Talkin’ Cowboys: No Love Lost with Green Bay

Summary

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Talkin’ Cowboys: No Love Lost with Green Bay

Podcast: Talkin' Cowboys
Date: September 24, 2025
Host: Dallas Cowboys (Kyle Yeomans, Patrick Walker, Isaiah Stanback, Josh Rodriguez)
Recorded at: The Star in Frisco, TX

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Episode Overview

This Wednesday edition of Talkin’ Cowboys is packed with spirited banter and sharp analysis as the crew previews a pivotal matchup: the Dallas Cowboys defense versus the Green Bay Packers offense. The episode opens with roster news that tempers the mood, but quickly pivots into an energetic discussion about defensive challenges, player development, and the strategies required to tame Jordan Love and a balanced Packers attack. The show’s tone is lively, sometimes comedic, but always deeply knowledgeable and passionate about the game.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Roster News: Zion Childress Signed by Houston Texans

• [03:00] News breaks that Zion Childress, a promising defensive back, has been signed off the Cowboys’ practice squad by the Texans.
  • Isaiah points out “a little bit of poaching happened this morning and the Cowboys’ defensive back room that was already in dire straits... you lose Zion Childress.” ([03:33])
  • General sentiment among hosts is frustration and disappointment: “I am upset that Zion got plucked because I did like Zion Childress… he was great in the preseason, young guy you wanted to give an opportunity.” –Patrick Walker ([03:51])
  • Kyle Yeomans and Josh Rodriguez emphasize Childress’ preseason flashes and express dismay at the loss of someone they felt could have contributed to a thin secondary ([04:25], [05:10]).

2. Cornerback Depth & Confidence in Current DBs

• [05:10–08:29]
  • Hosts debate the depth and talent level at cornerback, comparing Childress to current options Ready Stewart, Triquezzi Bridges, and others.
  • Kyle challenges whether fans/coaches should feel “better about the guys you’re playing at the cornerback position right now than you do about Zion.”
  • Lively back-and-forth about whether Childress’ loss is truly devastating, or just a “twist of a knife” given injury woes—Isaiah: “We’re not saying it’s the end of the world… it’s a twist of the knife” ([06:07]).
  • The “Richter Scale” analogy humorously ranks the loss of different defenders, concluding that Childress is a sizable but not catastrophic loss ([08:29]).

3. Discussion of CJ Gardner-Johnson and Roster Moves

• [10:06]
  • Patrick Walker asks whether the Cowboys should sign recently released CJ Gardner-Johnson; all hosts quickly and forcefully decline: “No. No. No. I just… I’m glad we’re all on the same page” ([10:09]).
  • They break down the Texans’ move to replace Gardner-Johnson with Childress, highlighting instability and off-field issues as rationale for passing on CJGJ ([11:41]).

4. Cowboys Defensive Preview (vs. Packers’ Offense)

• [28:12] The crew transitions to previewing how the Cowboys’ D matches up against Jordan Love and the Packers.
  • Isaiah points to Jordan Love’s motivation: “He’s pissed off because the exceptional Cleveland Browns defense was able to stifle him… he’s coming back to the scene of the [playoff] crime.” ([28:58])
  • Patrick warns: “Jordan Love coming in here… playing at a high level… and he’s lit up a Dallas defense in the past.” ([28:31])
  • Josh and Kyle both highlight the dangers of underrating the Browns’ defense in the Packers’ previous loss—Cleveland’s D-line “wiped the Green Bay Packers just clean off the map.” –Kyle ([29:38])

a. Where Will Dallas Be Most Tested?

• [31:07] Consensus: The secondary, and especially the safeties, will be severely challenged. Josh: “You have to have the most physical game out of your secondaries that you’ve had up until this point.”
• Isaiah emphasizes the need to play press and man coverage to disrupt the Packers’ precision routes, but both he and Kyle doubt the personnel or execution is there for Dallas ([32:00], [34:15]).
• Safeties are singled out as needing to “be on point,” especially in handling seam routes and tight end Tucker Kraft ([34:20], [38:44]).
• Kyle makes a key schematic point: “Single high is not an option in this game… You’re not playing man with one man—you’re playing man across the board, and I just don’t believe we’re in a position to do that right now” ([34:47]).

b. Vulnerabilities & Defensive Gameplan Discussion

• Both zone and man coverage present problems:
  • In man: lack of talent/execution (especially Trayvon Diggs' post-injury struggles and Kair Elam's inconsistent play).
  • In zone: Cowboys have been vulnerable to teams overloading specific zones and exploiting miscommunications.
• “Bend but don’t break” is suggested as a possibly prudent approach, similar to the strategy versus Philadelphia ([39:00]).

c. Front Seven Impact and Run Defense

• The biggest Dallas strength is the interior defensive line.
  • Patrick: “The weakness in the Packers offense is their interior OL, the strength… is the interior DL. Now you’re blowing up the pocket from the inside.” ([45:05])
  • All agree the keys to containing the run are preventing Packers guards from reaching the second level, and making plays before Josh Jacobs can bounce outside ([49:09]).
• Josh: “My biggest concern is Dontavian Wicks… his security blanket. Dallas is not great at covering slot receivers; that guy is going to give you problems all day.” ([47:39])

d. Containment/Egde Play

• Can Dallas prevent Jordan Love from escaping the pocket and creating with his legs? To this point, the answer has often been “no”—pressure isn’t containing mobile QBs ([45:58]).
• Jadaveon Clowney’s ability as a run defender and pass-rush “hero” is crucial, though the hosts are frustrated that so much rests on such a recent addition ([50:07], [50:27]).

5. Player Stock Up / Stock Down Segment

• [14:06–22:46] The hosts debate which Cowboys and recent Cowboy draft picks are trending up or down after three games:
  • Javonte Williams (RB): “Stock up” unanimously, as he’s shown promise as a bellcow.
  • George Pickens (WR): Split; some want more effort/leadership/consistency from him as a potential ‘WR1’ in Lamb’s absence: “If he were to exert more effort consistently, I think he would have more opportunities to get the ball, but he’s not getting off the ball with explosiveness.” –Isaiah Stanback ([17:16])
  • Kennedy Murray Jr. (LB): “Stock up,” praised as Cowboys’ best linebacker so far.
  • Defensive edge group: Major disappointment; hopes now pinned to Clowney and James Houston. “At some point, you have to look in the mirror… you’re asking Clowney to come off the street and be a hero, which is just the situation at hand.” –Patrick ([50:40])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Zion Childress leaving:
  “It’s a twist of the knife… not the end of the world, but a tough loss at a position you’re already in dire straits in.” –Isaiah Stanback ([06:07])

• On playing man vs. zone coverage:
  “Single high is not an option in this game… You’re not in a position to play man. Zone’s going to be a problem because they flood zones, put you in no man’s land.” –Kyle Yeomans ([34:47])

• On Kair Elam’s struggles:
  “He’s been targeted twenty-two times, given up seventeen receptions for two hundred and fifty-seven yards and two touchdowns. That’s worst in the NFL.” –Patrick Walker ([36:43])

• On interior D-line as the key:
  “Their biggest vulnerability is right up the middle, and that’s where your defense’s only real bright spot is right now.” –Patrick Walker ([45:05])

• On how much is resting on the edge rushers:
  “I hate that we’re in a position where we’re relying on somebody who… literally has to come in and be the hero at the edge, but he has to be.” –Isaiah Stanback ([50:07])

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Important Timestamps

• [03:00] — Zion Childress to Texans news breaks
• [06:07] — “Twist of the knife” analogy for losing Childress
• [10:06] — CJ Gardner-Johnson discussion dismissed
• [14:06–22:46] — Stock Up / Stock Down analysis for Cowboys’ key players
• [28:12] — Start of Cowboys defense vs. Packers offense preview
• [31:07] — Consensus: Secondary will be the most tested
• [34:15] — “Single high is not an option”; schematic breakdown
• [36:43] — Kair Elam’s coverage statistics called out
• [38:44] — Tight ends as a significant threat
• [45:05] — Interior DL vs. Packers’ interior OL: “The key to the game”
• [50:07] — Clowney’s importance (Edge containment)
• [51:46] — Pleas for “show me something” from the defensive edge group

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Tone, Energy & Memorable Moments

The show is infused with typical Cowboys banter, quick-witted jabs (the “Richter Scale” for positional losses, weather flexing, and movie references), and honest frustration over roster and performance concerns. Despite some comedic moments, it’s clear that the hosts view the matchup with deep seriousness: the secondary is in crisis, the front seven must carry the defense, and the edge group is woefully underperforming, leaving hope—if any—in the dependable arms of players like Kenny Clark and Osa Odighizuwa.

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Summary Takeaways (for Non-Listeners)

• The Cowboys lost a promising young defensive back in Zion Childress—a blow, but not a season-ending one.
• The defensive backfield is thin, struggling with both personnel and execution, and will be the unit most tested against Green Bay.
• Dallas’ strength is their defensive tackle play; the way to disrupt the Packers is to dominate the interior line and avoid overexposing their DBs.
• Press coverage is desired but currently not feasible given CB/S performance; zone defense has its own very real pitfalls against Green Bay’s route concepts.
• The Cowboys’ edge defenders are under immense pressure to keep Jordan Love from extending plays—a job that has not been done well so far.
• Key Packers offensive threats include their tight ends (especially up the seam) and slot receiver Dontavian Wicks, given chemistry with Jordan Love and Dallas’ weakness covering the slot.
• The episode is a candid, insightful, and sometimes self-deprecating look at the critical issues facing the Cowboys ahead of a major test.

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For full breakdowns and more of the Cowboys’ defensive and offensive plans, check back for the Thursday episode’s preview of the Dallas offense vs. the Green Bay defense.

Transcript

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick Walker]

The following is a production of dallas cowboys dot com and the dallas cowboys football club how about.

[Isaiah Stamback]

This cowboys go cowboys.

[Patrick Walker]

This is talking cowboys streaming live from the dallas cowboys world headquarters at the star in frisco.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Cd lamb touchdown it's on jake ferguson.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Prescott keeps it and he bangs it.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Into the touch and now your hosts.

[Patrick Walker]

Isaiah standback patrick walker josh rodriguez and kyle yeomans it's a wonderful wednesday edition of talking cowboys presented by black rifle coffee company live from the star in frisco texas in the swbc studios welcome in everybody we've got the whole cast and crew ready for you to rock today we're with patrick noi walker josh rodriguez isaiah stamback chris beam in the back i'm kyle ymans so glad you're with us here on this wednesday where we are going to preview the cowboys defense taking on the green bay offense today what is going on why are you already we're already starting already why you throwing the mic already you're upset.

[Isaiah Stamback]

It'S because of what i told him before we went hot what was that the news and note the the singular news and note oh yeah and he's still recovering from the television i was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Over that one word did you just want to start my day off like this that's what you want to do.

[Patrick Walker]

This is the twenty four hour rule.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh twenty four hours was done come on midnight this re he just reset it come on midnight he just re no go ahead mister news and notes yeah way to mess up my freaking.

[Patrick Walker]

Day midnight rain larry swift larry on the the youtube chat just said i need some good news and notes please.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I don't know what to tell you.

[Patrick Walker]

And that's what he's pleading all we.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Got is bad i i got some bad news for you but wait there's more wait there's more all right so on my drive in per his instagram.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Account go ahead go ahead go ahead and ruin everybody's day let's see if.

[Isaiah Stamback]

It becomes official can we set it up first set it up can we.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Set it up first what position group are we needing right now like cornerback cornerback corner kind of kind of light there right y yeah right we have some guys that kind of hopeful for based upon their preseason that you would love to give some opportunities to yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah okay go ahead yeah so per his instagram account we'll see if it becomes official today zion childress has been signed from the cowboys practice squad to the houston texans active roster interesting key to note he is a houston kid yep so there's some you know obvious obviously some homecoming vibes there for him but yeah that transaction becomes official as it's been hinted at largely by zion himself posting it on his ig account.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Credible source arguably yeah that's a pretty.

[Patrick Walker]

Good source okay okay probably on a.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Plane right now himself so yeah a little bit of poaching happened this morning and the cowboys defensive back room that was already in dire straits you get duron bland back expectedly but you lose ion childress so freaking a man i.

[Patrick Walker]

I'M going to say two things here first off i i am upset that zion got plucked because i did like zion childress and i like him a lot i like yeah he he was great in the preseason he's a young guy that i thought you wanted to give an opportunity i know dallas wanted to hold on to him but they didn't and so now good luck in houston i i i hope nothing but success for him because he's the next al kadine muhammad yeah maybe mark probably.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Making plays you are really feeling i.

[Patrick Walker]

Don'T like it man but he was just here the second thing i'm here is i thought it was a whole lot worse of a no no the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Way you reacted no i like listen i like zion childress i like about what he showed us i like what he showed us in training camp i liked what he showed us in the preseason games there is nothing about him that you would not like sure he's aggressive he's sticky he's competitive he has a short memory i i was hopeful for him coming he was one of the guys that i was alluding to yesterday in terms of coming in and have an opportunity to make an impact.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't like it he was on my fifty three i'll say that i mean all through training camp i saw the splashes from him and like you said he had a short memory the plays that he didn't make he would come back and make that's unfortunate obviously but texans are zero and three they need some help and just sucks that it's on your practice squad that they.

[Patrick Walker]

Post yeah i just don't know if i'm i'm in like the the microphone throwing scenario for a practice squad corner.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I am okay so is he do you feel better about him than you or i guess do you feel better about the guys that you're playing at the cornerback position right now than you.

[Patrick Walker]

Do about zion like ready stewart and trickozzi correct is and those guys i don't because i haven't seen enough of them yet but you but i also don't know if the i mean if the coaching staff has seen all of it from everybody i'm going to trust.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Their synergy i'm not trusting anything with that right now i'm going to trust.

[Patrick Walker]

My eyes your eyes and i get.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It what i'm trusting so we we've.

[Patrick Walker]

We'Ve seen how many snaps for zion childress in the preseason the whole preseason.

[Kyle Yeomans]

More than i've seen of those guys.

[Patrick Walker]

Absolutely you've probably seen twenty five snaps each of triquezzi bridges and ready stewart so i get it there's a conversation there but i don't know if i'm going to sit here and say it's the end of the world that we.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Lost zion no but in a position.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That you're in right we're saying it's a twist of a knife yeah that's basically what it is we're not saying it's the tele booker news we're definitely not equating it to the cd lamb.

[Kyle Yeomans]

News it's not those are by far.

[Isaiah Stamback]

More astronomical it's not a nine point nine on the richter or anything like.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That it's the potential of him making an impact on your team from a guy that you saw flash in training camp and in preseason so that's unfortunate but you do ready stewart honestly he flashed a few times in this last game it wasn't a great game for the secondary but in general you throw him on a blitz and he made a really really good play as a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Tackler i would like that to be an asset of my corner i don't want it to be the primary right.

[Patrick Walker]

Cover because if you're making no i.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Understand i mean that's what we know about donovan wilson and that's why he plays strong safet right he should be in the box right to be an asset to the running game he's not a cover safety that's why he's a strong safety most strong safeties don't cover well there are some that change the game up and they're able to do both we talking about the cornerback position zion's ability to play inside and outside he could play both right in terms of the guys that you have right now name your top four corners on your team trayvon diggs not what he.

[Patrick Walker]

Used elam has we've seen he has.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not been what we were hoping that he that he was that that he showed through training camp who's the other guy jerome bland ron bland we're hoping that he can stay healthy yep okay so and then who who's your fourth i would ray stewart oh no no i'm talking about like like just overall if they were all healthy oh if they were all healthy if they were all healthy oh rebel yeah he's not accessible right no so rebel's not accessible diggs is not what he used to be kyrie el has shown you much like so we've had this conversation through.

[Patrick Walker]

Training camp this has been a conversation since the beginning of training camp when rebel was going to go on pup in the inactive list to go to start in oxnard we've had this conversation and then it was will diggs be the same obviously that hasn't come to fruition quite yet will duron bland stay available that only lasted for a short amount of time so yeah it is a problem so looking at this in all the scenario he still wasn't on your practice squad even or he wasn't on your active roster even when it was a significant problem and it was.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Coming time for the cowboys to make a decision on zion anyway because he's been elevated now twice yeah only get three elevations before they have to decide if you're going to be active roster or not so i mean again we're not equating it to i mean we're we're being a little tongue i like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The way remember the richter scale yeah.

[Patrick Walker]

The richter scale like eight point eight would be for cd seven point three would be or seven or seven point two would be for for booker wait what number does booker booker is fifty fifty two fifty two golly i'm all over the place five point two he's bigger than a five point two have.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You been in an earthquake before no and don't want you don't want to be in a five trust i know.

[Patrick Walker]

But it's an eight point eight eight.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Point eight you're dead yeah exactly we're.

[Patrick Walker]

Not that's the point.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'M not i remember the name yeah that's how i feel about him i feel he's taking.

[Josh Rodriguez]

His receipt right now and then whenever.

[Isaiah Stamback]

He balls out yeah i feel like isaiah is taking that receipt and on the back of it on the front it says iron children on the back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It says no no very very very similar to how i feel about him is how i felt about about muhammad like like when they when they did not sign up muhammad i was i was not happy because i'm looking at your depth and i'm like who does.

[Isaiah Stamback]

What he does well now they believe it's going to be robert rochelle because that's who they so there's that but however you look at it the fact is zion childress has a lot of potential strong ceiling and he's being lost at a position that you're in dire straits in so when you combine those things that's why we're concerned they're not saying that loss in and of itself is equal equal to what we've lost.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He'S not what he's going to be.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Right isaiah is saying hold that thought.

[Patrick Walker]

Though okay along the same lines chris in the comment section asked the question so i'm going to ask the question because it's a big name that is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now available oh no no i just.

[Patrick Walker]

I'M going to ask it he got yeah his name is cj gardner johnson no okay cool i'm i'm glad we're all on the same page no you agree yeah i do agree do you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Agree yeah yeah okay eagles didn't want him yeah the texans just got rid of him after after him being on a roster week one right as a.

[Patrick Walker]

Veteran and they grabs somebody on twitter.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Said it too where it's like it's impressive for a team like the texans who are zero three now to have made that move just last off season to say yeah made a mistake and.

[Patrick Walker]

Move on from him and having traded.

[Isaiah Stamback]

For him exactly they traded for him you didn't just move on from him as like oh he's a free agent.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Signing how much did they give up.

[Isaiah Stamback]

For him that's a good question i forgot because but who's filling his roster.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Spot it was a player swap wasn't.

[Patrick Walker]

It who's feeling his roster spot zion.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Childress i'm sorry one zion childress so the the guy asking that we should sign just got replaced by a guy that we had on our practice squad.

[Patrick Walker]

Just making sure everybody's on the same.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Page just laying out the facts here.

[Patrick Walker]

That'S all we're doing.

[Isaiah Stamback]

To be fair for a so the texans got away from that texans got gardner johnson for a twenty twenty six sixth round pick oh okay they got cj gardner johnson and a twenty twenty six sixth round pick in exchange for kenyon green and a fifth round pick this past april.

[Patrick Walker]

Those are two guys that have just kind of fallen off the cliff gave.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Up a fifth though yeah and a player yeah and walked away and got.

[Patrick Walker]

Got a player and walked away and.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Walked away clean well not clean but.

[Patrick Walker]

You walked they haven't even made that pick yet and they walked apparently he.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Was making like waves like off the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Field yeah that's that's always been a thing with him though right all right.

[Patrick Walker]

Any positive news and notes yeah the.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Positive news is that that's the only negative news no injuries yesterday right nobody got hurt on the way to the.

[Patrick Walker]

Water there was no practice yeah that's.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No one got hurt on the way to the water cooler cool that's good.

[Patrick Walker]

Training table it's a day off progress nice good job everybody nobody get hurt.

[Isaiah Stamback]

To quote kyle love it sick and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All the all the all the people who all the listeners that are in that are texas residents please drive safe today y' all i know how it is when water hits the ground around.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Don'T start with this you're right if.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You feel the need to put your hazards on just get to the far right lane just don't be the guy in this in the fast lane or the middle lane you have a problem today every time you did you did you see an accident today kyle i did see it oh exactly today anytime.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Water'S on expert driving in rain from.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Washington i'm just i'm saying i have more experience that's all so i'm saying.

[Josh Rodriguez]

If you are it's natural to you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you're uncomfortable with the rain put your hazard on and get to the.

[Patrick Walker]

Right lane isaiah's weird weather flex today have you been in a earthquake before bro trust you don't want to be in an earthquake you can't drive in.

[Isaiah Stamback]

The rain we do not have you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Been to the equator before because this.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Guy right here ever been near a tornado before have you ever seen a foot you don't i don't yeah i've always want to be a tornado chaser.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Though have you scaled a mountain in the himalayan past couple of years buddy.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Not in you realize that the problem with chase is one is in a blink you can be the one being.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Chased then you're like i mean i could judge i could judge the ball on a punt i could just tornado yeah it's time to go you're testing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The weather i believe there's chance for.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Rain like it's going down we're inside die dude i don't think so i.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Don'T think so no earthquakes are terrifying tornadoes if you ever even hear tornadoes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Before brandon aubrey makes a kick he's going to go down there and be like i've been here before buddy about.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Earthquakes is you don't you don't see them coming at all like there's no sign of them oh yeah yeah the.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Thing about tornadoes though is even if.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You see them coming for sure you.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Don'T have as many as you think.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You are absolutely correct i don't want to be in one ever okay so.

[Patrick Walker]

Talking mother nature mother nature i thought.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You said nature so mother i was like where's he going with.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right.

[Patrick Walker]

Before we get into our defensive preview i'm going to do a little stock up stock down little situation what what is the laugh it's a stock up.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Stock down sell sell sell it's not.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Going to be a lot of stock.

[Patrick Walker]

Downs is that what you're it's not.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Going to be a lot of up in in this stretch that you're about to do because in the stretch i mean like as far as stock up stock up stock down that's that's going.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To be not a lot of snicker.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Up as far as it's not it's.

[Patrick Walker]

Not a lot of i'm going to try and make this tough because i i don't want it to be do it kyle do it i don't want it to be an easy oh they're working their way up or oh they're on their way down frisky i'm going to start with javante williams because there's a couple ways you could debate this yes he's running the football effectively but if we're going to knock other guys like miles sanders for dropping the football and fumbling in crucial situations he's certainly had a couple of those already javante williams stock up stock down still up.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay all the way up i think because the running game was in question you didn't know if you had a bell cow coming into the season it's been a conversation over the last two years i think he's what if i.

[Patrick Walker]

Made it the running game running game in general without tyler booker or cooper.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Bb we don't know that i think we don't know what it looks like.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Well right now going into that's what.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'M saying it's up having only seen javante williams and miles sanders and if you get jaden blue involved i mean i think way up okay oh it's.

[Patrick Walker]

It'S up i like that i'm cool with that it's up i like it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And you're going to need it you're going to need it on sunday depending.

[Isaiah Stamback]

On your purview of the fumble that happened in chicago that may or may not have been his fault so it's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Always his fault he has to protect.

[Isaiah Stamback]

The ball however i agree but it's it's up for javante it's okay george.

[Patrick Walker]

Pickens stock up or stock down this.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Is this one is challenging because i.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Think stock up i i want to.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Say up but barely because if you look at the chicago game as much as you would have once cd went down as much as you would like to have seen him really take over like consistently for the rest of that game and be that downfield threat and you know definitive wr one he impacted the game and and helping you come fourteen three fourteen blah blah you tie the game fourteen all and he impacted the game he did he had the the energy you wanted him to have it just it didn't sustain throughout the remainder of the game but when you look at the previous week the new york giants didn't impact as much from a production standpoint in week one but drawing dpis and things like that i think as a whole i'm gonna give him an up as a whole one.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Hundred percent agreed in your sole touchdown was because of an amazing catch by.

[Kyle Yeomans]

George pickens hot potato pause yeah i'm gonna disagree okay i saw that coming yeah and i would like to see more out of him now whether or not he no not more in terms of production i'd like to see more from this team yeah i mean i'm not but when i say more based on expectation i'm not referencing just production i'm referencing effort that would result in production okay and that's more so my biggest concern with cd lamb being out because i'm not sure and i mean let me say this i don't have the evidence with his time here of him being in a position to lead the receiver group so whether you want to call him one b or two or whatever you want to call them i'm concerned about the receiver group's production value with him as your leader on field leader i'm not saying cd is going to be around all that kind of stuff right but on field leader i'm concerned about that because i i don't see the consistency in his route running i don't see the consistency in his effort in the you know in the in the in a blocking game whenever he knows he's going to be covered he kind of shuts it down whether he's conserving energy or not i mean even like his releases and things of that nature is not consistent we know he's capable of it not a question about that it's the consistency so for that reason i have to say down because i believe that if he were to exert more effort consistently i think he would have more opportunities to get the ball but he's not getting off the ball with with with explosiveness he's not trying to create separation he's he's pretty predictable in terms of his route running right all the dpi calls you know that we've seen has been on what go ball go balls everything else the routes are kind of heh that's just from the eye test just.

[Josh Rodriguez]

To play devil's advocate here for a second i think you had a really great talented wide receiver in your cowboys past that wasn't necessarily great at running routes that was just a physical guy give me a second physical guy that had the talent that once the ball was in his hands he was able to make something he wasn't great run blocking either does bryant i know he.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Was going there he was going there i'll also add this for george pickens if you look at he helped you a lot if you look at the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Des ran his route tree in my eyes is better than what we've seen from george pickens i'll say that i'm talking about his aggressiveness off the line.

[Josh Rodriguez]

If we're talking about consistency and run blocking if he's covered if he's double.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Covered i i don't disagree there but we're not talking george is not being.

[Patrick Walker]

Double covered no at all that's fair.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He'S about to be okay so if he hasn't been double covered and the effort hasn't been there what makes you think that he's going to be there when he's double covered that's my concern so i'm saying like so yeah it's a fair comparison to put him up against dez but if you compress dez.

[Isaiah Stamback]

What'S his attitude oh you get he.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Gets about to get that work i dare you to absolutely not seeing that you're not seeing that that that man you're not seeing that aggressiveness you're not seeing that grit at the line of scrimmage where you feel confident that vers versus press coverage on a slant route i'm going to him no matter what because i know he's going to win i don't feel that from george yet based upon what i've seen what i.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Say is i small sample size too yeah you're right you're right we want to see more from george but i feel like based on utilization in the first two games and then going into halftime of the first game i think he's had only one bad half he.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Was a clear out guy in the.

[Isaiah Stamback]

First game three games of football so for me that math is that math which puts his stock up now if the second half that he put up against the bears and you know the tip drill that he created by not catching that ball if that perpetuates itself in week four week five then it's like okay then the scale starts to balance and then tilt in the wrong direction but one bad half again based on utilization also in what twelve quarters of football that's not a stock down.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If i give you a challenge in these first three games do you think that you could go highlight go select ten plays where he routed people up.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I mean i could dive back into.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That film i'm just saying off the top do you think that you can say ten these are ten plays where i feel like oh yeah he came off the ball fast he created separation like the ball could have gone there if dak was looking that way i.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Feel like i could argue yes yes.

[Patrick Walker]

See i would argue they there's no more than seven i would agree there's and that's what you go and get a guy like that for you go and get a guy like that to make an impact to build separation split decision yeah i would say stock down for now but it's week three like josh said it's a simple it's a low sample size a small sample size there's a long way to go and he's about to get a ton of.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Work the test is the way that.

[Patrick Walker]

He to be right here so okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So so do you guys before we move on to the next one do you guys feel confident with him as your as your one receiver i say for the next four four no no no no no no he traded for.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Him so for the okay then yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You feel comfortable and confident that he's your number one guy over these next four weeks potentially yeah i mean until further notice i feel more confident reserve.

[Isaiah Stamback]

The right to revisit this after the green bay game but as of right now i would of course i do i'm atlas i get the i get.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The so tolbert your one new new.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Data is new data no absolutely not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No so george is your one yes george is the one george is i know what he is by by depth in terms of production who's your one.

[Isaiah Stamback]

It needs to have to be george.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay we will revisit this yeah we'll.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Talk about it it's probably jake ferguson.

[Patrick Walker]

But we ran a little bit long on this you want to try and go one super fast stock up stock down on the defensive side kenneth murray.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Junior oh oh yeah i like i.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Like ken yeah definitely especially after the.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Philly game huh started now started up.

[Patrick Walker]

And he's he's worked his way back.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Up tackle him philly game was rough.

[Patrick Walker]

Philly was tough and they put him in some really tough situations pleasant i've been pleasantly surprised over the last two games at how much he's responded and i think he's he's been your best linebacker yes on the field and of course it's not going to be that is on sandborn that hasn't yeah that is on the field the jack sanborn specifically hasn't played well i don't want kenneth murray to get lost in that and just be grouped in as the linebackers because kenneth murray's doing some things.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He needs an athletic quick linebacker to.

[Patrick Walker]

Play with like a maris leopold yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

They have interesting they have one year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wait they have a couple he's on.

[Patrick Walker]

The team shemar james who's been in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That you have a couple he is.

[Patrick Walker]

On the team he is active it's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Crazy kenneth murray is a tackling machine he's a box guy don't ask him to cover right it's just it just is what it's like a donovan wilson you feel one hundred confident with donald in the box him up back there free don't do it he does not his thing right he does something very well let him do that one thing are there going to be times where he's asked to do things outside of his comfort zone absolutely same thing with kenneth murray but for the most part let him be in the box and let him play downhill he needs an athletic guy that he can play off.

[Patrick Walker]

Of yeah i completely agree if i were to say any other individual name other than oso digizu is solomon thomas and kenny clark anybody else on the defensive side is there a stock up anywhere or is everybody else stock down.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You don't have any stock up can you even defensive end well at this.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Point can you even say ready stewart.

[Patrick Walker]

James houston houston probably not oh yeah james houston would be a no i agree there james houston yeah he makes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Good special teams plays for sure yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He is definitely blue pill all right.

[Patrick Walker]

When we come back we're going to make our defensive preview against jordan love in this green bay packers offense be an interesting conversation because is jordan love the best passing threat that you've faced so far russell wilson was i'll talk about it he just got benched when we come back with more talking cowboys nationwide is so much more than a great insurance company they're one of america's largest financial services companies like how i'm.

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[Isaiah Stamback]

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[Isaiah Stamback]

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Second this segment is brought to you by invisalign the official smile of the dallas cowboys glad you're with us here on talking cowboys it's wednesday which means we're going to preview the dallas defense against the green bay offense week four of the nfl season i saw a comment from debasement boys our guy over.

[Isaiah Stamback]

There.

[Patrick Walker]

He in in terms of my tease going into the segment is jordan love the best passing threat that you've seen at quarterback this season he said or he said russell wilson or isaiah said russell wilson i said he got benched and the basement boy said he got benched but he lit us up for four hundred fifty that's the point yeah that's the problem and you've got jordan love coming in here who's playing at a high level at the moment and he's lit up a dallas defense.

[Isaiah Stamback]

In the past he's also pissed off because the exceptional cleveland browns defense was able to stifle him confuse him shut them down so he's he's coming back to the scene of the of the.

[Josh Rodriguez]

January crime i think miles garrett took over that aaron donald like big man like just absolute mauler he's a monster.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Dude there are yeah it's carved out.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Of rock that is absolute joker on.

[Isaiah Stamback]

The field dude the thing from fantastic four dude is just marble can we.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Say this before we get into this i feel like it's very important jordan because everybody's looking at the cleveland browns.

[Patrick Walker]

It'S like oh it's the browns the.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Browns beat green bay it's a name.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Association listen don't don't don't do that like don't do that the entire defense is their lights out okay their number one defense in the league okay their defensive line is disgusting like anybody can hurt you on that defensive line their interior d linemen are disgusting they don't get enough credit because there's some dude number ninety five that's on the outside that gets all the credit their entire d line wiped the green bay packers just clean just off the map so for those that have you know whatever application you want to use go watch the film and watch how single handedly the defensive line took over the game for green bay this you are not the same you're not the same right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Now and that's the same offensive line that held up against the detroit lions who have a pretty darn good defensive front i mean it's it's amazing and.

[Patrick Walker]

There are two defenses right now that have allowed less than two hundred and fifty yards in each of their first three games one of them is the cleveland browns the other one is that green bay packers defense that we're going to talk about tomorrow so i don't like that we can or we have to we have to we owe it to everybody contractually obligated but now the question becomes how does jordan love and the weapons outside bounce back who's going to be tested the most out of the dallas defense tested the most tested the most yes yes let me say.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The secondary again again safeties are corners.

[Patrick Walker]

Let'S split it up oh that's what i'm saying.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Come back to me but no no no no i you got to go corners here okay i think if you win this game if big if you have to have the most physical game out of your secondaries that you've had up until this point agreed.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I think can you have that in.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Zone those receivers over there for the.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Green bay packers are you pressing i.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Don'T know but they don't pay me to make those decisions my friend all right those receivers run crisp routes and if you're trying to manage the escapability of jordan love let's say with i don't know spying him just throwing it out there who knows was that the beetlejuice voice yeah yeah it's showtime you have to simultaneously account for josh jacobs at the second level with the defensive line so your receipt or your cornerbacks and your secondary you're just as a whole they need to be physical they need to press these guys in my.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Opinion i agree if if jordan lewis is beetlejuice you better find your lydia deets and get this figured out and marisley foul is your lady of deets but i they run good routes do they crispy crisp you know one of the best ways to disrupt routes how's that is you press at the line of scrimmage you go you use more man you disrupt time but you saw.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Trayvon you saw trayvon diggs press last week how'd that turn out in the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Week before and before not well there.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Were still wrinkles in the ngb there were still wrinkles in the slacks after the press.

[Patrick Walker]

There'S still wrinkles in there.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You said with which you know which is the answer is yes like they're all going to be tested for a couple reasons number one jordan love he can do it in the air with his weapons that's that's that okay number two you can't we'll see how jadevion clowney impacts the game if he can get home and help these guys get home but absent getting home against jordan love he can stretch the play he can extend the play which then makes you cover longer downfield and now you have to decide if he's going to pass are you going to crash down and try to stop him from using his legs to get the first down to move the change now you're in the danger zone the same danger zone you were in against caleb williams the same danger zone you were in against jalen hurts at least you contain jalen hurts i'm not so much saying rusted much with his legs because he did he did a little here and there but jordan love can do it on the ground in the air he's pissed off that the browns did what they did to him and i think he he's going to come back to at and t and try to hang forty on you you have to figure things out quickly if you're maddie good thing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We have a good home record against.

[Isaiah Stamback]

The packers it's more than just maddie and we said this yesterday it's also the communication it's the execution of the players on the field because hebrew flues could call up and he could scheme up a perfect game but if that communication still isn't down pat if guys are still trying to figure out keys and assignments in real time doesn't matter if the recipe is perfect if you can't bake the cake the right way can i okay not can i do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So i'm dude of all the position groups for the green bay packers offense i'm least worried about the receivers really yeah i'm least worried about the about them really i really am really our secondary has been a problem yes primarily.

[Patrick Walker]

What position corner safety safety and probably.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Safety chunk plays chunk plays okay safety.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Safeties based upon the concepts that are ran by green bay packers offense the safeties will be under extreme duress extreme duress they have fun no it's not single high is not an option in this game i'm going to put it out there man not an option tell.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Me what you're welcome donald man's not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

An option because you don't have anybody right now that i'm also man outside.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Of duran can hear you expected to come back for this game if he.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Comes back he's the one guy that i feel comfortable playing man with but you're not playing man with one man you're playing man across the board yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

So so you don't prefer no limit man versus zone i prefer elim and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Man versus no zone okay zone okay so understand this the concepts that they run your man coverage has to be on point if you want to play man against them you're not in that position right now what you're what you're i could agree with your guys your.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Personnel i can agree with that so.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You'Re not in a position to play man i can agree i understand trayvon thinks he could play man right now he's not and he's not there yet i'm hoping that he can get back to old trayvon in his head and that's the thing about athletes and you think that you're fully healthy physically and you go out there and mentally you try to do the things that the old version of you used to do and and it's not working and you can't comprehend as to where the disconnect is because i feel one hundred but i'm not playing one hundred and you get exposed right so you have to go revisit and really there's a there's an awakening moment where you have to realize i'm not what i was and that is very difficult for players coming off of injuries it is very difficult when you acknowledge you have to face yourself in the mirror and say i'm not him anymore now how do i get back to being him or can i even get back to being him because something is missing yeah i think that's where trayvon's at right now he's in that situation where he's he has to he has to identify the fact that he's not the player he was okay he either has to a figure out where he's missing a missing in a step at or b realize okay i have to make an adjustment and face that hard truth that i'm just i don't have that same quickness that i had that's what i feel about that so man i don't believe is an option zone you're saying that because.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You just don't think they can execute.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It right now i don't fair personnel.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Wise i can agree with that and.

[Patrick Walker]

I would just throw into the fact that you're talking about diggs elam has been bad yeah i mean you look.

[Kyle Yeomans]

At my expectation of elam is not.

[Patrick Walker]

I get it and elam had a great preseason great training camp and you thought maybe you would see a step forward you're seeing what was happening in buffalo correct that's what we're seeing from kair elam he's been targeted twenty two times he's given up seventeen receptions for two hundred and fifty seven yards and two touchdowns that's worst in the nfl.

[Isaiah Stamback]

And that's mostly if not all in.

[Patrick Walker]

Zone right mostly in zone goes back.

[Isaiah Stamback]

To my point he's probably played four snaps i would prefer him in man over zone because most of that data is from him being in zone and.

[Patrick Walker]

That'S not that's just because that's all.

[Isaiah Stamback]

He'S played fair so show me him and man because i will say it's not all bad either with kyrie elam if you look at some of this go back to the giants game particularly look at some of those chunk plays he was successfully carrying so when it was a mixed coverage he was carrying his guy up the sideline and russ said no i'm coming off that and oh yeah wanda throw a different direction neighbors right there down the deep scene because the safeties are out of position right so i just i'm saying based on the small sample size i've seen with kair in man i've seen more air quote success there than with him in zone so it kind of but i do agree with isaiah it sounds.

[Patrick Walker]

Like you don't want to play zone because you don't want them to have to communicate with the safety safety that is i don't whereas you don't trust the communication you don't trust the safety group whereas isaiah you don't trust the talent in terms of the or the execution in terms of the cornerback position.

[Isaiah Stamback]

The physicality needs to okay so some.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Caliban zone so man's a no for me okay zone is going to be a problem because they flood zones meaning that their concepts they run two guys in the same area of one man's responsibility so they really put you in no man's land where you can't make the right decision the good news is from my perspective there's good news there is good news well first of all let me say their biggest threat to me okay outside of josh jacobs their biggest threat to me is their tight ends their tight ends are are really good in my opinion right undervalued they.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Have and we have a history of letting tight ends feast yes who's assignment.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Is that that's nickel and safety safety.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah so tucker kraft to me is a guy who can go for one hundred yards on you in a heartbeat yeah he's been really he's really freaking good and the main reason you know where he's getting most of his balls seems like we saw last st craft.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Is treating defenses like swiss cheese absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right in green bay so seem so so yeah so that's a problem where i feel like dallas there's a positive for dallas where i feel like there's a positive for dallas is a lot of the concepts they're either running really deep routes where jordan love has to have time right where they're sitting goals i'm talking about four goal routes at a time right just just stressing secondary just just go like old school madden bro seriously yeah or they're running a lot of underneath routes twelve yards and under a lot of them right they're relatively easy to dissect honestly based upon their formations there's a lot of tales that they're giving when you watch the film so our our secondary if we go back to what i suggested they do last week which was bend but don't break like they did against philadelphia week one you could play downhill on majority everything they are fully comfortable marching down the field that's their dink they're a dink and dunk type of offense they are okay on that a majority of their route concepts have a built in screen with their running back in there and they're tighting getting out the block on almost every play right so they always have an option to throw underneath and they're perfectly fine with that where i think they're susceptible is their interior offensive line yes there are three interior office alignment to me are not playing well i don't know what they're.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Supposed to be that's a huge positive because the cowboys exactly strength is the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Exact area of the defense exactly so.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Guess who they have on the interior defensive line one kenny clark who's traded from the packers who may have a revenge match of his own against the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Pack so who knows so the their left guard is a backup right now their center and their right guard are not playing great i believe that that if you're going to take advantage of green bay's offense it has to be from your interior defensive lineman that comes from the pass rush on the interior and it comes from your stopping the run because they run the same running scheme that you run the same running scheme that has been successful for javante williams is the same running scheme that that you that should work in your.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Favor because that's what you practice that's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What you practice against every single day so backside cutoffs wham blocks zones primarily josh jacobs getting to the edges having ability to press it cut back underneath like they you should be very familiar with their running game but you can shut down their running game and their passing game both from the interior d line so if you want to know why cleveland was so successful against against green bay go watch that field so.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Let me build on that really really.

[Patrick Walker]

After the break when we come back.

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[Patrick Walker]

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[Isaiah Stamback]

Thought nice he lost it i did got it back got it back okay so isaiah made a great point the the weakness in the packers offense is their interior offensive line the strength and dare i say the lone strength right now of the cowboys defense is the interior defensive line yep sprinkle in some added motivation for one kenny clark as josh so eloquently stated and now you're doing what i what what i feel is the best way to win any football game is your blowing up the pocket from the inside that's that's mission one but if you fail mission two it doesn't matter if you succeeded in mission one mission two then becomes now with jordan love tries to flush left or right can you keep contained and.

[Patrick Walker]

Get home and what has been the answer through the first week three weeks.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Of the season correct they've been unable.

[Patrick Walker]

To keep you cannot do that that's.

[Isaiah Stamback]

They haven't been able they haven't been able so again i don't want to put too much expectation on jadevion clowney but i will say he has to come in and unfortunately for him or fortunately for him because he wants to be dependent on like this so he's going to have to be a hero for them starting immediately because in helping them seal he's just as good in run defense as he is in the pass rush great because jordan love is going to try to escape when kenny clark osa and solly blow up the middle of that lane kenny jordan's going to get out of there he's not going to sit around waiting for the popcorn to get delivered right he's getting out of there now the question becomes whether it be sam over here james houston over here versus jadevian on the other side can you keep contained because if you allow jordan love to leak out that that's it the chains are.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Being moved talking about i guess the most dangerous aspects of what green bay is going to give you in terms of the offense of course you look at a matthew gold who is as advertised a guy that you wanted a first round wide receiver he's superbly talented and he's only going to get better he's a sure fire like elite wide receiver he's going to be in that tier with more maturity neighbors but right now right now my concern my biggest concern is don tavian wicks as far as a slot receiver that has chemistry with jordan love that knows where jordan love is going to be and is always there when he needs him his security blanket and as far as i know dallas is not great at covering slot receivers that guy is going to give you problems all day i'm very concerned about that man that's interesting because.

[Patrick Walker]

You'Ve got dobbs there you've got golden there you've got kraft who played maybe through injury a little bit last week he suffered a knee injury in week two was really they were doubtful to get him in that game last week and he played through it still had some production the fact that wicks is the guy that you bring up means that you're seeing something there i'm seeing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Something especially if if like patrick said if the interior offensive line is collapsing on jordan love and he's able to get outside of the pocket which by all measures we can agree that that is probably going to happen we're not going to be able to contain him on the outside he's going to get outside and the one guy that is in tune with jordan love all day every day and that is able to know exactly where he's going to go is dontavian wicks interesting what do you.

[Patrick Walker]

Think about the run game it's our.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Run game physical it's our run game it really is i i think that you need to cover up their guards because they do a good job of getting up to the second level once they get up to the second level it's almost impossible to get off their ball it's a wrap like they will they will gobble up your your linebackers i was going to use another term but they they will consume your second level defenders so don't let don't allow there's literally snapshots that i've taken of the film where their guards are uncovered they get up to the next level and there's like a wave of offensive linemen like three or four offensive linemen literally up to the next level and they're just looking for the next guy to block you can't allow those guys to be unimpeded to the second level otherwise you're in a world of trouble.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Facts here's what i would say to that is that i think this is going to be similar to what we saw against the bears in that the defensive interior they were able to redirect swift time and time again problem was once he was redirected and he was tasked with getting out on those edges your edge defenders didn't have the run defense capable of containing them so a lot of a lot of deandre swift's chunk runs came on the left and to the right but not in the dirty gaps no right so i think that's what's going to happen again and the thing is with josh jacobs is he's a pretty capable all around back as far as yeah he we know he's definitely he can muscle it in those a and b gaps much better than deandre they use him as a.

[Patrick Walker]

Receiver out of the backfield a lot.

[Isaiah Stamback]

He can bounce yeah if he bounces then then you know but you have clowning the redirect will be there i'm just serious that's right my point is.

[Patrick Walker]

Thought that was tongue in cheek for.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A second no no his his aggressiveness at the edge and being able to set the edge and discourage you from on especially versus one hundred percent i mean yeah i i hope they don't.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Put him out there i hate that we're in a position where we are relying on somebody who hasn't having to say j avion has to come in almost literally off the street and be the hero at the edge but he.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Has to be i would manage your expectations there because he's not going to give you what michael parsons gave you he's going similar to what you got from demarcus lawrence who was a great.

[Patrick Walker]

Run attacker if you understand what you need from him you hope that's the.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Case you hope that's the case but if he is at his peak right if he's at his elite form the best that he can do is offer you what demarcus lawrence i think at.

[Patrick Walker]

Some point you have to look kind of like how isaiah was saying look in the mirror and say i'm not that guy anymore i'm not saying that about jadavian clowney i'm saying that you've got to throw that away if you're guys like sam williams and dante fowler junior and marshawn neyland and all these other edge rushers that we've been hoping again hope is not a strategy but we're hoping that they take a step forward and they absolutely have not so you're asking jadavian clowney to come off the street and be a hero which that's the situation at hand have no choice and i completely understand that but that's what's so disappointing about the entire edge group as a whole they have to be better yes put houston and.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Clowney out there houston air five right here houston and clown i'm dead serious.

[Patrick Walker]

See what happens no seriously yeah shoddy said james houston's the guy who has shown you the most give him the.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Opportunity he want to switch some things up shot he said he wants things up it's going to trigger josh again you keep saying aq shoddy said he wants to change some things up shoddy said there could be a change in scheme change in personnel show let's see.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It show me the money morpheus from.

[Patrick Walker]

Matrix see what happens show me tomorrow we're going to preview the dallas offense against that green bay defense that is as advertised and has a guy that's pretty familiar face well you've got qb vision tomorrow get on the film you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Already have i know and lab coat.

[Patrick Walker]

Tomorrow and lab coat tomorrow because we didn't get to it today but we will have a double dip tomorrow on a thursday for patrick nosy walker for josh rodriguez isaiah stand back chris beam in the back i'm kyle yeomans saying so long from talking cowboys we'll see you tomorrow this has been a production of dallas cowboys dot com and the dallas cowboys football club.

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