Talkin’ Cowboys: Picken’ Apart the Blitz

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: Picken’ Apart the Blitz

Podcast: Talkin' Cowboys
Date: December 10, 2025
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Isaiah Stanback, Patrick No Cee Walker, Josh Rodriguez
Theme: Breaking down Cowboys-Vikings matchup, in-depth analysis of defensive and offensive strategies, and a deep dive into the Cowboys’ cornerback situation.

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Episode Overview

In this Wednesday episode, the Talkin' Cowboys crew meets to dissect the upcoming Cowboys vs. Vikings game, delivering granular film breakdowns and insider perspectives. The discussion centers around defensive scheme challenges posed by Minnesota, the Cowboys’ offensive line struggles and opportunities, and a transparent, at-times critical evaluation of Dallas' own personnel decisions—most notably, the future of star cornerback Trevon Diggs. The show balances sharp football talk with candid, personality-driven banter.

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Key Segments & Insights

Injury & Roster Updates

[05:32 - 09:01]

• Cowboys back on regular practice schedule after a busy stretch.
• Injury Report:
  • CeeDee Lamb: Progressing through concussion protocol with optimism he’ll play vs. Minnesota.
  • Jadeveon Clowney & Tyler Guyton: Expected to return, barring setbacks.
  • Trevon Diggs: Has 14 days left in his 21-day practice window to return from IR. Nearly played in Detroit, but the team wants to see more in practice before activating him.

“He was close, he was right there and they almost pulled the trigger on it, but they were like...let's give it a few more days.”
– Josh Rodriguez, [08:04]

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The Trevon Diggs Debate: Rotation, Future, and Fit

[09:06 - 19:42]

Rotation on Return

• Hosts predict Diggs will be on a snap count, rotating with Kaylin Carson and Savone Revel—especially since Carson's recent play has been promising.
• Patrick asks: If Diggs regains his ball-hawking form, would they play him full-time? Consensus: try both, see who performs.

Bigger Picture: Is Diggs Still Part of Cowboys’ Future?

• Most panelists feel Diggs’ future in Dallas is doubtful, citing contract, fit, and leadership issues:

“I find it hard to believe that Trevon Diggs is in the future cards for this franchise. That's just my gut feeling.”
– Kyle Yeomans, [11:35]

“I don't believe he fits the characteristics of this defense...I'm talking about character...I don't see that fitting here.”
– Isaiah Stanback, [15:02]

• The group outlines what would have to happen for Diggs to stick: he must play lights-out and mend a clear culture/communication rift with defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus.

“At the end of the day, two things have to occur...One is he has to return and play lights out...the other...can he and Matt Eberflus get along?”
– Josh Rodriguez, [16:10]

Leadership & Accountability

• Contrasts Diggs with other "big contract" Cowboys, noting most are leaders. Clear implication: despite talent, Diggs hasn’t seized that role.

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Film Room: Vikings Blitz & Defensive Scheme Breakdown

QB Vision: [25:27 - 41:56]

Brian Flores’ Blitz Strategy

• Vikings DC Brian Flores runs a straightforward but high-pressure defense. Not "exotic" in look, but highly aggressive and difficult to read.
• Defensive fronts:
  • Consistently present 3-4 and 4-3 “simple” looks.
  • Overhang linebackers cap the formation edges.
  • Challenge for Dallas: differentiating which linebacker is blitzing; there’s little in the way of “tells.”

“The look is going to look simple…But there’s slim…I have not been able to pick up on an indicator as to what gives away which guy is coming.”
– Isaiah Stanback, [29:10]

Interior Offensive Line Challenge

• The foundation of the Vikings defense is monstrous interior linemen: Javon Hargrave, Jonathan Allen, Jalen Redmond.
• In their 3-4 look with A-gap blitzers:
  • Guards and centers are isolated—there’s little help, making communication and execution vital.
  • Running backs regularly tasked with picking up blitzers right up the gut.

Vikings Blitz Rate & Dak Prescott’s Strengths

• Stat: Vikings blitz on 49% of snaps—8% higher than any other NFL team.
  • Dak’s career: typically outstanding against the blitz (106 QBR vs blitz; 97.6 vs non-blitz).
  • Caveat: These A-gap, close-quarters blitzes are atypical—harder for the offensive line, harder for the quarterback to step into throws.

“I can't stress enough. Guard play, guard play, guard play. If your guards don't have the game of their life, it's going to be a problem.”
– Isaiah Stanback, [35:35]

Coverages

• Secondary runs predominantly Cover 2/Cover 4/Cover 6, presenting a "bend-but-don't-break" shell meant to:
  • Keep plays in front, avoid big shots.
  • Force QBs to throw quickly under pressure, seeking tips, overthrows, and sacks.
  • Middle of the field and slants can be open, but the window closes quickly.

Notable Vikings Defenders

• Byron Murphy Jr. and Harrison Smith highlighted as key secondary playmakers.

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Scouting the Offense: Offensive Line Accountability

[49:05 - 53:05]

• Panel addresses offensive line’s need to bounce back after a “flat” performance in Detroit.
  • Candid locker room quotes from Cooper Beebe and Tyler Booker owning the lack of “juice”/effort vs. Lions.
• Vikings’ interior defense viewed as the toughest collective unit the Cowboys have faced all year, moreso than even the Eagles’ DL.

“This is head up. This is each one of the—all three office of interior linemen have their own battle. They can't help each other. That’s the difference.”
– Isaiah Stanback, [53:03]

• The line must “juice up” both physically and mentally—even more than correcting x’s and o’s, effort and focus will be under the microscope.

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Notable Quotes & Fun Moments

• Leadership & Contracts:

  “When you pay somebody at the top, there’s a responsibility that comes with that…It’s no different when you have the highest paycheck on one side of the ball—on defense—that comes with it.”
  – Isaiah Stanback, [18:18]

• Blitz Percentages:

  “49% on the season. That’s 8% higher than any other team in the league. Kyle, half the time they are blitzing.”
  – Kyle Yeomans, [34:24]

• Panel Chemistry:

  • Multiple running jokes about Captain Underpants, playfully accusing each other about Cowboys gear and underwear for team store discounts.
  • Banter on misfiring on handoffs (play calls) during the in-studio “film session.”

• Locker Room Candidness:

  “We didn’t have the kind of energy that we had been playing with in the last two games at home…we’re trying to figure out why that was.”
  – Cooper Beebe (quoted by Josh Rodriguez), [49:58]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [05:32] – Injury notes: Lamb, Diggs, Clowney, Guyton updates
• [09:06] – Trevon Diggs: Rotation plans, future speculation
• [15:02] – Isaiah on Diggs’ character fit in Dallas
• [18:05] – Paying leaders and culture expectations
• [25:47] – Start of QB Vision: Flores’ blitz philosophy
• [29:59] – O-line assignment problems vs. Vikings’ fronts
• [34:24] – Cowboys must counter a 49% blitz rate
• [41:56] – Recap and transition: O-line must “get their juice back”
• [49:05] – Cowboys OL candidness and the coming challenge
• [53:05] – Wrap-up: Each lineman must win their own 1-on-1 battle

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Summary: Takeaways for Cowboys Fans

• Vikings Defense: Simple—but relentless and confusing blitz packages that stress the Cowboys’ communication and physicality up front.
• Cowboys Offensive Line: Self-awareness and effort must return after a Detroit letdown. If the line can handle the Vikings’ unique pressure, Dallas should be in strong shape.
• Trevon Diggs Situation: The crew is skeptical of Diggs’ long-term Cowboys fit. His return will be rotational, and his role—and future—are murky unless he excels and bridges a clear culture gap with Matt Eberflus.
• Watch Number 55 (Eric Wilson): Vikings’ LB with unique blitz impact; keep an eye on him Sunday.
• Key to Victory: Score above 27 points—the Vikings’ defense is formidable but the offense is struggling; 27+ is a magic number.
• Overall: The Vikings’ record may be poor, but their defense is legit. This is a trap game unless Dallas executes with high energy and discipline up front.

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Next Episode:

• Cowboys defense vs. Vikings offense preview, more chat topics, plus Friday’s “Get Your Popcorn Ready” segment.

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This summary captures the tone, context, quotes, and essential analysis as delivered by the Talkin' Cowboys crew—with timestamps and direct speaker attribution for key moments.

Transcript

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Stanback]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

CD Lamb touchdown.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's on. Jake Ferguson. Prescott keeps it and he bangs it in for the touchdown.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And now you're hosts, Isaiah Stanback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans.

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[Isaiah Stanback]

In the SWBC studio.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Welcome in, everybody. We've got the whole cast and crew for it ready for you to rock today with Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stamback with Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman. So glad you're with us. Come on in. We've got a chance to preview that boy. A good chance to preview the Cowboys and the Vikings today. It is a Wednesday, which means today we do have some QB vision.

[Isaiah Stanback]

We gonna be all in you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What is that? Would you like?

[Patrick No See Walker]

What?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Would you like to say that again?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Pardon me. We're gonna be what? Alabinia?

[Kyle Yeomans]

In. In the business?

[Isaiah Stanback]

In the film.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In the film. Okay.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Okay.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You're talking to the film in this case.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah, I've been all up in the film. Yeah, I'm ready. All up and through.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's good.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Up in there. Let's go.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I've seen that tape.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Elbow deep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Did you.

[Isaiah Stanback]

How'd your thing go yesterday?

[Kyle Yeomans]

What thing?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Your press conference.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was one. That was Monday.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That was weeks ago. No, how'd it go? It was great.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Introducing Neil Brown as the new head coach at North Texas. It was awesome.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It was Jason Garrett.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was not Jason Garrett. There were a lot of fake names out there and Garrett was like AI photoed into a bunch of them and. Yeah, no, not. Not Jason saw your pictures.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Those were really cool.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I posted the pictures yesterday. I didn't him On Monday. I got him yesterday.

[Isaiah Stanback]

But.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, it went well. It was great.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Y' all will laugh at this. Oh, the president of the university was who I introduced to walk up on stage. Okay, so he's the president of the University of North Texas.

[Isaiah Stanback]

How knows people?

[Kyle Yeomans]

And as I was introducing him, I said, all right, I'd like to welcome to the stage Dr. President Keller. Or I said, Dr. Harrison Keller. And as I said it, I started say president of the United. And then I paused and I was. And everybody started laughing. The whole room, like started chuckling and.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I was like, quality. Dang it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's quality.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I was like, that sucks. I was like, I can't get that one back. So I, I finished it. I said, universe, the president of the University of North Texas. And I said, look, I'm just trying to give you a promotion.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Exactly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I was just making a joke.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That was nice.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But he followed it up. He's great. He does a great job. And honestly, I, I, I admire what he has done with the university. He stepped up. He goes, I'm not sure people would classify that as a promotion. And everybody was like, oh.

That'S funny. Throwing zingers at that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I love it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But yeah, other than that, it was really good. It was a lot of fun.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That's good, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thanks for asking that.

[Isaiah Stanback]

For shizzle. The funny thing is you told that story. My follow up question prior to you bringing that up was, what did you, what would you have done differently? Because I know you, you're going to analyze the crap out of your performance. I was about to ask that one. He let it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's the one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I was out. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For him to just put the record 7.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Red 7.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Still made the catch.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That's it. The wrong way. Nobody knows.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, but yeah, that would, that would be the one. And I also, I, I flubbed a, a word, like in the very open. It wasn't like major or anything. I just, yeah, but I, I would go back and look at it. You're right, though. I am.

[Isaiah Stanback]

We're pretty.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Correction.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, we are.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That I try and I try and correct what I can. All right, Pat, let's get into some news and notes today. We got a lot to talk about.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Hey, guys. Talking cowboy starts four. This for the comment section.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The comment section.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How many people.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Who cares, Care about it?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, my gosh, two.

[Patrick No See Walker]

They get upset.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't know, but they're still watching. Really quickly, here's every day for you. Shouts out to nerd girl. Asmr. First and foremost, Give it. Give it to her.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

She says her birthday is coming up on Sunday. So in the event that we forget to wish nerd girl ASMR a happy birthday before the week ends, let's go ahead and wish happy birthday. Everybody hop in the chat. The family hop in the chat and wish nerd girl ASMR a happy birthday.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, this song hits a slide whistle every time.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's been on that, that machine back there since When, Beamer? Probably 2016, when the Star was built.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Probably.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's probably been on there from the beginning of this studio.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's the slide whistle every time.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, it's my, my, my, my, my. Okay, so, news and notes, first and foremost. Just keep in mind the Cowboys are finally back on a regular schedule, at least for the next two weeks.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Thank you, Jesus.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, that feels like. But here we are.

[Patrick No See Walker]

So drop for a second. I'm like.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Beamer thanking Jesus now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We need to clip that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, we need to clip that. So Cowboys are back on the practice field today. Wednesday, they'll get back to it. In preparation for the Minnesota Vikings. Practice will be through Saturday morning. Final injury report will be issued on Friday, which means the first injury report will be issued today. We will get a good look this afternoon around 3 or 4 o'. Clock as far as the status of several people that we're keeping an eye on, most notably CD Lamb. CD Lamb is still working to clear his benchmarks so that he can hopefully clear concussion protocol before the Minnesota Vikings come to town. Word has it as of yesterday as well, he's still trending in the right direction. Cowboys are optimistic, but of course, as we all know, and I'll say it again, Cowboys have no say in the matter when it comes to a concussion protocol. Right.

[Isaiah Stanback]

So.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But good news is this CD Lamb, they've had several conversations with him. He's speaking with the medical staff. He's. He's going through what he needs to go through and he's on the right track. So hopefully he remains on the right track. Jadevion Clowney is expected to return to practice today, expected to play on Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings. Yeah. So barring any setbacks. And the same applies to Tyler Guyton as well. So Jadevion Clowney and Tyler Guyton are in the same boat in that they are both expected to return to action this Sunday night against the Vikings as long as there are no setbacks in practice this week for either of those guys. So that's great news as well.

Trayvon Diggs, that's the other headliner we will see because Trayvon Diggs was a gametime decision against Detroit. He did travel, but sounds as if they want to see more from him in practice before they activate him to the 53 man roster. Now his practice window has already been activated so he's seven days into that 21 day window as we have this conversation. Yeah, it's only 14 more days before they either have to activate him or he ends his season on ir.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Well, in Jerry's last available availability before the Detroit game, I felt like it was pretty clear that Trayvon was going to play in Detroit. What was the setback for that? Do we know?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Honestly, I don't think there was a setback per se and I wouldn't just.

[Patrick No See Walker]

This is a talking Cowboys me dude. I know that was Cowboys network take a lot.

[Isaiah Stanback]

The playoffs have started, sir. You didn't make the playoffs.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Fantasy both leagues. Wow, look at you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Playoffs. But no, I wouldn't use the word because some fans will run with the word setback and assume that that's what happened physically, but that's not the case. It's simply based upon conversations I've had based upon hearing Shoddy Shoddy's take on it, hearing Jerry and Stevens take on it. They simply want to see more from him. So it sounds like he was close, he was right there and they almost pulled the trigger on it, but they were like, you know what, let's give it a few more days. Which is fine because he literally returned to practice last week ahead of that Detroit Lions game, which was a Thursday game. So many by, you know, if he doesn't return after this many buy against the Vikings, then I'm going to start kind of flashing a red light on that and saying, you know, like what's, what's really going on there? So we'll see. But the injury report today will will tell quite a bit. As far as all of those gentlemen I I mentioned, what would you guys.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Be expecting from Trayvon Diggs in the Vikings game? Like particularly I just want to know what you guys are thinking. Like would it be a limited snap count situation or Trayvon or full traditional.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think it's going to be rotational no matter what happens coming back. But it also depends on the health of Kaylin Carson. To a certain extent.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Carson's earned some more snaps. Trayvon Diggs hasn't necessarily earned more snaps.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Has his contract has.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's kind of where I'm at is at this point in time has his play warranted him being a full Time starter. Probably not. I would see a rotation. He'll be the starter, he'll be the guy that goes out there. But I don't think he's going to play as much as he has in the past.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Is that what you want to see or is that just what you're expecting?

[Kyle Yeomans]

What I would want to see, I'll say with my chest. What I would want to see is more Caleb Carson. So I'm not saying that's going to happen. I just think there's more of a rotation than what it has been in the past.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's fair.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what I think will happen, is more of a rotation. I would like to see more Kalin Carson.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, I think you're right. I mean, because we talk about ramping up guys back from, you know, having missed time all the time. So this applies.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

To that situation. Trayvon Diggs, like Isaiah said yesterday, what are we now, six calendar weeks?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yep.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. Six calendar weeks. Five games removed. Yeah. Five games removed. Yeah. You're not just going to throw him out there and assume he's going to give you 100% of the defensive snap count in addition to trying to make sure that you and I posed this question to Eber Flutes, I believe, last week. And I got another question for you this week. Heber flu. See you tomorrow. I asked.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's tomorrow.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, it is tomorrow. I asked what's the, the challenge of having a guy like Trayvon Diggs come back all pro? The contract tied to it, the expectations tied to it. Cowboys need to see more from him this season with. Without accidentally curbing the progress of a guy like Sivone Revel, Kaylin Carson.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Because these guys need their reps as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, that's, that's why I want more.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Of Right positional coaches and just developing young guys as a whole. Okay. Well, you gotta be, you gotta be wise in how you do that rep count. So the ramp up gives you kind of an out to make sure that not only Trayvon Diggs is progressing in a way that doesn't force a setback, but also still allows you to get Savone Revel and Kaylin Carson on the field with hopefully a healthy amount of snaps because those guys have earned it as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I find it hard to believe that Trayvon Diggs is in the future cards for this franchise. That's just my gut feeling.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's not even the out is this offseason contract.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You're saying it with your.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But that's, that's what it looks like. I'm just reading the tea leaves is all it is, is contract wise, relationship wise, availability wise. All of those signs are pointing in one direction.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I agree.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And so if that's the case, not that Kaylin Carson has been a world beater at the cornerback position. That's not all. That's not what I'm saying here. I see the chat. They're like, I've seen enough of Kayla Carson. It's like, to be fair, not really.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, you haven't.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You've seen him banged up, playing through injury, and when he was finally healthy, actually played pretty decent for a guy who hasn't had a ton of experience.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And he's on your roster next year. There's no doubt about it to be here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So I want to see it. I just want to see it. I'm not saying it's going to be a world beater type of performance and he's the corner of the future, but I also want to know whether or not one of these first two or two first round picks are going to be needed for a cornerback. And I need to know if that's a possibility opposite of Daron Blandford. So let's play what we know, what we're going to have and at some point then those cards will fall where they may.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And for not trying to sound naive, but if Trayvon Diggs comes back and he looks like the Trayvon Diggs of old and he's a ball hawk and all of that, like, is that something that you would want to see more of in that case? Are you giving him more stops than.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You would to Kaylin Carson comes back and he's ballin'. Yeah, of course. I would love.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Even though he's. He may not be in your future cards going into next offseason, he comes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Back and he balls out for four weeks, which I just don't necessarily see happen.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Of course.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But if he does, there's no indication that gives you that sign.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Be in your cards for the future. So I'm cool with it. Try out both guys. Have both guys take significant snap counts and see what's going to happen.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Someone is being unusually quiet in terms of the Trayvon Diggs conversation.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Telepathically. I agree with Isaiah and I think.

[Patrick No See Walker]

We need to hear what is one coy. Isaiah, stand back.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Just, just, just want to make sure that we're on the same page.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, let's make.

[Isaiah Stanback]

We're talking about the highest paid defensive player on your. On your roster.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, currently. Yes.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yes, we are trying out.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's What I'm saying.

I just. I just. As I stated what I believe, I.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Just want to make sure that I'm clear. I don't want to assume. Mama used to always tell me that an assuming is not a good thing. Can't say that on there. But. But. But I want to make sure that we're talking about the same person. Right?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

How many weeks? Six.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Six.

[Isaiah Stanback]

How many games?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Four left.

[Isaiah Stanback]

$558,000 per game, right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why are you watching his pockets?

[Isaiah Stanback]

I'm not watching it. It's public information.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I urge you on a Wednesday.

[Josh Rodriguez]

His pockets are watching me.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You know how long it takes me to make $558,000?

[Patrick No See Walker]

How long?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Two shows.

[Isaiah Stanback]

A lot longer in one week?

[Kyle Yeomans]

One and a half.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Did you say two shows? Derek.

Let'S talk. Let's talk because clearly I need to renegotiate.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There are. There are.

[Isaiah Stanback]

We just got to wait and see. I am with you. I already said that. I said this earlier in the week. I don't foresee him being on the roster next year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Unless he just comes back and intercepts everything that comes his direction, I don't foresee it happening.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If he comes out and balls out and is a lockdown corner like we've.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Seen, even then I. Even then I don't see him staying. Even then I don't see him saying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is that anything or is that a team?

[Isaiah Stanback]

I think it's a he thing. I don't believe this is my opinion. I don't believe that he fits the characteristics of this defense. Not even talking about physical attributes. I'm talking about character.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'm talking about the team mindset. Sure.

[Isaiah Stanback]

All those. I don't believe that he fits it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, characteristics, but impact, character in all caps.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I don't know the man personally like that. I don't know him like that. So, I mean, I'm speaking upon what I've seen. I'm speaking upon how I've seen him move. You know, whether it be training camp, whether it be around the building, whether it be prep. That's how I perceive it. Okay. I could be completely wrong. That's just my opinion. I don't see that fitting here. So if he comes back and balls out, awesome, hopefully it helps the case. And the Cowboys potentially, you know, very slim chance making the playoffs. But ultimately, if he does that, he helps his case in terms of where he can go, because I think that they would use that as trade.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think the bigger question to your point is, all right, so we're talking to macro. When it comes to Trayvon Diggs. Yeah. Let's just. Let's just make it the micro. At the end of the day, two things have to occur for Trayvon Diggs to remain in the future for the Dallas Cowboys. One is he has to return and play lights out.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay. Has to really show the ball.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Hawk has to remind them of what his contract was.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right. Exactly. The other thing is, is he capable? I'm going to say you can't have one without the other. He could come back and ball out. If this other piece doesn't. Doesn't fit, it's still not going to work. And that other piece is. Can he and Matt Eberfluss get along? Because. And I'm not saying that they.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not getting.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm not saying that they're beefing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What I'm saying is that there's a clear rift between the two that's not being. It's being managed well. But there's this air there. Yeah, there's an air. And you can tell that there's an error. And if anyone's paying attention, that's not just us walking around the building. There are fans who've picked up on it. And all the fans are. Are Eber flus's videos on DallasCowboys.com.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I'm still.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's locked in.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah, I'm locked in. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, bro.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You ran the ball on the route. I'm just thinking he didn't even leave the line of script.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I'm just.

I'm still looking at the. Let the line judge.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But. But no, seriously, I think both of those things has to happen. Like he has to come back and ball out and remind everyone what he's capable of, including the front office. But he and my Eber flu, again, I'm not saying that they're beefing, but it's clear that he and Iberflus are not. Buddy, Buddy. You know what I mean? So Eber Flutes has to be convinced that he's bought in. And then at the same time, the Cowboys need to be convinced that Eber flutes is the D.C. of the future. So, I mean that their conversation seems to be.

[Isaiah Stanback]

But it's even beyond that. I agree. Let's add on top of that, go back to training camp, but go back to the off season. Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Like, this isn't just a football thing right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now it's been bubbling since the summer.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Since the summer. Right. So when you give somebody a contract. This is a former player talking.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'll Leave it there.

[Isaiah Stanback]

When you give somebody a big boy contract, the. The largest contract on that side of the ball, the big draws that you're paying them. Yes. For what they've shown you that they can do, but you're also paying them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For what they can do in the future.

[Isaiah Stanback]

In the future. And the culture that they can impose upon everybody else around them. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And it's.

[Isaiah Stanback]

When you pay somebody at the top, there's a responsibility that comes with that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's just.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's like a quarterback. You pay a quarterback, he's responsible, whether he wants to or not, for his actions and how he impacts everybody else around him. It just is what it is. It's no different when you have the highest paycheck on one side of the ball, on defense, that comes with it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can you give a quick example of that? CD Lamb? How much did we talk about CD Lamb and his ability to impact positively the locker room and the guys around him as a leader in the room prior to the contract? We talked about it, said, you need to see it. You need to see it. You need to see it. Finally you saw it. Then it gets paid and it's taken a step forward. He is a leader in that room. Dak, of course, he's a quarterback. That's going to happen regardless. Look at the other top quarterback or top contracts.

But in the building for sure here, it's fine. But look at the other top contracts on the roster right now. Dak Prescott, CD Lamb, Quinn and Williams, Tyler Smith, Daron Bland, Terrence Deal, Oso Digizua, Kenny Clark, Jake Ferguson. Would you say all of those guys are leaders at their position?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, absolutely. One guy that's a name in there is Trayvon Diggs. Would you agree that he is a leader at his position?

[Patrick No See Walker]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that's kind of where the conversation is just to add to what you know.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I agree. I thank you for the. For the information. There's. Yeah. There's nothing else to be said. I don't see him for. I don't foresee him being here. I hope that he gets healthy. I hope that he comes back and is able to have an impact. And I hope that the rest of his career is amazing. I just don't foresee it being here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. One thing that we've seen from Brian Schottenheimer in this one season now closing in on 12 months of being a head coach in the NFL, one thing he has consistently shown is that regardless of what the contract situation looks like, what the roster status looks like, what your ability is off the field and not, not even availability, whatever that ends up being. All of those factors. If you can play ball, you're getting snaps. If you're playing ball, you could get snaps. With the exception of maybe the linebacker room.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay, thank you for clarifying yesterday. I appreciate it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Every other spot on the roster, you can argue that that's been the case.

[Isaiah Stanback]

And also he's also in him and the rest of his organization has put everybody on notice. And we said this. Regardless of what your check says, if you don't fit what they want. Exactly, you're not here.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Agree.

[Isaiah Stanback]

One thing to say it, another thing to act on it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Agreed.

[Isaiah Stanback]

And they acted on it this year. And we said when that happened, everybody's been put on notice.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Tbd.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And it's been a tumultuous year for Trayvon Diggs, to say the least.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No doubt.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It just. I'll say this and we'll get to the break. And I've said this. I said it when it happened, actually before it happened. And I was like, if this thing goes left with Micah, I don't know how things get back right with the organization. Trayvon, things went left with Micah and what do you know, he was.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Ooh, right there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, nevermind.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Go ahead.

[Josh Rodriguez]

On to. On to QB Vision.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Real that one, buddy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, when we come back here on Talking Cowboys, we're going to QB Vision. We're going to preview the Cowboys offense taking on the Minnesota Vikings defense this week. More to come right after this.

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Totally. They have some talent.

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Yep. Some great talent.

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And they got some fight.

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Hoping this is the year.

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Back to Talking Cowboys.

Back here on Talking Cowboys. This segment of the show is brought to you by Invisalign. The official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. Patrick no see Walker. Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Hand things over to the nearly fired Isaiah. Back for some fire on his QB vision today. Let's time.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Let's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's hear it. Sound.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Wide 80.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wide 80. It's time. That was the problem last week, guys, with Isaiah Stanbach.

[Isaiah Stanback]

There we go. All right.

Let'S talk about the Minnesota Vikings. There's a defensive coordinator over there who's very well respected. Does anybody know his name?

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's his name?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Isaiah B Flow. B Flows. What they call. Ryan Flores, former head coach of the Miami Dog.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You always really liked him. I've always liked be Flo, his scheme and everything.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Very, very good dude. Very admirable individual. He. He says it with his chest at all times. He stands on business and he doesn't really lie. So things kind of come to fruition with him. He is impactful. He was one of the most respected defensive coordinators in the league simply because of the fact he does what Josh.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He's very good.

[Isaiah Stanback]

He's very good. He applies pressure.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I was like, where are you going?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Kevin Hart commercial. Kevin Hart. LeBron.

Yeah. He applies pressure. Okay. Be flow applies.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I was like, where are you going? Did not lead me anywhere.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I thought you were there. I thought you. That's a John Stockton pass.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Also.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You did not set me up for.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Success on that one.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Let me just.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I'm. We here, man.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I guess I'm Nick.

[Isaiah Stanback]

So wrong route.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Didn't leave a lot of scrimmage. And then you told him the wrong.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Wrong.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's like. It's like, Kyle, the best won car film is.

All right, all right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They're all good.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He's like foreign.

[Isaiah Stanback]

No. But let's get to it. Be Flow applies a lot of pressure and he does so not in the most. I want to say most elaborate or. I wouldn't say creative. But it's. It's not. What's the. What's the word I'm looking for?

I can't even think about the word. It's nothing crazy, right? You're not seeing people flying around.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Exotic.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah, there you. That's the word I was looking for. Exotic.

[Patrick No See Walker]

See, I got him there. Come on, man.

[Isaiah Stanback]

They're not exotic looks. You know, you face some defensive coordinators and when they're doing a lot of things that are confusing. They'll bring in guys from the corner, they're bringing guys from a safety position, safeties are running all over the place or at the line of scrimmage or running back. You have to identify who's coming, who's. It's not all that these guys line up very simplistic. It's almost the same look every time. They're going to come out in a three down line or they're going to come out in a four down line. And they like to place overhangs with their, their, with their linebackers. What I mean by overhangs is if you have a four down set, three linebackers, they like to walk their outside linebackers on each side, outside the tackle box or tight end box. They like to ensure that they always have a cap on your formation. Right. Meaning that they always are looking outside in. They don't want to be looking inside out. So if you come out in a base formation, two tight end set, one tight end down on each side, one right receiver on each side, you're going to come out is going to be four down linemen, one linebacker outside, your tight end on each side. It's going to be one linebacker in the middle of the field and these guys are going to be the two high shell. That's it. That's what you're going to see. Now the question is who's coming?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Exactly.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That's always the question. Now the scent, the look is. The look is going to look simple. Yeah, the look is always going to be simple. But you hardly. There's slim. I have not been able to pick up on an indicator as to what gives away which guy is coming right? Which guy is going to be the one that's bringing pressure. So format four man. Look, I honestly think that Dallas has an edge. You like what I did there? They have an edge on this edgeless defense. Because I think that if your interior offensive line can get a push, which is difficult against these big boys in the middle, because they got. They got Javon Hargrave, Jonathan Allen. They got some dudes in the middle, Jalen Redmond too. Jesus. They got some big monsters up front that makes it makes. It makes them feel confident having a light linebacker level, if that makes sense.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right.

[Isaiah Stanback]

There's not a lot going on in the middle of their defense in terms of numbers. And they feel confident in doing that and leaving that vacant because these guys are hard to move up front.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. They play sound at linebacker though.

[Isaiah Stanback]

They do play sound at linebacker and they're Aggressive at linebacker. But those linebackers are typically outside. Again, outside the box. If you can move these big mountains up front, which again is going to be. That's a challenge in itself. With those three monsters up front, you can run the ball because it's like waves, right? Anybody ever played horde mode on Gears of War?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's like it's only. You take out the first wave and then you expect another wave.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Call of Duty.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah. These guys have one wave. So it's that. It's that front line. That front line is solid. It's a solid wall. But if you can get and you can get a crack and get in past that front line, there's a lot of space. There's nobody there waiting for you at the second level. Right. You might have to break one tackle. So that's. That would be my suggestion and hope for Dallas that they can effectively run the ball, especially when they come out in this four, three look. Those four down linemen, again with somebody walking on the outside looking in, really, really ready to put their hands on the tight ends. Where I believe that they're most dangerous is when they come out in their three, four look, look. The reason why I think they're the most dangerous in that 3, 4 look is because they typically like to go to that. It varies based upon their opponent. Right. I don't understand. They ran a lot of three, four versus the Green Bay packers and they were able to get a lot of pressure against the Green Bay Packers. I think they saw something on film leading up to that game that gave them a boat of confidence that they can get pressure on Jordan Love all game long, which they did. The reason why I foresee. I think it's dangerous because they come out in that three man front. When you think about 3, 4 defense, you think that you. There's going to be a lot of running left lanes. Not the case with these guys. They come out with their nose tackle who's right over your center. Zero tech.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

They take their other two tackles, they walk them out to five text which places them between your guard and your tackle. Now they walk linebackers up into the A gap. Old school Mike Zimmer style. Yeah. All right. Old school Minnesota style.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Hey, we know him.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yep. They walk those linebackers up. So you have two linebackers that walk up until the to the A gaps. And you also have your other linebackers that walk out to the edge to still make sure that the cap is on top of the formation.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And they got some fast linebackers.

[Isaiah Stanback]

They have very van Vingel, those guys, I like him a lot. Van Ginkel, I've always liked him as a player. Now, who's coming? Which guy's got. You don't know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You truly don't know. So that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No indicators there.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Your center can't turn to each either direction. Your guards are forced to turn out because those five techniques are sitting on their outside shoulder. Your left guard is on his left shoulder. Your right guard, he's on the right shoulder. So your center's locked up. Your guards have to turn out. But yet you have two linebackers on each side of the center.

Creates a lot of huge problem. Now, usually both guys don't. They don't. They don't bring pressure with both linebackers. One of those guys is dropping out. But who has to block that man? If your center's locked up, your guards are occupied, who has to block that individual?

[Patrick No See Walker]

You're talking running back right there.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Running back has to step him up. You're running back. Now, being that he's so close to the quarterback, it kind of impedes the progress of a quarterback's drop, makes it very difficult, right? So because he's right on the outside shoulder the center, he can't. The center can't go anywhere. Your line, your running back is now being forced to try to hurry up and get up to the line of scrimmage, meet that linebacker, stop his progress while without impeding your quarterback's drop or throw or timing. Makes it very hard. So even though these are very simplistic looks, they create challenges because the communication and the execution of your blocks has to be on point. It will look the exact same almost every single play. But this time, hey, Josh, you're going this time. Hey, you know, no, see, you're going this time, right? They don't know either way. Your running back is freaking looking all day long. He can't get out in routes. He has to block in the A gaps. And your tackles and your guards have to communicate so well because guys are walked up, they're dropping out right now another guy's coming, and you got to get your eyes to the side. It. It's a lot going on without it looking like a lot going on, Right? So it's very simplistic for them to run, and it allows for them to play fast defensively. That's their front line.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can I ask a question?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Have you gotten to the blitz percentage yet? Have you talked. You know what, you're going to get to that?

[Isaiah Stanback]

I'm. I'm sure my analytics guy will get to that. I don't even have to look at it. It's high.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah. So I, I think it's the highest one top three.

[Kyle Yeomans]

49. Let's rate.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

On the season. That's 8% higher than any other team in the league. 49.

[Patrick No See Walker]

So that, that seems like a lot.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Kyle, half the time they are blitzing.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Now when I, when you say blitz, that means that they're bringing one extra.

[Kyle Yeomans]

One extra guy and, and you don't know who that guy is. You don't know because of the disguise and because of the way that they line up at the line of scrimmage. Based off of what you're just saying, when you look at Dak Prescott, what's one of the things that he's been very good against throughout his career?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Dak Prescott has 140 some odd percent completion QB rating versus blitz.

[Kyle Yeomans]

106 QB rating against the blitz. 97.6 against without a blitz with no blitz. So he's been better against the blitz than he has been without it. Does that change any kind of thinking from Brian Flores's sort of scheme, sort of scenario this week, knowing that he's going up against a quarterback that can read and decipher and change a blitz in order to have some success?

[Isaiah Stanback]

No, because these blitzes are different. Okay. That's what I saying versus normal. I'm not. Again, I'm not saying what dat can or can't do. Sure. But typically blitzes are not coming this close to your center. Typically blitzes are walk offline backer, he's able to identify it. Or outside pressure coming from the edge. I can see it. I can check to. This is different.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Identifiable is.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I mean these are, these are identifiable as well. But even when you identify it, my guards are occupied, my center's occupied. There's nobody that could turn to these guys. Unless we just squeeze right now. If we can't just squeeze every, every dog on prep, every protection because now they can start bringing guys from the outside. So there's really. You're gonna, you're in a deal. No pickle, you know, so like they have to figure that out. But I, I can't stress enough. Guard play, guard play, guard play. If your guards don't have the game of their life, it's going to be a problem. It's going to be a problem. Now if they, if they have a great game, you can, you can take care of these guys. Defensively, it shouldn't be a problem. But the communication has to be on point. That's their front line. That's where they propose problems to me. Their secondary, it's too high shell. These guys are playing cover two, cover four, cover six, cover two. Your corners stay up. Playing five yards off three defenders dropping underneath, two safeties over the top responsible for the half.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Cover four.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You have four guys playing in the secondary. Those guys are all playing a quarter of the field. They can play it on the outside like they're playing, man. Right. It doesn't have to look like off pressure, off coverage all the time. They could come up and press and still be responsible for their quarter of the field. Quarter. Cover six. One side is playing cover two, right? True. Cover two. The other side is playing cover four. And that's usually relatively easily identifiable by them. But what they're trying to do is they're trying to play off bend but don't break defense and saying, you can't beat us over the top. We're going to make you throw before you want to throw under pressure. And we're planning to get tips and overthrows or we're going to get sacks. That's what they want to do. They want you playing.

As a shell of who you are. You can't. If you run a five step or seven step drop, we want you running three step, right? Yes. We want you to speed up everything. You normally run your routes at 12 to 14 yards. You're running them at 5 today, buddy. You know what I'm saying? Like that's what they want you to do. So if you can run slants, they're butt naked open all day long.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, they're the middle of the field.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Middle of the field is wide open because those linebackers are not. Again, they're not at their traditional positions, right? Yeah. Slants you say like George Pickens. Yeah, he's pretty good at that. However, put some respect on the, on the number seven. Put some respect on number seven. Not for numbers, reasons. Numerous reasons.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He said no, she said they're number seven.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Byron Murphy Murphy Jr. Is a dude.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Where did he go to school?

[Isaiah Stanback]

You do? Yeah, he's a dude. He's a dude. So put some respect on him. Harrison Smith's been around for 122 years. He's still a great player. That's what I, that's what I see. That's what I got. Dallas communicates well and they execute their assignments in the blocking scheme, especially to running backs and guards. If they have good games, you have.

[Josh Rodriguez]

A good day and can this, this Vikings offense and defense, this team as a whole and we'll talk about the offense tomorrow. But all to Isaiah's point, I need everyone to understand that yes, the Vikings are losing a lot of games recently. The whooping they put on the Commanders notwithstanding, standing. Okay. But outside of that, which is an anomaly, this defense has kept them in every. Almost every single game. Yeah, absolutely. They have a couple of outliers. I think like the Chargers or whatever.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It kind of feels like the Cardinals going into this.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It kind of feels like this is a defense that's not good. Is averaging throughout their losses Only less than 26 points allowed per game.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And that's given the fact that who did they blow up against? They had, I think the Chargers dropped 30 plus on. They had two games that were kind of outliers that kind of raised that. So for the most part you could say if you remove those games, they're averaging in the low 20s as far as points allowed.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And in that time you had really terrible quarterback play which put the defense into very vicarious positions.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right. They're averaging in those losses. And we'll talk about the offense tomorrow. Less than 13 points a game. Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yikes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know what I mean? So point being to Isaiah's point, the Cowboys win this game if, let's say numbers wise, if they score more than 27 points vicariously, if they, if the Cowboys score more than 27 points against this defense in the Vikings feel pretty good about it. Cowboys should walk away with a win. Yeah, I think that's the magic number. 27 + get you a one against the Minnesota Vikings.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can I ask you about Eric Wilson? Linebacker, 27 pressures since Week 6. That was their bye week week. No other off ball linebacker in the NFL has more than 12 pressures in that, that same time span. So he's had 15 more pressures than any other off ball linebacker in the league. Is this just scheme or is he a good solid linebacker that you have to be aware?

[Isaiah Stanback]

I think all their linebackers are solid.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I really think so. I think they're all their linebackers. They're balls to the wall linebackers. Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's just the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And Wilson, by the way, for those that are going to be watching on Sunday, 55 is what he wears.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Not no indictment on him as a player. I think all their linebackers are good players. I think all their linebackers are freaking cut the cord type guys. Like freaking tensions on that cable. You cut the cable and those guys are going.

[Patrick No See Walker]

They're hitting you right Their sound and you have a lot of position flex with them. Like you're Saying they can rush and they can cover. And it's not that they're astounding in any of those particular areas more than the other. It's just that they're kind of good at all of those things.

[Isaiah Stanback]

They're really super athletic and super quick. They're first, first five yards is nasty.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Like, they're not necessarily the, like world beaters when it comes to open fields, you know, tackles and all this stuff. But like those in that box, them, they ain't on that box now. Like, them guys can go five yards and you're asking them to beat one guy. Oh, they're gonna do that. You're asking them to play in the gap and get to the quarterback, they are going loose cannon. I'm diving, grabbing, biting shoelaces with my teeth. Like whatever it is. Like, that's the type of guys they have. And when you have those, and this goes back to my point prior to getting Quinn and Williams on the team, when you have solid interior defensive linemen, it makes those linebackers jobs so much easier. I can't stress enough. Javon Hargrave, Jonathan Allen, Jalen Redmond, these are big dudes. They're not just big dudes. Jonathan Allen, very familiar with Jonathan Allen. Dominant defensive lineman. Hargrave has been around for a while. Very dominant. Jalen Redmond. Big, big old, old school looking nose, right?

61. But I mean, you see him looking.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Like clay face out there, you'll see.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Him lock up with. But you'll see him lock up with your center and he just, he's occupying that one guy and you think you can run by him, he'll just put one arm out and just snatch you up by your whole face. Yeah, right. He's just, he's just one of those big nasty dudes that's hard to move. So center and guard play has to be exceptional, otherwise it's going to be a rough night.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And guys, I know they just had a shutout against the Commanders, but I think a large part of that, I mean, granted, that's shocking, right? Shutting out a team like the Commanders. But they may have brought Jane Daniels back a little too soon. And the reason why I say that is he had nine completions on 20 attempts.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, not good.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Not good. Bob. This is a guy that just had a dislocated elbow earlier in the season and coming back, what, three weeks after that, maybe four. It's. Yeah, I think that they put him at a large disservice to his team getting him out there that soon. Granted, he looked fine in the hard knocks or whatever, but it was, I.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Don'T think this was the team to bring him back against. Yeah, it's a team that blitzes half the time, speeds up the clock for a guy, a young guy, a second year guy who was returning and trying to get his, his sea legs back as far as the speed of the game again.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That being said, they've never done that in Washington. They've never taken an offensive rookie of the year that won a Heisman in college and brought him back too quickly when they needed him to come back from injury. But you're, they've never done that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You're three and nine. What are you doing?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Never done that. Robert Griffin iii I, I don't think.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That'S ever the sound you hear right now is all of Baylor outside right.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Because Chris Beam is blowing a gas.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Brought it back off.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, when we come back here on Talking Cowboys, Isaiah mentioned the offensive line.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Josh mentioned the offensive line. Patrick mentioned the offensive line. Can this offensive line be fixed this week against the Minnesota Vikings? We'll talk about it right after this.

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[Isaiah Stanback]

Who are you, sir? Who are you?

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Josh didn't wear Cowboys.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Day. Fine thread count.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Want to see my draw?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Hey. Oh, no. Tidy Whitey's captain under P. I'm not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Even done with the read yet. Josh is trying to show his draw.

[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, like. Like Superman.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You can wear him like Superman if you want to.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Let me find out.

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As bro.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Like Captain underpants and the pose too.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I could have said socks.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But then you wouldn't.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Josh, Isaiah's literally looking up photo.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Is this the captain?

[Kyle Yeomans]

We got to keep going. We get. We don't have enough time for this. All right, Cowboys offensive line when it comes to this week against the.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That just.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's the.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's Rodriguez. I hate this. The Cowboys offensive line.

Against the Minnesota Vikings. Facing the blitz, facing those different linebackers and facing especially the big guys up front. Is this a good week to get back on track for the Cowboys offensive line or is this going to be one where they may struggle a little bit?

[Isaiah Stanback]

No.

[Patrick No See Walker]

All right, guys, I'll see you later.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's the test that they need after the test that they failed. That's the best way to put it. It's the test they need after the test.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I like that too.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And. And I did Josh. But I had a conversation with Cooper BB.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Exclusive interview from the locker room.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And it is.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Patrick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, see, wasn't even open yesterday.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It was on Tuesday. No, it was on. Was this today? Wednesday? It was on Monday. It was on Monday. Yeah. So. And it's up on the dot com.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I was drinking dot com.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Swallow faster. So.

So speaking with Cooper BB And Tyler Booker, a couple things. I love how candid they were. Two young leaders of the offensive line. They didn't pull any punches. Here's a quote from Cooper Bibi. Very, very transparent. He said, and I quote, we didn't have the kind of energy that we had been playing with in the last two games at home. I felt like we didn't have that kind of edge. We're trying to figure out why that was, but that's the biggest thing. I just didn't feel like we had that same fire, same juice. When we play the Eagles and the Chiefs at home, end quote. I think that's very key to note because they're going. That's really what's going to be the first and and primary determinant on if they can pass this test after failing last week's test. Right now there are variables and I'm not going to make any excuses for it because they get paid to go out and do it. So go out and do it. It. Bottom line. But it's also true that they had played so many games in short a period of time, it felt like they were flat in Detroit. It felt like they were playing tired in Detroit. Hate to say it. No excuses, because you needed that game. Absolutely got bailed out by the Philadelphia Eagles losing in, you know, the way they did against the Chargers. So now here's a mulligan. Here's a mulligan for your offensive line. And Tyler Booker said this offense will go as. As we go, as we take it. So the two young. Two of the young horses. Tyler Smith being another one of the young horses in the interior. You talk about how important it is for this offensive interior to win this game. We're talking about Cooper Beebe, Tyler Smith and Tyler Booker. And having spoken with Tyler Booker and Cooper Beebe, looks as if they understand not just that they. Because you hear the things about, oh, we need to bounce back and we need to do this. They've identified that they came out flat. They identified I to their quote. They didn't have the same juice, they didn't have the same energy. They didn't come out with the same fight. I expect that to change in a big way this Sunday.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Really.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I expect. I expect the energy and the juice.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Now as far as the exes and O's, that's tbd. Yeah. But I do expect better. Yeah. I expect that they will come out with a fire.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Especially having admitted openly on the record.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I respect that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That they didn't have that in Detroit.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It. I respect that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So now they know we're checking for that. This.

[Isaiah Stanback]

This is. This is the most challenging interior defensive line as a whole that they are going to go against all year long.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All year.

[Patrick No See Walker]

All year for the rest of the year.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Collectively, yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not including the first 14 weeks. You're talking about from here on out.

[Isaiah Stanback]

No, I'm just talking about as far as, like their challenges collectively as a unit, those three guys on the inside.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Collectively, it's as good as they've seen.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's the best that They've seen collectively over the Eagles. Yes. The Eagles have a dominant one person and they have. Jordan Davis is another big boy. Who's. Who's. Who's a horse. Right. There's two. This is three.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stanback]

They don't have one dominant guy.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Interesting.

[Isaiah Stanback]

But all three guys collectively as a unit, it's the most challenging that these three guys are going to face.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I can see what it. I see this.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I see what you're.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Because. Because when you're playing against the Eagles, you have opportunity to double one of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Those guys and feel like you can go.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You know what I'm saying?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Mono. The rest.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Giant car is a dominant player. You could double team.

[Josh Rodriguez]

This is head up.

[Isaiah Stanback]

This is head up. This is each one of the. All three office of interior linemen have their own battle. They can't help each other.

That's the difference.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We'll see how that turns out coming up on Sunday. Tomorrow we're going to preview the Cowboys defense up against the Minnesota Vikings.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So tomorrow we're also going to give them more topics to discuss in the chat.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's how the show works.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's how the show works.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're going to give them some.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Starting at 904 shouts out to the chat.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Patrick's also going to give some lab coat as well tomorrow. And then of course, Friday we got get your popcorn ready in the pit segment as well. Lots of fun we had on this full week of talking cowboys for Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long for talking cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys football club.

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