Talkin’ Cowboys: Pushed to the Edge

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: Pushed to the Edge

Podcast: Talkin' Cowboys
Date: October 30, 2025
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Patrick “No C” Walker, Isaiah Stanback, Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam (Producer)
Theme: Assessing the Dallas Cowboys’ playoff chances, debating defensive needs at the trade deadline, and previewing the upcoming matchup vs. the Arizona Cardinals.

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Episode Overview

This high-energy Thursday episode features the full Talkin' Cowboys crew debating whether the Dallas Cowboys are truly still in the playoff hunt, what moves (if any) should be made before the trade deadline, and a detailed preview of the defense’s challenge against the Arizona Cardinals. The conversation is rich with passionate debates, sharp football analysis, and the trademark camaraderie and banter that make the show a must-listen for Cowboys fans.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Is Dallas Still a Playoff Team? (03:20–06:06, 45:13–50:25)

• The Spark: Stephen Jones’ recent public optimism (“absolutely” the Cowboys are a playoff team) is scrutinized.

• Patrick “No C” Walker questions this optimism, citing hard stats to underline the Cowboys’ precarious position:

  “You have only a 24% chance of making playoffs... should the Cowboys lose to the Cardinals... their odds will drop... to only 15%.”
  — Patrick (46:08–46:48)

• The group weighs the reality of the NFC East standings, schedule difficulty, and whether a late-season rally is likely.

Notable Quote:

“You are in such a bad way right now... you have so much work to do to become consistently competitive and you also need other teams to start to figure out ways to lose games.”
— Patrick “No C” Walker (47:18)

2. How Many Wins Does Dallas Need? “The 8-8-1 Argument” (05:17–10:11)

• Isaiah predicts Dallas could sneak in as the NFC East #2 seed at 8-8-1, likening this season’s potential path to the 2011 Giants.
• The group discusses remaining schedule strengths, how the Cowboys could reach eight wins, and why the wild card race is wide open.
• Kyle and Patrick are more skeptical, noting there are crucial “must-win” games and that tiebreakers could loom large.

Notable Quote:

“I said I believe the Cowboys sneak into the playoffs in the number two spot in the NFC East with 8-8-1. That’s how they slide in.”
— Isaiah Stanback (05:17)

3. Trade Deadline Debate: Defensive Tackle vs. Edge Rusher (10:11–27:12)

Segment Highlight:

• The core debate: Where should Dallas reinforce the defense if making a deal before the trade deadline?
• Isaiah Strongly Advocates for a Defensive Tackle:
  • A dominant DT would “improve multiple positions” by freeing linebackers to make plays and shoring up run defense.
  • “If you could be remotely dominant or at least discouraging at one spot and take away one aspect of a game... now it’s process of elimination.” (12:13)
• Kyle and Patrick: Edge Rusher is the Bigger Need:
  • Edge is where the team is weakest and opposing QBs are benefiting from too much time in the pocket.
  • “Of those groups, the one that has had the strongest showing... is defensive tackle. You’re saying throw more at that and ignore the glaring issue at... defensive end.” — Patrick (21:08)
• Josh: Open to Either but Favors D-Tackle for Value:
  • It’s more realistic to get a high-level DT than a premier edge.
• Everyone Agrees: The Cowboys are unlikely to pry a true elite edge from another team due to cost and scarcity.
• Patrick speculates the front office may lean on the return of Perrion Winfrey as justification for inaction at DT.

Notable Quote:

“If you had to make one move, that one move at D-tackle improves multiple position groups. I would argue a pass rusher does the same.”
— Isaiah Stanback vs. Kyle Yeomans (20:07)

4. Preview: Cowboys Defense vs. Cardinals Offense (32:52–40:26)

• Quarterback Uncertainty: Is Dallas better off facing Jacoby Brissett’s pocket game or Kyler Murray’s dual-threat magic?
• Group discusses Murray’s history: 9-0 at AT&T Stadium (includes high school, college, and pro).
• McBride’s Emergence: Tight end Trey McBride is Arizona’s clearest weapon, especially with Brissett at QB (stat comparison: much better production with Brissett vs. Murray).
• Preparation Challenge: The defense must prep for both contrasting QB styles – which is daunting given their recent struggles.
• Key Defensive Flaw: Persistent issues in the secondary, especially when forced to play zone, leave them vulnerable whichever QB suits up for Arizona.

Notable Moment:

“Kyler Murray is undefeated in the building. He’s playing back at home, his job is at risk of being lost, and he’s playing... on Monday Night Football where the whole world is watching.”
— Isaiah Stanback (34:07)

5. The Science Lab: Breaking Down Playoff Odds & Front Office Mindset (Lab Coat Segment, 45:08–50:25)

• Patrick “No C” Walker’s feature delivers cold, statistical water on optimistic playoff talk.
• Emphasizes the meaning of “absolutely” and why statistical odds should drive reasoned urgency—and possibly more aggressive moves at the trade deadline.
• Suggests the front office’s public optimism might mask hesitancy to make bold trades.
• Final call: “Make trades, plural.” (50:25)

Memorable Quote:

“You absolutely have to win this game and every game going forward. But even in doing so, you [are] so far from it, mostly... In addition, other teams have to start falling apart.”
— Patrick “No C” Walker (49:10)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Patrick on Playoff Optimism:

  “Is this team eliminated from the playoffs? Absolutely not. That is how you use absolutely.” (49:43)

• Joshua’s Realism:

  “This 8-8-1 should not get you in the playoffs. But it has.” (09:53)

• Isaiah’s GM Philosophy:

  “If I was a general manager I want to be dominant somewhere... Where are you dominant? Nowhere.” (25:51)

• On Defensive Needs:

  “When you get a dominant D-tackle, all that’s doing is taking one or two of Osa or Kenny off the field.”
  — Kyle Yeomans (23:41)

• On Front Office Logic:

  “The fact that they have returned Perrion Winfrey to practice... means they’re going to apply belief there and tell themselves Winfrey is the solution.”
  — Patrick “No C” Walker (13:39)

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Timestamps to Key Segments

• Playoff odds and Stephen Jones’ quote: 03:20–06:06, 45:13–50:25
• 8-8-1 postseason possibility: 05:17–10:11
• Defensive trade target debate: 10:11–27:12
• Cardinals offensive preview (QB dilemma, McBride focus): 32:52–40:26
• Lab Coat Segment (Analytics/deadline urgency): 45:08–50:25

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Tone & Style

• Conversational & Spirited: The crew welcomes debate, mixing stats and logic with experience-based arguments—and plenty of jokes and good-natured jabs.
• Deeply Analytical: Regular injection of stats, historical context, and tactical football insight.
• Relatable & Fun: Moments of personal life + fantasy football banter give the episode the feel of insider access to a locker room discussion.

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Summary

For Cowboys fans anxious about the season’s trajectory, this episode delivers a reality check wrapped in compelling football conversation. The crew breaks down just how slim the playoff chances have become, weighs fiercely whether the Cowboys should target a defensive tackle or an edge rusher at the trade deadline, and sets the stage for a daunting matchup against Kyler Murray and the Cardinals. With passion, humor, and plenty of stats, the hosts capture both the hope and the hard truths of Cowboys Nation in a critical week.

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For more, tune in to the next episode—especially with the trade deadline looming and the fate of the season very much “on the edge.”

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End of summary

Transcript

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[Kyle Yeomans]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the Star in Frisco cd.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Lamb. It's on. Jake Ferguson.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Pescock keeps and he bangs it into the touchdown. And now your hosts, Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. It's a terrific Thursday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle coffee company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas, in the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody. We've got the whole cast and crew ready to rock today. The whole cast? All of it. Patrick.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

See Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You guys go ahead and spin around.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Come on.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

If you. Rumor has it Chris Beam was in the back.

[Isaiah Stamback]

He is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. He's definitely in the back.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Oh.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Credible sources. Chris Beam is in the bat.

[Isaiah Stamback]

We would never reveal our sources if.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you have never joined Talking Cowboys.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Welcome.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Welcome. First off. Oh, you're in for a wild one.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Welcome to the Fan every day.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Every day. But specifically today. We're already off to a hot start.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And guess what. You ain't going nowhere.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You got to know if you also know if you ever had a question on whether or not we enjoy working together day in and day out and we get tired of each other. That hasn't happened yet.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, we don't. We enjoy it.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

A little crazy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The seven minutes before the show. I. I think I've laughed more in those seven minutes than I have over the last seven days.

[Isaiah Stamback]

We need to be hunting.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We need a little bit of that. We need a little lightness on top of all the darkness we see.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Every darkness, everybody.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like the way you put that.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I hate the back of wood.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Welcome in the Talking Cowboys, everybody. It is a Thursday. We're gonna have lab code in the third segment. So Patrick no. See, Walker's gonna drop some.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Science.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Absolutely.

[Isaiah Stamback]

What are we talking about?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Today in lab coat.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Listen, the Cowboys.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

We are talking about the possible.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay, that's good.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

It ain't.

[Kyle Yeomans]

At least we're on topic.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

It ain't pretty. Smash. Smash. We're just gonna talk about. Stephen Jones said earlier this week when he was asked on 1053 the fan if the Cowboys are still a playoff team. If you still view the Cowboys as a playoff team. And he said, absolutely. That absolutely has stuck in my craw ever since.

[Isaiah Stamback]

In your what?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

In my craw.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not in the craw.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

In my crawl.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Where is that located?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

It's a family show.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Oh, gotcha. I was curious.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Never heard of it. At least sometimes never heard of it. Yeah, no, it's a. Well, okay. You're not from the South.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I'm not from the South.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

You're not from the South. Yeah. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Northwest South.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah. Something sticking in your craw is absolutely a Southern phrase. Oh, yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

It's a thing.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

So we'll. We'll talk about that because. Absolutely.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What term would you use in Washington? Is it like grinding your.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Throwing him the side?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Buttering your. Let's get grinding your ears?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Was not in the hood.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And they were just grinding my gears with that whole thing.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Irking is probably a good one.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah. So same. Okay. It irked me. Stuck in McCraw little residue.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Please, Patrick, when you talk about Stephen Jones saying that.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Stick around.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Playoff.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah. So let's just say we'll talk about how absolutely shouldn't have a subjective definition based on who's answering the question.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Okay.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah. Is the Cow. Are the Cowboys a playoff team? We'll talk about that in lab coat.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Nice.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Coming up in segment three, we're going to, of course, preview the Dallas defense going up against the Arizona Cardinals offense in the second segment.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I did the Lord's work the other day.

[Chris Beam]

Did you?

[Isaiah Stamback]

I did.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Does that.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I believe it was on Tuesday when I was on Good Morning Football. They were talking about. They were talking about. No, no, no. Listen. I represent our people. Okay.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

This is people.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Okay. They were asking about Cinderella teams. They said Cinderella teams.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I said, I. I don't like the.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Term Cinderella, but they were pretty much saying, like, teams that you have to be aware of that could get into the playoffs based upon their current standings.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Right.

[Commercial Announcer]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stamback]

And I.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So teams that are under the radar.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Under the radar because of the start. Exactly. And I went to bat for the Cowboys. I went to bat for the Cowboys and I said that the Cowboys get into play because I truly believe it. I said, I believe the Cowboys Sneak into the playoffs and the number two spot in the NFC east with eight. Eight and one. That's what I said. I think they get in with 8, 8 and 1. That's how they slide into the playoffs.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So what will you.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Giants 07. No. 11.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

11. 2011. So you think they're. They could be the 2011 Giants. Yes.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That's when I walked away with jewelry.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You can see that.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

That's why you had the date, Bernie. Yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I was a potato.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The only part of me that disagrees. We've talked about this before. This team is not as far off as you think.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And there are ways to fix it now. And that's why I think all of us collectively have said, please do something in the next week and a half.

[Isaiah Stamback]

How many days? No, it's less than that. How many days now?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Five days now. Yeah, it's next Tuesday.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Tuesday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So with all that being said, they're not too far off, but with the schedule that they have in front of them, it is not easy.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You know what? It was worse before the season started.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

What was worse?

[Isaiah Stamback]

The schedule was worse.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The team. I mean, that's always.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Oh, yeah, you mean.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Because that's the parody of the NFL.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. But you've already lost to the Broncos.

[Isaiah Stamback]

And I hear you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Panthers.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I hear you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And both of those teams going into the year you probably would have said you had a shot against, but not the Broncos.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's actually proving his point, though, because before the season started, that skit, that part of the schedule looked a lot leaner than it did now that we're currently in it. And the Panthers and the Broncos both look a lot better than you kind of expected going into the season, Right?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. I'm kind of with you. And I don't think those powerhouse teams that you're expecting at the end of the schedule are quite the same. Look at. I mean, the Vikings we were talking about is like Washington, I don't know. Washington, I don't know. Even the Chiefs to some extent, Granted, they're kind of back on track.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Chargers are better than what you thought they were going into the year. Of course, the Eagles, the Chiefs and the Lions are still juggernauts in this league. The Raiders probably aren't. You anticipated that being a win, and they're not going to go down with without a fight. You think Ashton Genti is going to have something to say about playing against the Cowboys after growing up in Frisco? I mean, he's.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He hasn't had a lot to say.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Well, he can have whatever he wants to say with the whole line is something to say.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Is Bowers healthy?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

No matter what I think and what really I think.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I think eight wins. I truly think eight, eight and one.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility at all. I think that's fair.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Would that get you in an 8.

[Isaiah Stamback]

8 and 1 in the NFC East?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yes.

[Isaiah Stamback]

In the NFC. Yes.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

With the commander stumbling. It might. It might very well. But what's going to the. The ratchet in the, in the gears is really going to be if you somehow survive Philly. And I believe you can't survive Philly because you almost beat Philly, but that's still going to be a mark.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's going to be a dunk.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The tall.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

So Philly, Kansas City, who looks back on track? The Detroit Lions powerhouse. You don't know what you get from the Vikings tossup, maybe Chargers. We already know Herbert is playing.

[Isaiah Stamback]

He's playing.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

He's playing. If you somehow survive that, those, the fact that your last two games are division, division games.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You need five.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Could, could very well fall right into Isaiah's point.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think you need six.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I'm. I'm giving five.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This is fair.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Giving five.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I'm giving.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I mean, who, I think who they take.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I'm not making any predictions yet. It's not Friday, but you got Arizona, you got the Raiders. I think you. Minnesota. I think you win that 1, 2, 3. Washington and New York.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You got a shot to win all of those games.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Absolutely.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That's what I think. Eight, eight and one.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I think you split with Washington.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I do, too.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

But you've already taken.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You've already won one.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

So that means, and that means.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You know what? I don't.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

So here's what I'm saying is so maybe Philly in that you split with Washington because at that point, if it, even if it plays out to what you're saying, that means that Week 17 game might be deciding between Washington and the Cowboys who gets the wild card spot. So Washington is going to play out of their mind. And oh, by the way, you're in Washington now. Granted, Dak Prescott excels in Washington, but still, nonetheless, I mean commanders Washington, Washington.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Is having a lot of issues right now. They've lost their right.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

They're not getting Dorrance back for the year.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah. So they've lost a lot of positions that are of influential.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Austin Eckler out for the year.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Eckler's gone. I think scary Terry is Hindered I don't know that he'll be himself this year because that quad is just.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Both of those receivers are not 100% quad.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Is the quad. Obviously they don't. So I just think that they're compromising defense.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Is this defense?

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, but so true. At least not to throw water on the. The conversation or anything. But I think that goes to the point that you're going to make in science lab too. It's like this. I don't think there's a playoff team.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Oh, okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So question being that this881 should not get you in the playoff.

[Isaiah Stamback]

It should not. It should not.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

But it has. It has.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Okay, real quick with the. Because this is our. We'll have one more show. Two more shows before the trade. Yeah, three actually. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Tuesday is going to be basically a trade deadline preview for sure. Yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Positional need and then they'll wait until.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Our show is over to make a move.

[Isaiah Stamback]

One position, if you were to make a move. What position right now?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Defensive tackle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Edge rusher.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Edge rush. Edge Edge Tackle.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Tackle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And you think that you're going defensive line either way, you think the edge.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Is going to make a big difference?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Nobody's giving up their premier defensive edge rusher.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not yet.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And I wouldn't be willing to give up. I wouldn't be willing to give the composition they have to give to get an edge right now. I wouldn't be willing to give up the composition that you have to agree.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Give to which is fair.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'd be willing to give up the compensation for to get a second tier.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Because you're going to get a second tier right defensive air driver if you get one. You're going to get a second tier edge rusher. You're not going to get the premiere.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I think I can agree with that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And you're going to have to overpay.

[Isaiah Stamback]

When you think about premier, you think about Crosby, Hutchinson, Micah Garrett. Those are premier.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah. Russia got locked up.

[Isaiah Stamback]

So he's people beneath that are second tier.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

There's not disrespect.

[Isaiah Stamback]

It just is what it is. There's levels of everything. You would be getting a second tier edge rusher and you would have to give up something hefty in order to get them in a team that's going to give them up. Probably has other passes consider better than them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm not making that move if it's not unless it's for an elite.

[Isaiah Stamback]

And nobody's giving up an elite pass rusher.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Probably not signing them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's the point.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Is what they're doing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So to that point, that's why I feel strongly about.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I think somebody would give up a premier D tackle.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I also feel like linebackers in their process as well.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Probably someone might also give up a premier safety. Yeah, I don't think if it's a.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Team safety, you definitely need help at safety. But I think the greatest impact, the greatest impact is a D tackle. Because if you have a. If you bring in a great D tackle, a great, not a good, A great D tackle and you put him next to Clark and osa, I think that you now are formidable against the run. And if you could be formidable and take away something that the opposing team can do, well, yes. Now you can focus on one aspect that you're weak. Right now you're trying to focus on multiple.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So to get solidify one to be.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Mid at a couple spots, you're mid.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Right.

[Isaiah Stamback]

If you could be remotely dominant or at least discouraging at one spot and take away one aspect of a game. Now all of a sudden, now it's process of elimination. I can negate what you're doing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And that improves linebacker play as well.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Absolutely. The linebackers that you have would be the benefactors of a solid D line. Think about all the great defenses. Honestly, think about the great defenses in history. They all had solid D lines.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Oh yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

We can't all agree on the D line for sure. I'm not talking about edge.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

No, you're talking the D interior D.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Ends don't help linebackers be great. The tackles help linebackers be great. So if you can't turn over your linebackers and you have talented linebackers that just need, need some assistance because they're getting blocked by 300 pounders, get the dominant D tackles and all of a sudden your linebackers become better because what do they do do best?

[Josh Rodriguez]

And I like it. I like. The point that you're making though is that getting a defensive tackle would improve not only defensive tackle and sure up the defensive line, but also the linebacker. Whereas an edge rusher would only improve.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Exactly. Let me paint this, this, this context for you. And I don't disagree. I don't disagree.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Everything you're saying is right.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

But let me. And this is. Kyle's going to love this because it segues right to the rundown.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I completely disagree with Isaiah and that rarely happens.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Here's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That rarely happens.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Here's why I don't believe they will trade for defensive tackle number one. You already did that.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Okay.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

That. I don't see them doing it. Twice in one season. But also, and this is not from a me standpoint, I'm telling you what, their thought process is going to be understood. Who returned to practice yesterday?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Perry on Winfrey.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Okay. Now you can have the conversation all the live long day about, oh, is that going to be enough? I don't know that it will be. So I agree that it may not be enough in that if you were going to entertain it, you wouldn't let Perry on Winfrey stop you from entertaining it. That's my stance. However, let's flip to the, to the front office's thought process. The fact that they have returned Perry on Winfrey to practice five days, six days yesterday, six days ahead of the trade deadline, which means they haven't seen Perry on Winfrey on the field yet. They're going to apply belief there and they're going to tell themselves that Perry on Winfrey is the solution behind Kenny Clark and alongside OSA and Sally. I'm telling you, that's what they're going to tell me. I understand what you're saying. I would love to be incorrect, but I'm telling you based on covering this team and their moves and their thought processes.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I respect your expert.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

That's what they're looking at. All right. Not that I agree, but that's what.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Outside of Perry on Winfrey so that we can get back on track. Outside of.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

No, this is on track because part of the rundown was Perry on Winfrey.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Perry on Winfrey. We can't have any expectations of him right now.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No.

[Isaiah Stamback]

So let's move him to the side as should. Let's move him.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

We can, as analysts. As analysts, push him to the side.

[Chris Beam]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Until he. Till we see it. Who's behind Clark? Name the two people.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

It's Mazi and Toa. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Switching tackle. Yeah.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I don't.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So you're going to go.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I'm still going.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I'm going to go. You're a dominant det. Not a, Not a good one. Not a contributor. A dominant. I'm talking about somebody who walks up to the line of scrimmage. You see him and Kenny Clark next to each other and you're like, crap, let's go to the outside. And where your linebackers go. We can run a hit. There's no question about that. Does anybody have any questions about our current linebackers ability to run and hit unimpeded by offensive linemen? Nope. No. So you automatically get better. You automatically get better. Your running defense, your run rush defense gets substantially better.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Your.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Your ability for your Linebackers to build their confidence and run and hit and do what they do best, increases by changing 1%. But one position. If you get a defensive end, yes, you can improve in the pastures until they put somebody else over there to help block and then what everybody else. Every other position is still the same. Your rush defense still didn't improve. Your linebackers are still having the same issues they have. You can solve a lot with this defense. The safety position needs help because their communication has been Pepe Le Pew. But in terms of impacting the front 7D tackle. Get it. And there's teams that are struggling right now that have dominant D tackles. There are teams that are willing to say, hey, we're in. In the crapper.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

You want him now to point. And I'm going to throw this to Kyle. How many teams are struggling with a dominant pass rush off the edge?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Nobody's given. That's the thing.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Nobody's what I'm saying. Like it's possible to still struggle with an elite.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Name five dominant defensive ends in this league. Dominant.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You just named most of them and they're Garrett Crosby.

[Isaiah Stamback]

And are any of those teams giving up their guys?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Absolutely.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Absolutely.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

So we.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Since we all agree Las Vegas may be looking for it.

[Isaiah Stamback]

We all agree.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We all agree one of them are great.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah. We all agree that they are not giving. You're not giving up a dominant defensive end. You're not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

So do you believe that for the right price?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think for the right price for.

[Isaiah Stamback]

What Dallas is willing to give up. Let's just.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But then no, we don't. We don't know what Dallas is.

[Isaiah Stamback]

We definitely don't. We definitely know some of these guys are going to require. If you want to get a dominant defensive end. You're talking. You're in a conversation of a first and a couple of twos, threes. Like you're. You're giving up.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But we don't know what Dallas is willing to give.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Exactly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't know what they are willing to do.

[Isaiah Stamback]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And if. If one of player. If there's a capital to do it and it's going to secure you an elite level at edge rusher. I think it will be possible or it is possible that that that can happen.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You know, I don't disagree. Everything is possible. However, the probability of any of these teams giving up their elite passwords. We just went through it.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Sure.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Micah, you just had.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

You just had Mike.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's the nature of the position. Pass rushers are premier and they cost more Defensive tackles are not that flashy premier position, so they don't cost as much.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's why I want.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's why you want is fine. I get it. Shoring, Shoring up what you've got on the inside of that interior defensive line is going to help your football team. I don't disagree there, but I'm also going to raise you the fact that this isn't the only spot on the defense that needs, that needs help. You need help everywhere else.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

You do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And you already, if you would argue out of defensive tackle, edge rusher, linebacker, corner safety, who has played the best out of those five position groups on the defensive side, my answer would be the interior of the defensive line.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Even more reason to get a dominant guy. But when you can be more dominant.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But the second Kenny Clark is out.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

What are you going to do?

[Isaiah Stamback]

What do you do?

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's not out.

[Isaiah Stamback]

He was almost out.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He was almost, but he's not.

[Josh Rodriguez]

This guy was going to fall at that point.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

They're, they're going to say, you can.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Say that with anything. You could say, oh, when, what happens?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Whenever. But Dak Presser cuts out.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What happens when Jake, can you disappear? You can have that same conversation with anything.

[Isaiah Stamback]

But can you disagree?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's go have seven defensive tackles that can football and allow for the rest of our defense to fall apart.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You have one, you have one that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You got three.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You have one. You have one that discourages the opposing team from running up the middle.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

One.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Let me ask you, let me ask you. Let's keep it 100 question. What's the most important position in all of football?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Quarterback.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Quarterback. Okay, so if you harass, terrorize and take down the quarterback, you probably.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, but you can see, probably seen it though. You can scheme.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

You can scheme.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't know. You can sack quarterback five times in a single game and not win.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I heard that earlier this year. Come on, man.

[Isaiah Stamback]

There's a handful of guys. There's like. Again, we just went down the list of the handful of guys that can single handedly disrupt your game. Like, like I'm saying, like you can circle them and say, these guys are different. These guys are different. Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, Hutchinson, Micah. Outside of that, there's a handful of other guys that you're like, okay, these guys, they can affect the game, but you're not fearful of anybody else outside of those guys. Maybe Hunter down there in and with the Houston Texans. Other than that, there's some really good pass rushers, but they're not those guys. Right you know what I'm saying? Those guys are premier, like cream of the crop. Like pay those guys whatever the heck they want because they're that dominant. Outside of that, there's not. You can literally discourage teams from running the ball straight. Straight. That's where your issue is.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

And then they're just going to drop back and pass.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. And then they're going to throw it.

[Isaiah Stamback]

All under in terms of they're going.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To have all day to pass.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You had to make one move. This is my question. If you had to make one move, that one move at D tackle improves multiple position groups.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I would argue a pass rusher does the same.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Not even a little bit.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It gives not even less time the.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Football even a little bit.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Teams have all day to throw the football.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

They're filing taxes in the pocket.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What have we talked about with these mobile quarterbacks? When they get outside the pocket, how does that affect your secondary?

[Isaiah Stamback]

When they break, contain, how do they.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Get outside the pocket?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Stress your line bad.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I'm not arguing. You're not fixing. I'm not arguing that you're. That you don't have other issues. We understand that. That's what I'm saying is if you had to make one move, what move is going to be the most impactful for your entire defense?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

But here's what. Here's where Kyle and I. Correct me if I'm wrong. Here's where Kyle and I stand in. In relation to your.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, you win and got a pass rusher.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

As it stands, safety, Davion Clowney.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Safety, cornerback, linebacker, defensive end, defensive tackle. Of those groups, the team, the group that has had the strongest showing for the most part of the season is defensive tackle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

You're saying throw more at that and ignore the glaring issue at one of the weakest points of your attack, which is defensive end. Which also, whether you agree or not, it's. It's true, Isaiah. It also helps impact what happens on the back end because if you're pressuring these quarterbacks and you're knocking them off the spot and you're keeping contained, that helps keep them in the pocket. Guess what? Now your defensive tackles, when they penetrate, they can get to them. Windows get shortened on the back end, but when they break, when they break, contain, linebackers get stressed, cornerbacks get stressed, secondaries get safeties stressed, and then chunk plays explosive downfield. So I'm right there with Kyle right here.

[Isaiah Stamback]

So let me give you a different perspective from, from a quarterback perspective. Yes. I can promise you I was less concerned about DNS than I was about D tackles.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Because you can move.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Completely understand.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I can move.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

They're not. Not all of them can move.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Absolutely. But guess what? I'm telling you. If you have two dominant defensive linemen, how many offensive linemen are required to block them?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Probably two. Three to four.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Three. Three to four. So now, now your defensive ends now have what?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Singled up.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You singled up. Right. One on one matchups. Correct.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't disagree. That's how football works.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

We're not disagreeing, Isaiah. But you're disagreeing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

You're saying not even the impact for an upgrade. Let's upgrade.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Philadelphia Eagles.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Where do you. Not up the middle. However. Do they have a dominant pass rusher right now?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

But do they have pass rushes who can impact the game? Do the Cowboys have pass rushers who can impact the game? And I'm not talking about easy Eagles. He's progressing. But for the most part, at least the Eagles have who edge rushers that are serviceable. At least.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think getting you a defensive tackle and shoring up that spot makes those pass rushers better.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Better.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

And you can argue. You could argue.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You can argue on both sides. You can argue on both sides.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Rusher can impact positively the defensive test.

[Isaiah Stamback]

But you're not going to get an elite.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Here's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Here's my upgrade. Zay, you didn't need anything there. Your best defensive tackle right now tell.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You it's less impactful than a D tackle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm just telling you your best defensive tackles right now are Kenny Clark and OSA Digi Zua. That's a good one two punch on the inside of your defensive line.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

When you look outside, you've got a growing Donovan as a rock and you have James Houston who have made the most impact at your edge rusher spot. Nothing against those two guys, but you can upgrade at that position.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

When you go get a dominant defensive tackle, all that's doing is taking one or two of OSA or Kenny off the field.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Not true.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And then it's just. I get it. Are you going to play three defensive tackles?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Do you consider OSA to be a true, true one technique?

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, he's a three technique.

[Isaiah Stamback]

He's a three technique.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's always been.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Can he play five?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Probably not.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Absolutely he can.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't know. He hasn't done a whole lot of that. Here's my thing. I don't disagree with you that they can be better at stopping the run and I don't disagree with you that having another dominant defensive tackle can help Your linebackers. All of that is factual. All of that can be happening. But I think when you have your main problem right now as quarterbacks having time to throw, picking apart your secondary and a secondary that is stretched so thin at safety and and at cornerback that anything you can do to take time off their plate, you're going to do so. Stopping the run has always been secondary in this defense and still they do that better than they do at stopping the pass right now.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

And that's what.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that's why I want to pass what we are. And real quick, I don't disagree with anything you're saying.

[Isaiah Stamback]

You want to be mid everywhere.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

No, here's what I'm saying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I want to be serviceable on defense first of all which is the whole.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Point does no ball. You're right. We agree. Isaiah knows what we're not debating. I'm not disagreeing for the gentleman the chat. That's saying what Kyle and no see are missing is that the losses are predicated upon the Cowboys run defense. Okay, we're not missing that. What we're saying is the Cowboys made a trade for a three time Pro Bowler. Yes. Okay. So and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And they paid $80 million to their three technique.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Exactly. So in their mind and before week five I'll say the run defense showed it could do some things before week five. And going through now you have how many instances of the pass rush impacting the game positively? Maybe one one New York. That's all you got. So we're not. We're not missing the point of the run defense needs to be what it is. We're saying you are so deficient in impact on the edges versus your ability to impact the middle of the defense that you have to attack the weakest point when you're adding talent. That's all we're saying. We're not saying they're world beaters that stopping the run. We're saying they can't change the game.

[Isaiah Stamback]

We have different approach. If I was a general manager I want to be dominant somewhere. I don't want to. I don't want to be. I want to be in. In a couple places. I want to be dominant somewhere. Where are you dominant?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Nowhere.

[Isaiah Stamback]

I want to be dominant in the middle. Take away something that they do. I don't want them to have the ability to feel comfortable and confident doing everything because I have one guy who may or may not get to the quarterback at a 70.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

We don't have disagreeing that. Our point being Kyle and I Our point being you can be Dominant in the middle. Wonderful. That's wonderful.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Would love that, Love that.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

But the quarterback having time to throw, being able to break contained to stress. Your linebackers and your secondary that's oh by the way, suffering so many injuries they don't know what to do with themselves. Why would you cool, you can stop the run and then Russell Wilson is going to come in and throw for 500 yards.

[Isaiah Stamback]

What Josh and I are saying is your guys that you have that you don't feel comfortable and confident with right now become serviceable when you are able to dominate in one area. We're saying if you had to make one change to make the biggest ripple effect, D tackle does that. It makes your defensive ends have one on one matchups. It allows all your linebackers to run and hit everybody. That whole front seven gets better.

[Kyle Yeomans]

As, as I just said and we do have to go to break. As I just said. I, I, I think you've already gotten solid defensive tackle play and it hasn't mattered outside. That's, that's the point from, from me.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Solid, not dominant.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Correct. Solid. Do you not dominant?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Are you even remotely solid on the edge? Even remotely?

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, not even close. Okay, great job everybody.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Good job, Josh.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, well done. Josh says.

[Isaiah Stamback]

All right, we'll be back with more.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Talking cowboys after this.

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[Patrick Nosie Walker]

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[Patrick Nosie Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Some great talent.

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[Josh Rodriguez]

That was the biggest sway of a segment ever. I mean, that was a very long first segment, but the way we got into it starting the show, it was so good by the time we ended the segment. That's hilarious.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Sorry I came with the curveball.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

See, but we're.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, I like it, though.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're football guys. Yeah, right. Like football. Part of the podcasting space and part of this game and why we love it so much are the debates that come out of it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Of course.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, and as long as you're able to be civil in a debate and debate with your brothers, civilized, it's. It's legitimately one of the most fun things so good that you could possibly do. That's why people love fantasy football, because you get to fight with everybody.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I got in a fight with my best man at my wedding yesterday because he meddled in a trade I was trying to make on my. My Dynasty league. Got mad at him.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Crazy. Oh, you sound like super villain.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm telling you, I was legit from thundercats.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's trying to be Adam Schefter for our league and also try and be a GM in our league. And it's a conflict of interest where, like, he knows whatever conflict of interest.

[Josh Rodriguez]

In the use of fantasy football is insane.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

But this conflict of interest we getting into all the legalities.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Kyle has filed an injunction on his best friend.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I was trying to get his draft picks taken away, so I actually did. I've got a text message. I said, I would like to file a former or formal complaint.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Kyle's like, and I would have gotten away with it, too.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And your friend's like, I'll take that up with the GM if it were for you kids.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Oh, man.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He says, nah, nah. Says, nah.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They all downvote. Shut up, Kyle. All right, let's get into the defensive preview here for the.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

The.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Cowboys defense taking on the Arizona Cardinals offense. We talked a lot about the. The Cardinals defense and how they are going to combat Dak Prescott and company in yesterday's show. So if you haven't already, go check it out. But of course, Arizona doesn't really know what's going on on the offensive side of things, except for one guy, and his name is Trey McBride. He's had an incredible year. He is taking steps forward from the tight end position. One of the leading threats at the tight end position through the NFL with what quarterback, though? But that's the point. Kyler Murray has been out the last couple of weeks. Jacoby Brissette has been playing pretty good football as the backup there. Kyler is questionable going into this matchup. I think Arizona believes he's playing.

[Isaiah Stamback]

He's playing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It looks like he is going to play AT&T Stadium.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Exactly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He is nine and oh. All time at AT&T Stad includes high school.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

College, five and oh in high school.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't like those words.

[Kyle Yeomans]

At Allen High School. Five and oh. He won three state championships at Allen High School. Then he went one and O at Texas A and M, one and O at Oklahoma. And then he's two and OH with the Arizona Cardinals to make his nine zero record.

[Josh Rodriguez]

At least he's never embarrassed us on Monday Night Football, right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

That.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That already happened.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, yeah.

[Isaiah Stamback]

So you're saying that Kyler Murray is undefeated in the building. He's playing back at home, his job is at risk of being lost, and he's playing on only night, the only game on Monday Night Football where the whole world is watching.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And Call of Duty is not out yet.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So battlefield and against one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah, I think one of you think.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He'S in there being nice.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Why the worst? Just stay with your chest.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's not Friday yet, buddy.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

The facts are the facts. They are the worst.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Where Jeremy Bright likes better at quarterback.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's good question.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Interesting. Probably Jacoby. Honestly, no.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, definitely Jacoby.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You think so?

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, I know so. Based upon the stats, 21 games with Kyler Murray, three touchdowns. Was it three games with Jacoby Brissette, three touchdowns.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, very interesting.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

That is the math. More math thing.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Two games. My fault. 21 games with Murray, nine yard average, three touchdowns, 67 yards per game. Brissette, two games, 12 yards. I mean 12. 12 catches a game. Nine. Or is it 12 targets a game? I fault. Nine receptions, 73 receiving yards, three touchdowns.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

So what you're saying is more yards.

[Isaiah Stamback]

More attempts, more catch, more catches. Same amount of touchdowns in two games versus 21 games.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

So the way 21. Trey McBride is to play Calamari. Exactly. All right. That was solved.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was on the rundown. That was how to stop trading.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well done, everybody.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Pack it in.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That'll do it. In our finale episode.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you could do us a favor, Coach Gannon, that would be great.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, but on a serious note, who would Dallas want to see a quarterback? Jacoby Brissette. More of a pocket passer, solidified player.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I'm serious. I'm serious. It doesn't matter. Here's why it doesn't matter. Because you don't want to see Kyler Murray's little Video game self running all over the field, extending plays, moving the chains, etc, because you can't keep contained. But at the same, maybe trade for an interester. But if, if it's Jacoby Brissette more of a pocket guy. Well, the problem with that is you have a secondary that's struggling to cover, primarily because they're being asked to do something that they're not comfortable doing, which is zone coverage.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

And we talked about this earlier this week. Isaiah, you bought the feature for from Josh that the Cowboys would break the 50% mark on. Man, they moved in the wrong direction. So now you just, you just don't know what you're going to get. So you have to assume that it's going to be another zone heavy situation. And so Jacoby Brissette, he's a veteran, a lot of skins on the wall. He knows how to read zone coverage.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The Cowboys rather see Uncle Rico play quarterback.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

No, I don't know Uncle Rico. Uncle Rico throw it over those mountains.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, that's true.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

What if the Cowboys need to be giving up chump plays?

[Josh Rodriguez]

So, all right, so even Uncle Rico.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Would give the Dallas Cowboys or Napoleon when he threw the pork chop. I mean, you know, I think it's sidearm action.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think diagnosing this defense for Jacoby present would be a lot easier than Kyler Murray. The offense doesn't look as crisp with Kyler Murray in the backfield, but granted, it's that dual threat that's going to give you problems either way. I don't think you like either matchup for the Dallas defense because again, like we've talked about many times this whole week, basically the Dallas Cowboys are the worst defense in the NFL. You don't want to see either of them. So give me Kyler Murray.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, give me Kyler Murray.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Take Kyler.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah. Because their, their past concepts are completely different when Kyler Murray's in the game.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Do tell.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, it's just basic stuff. I mean, they do bootleg freaking all the time. They bootleg, bootleg, bootleg.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because they want him out of the pocket.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

They want him out of the pocket. Exactly.

[Isaiah Stamback]

So getting them out of the pocket. Now, obviously he's a threat to run, so you have to have. But that's one of the things that Cowboys linebackers actually do. Well, they run, right? They run, they can run, they can hit. So you can have guys that can match him. I don't say match him, but at least keep up with him athletically. And the concepts are pretty predictable. They're relatively predictable. Once he gets out of the pocket and you start talking about bootleg. There's only so many different routes that you can run.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Well, as long as we have good communication in the second.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah, you could pass it off.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

But. But do you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is it tough for a defense.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I figured I'd just LeBron that for you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is it tough for a defense to. To have both quarterbacks on their mind going into a matchup when they haven't had the best success? Whenever it comes to preparation in the early parts of the week, you get an extra day.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Going into Monday Night Football, but they're having the plan for both Jacoby Brissette and for Kyler.

[Isaiah Stamback]

They feel the same way we feel. I think they have a good inkling that. That Tyler Murray's most likely going to play. And again, if you have. If. If Jacoby Brissette was going to sit back in a bubble and you guys are obviously not happy with the pass rush, then I would much rather have a Kyler Murray that likes to get out the pocket where he's out the bubble, and now I have opportunity to.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Go get them.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Pop that bubble.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I just. I just don't feel like that was a good bubble. Pop bubble, buddy. Spongebob reference. I just. I feel like you have to prepare for both, and I feel like as a veteran defensive coordinator in the NFL, you should be well versed in doing so, because on any given week, you're going to run up against a situation where you know it might be an injury, and you just don't know which quarterback is going to start. So this. This won't be your first time having to prep for two quarterbacks. And then like you said, Kyle, great point. You have an added day to do that. So there is no excuse to be unprepared, regardless of which quarterback is back there. Now, being prepared is one thing. Check. Hopefully. So what, what that preparation looks like as far as what scheme you're going to call, what does that preparation look like as far as translating to execution or lack thereof? Communication or lack thereof. That's where for me, I've seen so many instances of things falling apart in those latter two categories for the Cowboys defense that be it Jacoby Brissette or Kyler Murray, you're equally in trouble because of injuries, because of schematic issues, because of communication issues, because of execution issues, and because of effort issues. So, like you said, it could be Uncle Rico back there. You're in trouble until you're not in trouble. Trouble with this cat.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Cowboys defense, you're in trouble until you show me otherwise.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, we got to take our second break. We ran long in the first segment. We want to give enough time for lab coat here on this Thursday of Talking Cowboys. Pat's already given us the tease. We've got it coming up when we come back with more talking right after this.

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[Patrick Nosie Walker]

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[Isaiah Stamback]

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[Isaiah Stamback]

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[Patrick Nosie Walker]

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[Patrick Nosie Walker]

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[Patrick Nosie Walker]

So Stephen Jones. Oh, my friend. So 10:53. The fan asked Stephen Jones earlier this week if he still believes this Cowboys team at 3, 4 and 1, with the worst defense in the league, could still be a playoff team with the worst. The worst. Oh, yeah. I don't have a problem with optimism. Have a problem with speaking indefinites when definites are not, you know, in play. Okay, so Stephen Jones, you know, he said absolutely. Again, I don't have a problem with the optimism. I don't have a problem with the context he's using to paint it. But absolutely just doesn't work for me. Definition of absolutely, folks. And I'm pulling this right from the gullet of Webster themselves. Absolute. With no qualification, restriction or limitation. Totally. Okay. So with no equivocation.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Totally.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

This Dallas Cowboys team can be a playoff team this season. Here's my problem with that. At 3, 4 and 1. Let's just look at the numbers. You have only a 14, 24, 24% chance of making playoffs. 24% chance of making the playoffs at.

[Isaiah Stamback]

3, 4 and 1.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Doesn't seem very good.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Doesn't seem very good.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Not good.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

There's a greater than three fourths chance that you will miss the playoffs. As we have this conversation at the time of that question being answered, should the Cowboys lose to the Cardinals on Monday night, they will drop to 3, 5 and 1 and their odds will fall off a cliff and it will go from 24% to only 15% chance of making that playoff.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Robert, that is not good.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Now your next question is. Might be. Well, no, see, if they defeat the Cardinals, that's got to be good. Of course it's good. Wins are always good. Getting back to.500, giving yourself a chance in a division that outside of the Eagles, are still trying to figure stuff out. That's. That's great. That's good. It's also true, though, that it will only improve your chances of making the playoffs by 3%. So you'd go from 24% chance of not making the playoffs to 27% chance of not making the playoffs should you beat the Cardinals. So will there be ground gained? Yes, if you beat the Cardinals. But I say all of that to say, you are in such a bad way right now. You have so much work to do to become consistently competitive and you also need other teams to start to figure out ways to lose games. You need both of those things to happen for you to begin to have even a remotely solid chance of making the playoffs. So, again, I appreciate optimism and I appreciate all of the context as far as who's coming back. Help us on the way. Demarvion and Sivone, we'll see what he can be, et cetera, et cetera. But the fact is, you are so far from absolute right now that you should not allow that optimism to blind you to things like, well, maybe we shouldn't make a trade because we have a guy like Perry on Winfrey coming back who has not played a game for the Cowboys yet in the regular season. That's my point and that's my concern, is that when you start saying things like we absolutely can be now, I'm afraid that you're letting that do this for you.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Maybe he knows something you don't know.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

He absolutely does. He works upstairs, Upstairs, upstairs that we work upstairs, but he works upstairs.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Maybe he's talking about in contest outside of maybe after Tuesday.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Maybe the front office will always know more than what we know, even though we do the digging to try to figure out what they know.

[Isaiah Stamback]

Dirk Diggler.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

My point being, regardless of what he knows, even if they make a blockbuster trade, even if they make a blockbuster trade, it doesn't change the fact that defeating the Cardinals only improves your playoff chances by 3% to 27% overall. Losing to the Cardinals drops because you play them before the trade deadline drops you to only 15 chance.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Are you saying this is do or die, Patrick?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

No, see, I am saying this is do. I'm not gonna say it's do or die, but I'm saying it's due. Or you might as well just order your casket lining.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, I'm gonna put that on the T shirt. Do or might as well order your casket lining.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Like, what is that velvet? Like, that's what I'm saying. So you absolutely have to win this game in every game going forward. But even in doing so, you so far from it, mostly that's interesting. In addition to other teams have to start falling apart.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So you said the fifth, you said there's 15% chance if they lose to.

[Isaiah Stamback]

The Cardinals, plus 3 or minus 9%.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Chance of making the playoffs. Defeat the Cardinals, you have a 27% chance of making the playoffs.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But either one of those, zero.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

So there is.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I hear no bell.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Is this team eliminated from the playoffs? Absolutely not. That is how you use. Absolutely.

[Isaiah Stamback]

What if you tie?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I don't like. I don't like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I ain't hear no bell.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I ain't hear no bell.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Optimism reigns supreme. At times.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

You're right, though. So flipping it to the other side of the point, if you want to use, if you want to speak indefinite and unequivocations, then you could say, absolutely, the Cowboys still have a chance of making the playoffs. But you cannot, you cannot reasonably say the Cowboys are absolutely still a playoff team right now. They are far from that. Make the trades plural.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's how you solve that whole debate in the first segment is just go get yourself an elite. Get yourself and get yourself an elite defensive tackle. And then we're all porque no los dos if we get them both.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

How about, hey, first of all, shouts out to Melvin. Shouts out to Melvin because even though he's being cheeky, which is what Melvin does. What do you know about weird science? What do you know about the classic legendary cinema?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh my God.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

That is weird science. I know why you said oh my God.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh my God.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Because that ushered a lot of young men into adulthood. Back to you, Kyle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, thanks, guys. That's gonna do it for us here on Talking Cowboys. Thanks for joining us here on this Thursday with Public Access tomorrow. Tomorrow it is say it with your chest Friday as we've already done plenty of that throughout the week. But hope you'll join us 9am Central Time for Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stamback, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans saying so long from Talking Cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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