come into AT&T Stadium and... look like Eric Dickerson every single time...” — Patrick Nosi Walker (40:55)
• Call for Improvement
  • Defensive line, especially Quinnen Williams, Osa Odighizuwa, Kenny Clark, need a bounce-back after the previous week’s poor showing.

Notable Quotes

• “If you're going to have [Logan Wilson] take the majority of the snaps... This is the game to do it.” — Josh Rodriguez (38:34)
• “Cowboys defense has been a get right game—so if McCarthy goes out there in the first quarter… flip the script.” — Patrick Nosi Walker (38:10)

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5. Lab Coat Segment: Playoff Odds and Scenarios

(46:27 – 50:51)

• The Path Is Narrow
  • “Cowboys have to win out—no margin for error,” plus need the Eagles to lose at least 2 of their last 4 (Raiders, Commanders twice, Bills).
    • If the Eagles lose 2, Dallas can win the division; if not, focus shifts to wildcard, requiring a Bears collapse (Bears need to lose 3/4).
    • Complications and variance in playoff odds models discussed (ESPN and NFL model discrepancies).
  • “If you don't [win out], nothing I'm about to say matters.” — Patrick Nosi Walker (47:01)
• Hope for a Raiders Win Over the Eagles
  • The emotional tone and atmosphere if Philly slips, setting up a high-stakes finish for Dallas.
    • “Could you imagine the scene at AT&T Stadium… if the Raiders… upset Philadelphia?” — Kyle Yeomans (50:51)

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6. Notable Banter, Humor, and Misc. Moments

• Running From Dogs Tales (05:01): Panelists share stories about escaping from dogs, keeping the tone light (“Have you ever like ran away from a dog?”).
• Basketball Digression (30:16): Brief but amusing debate about Glenn Rice and what team pops to mind for Shaquille O’Neal.
• Fullback Praise & Subtle Cowboys Jab (34:09): Isaiah Stanback: “If you have a fullback, might as well use them for fullback things.”
• “Lab Coat” Fluster: Panel rushed to the science portion, jokes about drops and timing (“Lab coat coming up a little bit later as well!” — 25:50).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 05:38 – Cowboys/Vikings Injury Reports
• 13:57 – J.J. McCarthy struggles; “Nine” nickname origin
• 16:04 – McCarthy to Jefferson is the NFL’s worst-rated WR/QB combo
• 19:12 – Kevin O’Connell’s offensive scheme
• 23:43 – Why not blitz J.J. McCarthy?
• 32:17 – Evaluating Minnesota’s skill group threats
• 37:42 – Defensive game plan: coverage vs. blitz
• 39:13 – Are the Vikings “Top 3” skill group faced this year?
• 46:27 – “Lab Coat” Playoff scenario breakdown

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Memorable Quotes

• Patrick Nosi Walker (22:36):
  “I would not blitz J.J. McCarthy… the Vikings do want to get the ball out of his hands quickly. This is one of the weird instances where I'm completely fine with not sending a plus one… The more time he has in the pocket, the less likely he's going to make the completion.”

• Patrick Nosi Walker (25:41):
  “The film and the stats, the scouting report on JJ McCarthy is if you leave him alone… he'll throw you the ball.”

• Isaiah Stanback (19:12):
  “Kevin O’Connell, when I turn on his film, his offense is nice… the pass concepts are immaculate.”

• Kyle Yeomans (35:42):
  “This would be a 10-win team if they had a quarterback.”

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Tone & Takeaways

The conversation is analytical, witty, and self-aware, mixing detailed football data with frequent diversions and inside jokes. The recurring “Nine/None” theme serves both as an evaluation of Minnesota’s current quarterback issues and a running comedic motif.

Key Takeaway:
The Cowboys face a top-tier supporting cast in Minnesota—on paper an elite challenge—with an outlier of a weak quarterback (“Nine”). Defensive strategy should be coverage-heavy, not blitz-heavy, and Dallas’s playoff hopes, while slim, hinge on perfection and NFC chaos down the stretch.

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Transcript

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[Kyle Yeomans]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the Star in Frisco CD Lamb touchdown. It's on.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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And now your hosts, Isaiah Stanbach, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans.

It's a Thursday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle coffee company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas and the SWBC studio. Welcome in, everybody. We've got Patrick Nosi Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stamback, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yomit. So glad you're with us today.

[Isaiah Stanback]

We're calibrated today.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What was that?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Your pointing was calibrated today.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thank you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I appreciate it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Been working on it. I love Patrick's shirt, too. Always repping 94 as always.

[Isaiah Stanback]

He's trying to get a discount somewhere. The hat.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like a black Rifle coffee location on game, possibly 10%. 10% off your entire order.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Rock one of these.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's go ahead and just get that.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, Yeah, a little bit. You as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I am.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I am sorry.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I have my pasties on. Sorry.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I was in 9 mode at the beginning of the episode. I don't know if you guys saw that.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Find these at your local pro shop.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What is nine months?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

The pasties.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Jason McCarthy.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I think not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, is that a.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Is that otherwise known as stickers? Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hold on, guys. I want to hear this.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What the heck is nine mode?

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's. Okay. That's J.J. mcCarthy's Persona.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, is that like, when he's, like, real dramatic at the beginning of the game and he's, like, meditating at the goal post and he's got his eyes closed and his headphones.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And then also in the post game when he's, like, amped up and he's, like, doing the whole thing with it?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah, he was.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

What?

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's amped up? Yeah, he's doing that thing. Have you not seen That I have not seen that.

[Isaiah Stanback]

One more time. One more time just for the clip.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's what he does. Oh, jj, you guys aren't on Twitter.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's a rookie.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah, you're right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm not clip it.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I don't think that coming to plastemia at all.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, you're on Twitter.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Well, I know he's seen it.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I still haven't seen it.

[Isaiah Stanback]

All I saw was quagmire.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Giggity, giggity. That's what he's doing. Dude, I swear. If you think I'm joking.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's so cringy. I am. I'm going to look it up. I think I 1. I've got to see what you're talking about on the post game stuff, but man, he's. He's not had a good enough year to have a Persona, everybody.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He calls it nine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's terrible. Like. Like 11. Like stranger things or what are we talking about?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

No, don't compare him to the greatness of 11.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, I know.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

But even eight or one can't tell him a stranger thing.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Hold on, Josh. Three, two, one. It's 904. We could talk football now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, stop it. This is. This is the nine Persona that we're looking at.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, this is nine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, it's just like hype video. Yeah, he's just on top of it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, no, just the very beginning.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, okay, I got you.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah. He looks like an actor. I can't remember who the actor is.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I didn't know that there was a. A name attached to that nine.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Be careful, guys. We're previewing nine today.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We are gonna preview the Vikings.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It doesn't in the cowboy, nine means none, right? Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That's more accurate than what he's producing for the Vikings. Speak to my dog nine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What was that?

[Isaiah Stanback]

I speak to my.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Nothing German. Do you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What do you say in German to your dogs?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Nine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's it.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Wait, you have German shepherds?

[Isaiah Stanback]

No.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So then Rottweilers. Yeah. Why are you talking to your non German German dogs? Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They don't understand there's such thing as a German Rottweiler.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah. This is a genuine question. Yeah. I did not know that. Yeah, just rottweilers that happened to be from Germany.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's like a whole thing like Germany and Rottweilers, like your.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I mean, you saying it meekly doesn't change the fact that I was unaware.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I thought it was Doberman's Roddies. Okay, interesting. Okay, just tough dogs. Big boys, big dogs.

[Isaiah Stanback]

£140 140 solid only Rottweilers I know from the hood. Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

They ain't from Germany.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, you don't want to mess with them.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You don't. Those are ones that have.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Those ones are a lot cheaper.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Those are ones, I can tell you.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That they're not imported.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

But those are the ones that have you jumping on top of cars.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Have you ever like ran away from a dog?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Multiple times.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You become an instant truck.

[Kyle Yeomans]

One of them was a pitbull. I remember that. That was the, like, the scarring one was back whenever I was. I was probably eight or nine.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Got away, though.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I did get away. I got. Jumped a chain link fence and got away from it. And even then I was like, not.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Did you use hands?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Barely cow's legs to the ovals that you see from like the Road Runner. Yeah, Road Runners running.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I feel like Beamers ran from a couple of dogs before.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Meet me Pierron.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You can see Beamer getting.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't know. I see a dog and I.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

The dogs run from Beamer.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, let's get into news and notes, Pat.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yes, absolutely. So we have the first injury report of the week. Cowboys delivered to us after they had their first pregnancy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Was there good news or bad news?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Not bad news. Not unexpected. I had to think for a second because Tyler Guyton, he's trending in the right direction, but he didn't practice yesterday.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That doesn't seem.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And don't say the two numbers while I'm doing this. Please don't.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But actions speak louder than words.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, basically. So he was off to the side with Brit Brown doing rehab work yesterday. So I said, please don't say the numbers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We didn't say 6, 0.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Okay.

Can't work under these circumstances. But no, he was off to the side doing rehab work with Brit Brown and Jack Sam Born. So we'll see if Tyler Guy can get in practice today. If he doesn't practice today, then I'm concerned about, you know, his availability against the Vikings. But going into yesterday's practice, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, Brian Schottenheimer, they all sounded optimistic about his chances. So put a pin in that one. That's why I paused because I don't know if they're just giving him another day or if there's actually something here that could, you know, turn his needle in the wrong direction. Don't know. We'll see.

[Isaiah Stanback]

How often do you think Brit Brown has to change out those bands?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That's a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Every couple years, probably.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

It's A question.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't think it needs to be like a yearly thing.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's definitely more frequent than that.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You think?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, those are high quality.

[Isaiah Stanback]

They are high quality. That'd be your. Ask that question next time you see them.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Just ask Rip Brown if.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah. How frequently do you have to change.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Your bank and dance?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'll.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'll see.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'll see what we can figure out on that one. I feel like that's an easy. Like two years is probably what I would think.

[Isaiah Stanback]

What if he's never changed them? Maybe.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Maybe so. It's quality equipment.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Switch out the band.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They don't pay. They don't pay. The truth or the the. For the cheap ones they don't pay for. Just like the ones you get at Walmart.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

They don't cheap.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I feel like those are the same exact bands for the last 30 years.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Maybe the bands are different here.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

They don't cheap out. All right. So the only other player who did not participate in practice was Malik Hooker. But that was not injury related. That was due to a personal reason. I'll check to see if he's expected to be back today. But again, good news is. Is injury issue. Hopefully everything's fine on the personal front.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And he can get back to practice this week. Other than those two guys, everyone else practiced in some capacity. Here's the good news. Jadevion Clowney was back at practice.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yes, Scott.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Golf clap. I like those words.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There you go.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yes.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

This is going to give you a little bit more. More of a golf clap, if not a little bit more. CD Lamb was back at practice.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yes. Dread heads are back.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I like this report.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Dread heads are back.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

CD Lamb, he is still in concussion protocol at the moment. He is passing the benchmarks. Brian Schottenheimer said that he only had, quote unquote, one or two more benchmarks to pass in order to clear concussion protocol. I can tell you the eye test yesterday looked good on CD lam. The eye test looked good on CD lam. Yesterday. He was participating in the individual drills portion of practice during media availability. He was running at full speed. He was in good spirits. He was kind of bopping to the music. He was high fiving coaches and players. So looks like CD Lamb is exactly where he needs to be. So as long as he can clear this final benchmark or two, I expect that he will take the field against the Minnesota Vikings. So that is absolutely huge. So.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So that's. You're reporting that he will be on the field? Is that what you just said?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'm reporting that if he clears the final one or two benchmarks, then he will be on the field. And I'm also reporting that he looked good yesterday in moving around and his good spirits and going full speed through his routes. Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

If you had a dodgeball game tonight, would you feel comfortable picking up CD Lamb and playing tonight?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

No dodgeball because somebody might throw a wrench at it. If you can dodge a wrench. If you caught the reference, you caught the reference. Those are the good. That's the good news. Should even Clowny back at practice. It was a limited capacity, but back at practice nonetheless, he's trending in the right direction. CD Lamb still in concussion protocol, but full speed and individual drills. He is trending toward playing as well. He just needs to clear protocol in order to do so. Sivone Revel. He was limited in practice. Practice yesterday. Something I keep an eye on. I spoke with Sivone yesterday in the locker room after practice and he said he's just dealing with some soreness. He told me that he. I don't. I didn't catch this in film. He said that he banged his knee on the, on the turf in Detroit making one of those tackles. So. Yeah, so he said he's just dealing with a little bit of soreness there, which is why he was limited yesterday. So not to say that he won't play, but keep an eye on that because it feels like if he does, maybe that answers the question yesterday as far as like they kind of scale back on the. The rep count on him. So we'll see.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

But just draw a circle around that and that's. That's something to watch. Now from a Minnesota Vikings injury report, two notables did not practice yesterday for the Minnesota Vikings. One being offensive tackle Christian Dasal, dealing with a knee issue. Something to keep an eye on. And TJ Hawkinson, kind of a big. Kind of a big deal.

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Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Dealing with a shin injury. He did not participate yesterday. I either. So from Minnesota report shin.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Shin.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Shin injury.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Usually they would just put like a leg or a lower body or something.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Like I've ever heard of shin being on a.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That's quite. It is quite specific. Now that you mentioned shin splints suck. I've never.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Maybe that's what never worn them.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Never had. Bro.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Try to jog one time.

[Colin Coward]

Bro.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Immediate.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Terrible. I'm good. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Me and my sister have gone through those a couple times.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Volleyball.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm actually Disney adult syndrome, by the way.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I tell you. I walk around Disney adult city.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I've not seen that. It's like people going to Disney for the first time that, like, are really into it. They're having trouble walking around. God. Nevermind. Maybe not go there.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I tell you what, as much track as I ran in yesterday, bro, I was actually blessed to have never suffered shin splints.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Really?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I've had ankles.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That's how I know that you ran on good tracks. See, we ran on. We ran on concrete with dirt thrown over the top of me. Everybody had shin splits.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I would like anyone in the chat that happens to be from the west side of Savannah, Georgia, to chime in on Isaiah's allegation.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You guys have never ran a little elm track. Okay, guys, now, now, I don't believe.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That you actually ran track. Now I think you're. Now I think you're just making.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Our track was so bad, if it rained, you would have thought we were running a steeple race, bro.

That's how much water I ran track. So much water was on our track.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

But no, seriously, I don't know if it's just preparation because really, I don't know. I know shin splints is. Is a. Is an impact.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I've been on your old track.

[Isaiah Stanback]

No, no, no, no. Beamers. That's the new version, bro. Yeah, yeah. Beamer's been there, but I was there. Yeah, you were there, but that is new. That is freaking amazing. Before, bro, it was straight concrete jungle.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Okay, so then, you know, just like back when. Yeah, right between practices, when you're at home, when you're on the block, you kick. Yeah. Corner to corner. Barefoot.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

On the street. Yeah. And all of that. And I still was blessed to not have shin splints. Now, I will say I had plenty of other impact injuries. Ankles, knees. That's why I have at least one bad knee right now. But shin splints. Never had them, never want them. But I heard the horror stories. You can have that. You can have that, bro.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love how we got to this off of talking about.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, we're not. We're not saying TJ Hawkins.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's like we back in West Georgia.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

We're not saying he has shins.

[Isaiah Stanback]

All that we know is that his shin is on the injury report.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

His shin is on the injury report. So keep an eye on that because T.J. hawkinson is dealing with something. So even if he can go, he'll be less than 100%. But Cowboys fans probably don't subscribe too much to that because didn't Jamir Gibbs just. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So the Monroe Brown.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Oh yeah, yeah. So. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Melvin says they need to be investigated. The Lions do. St. Brown wasn't injured at all.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Or your linebackers, I mean it's usually the opposite. It's usually the opposite.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Or you play 85% of the time. Yeah. Or you just let him cook.

[Isaiah Stanback]

This is a five o', clock so.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, there you go. News and notes injury report for both teams.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That's good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's preview the Cowboys defense going up against the Minnesota offense and what they've done today or going into this week rather. There's one quarterback in the NFL right now that is registered and above the threshold of, of being considered in the statistical categories. Right. That has more interceptions than he does touchdowns. Would you like to take a guess on who that is?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Nine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And you know, you know how many passing touchdowns he's had this year?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Nine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know how many interceptions more than nine? Ten. He's had. He's had 10 interceptions. What have you seen from J.J. mcCarthy this season?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh my goodness. Inconsistency. I mean you saw a guy that's full of confidence early on in the season. Uh, but that kind of dropped off pretty quickly after that Monday night opener. I guess for them.

At Least for me, JJ McCarthy is not what they wanted him to be. He has no chemistry at all with JJ over there. JJ and JJ are not having their chemistry. Like that big fact that Kyle put up yesterday on the dot com.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Should I read that big fact?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Please.

[Kyle Yeomans]

From yesterday.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It is Isaiah on the dot com.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's pretty wild.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It is on the.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Thank you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Appreciate it. Yeah. I said JJ to JJ just isn't working out of the quarterback to wide receiver duos this season. With at least 40 targets, the combo of JJ McCarthy and Justin Jefferson rank dead last in passer rating.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

What was the.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The. The name of the. The last guy you just named Justin Jefferson.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Ah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And the. Really bad so far, right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, he hasn't. I mean he's putting up career low numbers in every major category but he's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Always had a consist quarterback that has given him the numbers that he's had so far in his career. Right.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Pretty much doesn't matter who up until now.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Huh.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Night.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean he had Sam Darnold last year which was kind of a crazy luck thing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. Yeah. Of course.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And then before that it was. It was Kirk Cousins. Yeah, you're right. Probably not luck, but people didn't expect Sam Darnold, let me say unexpected surprise.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Run that one back.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's a bit of a Surprise.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, Mr. Seattle, chill out, dog. I know you got 10 wins. Chill out. But when it comes to JJ, to JJ, 45 passer rating when he is being targeted this year, out of 98 duos that have at least 40 targets dead last, the next closest one, next lowest, I guess I should say, is Geno Smith to Jacoby. And speaking of Seattle, Geno Smith to Jacobi Myers with the Raiders, and they had a 54.1. So it's like a considerable gap in between how bad J.J. mcCarthy has been while throwing the football to Justin Jefferson.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I mean, that clearly indicates that Justin Jefferson has regressed in some way. Right?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He's washed.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Washed, possibly.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I think that's what, that's what the kids nowadays would say, this is scary.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You're gonna say, by the way, I'm joking. Justin Jefferson is.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That dude is a monster.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But, and I say at the quarterback, I say all of that in the same context of this is the Dallas Cowboys defense so far this season has been a get right game for a lot of offenses. And I don't want that to start clicking. I don't want nine to start coming out out of nowhere.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Gross.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't want to see it.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I don't see. I.

I'm concerned about Justin Jefferson. I'm not concerned about JJ McCarthy because when you look at number one, availability has been an issue for him. But now that he's available for them, like you said, inconsistency. But he's actually consistently bad. You know what I mean? So even in the 31 points that they hung on the Washington Commanders last week, yeah, J.J. mcCarthy, he had three touchdowns. But go back and look at that stat line. As far as his passing yards, I don't think he broke 200 passing yards in that game, if I'm not mistaken.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Probably not.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So where you go?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I got it right here.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You got it?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. He had 163.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

There you go. Didn't even sniff 200 passing yards.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So you see that they only threw it 23 times. It's not like they're giving him the keys to the car.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Nor should they. Because something I referenced yesterday on the back end of QB vision was that in the losses, the defense for the Vikings are still holding teams to less than 26 points a game. You should be winning those games most of those games anyway. But each one of those games are losses because McCarthy and or whoever, whomever at the time was the quarterback. They've been averaging under 13 points a game. Offensively, that is a abysmal that, that's what.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Now listen.

Trash.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That's exactly what that is.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I can tell you who's not trash. You guys already mentioned one name.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Justin Jeff Jefferson.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You guys know who else is not trash?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, God.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He met Shinster.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like Jordan Addison.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Oh, I like him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think he's really, you know who.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah, all those guys are not trash, but Kevin OConnell is not trash.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Oh yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I thought he was the QB whisperer though.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He's.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I think he'll figure he's met his match.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Can't whisper to that.

Can't whisper to that. Listen, gotta get live.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Kevin o', Connell, when I turn on his film, his offense is nice.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Dude, I've always been a fan.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Hey, listen, his offense is nice. I'm talking about all aspects from formations to running to run game to the scheme. Running scheme. The past concepts are, are immaculate. Like this dude. If you. Like we saw last year what happens when you give him a quarterback that's capable and obviously you're seeing the opposite this year, but he is a freaking dude. Now, I know we don't typically talk about coaches. We typically talk about the. Glad you're going to see on the field.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

The man who's calling the plays.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think this is a well coached team.

[Isaiah Stanback]

He's a freaking dude.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah. The coaching is nothing.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because Flores on the defensive side does a Good job and O' Connell on the one on the.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's not Justin Jefferson.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

No.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's not T.J. hawkinson. It's not Aaron Jones.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Nope.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's not Jordan Addison. It's not Madison.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Nope.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's process of elimination.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Right.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I just named nine guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Close to.

[Josh Rodriguez]

About the nine that would have been a bar.

[Isaiah Stanback]

But so, so we say all that. At least I say all that to say if for whatever reason the, the light bulb comes on for him, it can get ugly because he has the weapons and he has a heck of a coach that's calling a great game plan. So yes, we're. At least I'm. I can stand for what I'm saying, like in terms of him not being very good so far in his career, it's not because of lack of talent around him. It's not for lack of coaching, it's not for lack of scheme, it's not for lack of protection. He just hasn't been good. So if he remotely like wakes up and takes some Tasman and clicks, even remotely it. Listen, this is a team that you better put some respect on because you're really just missing that one element. It's not like you're, oh, we suck there. We're kind of weak there, too. No, no, this is. This is like, if he figures it out, if they figure anything out with him, they can be really good offense.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What have they not figured out, though? What is it about his timing?

[Isaiah Stanback]

His timing is trash. His ball location is trash. His, you know, velocity is nowhere near. I saw it in college. I don't know what everybody was talking about coming into the league, but his velocity is not good at all.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And they're trying to take a step up in that regard because last week he had a career high or a career low in terms of time to throw. They're trying to get the ball out of his hands quick. So that way he makes. Even if he does make a mistake, it's a lesser of a mistake. It's not the downfield perceptions where he's. When you're lacking in velocity, you're giving me a segue. And that's.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what they're trying to do. They're trying to take the ability to make mistakes out of Mike or not Mike McCarthy, J.J. mcCarthy's hands. That's what they're trying to do.

[Isaiah Stanback]

So when you, when you have a lack of velocity, when you have a lack of accuracy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

The best thing to do is to stretch is quick passes. Right. Because that's the best way to increase your receiving percentage, increase your passing percentage. Like, those are the things that you can do to help out your quarterback. This isn't because he's receiving pressure. This is not. That's not the reason why they're making this change. Typically, coaches shorten up the routes, shorten up the scheme.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If your offensive line.

[Isaiah Stanback]

If your offensive line is not good. Right. Or. Or you just. Yeah, mainly if your offensive line is not good or they're not black, you know, blocking very well.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Or you're getting pressure. That's not the case.

[Josh Rodriguez]

All of those things.

[Isaiah Stanback]

All of those things. But hardly ever in this league do you ever see coaches make that adjustment to their scheme because their quarterback's inability to throw the ball beyond 15 yards and to throw the ball accurately.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I would not blitz J.J. mcCarthy.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I wouldn't either.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And I love that Kyle set this up for me. Okay. The Vikings do want to get the ball out of his hands quickly. This is one of the weird instances where I'm completely fine with not sending a plus one, especially if you get your Davion Clowney, get your pressure with your front four. But Kyle intimates something very clear Important when it comes to J. McCarthy, the more time he has in the pocket, the less likely he's going to make the completion. Yep.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yikes.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And that's not only backed up by film, but I just, I was curious so I looked it up on Next Gen Stand.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was also that way in Michigan too.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Agreed. Agreed. Don't talk about, sorry, Michigan. Do it. I almost went there. I'm not going.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I had to backpedal because.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, I'm not going there. But yeah, okay. So per Next Gen stats, three things jump out that support this point. As far as Mike McCarthy, the longer he has back there to make the throw, the more likely he's going to mess this up. Right. It's crazy. It was wild because typically it should be the other way around. You want to speed his clock up, but actually you want to slow his clock down because he's going to make a mistake.

[Isaiah Stanback]

He has an inverse relationship.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He really just does.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Next gen stats, JJ McCarthy has completed just 72% of his passes to open targets. An open target as defined by a receiver who has three or more yards of separate.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Oh brother.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Hit me with the sound. Oh brother, this guy stinks. So when a receiver has three or more. Oh brother, this guy stinks. He is only hitting them less than three quarters of the time. Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Dangerous territory right now.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I know. That's the lowest in the NFL last week, didn't he? Yeah, that's the lowest in the NFL ahead of only one other quarterback. Would you like to know who that quarterback was?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Gino Smith?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

No. Anthony Richardson.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, interesting. Wow.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Another stat that goes to the drive. Yeah. Cause God, that's awful.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, they did the same thing. They went and got Philip Rivers.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Oh yeah, he looks like he's been.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Sitting on the couch.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He has been sitting on the couch.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Defenses are opting to not blitz JJ McCarthy this season and they're allowing him to. And they're dropping back with seven or more defenders in coverage when they do that. J.J. mcCarthy has the lowest completion rate in the entire NFL at 56%.

[Isaiah Stanback]

So what you're saying is we need a one man rush and 56% and.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

The second and the second fewest yards per attempt at five and a half yards. This is the most upside down shouts out to stranger things. This is the most upside down thing I've seen in football in a long time.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

We're literally telling you that J.J. mcCarthy, if you allow him time to throw the ball, he'll mess it up. And. But if you, if you get on him quickly pressure wise, he might make the completion.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah, there's no season gonna be screaming from the press box.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Don't touch.

Leave him alone.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Prevent defense all game. Seriously, just prevent defense.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Just leave him alone. The film and the stats, the Scouting report on JJ McCarthy is if you leave him alone. Yeah, he'll throw you the ball.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's gonna give you a chance.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right. When we come back on Talking Cowboys, we're gonna talk about the rest of the weapons though, on the Minnesota side and then how Dallas matches up defensively. And don't worry, lab coat coming up a little bit later as well. More Talking Cowboys right after this.

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How's it going? You see that Cowboys game? Oh, I watched. Been seeing some good things. Totally. They have some talent.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yup.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Some great talent.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And they got some fight. Hoping this is the year. Me too. Oh, I'm Cody, by the way.

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Nice to meet you, Travis. Go Cowboys. Go Cowboys.

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Back to talking cowboys.

Back here on Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company. This segment is brought to you by Invisalign. The official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. Patrick.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Nosy Walker.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Josh Rodriguez.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Isaiah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Stand back, Chris. Hello in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Isaiah. Just because we brought him up in the last segment. You are 41, correct?

[Isaiah Stanback]

I am 41 years old. Nowitzki year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

There you go. What was the name? Rice. Three point shooter.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

No. Who?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, 41.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Rice.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Rice, yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Used to play for Miami Heat back in the day.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're talking about Allen. Ray Allen Rice?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I'm.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm gonna.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Maybe. Dirk. Maybe.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, let's just stick with.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's a good idea. I'm interested to see who you're talking about Glenn Rice. Oh, okay.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Glenn Rice. There you go.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Remember the first name?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You should have said Charlotte.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah, I remember Miami, Dad.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't know.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Are you kidding me?

[Rob Gronkowski]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Glenn Rice.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You type M's name on Google.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

The first Glenn Rice from Miami.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Glenn Rice, the first Miami Heat.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love how it's. It has his last season 3.7.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Glenn rice. Charlotte.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's like from 03.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Let's go with Dirk.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He goes, Dirk. He's like, you know what? Actually I'm going Glenn Rice.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I'm going Keon Hall.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'll give credit where credit is due, by the way. The entire chat is just spamming Glenn.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So look, they know Ball.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Melvin Allen, Keith, all of you guys.

[Josh Rodriguez]

James Bu fan.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

But you can. You can't. For you that nobody knows Glenn Rice.

[Isaiah Stanback]

From Miami, I would say my first.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thought would be Charlotte.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Charlotte.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That's where he made his career.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's okay.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That's Glenn Rice, grandmama.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stanback]

What Sha.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But those guys know Ball. I do.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Are you.

[Isaiah Stanback]

So you don't. You don't go back to. To Orlando?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Orlando Magic?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I don't know.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

LA is the Shack. You remember. Orlando is the Shack that brought.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Started it all.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That he. That's what made Shaq. But what made Shaq a Hall of Famer. Hold on, hold on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're saying. You're saying Shaq is who la.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He said, when you think of Shaq, what do you. What's the first thing you think of?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Kyle's like Phoenix.

You know.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

First thing you think of is LA.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think of him being a DJ.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Hey, Shaq, fool.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Talking Cowboys starts at 9. 31.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, continuing our. Our Cowboys defense versus the Minnesota offenses preview. Outside of JJ McCarthy, tell me a little bit about the others out there. Remember, you hear about. Speaking of basketball terms, you hear about the others that are there that are going to make a big impact on the game, on the game and on the team. Offensively, offensively, for them, I mean, they've got some dudes.

[Isaiah Stanback]

They got some dudes. Justin Jefferson, obviously arguably the best receiver in the game. Arguably. Because you have a guy here that's in that conversation as well. So does Cincinnati. Jordan Addison, really good. Jalen Naylor, really good. All three of their receivers, they have a solid receiving core.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Jalen Naylor, is that one of those guys against the Cowboys that typically is going to kill you, you know what I'm saying? Like one of those yak guys that it's like.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

How is he open? How Is he that wide open? He's gonna hurt you.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I really like their core.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Obviously.

[Isaiah Stanback]

They have three guys that I really, really trust, and they all present different problems.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

And then you go to the tight end, T.J. hawkinson. He's tried and true. Obviously, everybody knows that. He's a solid tight end. Like, when you think about tight ends, he's a. He's a real one. Block. He can stand there, he can block, he can run routes, he can post you up in the red zone. He does all the things. And Aaron Jones just continues to find a way to stay in the league.

[Josh Rodriguez]

A guy you don't want to see back at. AT&T Stadium.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, he always has my good.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Every time. Yeah, man.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know, he was a free agent.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We need to start him in fantasy.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He was a free agent.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Damn.

[Isaiah Stanback]

He was actually on Good Morning Football with us. He's good. That's a good dude. He's really cool guy. So he's a good dude. He's a good player. Jordan Mason, his backup.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You guys remember his time when he was in San Francisco? Really good. He took advantage of the opportunity. When McCaffrey went out, he stepped in, balled out, and then went and signed with Minnesota and found himself in another backup role. But he's a dude, even at the two second. Second on the depth chart. And then they're. Fullback.

[Josh Rodriguez]

C.J. ham.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Oh, he goes first of all, what. What a. What a last name for a fullback? Yeah, he just goes, ham, you about to go home.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But he.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You don't want to meet him. You do not want to meet him. He's the last guy that you want to meet when. When the hole opens up and you have to come downhill and try to try to go out there and hit somebody. Last guy you want to see. Because C.J. ham, there's not that many fullbacks in the league.

Out of the fullbacks that are in the league, he's one of the ones that you don't want to see.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Like, he's one of the better ones.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He's.

[Isaiah Stanback]

He's physical as heck. Like, it's not a fullback that's just on your team to be on special teams. Like, this dude will hit your face mask off the rails.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

What?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why'd you say that last part? A fullback that's on your team just to be on special teams. You referencing somebody?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Not at all.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You saying anybody's name here?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Not at all.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Kyle.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Talking about nothing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You're talking about a jab, if you will.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Kind of felt like there was like A little, little sideways shot there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Being coy, Isaiah, you're having a fullback.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Might as well use them for fullback things.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Whoa.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And Minnesota does that.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Feels like shots.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Minnesota definitely does that.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Feels like shots.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Kevin o' Connell does that.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Kevin o'. Connell, Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I can attest to this. Or you can talk to my wife and she can attest to this. This is going to be something you guys give me flack for for a long time. There are two coaches that when I'm at home and we're watching football that I just gush over like, just man crush, straight up. I love these two guys, Kyle Shanahan and Kevin o'. Connell. Those are the two dudes in the NFL because they're, they're freaking smart as hell.

[Isaiah Stanback]

They are.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And they, they know how to run a team.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yes, they do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And so I, I feel like there's a lot of guys in the league that are good at one or the other. They, they are either good leaders or they're really good X's and O's wise. And those guys are good at both of them and they, they get people to rally around them and I think Kevin O' Connell does that. This would be a 10 win team if they had a good quarterback.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Oh, easily.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This would be a 10 win team if they had a quarterback. So they don't.

[Isaiah Stanback]

This is my question. This is my question. Because there is a chance that, that J.J. mcCarthy can wake up and, and have it.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Absolutely.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Especially against Cowboys.

[Isaiah Stanback]

There's a, there's a, there's a chance that he could just wake up and ball out that day.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hopefully that's only really in year one. Yes. He's two years in the league. He got injured last year, didn't really play and watched and learned Saul Sam Darnold do what he did throughout the year. So he's basically a rookie.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So there's going to be growth in there.

[Isaiah Stanback]

So you, if, if, if he shows up that, let's expect him to show up and ball out. Okay, sure. What's your approach defensively? Being that these guys are so well rounded across the board?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Well, if for whatever reason he completely bucks this trend that we're seeing as far as if you give him more time, he will mess up. If he bucks that, then send the horses, then you send the blitz because you need to do whatever you need to knock him off his spot, whatever the spot might be.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So if his, his mental spot.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Or, or physical, because if he is uncomfortable sitting in the pocket for a long period of time and making those plays we just talked about. He only completes 73% to receivers who are have three plus yards of separation.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So if that's what makes him uncomfortable, let that happen. Don't. That's what I'm saying. It's a weird dynamic. Right. However, if you see him back there taking advantage of this extra time, then disrupt that, like find the discomfort, whatever that might be.

[Isaiah Stanback]

So by bringing pressure, typically you're going to be lesser on the back end when they have very viable receivers.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That's, that's why it works in your favor to not send your plus one. That's, that's the key.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You need the coverage.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You need the coverage against that core that you're talking about. And it helps that he doesn't excel when not pressured Anyway. So the, the formula is ready made. Just have your seven, you know, DBs and then tell your front four. Get pressure, to just get pressure organically. You do it that way. Film scouting numbers say that McCarthy will, will blow this game. Now, Cowboys defense has been a get right game.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

So if, if we expect, let's, let's say hypothetically, if McCarthy goes out there in the first quarter, you know where the Cowboys are currently being outscored 42 to 109 in the first quarter. Good God. If whatever reason you see that happening, flip the script. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think at least outside looking in from our purview, this would be the game for Logan Wilson to really make his debut as a starter for the Cowboys.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

In my opinion, he's still here.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Logan Wilson is.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He's employed here, right?

[Josh Rodriguez]

He is employed. He ain't taking many snaps, I'll say that. But if you're going to have him take the majority of the snaps over a K9, let's just say hypothetically, if that's what they want to do, this is the game to do it.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Question.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Just because I don't, I feel, I'm not looking at the chat, but I feel as if our family isn't understanding how much of a threat these are. This skill set position is.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I think, I think they know, if nothing else, they know Justin Jefferson isn't able.

[Isaiah Stanback]

All right, so let's ask this question then. Is this the most well rounded. Is this in the top three of the most well rounded offensive skill positions that we face this year?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Top three. Yes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

If you combine wide receivers, tight quarterback out of it, running backs. Yeah, absolutely.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Running backs, tight ends, wide receivers.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes, yes. Top three.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Top three.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That's what I want people to understand.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Dangerous. If they get a corner.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I want.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That's what I want people to understand. Like, to me, this is number three.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Who's two and who's one?

[Isaiah Stanback]

I think that obviously. Philly. Philly Philly's in there.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And then the one that just. Chicago. Chicago.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Chicago's up there. That was kind of. The other one.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I would say Detroit.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Detroit. I was gonna say.

[Isaiah Stanback]

They might be four.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

The one that just.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That's 44.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I was.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I was with a healthy Laporta, but.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, exactly.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

LaPorte might have been 55.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I think I put them at 4, 3 or 4. Chicago and them are interchangeable to me. I. I'll put them ahead of Chicago, so I'll put them.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You put them ahead. I'm just going to start Philly here. Arizona, yes. Easy. Kansas City. They have the quarterback.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They don't have the.

[Isaiah Stanback]

The receivers. Don't amaze me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Raiders, no. Broncos, maybe.

[Isaiah Stanback]

No receivers, no.

[Kyle Yeomans]

JK do. I mean, they put up 44 on.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

You in comparison, you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what I'm saying everybod.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Detroit Vikings. Taking the quarterback out of these.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Philly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Detroit.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Philly. Detroit vikings.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Packers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Trey McBride.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah. Packers are more than Sally Billy.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Detroit Vikings for me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Philly, Detroit Vikings over Chicago. I don't.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Chicago's right. I think when I think about holistically, I'm gonna put Chicago right at 4.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

They've got, I think, the biggest problem for the Cowboys with this. With this offense. Yeah, Justin Jefferson is one of the biggest problems. But. But it's like Josh said, man, until you figure out a way to stop letting Aaron Jones come into AT&T Stadium.

[Josh Rodriguez]

My goodness.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

And. And look like Eric Dickerson every single time. Then you're. You're going to keep losing to whatever team Aaron Jones is playing for every single time.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He had his best game of the season last week against a defense where he was running up the middle of the entire game. I don't think they're going to be able to do that this week. I really don't. But if they just rely on going to the outside and if you got Kenny Kenneth Murray playing all game, then. Then, yeah, you got a good chance to gain some yards, but they're not going to be able to rely on the inside rush. This.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I will say this. This is different. And you're right. This part is different from when Aaron Jones has faced the Cowboys on the multiple occasions prior. There's one that you could just run up the middle. Now you got Big Q, you got Kenny Clark right there. Solly Osa. Yeah, those guys as a whole need to have a bounce back game. But I like a pissed off Quinn Williams. This was his first loss suffered in the Cowboys uniform and it wasn't a pretty one. 44 points allowed. And when you know, he said after the game after that loss he said we're better than 44 points. I like to hear Quinn and Williams say things like that because it tells me he's pissed off.

[Josh Rodriguez]

There's some accountability there.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah. And the pissed off Quinn and William.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I feel like his mad sound like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You can tell the more we talk about this the more word cutting into Lab coat.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Oh crap.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So yeah, let's take our second break. When we come back, there's lab coat. More talking cowboys.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I thought you were going to cut it right there.

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Back to talking cowboys.

Back here on talking Cowboys. Let's get to lab coat. Hi Patrick.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Let's do it fast. All right, bro. Me and Beamer.

He was supposed to be prepping.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's having us hurry and he doesn't have the drop.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Ready.

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[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Come on baby. We're gonna. We're gonna talk about this play. It's a different page. We're gonna talk about this Playoffs. Word really quickly. Playoffs. Playoffs. Yeah, I know. I know. Fans are wondering. He no see. Isaiah, Kyle, Josh, what's the path to the playoffs for the Dallas Cowboys? What has to happen? I wrote this in this week's science lab, which will go up on Dallas Cowboys.com.

Within the hour. So make sure you check that out because I'm not going to give you everything that's in that column, but I'll give you two key points. The Cowboys, number one. We all know they have to win out. It is unequivocal. You have zero margin for error. You got to mulligan with the Philadelphia Eagles losing to the Los Angeles Chargers. Take advantage of it. You have to win these next four games point blank period. If you don't, nothing I'm about to say matters. If you do, what I'm about to say will matter. That's how it goes. In addition to winning out, the Cowboys need the Eagles to lose. Turns out not two cow. They need to lose three. Oh, four games. They need to lose three. They have the Raiders coming up. They got the Commanders twice and they got the Buffalo Bills. So I really think they're going to drop the. Drop it against the Buffalo Bills. I think they split with the Commanders. Commanders are looking to play. Spoiler question is, can the Commanders sweep or can the Raiders pull a shocking upset? We'll see. Cowboys also need the Bears to lose. No, I'm. Excuse me. If the Eagles lose three of the next four and the Cowboys went out, you got the NFC East. You got it. That's what you're aiming for. Cool beans.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I thought it was. Just hold on.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah, no, it says two. I have three here. Why? Double check. Why? Let's see. So let's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, just double check your math.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Hold on. And I did.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're a game and a half back.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

We're game and a half back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So if they lose two and we.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Win or I wonder if this tie is coming in because I don't.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's exactly what. That's what it is.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Three metrics. Yeah, three metrics.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're two behind the espn.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Including the ESPN model has them having to lose three. Yeah. No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So we'll confirm. I'm looking at the NFL model. I don't think it's right.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Okay, so we have a discrepancy between espn, pff. Model and I think it's brother. So we'll see now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But nonetheless, I blame it on espn.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

That's fine. You need them to lose at least two, maybe three. We'll see. Y' all look that up now. That'll get you the NFC east title. Okay. Much more difficult path is if the Bears. You need the Bears to lose three out of four. That'll get you a wild card. If you went out and the Bears collapse, then you can get the wild card. But considering the Bears play the Browns next, I think they walk the Browns. You're hoping that. Yeah, no, I'm not actually, because it's the NFL. You're hoping that the Bears can get a bounce back game against the packers and don't allow a sweep by the Packers. Then they go against the 49ers and the Lions. So it's possible that the Bears could lose three of the next four Packers, 49ers, Lions after the Browns. We'll see if that happens. There are two other scenarios that involve the Lions and the 49ers falling backwards. And what they need to do as far as the collapse is concerned to help the Cowboys that you got to check out on Science lab on Dallas Cowboys.com but I am going to double check. Well, not even double quadruple check because I triple checked and I had three different models saying those three.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can I. When did you look at it?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

At it last night and this morning I pinned this column.

[Kyle Yeomans]

When was the date from. From when they posted that?

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Oh, good question. Well, two, because. Because Monday night. No, no, it was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Posted it before Monday I think.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I believe it was Tuesday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, it's definitely two games they need to lose.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Two for sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Even better, if they lose two games, they finish at 10 and 7.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And if we win out, if the Cowboys went out, then they are 10, 6 and 1. So the tide.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Oh, so there you go. So even better, two games. So Cowboys need seed win four. Yep. Eagles lose two. That gets you to NFC East. Cowboys win four, Eagles don't lose two. You look at the Bears, Bears need to lose three of the last four and it's possible because again, Packers, 49ers, Lions and then you look at where each of those teams, what they're up against when they face the Bears 49ers vying for to stay in the playoff. Lions will be vying for, you know, playoff.

Seating. Right. So. And we know the packers are looking to sweep their rival so they can improve their seating potential. So yeah, we'll see how that goes. Playoffs.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Could you imagine the scene at AT&T Stadium this weekend if the Raiders who play the the Eagles at noon, end up upsetting Philadelphia at noon on Sunday and then by the time Everybody gets to AT&T Stadium. Dallas has a chance to be a half game out. Like that would be that it would completely change the entire feeling around the building just by a game that happens halfway across the country. It'd be pretty wild if that ends up happening. So go Raiders. Let's go, Las Vegas.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Come on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Get it done, baby.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

Pete Carroll do a thing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Come on, Pete.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Help out Brock Bowers. Pete Carroll's trying to get a draft pick, buddy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Pete Carroll doesn't tank.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Oh, no, he would never.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What are you talking about? That would never happen.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

I don't know. Isaiah that information from his guy Peter?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nah, he didn't commit to him.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Pete.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Pete wanted to recruit him.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

He did?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Isaiah said no. Said no. Get your get your workout in today. You might get a call from some of these teams that need a quarterback. You're three years younger than Philip Newton.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Has something to say about that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. He was like, wait, I'm not available. It's like, no, Cam, you're not. All right for Patrick. No. Josh Rodriguez. Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying, so long. We'll see you tomorrow with a. Say it with your chest. Friday. Going into this matchup on Sunday against the Vikings. See you later. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Patrick Nosi Walker]

How about this, Cowboy?

Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first.

Ah.

There. The last one.

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