Talkin’ Cowboys: Staying On the Line

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: Staying On the Line

Date: December 9, 2025
Podcast: Talkin' Cowboys
Host: Dallas Cowboys (Kyle Yeomans, Isaiah Stanbach, Patrick “No C” Walker, Josh Rodriguez)
Theme: Assessing the Cowboys’ playoff path, linebacker controversy, player development, and listener calls.

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Episode Overview

On this lively “Talkin’ Tuesday” episode, the crew fields a rapid-fire series of listener questions while breaking down the Dallas Cowboys’ playoff hopes, defensive issues—especially at linebacker—and the state of the roster following their underwhelming performance against Detroit. With a focus on engaging callers, the hosts debate whether the Cowboys can still win the NFC East, discuss player development under the new coaching staff, and navigate fan anxieties about the team’s potential heading into the season’s final stretch.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Injury Updates & Team News (03:28-06:00)

• CeeDee Lamb: Making progress in concussion protocol but still needs to clear benchmarks.
• Jadeveon Clowney: Expected to play against Minnesota after missing the Detroit game.
• Tyler Guy: On track to return for Vikings matchup.
• Trayvon Diggs: Was a last-minute decision vs. Detroit; close to being activated from IR. Jerry Jones says there are “a lot of eyes” on his return but clarifies it’s not in a negative sense.

  "That tells you just how close they were to getting Trayvon Diggs activated from injured reserve." – Isaiah Stanbach (04:32)

2. Linebacker Conundrum: Murray vs. Wilson (07:07-12:08)

• Growing frustration over Kenneth Murray’s continued snaps despite inconsistency, especially with Logan Wilson available.

• Jerry Jones was “non-committal” about the LB situation, hinting at more Logan Wilson soon.

• The panel agrees Murray’s play has only shown isolated flashes and believes the logic behind sticking with him is unclear other than “coaches having their guys.”

• Discussion on lack of development from recent LB draft picks (Marist Liufau, Shemar James).

• Emphasis placed on the responsibility of position coaches in player progression.

  “If you’re looking at the body of work in the Cowboys uniform [for Murray], it’s just been very… not great. There have been pockets of good football, but for the most part it’s like… No, no, no.” – Isaiah Stanbach (09:05)

  “We can’t just continue to not see productivity out of specific position groups and not have accountability had for the coaches that are responsible for those position groups.” – Patrick Walker (13:42)

3. Playoff Math and NFC East Hopes (24:26-33:20)

• Caller Mike (New York): Notes the team’s lack of aggression vs. Detroit, especially in contrast to the Chiefs game—hosts agree and label the performance “uncomplimentary football.”

• Caller Jason (New Jersey): Asks if the Cowboys can “be that nuclear giant” to make playoffs; hosts outline scenarios.

• Caller Nebby (Maryland): Breaks down playoff math clearly: Cowboys must win out, Eagles must lose at least two. Hosts agree this is possible but unlikely; Eagles end the season against weaker teams but have shown vulnerability.

• The panel debates whether to root for the Commanders or trust in Buffalo to beat Philly.

  “The Cowboys just need to give you more of a reason to believe—effective this Sunday against the Vikings.” – Isaiah Stanbach (27:00) "They (Eagles) need to lose Bills and they'll lose to Washington at least once." – Patrick Walker (33:20)

4. The Offensive Line, Dak’s Decision-making & Flournoy’s Emergence (35:35-51:52)

• Discussion on whether road noise affects Dak’s ability to change plays at the line. Conclusion: silent counts and hand signals mitigate home-field advantage to some extent.
• In-depth praise for Ryan Flournoy's development as a receiver:

  “He can get you 100 yards and some critical plays in important games. You just gotta make sure that you’re utilizing him correctly and putting him in spots to succeed… Ryan Flournoy—yeah, kinda good at American football.” – Isaiah Stanbach (51:05)

5. Defensive Turnovers & Philosophy (43:32-45:29)

• Caller John (Alaska): Observes Lions were more aggressive in trying to strip the ball than Dallas’ D.
• Hosts agree all defenses prioritize turnovers, but coaching teaches tackling first, ball-punching second—protection against missed tackles.

  “Your number one priority is to get the man down. Number two, if you’re in a position to get them down and you secure the tackle, then you try to go for the chicken strip.” – Patrick Walker (43:17)

6. Coaching, Development, and Accountability (13:17–17:33)

• Extended critique of the linebacker group’s lack of productivity over two coaching staffs.

• Reiteration that both staffs bear responsibility for the failure to develop recent draft picks.

• Hints that misfit between some players and new defensive scheme (Eberflus, Borgonzi) might be a key issue.

  “Something’s not clicking.” – Patrick Walker (17:33)

7. Rapid-Fire Fan Engagement (24:26-53:25)

• The crew attempts (with playful enforcement) to break a call-in record, urging fresh voices and concise questions.
• Callers mostly focus on playoff chances, frustration with linebacker rotation, Dak’s play, and appreciation for the hosts.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the linebacker mystery:

  “Why is the sun not covered in ice? I don’t know…” – Isaiah Stanbach (08:57)

• On the Carson Commanders’ odds of beating the Eagles:

  “You better believe in the Commanders when they play the Eagles.” – Patrick Walker (27:58)

• On player development responsibilities:

  "There has to be a responsibility placed on these coaches—not calling them out, but they equally deserve the scrutiny we place on the players." – Patrick Walker (15:40)

• On handling listener calls:

  “If your question is beyond 15–20 seconds, Beamer’s gonna hit the button.” – Patrick Walker (02:25)

• On Eagles’ media:

  “One of my favorite things to do after the Eagles lose is… I listen to Eagles podcasts and listen to them whine about losing. It is music to my ears.” – Josh Rodriguez (34:04)

• On the impact of noise on offense:

  “There’s so many things that are nonverbal cues now. It really shouldn’t impact you that much.” – Isaiah Stanbach (36:05)

• On the state of fan belief:

  “I think there is reason to believe. But my gosh, there’s a lot that has to go your way.” – Kyle Yeomans (27:06)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Injury Updates: 03:28–06:00
• Linebacker Drama: 07:07–12:08
• Player/Coach Accountability: 13:21–17:33
• Playoff Math & Fan Calls: 24:26–33:20
• Dak, O-Line, and Game Environment: 35:35–37:14
• Turnovers/Defensive Philosophy: 43:32–45:29
• Ryan Flournoy Praise: 50:29–51:52

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Conclusion

This episode artfully captures the anxious yet hopeful energy within Cowboys fandom as the postseason looms. With a balance of technical insight, playful banter, and inclusive fan engagement, the crew delves deep on the team’s most pressing questions: linebacker usage and development, defensive takeaways, playoff permutations, and Dak’s ability under pressure—ultimately recommending fans “take it a game at a time.”

The tone is passionate, occasionally irreverent, and always rooted in the everyday realities of Cowboys Nation. Don’t miss the episode if you want to understand both the tactical and emotional state of the team as the playoff picture tightens.

Transcript

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Caller]

CD Lamb.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Touchdown.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It's on.

[Caller]

Jake Ferguson. Touchdown. Keeps it and he bangs it in for the touchdown.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And now your hosts, Isaiah Stanbach, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans.

It's a talking Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle coffee company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas and the SWBC studio. Welcome in, everybody. We've got the whole cast and crew ready for you to rock today with Patrick Nosie Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stamback, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman. So glad you're with us. Call us on the phone line.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Call me now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

888-855-2297. Give us a call. Be a part of the show.

[Patrick Walker]

Do it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're gonna try and break a record today.

[Patrick Walker]

Let's go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Or at least like set a mark. I don't know if it's a record, but we're gonna try and get to 10 calls, double digits. That means if you're gonna call in and you're going to be 8-88-855229. Seven's lucky on the line, partner. Then you need to be concise. You need to be quick to your point. You need to get out of there so we can talk about it and move on to the next caller.

[Patrick Walker]

Two things. Challenge to our family.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay.

[Patrick Walker]

If you've never called in before.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Call in.

[Patrick Walker]

Call in today.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's do it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Call me now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like, see how many new callers we can get.

[Patrick Walker]

New callers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We love our current reoccurring callers.

[Patrick Walker]

We love our fam.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But that be fun.

[Patrick Walker]

Hey, if you never called before, I challenge you. Okay, I challenge.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We love new voices.

[Patrick Walker]

And then secondly, if your question is beyond 15, 20 seconds, Beamer's gonna hit the button.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, brother.

[Patrick Walker]

Oh, brother.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That also means, like, have one question.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Have one question. Get in, get out. Yeah, do it. Like storyline Tuesdays.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There you go. Is that what they do on Tuesday?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, because they're recording a Show on Beam is very nice to him on the phone. He's like, get in, get out, get off the phone.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Ten calls. That's what we're going to do.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Who was that that said beam butters them up? And we were like, bean, butter, butter beam, butter beam. I see what you did there. Butter bean, butter beam. Who was that a couple weeks ago that said that claimed made the allegation was like, yeah, Beam likes to butter. Now. We were like, beam doesn't butter.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was a caller, wasn't it? I don't butter people. That's on the phone.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, we know we're being fussy shit.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

We know.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's the joke.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We very aware of.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Absolutely not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love it, though, especially if you throw eggs. Stinky eggs. Yeah.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, Pat, let's get into some news and notes so we can maybe even take some calls here in this first. Oh, go, boys.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

And there's not a ton of news and notes. We talked about the injuries on yesterday in CD Lamb, Trayvon Diggs, Davion Clowney, Tyler Guy, and those being the headliners. Jerry Jones spoke with 153theFAN today. Didn't offer much insight into either of them. Just basically saying if he can get, you know, two of those three being Guy in CD Lamb and Aon Clowney, that Cowboys will be in a good spot.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Article forthcoming written by Tommy Irish.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I feel that's obvious. So. So we don't know where they are right now versus where they were yesterday. But as of yesterday, just to reiterate, CD Lamp has made progress within the concussion protocol. He still needs to pass his benchmarks in order to clear that Jadevion Clowney is expected take the field against the Minnesota Vikings big time. Yeah. Cowboys missed him in Detroit. Absolutely. Tyler Guy is on track to return against the Minnesota Vikings as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Very nice.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So that's. That's where they are with the injury front. Now, Trayvon Diggs, another part of the injury front. Jerry Jones said to 105. 3 the fan this morning that he turns out he was a gametime decision last week against the Detroit Lions. So that tells you just how close they were to getting Trayvon Diggs activated from injured reserve. That tells me that, you know, he has an equal or better chance of that occurring this week against the Vikings. Now the Cowboys are going to look closely at him during practice. I did find it interesting that Jerry Jones said there are, quote unquote, a lot of eyes on Trayvon Diggs in practice this week. And then he immediately kind of softened that by saying, not in a negative way.

[Caller]

Little.

[Patrick Walker]

Little fly fishing.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Kind of heard you there. Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why fly fishing?

[Patrick Walker]

Because fly fishing, you throw it out there and you bring it right back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Bring it back.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

We kind of heard you there, Jer.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So when's the last time you went fly fishing?

[Patrick Walker]

Never. You've never been fly Standing in bodies of water that I can't see in. It's not a thing that my.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, see, you people like me get into, you're in the wrong place. People like you gotta find, like, a nice, like, creek or something. See the bottom.

[Patrick Walker]

You've never seen a video of anybody like me standing in a body of water fly fishing and getting attacked by a catfish.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, honestly, you're not getting attacked by a catfish. If anything, your ankles get knot on by, like, an alligator guard.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah, bro. Heck, d, have you seen those teeth, bro?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Would you have had it happen to me? I used to fly fish all the time. See, this is why it's like one of my.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Not on an alligator, bro.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're standing in my ankles. Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Wow. I've never been fly.

[Patrick Walker]

Would you try it?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No. You know why? Because I'm from coastal Georgia and water moccasins are a thing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, those suck.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Why would I.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why. Why would I do that? I did have. There was one time, it was me and a buddy of mine, and there was just a straight up rattlesnake or not a rattlesnake. A copperhead that, like, swam in between us, Bro.

[Patrick Walker]

I'm shooting up the whole pond.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah, it was legit. It was in Waco. Of course, that's all we did.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Copperhead.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't know if it was. I can't remember if it was a copperhead. It was a snake, but it was.

[Patrick Walker]

Right in the beer.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We were out of there.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I was gonna say, all you would have seen me is that cartoon sil of smoke where I used to be.

[Patrick Walker]

St.

Y' all would have thought I was Jesus. I definitely would have been walking on water.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Out of there.

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[Isaiah Stanbach]

So, yeah. So Jerry Jones said a lot of eyes are on Trayvon Diggs. We'll see if he makes it back to the field this week and to kind of throw some. Some more chum in the water, you know, See what you do there. Yeah. You caught that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Regarding the linebacker situation, this is something that we've talked about. This is something that the fan base is starting to pick up and kind of have a rally cry for and or against, depending on which side of that equation you're on. I, for one, Am on the side of why the hell is Logan Wilson not playing? Playing.

[Patrick Walker]

Is it a calf?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No, no, no, no. So Jerry Jones spoke to it and I was actually pleasantly surprised to see how. How non committal he was to. Yeah, he was non committal to. To the K9 equation. So they asked him straight up. They said, you know, what's going on with. Could it be a ramp up thing? So Jared, he colored his commentary with it being a ramp up. But if you listen. Go back and listen to what he was actually saying, it sounds like he's saying we're going to expected to see more Logan Wilson as early as this week. Because he kept saying like that's what you brought Logan Wilson in for was competition to compete with Kendall Murray to compete at that spot. And then he said, well, you know, it's his fourth game and ramp up. Okay, cool. So all of that being said, I. I expect to see more Logan Wilson this week. So let's.

[Patrick Walker]

Do you truly believe that it was just a mental capacity thing in terms of absorbing the actual.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He was the green dot on his first game.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

My answer is no.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Against the Raiders and played the majority of the.

[Patrick Walker]

Just trying to do a process of here Kyle, if he's healthy, he's healthy, right? He's healthy and he understands coaches have guys.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, I understand that, man.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

But coaches have guys.

[Patrick Walker]

There's politics.

[Josh Rodriguez]

May I for one moment just does floose. What is flu seeing from Kenneth Murray that you're not seeing out of Logan Wilson in his limited time on the field? Why even Shemar James for that?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Why is the sun not covered in ice? I don't know, like not. Not even to be. Because I'm just being playful with Josh.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Of course.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

But seriously, like I, I don't know. Like objectively speaking, there have been pockets of games where Murray has played well. Pockets though, right? So like a couple weeks so ago, the PBU that created the tip drill, interception, things like that. There have been pockets right before the most part, if you look at the body of his work and not to beat up on the guy, but let's just talk the science of it. If you're looking at the body of work in the Cowboys uniform, it's just been very. Not great. Okay. On the whole, there have been pockets of good football, but for the most part it's like. No, no, no. That's why you went and got Logan Wilson in the first place. Because Kenneth Murray had been playing up to standard. Because keep in mind you traded for Murray as well. Yeah. So if Murray had been playing up to standard, also knowing he has to leverage being a guy who you traded for, then you're not trading for Logan Wilson at the trade deadline, but you went and did that. So then to make that move and three games in, be asking the question, why is Logan Wilson not seeing the reps that he needs to see? I don't have a logical leg answer for that. I just don't.

[Patrick Walker]

It's three games plus other than the week that you have.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Other than coaches have their guys.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Which is to say if, if Jack Sambo wasn't on, wasn't dealing with the groin injury and sideline, probably still be seeing some Jack Sambo there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But do you think having a mini buy in between, all of that and of course Jerry Jones now saying that we're probably going to see more Logan Wilson having a mini by. By in between, that makes it a little more understandable that they wanted to give him more time to understand the defense.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Did Quinn Williams get a ramp up?

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, not at all.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Okay. All right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But does. Does he need one necessarily? It's less at that position.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah. But is Logan Wilson and one of the green flags for Logan Wilson coming in and us saying that he should be able to get out, get kind of thrown out there. Exactly. High, high football iq and he's a veteran. Yeah.

[Patrick Walker]

It's been. How many games? Three. Three games plus the week.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah.

[Patrick Walker]

So four weeks.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So four weeks. Why the, why is the sun not covered?

[Josh Rodriguez]

But you had three games in 11 days during that time. I mean, I think part of that is I, I think what, what day. Bad timing. Exactly. For, for all of that to kind of go down. But this may buy. If we're expecting to see more of them, then I'm like, all right, well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Then I'm kind of with you. I'm not freaking out for not seeing.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I'm not freaking out right now. It's like, it's the question, though.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It's a viable question. Yeah, sure. So that's. I'm glad you said it, but I.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Don'T think it's something to panic about right this second. Like.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

But you have to. Fans and analysts who are demanding clarity are right in doing so is all I'm saying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Like we're justified in demanding clarity. If, if it were a situation where they were ramping up a guy like Quinn and Williams, then, then it'd be like, oh, well, okay, what are we doing? This is not that. But this is most certainly at least a. Can we get an actual answer as to why this is the case.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And the answer you got today was no.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No, there's not an answer. So again, this isn't to beat up on Kenneth Murray as much as it is to say you traded for Logan Wilson. Why is Logan Wilson not playing and you traded for him to compete with Kenneth Murray.

[Patrick Walker]

You also drafted a couple linebackers too.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Shamar and Maris. Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They got marriage chained to a radiator.

[Patrick Walker]

Radiator spring.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Because he's a dog.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You talk about pockets of good and pockets of bad, though the majority of the pockets of good of Marist has been on special teams and the majority of the pockets of bad have been on defense.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

And you know what's crazy about that?

[Kyle Yeomans]

He hasn't played well.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Is the majority of the pockets on good last year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're on defense. So yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Then the question becomes is what's the disconnect between MARISLEY Foul and IBRFLU's system? That's the question.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. There's something.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

There's something not. Not javing there. Yeah.

[Patrick Walker]

So no.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No koi.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No koi. Isaiah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Eating your.

[Patrick Walker]

Your fruit instead.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I say that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Finish your BlackBerry, sir?

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why are you eating in the middle of the show?

[Patrick Walker]

Because I am a healthy Kyle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, my gosh.

[Patrick Walker]

My body is my temple.

I have development. Positional coaches have a responsibility.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yes.

[Patrick Walker]

Oftentimes analysts and fans, we look directly at the simply the athlete. Not enough emphasis is being placed on the development of players by position coaches. Something I speak on frequently.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You said it before.

[Patrick Walker]

We can't just continue to.

Not see productivity out of specific position groups and not have accountability had for the coaches that are responsible for those position groups.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So for the linebackers, it would be Dave Borgonzi. He's the linebacker's coach. Should there be a conversation about Borgonzi? Not necessarily like moving on from. But in terms of accountability.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yes.

[Patrick Walker]

Look at it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Walker]

Look at it like this. You had a Damone Clark we drafted. They figured it didn't work out.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yep.

[Patrick Walker]

Damon walks out. We're sitting here talking about Marisley if out we drafted, saying that he's not.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Clicking the linebacker position, not seeing the field.

[Patrick Walker]

Shemar James we drafted. Not seeing him on the field. The way in which we're talking about. We continue talking about other veterans. Usually when you draft guys, you want to see them on the field. Yeah, but those are three guys. Not all in the same category, but all three guys that have been invested in. In terms of draft equity that we haven't seen the productivity that you. We would like to see. Yeah, I can't say that completely for Shamar James. I really liked him as, as a player right now. I like. Yeah, I understand he's a rookie too for sure. And obviously these other guys are have a couple more years on there but in totality these are guys that we drafted and then did not see the development out of to date today, regardless of the timeline, whether you're Ricky or whether you're a Damone right into your third, fourth year, whatever it is. I have questions about the development of particular position groups.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Right.

[Patrick Walker]

We said the same thing about defensive line. Right. There was individuals that were drafted and they weren't developed. Right. So like there has to be a responsibility placed on these coaches not calling them out. I'm just saying that they equally deserve the, the scrutiny or the analysis that we place on the players. If you're not seeing a consistent productivity out of the whole group, it can't just always be the players.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I would put a lot of that. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I would put a lot of that on the previous coaching staff, not the current coaching staff.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Do too.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Especially with. When it comes to the defensive line that you're talking about also with, with Maris, Lia Fowl, even though he did ball out and he played well and he was able to develop. And then you're talking about what was the third name we're thinking of? Damone Clark. That was the other guy you were talking about. I put that more on the previous coaching staff. Up until this point, Maris is the one question mark that I have just because of the scheme and the flip.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Of a scheme and he didn't forget to play defense in one year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Exactly. So I think he just probably doesn't fit the same way that we thought he would with Coach Eberfluss or with Borgonzi or whatever it may be. I don't necessarily put all of that lack of development on this coaching staff because they've been here just as long as a lot of these players have. I same thing with, I mean she, Mark James and Dave Borgonzi have been here with the exception of about two months, the same amount of time. So it's going to take a little bit of time for those guys to develop. You're not developing Kenneth Murray, you're not developing Jack Sanborn.

[Patrick Walker]

Those are guys that you still need. They still need help.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I agree.

[Patrick Walker]

I'm saying. So when we look at the group as a whole. Right, that's what I'm saying. Both staffs.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All I'm saying Is that it's not all on one. No, no, it's not on one.

[Patrick Walker]

That's exactly my point. Right. It's not all on one staff, but had two stabs with Damone. Didn't work out. We've had two stabs with Maris. Leaf out. Doesn't seem to be working because he.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Doesn'T fit the scheme.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Patrick Walker]

Now we've had one staff with Shamar James. He's not on the field. In which we hope they continue to find other people to put in front of him. They dra. They. They. They trade for Murray. Not wor. Working out the way people thought. They trade for Logan Wilson. We're still waiting. Right. So. So, so I'm. There's a trend here. Yeah, there's a trend. I can't. I can't help but identify the trend. It's either lack development or they don't fit the scheme or they need more time. Like there's something's not clicking.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Another big part of that is that the defensive scheme changed. You only have two linebackers on the field at a time now. And are you taking the Marvin Overshone off the field right now? The only question mark right now is Kenneth Murray and his.

[Patrick Walker]

The.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The amount of time that they're giving him on the field and the fact that he's not necessarily. He's reading the play just fine, but he's getting himself out of position. So why not then supplement those reps for Logan Wilson, a guy that you traded for but like you traded for Bird Maris is right there.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Here's the question. This year.

Okay. You're not taking over shown off the field.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You're not. Absolutely not. Has Overshone played the entire season?

[Kyle Yeomans]

No.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No. Okay. Before Overshone came back, were we having the same question mark about why Sanborn and Ormond. Okay, so you mean to tell me that. Let me put it this way. I forgot there's a comedy nominated.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Be it overshown, available or unavailable, be it Sanborn versus Marist or Kenneth Murray versus Logan Wilson versus Marist. Yeah. Shamar James. There's a common thread for sure this entire season. Yes. And the question is what's the thread?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I love to hear fans weighing on.

[Patrick Walker]

And it's true.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, who would you start at? Linebacker. That's the question.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No, that ain't the question.

[Patrick Walker]

The question is why is it that. Why is it that nobody's clicking?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, that's the question.

[Patrick Walker]

Why is it that we have an excuse for every single person that we just listed when we drafted two guys over the last two years at that position, Right? Or is it three? Three guys or whatever it might be. We traded for two and we signed one free agent and none of them are panning out the way you would. You want it? None. But it's the players.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And now you've got some guys up front that can can hold up their blocks and do their thing at the same time too. All right, we got to take our first break. When we come back, we've got 10 calls to get to.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

We're.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We just made it really tough on you. Just so you know. When we come back with more talking cowboys right after this.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Hey, yeah. I can't believe he ate the whole.

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And I can't believe we're staging a comeback.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Touchdown.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

We gotta hurry pat. Just count three or four.

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[Isaiah Stanbach]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Five turnovers and two in one play.

[Patrick Walker]

First.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

First down throw.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, game 22, 19.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Chargers beat the Eagles in overtime and it was a good one. Let's get to Mike in New York. Our first caller.

[Patrick Walker]

Mike.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's going on dude?

[Caller]

What's Going on, guys. I, I was happy about the Eagles losing, but I wish that I was. I know Dallas had an. They, you know, they played the Lions and it was just like they took a step back. I mean, I feel like they didn't play as aggressive as they did when they played the Chiefs. I mean, I know it's the NFL. It's as we talk about it every week to week league. It's just, you know, we, I don't know, we just. I don't know what it was. I. I don't know what it was. Everybody, everybody. We didn't play well. Defense, I mean offense didn't do too bad but they, you know, I mean Dak obviously didn't have the time that he normally. It's just what the defense, they just, they didn't play well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I agree, Mike. Appreciate the call. As always. Kind of just outlined what we talked about on Friday. Talk about how the offense didn't play well, defense didn't play well, special teams didn't play well. It was uncomplimentary football. Uncomplimentary at its finest. Is that a word?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah.

[Patrick Walker]

Is it?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Why don't you google it, Kyle?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I probably won't.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Like you did. Liquidity.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, liquidity is a word I give, I gave credit there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't know if it is what.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I do, but yes, I agree, Mike. And hopefully they're able to turn that around this week. Let's go to Jason in New Jersey. Jason, what's going on?

[Caller]

What's up guys? Super, super excited to be on the show. Thank you so much for taking my call. I am in Eagles territory so I have to hear this stuff all the time.

I just want to say you guys have the best well rounded show and I love it. Thank you so much for all you do, Isaiah. Super proud of you, man. I've been watching you for a long time, brother. Appreciate it.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yes, sir.

[Caller]

I just want to say so. No, see, like space is cold, the sun is hot. But I want to know, can the Cowboys be that nuclear giant to make.

[Patrick Walker]

It to the playoffs?

[Caller]

Do you still believe? Love you guys. I'll talk to you later.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good question there, Jason.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Oh, that guy's good.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Do you believe in the Cowboys?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Oh, wait, do we? Hey, avert your eyes. Fandom. In the chat, we're going to say the P word.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, gosh.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Playoffs.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, gosh. Got a long way to go to get there.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, you got a long way to go.

[Patrick Walker]

You got to win four.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

The math is, is working in your favor. The charges Defeated the easy though.

[Patrick Walker]

Oh, don't be Coil Kai.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, I'm not being Koi, Kyle. I'm saying it in my chest.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I'm gonna answer the caller Koi with a K. He wants to know if we believe. The math says you have a right to believe. You have four games left. You're only one and a half games behind. You have two more divisional games left. The Eagles are falling apart. Looks like the Cowboys broke them with that 21 point comeback.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I hope so.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You have a reason to believe. The Cowboys just need to give you more of a reason to believe. Effective this Sunday against the Vikings.

[Patrick Walker]

Good talk.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I agree with you. I think there is reason to believe. But my gosh, there's a lot that has to go your way. You got to win all four. Then the Eagles who play the Raiders, the Commanders, the Bills and the Commanders. Again, the Bills game you could probably count as a possible loss.

[Patrick Walker]

Let's go Commanders.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You need the Eagles to slip up against one of the worst teams in the NFL on three different occasions. Twice against the Commanders and once against the Raiders.

[Patrick Walker]

Going to happen.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So it needs to happen in order for you to even have a shot.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

The Commander and they just got the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They just got their butts whooped by the Vikings.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Shut out.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

All the more reason who had a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Four game losing streak and beat him. 31 matchups.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So you're saying they need to bounce back.

[Patrick Walker]

I would show something strong. I believe in Commanders.

[Kyle Yeomans]

When it comes against the Eagles.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

When it comes against the Eagles.

[Patrick Walker]

I do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love it.

[Patrick Walker]

You can say no all you want to. You better believe in the Commanders when they play.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No, that's fine. But I ain't not gonna taint the clap.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's go to Nebby in Silver Spring, Maryland. We've got Nebby on the line. Debbie knows ball. What's up, dude?

[Caller]

Hi, Kyle. Hi, guys. How are you? Thank you so much for taking my call. And I just want to say that you guys took the words right out of my mouth because.

I was going to say that I've been doing the math and.

In order for us to win the NFC east.

And make the playoffs, we have to win out I, I, I, I. And the Philadelphia Eagles.

Have to lose.

Two of their remaining.

Four games.

It's not.

Likely to happen considering who the Eagles have remaining on their schedule.

However.

It is possible.

We just have to take things one game at a time, take care of our own business.

And the rest will take care of itself.

Take care. Thank you so much for being patient with me. I have a great week.

[Patrick Walker]

Yes, sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There he goes.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Ball.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Love, Nevi.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love the way he outlined that at the end. And it's kind of what Isaiah was talking to last week. As long as they take it one game at a time, I feel like they have a shot. They should win these games. The Chargers game is going to be the toughest one. That's the toughest one remaining. They're familiar with those guys and you're playing them at home. So you've got, you've got that at your factor. I think you've got, you've got a likelihood to win the final four games. You just need the Eagles slip up.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Twice just now and it could happen.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's hard to do.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But they have a championship caliber defense.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Absolutely.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Like you saw it on display last night. They refuse to lose that game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They turned it over five times and twice in one play.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And gave short field to Justin Herbert, who's been one of the best quarterbacks and one of the best offenses in the Chargers all year. And they gave up 19 points in regulation and lost in over seven sacks.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

On Justin Herbert.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I, I agree with you. Just, it's going to be tough and I, we think in Marcus Mariota and I mean, who knows if Jaden Daniels is still going to play.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And I don't want to burst our bubble here because the Dallas Cowboys have elements of that. They can be a championship level offense, but you have not seen it consistently enough. And a big part of that is your offensive line. You have the weapons. There's no doubt about it. No doubt you have Dak Prescott, but can you afford him enough time against championship caliber defenses? Because if we're talking about getting into the playoffs, okay, who are you playing in the first round? Is it going to be Seattle? Is it going to be Green Bay again? Yeah, the Rams, like. Are you telling me that you feel confident with this offensive line going up against those defensive lines?

[Patrick Walker]

Take 49ers for $10, please.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, that'd be great in a perfect world, but I don't know necessarily that you're built for that quite yet.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I mean, going to the Eagles side of the equation, there's no denying their defense. No deny their defense, but their offense can lose them three of these next four games.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah, agreed.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

That's what, that's what I'm saying. So you make a good point. Do you think Marcus Mariota. Don't know. Doubtful. Right. But flip the coin. Do you think Jalen hurts in this offense can beat the Commander's defense.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They at least have weapons, though. I know their offensive line is kind of a mess right now, but they at least have Barkley and they still have Devonte Smith and AJ Brown can put up 100 yards if they throw him the football.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They did throw.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Dallas got. Got her, did his thing last tips and over.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. AJ Brown has 100 plus receiving yards in each of the last three games that they've lost.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Right. And you know what else he had? He was also a reason, a key reason that they did lose.

[Caller]

They did lose, right?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah. Dropped the ball.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Dropped the ball. Yep. Created one of the ints. Yep. And I will give Herz this much credit. That ball, that deep ball perfect against the Chargers, that. That could have broke the game. That would.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That was the game.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Right in the hands. Right, the hands. So again, yeah, throw AJ the ball in. So the offense for the Eagles, who will lose in these games, they'll lose one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You think so?

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But are they going to lose two?

[Patrick Walker]

They just lost one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, no, no. They need to lose more.

[Patrick Walker]

They need two more.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They need to lose two more, I think.

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Yeah.

[Patrick Walker]

They'll lose Bills. They'll lose Bills and they'll lose to.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Washington at least once.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I like it. All right, let's go to one more caller before we take our second break. Robert in California. What up, Robert?

[Caller]

Up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Robert Drop.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No, Rob.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Robert Bruce. All right.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

What's up?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Bruce in Philadelphia.

[Patrick Walker]

He didn't have AT&T.

[Caller]

What's up, guys?

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's up, man?

[Caller]

How's it going?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Also, man, you got a great show.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Appreciate you, bro.

[Caller]

I know, man. It is bedlam up here. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful.

Yeah, I had to. I gotta listen to my fellows over here. But to listen to Philly sports talk radio when the Eagles lose like this is insane. I mean, you got people want to jump bridges and everything. It's crazy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let me.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Let me share something with you, Bruce. One of my favorite things to do after the Eagles lose is whenever I go to sleep, I listen to Eagles podcasts and listen to them whine about losing. It is my favorite thing.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It is hate. Listen.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It is music to my ears.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Please.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I encourage that. Every time the Eagles lose, please just check out any of their podcasts, because they're all insane.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm not giving them the numbers.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I mean, I do it on a separate account.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

On the dark, wet.

Incognito mode. No, it's great. Thank you, Bruce.

[Caller]

Yeah. Hey, guys, listen, I had a question. Like, I think one of the things that gets overlooked is like, you know, in terms of, well, the Cowboys didn't play as well against Detroit as they played those previous three games. You really can't underestimate the ability for Dak Prescott to make those changes at the line, particularly with the tackles when he's making those line calls and changing plays when they're home. Obviously it's a whole different vibe. And how much if you guys could just chime in and just. But the calls now, how much is that a factor in terms of his ability to change calls or get us into the perfect play where he can do that more so at home and maybe so much not on the road. So I see the lack of aggressiveness sometimes with the play calling on the road. And also the other question I had now, you know, I can listen offline is are we talking about two playoff spots that may be up for grabs at the end of year? We know about the NFC east one in terms of winning division. But the Bears, I know the Bears have nine wins now, but I think three of their last four games too look really daunting. And it seems to me that you either going to win 10 games or 11 games and the Cowboys being at 10, 6 and 1, they may have a chance at one of those wild card spots. Or do they? I'll listen offline. Good. Listen to you guys.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Good call, Bruce. I want to start with Isaiah on the quarterback thought changing the play at the line of scrimmage easier on the on the road or easier at home and does it affect it one way or the other From a play calling.

[Patrick Walker]

Standpoint, changing the play is obviously easier than the less noise. There is sure communication but there's so many things that are nonverbal cues now. It really doesn't shouldn't impact you that much. There's things that you do in practice, blaring music, blaring speakers, whatever it might be crowd noise that prepare you. Now it's not going to be the same exact thing as in the game, but majority of your verbal communication goes towards your offensive lineman, your tight end and your running back. So you can. That's why you see quarterbacks walk up, talk to those guys and everybody else gets hand signals.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. And then the second point about the Bears, I'm looking at their final four games, Browns, Packers, 49ers, Lions. So I agree with him. Three of the four are pretty daunting. But if they win one more then they would be 10. That would get them to 10 and 7. If they win, they win.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If they if they win it and they they only win one more, you're a 10 and 7. So you would get in. If you win all four of yours and they only win one more, that's a lot of hope for you need them to slip up three times against formidable competition or you need Philadelphia to slip up once against Philadelphia or once against Buffalo and then once against a not so formal.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Better chances are to try to take this division, I think. So that's what I focus on. Try to take the division. And if you happen in trying to take the division, if you happen to accidentally fall into a wild card, right, take it. But you got to aim for the division, not the wild card.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think that's kind of where we're at. All right, when we come back on Talking Cowboys, we're going to go all the way out to the great state of Alaska. We're going to hear from our friend John in a moment. More Talking Cowboys right after this.

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Touchdown.

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Back here on Talking Cowboys. This segment is brought to you by Invisalign, the official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. We've gotten through five callers. Here's John in Alaska. What's going on John?

[Caller]

Hey there. Good morning, good morning, good morning.

What's that?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Has the sun come up yet?

[Caller]

John? I was just gonna say it's really dark, really cold, and really early. There's something I really need to kind of wake me up this morning.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You're on the black rifle.

[Caller]

Blood.

Sorry. That was for you, Patrick.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

All right. Get you some.

[Caller]

Blood. Like vampires.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I get it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Do you? I don't. I'm. I'm. I'm curious about the reference here. Okay. Yeah, I don't think so, John.

[Caller]

Sorry.

[Kyle Yeomans]

30 days a night.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It's 30 days a night. 30 days a night.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

All right.

[Caller]

Yeah. There you go.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

There you go.

[Caller]

So I got to watch the game, and the difference that I saw between the defenses is the Lions defense was always trying to strip the ball. They were going after the ball with our offensive guys. That was prevalent with the turnovers. And it didn't seem like our defense was really trying to do that. They were more focused on tackling, it seemed like, to me. So I was kind of wondering from. From your guys, because I appreciate the fact that you guys get to watch film. Is that something that our defense is prioritizing is. Is going after the ball and trying to get takeaways?

[Patrick Walker]

Go for it.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah.

[Patrick Walker]

Thanks for the call. First of all, man. Yeah. I mean, yeah, all defenses prioritize trying to take the ball away. So I'm not going to sit up here and accuse our defense of not doing the same. It's just so. So be it. That certain situations a lot for you to go after the ball more so than others. For instance, the. The punch out. I think that Campbell had. The tackle was already secured. The tackle was secure. So all his job now is to come. Since the tackle is already secured, he has ability to now come out and just simply try to punch at the ball. Your number one priority is to get the man down. Number two, if you're in a position to get them down and you secure the tackle, then you try to go for the chicken strip. So that is kind of how most teams teach it. I can't speak to what the Cowboys do, but I know that we've seen them in training camp. You guys see them in pre. It is a point of emphasis, for sure.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I mean, I. Listening to Shoddy over the last couple of weeks talk about the turnover differential and, like, just being frustrated by it, obviously, because the. The turnovers are not quite there for the defense like he wants them to be like anybody wants him to be. Right. But I don't have any doubt that there's an emphasis on it. And you have a lot of playmakers, including Duron Bland, who is efficient at making those interceptions and being able to be a ball hawk.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But you're not seeing it click this year. But I think a lot of that is the communication struggles that they've had all season with the defense and having to change the scheme midway through the season. I think the more you're able to get these guys playing time, like we're talking about getting Logan Wilson involved, getting players that you're not really seeing a lot on the field right now, I think the more different looks that you get on defense, the more opportunities like that will come about.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I mean, bottom line is just exactly what you guys are saying. Like, priority number one has to be getting guy to the ground. Has to be. Because when you prioritize punching the ball away over that, what you start to see is something that plagued the Cowboys more often than not. Which are. Which are missed tackles. So coaches, if they're coaching it the right way, it's about getting the guy wrapped up, and then the free runner, he's the one that should come in and punch at it while the guy. So if you have the guy, if you're the first one to the guy and you're taking them down, priority one, get that guy to the ground. And while you're on the way to the ground, sure kind of jab at the ball. But it should never be the other.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Way around about rally to the ball. That is a term that's brought up a lot.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

And, yeah, swarm to it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You have to be able to do that in this event.

[Patrick Walker]

Did he grab you like this, or.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Was it like.

Get off me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's go to Eric in North Carolina. Eric, you're on talking Cowboys. What's going on?

[Eric]

What's up, guys?

[Caller]

What's up?

[Eric]

It's my first time calling.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Hey, sir.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Thank you, bro.

[Eric]

Hey, I'm. I admire you guys work. You guys. You guys are some of the. Some of the reasons why, like, that was cowboy sports media, the podcast network stuff you guys give us on the web website. In the app, it's second to none.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thanks, man.

[Eric]

You guys put your money where your mouth is. Y' all walk the wall. And I just gotta get y' all flowers now.

[Caller]

I'm a normal.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Call in every week, man.

[Eric]

Yeah, I will. I'm a normal guy with a regular with, like, hanging with the boys.

[Patrick Walker]

Oh, cool.

[Eric]

Me and Shannon Grove. That's my dog Chris.

[Caller]

Know me.

[Eric]

So, you know.

[Caller]

But.

[Eric]

But I just want to, you know, say that to you guys. So I made my little quick Comment, man. Keep up the work. Keep up the good work, y'.

[Caller]

All.

[Eric]

The public commentary you guys do doing those games, you know, Isaiah and Kyle, you guys are just top quality five star material, man.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Thanks, bro.

[Eric]

And I do want my comments about Kenneth Murray. I, I don't want to trash pile up on a guy, but, you know, the tape he's been putting out all year long is just so disturbing. I overrun the plays. I like. He's, he said diagnosed plays, missed tackles. He's in the spot, the right place, the right time, not finishing the play. He's running himself out of play. Y' all see what I'm talking about? What if. What is the issue where he's getting those reps? Why isn't one leap from. I've seen, I guess, new a lot of youth behind him. I don't know, but I just feel like if we can just solidify that, you know, that, that linebacker spot, man, you know, as far as finish blaze, like you guys were saying, and you know, getting guys on the ground, man, diagnosing planes, keeping guys in a long distance, down the distance in third down. So we could just get that, man, I feel like we're gonna make a hell of a run. But yo, once again, thank you guys for taking my call. And you guys keep bringing the thunder. I'm gonna keep listening, man. Cowboy for life.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, sir.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good call.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Thank you, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Appreciate you, man. What do you think?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Like, positive affirmations there?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, a lot of that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Do that all the time.

[Patrick Walker]

I think we hit on a lot of it earlier in the show, so I keep this one short. Yeah, I. We don't truly know what they're, what they're talking about in those meeting rooms. We really just don't. Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So we don't know halfway what they're doing in practice.

[Patrick Walker]

Yeah, we don't know what they're doing there. We don't know the capacity or where the other linebackers that he's competing with are at in their development and their understanding of what their collective assignments are. There's one, there's one portion from a coach's standpoint where you have to be comfortable and confident in your guy's ability to be able to understand what you're running scheme wise. That might be his advantage. Maybe the other guys aren't as far along in their understanding of the defense as a whole, but maybe their instincts are better. Right. So maybe they're just swapped. Maybe they're, they, they're, they're, they're, they're the positive for Murray is that he probably understands the defense, and maybe the other guys don't. Right. But the positives for the other guys is that they probably have better instincts and better run fits, and maybe, obviously Kenneth Murray just is having a rough time with that. So if you're.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Get to the spot. If they don't read it correctly, yeah, they have the ability, the athletic ability to run to that spot.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Exactly.

[Patrick Walker]

And I'm just throwing that out there. Right. That may or may not be the case, but for me, if I were. I mean, I don't coach linebackers, but if I were to coach Kenneth Murray, regardless of how long he's been in the league, I would ask him to put in more time on film, because sometimes your eyes can betray you, and that's why you have to spend so much time on film to assist you in that regard.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, let's get to at least one more caller. This is one of our faves as well. Part of the family. Hoodie Kush from the basement.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

See, you're not blocked. Hoodie. What are you talking about?

[Caller]

I noticed that. What's going on? What's going on? Titans of this cowboy space. I'm happy to be on with you guys, as usual. You know what I'm saying? Just want to throw some things out there. I'll make it quick. I don't think Ryan Flournoy is getting a much love or getting to getting enough love, and I don't think Dak Prescott is getting enough love for what he actually had to do in that Detroit game. Yes, the two interceptions, they're problematic, but those two interceptions were not on him. I love the fact that Jalen Squirts threw about four interceptions last night and had his shortcomings, if you will. And, yeah, I'm just. I'm hoping that we can take advantage. If the Eagles continue to melt down like, you know, Chernobyl, and we continue to ascend like the Rockets that we are, then I think we'll be in a good spot. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna dawdle too long. Just want to say what's up to my boys, you know, the Titans in the space, and I'm always happy to be on with y'. All.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thanks for the call. Patrick, how do you feel about Ryan Flournoy?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Well, first of all, I don't know why y' all trying to Sydney Sweeney me over here.

What does that mean? But Ryan Flournoy, day one. Flo Rider, Flow Hive. Listen and listen closely. Isaiah, stand back. Who wants to draft a receiver in the first round. I shan't let you do it. I shan't what I say. Because you got Ryan Flanoy. And when you got Ryan Flanoy, damn it, you got a chance. Okay?

Seriously, man, all jokes aside, Ryan Flournoy, he's blossoming in year two. He's showing you that if push comes to shove, he can get you 100 yards and some critical plays in important games. You just got to make sure that you're utilizing him correctly and putting him in spots to succeed. But this is a guy who has refined his route running. He's an athletic freak. He's. He's yards after the catch. He's shedding tackles. He's physical with getting guys off of him, stiff arms, running around him. He'll run through you. He'll high point the ball and attack it at its highest point. He's a violent guy at the line of scrimmage. So if you want to press him, do so at your own peril. Might not end well for you and the family that's watching you, hoping you have a good day in that particular rep. So, yeah, Ryan Floyd. Yeah. Kind of good at American football. Appreciate that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Mic drop.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Mic drop.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Congratulations, Patrick. Well done, dude. You've been on the Ryan Flournoy hype shots, and he's been giving him one.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's been giving Flannoy his flowers since he was drafted.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Seriously?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Highly, highly impressive.

[Patrick Walker]

Great eyes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The photos for those that are listening on our audio only, or even that couldn't really see it in terms of the boxes. We pushed all of our mics to Patrick in the middle of the phone call, and then I had to somehow get it back to Pat because he was on his phone halfway through the phone call, and I don't even know if he was asking.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I was listening.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, you did hear it.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Okay. I was also replying to our good friend Nicole Hutchinson. She was asking me about a program note. The next thing that's coming up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But the. We pushed all our mics over there, and the photos that are going to come out here in a little bit are really funny, so you'll enjoy that. All right, that does it for us here on Talking Cow. We got the seven. Got the seven. If you want to count the one that dropped, we could say eight.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

We got the eight. All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We got the eight. There you go. We took the call. He was just gone, so.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right.

[Patrick Walker]

Because you all train it, destroy the whole set.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, he just pushed it all away. That's unfortunate for Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. Join us tomorrow. We'll have Cowboys QB vision so we take a look at the Minnesota scouting yeah, it's time to scout the Vikings Vikings tomorrow who of course took down the commanders who we need to win. Go Commanders, baby. Get it done against the Eagles, please. Let's keep it going. All right. That doesn't cost. We'll see you tomorrow with more talking Cowboy.

[Caller]

Just win, no claps.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hey, this has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Eric]

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