Talkin’ Cowboys: Sunday Night Stalemate

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: Sunday Night Stalemate
Podcast Summary
Episode Date: September 29, 2025
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Patrick No Cee Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy Yarish, Chris Beam (producer)

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Overview of the Episode

The Dallas Cowboys podcast crew gathers at The Star in Frisco to break down the wildest game of the Cowboys’ 2025 season so far: a 40-40 overtime tie with the Green Bay Packers. In a game that defied logic and NFL scoring history, the team examines how such a high-octane battle managed to end without a winner, the implications for the Cowboys, and the big questions around overtime rules, player execution, and what this all says about the season’s trajectory. The panel gets deep into the frustrations (and a few positives) in a tie that satisfies no one, setting up a classic "good, bad, and ugly" analysis.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

The Emotional Fallout and Surreal Nature of the Tie

• First Cowboys Tie in Memory: For most hosts, this was the first time experiencing an NFL tie outside of preseason. (03:00)
  • “First tie that I’ve experienced since a preseason game forever ago… What a weird night.” – Patrick No Cee Walker (02:49)
• Scoring Oddity: 40-40 was nearly a "Scorigami," the second-highest-scoring tie since 1964’s 43-43 affair. (03:18)
• No Satisfying Sentiment: The mood is stuck between disappointment and relief—“a stalemate Monday,” “mid Monday,” and a “monotone Monday.” (02:26–02:49)

Overtime Rules and the Meaninglessness of a Tie

Timestamps: 04:29 – 11:15

• Strong Critique of Ties:
  • “NFL, you are a professional league. And this is not soccer… Winner or loser is what we need, damn it. Make football great again.” – Josh Rodriguez (04:30)
  • “The only thing I can say for certain… is that the NFL should change its overtime rules and officially take ties out of football.” – Kyle Yeomans (05:03)
• Perspective from Jerry Jones and Players:
  • Jerry is unfazed, saying simply, "the game is the game." Players, on the other hand, are confused, many didn’t know a tie was possible. (05:44–06:22)
  • “I asked Jake Ferguson, and he said, ‘I could have gone another quarter… we thought that's what was going to happen’.” – Josh Rodriguez (06:18)
• Player Safety vs. Fan/Player Desire: Chris Beam plays devil’s advocate for ties to protect player health in a long NFL season (07:51), but others counter by citing other league decisions that contradict stated safety priorities (e.g., Thursday Night Football, international travel). (09:14)
• Cinematic/Ambiguous Endings: Patrick Walker likens the draw to a “cinematic, A24-esque ending”—perfectly ambiguous for storylines like who won the offseason trade. (10:16)
• Micah Parsons Sack Debate: Several minutes are spent debating the ambiguous stat-keeping around a crucial Micah Parsons sack that nearly saved the game. (11:16–12:12)

The Good, Bad, and Ugly: Game Recap

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The Bad: Defensive Failures, Missed Opportunities, and Boneheaded Penalties

Timestamps: 23:23 – 36:23

• Run Defense Collapses Down the Stretch:
  • Green Bay scored on its final five drives—three touchdowns and two field goals. (24:21)
  • “The defense gives up 40 points and could not stop a nosebleed… five straight scoring drives…” – Kyle Yeomans (23:34)
• Lack of Sacks and Pressure:
  • Only one sack for the Cowboys—Micah Parsons late in the game. (14:07)
  • Packers O-line (especially the tackles) handled Parsons and the Cowboys' pass rush surprisingly well. (13:01–13:41)
• Missed Tackles and Communication Issues:
  • Several hosts call out linebacker Jack Sanborn for slow play and recurring issues, and rookie Marist Leofau for missed tackles/penalties. (27:32–33:57)
  • “What are we doing? … He is, for lack of a better term, just really slow.” – Patrick Walker on Sanborn (33:58)
  • Communication issues in coverage still plague defense, even in week four. (29:37)
• Discipline—A Recurring Problem:
  • 11 accepted penalties for 95 yards; several self-inflicted wounds marred both sides of the ball. (28:55)
  • “Self-inflicted wounds… Some of the worst ones.” – Josh Rodriguez (28:55)
  • 12-men-on-the-field flag (the second this season), and dumb personal fouls (notably Marist Leofau late hit, and Donovan As Roccu’s face mask). (29:18–29:49; 36:18)
• Inability to Finish:
  • Offense failed to punch it in on first-and-goal from the five in overtime; defense then could not get a final stop. (31:48)
• Unbelievable Stat:
  • “Teams with 40 points or more and no turnovers were 300-0 at home in the Super Bowl era. … It’s 300-0-1 now.” – Kyle Yeomans (32:06)

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The Good: Offensive Breakouts, Special Teams Impact, Individual Standouts

Timestamps: 41:32 – 53:03

• Dak Prescott’s MVP-Level Play:
  • “Is anybody in the NFL playing a higher brand of quarterback right now?” – Kyle Yeomans (41:42)
  • 4 total touchdowns (3 passing, 1 rushing), over 300 yards, no picks; carrying the team as defense falters. (41:47–43:00)
  • Hosts cite that Dak’s current performance is better than Joe Burrow’s during the Bengals’ 1-3 start last year, yet Dak isn’t getting national recognition. (53:03–53:52)
• George Pickens’ Coming Out Party:
  • 134 yards and 2 touchdowns in CD Lamb's absence—a true 1B receiver performance. (44:44)
  • “He made the play… in the highest moments of the game.” – Kyle Yeomans (45:38)
  • Trust between Dak and Pickens highlighted (throws into double coverage).
• Supporting Cast Emerges:
  • Praise for Jalen Tolbert (“What a game. … All the respect in the world.” – Patrick Walker, 46:33), Ryan Flournoy, and Kevontae Turpin for making key chain-moving plays.
  • “You scored 40 points without CD Lamb.” – Patrick Walker (44:11)
• Special Teams Shine:
  • Blocked PAT by Juanyeh Thomas and Marquise Bell helps swing momentum. (43:08)
  • Turpin’s 45-yard kickoff return “a major reason why the Cowboys were able to keep this a tie.” (48:26)
• Javonte Williams Earning His Role:
  • Turns in a physical, angry running style in the second half: 11 carries, 56 yards, 1 touchdown post-halftime (5.1 ypc). (48:23–48:29)
  • Compared to Marshawn Lynch (by Nate Newton), perhaps most physical since DeMarco Murray.
• James Houston’s Defensive Impact:
  • Continues to make splash plays: strip-sack fumble was essential in ending the half with a Cowboys TD. (45:38, 52:19)
  • Clowney and Houston praised as top pass-rushing duo now. (52:19–52:40)
• Coaching Credit:
  • Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer called a strong game, with constant adaptability and chain-moving plays even in pressure moments. (47:53)
  • Dallas ranks #1 in yards and passing yards per game after four games. (46:53)

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Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Overtime Rules & Ties:
  • “No one’s going to sell me on a tie being okay because the league might view it as a player safety issue when they have so many other instances… less concerned about player safety.” – Josh Rodriguez (09:37)
  • “A tie is tailor-made for this game… for all the good, there’s the bad. For all the bad, there’s the good. Where do you land? Right in the middle.” – Josh Rodriguez (32:02)
• On Dak’s Heroics:
  • “Dak Prescott is playing lights out. He’s exactly what you would pay $60 million for a quarterback to do.” – Patrick Walker (42:09)
  • "If it’s not for Dak Prescott, this team is 0-4." – Chris Beam (46:53)
• On Defensive Failures:
  • “This defense… needed one stop. … It’s very concerning.” – Chris Beam (24:22)
  • “Asking your offense to score 40 points and maybe you’ll win the game? … That’s ungood.” – Patrick Walker (36:05)
• On Pickens:
  • “That’s what a 1B does.” – Patrick No See Walker (44:25)
• Stat-Oddities:
  • “Teams with 40 points and no turnovers at home were 300-0 in the Super Bowl era. Now they’re 300-0-1.” – Kyle Yeomans (32:06)
• Fan Gallows Humor:
  • “Breaking news: The Packers just converted on another third down.” – Comment read by Kyle Yeomans (40:54)

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Important Segments and Timestamps

• [02:50] – Episode Theme Set: "Stalemate Monday," first Cowboys tie in memory, scoring stats
• [04:30] – Overtime/Ties debate begins; player and fan reaction
• [11:16] – Trade ambiguity, “cinematic” ending, NFL scripting
• [23:23] – The Bad: Defensive collapse, penalties, missed tackles
• [28:55] – Penalties and communication lapses discussed in depth
• [32:06] – Stat-oddity: 300-0-1, Cowboys make NFL history
• [41:32] – The Good: Dak’s MVP play, Pickens breakout, unsung heroes
• [47:53] – Schottenheimer, offensive stats, Turpin return, Houston/Clowney
• [53:03] – Dak vs. Joe Burrow stat comparison
• [53:56] – National perspective on Dak, closing thoughts

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Takeaways for Cowboys Fans (Who Missed the Episode)

• The 40-40 tie wasn’t just weird, it was historic, emotionally confusing, and exposed both acute strengths and lingering flaws in the Cowboys' makeup.
• Dak Prescott and the offense, even without top target CeeDee Lamb, are hitting elite levels, propping up the team while the defense falters.
• Defensive issues—communication, tackling, lack of pass rush outside James Houston, and discipline—are glaring.
• Special teams and emerging weapons like George Pickens, Jalen Tolbert, and Turpin are real positives.
• The team’s inability to finish—both offensively (inside the 5 in OT) and defensively (no stops when needed)—left the game deadlocked and everyone unsatisfied.
• The hosts (and players) call for the NFL to revisit outdated overtime policies to avoid these anticlimactic stalemates.
• Despite the frustration, there is still belief: this offense is potent, and if the defense can get it together, the Cowboys still have plenty of season left.

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Transcript

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

CD Lamb Touchdown.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's on Jake Ferguson.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Prescott keeps it and he bangs it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

In for the touchdown.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And now hosts Isaiah Stanback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Go, go Dallas Cowboy. It's the go team of the senior pose. Let the whole world hear our viewers flow. Stand up.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Stamp.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's more like it. Not a victory Monday, it's more like a stalemate Monday. I'm a little confused as to what to call today on Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle Coffee company. Live from the Star in Frisco, Texas in the SWBC Mortgage studios. We've got Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy Yarish, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. 40 to 40.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I monotone Monday, if you will.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, a monotone Monday. That's a good one. The I've slept just a tiny bit, not a lot since it happened and I still don't think I feel any better about what happened on the field at AT&T Stadium.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, I don't think you can feel better, right? There's no feeling good, there's no feeling bad. You're feeling mid. It's a mid Monday.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Mid Monday.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Mid Monday. Absolutely. Guys. First tie that I've experienced since a preseason game. Forever ago when I was just a little kid basically watching the Cowboys. It's a young lad. What a weird.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was a weird.

[Patrick No See Walker]

What a weird night.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

What a weird night.

[Chris Beam]

Got a fun stat for you here from our news and nodes. Statistician Chris Beam in the back. Oh, 40 to 40, huh, Scoragami?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I did see that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Nice.

[Chris Beam]

Not terribly shocking because you usually don't see 80 point games that end in a tie, but nonetheless.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It'S also the highest scoring or the second highest scoring game that ended in a tie in NFL history since 1964.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What was the.

[Chris Beam]

That's hard to believe. There's one that's higher scoring.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Boston Patriots and Oakland raiders combined for 43 to 43 tie.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, interesting.

[Chris Beam]

Not by much.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I would have thought that the Jeffersons.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Would have at least the Rochester Jefferson.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Back in at had at least one time.

[Patrick No See Walker]

They won all of their games.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know what? That makes sense.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's true.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That makes sense. Yeah, it was. It was. It was quite a. Quite a ride. I was sitting here before the the show looking at the. The win loss line graph on next gen stats and it. That thing reads like cardiac arrhythmic. And for there to be no payoff after all of that is like. How are you supposed to feel? Like the reason I have the tie on today with the casual. Because I want the NFL to understand. You see how stupid this looks?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's how you look right now. NFL, you are a professional league. And this is not soccer we're talking about. This is a professional American.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, brother. I'm all for the soccer.

[Josh Rodriguez]

This is a professional. And that's not even the shade of soccer. That's just.

[Chris Beam]

What an insane stray for soccer.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's not. It's not. Not a shame because I love soccer. It's how. But soccer comes with an expectation that games can end in draws. But when it comes to football, American football, winner or loser, that's what we need, damn it. Make football great again.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's funny that you bring this up in, in my, in my. Yeah, in my notes here, I put a. A number of different bullet points. I said impressed with the offense, but they weren't perfect. Unimpressed with the defense, but it wasn't. You played well enough to win the game, but you didn't. You made enough mistakes to lose the game, but you didn't. I think the only thing I can say for certain after watching that roller coaster of a game tonight, and this was written last night and rewatching it tomorrow morning, is that the NFL should change its overtime rules and officially take ties out of football.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I do agree.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's the only thing I can come away from that game and be completely satisfied with.

[Patrick No See Walker]

If you ask Jerry Jones after the game, when they asked him, you know, what do you think ties a tie, right? And he goes, that's. That's the game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It is the game.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's the game that we have given.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He didn't have any problem with it. He didn't sway either way. He just said that the game is the game.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I tell you. Problem with it, the players. So we're, we're walking around the locker room, I asked George Pickens, I asked Jake Ferguson, we're asking these players. And you got a combination of two. Two answers. Number one, that a lot of these players, if not all of them, have never been a part of a. A tie in a football game. And the other is that they didn't even realize that you could tie in an NFL football game.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Picking said that. He was like, I didn't even know it. Jay Ferguson said, I didn't even know it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And it's kind of another problem.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, that's another problem is that the information is not being disseminated. Right. Jake said, and I quote, Jake said, I could have gone another. I could have gone another session, another quarter. Yeah. Because the guys thought that that's what's going to happen. After Green Bay kicked that field goal. They thought they were going to have another shot at it, but no, they didn't. It was just a crazy game all the way down to the very last second and that. And I mean that literally down to the very last second.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You gotta let that man, last second off the board, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They weren't gonna do that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

What are you doing?

[Kyle Yeomans]

What are you doing?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Home field advantage doesn't exist.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Run the. Run the second dude. Make the reps. Put the time back on sneeze.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's just. Yeah, he's accidentally during that. What I miss. Game over.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think NFL officials run the clock.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, I don't think that's it.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, that's a Cowboys. That's a home. That's a home thing. The. Maybe in college home stadium is running. You know, in that case, if there were more time, the referee don't leave it up.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They were paying attention.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I mean, leave it up to the refs.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Leave it up to the refs.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You don't leave a second off.

[Chris Beam]

I find it hard to believe that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It would have to go back party deep in. I think it'd be tough for that to happen. I would have to go deep in the bylaws of the NFL to try to figure that out. And I've never had to figure that out. So like you said, maybe we'll go search for that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Cook the books, guys.

[Chris Beam]

It's rule like 56, section A, part.

[Kyle Yeomans]

1 1, part B. Yeah, it's like down there somewhere.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Of course Sanborn would be involved in the 1 second, 1 second gate.

[Chris Beam]

Before you guys get too into that real quick, going back to the overtime thing. Yeah, I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here. I'm fine with ties. I'm fine with ties. I don't, I understand would be okay. Well, well, yeah, I understand the, the competitive nature of. Oh, we, we need to decide a victor in this game and I, I get it. I really do. Like last night, you look at it and you say, man, I really wish this one would have just been decided one way or the other. But at the same time, you know, the game's got to end eventually. And I think that if you're, if you're looking at, at that point of the game, they were 3 hours and 45 minutes into playing. So you're essentially asking these guys to play four plus hours of football and that's just really not good for you in a 17 week season where, you know, you're just continually going out there and getting beat up and getting beat up and getting beat up without phys of a league. This is so I think it's, it's better for the player's health and I understand that not everybody feels the same way and I think recency bias with how last night went, it will play into it too. But I'm totally fine with. No, no. What. What's that?

[Josh Rodriguez]

This is the Isaiah hand raise.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. So finish your thought and then it's over.

[Chris Beam]

No, I just, I just, I'm fine with ties and the regular season I.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Have a problem with ties because I don't like participation trophies and that's what that felt like. But also I see your point about player safety and I'll raise you Thursday Night football.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And I could sprinkle in a lot of other things like, hey, let's have them fly over to Germany and down to Brazil and to Spain and, and then come back and have a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They were in Dublin.

[Chris Beam]

Dublin looked fine.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right. So. And I'm not saying it's not fun. What I'm saying is you're. No one's going to sell me on a tie being okay. Because the league might view it as a player safety issue when they have so many other instances that I could point at and they're least. They're less concerned about player safety. So no, the tie is. I'm not even saying that I would rather lose. So that's the, that's the crux of the argument. Would you rather lose or would you rather tie? I'd rather have an outcome that's definitive. That's what I would rather.

[Chris Beam]

Okay, I understand the point and I.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Understand what you're saying too, but I think in terms of storyline in Terms of. Like that. No, seriously.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, I'm with you.

[Patrick No See Walker]

The cinematic view of the whole thing. A lot of people were coming in cinema. A lot of people were coming into the saying, like, okay, this is gonna be the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The.

[Patrick No See Walker]

This is gonna test exactly how the trade went down. Who's the real winner, who's the real loser. For it to end in a tie is probably the most cinematic, ambiguous, a 24 esque ending that you could have because it says, time will tell.

[Josh Rodriguez]

This is.

[Patrick No See Walker]

This is not the last time we're going to play Green Bay. This is not the last time we're going to play Green Bay in our stadium.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's a rivalry that will stand the test of time for years and years and years to come. There's no end in sight for football. This is just a chapter in the epic storybook that is the Dallas Cowboys and the Green Bay Packers. For me, it. It's unfulfilling. It is an unrequited, you know, destiny that you had right there in your hands. It didn't fall through. It slipped through your fingertips. But in the end, it's just like, it's more ammunition for the next time you go.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And even to that point, I mean, your point is made on so many levels throughout this game. But I'll point out one particular thing. Who won the trade? The packers or. Or the Cowboys? You don't know. Right. Because it's still completely ambiguous.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Exactly.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Down to the point of. Was that a sack by Michael? Was it not a sack by Mike?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Exactly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's how crazy I didn't think it was. I didn't think he was falling forward like two yards before the waves.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And I gotta say, the guys who script this season of the NFL are cooking.

[Josh Rodriguez]

All right, I'll make it one even better. NFL. Omg. Took the sack away from Micah, did they? But NFL Jesus has the sack.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. So again, the two different live stats updates, by the way, for those at home. So again, so, yeah, if they're both NFL officials.

[Patrick No See Walker]

So if that's Micah's sack against the cow, like, okay, like, he can have that one. It's very anticlimactic. Much like this game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It did save the game. Because if he doesn't make that play, I don't think Dax getting taken down, but I think he's running into the end.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think that. I mean, the defender had gotten off.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I don't think he gets.

[Chris Beam]

It was close.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It would have been close.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It would have been close. With a full head of steam trying to push, push Dak. Prescott backwards.

[Chris Beam]

He would have had a shot.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think he would have been close.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I agree, he would have.

[Chris Beam]

And if you, if you get to say the one yard line. Sure. That would have been what, third and goal from the one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, you could have snuck it in or.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, that's a lot easier than third and goal from the three.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So motion deck out of the backfield. Wide direct snap. Javante.

[Chris Beam]

At the end of the day, you know that, that Micah Parsons made a game changing play. Yeah, he did. And you know, I think at the same time though, you can give Dallas credit because for the most part he was a non factor all night. Yeah, I think they had a really good plan for him.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Nate Thomas in the fourth.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Nate Thomas, Tyler guy and the chips.

[Chris Beam]

From Jake Ferguson and yes, shouts out, yeah, Terrence Steele. Really the tackles I thought played much better than this game as a whole. Just went complete opposite of how I saw it. I didn't think Dallas had a chance in this game. I thought Green Bay was going to run him out of the building. Um, yeah, Brock and T. Brock Kaufman, T.J. bass played well. The tackles though, really was what stood out to me because Terrence Steele had a rough go of it last week in Chicago. So did Tyler Guyton at times. They handled Micah Parsons very well. Sure, they sent some help over that way, but even still, when they were one on one, I thought they did a good job against Micah. I'm surprised that Green Bay didn't work Parsons more on the interior. Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't attack Bass and Hoffman with him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I thought so too.

[Chris Beam]

I think they would have had a lot more success had they did that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Maybe his back was bothering him.

[Chris Beam]

And then he did go to the medical tent for a little bit, but he said after the game it was because I think they pulled him to check if he had a concussion, but he said he was holding his back. I have no idea anymore. And then, you know, not just Micah, but really that whole pass rush, that was the Micah sack was the only sack that they recorded all night.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

So Rashawn Gary was held in check. Edron Cooper, who I was super high on throughout the week, is, you know, one of the best linebackers in football, young linebackers in football held him in check and you know, really would have been just that one play at the goal line with when Dak took off. If he, if he's able to break through, you know, that, that's, that's a big what if, but at the same time, what can you do?

[Josh Rodriguez]

I got a bigger. What if for you? What if this defense stops letting teams.

[Chris Beam]

Put up 45 straight scoring drives?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, and that's really where I want to take this going into the next two segments. Because in a tie there are good things and there are bad things. That's just plain and simple. It's going to be that way whether you win or lose, too. But in this game, you've got kind of a split fan base. You've got a fan base that's excited that they didn't lose, but there's a fan base that said you've got a chance like that to win the game and you can put it on both the offense and on the defensive side. The defense gives up 40 points and could not stop a nosebleed late in that football game with those five straight scoring drives where but on the offensive side, even though they put up 40 points, they were put on the doorstep by one of the most incredible plays you've ever seen by Jalen Tolbert. Toe drag catch inbounds down to the five yard line, first and goal. You've got all the momentum and based off of what we just talked about, the Micah Parsons quote unquote sack or whatever it ends up being, and then you don't get in. You have to kick a field goal and that opens the door for Green Bay to drive the length of the field. There are a lot of moments in this game and we're going to relive a lot of them. Usually we split this up. Offense in the second segment, defense in the third segment. When we review a game. This is just the good, the bad and the ugly. So when we come back, we're going to talk a little bit about the bad. What happened that did not allow Dallas to win this football game? It could be on the defensive side, 40 points or it could be on the offensive side. We'll talk about it when we come back with more talking Cowboys right after this. Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Spooky season is quickly approaching, so time to stock up on all your favorite treats now through October 7th. You can get early savings on your Halloween candy favorites when you shop in store and online. Save on items like Hershey's, Reese's Pumpkins, Snickers Miniatures, Tootsie Rolls, Raw Sugar, milk Chocolate, Caramel, Jack O' Lanterns, Brock's Candy Corn Charms, Mini Pops and more. Offer ends October 7th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

[Patrick No See Walker]

If you're waiting for your AI to.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Turn into ROI.

[Chris Beam]

And wondering how long.

[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

How's it going? You see that Cowboys game? Oh, I watched.

[Chris Beam]

Been seeing some good things.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Totally. They have some talent.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yup. Some great talents.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And they got some fights.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hoping this is the year.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Me too. Oh, I'm Cody, by the way. I'm Travis. Nice to meet you, Travis. Go Cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Chris Beam]

I'm home.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hey, Mom.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Before you ask, I've done my homework.

[Chris Beam]

And the dishwasher's unloading.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Nice. Hey, can you. Hey, hon.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, I've got the finale ready to play.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Here's your wine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Isn't it nice not having to ask?

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Back to Talking Cowboys. Back here on Talking Cowboys. This segment is brought to you by Invisalign. The official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. Back alongside Patrick, Josh, Tommy, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. You know, it's funny, I'm looking at some of these comments, Tommy, about the ties And I wanted to bring up a point, kind of back you up on one half of your point. I still don't like ties, plain and simple. I don't like them in any sport. I don't like them in any capacity. I would rather just have a winner or a loser. However, you did bring up a point of recency bias after a game like that where it's back and it's fourth and it's crazy and it's unbelievable and it's an emotionally charged atmosphere with a great crowd, by the way, on both ends. It was an awesome crowd last night. It was loud. It was gross. It was. It was intense. It was pretty fun. However, there have been some stinkers of games that have ended up in ties. I'm talking like 7, 7, 10, 10. Just gross football games where couldn't wait to get out of there. So I get why there's a rule in the regular season for it. You can't tie in the postseason because you've got playoffs. You got to have a winner and a loser.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And you also can't make the rule. There's like, well, if they score more than 20, then let's keep it going.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know, like, come on, you can't do that. So I get it. I understand it. And when it comes to player safety, they. They've already shown in other aspects, they don't. They don't care. They don't care about player safety.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No. Especially when Dallas plays a Sunday night game and plays a Thursday night game. Like he turns right around. Come on, dude.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What are we doing? So I just wanted to back up half of your point there.

[Chris Beam]

No, and I get it. And like I said, like a tie as a. Thank you. As a. As a competitor. Yes. And I mean, in a game like that, who doesn't want to see that game finish?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Everyone wanted, Everybody wants upset.

[Chris Beam]

Literally everybody on the field, everybody in the press box, everybody in the owner suite. Like, of course you want to see that game end. But you know, at the end of the day, there was. There's not been a 30 plus point tie where both teams have scored 30 or more points since 2014.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

[Chris Beam]

So you've got 6 to 6, 27, 27, 21, 21, 29, 29, 27, 27, 23, 23, 16, 16, 20, 20, 20, 20. So I mean, you just. It just kind of is what it is. You would really just be, you know, dragging it out. And as the game runs longer, the guys get more tired and the quality of play starts to go down. Although last night the quality of play was great. All night, fun.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't care.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Depending on what side of the board.

[Chris Beam]

That'S a good rebuttal.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You are paid a, a lot of money to do what you're. What you're being asked to do. And we hear this all the time from, from more of the, the humble NFL players where they'll say, you know what? Yes, this is, this is a hard gig. But at the same time, when you compare it to blue collar workers, those who are running 12 hour shifts, construction jobs and graveyard shifts and things like that. So to that point, this is a game. And yes, it is brutal on the body, but it is a game. And this is what you get to do and this is what you sacrifice to be able to do. So go do it. Go do it. Until the victor is declared. I am too much of a competitor to, to accept a tie. Like, I just, I. I can't compute it. I'm not saying I would rather lose because I would rather win in a loss. At least I can sit back and say, okay, where do we go? Right. I can use that fuel as motivation to go and get the win the next time, as opposed to saying, because what did I just walk away with after that three and a half or four hours of work? I walked away with essentially nothing but the bruises, right? That's all. I walked away with the bruises and the paycheck. I want, I want my win.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So based on that, we're going to split up these next two segments. This segment is going to be like, we lost the game, plain and simple. We're going to act like, like Dallas lost the game. This didn't go our way. This team has a lot to fix, which is exactly what's the case anyways. And then in the next segment, we're going to look at the good side of it and say, oh, wow, this was all very positive, as in, we won the game. But that's not the case. It was 40. 40 cowboys and packers. Let's start with the bad. Where do you guys want to go with it? Because, I mean, I'm looking at tackling that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Missed tackles was absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Tommy's got the Isaiah hand raise.

[Chris Beam]

Oh, sorry, I didn't do one finger.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's okay.

[Chris Beam]

Hey, Beamer, do we have, like, sad music or something that can play? As I read this, I know a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sounder that could be used here. Oh, brother, this guy stinks.

[Chris Beam]

So just cue the somber music in your mind as I read you these. Green Bay, world's smallest violin. Yeah. Second half off first of the third quarter, nine plays, 76 yards touchdown into the fourth quarter, eight plays, 70 yards touchdown, 10 plays, 80 yards touchdown, seven plays, 39 yards field goal close. And then in overtime, 13 plays, 64 yards field goal. So the last five drives of the game, Green Bay scores three touchdowns, two field goals and Dallas is just essentially begging their offense to come and save the day.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And they did bail them out at.

[Chris Beam]

Every Cowboys scored on all but one of their second half possessions except for the first one was the only one that they didn't score on. I mean possession. That was a great. Yeah, it was a big possession and you know they had a 12 play drive, a 14 play drive, the four play drive on the touchdown to Pickens in the fourth quarter and then a 10 play drive in overtime. You know it, this, this defense. Yeah, this defense is, it needed one stop. It's very concerning I think. You know I don't think these linebackers have played very well. You know Leah Fowler had a costly penalty last night. Kenneth Murray getting banged up. Jack Sanborn just seemed to be a step too late on a lot of things. And then just you know, the unfortunate bounce off of his back. The ball catapulted downward instead of going up for the half a second. It needed to. That was wild. You know I thought the. For as difficult as it, as it seems to fathom after Jordan Love throws for 337 yards and three touchdowns. I thought the corners played better.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Than they did. I would argue in the Giants maybe somewhat.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They didn't give up. They didn't give up. Big play other than the big completion to Matthew golden early in the game. Yep. And then Romeo Dobbs just went ham in the red zone and that was really about it.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, Dobbs had himself a day and.

[Josh Rodriguez]

People were just scared of the helmet.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. That's a guardian cap.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Get out of this guy's way.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It looks like Toad I hate.

[Josh Rodriguez]

There was, there was out there dropping banana.

[Chris Beam]

There was none more obscene than Savion Williams helmet. I mean he looked like Aaron Rodgers souped up with that. Like Aaron Rodgers has a cranium of a helmet. But man, Savion Williams was massive.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The, the, the big thing too about third downs, glaring third down problem. That's glaring. 10 for 14 was Green Bay on.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Third and even in the Cowboys are.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Full for 11 in overtime. When it's fourth and six there's no vote of confidence on my end saying that we're going to stop that. Absolutely not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I would. I was shocked they got to fourth and six to be completely honest, because of how good Green Bay had been in the money downs, frankly.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And I wanted to tweet at one point, it's like, why can't we just play overtime defense all time? Because I thought we were gonna get. Maybe get a stop, but when it was fourth and sixth, I was like, there's no way we're stopping this. And they just kept rolling. And one thing you saw early in the. In the first half, the run defense was great. They were able to stop the run. They were able to stop it up. Josh Jacobs did not kill you in the first half. But then the more and more and more they wore, you started to wear down. Josh Jacobs was tearing off 8 yards, 10 yards, 12 yards. And you're looking at it like, God, like, just get off the field, please, for the love of God, for. For yourselves at this point. Give yourselves a breather. Give Dax some time to go out there. But at least for me, the missed tackles is just the. The worst culprit of them all. Marist, as much as we've been championing him and I think he made a few excellent plays, that it was bad. I think he had three missed tackles on the day.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can I bring up another name in the same category? Same thing. I thought Donovan as Roccu played his best game last night.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely, I said that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But he made a stupid mistake and gave a free first down to Green Bay. He just forearmed to the face mask while the guy was on the ground. Yeah, that's a dumb mistake.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And he played his tail off. I even had a conversation up in the press box, and somebody from the football ops side of things was saying, man, Donovan's playing his. His tail off. Playing really well, different wordage, but playing his butt off.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It seemed like he started to figure something out, and he looked like he.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Was finding what we need him to be on that defensive front. But to make a mistake like that. And then the same thing with Marisley foul overrunning an angle. Then he makes a great play on the special team side of things and flattens.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, that was his own setup with Tommy Golden Head. Like the cartoon birds.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

After that hit, like he absolutely laid wood.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But then he has the late, where it was pretty obvious two or three steps had gone by, unnecessary ball down on the ground, and I would love to hear his actual reenactment of that. Did he think the ball was caught? Did he not see it the right way? Either way, it was not a good foul.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Interesting for me, though, it's. It's everything you guys are saying but. And stop me if you've heard this before self inflicted wounds. You. You're basically detailing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Especially in the first half too.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right. Some of the worst ones Cowboys were see accepted penalties. 11 Accepted and accepted is the key word. They were for 95 yards. There were more flags obviously than the penalties that were accepted. Okay. Because they had some double penalties going on there like the unsportsmanlike conduct which also happened at the. With the. The defensive holding. Holdings negated the defensive holding.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So 12 men on the field that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

12 minutes away at Trayvon I didn't have a chance to check. I believe that's the second time this season through the first four games that the Cowboys have been flagged for 12 men on the field in one capacity or another.

[Chris Beam]

It was a foul. Couldn't get off in time.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Was it that.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That. That's a coaching thing. 12 men on the field is a coaching thing for me.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. So whether it be that's communication yet again.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Communication. Whether it be the. Don't. Don't even start on that because that touchdown with Elam as the target, how he's looking around like what's going. Was that a miscommunication?

[Patrick No See Walker]

I don't love that. I don't love the. The sort of blame being passed around when it's again.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But you're talking about in real time.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You're seeing in real time and you're seeing communication errors still in week four and we've been having this conversation for three weeks now about their communication. It just feels more and more like the defense can't get right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I tell you what football gods owe me because this weekend with these boneheaded penalties from players that I hold in high regards whether it be Georgia, it's Bama. Why would you dive on top of the pile when it's already over? And then Maris Leopold. We know what Leopard was capable of. We saw it last year as a rookie. Basically flew out of the gate. We've been begging for Maris to be unleashed. They. They start him this game, he's making plays on special teams and then he makes a critical error at that juncture in the game to extend that drive which helped impact the team, impact the game negatively for the Cowboys ultimately. But while we're circling that and we're circling the touchdown against Elam and we're circling as Raku who had a fantastic game, his best game as a rookie through his first four games and then he has the black eye because of that particular penalty. It just felt like there was always something so it that same logic extends to the offense as well because offensively they dropped 40 again at home. They're cooking George Pickins without CD Lamb. He gives you 130 plus with two touchdowns.

[Patrick No See Walker]

D Presco Dogs, you can't say it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You said it so I don't have to. Four total total touchdowns for Dak Prescott. No interceptions. Three of those are passing touchdowns over 300 yards. They're cooking. Turpin is, is getting involved in shoddy pulling out the the just going deep in the bag. Ryan Floy, he's making plays as well. Jalen Tolbert for his maligned as he is in this fan base. Again that play phenomenal. However, we're sitting here and we're giving all of this rightful praise to the offense and they still converted only four of their 11 third down attempts and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They didn't punch it in from five yards out.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Correct. Football game. So again it's one of those games. It this game was tailor made for a tie. No pun intended. It was tailor made for a tie because for all the good there's the bad.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And for all the bad there's the good. And then where do you land? Right smack in the middle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This is an interesting stat and I'm going to give credit to Dante Kaplowitz Fleming on on x teams with 40 points or more and no turnovers were 300 oh at home in the Super bowl era. 300 and oh.

[Chris Beam]

They're still undefeated.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They are still undefeated. It's 300 oh and one.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So are the packers at AT&T Stadium.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, that's true.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They are six.

[Chris Beam]

300 and I'll, I'll say this feels like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

See this is what I hate about ties is now I have to say 300 oh and 1 and 6. Oh and 1. The next time the packers come to town say yeah, they're undefeated but hey, that tie happened that one time. Who cares? Give us a winner.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's what I'm saying. And also shouts out Ferguson getting that monkey off his back getting into the end zone. That was his first time getting the touchdown since previous to last season. And guess who it was against. Green Bay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Green Bay. Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Three times.

[Patrick No See Walker]

We're talking about the bad, Patrick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're talking about the bad.

[Chris Beam]

To round out.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We lost this game segment and won.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It really quickly though if we're, if we're continuing on the bad really quickly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Maris, that wasn't great. He didn't give you just the boneheaded mistake, obviously. Unacceptable. Right? Another thing that was. That has been unacceptable. Now for three weeks is the play of Jack Sanborn.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Thank you.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I think at this point because Maris hasn't had as many snaps as a Jack Sanborn, you're going to get those mistakes. You're going to see that overzealous. He's overzealous. He's happy to be in there. He's, he's, he's just trying to overplay. But when you're looking at Jack Sanborn play, man, he is, for lack of a better term, he's just really slow. I mean, the athletic ability of, of Sanborn at this point is not helping you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I agree.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's, it's rough and I want to be as respectful as possible. But what are we doing?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Well, you had Shamar James actor for the first time, so.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And I did.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Let's use Shamar James more and again. And I know a lot of people in the, in the moment after that, that penalty by Marist, I get it. There's no excuse in that. That was just horrendous. Horrendous. But I still want him to see more playing time because you're never going to see that mistake again from Marisley. If I never.

[Chris Beam]

Just two quick, quick ones to wrap up our, our Bad Talk segment. Tyler Smith really had a struggle today. Like yesterday. A couple penalties that were eyeing him hard.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

A couple of penalties that, that ended up getting negated or declined or whatever. But it was, it was not a great game for Tyler Smith, which, I mean, a bad game from Tyler Smith is a usually pretty good game for the average offensive lineman in the NFL.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

But nonetheless, that was still a rough, still rough game. And the penalties are certainly something that's kind of been uncharacteristic of him, at least from my perspective before, before I started covering.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He struggled with a little bit in college coming out of Tulsa, but it wasn't like a glaring thing like it was with Guyton.

[Chris Beam]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because Guyton, you kind of knew what you were getting when you drafted him. You were going to get some holds.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And Tyler Smith never really had. There was a couple in his rookie season, if I remember correctly, where he was held or he was holding multiple times, but he's kind of gotten away from that.

[Chris Beam]

And then the last thing, I think. What do you say? Was 4 of 11 on third down. 4 of 11. I don't think. I mean, yes, the offense needs to convert on some of those, but your defense isn't doing you any favors with some of this field position. Sure.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So I agree. And that that's what Makes it. And you made the point earlier that the offense is being asked rather fairly or unfairly, they're being asked to put their capes on and save the day every single time. And I personally, I think that's unfair. I think that they should be allowed to not be perfect and simply be elite. Because you can be elite and not perfect. Like, that's what we saw last night from this off offense. Elite, but not perfect. If you're asking your offense to be perfect every single game to win, you're not going to the playoffs.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You're asking your offense to score 40 points and maybe you'll win the game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And make that so what? So they have to score. So they have to score 50 to help guarantee that you win the game.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Apparently, that's ungood.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Dak Prescott is playing some of.

[Patrick No See Walker]

If he's segment three, that's all segment.

[Chris Beam]

The best football of his entire career. And he's, he's, he's kind of being held up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Before we move on, I'm seeing a lot of comments in the. It may just be from the same person. I'm not entirely sure. They were talking about the Marisley Afoul foul call on the, the late hit. They said it wasn't as egregious. I. In the building.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It was pretty egregious in real time. It was bad.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was like, like give him like two steps.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But he took seven steps.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. On tv I can see because you're like, oh, they're playing it in slow mo. Even in the building, in the press box with everybody there. It was pretty. It was pretty.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You heard the collective gasp when he, when he hit him before the, before the flag. He hit him and everybody was like, oh, come.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And then the flag.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Feel free to disagree. I know there's probably going to be differing opinions on that, but as a fan base, I think you can look at it and say, yeah, it was. It was pretty egregious. And all right.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Still want them to play more.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So now the bat is out of the way. This was a tie. You did not lose. So we're going to talk about what was positive. And I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of Dak Prescott, George Pickens talk in this upcoming segment when we come back with more talking Cowboys after this. Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway Cough. And cold season is coming, so make sure you're prepared and stock up on your family's favorite personal wellness products. Now through October 7th, shop in store and online for savings on products like Mucinex Kickstart Combo, Zyrtec Allergy Relief Tablets or Liquid Gels, Halls, Cough Drops and Mucinex Fast day and night so you and your family are armed and ready for the season ahead. Offerings October 7th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Chris Beam]

I'm home.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Hey mom, before you ask, I've done my homework and the dishwasher's unloading. Nice. Hey, can you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hey hon, yes, I've got the finale ready to play.

[Chris Beam]

Here's your wine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Isn't it nice not having to ask?

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Welcome back into Dear Doctor the show.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Where I answer life's questions with an.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Ice cold can of Dr. Pepper.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Sheila let's hear from a nice dear doctor.

[Kyle Yeomans]

My friend supported me during a tough.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Time, but what's the right gift that.

[Chris Beam]

Says thanks for being a shoulder to cry on?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay, this one's easy. I say give her a delicious Dr. Pepper. Nothing says thanks girl better than a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

One of a kind soda.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes, any Dr. Pepper flavor will do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now, just a reminder that I don't.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Need to be a real doctor to know that Dr. Pepper is the one you deserve.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Hit it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, Paul or. No, Phil.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Excuse me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Phil said. Breaking news. The packers just converted on another third down.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Ouch.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just now. So now they're 11 for 15.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Twist the knife.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I just thought it was funny.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That makes sense.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

And they scored another touchdown in the second half in overtime.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hey, chill out.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It hurts. Kyle and I don't like it. We didn't lose that game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We did.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Prove me wrong. We didn't lose.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We did not lose.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Did not lose.

[Josh Rodriguez]

To quote the great Rosie Perez, sometimes when you win, you also lose. Yeah. Sometimes when you lose, you actually win. Yeah. And sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. If you know the quote, you know the quote.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's talk about the winning side. I guess you got to start with four, right?

[Josh Rodriguez]

You gotta start with four.

[Chris Beam]

He's playing his best football of his career, I think.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is anybody in the NFL playing a higher brand of quarterback right this second.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Than perhaps Josh Allen?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Perhaps Josh. But that's the only one I'm willing to.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Because you're not seeing it from Lamar.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Absolutely.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You're not seeing it from Patrick Mahomes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

C.J. stroud right now, guys. Jared Goff.

[Josh Rodriguez]

No, it did kind of get going yesterday, but. But as far as over four games. As far as four games, no.

[Chris Beam]

Maybe just Herbert. But it was a bad day for them. Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

See, he played poorly yesterday.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And we're not saying necessarily that he is better than those quarterbacks. I'm not saying that either. But right now as we sit here, he is your MVP of the team. There's no doubt about it. Oh, just far and beyond keeping you in the game right now, granted, you don't have a winning record and I think that is in a large part due to the defense. But Dak Prescott is playing lights out. He's exactly what you would pay $60 million for a quarterback to do. And Jerry was talking about it yesterday. He's in indispensable and Micah wasn't. That to me is just clear. Just looking at what Micah or sorry, what Dak did yesterday and what Micah said about Dak, he's like he was on his. If he wasn't on his P's and Q's, this would have been a long day. And Dak was.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And that was making all the throws. He was making them.

[Patrick No See Walker]

First quarter was a little rocky.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It was. But they picked up also. Also shouts out to one. Yay. Thomas and Marquis Bell. Yeah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We talking about the got you back in the game. We're talking about the good you need. This isn't even a high without those points. Okay. The Cowboys could not get on the board. They could not break out, break through that goose egg and what happens, you get a block on a point after attempt by one year Thomas and Marquis Bell, the. The undrafted step brothers from 2022 who both have clawed and scratched to try to get playing time basically on the same arc. Those two combo pack pulled up two points.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was cool.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It was. It was one of the best things that you see. Just fun. And it, like you said, it was a joke. But then. And that joke translated to Dak Prescott and the offense getting the ball rolling. Questions about could George pick and step up and consistently be that guy in that target? Could he. Could you target him 14, 15 times?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hell yeah, you can.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes, you can. And he's going to deliver. And those targets don't have to be one on one coverage either. The trust required for Deck Prescott to throw the ball, he threw deep left side into double coverage knowing that George Pickens was probably going to come up with it and rewarded with that trust.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Guys, you scored 40 points without CD Lamb. That's why you did let that sink in a little bit. Like I know we were having the conversation is George Pickett, can he possibly fill. That's 1B. That's what. That's what a 1B does.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Is that good?

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's pretty darn good.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's pretty darn good.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's great, Bob.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's great, Bob.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Remember when. When we were talking about wide receivers in the draft and we were talking about free agent options this summer and then they made the trade for George Pickens. One of the comments that this front office made and a member of this front office made to one of us here in the studio was we needed to find a guy that if CD Lamb is either unavailable or not playing a high brand of football that can go for 130 or more.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Or I think it was 145. Either one. He showed he can do that. 134 and two tutties. Unbelievable performance. And he did so in the. In the highest moments of the game. Yes, the catch coverage. The catch and double coverage was phenomenal. Then he catches the touchdown pass going into the halftime break to put you up by three. He makes the play. Exactly. He made the play to avoid the tackle and get back inside and then barrel his way past the pylon on the left sideline to get in to put you up by three again in the waning moments of over or of regulation. George Pickens did everything and more for this football team yesterday. And it was Dak Prescott throwing him.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The rock and really quickly. And then we'll hop back this. The defense. We. We kept it to the defense, as far as the bad segment is concerned. Shouts out to James Houston because that George Pickens touchdown going into halftime doesn't happen. There's no shot for the Cowboys to have a chance to try to make that touchdown if James Houston doesn't get the strip sack fumble against Jordan Love. So. Shouts out to James Houston. He did a thing again for another consecutive week, but again now Dak Prescott, George Pickens. But it's also the fact that the other guys got involved. We saw more of Kevonte Turpin. You love that. But. And Tommy was sitting next to me. I could barely contain myself when they started getting Ryan Flournoy involved in the game. Yeah, you start getting Floy involved. Now we're cooking with some fish grease.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Well, okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Okay.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Bring up Ryan Floy. He had a great game, but there's one player in particular that I really need to apologize to because I've been very critical of him so far this year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You have the floor.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Jalen Tolbert. What a game. What a game. Like, just absolutely there when you need him. And he was clutch in every pass that he had. Thrown to him. All the respect in the world to Jalen Tolbert. He really, really showed out yesterday. And I will crow for me today because he played great.

[Chris Beam]

A couple things. I really think that this team is.04 if it's not for Dak Prescott. Like I said, Dak Prescott's playing the best football of his career, and he's not getting any help from his defense. That's the only reason why The Cowboys are one, two and one is because of number four. And they're number one in yards a game for offense, 404 yards a game. Number one in passing offense, 281 yards a game. He's leading the league in passing. He has played his best ball and I think you tip your cap to him. And really, I think one thing we haven't really talked about a lot is Brian Schottheimer called a great game yesterday. I thought, give credit. I thought he called a good game. But really what kept standing out to me was it seemed like every time there was a third down play or a longer second down play that Dak Prescott was finding a way to move the chains late in the game. You think about the crosser over the middle to Flournoy. There was a Tolbert over the middle. There was a Turpin, I think for a first down too. So really when they needed to hit the big plays the most, I know we talked about 4 of 11 on third down, when they needed to move the chains, when they needed to push downfield. I think they did last night. And so you tip your cap to Brian Schottheimer in the offense for coming through there. Javante Williams, I think we talked about Josh. You talked about Josh Jacobs kind of wearing on the Cowboys defense in the second half. Javante Williams, 11 carries, 56 yards and a touchdown in the second half, 5.1 yards of carry.

[Patrick No See Walker]

What was his total carry?

[Josh Rodriguez]

4.3.

[Chris Beam]

I think he averaged 4.3 yards of carry. He finished with 20 carries for 85 yards. So really, most of that production, most of that production came in the second half. And you know, I'll admit I was a guy that in the off season, I was like, man, I don't know if this team moving on from Rico Dowdle is the right move. Javante Williams has proven me wrong. I'm sharing some of that crow with you, Josh, because he has played very well to start the season and he.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Has been the most physical running back that you've had since DeMarco Murray.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Like he, he flows like that and he hits with that same level of physicality, in my opinion. You disagree?

[Josh Rodriguez]

I think Zeke was pretty nasty. Peak Zeke was pretty freaking nasty. He was both athletic, fast and he wanted to run.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I think it was more finesse and run through you. I think it was more finesse for Zeke. This guy's straight power. I, I did not expect that out of his stature. And he's pro. He's proven me wrong. Like, like I said, he's running with the same physicality that you saw.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I mean, I like, I don't want to take that away from the. I just, it just. I'm channeling Zeke and that was nasty.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Peak Zeke was nuts. The conversation that I had with Nate Newton last night, he compared him to Marshawn Lynch. He compared him to beast mode in terms of physicality. He said they're not the same back, they're different sizes, they're different body types. But he was like the way that he runs the football. Angry.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is something that you. Yeah. Is something that you haven't had on this team.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And I think just to argue the Zeke point really quick, I feel like more of Zeke's highlights were sort of like finesse, like hurtling.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And that was only because those were the, the more fun highlights when he's jumping over guys.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But he bowled over some people, no doubt.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, absolutely.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Freaking absolutely. But I'm saying, like since demarco Murray, I've not seen an aggressive running back, running attack like this.

[Chris Beam]

He's playing like he played his rookie year in Denver.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And it's almost like he's healthy or something.

[Chris Beam]

Well, yeah, granted he came back from, you know, he came back from, you know, a devastating knee injury. So it's certainly a lot easier to, to play that way. But you know, special teams is something that I think when John Fossil was here, just because he was so creative and things like that, we really paid more attention to the third phase of the game. Third phase of the game was a major reason why the Cowboys were able to keep this a tie last night. I think back to that 45 yard kickoff return from Kevonte Turpin before that final drive in the fourth quarter. Yep. What happens if he doesn't get that? You know, so, you know, that's, that's why you have a guy like that back there. And I think they made the right move. And you guys, correct me if I'm wrong, if I, if I miss this. I think this was the first game this season where it was Turpin by himself. Back there they had had two returners. It was usually Turpin and Tolbert that were back there and teams would kick it to one side and they would obviously kick it away from Turpin because you don't want that guy to touch the ball. So they put 10 up and had Turpin back there, which I think they should have done from the start. I don't think you, you, you want to give any other team another option. But Kevonte Turpin came through for them when they needed him to late in that game. And then of course the, the block, the block. Extra point changed the game too and completely shifted momentum going forward. But, but yeah, then Defensively, just to harp more on James Houston. He's your best pass rusher. He is the best pass rusher on this roster, and they picked him up on the first day of practice at training camp. That is both a great thing for the Cowboys, evaluating the talent that they see that's available, and also a very poor thing considering how much they thought of the defensive end depth that they've got. You know, it's. If that's the case, then you've got some tough questions to ask yourself.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. And remember, it was James Houston and Jadavian Clowney, the two new additions as edge rushers, that helped combine on that strips act that helped you at the end of the second.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Correct me if I'm wrong, Kyle. There was a podcast that films in this very studio that just last week said they wanted to see Jadevion and Shane.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, you did say that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Was it talking?

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was talking.

[Josh Rodriguez]

All righty.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We've got to get out of here before I want to give one more quick note. One more quick note, because I want to see if you guys agree here. The way that Dak Prescott is playing reminds me of the situation Joe Burrow had last year, and he's not getting the same amount of love Joe Burrow did.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Because it's Dak Prescott.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because it's Dak. Joe Burrow and the Bengals were one in three to start the year. In that time period, Joe Burrow was completing 71% of his passes. He had come. He had had 978 yards, throwing seven touchdowns and three turnovers. Dak Prescott, right now at 1, 2 and 1, has completed 73% of his passes, has thrown for over 1100 yards, has thrown for six touchdowns, rushed for another, so seven total touchdowns. He's thrown three interceptions. So three turnovers. He hasn't lost the fumble. Burrow had one interception. He had two fumbles.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So you're saying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So I'm saying Dak is playing better right now than Joe Burrow did there in that start that the Cincinnati Bengals had last year, and he's not getting the credit for it from a national standpoint.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know why?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I just want to give it. Give the facts there.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know why?

[Kyle Yeomans]

First four games, straight comparison between the two. And I would argue Dak had a tougher schedule, too, to go up against. All right, we've got to get out of here. When we come back tomorrow, you're giving us the calls. 888-855-2297. It is a talking Tuesday. I'm sure you'll have plenty to talk about tomorrow morning. For Patrick no See Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy Irish, Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeomans saying so long from Talking Cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Josh Rodriguez]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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