Talkin’ Cowboys: Share the Wealth

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys Podcast Summary

Episode: "Share the Wealth"
Date: October 15, 2025
Hosts: Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stanback, Patrick No See Walker, Chris Beam, Kyle Yeomans
Location: The Star in Frisco, TX

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Episode Overview

This Wednesday edition of Talkin’ Cowboys finds the entire crew back together to discuss the Dallas Cowboys’ ongoing season, the importance of sharing offensive opportunities, and a detailed preview of the upcoming game against Dan Quinn’s Washington Commanders defense. The episode blends team news, off-field banter, nostalgic moments, and deep X’s and O’s around the matchup, focusing heavily on roster updates and matchup strategy for the Cowboys offense.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Team Banter & Show Tradition (01:21–06:44)

• The gang returns after a day off, setting a light tone with jokes about "The Rico Dance" and show in-jokes.
• Isaiah Stanback is ribbed for doing the “Rico Dance” on Good Morning Football without acknowledging Talkin’ Cowboys.
• Isaiah defends himself:

  "Wherever I am here, upstairs, on the toilet or in freaking Good Morning Football, I’m... I represent my people...I am my brother’s keeper." (03:23–03:51, Isaiah Stanback)

• The crew discusses the importance of giving shoutouts and show identity—playful but heartfelt.

2. Cowboys News & Roster Updates (08:58–12:35)

• Patrick No See Walker delivers team news: Cowboys return to practice, prepping to face the Commanders.

• Key injury/roster notes:

  • Optimism for return of CeeDee Lamb and Kevontae Turpin (09:07–09:30)
  • Kayin Carson (defensive back) and Jonathan Mingo (receiver) expected to be activated to the 53-man roster.
  • WR Jalen Cropper was waived, likely to clear room (hopes to retain him on the practice squad).
  • Uncertainty around who will be released/shifted next to fit all roster moves.

• Panel discusses whether Kayin Carson’s return is an actual reset for him and how much to expect right away.

  "This is his final clean slate. ...you see what you hope you were getting out of the draft and in his opening training camp." (12:41–13:17, Josh Rodriguez)

• More banter ensues about old video games and broken PlayStations—delivering a relatable, personal touch.

3. Kayin Carson’s Comeback and Defensive Depth (16:33–19:55)

• The panel revisits Kayin Carson’s injury struggles and shoulder issues:

  "He told me about the shoulder struggles also, and how that compromised his ability to tackle. ...when your shoulder is popping in and out... you lose the willingness to go hit." (16:39–17:03, Patrick No See Walker)

• Carson is viewed not as a one-chance athlete—he’ll get continued opportunities, especially given competition like Kaiir Elam.
• Brief discussion of other rehabbing defensive contributors (e.g., Savone Revel), noting limited updates and some skepticism about the true pace of recovery.

4. Commanders Defense Film Breakdown (QB Vision with Isaiah) (26:06–36:39)

Personnel Overview (26:06–28:44)

• Dan Quinn’s defense: Familiar pieces but not as dominant as years past.
  • Former Cowboys Dorrance Armstrong, Duron Payne ("still a dude"), Javon Kinlaw, Marshon Lattimore, Von Miller (playing out his career as a situational rusher).
  • Praise especially for LB Bobby Wagner and Frankie Luvu as elite tacklers and field generals:

  "Bobby Wagner is still one heck of a middle linebacker in this league. ...just seems to not age." (28:09–28:42, Isaiah Stanback)

Scheme & Strengths (29:18–36:39)

• Expect heavy 4-man fronts, loaded boxes, single high safety, and frequent rotations between Cover 1 & Cover 3.

• Key stat: 6th in the league in sacks (18 total) due to scheme and linebacker blitzes.

• Their pass defense is vulnerable—bottom six in the league—but run defense is merely serviceable.

• Strategic offense advice:

  • "Don’t get in third and long... These guys are going to press you. They’re going to bring pressure." (30:30–31:13, Isaiah Stanback)
  • Linebacker and interior blitzes are the most common source of pressure.

• When asked about coverage:

  "They are manning. ...These guys want to get up to the line of scrimmage and put hands on you. ...But if you can get that effective running game going, you can throw the ball all day long because they don’t have one corner that can take away what you do passing wise. Not one." (32:04–33:10, Isaiah Stanback)

Analytic Breakdown

• While they play zone (Cover 3) 36% of the time, true man/press coverage happens on half their snaps.
• Scheme disguises are minimal:

  "...when they run two, it’s the most obvious thing. ...They don’t disguise it at all." (39:57–40:03, Chris Beam & Isaiah Stanback)

How to Beat Them

• Exploit the lack of elite corners and slow safeties.
• CeeDee Lamb and Turpin’s return will test DC personnel depth.
• Success hinges on establishing a run game and hitting quick-breaking routes to avoid holding the ball under pressure.

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5. Sharing the Wealth: Target Distribution for Cowboys’ Pass Catchers (44:18–51:19)

• With CeeDee Lamb, George Pickens, and Jake Ferguson thriving, how do you divide targets?

  "Three huge appetites, one pizza. How do you slice it?" (44:52–45:01, Josh Rodriguez & Isaiah Stanback)

• Patrick No See Walker: Avoid force-feeding—take what the defense offers each play.

  "It’s a new pizza every play...You take what the defense is giving you." (45:03–45:32, Patrick No See Walker)

• Consensus: Opportunities will ebb and flow. Some weeks one star will shine, other times another—winning trumps stats.

• Critical Point: The offense hasn't yet balanced getting both Lamb and Pickens involved heavily at the same time. Will need to as defenses adapt.

  "Through the first six weeks, we have not seen them have an emphasis on getting both guys ample opportunity early in the game." (46:25–47:09, Josh Rodriguez)

• The group discusses whether Dak Prescott should ever need to throw 40+ times—a situation they hope to avoid, as it suggests playing from behind.

  "If you rely on Derek Prescott throwing 40 times, you’re just opening yourself up for issues. ...It’s consistency and running the ball and being able to spell in those things." (48:35–48:39, Chris Beam)

• Converting first downs, sustaining drives, keeping the defense off the field, and capitalizing on each possession are the highest priorities given the defense’s recent struggles.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I am my brother’s keeper.” (03:51, Isaiah Stanback, on repping the show everywhere)
• “This is his final clean slate. ...You get the opportunity, you get him out there and you see what you hope you were getting out of the draft.” (12:41–13:17, Josh Rodriguez, on Kayin Carson)
• "Don't get in third and long. ...I wish I had more to give you. ...These guys are going to press you. These guys are going to bring pressure." (30:30–31:13, Isaiah Stanback)
• "It’s a new pizza every play. ...You take what the defense is giving you." (45:03–45:32, Patrick No See Walker)
• "If you rely on Derek Prescott throwing 40 times, you’re just opening yourself up for issues." (48:35–48:39, Chris Beam)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Team Banter & Show Identity: 01:21–06:44
• News & Notes / Roster Status: 08:58–12:35
• Kayin Carson/Defensive Updates: 16:33–19:55
• Commanders Defense Breakdown (QB Vision): 26:06–36:39
• Coverage and Pressure Schemes: 32:00–36:39
• Balancing Targets & Offensive Philosophy: 44:18–51:19

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Episode Tone

Conversational, witty, and insightful. The hosts balance locker-room humor with sharp football IQ, engaging in both statistical analysis and lived football experience. They build camaraderie, hype up sponsors, and never lose sight of the fans, always coming back to practical football application and relatable Cowboys commentary.

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For newcomers:
You’ll walk away with a solid grasp of the Cowboys’ defensive changes, expectations for key returning players, how Dallas should attack Dan Quinn’s retooled defense, and plenty of personality from a cast that prides itself on both football smarts and brotherhood.

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(Advertisements, general intros, and outros were omitted from this summary for clarity and focus.)

Transcript

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[Production Announcer / Commercial Voice]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the Star in Fris.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's on. Jake Ferguson. Prescott keeps it and he bangs it in for the touchdown.

[Production Announcer / Commercial Voice]

And now your hosts, Isaiah Stanback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's a wonderful Wednesday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle Coffee company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas. In the square, WBC studios. Welcome in, everybody. We've got the whole cast and crew ready for you to rock today with Patrick. No see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stamback, Chris Beam is in the back. Kyle Yeoman. So glad you're with us.

[Isaiah Stanback]

We're back.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We are so back. We took yesterday off, had a lot going on within travel and family.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Obligations.

[Isaiah Stanback]

We get the people going.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely missed you guys yesterday. Glad to be back today and to talk about this Cowboys team trying to keep the offensive momentum going against one Dan Quinn.

[Patrick No See Walker]

We're not going to, we're not going to skirt past someone with trademark infringement.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Would you like to explain?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Let's talk about, let's talk about this interest. Let's do this.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah, let's go. Bring it, buddy.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Because correct me if I'm wrong.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Don'T.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You know, if I'm wrong, I need money. But the Rico Dance originated on.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That's doggone right. Talking Cowboys. Talking Cowboys.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And yet here we are enjoying seeing our brother Isaiah on the NFL Network.

[Chris Beam]

And out of nowhere, live and in living color.

[Isaiah Stanback]

And out of nowhere. Great show, by the way.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He starts doing the post game breakdown of the Cowboys dolls and here comes the Rico dance.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yes. Explain yourself.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay, but did he do it on Talking Cowboys?

[Isaiah Stanback]

No.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Where did he do the Rico Dan dance?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Good morning.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Okay. Okay. You guys done?

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Okay. Hey, Beamer, explain.

[Production Announcer / Commercial Voice]

Hey, Beamer.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I've been a representative of Talking Cowboys for how many years now?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Since 2020. So that's 20. 26 years.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah, six years. Six years.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Our sixth.

[Chris Beam]

Sixth season.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

And I am an extension of you guys.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, yes.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I am an extension of Talking Cowboys. Would you guys disagree with that?

[Josh Rodriguez]

I would agree.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Wherever I go, I represent you guys.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Come on.

[Isaiah Stanback]

And I represent our listeners, okay? So wherever I am here, upstairs, on the toilet or in the freaking Good Morning Football, I'm. Hey, listen, you. That's right. I am going to represent my people. You know what else I did this week?

[Josh Rodriguez]

What'd you do?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Since we're bringing it up, I did the Rico dance. You know why? Because I am talking cowboys wherever I go. You know what else I did? I gave a shout out to Barry Church.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh.

[Isaiah Stanback]

On the show BC I brought up BC One of his quotes. You know his quote. Yeah. It's going to cost you a little. It's going to cost you a lot, but it's going to cost you. You know what else I brought up? Nate Newton. Oh, wow. Yeah. John Wick, in reference to Aaron Rodgers. So wherever I go, I take my brothers with me because I am my brother's keeper.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay? So that being said, I like it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That one.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Hold on. That being said, G Money.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yes.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay. That means.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Check that out. On Friday on the movie section.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Allow me.

[Chris Beam]

He's gonna do a movie section. A segment on Good Morning Football.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Please allow me to rebut.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Go ahead.

[Chris Beam]

To retort.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Allow. Tort. You shouted out Barry Church. I love it. You shouted out Big Nate. I love.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I didn't say Big Nate, though. I didn't say big name. I just said it's quote.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay, fair enough. But did. Did you. Did you shout out talking cow?

[Isaiah Stanback]

I mean, do I have to? Yeah, I. I mean, I. I feel like I'm the answer. I feel like I'm one of the main ingredients here.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You are. What we're saying is for the people that don't know, this is not infringement.

[Isaiah Stanback]

If I was. If I was a personality that just came in the show and then jumped out the show and then started using our stuff, I would feel like they. You need to. Look, you need to reference you, but you're.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You're saying that you are foundational.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah. Okay, so let me just bring it.

[Chris Beam]

Down for a second. For one second. I think to. To echo what Patrick is saying, to kind of finish off the argument.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yes.

[Chris Beam]

It would have been nice if you just said our name.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Okay. Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Maybe next time.

[Isaiah Stanback]

This is a Cuban missile crisis today.

[Patrick No See Walker]

All of us.

[Isaiah Stanback]

All right. All right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That is the. The crisis of Good Morning Football. I. I Sent it in.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I was thinking about my brothers and I saw the opportunity and I took it.

[Chris Beam]

It was a little shout. It was a little shout. So thank you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It was a little. A little bit of love.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That was for you. You guys think that anybody else knew.

[Chris Beam]

That, but you should have said.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Anybody else would. Anybody else.

[Chris Beam]

This is from Talking Cowboys on Dallas Cowboys.com, where you get the best Dallas Cowboy.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That'd have been nice. But guess what? I had.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I had sliver of.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Had a sliver of opportunity. When I did that dance, who would know what I was talking about?

[Josh Rodriguez]

All the talking listeners, the family.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You think the GMFB family knew what the heck I was doing?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Absolutely.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Absolutely freaking not. So that was homage to my brothers and our listeners.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's okay.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It was communication. And.

[Chris Beam]

And Chris Rendon in the chat says, you should have said because I'm always talking cowboys.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Could have slid it in there. Slide it in.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, like Kate, like the KY stat of the week.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's fine. I'm gonna. I'm gonna make a sign for you to take with you.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Next time I'll take it with me.

[Patrick No See Walker]

So you just hold up the sign.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Just take this. Not. I thought I was doing a good thing, but it backfired.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Listen, we're just giving. We're just giving that boy a hard time.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We need some music on that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, we love Isaiah. Isaiah is cooking up real nice. Make sure y' all check him out on Good Morning Football. If you have multiple monitors, if you have multiple devices, you can watch us concurrently.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Exactly.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But you know what? Takes precedent.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah. Make sure you have the sound on with this one.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Have to sign on with this one. So we love him. We were having fun with him with that in the group chat before we got here, so we just had to give. Give him some smoke.

[Isaiah Stanback]

What's that, Josh?

[Chris Beam]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Isaiah Stanback]

Look. Soft and supple.

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[Isaiah Stanback]

Do you want that? I haven't had that one.

[Chris Beam]

Or do you want the energy drink?

[Isaiah Stanback]

I have that shirt.

[Chris Beam]

The Black Rifle Energy, zero sugar.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I have shirt.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So that's the one he wants.

[Chris Beam]

That's the one you want.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Wild Frost, what's the flavor?

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's like a.

[Chris Beam]

This is an energy drink. It's not coffee.

[Production Announcer / Commercial Voice]

Oh, no, no.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Give me the coffee.

[Chris Beam]

Oh, you want a coffee?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, I want one of those Espresso salted carrots.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I thought he hated coffee. I have been converted. You don't want.

[Chris Beam]

We don't hate coffee on this.

[Isaiah Stanback]

No, no, no. I.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Here's the thing is he says he didn't drink coffee. Now he does.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That's right, Beamer. You know why? Because I am committed to this show. Beamer. I am committed to this show. Just because I did not like something. Just because I didn't partake prior to them becoming a sponsor. You know what I did? I went ahead and I dove. You adapted. Not like Trey Songz, but I dove in, okay? And I became a consumer of our sponsors drink. It's commitment, Kyle.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It is commitment.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I gave it a try. You know what? Because I tried it. I adapted. And now I am one with the black rifle.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know, who needs to make some rtd.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That was crisp.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That was crisp. See?

[Josh Rodriguez]

How are you going to finish this? By the end of news and notes.

[Chris Beam]

He's going to finish it, right?

[Patrick No See Walker]

He's chugging.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay.

[Chris Beam]

No, no, dude, just.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Here it goes. Y. I'm not ready for Isaiah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's two.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Oh, that tastes good.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right around like 9:34. We're just not going to be able to stop Isaiah. He's getting ready for qb.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Bottoms up.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Oh, my.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And there we go. It's time for news and notes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

This is on.

[Patrick No See Walker]

All right. So the Cowboys.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Oh, so carameli.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Carameli.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I like the.

[Chris Beam]

Shout out to black rifle coffee.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm not chugging.

[Chris Beam]

What you sipping on? I don't even know. I do not know. No, I don't even know. I do not know.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We've got to get into news enough.

[Patrick No See Walker]

6767, so.

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[Patrick No See Walker]

News and notes. The Cowboys are back on the practice field today. You've called.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's okay. That's all they say in my house nowadays anyways.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Dads know.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

So Cowboys are back on the practice field today for the first time this week to start preparing for the visiting Washington commanders. Based on the conversations that were had and heard over the radio with Jerry Jones and Steven Jones and even Brian Schottheimer. He played it. He downplayed it a little bit, which is kind of on brand for him as the head coach. He wants to see these guys on. On the practice field first. But he did express the same optimism with Jerry Jones. Saying fingers on thumbs up, thumbs up on CD Lamb and Kevonte Turpin and possibly likely even returning this week to take on the Washington commander. So could be some, some firepower on the way for the Cowboys offensive side of the ball? Well, no see, what does that do for the defense? Not a damn thing. But it does help the offense even more. So I like to tell you. And those are two big weapons. Obviously goes without saying. The expectation is also that Carson, Kaylin Carson and Jonathan Mangle. So Kaylin Carson is your defensive help. That's on the way. You can view that however you choose to view it. He and Jonathan Mango are expected to be activated to the 53 man roster this week. Cowboys really have until next Wednesday to to make that decision, but it sounds like they're going to make it this week. We'll see. They did wave wide receiver Jalen Cropper yesterday to make room for at least one of those guys. He will go through waivers over the next 24 hours or 24 hours from yesterday. So we'll know today at some point, no later than 3 o' clock Central time if he cleared and if he clear expectation and the hope is from the Cowboys is that he returns to the practice squad.

[Isaiah Stanback]

What do you believe?

[Patrick No See Walker]

I believe he clears.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, he'll clear.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Have you seen it?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Remember he was on the practice squad the entirety of the season, so teams have had ample opportunity.

[Isaiah Stanback]

But he played.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, he played a little bit, but I don't think. Just wondering.

[Chris Beam]

I think you're fine.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, I think he clears and if he doesn't clear, then congrats to him and wish him well no matter what happens. You know, obviously wish him well if he's on the practice squad here because you want a guy to do well and if he gets claimed by another team, that means another team also believed in him and you know, shouts out to him for that. So as it stands, that's the only transaction, the corresponding move as far as activating Carson or Mango, that hasn't happened yet. So give it another day or two. We'll see which one of those two things happens, if not both.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So if they activate. So they're leaving that spot open for the moment.

[Patrick No See Walker]

For the moment as we have this conversation. But you know how it goes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It does. As soon as there's going to be some. So with that spot open, they would need to clear one more spot.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yes. If they want.

[Josh Rodriguez]

In order to reactivate Mingo and Carson Point.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yes sir. Who do you think that person would be?

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's the question I Guess I don't want to throw names out there if.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You'Re going to bite on the cheese. Geez.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It may also be one of those situations where there's an injury that we don't know about quite yet.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Of course.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Where always an injury depth guy ends up with an ankle, something like that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Right.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Ingrown toenail.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What was that?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Ingrown toenail.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, something like that.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Got to get something some in terms of. Because I know. I think there's a conversation there when you're talking about Kaylin Carson coming back. I don't know if that's necessarily help on the way, like you said, however you choose can interpret that, how they interpret that. But just curious to you guys, does it sort of feel like having Kaylin Carson back into the fold? Does it feel like sort of like a starting over with Kaylin Carson because you didn't necessarily get to see him play very well or very much in his rookie season.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's a great question because I think he has had a reset period. Right?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's just trying to get healthy. He's trying to stay healthy enough to where. Because even he played through injury. Remember when he played at the end of his time playing, he played through some different things. I think this is his final clean slate. You get the opportunity, you get him out there and you see what you hope you were getting out of the draft and in his opening training camp and things like that opening game in Cleveland where he played well. I think all of those things are true. But you also have to have the expectation that he, he won't be an immediate help and that there's going to be a little bit of a ramp up period there.

[Chris Beam]

But would it be safe to say that you might have an upgrade over a guy like Kair Elam?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Maybe.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Maybe that's what you're hoping for and.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That'S really all you can hope for. And I do agree, I do think this is a reset for Kaitlyn Carson. I think this is basically a blowout. The cartridge type thing. Yeah. Ah, OG reference.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That's a great.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, you know, so this is. Put it in your shirt, blow out the cartridge, put it in the, in the.

[Josh Rodriguez]

See if it works and turn it back on.

[Chris Beam]

Playing Donkey Kong Country.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. So I think that's what it is and what it has to be for Kaylan Carson. Like you mentioned and like I said, a time or two, a double dribble you got.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Like I said, I played that the other day.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, you really NBA Jamie, what was it?

[Patrick No See Walker]

No double Dribble.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Double dribble.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Before your time. I thought it was an NBA Jam reference.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Hit us, baby.

[Chris Beam]

I didn't know what the reference was.

[Commercial Voice]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

It's a double dribble. I thought it was.

[Chris Beam]

Oh, brother.

[Isaiah Stanback]

This guy stinks.

[Josh Rodriguez]

All right, guys. Appreciate you joining us here on Talking Cowboys. It's been so much fun. He doesn't know anything about double dribble.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I know it's before his time. Way sorry about.

[Chris Beam]

No, Kyle's a sound basketball player.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Apologies.

[Chris Beam]

Wouldn't know what a double dribble was if it hit him.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, you know.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You know what's kind of crazy, though? We don't have any sponsors in terms of that. But my sister just. My sister just sent me some old stuff from, like. Like, my mom's house. She was cleaning out, like, the basement and then garage and all that. She sent me my old high school duffel bag. Okay. And it had. She sent me my PlayStation. Original PlayStation.

[Patrick No See Walker]

PS1.

[Isaiah Stanback]

PS1. The original, bro. With the game loads in the top, bro. With me on ncaa. All my NCAA games and everything, bro. I'm about to hook it up with my son's room.

[Josh Rodriguez]

One thing I will never forgive my sister for. Never forgive her for it. And she'll. She knows this to this day. When she was. When we were kids and I had my original PlayStation, my parents saved up money. We didn't come from a ton of money. Saved it up, got me. Got it for Christmas parent or Christmas present. And it was the coolest present I had ever gotten in my life. My sister, like, two weeks after getting it, maybe a little more like two months after getting it. She was probably five or six. She, like, when it was open, the cartridge was open. There was a little ring at the top. And she thought, like, it was a ring that you could put on your finger. So she, like, clicked it off and put it on like. Like, as like jewelry. And I remember trying to click my cd, my. My game back in the top. And I was like, it won't spin. Why is it not spinning? And I. I was like, where is this part? Like, I don't know what's going on? I was probably 10 years old. I didn't know what to do. And I looked around and she had it on her. I was like, no way. And we took it to a place. They couldn't fix it at the time. And I ended up, like, not getting. I never got to play that PlayStation ever again.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Your sister wanted to get married.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't know if it was on a ring finger. I think it may have been on.

[Isaiah Stanback]

One of the other ones.

[Josh Rodriguez]

By the way. By the way, Double Dribble was released in 1987.

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Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

So that game was amazing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Amazing.

[Isaiah Stanback]

As.

[Patrick No See Walker]

As someone who has sisters, I can just tell you right now, the payback that would have occurred against their dolls. Their dolls would have been. It would have looked like from Sauce pain.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It would have looked like a scene from over here.

[Josh Rodriguez]

25 years later, I'm still feeling trauma.

[Chris Beam]

That one hurts.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, well, speaking of things that hurt, Kaylin Carson did play through injury last year.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I tried to pull a cow. Did that work?

[Josh Rodriguez]

That was good.

[Chris Beam]

That was.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Kaylin Carson did play through injury. And like I mentioned a few times on the show, I had some. Some really in depth, off the record conversations with that young man. And he told me about the shoulder struggles also, and how that compromised his ability to tackle. Because he was honest with me. He was like, hey, when your shoulder is, you know, popping in and out. Yep. You lose the willingness to go hit. To go hit.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That was part of his draft. That was the good thing.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. So. And there were things that needed to be better. Yeah. People say, well, he's. Hey, he's. He's whiffing on. Yeah. You know, what is.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I've had three show evidence, three labor. I know all about it. Carson is talking about to this day, bro. He's still mentally is like, oh, yeah, I'm not gonna throw that arm out there.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. So now that Kellen Carson is completely healthy and has so much time removed from the shoulder issues.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Like you said, hard reset. Now let's see if he's willing to get his body back out there. Let's see if one of the green flags coming out.

[Josh Rodriguez]

This is his final chance.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You don't think so?

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I don't think it can be when you're struggling with guys like Kair Elam and Trayvon. Current situation. Right, Current situation.

[Chris Beam]

And the future of some of those guys, too, in this defense in particular.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Exactly. So I don't feel like this, as we have this conversation, him being activated likely this week. I don't think this is the final chance. I think that, you know, as long as he's serviceable at this point. Yeah. That's something to build on.

[Chris Beam]

He just has to get back on track, and that's something that he wasn't able to do. Like we're saying from the shoulder injury last year, even when he was trying to grit through it and play through it, it's It's a hard reset. If he's 100 healthy, just let him start from one.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Does he come in and leapfrog Elam on the depth chart?

[Chris Beam]

I. I can't imagine how hard that would be.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I agree with that, but I don't think immediately because I think that they have to feel him out as far as like Grace. I mean, you're coming off of a. An injury, then another injury that had you on IR to start this season.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So I think he'll get opportunities.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, that's my point. He'll get opportunities and he might leapfrog Elam.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I mean, that whole situation is turned.

[Chris Beam]

If they are competing every day, then I can't imagine it'll be that hard for him to leap frog.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But give him a couple weeks or so and it could happen.

[Chris Beam]

But that situation has turned since.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That would. But that would be ideal for the Cowboys. If Kaylin Carson kind of hits the ground running and leapfrogs anybody on the depth chart, then that's a good sign for him.

[Chris Beam]

And that's not to mention Savone Revel either. Who's on the come up?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Where's he at?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Still.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Still rehabbing.

[Chris Beam]

Still rehabbing.

[Isaiah Stanback]

So do we have any word as to.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Not a thing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The entire stance of the organization is that there has not been a setback.

[Isaiah Stanback]

But I.

[Josh Rodriguez]

My opinion, just my opinion.

[Chris Beam]

They don't like using that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They don't like using it, period. I think it looks like I will.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Say this based in evidence to what Kyle is saying. I don't know that there's been a setback or not been a setback. I can tell you that he's now working in a bracelet and he was not working on a brace initially. So do with that information what you will.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, it's just. It's tough to kind of really tell because we're not behind the scenes and we don't have the. The one, the training or two, the. The eyes of the training staff to get on it, but nor the information. You can just take context clues of, oh, he was going to be back within the first month of the season.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Can you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We're a month and a half in and he hasn't even gotten on the grass.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Can you please remind the people as to where he was drafted at third round. Third round. Third round. And the expectation was for him to be back when.

[Patrick No See Walker]

First month of season.

[Uber Eats Announcer]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Hasn't happened yet.

[Isaiah Stanback]

All right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

When we come back on talking Cowboys, we flip our attention from the Cowboys offense to the commander's defense led by one Dan Quinn. We've got some QB vision on the other side of the break. More talking cowboys after this.

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[Isaiah Stanback]

I'M home. Hey, mom. Before you ask, I've done my homework and the dishwasher's unloaded.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Nice. Hey, can you.

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[Isaiah Stanback]

Yes, I've got the finale ready to play.

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[Isaiah Stanback]

Wow.

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Isaiah Stanback]

We're united.

[Patrick No See Walker]

How's it going? You see that Cowboys game? Oh, I watched.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Been seeing some good things.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Totally. They have some talent.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yup.

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[Isaiah Stanback]

And they got some fight. Hoping this is the year.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Me too. Oh, I'm Cody, by the way.

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[Patrick No See Walker]

Nice to meet you, Travis. Go Cowboys.

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[Isaiah Stanback]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Back here on Talking Cowboys. This segment of the show is brought to you by Invisalign. The official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. Patrick no see Walker. Josh Rodriguez. Chris Beam in the back. And Kyle Yeomans. We've got Isaiah. Stand back. Back in the building. How is that? Do you like that? That black rifle?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Get you some.

[Josh Rodriguez]

This is the new jingle.

[Chris Beam]

That's it. Get you some, bro.

[Isaiah Stanback]

That's like one of the best logos ever. Like, I, you know, funny thing is, before I left the other day, you know, did the pregame, postgame shows for the Cowboys, and then I went, go hop on a flight. I grabbed my bags and I was like, okay, I need some comfortable clothes to wear on the flight. On an airplane, I grabbed my black rifle T shirt and it had that logo on it. And I was like, I love this shirt. It's a comfortable shirt. What you can't see on that particular logo is he's holding like a, you know, a weapon. Yeah. And, you know, black rifle.

[Chris Beam]

A black rifle. Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah. I was like, this is probably not the shirt to wear.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Walking on the American Airlines.

[Chris Beam]

You'd be like that one dude on the airplane.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Not your regular size human walking on a plane with a black ride, with a. With a freaking. I don't even know what that is.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Sasquatch holding a rifle. Probably not a good decision. My word.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's good, though, is that it stays.

[Chris Beam]

Gonna get real friendly with you.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, seriously, this wild frost, zero sugar, solid black rifle.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Did you know?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Can't go wrong.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Fun fact today. Before you say what you're gonna say.

[Production Announcer / Commercial Voice]

Yep.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Like when you walk on an airplane. So my wife used to be a flight attendant. And did you know that when you walk on an airplane, the. The flight attendants are. What's the best way to say they're profile. Yeah. They're profiling you to see who can help in an emergency situation. Did you guys know that?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Really?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah. They profile you to say, okay, who can. In the case of an emergency, who can I go up to. To help us in a situation that I'm. I need some physical.

[Chris Beam]

That explains why I'm always like, oh, hi, how's it going?

[Isaiah Stanback]

They're like, bro, so ever since I. Ever since I was made aware of that, like, I can literally see. I can see when I'm being profiled in that way, right? Not negative profile, but, like, I'm super aware now. Like, they look at you, they're like, hi. I'm like, yeah. You just put me in that bucket, didn't you?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whenever I walk on, every time they've got a clipboard and they say.

[Chris Beam]

How'S it going?

[Patrick No See Walker]

The pencil scratching across quick shouts out to Chris and Jonathan. I see you both. Yes. Tokyo Ghoul. If you know. I think they know.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know what else you've seen?

[Isaiah Stanback]

What else have I seen?

[Josh Rodriguez]

You've seen some film. Because it's time for a little bit of QB wide 80.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Wide 80.

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It's time for QB Vision with Isaiah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Stand back.

[Isaiah Stanback]

All right, guys, here we go. We seven. All right, let's talk about it. Not a whole lot to talk about because you guys already know this. All right, I know our listeners are editing educated because we always ensure that you are the. What, smartest ones in the room. You know this guy. You know Dan Quinn, right? Washington Commanders. He was your guy for a number of years. He had this defense balling. He changed the culture over here. So we know what he's all about. Who does he have over there that you're familiar with? Well, there's a handful of guys. Doris Armstrong, kind of know him. He's a little before, a little bit beat up right now. You know, hamstring issues in and out the game. But you know what he provides when he is there other names. Okay, he has some veteran contributors.

[Chris Beam]

94.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah, 94. Duron Payne. He's still a dude. He's still a dude. The Ron Payne's still a dude. Is he as much of a dude as he once was? I don't believe so. Major pain, but you still got to respect him.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He's in the killing business.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah, he in the business. His business in business is not so good right now for them. Javon Kinlaw, another big name that everybody's familiar with. He's been a really good player for a very long time.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Would be a better.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Me too. Me too. Let's go be a dude. Who else do they have? Jeremy Reeves and Marshawn Lattimore. Tostito Plaza.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, he's cooked.

[Isaiah Stanback]

So those are also then Von Miller, that's another name that you guys would be familiar with just from being a veteran. Being a veteran in the league. He's kind of a hired assassin at this point.

[Chris Beam]

The eternal rookie, bro.

[Isaiah Stanback]

He's walking around just collecting checks. Right. From whoever wants to give out a contract. So, Buffalo, those are the big names that you guys play at a high level, to be fair, for sure. Okay, Define high. Yeah. Oh, no. Igbonogony. I did. I couldn't say his name when he first was here, but he's still there as well. Those are all names that you guys are familiar with that, in my opinion, are not doing amazing things. They're guys that have big names, but they're not doing amazing things outside of 94. Duron Payne. Put some respect on his name. Now let's get to the guys that you know their name and they are contributing. Let's talk about their linebackers. Bobby Wagner, freaking out.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Know about that guy.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Hall of Famer, gold jacket. I know, I know. Bobby.

[Josh Rodriguez]

How is he still.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Still that good?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Bobby getting 200 tackles a year.

[Isaiah Stanback]

And how is he?

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's an exaggeration, but not by much.

[Isaiah Stanback]

We had a chance to get him by what? One?

[Chris Beam]

We did have a chance.

[Isaiah Stanback]

We had a chance to get him here. We opted to go in a different direction. And that individual is no longer playing football.

[Patrick No See Walker]

DQ tried to get him here.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I know. But he ended up getting him there. So Bobby Wagner is still one heck of a middle linebacker in this league. Just. Just is a vampire in the sense that he just seems to not age.

[Chris Beam]

A fountain of youth, if you will.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, and he also just like, disappears off the film and then pops up where the ball is.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Listen, like, he just, like.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Just like teleports. He can't just like himself in the mirror or anything.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, like a night crawler.

[Isaiah Stanback]

And if he's in the area of the ball, you're probably going to the ground. Because he's a tackling machine. He has a comrade. They gave him. They gave him a bass, bro. Would you say comrade? Yes. And Frankie Lavu. Frankie Lavu. I like to do really good player. Okay, so 54 and 4. Those two is about that action. He's about that action, boss. Both of those guys will run and hit. Bobby. Bobby.

[Chris Beam]

He's kind of crazy, man.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I like him. I mean, that's what you want, right?

[Chris Beam]

If you hear you're crazy, man.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I like you. If you have a solid middle linebacker, the best thing you can do is give him somebody on the. Out on outside booking him. Right. Booking him with linebackers that can run and hit. Right. That are, that are just violent, sometimes reckless. But guys, that C ball, hit ball is the reason why we're looking forward to the demarvion overshot coming back. He's that style of player, you know, Shemar James, you know, came at 17 tackles his first game. Like those guys that see ball, hit ball, they don't hesitate because the middle linebacker is always going to ensure that they're right. So those are the two guys on this defense that I believe is really the core of their team right now. Those two plus Duron Payne. What do they do? Well, we know what they do. Do we? We know that they're going to do a four man front. We know that they're going to load the box up. We know that they're going to play single high safety and they're going to mix up coverages between primarily playing cover one, press one, and playing cover three. And every so often they'll mix in a too high safety. But they do it in a way that, oh, we're being very, very sneaky. It's single high. And then all of a sudden their safety, who is a down safety, strong side, strong side safety, turns and runs. As soon as you see that guy turn at the snap of the ball and run, they're running to a cover two.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's, it's, it's plain as day. I mean, it's ridiculous, right? They're not hiding at all. They think they're being tricky, like, oh, I'm in the box and then they literally. Yeah. And then have to snap in the ball.

[Chris Beam]

It is Halloween after all.

[Isaiah Stanback]

They're not backpedaling, they're not angling. They are turning and sprinting because they have a long way to go to get to their position. It's very obvious when they're going too high safety. So with all that being said, that there's nothing that they're going to do that you're going to be surprised by. There's nothing that they're going to do that you haven't seen that you're not comfortable with, that you're not confident in being able to eliminate. What do they do? Well, don't get in third and long. That's really it. I wish I had more to give you. Don't get in third and long. These guys are going to press you. These guys are going to bring pressure. Occasionally when they do bring pressures, it's usually up the middle with one of those linebackers. They, they want to, they Want to come through the middle of. Yeah, they want to come through the middle of your set. They're going to widen out the defensive ends that are going to try to get your offensive line to go from being hip to hip, shoulder to shoulder, and they're going to try to spread these guys out to create running lanes for their linebackers to go ahead and penetrate and get to your quarterback. These guys are sixth in the league in quarterback sacks. They have 18 quarterback sacks on a year. They're doing relatively well in that department. In terms of rushing yards giving up, not great, Bob. Not great. Middle of the league, middle of the pack there. In terms of passing yards given up bottom of the league. Okay. Bottom six, I believe it is. These guys are giving up yards. Yes, sir.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I have a question for QB Vision.

[Isaiah Stanback]

What you got there?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Sir, do they prefer zone or man coverage?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Oh, man.

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Sir.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Man, they are, man, they're, they're manning. They, they, they are manning. No, Peyton, these guys want to get up to the line of scream and put hands on you. They want to bless you. And so there's a lot of opportunity to get these guys in the, in the passing game. But I truly believe, as good as their linebackers are, that you can still run the ball. I really think that you can run the ball. And with their guys playing down in the box, seven man box, sometimes eight man box, depending on your personnel grouping. Offensively, if you can get that effective running game going, you can throw the ball all day long because they don't have one corner that can take away what you do passing wise. Not one. They brought in Marshawn Lattimore to be that guy guy two years ago. They brought him in, they traded for him. They gave up some solid draft equity to get him in there because they thought he was that goon on the outside that can come up, press you, bring the attitude and, and put hands on you at the line of scrimmage. He's not that. Whatever they thought he was, he is not what they thought he was. So they don't have a guy. So what can they do? All they can do is try to get pressure with their front four and they're, they don't have a guy. Von Miller, Dorrance Armstrong, none of those guys are really getting to the quarterback right now. Now is. It's typically by committee and if you find yourself in a third and long situation, that's where they're getting these 18 sacks. They're, they're forcing you to hold the ball because they're pressing you up on the outside, and they're not allowing your receivers to get clean releases. So as a quarterback, what do you have to do? I have to sit back. I have to hold the ball a little bit longer. Right. Instead of it getting rid of it in 2.5. Deal. 2.7 seconds, I have to hold it to three seconds. Right. So that my receiver can actually get some separation. And usually by that time, Dan Quinn is banking on his guys getting to your guy. That is all they do. That's all they shown in these first six games. That's all they have shown for the last few years of Dan Quinn. They're just a little bit less effective this year.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And they're top 10 in the league in terms of running zone. To give you a little bit more concrete answer, they run in about 36% of the time.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Which still means it's more than most.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Teams in a single.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So most of it. Most of it is cover one.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Cover three. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So I think 50% of their snaps are cover one and cover cover three is what it looks like here.

[Isaiah Stanback]

So when Kyle gives you guys that stat that don't, don't be. Oh, no. They play a lot of zone. They're playing cover three.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Cover three most oftentimes turns into cover one. All right.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And this is why I posed the question, because I wanted you guys to break this down just the way you're doing it for the fans so they understand because they might log into like a next gen or pfc. So we can take it. Not so fast, my friend.

[Isaiah Stanback]

It looks like. So cover three looks like cover one oftentimes. Yeah. Until you have receivers that run across the formation. When receivers cross the field, that's when it causes a lot of issues for cover three. Because now you have a safety that has to make a decision on which direction to go. Who is he taking? Is he taking the over route? Is he taking the shorter route? Is he taking the deep post that's. That's threatening him over the top? You can create a lot of issues again if you can block it up and you can stay in good down the distance. I am not afraid or even threaten a little bit. I respect the heck out the coach and what he can do. If you can stay in good down a distance situation, I don't foresee this being a problem. But you better figure out 94 and you better not allow 54 and 4 to have run throughs.

[Chris Beam]

My thing is, at least with this defensive line, you're not going up the Panthers front again, which sounds kind of crazy. But now that we know the result of what the Panthers did to you with Derek Brown and Asha Robinson, you're not facing that.

[Isaiah Stanback]

This. No.

[Chris Beam]

You have to respect Duron Payne, of course, but it's not like you're unfamiliar of what these guys are present to you. You know, Darren's Armstrong, Doran's Armstrong. Excuse me. And you know what he's going to do for me? Like you said, it's the linebackers. It's Frankie Luvu. It's what Rose Boom did to Dak last week in kind of giving him fits and kind of getting him off his spot. Louvre is going to do that tenfold. He's going to do that a lot. Bobby Wagner's there to clean up a lot of that mess because he can, he can cover the middle by himself, it seems like. So. So you have to be concerned there. St Russell is that his Sandstrew. Sandstrell is Dan Quinn's J. Lou. That's what he's using him for. 80% of the time he's in that nickel formation covering the slot. So you have to be aware of that. Having CD Back for this game, if at all possible is going to be huge for you because you will be able to clean up on the outside with CD Lamb and George.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And I tell you this has to be a bounce back game for this, this, for this ground attack from the Cowboys. And you mentioned it's the way you mentioned it as far as like, you know, the Panthers front, all credit due to those guys. They absolutely just bullied.

[Isaiah Stanback]

9, 4, 9 5. Those guys had a day.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Absolutely they did. But I see that and I hate it. But then I see what they did against a front that had Quinn and Williams and I love it. I see what they did again against a friend that had Kevon Thibodeau and Dexter Lawrence and I love it. So these guys in the trenches for the Cowboys offensively, they can move bodies. They just didn't do it last week. And then we'll see. If Tyler Booker talk about guys returning, you're likely getting Kevante Turpin back. You're likely getting CD Lamb. Like you said, massive. Massive. Because it just, I mean even with George Pickens and let's say Flournoy continues to contribute, that that dual alone stresses their personnel. But then you add CD And George and it's just like they better pray for, pray for anything but rain because rain is coming. But then when you look at the offensive line, if Tyler Booker can get back on the field to help you with that P against a guy like Daron Payne, then yeah, maybe you can. And hopefully you can get Javante Williams going again. You do that now you're in third and mid third and short. This is fair game from that.

[Chris Beam]

And at that point, you just have to eat the clock, man, because you don't want this defense out there very long.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, no, no doubt about that. And I've got a question when it comes to pass rush, because you're talking about the sacks. They have 18 sacks in the year, top 10 in the league in that category. But they're kind of middle of the pack in terms of time to sack, which is becoming more and more of a prevalent stat in the next gen era. They're about halfway, actually below average more than anything. How do they get their pressure? Because there's a blitz percentage there that Dan Quinn will use certain guys. Where does it come from? If Dak Prescott is going to be pressured, where is it coming from?

[Isaiah Stanback]

It's coming from the middle. I mean, they're blitzing from inside. But it goes back to the point I made that if you find yourself in a third and long situation, what are their corners going to do? They're going to come up and press. Yeah, right. And if come up and press, it disrupts my ability to get off the ball. It Normally takes me 1.5 seconds to get to 10 yards. Now it's taking me 1.8, 1.9, you know what I'm saying? To get to 10, to get to 10 yards. And then when I get to that point, now I got to try to get your hands off me. Like the quarterback is having to sit back and hold the ball to allow the receiver to do his work. Yeah, right. I have to allow my receiver to do work at the line of scrimmage. I have to allow my receiver to do work at the top of his route. And that's why, like teams that, that have corners that can press and you have defensive lines that can get to the quarterback. It's the reason why those are some of the most disruptive teams in the league. We can go back in history. You can go back to Seattle, Legion of Boom. That's why they were so effective. Right. The defensive line was. Was absolutely nasty. And the cornerbacks can come up and press you with the long arms. That's what Dan Quinn wants to do. That's. That's what he's coming from. Exactly.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Right.

[Isaiah Stanback]

So now the quarterbacks having the force balls and get the ball out earlier than he wants to. That's what he wants to do schematically. He doesn't have the corners to do it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

No.

[Isaiah Stanback]

So having. If you can get CD Back, if you can get Turpin back, if you can have George out there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Guys that win at the line of.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Scrimmage now, now you're screwed because now you have. Whether you're running one or whether you're running three, it looks the same. The only difference is the. If you're running three, you have four underneath defenders. If you're running one, you have three underneath defenders that are responsible for guys coming out the backfield response for tight ends. Everybody has a responsibility versus cover three. My outside guys are playing it like, man, but they're responsible for that third of the field. If you can overload them and overload their responsibilities, you can really, really take advantage of them.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I found the exact number. 57% of snaps from Dan Quinn's defense have been in cover one or cover.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So more than half the time they're.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Running that and when they run two, it's the most obvious thing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

They don't disguise it at all.

[Isaiah Stanback]

No.

[Chris Beam]

All right, well, we're used to that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

When we come back.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Oh, here I go.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Speaking on the same thing about George Pickens and CD Lamb returning, Kevonte Turpin returning. What is the target share going to look like with those guys? Because George Pickens has had an incredible couple of weeks. How do you keep that momentum going without taking opportunities away from CD Lamb? There's only one ball to go around when we come back with more talking Cowboys 1B.

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[Isaiah Stanback]

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[Isaiah Stanback]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

No doubt about it. Speaking of creating, there's only a certain amount of opportunities create on an offensive.

[Chris Beam]

Side of the football.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You got a medium sized pizza and you have three hungry participants.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You think it's medium sized or is it large?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Even if it's a large. I eat a whole medium pizza by myself.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's an extra large pizza.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Extra large. Extra large pizza. But you got three huge appetites.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay, who are those three appetites?

[Isaiah Stanback]

Well, you got CD Lamb.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stanback]

You have George Pickens. Oh, and you have the, the guy who catches everything pretty much five yards. And in Jake Ferguson. Yeah, yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The leading tight end reception leader in the NFL and top five in overall receptions.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah. So three huge appetites, one pizza. How do you slice it?

[Josh Rodriguez]

There's the question. We're talking pizza.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I think you, I think you. It's a new pizza every. Every play. It's a new pizza every play. I mean, you don't go into any of these plays saying that. Okay, well, you know, going for, for the whole game, we're all going to work from the same pizza. And, you know, George, you're on a heater, so we're going to make sure we target you, you know, nine times in cd, seven times or six times until further notice. No, no, no, no, no. You take what the defense is giving you. And that's why I love what Dak Prescott is saying when he's asked questions about, you know, when CD was on the field.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And he's asking him, well, do you find yourself sometimes looking for CD do you find yourself sometimes looking for George after you've targeted CD two or three times to make sure George get. Gets involved? His answer is always no. You take what the defense is giving you, which is fair, and that's how you should approach it. So.

[Chris Beam]

So that should be deep dish pizza this week.

[Patrick No See Walker]

There you go. Chicago style, if you will. So if you, if you approach it that way, you should be Chicago. But if you approach it, that way then by the end of the game, because there should be no egos in a win. Okay, Maybe this particular game against the Commander City comes in and he goes off 12 catches, 175 yards, two touchdowns, and maybe George has, you know, six catches for 60 yards. Jake has his handful. And everybody's happy if it's a win. Okay, Absolutely. Or maybe it's the opposite. Maybe George goes off again and it's 151 and, you know, whatever the case may be, just approach it rep by rep.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think that's the right answer. I think that's what they should, as a team, rely on, is take what the defense can give you. But we've seen, at least in a short sample size going into week three, there was a considerable effort to get CD Lam the football in weeks one and two. There wasn't as much of an emphasis on getting George Pickens the football in weeks one and two. It happened three, four, five, down the road, and he's been incredible, and he's earned opportunity when he was the primary receiver. So at some point, we haven't seen. Or through the first six weeks, we have not seen them have an emphasis on getting both guys ample opportunity early in the game.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Do you think it got him?

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's what I'm asking. Do you think we can get to that point?

[Chris Beam]

Absolutely. You have to make it happen. And granted, if the defense's plan is to, like, let's avoid that at all costs. Like Dak is saying, take what the defense gives you. I mean, if that's what they're giving you, that's what they're giving you.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Get first downs and control the clock. Man, at this point, I can't stress enough how important this is to just, to me watching the game, is that you don't want to see this defense on the field at all. So just keep the ball as long as humanly possible. Possible.

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[Isaiah Stanback]

Jeremy Reeves is going to be responsible for guarding Jake Ferguson.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's fair. Think about it this. This way.

[Chris Beam]

I like that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Is.

[Chris Beam]

I like those words.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I like that a lot.

[Chris Beam]

I like those words.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Let me ask you guys a question. Do you, and this is a realistic question, do you think that there's a chance Dak Prescott throws 40 times in this game?

[Isaiah Stanback]

I hope not.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I hope not either.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But do you think there's a chance?

[Chris Beam]

There's a chance.

[Patrick No See Walker]

If that were to happen, then look at the split. Then let's say you do a split. You target CD10, you target George 10, you target Jake 5 to 6. That's 25, 26. You got.

[Chris Beam]

You're off by like 12.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Fair. You got a lot of space there. Yeah, space. And you sprinkle in Kevante, Turpin, you know, a Flannoy, whatever. I'm saying, if this turns out to be a game where Dak has to throw 40 times, it's. It's easy to, you know, split.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Can you win like that with this team, though? Because if you're throwing it 40 times, a lot of it is going to be working from behind because you're having to catch up and you're trying to play on the offensive side.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Which will happen.

[Chris Beam]

The answer is no.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Which happened. I don't think you can win the field.

[Chris Beam]

The answer is no. If. If you rely on Derek Prescott Throwing 40 times, you're just opening yourself up for issues. For me, it's just. It's consistency and running the ball and being able to spell in those things. And a lot of that, too. It's like. It's not for me just splitting the reps between George Pickens and CD Lamb, but like Ryan Flournoy, man, he should. He should be able to eat in these scenarios. Not that I don't necessarily want Jake Ferguson to get the target, but in this game, they should be abundant, but the outside is going to be wide open.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I like what you're saying too, about first downs, because, yes, that's such a fundamental aspect that fans sometimes. And I forget about it. Sometimes forget about. Because the first downs, I mean, look at the way that it was broken up in the. In the Panthers game. And Isaiah had a great stat on post game where The Panthers had 27 first down. Fourteen of them are on the ground. You're right on the ground. Dallas had 14 first downs total and only one on the ground. You got to be able to move the chains, keep your defense off the field. If the defense is going to play as poorly as they have, keep them off the field as much as possible. But you also cannot hinder the success of your offense because if you're only going to get six possessions in the football game, you've got to take advantage of the majority of those possessions. And I'm not talking three. I'm not talking Brandon Aubrey. I'm talking. You got to find pay dirt on four or five or six possessions in order to even have a shot. With the way that this defense is playing, the way you do that and the way you consistently win time of possession effectively and still end up with points is by converting on first downs. Plain and simple.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And quickly to. To the chat. Robert Rodriguez says. And he was. I think he was addressing Josh's. Josh about Floy. He said, I feel like CD and Floy have the same skill set. No, no. In the capacity of. They both can get you yak. I agree. Flannoy is more physical than CD as far as being able to run through tackles. CD is more elusive in open space.

[Chris Beam]

That's not to say Flannoy isn't physical.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, it's not to say. No. Flannoy is.

[Chris Beam]

But there are levels.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He's more physical.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Right.

[Isaiah Stanback]

So I would.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I would honestly not to say CD is physical. Yeah. Because CD is. Yeah, I would say. But just not to the level of Flannoy. I would say the. The better comp would be there might be a little bit of redundancy between Floy and Pickens because Pickens. Pickens is physically.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I can see that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Right. So just, you know, jumping.

[Chris Beam]

I just don't think they're different receivers.

[Patrick No See Walker]

They're different receivers.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Every receiver is very classified. Pickens as. No, no.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'm saying if you're going to say there's any amount of redundancy between Floy and any of the top two guys, it's more pickings than it is cd. CD is tough. He does. He proved that last year. I think he can be physical, but Floy is.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I think he's more turping than he is any of those two guys.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Flournoy feels more desi.

[Isaiah Stanback]

I feel like he's more turpin in this offense than those.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, he feels more. More dez.

[Isaiah Stanback]

He's the guy that you want to get the ball in his hands now.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

The route running isn't as crisp, but exactly. His radius isn't so light.

[Isaiah Stanback]

Quicker. He's more exposed. Faster. Yeah. I want to get in his hands by any means necessary.

[Josh Rodriguez]

All right, that's going to do it for us here on talking cowboys. We'll be back tomorrow. We flip it offense versus defense. The Cowboys defense, can they figure it out against Jaden Daniels, Washington Commanders offense. We're going to talk about it tomorrow, 9:00am Central Time right here on Dallas Cowboys.com for Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stamback, Crispin back. Thanks so much Black rifle coffee company. We appreciate you giving us some energy this morning. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from talking cowboys tomorrow.

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