Talkin’ Cowboys: The Herbert Report

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: The Herbert Report (December 18, 2025)

Episode Overview

On this episode of “Talkin’ Cowboys,” Kyle Yeomans and the full crew gather at The Star in Frisco to break down the upcoming matchup between the Dallas Cowboys defense and Justin Herbert’s Los Angeles Chargers offense. The panel delivers news and injury updates, highlights key talking points about the state of the Cowboys, and examines where both teams are struggling — especially in the trenches. Expect a lively, insightful discussion about pass rush woes, offensive and defensive line play, and how physicality and scheme might decide this pivotal late-season NFL clash.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Injury Updates & Roster News

[05:27-07:55]

• Three Cowboys return to practice: Peyton Turner, Phil Mafa, and Josh Butler (returning from a knee injury that kept him out since last November).
• Kyle Yeomans raises the question: Are these late-season returns just about testing depth, or do coaches still want to win?
• Isaiah Stanback: Cites Brian Schottenheimer’s stance that “he wants to win,” saying Dak Prescott will keep starting even if the Cowboys are mathematically eliminated.
• On Josh Butler: “It’s massive for him to be able to get back on the field.” – Isaiah Stanback [07:34]

Trayvon Diggs Situation
[08:56-12:55]

• Trayvon Diggs remains on IR due to a complicated relationship with Defensive Coordinator Matt Eberflus — not just injury recovery.
• Jane Slater's report: Rumors about the nature of Diggs' injury are exaggerated, and coaches have been pushing him to play within the scheme instead of freelancing.
• Kyle Yeomans: “When you don’t make a play and you leave yourself vulnerable, that’s when the big plays happen and your teammates are out of position.” [10:44]
• Isaiah Stanback: “Trayvon Diggs’s biggest issue in getting on the field is the relationship with Matt Eberfluss, period.” [11:33]

Current Injury Concerns
[12:53-14:37]

• CD Lamb missed practice (illness).
• Hunter Luepke & Williams remain in concussion protocol.
• Daron Bland is back on injury report with a foot issue (“Your heart drops.” – Isaiah Stanback [13:47]).

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Cowboys Defense vs. Chargers Offense: Who’s Really Got the Edge?

[20:12-30:57]

• Kyle Yeomans: Both teams have struggled to protect their franchise quarterbacks. The Chargers have allowed more pressure, hits, and sacks on Herbert than any other NFL team.
• Patrick “No C” Walker: Cowboys are only 20th in sacks. “You want to see the pressure, but they aren’t finishing plays.” [21:08]
• On the Chargers Offense:
  • Physical runners: Kamani Vidal (4.2 ypc), Omariyon Hampton (4.6 ypc).
  • WR threats: Keenan Allen (best between 10–19 yards), Quinton Johnston (prototype, “does everything for them”), Lad McConkey (best route runner, “explosive”).
• Potential issue: If Daron Bland misses the game, the Cowboys could struggle against Allen in the slot.
• Isaiah Stanback & Chris Beam agree: Chargers’ pass protection is bad, but Dallas’ pass rush may not be good enough to take advantage.
• Chris Beam: “This is the largest offense the Dallas Cowboys are going to face and have faced all year long. This is Space Jam Monstars getting off the bus.” [25:35]
  • Notes fullback and extra lineman Trevor Penning (6’7, 325 lbs) and the Chargers’ penchant for power football.
• Isaiah Stanback: “It doesn’t matter if the Chargers' O-line is poor in pass protection — this could be a get-right game for them because the Cowboys aren’t getting to the quarterback.” [24:07]
• Chris Beam questions Justin Herbert's pocket presence and blitz recognition: “He hasn’t had to be as accurate as other quarterbacks… His pocket presence is not great. His vision is not great. His ability to diagnose the blitz is not great.” [32:11]

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The Chargers’ Offensive Identity & What Dallas Must Watch For

[25:35-29:28]

• Harbaugh’s influence: Chargers offense is physically imposing with huge linemen, tight ends, and a “smashmouth” style.
• Trevor Penning often used as a motion man or extra blocker — “downhill, nasty work” (Chris Beam [27:37]).
• Chargers’ route concepts: Not sophisticated — “Everything is 15 yards plus, throwing jump balls to big receivers” (Chris Beam [28:46]).
• X-factor: Lad McConkey – “He’ll give you that work; their best route runner.” (Kyle Yeomans [29:08])

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Defensive Tactical Keys and X-factors

[40:21-46:26] (Lab Coat Segment)

• Patrick Walker’s Lab Coat Segment:
  Key Stat: “The Chargers have allowed pressure on Justin Herbert 44% of the time, the 2nd highest rate in the NFL. In the last 2 games, Herbert has been pressured on 57.3% of dropbacks, with only 10 completions on 24 attempts, 1 TD, and 2 INTs under pressure.” [41:47]
  • BUT: “The Cowboys have generated pressure at only 34% this season—just not enough.” [42:31]
• Debate: Can the Cowboys take advantage of the Chargers' weak pass pro, or will LA’s line mask its issues against Dallas’ underperforming front?
  • “One of those things is going to win out… Can the Cowboys flip the switch…?” (Isaiah Stanback [43:05])
• Cowboys Pass Rush: Panel discusses who needs to step up — Kenny Clark, Jadeveon Clowney, and Ezraku cited, but Ezraku is labeled as more of an edge-setter/run defender currently.
• Isaiah’s Theory: “Ezraku’s ceiling is higher as a pass rusher, not just setting an edge like DeMarcus Lawrence. He should be unleashed more.” [46:26]
• Kyle Yeomans: “He’s almost playing like a DeMarcus Lawrence role… for the most part, he’s setting the edge” [44:59]
• Panel agrees: The Cowboys need to get their pass rush going to avoid getting bulldozed or picked apart by Herbert’s arm and physical weapons.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “There are words and there are actions that are speaking louder than those words currently.” – Isaiah Stanback on Schottenheimer’s insistence on playing to win, even with the season on the line. [06:49]
• “Playing your franchise quarterback when you have nothing to gain… that’s a conversation we need to have.” – Kyle Yeomans on the risk of playing Dak if eliminated. [07:14]
• “Bread and butter.” – Patrick Walker on Trayvon Diggs’ playmaking gamble style. [10:43]
• “Trayvon Diggs’s biggest issue in getting on the field is the relationship with Matt Eberfluss, period.” – Isaiah Stanback [11:33]
• “When you see Daron Bland on an injury report and it’s related to his foot, your heart drops.” – Isaiah Stanback [13:47]
• “This is Space Jam Monstars getting off the bus.” – Chris Beam on the Chargers’ offensive size [25:42]
• “They have a 6’4, 300-lb fullback, and a 6’7, 325-lb lineman who motions… the smallest guy you’ll see returning in motion is 6’4, 300.” – Chris Beam [27:30]
• “It doesn’t matter that their line is trash at pass pro, because the Cowboys can’t get to the quarterback.” – Isaiah Stanback [24:07]
• “Justin Herbert’s pocket presence is not great. His vision is not great. His ability to diagnose the blitz is not great.” – Chris Beam [32:11]
• “The Cowboys’ pass rush is inviting you, traffic-coning, saying: ‘Hey, if you want to go chase the guy, go chase the guy.’ Problem is the Cowboys haven’t been able to chase anyone.” – Isaiah Stanback [42:41]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 05:27 – Roster injury updates & player returns
• 08:56 – Trayvon Diggs’ IR status & coach relationship
• 12:53 – Daron Bland, CD Lamb and new injury worries
• 20:12 – Previewing Cowboys Defense vs. Chargers Offense
• 21:08 – Chargers' O-line struggles, but is Dallas' pass rush a threat?
• 25:35 – Physical size of Chargers offense; "Monstars getting off the bus"
• 27:06 – Discussing Trevor Penning’s role and offensive line schemes
• 32:11 – Justin Herbert's strengths, weaknesses, and pressure problems
• 40:21 – “Lab Coat” segment: Pressure rates and pass rush analysis
• 44:19 – Who must step up for the Cowboys’ defense?
• 46:26 – Ezraku’s role and future potential as pass rusher

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Overall Tone and Style

• Friendly, bantering, and knowledgeable. The hosts are loose and humorous but dig deep on X’s and O’s.
• Candid on struggles: They openly discuss Dallas’ shortcomings and debate the real pulse of the team.
• Authentic: Quotable moments and off-topic asides (e.g., shoe stores, crayon envy) keep the episode fun and relatable.

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Summary For Non-Listeners

This episode of "Talkin' Cowboys" is a must-listen for anyone wanting an honest, inside-out preview of the Cowboys' matchup with the Chargers. The crew dives into roster and injury news (especially around Trayvon Diggs and the secondary), then gives a detailed scouting report of a Chargers’ offense that blends huge size, old-school physicality, and a struggling-but-dangerous Justin Herbert. The big debate: Will the Cowboys' middling pass rush finally break through against the league’s worst pass-protecting line, or will Herbert and the Chargers’ bruisers flatten them? Expect lots of laughs, real talk, and some tough love for Dallas’ defensive shortcomings — plus a few classic memorable quotes that define the show’s style.

Transcript

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[Kyle Yeomans]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Chris Beam]

This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the Star in Frisco.

[Isaiah Stambach]

CD Lamb. It's on. Jake Ferguson.

[Chris Beam]

Prescott keeps it and he bangs it in for the touchdown.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And now your hosts, Isaiah Stanbach, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. It's a terrific Thursday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle Coffee company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas and the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody. We've got the whole cast and crew ready for you to rock today with Patrick Nosie Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stambach, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Glad you're with us. Today we preview the Cowboys defense versus Justin Herbert in the Chargers offense.

[Chris Beam]

You know what else we do today? What is that? It's a throw your leg up Thursday. Go ahead and throw it up there. Let's go. No, see, I'm not doing y'.

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All.

[Chris Beam]

You're throwing it up there, sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's a lap.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

You gotta see him throw it.

[Chris Beam]

Throw, throw it. Look how high he got his leg up there.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

He's got the gammas on some light.

[Chris Beam]

Did it come in a little briefcase thing?

[Isaiah Stambach]

No, mine didn't because I. Wow. I'm not the plug. Dakota.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Dakota. Dakota Rain Prescott.

[Chris Beam]

Those are icy, though.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Those are sweet. Those are pretty cool. They were a gift. Probably right?

[Isaiah Stambach]

Gift. They actually were. Oh, from the wife.

[Chris Beam]

Did I tell you guys my shoes at back?

[Isaiah Stambach]

Shouts out to marriage.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, shout out to the wife.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Funny. Funny, though is we both woke up a little bit early, so. I like those words. So on drop day update, we were both. We both had our laptops and our phones. We got in line on four, two or four device.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Teamwork, right?

[Isaiah Stambach]

And it made us wait in line for like 30 minutes before we could see if either of us won. And I lost. And she won. Wow.

[Chris Beam]

And she gave her marriage ticket up to you?

[Isaiah Stambach]

No, she got. She got in line for my side.

[Chris Beam]

For you. Oh, wow.

[Isaiah Stambach]

They were all we were.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Self sacrifice. That's real love, right?

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah, that is.

[Chris Beam]

It's a self sacrifice.

[Isaiah Stambach]

That is so Merry Christmas to me. And shouts out to the wife.

[Chris Beam]

Back in the day, we used to have this spot called Chubby and Tubby. Don't worry, Kyle. They're not a business anymore.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Okay.

[Chris Beam]

All right. Chubby and Tubbies. It was a little hardware.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Kyle's very disappointed.

[Chris Beam]

It was a hub. I know he was going to say it was a hood. A hood hardware store. Okay. Right on the line.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Chubby in the hood.

[Chris Beam]

Chubby and Tubbies, bro. It was right on the edge. But the transition between the central district in the south end and then, you just didn't cross over unless you knew people. Right. You had to watch your back. So Chubby and Tubbies live right on that line. So you would go into Chubby's and Tubbies. Okay. Chubby and Tubbies. And in the back of the store, they had a shelf, right? And they had all these boxes, and on the shelf they would have all the new shoes wrapped in Glad Wrap.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

All the new shoes wrapped in Glad Wrap.

[Chris Beam]

I would go shoe shopping at Chubby and Tubby's, bro. Funny enough, that was Glad Wrap shoes.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

That was my nickname in high school.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Which one?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Both.

[Isaiah Stambach]

B.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What would it take for. For you to make the title of this episode Chubby into. And how quickly would there be a phone call?

[Chris Beam]

Not.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Not very much.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You don't think it'd be a phone call?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Nah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You think you'd be like.

[Chris Beam]

No, no, I.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Like, we're talking about the offensive and defensive.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, we're just talking about the big guys up front.

[Chris Beam]

We're trying to.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Somebody's upstairs who's going to win the line of scrimmage. Know what a Chubby is?

[Chris Beam]

Oh, wow.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Wow.

[Chris Beam]

Hey, no. Have you ever bought shoes in Glad Wrap?

[Isaiah Stambach]

In Glad Rap? No, can't say that. I.

[Chris Beam]

Is that just a. Is that a hood thing?

[Isaiah Stambach]

No, I don't think it is. Because even grew up in Seattle. I was going to say that.

[Chris Beam]

Mean.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, there's some, like, really nice parts of Seattle.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

You had blue people hair every day.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's nice. I've been to your place. It's nice now.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

It's nice.

[Chris Beam]

It's called Gent.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Well, no, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're not that old.

[Isaiah Stambach]

No. Rather been back in Savannah or downtown Atlanta. Walter, shout out to Walters. Downtown Atlanta? No, I mean, no matter what shoe store we went to in the hood, that's not a thing.

[Chris Beam]

Wow.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Not in the Glad.

[Chris Beam]

Right? I need people in the chat to respond, man. I need to know, am I the only one that was shopping shoes and they were Glad wrapped.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Maybe that's why they ran out of business.

[Chris Beam]

No, bro, they was. They didn't sell enough tools.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was a tool store.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Tool store.

[Chris Beam]

And they had to miss that part.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I missed that part.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah, I need to. I need to put be put up game, though. Oh, Glad Rap.

[Chris Beam]

Glad Rap.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Bro, I love a hardware store that becomes a sneaker store.

[Chris Beam]

Everybody understands the Glad Wrap concept, right, you guys?

[Lowe's Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Grandma's house and the couch.

[Isaiah Stambach]

We had plastic on it and you move and it. It sounds off every time it sticks to you.

[Chris Beam]

Right?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

All that stuff on a hot day.

[Chris Beam]

Hot day. Oh, don't take a nap.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

You have to peel off.

[Isaiah Stambach]

You're peeling every day in this over. So I get it.

[Chris Beam]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

News and notes, Pat.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yes, sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Updates yesterday.

[Isaiah Stambach]

We do. So first and foremost, let's talk about the guys who returned to practice. Three players returned to practice on yesterday. That would be one. Pa. Peyton Turner, Phil Mafa. Who did I say I wanted to see?

[Kyle Yeomans]

You wanted to see Phil.

[Isaiah Stambach]

So. Yes.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stambach]

So Phil Mafa returned to the practice.

[Chris Beam]

Field yesterday.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Alongside Peyton Turner as well as Josh Butler. And four, none of those guys have taken the practice field since the. Since the regular season began. Obviously, Josh Butler has been recovering from his devastating knee injury suffered last November. So this. And he started this training camp on pup. Started the season on pup. So this is huge for him to try to get his way back to the field before the regular season concludes. Kyle has a question. I have a question.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All these guys who haven't played all season long and were kind of stashed for a better term on IR coming back at the end of the year, is this just like preparation for the final two games of to say let's see some other guys. Let's just play some new talent and then see what we have going into the offseason.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

They want to win.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Kyle, what do you mean per Brian Schottenheimer's kind of Brian Schottenheimer actions.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And there are words and there are actions that are speaking louder than those.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Words currently, Brian Schottenheimer says he wants to win. So that's why you will not see Joe Milton out there on the field. He says even when if are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, you're still going to see Dak Prescott out there starting. That's a conversation that we need to have.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But which could happen prior to Sunday.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If the Eagles win on Saturday, which they play Saturday against the Commanders.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Then you are mathematically.

[Isaiah Stambach]

And if that were to happen, please put that topic in the rundown Because I would love to weigh in on that. Yeah. The decision to continue playing your franchise quarterback back when you have nothing to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Gain, we will put in there.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah. So Josh Butler. But shouts out, shouts out to these, to these guys, especially Josh Butler. He's coming back from just an arduous road to get back from that, that knee surgery. So whether the Cowboys are eliminated or not eliminated from a Josh Butler purview, it's massive for him to be able to get back on the field. So shouts out to him, let's get that man.

[Chris Beam]

Stranger.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah, Absolutely. Phil Mafa. Phil Mafa suffered a shoulder injury ahead of the regular season. He had a very good training camp. He had a very good preseason showing. But between the shoulder injury and the numbers being the numbers, the game they wanted to play with the 53 man roster, he has been relegated to IR to this point. So he has a chance of getting on the field. I would love to see that young man get some burn in the regular season, see what that kind of sets up for as far as how the running backs room needs to look in 2026. And then Peyton Turner. A lot of people forgot Peyton Turner was on the rost. I can understand why it's been radio silence on his front ever since he suffered the rib injury in the preseason. And he's not played. So he'll get out there in practice. 21 day clock has begun. Cowboys technically don't have 21 days to, to let this flesh out. So we'll see which of those three, if any of those three, can get on the field. Maybe as early as the Chargers, but maybe against the Giants and, and the Commanders. We'll see how that goes. Okay, flipping over to the injury report, Josh Butler gives me the segue to Trayvon Diggs, who remains on IR as we have this conversation. Unlike Josh Butler, Trayvon Diggs, that decision has to be made by Saturday for all intents and purposes, or he will not see the field again in 2025. And then the question becomes if he sees the field again for the Dallas Cowboys going forward. If that were to occur, you shake your head.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Me?

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah. No glitch. He shook it. He shook it. We had several players that did not participate yesterday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can I ask about diggings real quick? There was a report yesterday, Jane Slater of the NFL Network.

[Chris Beam]

Hi, Jane.

[Kyle Yeomans]

She does a great job, but she had a conversation, a lengthy conversation in the locker room. I sinked it in the middle of the locker room. So I trust what she says in this regard. She said a lot of the And I'm paraphrasing here, of course, but a lot of the rumors as to how Trayvon Diggs was injured, a lot of the rumors that have been circling through the Internet and circling through social media.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

You're talking about the head injury, that thing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that. That was not as egregious as what it sounds like is ultimately what she was saying. And she said it's getting back to Trayvon and that it isn't necessarily the truth. And so, I mean, put whatever stock into it you want, but the report is now out there that that is a rumor as opposed to fact. And so I think there's that to play a factor. She also went in to talk about the conversations that have been happening between Trayvon and Matt Eberfluss and Brian Schottenheimer. And they've made it very clear they want him to play better scheme football in cover team. They don't want him freelancing to make a play, which, as we all know, he did very much in the early parts of his career.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Bread and butter.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Part of his 11 interception season in 2021 was freelancing to go make a play. But when you don't make a play and you leave yourself vulnerable, that's when the big plays happen and that's when your teammates are out of position and then it doesn't work out in your favor.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Favor.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This coaching staff specifically, who of course was not here when he had the 11 interception season, wants to see him play within the scheme. And that's the conversations that they've been having. All of this courtesy of Jane Slater, who had the conversation with Trayvon, shouts.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Out to Jane, like I said, I synced it, watched her have the. The one on one with him. So good stuff there.

[Chris Beam]

Good reporting.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Absolutely great reporting. I will kind of Patrick that talks to players.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I'm just saying.

[Isaiah Stambach]

All right. I mean, this is her talking to a player. Relax, cnt.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Take it easy.

[Isaiah Stambach]

So it's like I said, and I'll say it again, and I'll keep saying it until, you know, it doesn't need to be said anymore. Trayvon Diggs's biggest issue in getting on the field is the relationship with Matt Eberfluss, period. Now, you can color that however you choose to color it it. You could put it on a personal front, you could put it on a business front. Schematically, right? Whatever you want, however you want to color it, whatever crayon in that 64 pack of Crayola. You want to choose facts is 64. 64.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Bawling yeah, the nice crayons over here. Seriously.

[Kyle Yeomans]

According to Isaiah, they didn't have that in Seattle.

[Chris Beam]

We did not, bro. They colored. Look at the candle. Jealousy, bro.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Candleware as the sharpener inside the box. Inside the box.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's why all their sports teams are the same color.

[Chris Beam]

Lid goes back. What is this, bro? I had to pull the little thing out. It was flat. It was flush. In your backpack. Not the 64, bro.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I was like, in Seattle, we had to like, we had to crash rocks together, bro.

[Chris Beam]

You saw somebody with that 64, you felt some type of way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's why it's an art city. You had to make things to make your art.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Exactly.

[Chris Beam]

He started looking at his baller. Static.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Okay. What you doing with that?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

We had to burn packets of gushers in order to create the code.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I had to drink a lot of coffee because we had to have the energy to get it all together.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Doing that forest green, bro.

[Chris Beam]

Exactly.

[Isaiah Stambach]

I was color too, so I was.

[Chris Beam]

Just hating on everything.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Oh, man. Hater. So Trayvon Diggs Blues over there, bro. Trayvon Diggs. Matt Er. Fl. They're not on the same page until they get on the same page. Trayvon Diggs is not going to see the field for the Dallas Cowboys on the injury report. Some concern here. Not so much. CD Lamb. He missed practice with an illness, so hopefully he feels better and he. And he can, you know, make this game. But illnesses, I mean, if it's the bug that's kind of been going around, my goodness. Yeah, it's. It's been a little bit of a butt kicker, so we'll see how that goes. Hunter Lipken and Williams both still in concussion protocol as we mentioned yesterday. Biggest standout here is Daron Bland is back on the injury report. And it's not just that he's back on the injury report. It's the foot.

[Chris Beam]

The foot, the foot. Not a foot. The foot.

[Isaiah Stambach]

The foot. Is it the. Or the. Well, at this point is the son. Bland is having an issue with the foot. I need to get more information on this. I don't know if this is soreness or whatever that might be, but whenever. Nowadays, whenever you see Duron Bland on an injury report and it's related to his foot, your heart drops. Your heart drops. You have. There has to be concern until further information comes out. So we'll see. The coordinators will speak today. We'll ask the fan favorite coordinator, Matt Eber Fluss about Duron Bland's foot and see if we can get some more information on that outside of that. Like I said, you had the three guys return to practice with their 21 day practice windows up. Good to see Jake Ferguson as a full participant in practice and nothing else really to report on the Cowboys injury front there. Love it. Keep an eye on the Ron Bland.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And keep an eye on those names that start popping up now.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

On the list because as they start to pop up now.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's when as the final two games so play out.

[Isaiah Stambach]

So Josh Butler's window gets activated and then Daron Bland appears on the Avenger report. Draw your own conclusions.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just saying.

[Isaiah Stambach]

With whatever.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I blame Isaiah for the Duron Bland news.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why is that?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

He was bringing up Rex Ryan the other day and all of a sudden everyone's foots are going missing. I'm. I'm just saying we're doing that.

[Chris Beam]

Huh?

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was off the air.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Oh.

[Isaiah Stambach]

You just brought it on the air.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thanks, Josh.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Damn Josh. Appreciate you learn how to totem.

[Chris Beam]

It's not a safe place.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We won't say anything at home. You won't say anything at home.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Chill out.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Toe the line.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

He just brought his name.

[Chris Beam]

To be fair, only toes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm putting my foot down.

[Isaiah Stambach]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

When we come back here on Talking Cowboys, we're going to preview the Chargers offense versus the Cowboys defense. Chargers offense has had some of the same struggles Dallas has had as of late protecting their franchise quarterback. We'll talk about it when we come back right after this.

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[Isaiah Stambach]

How's it going? You see that Cowboys game?

[Chris Beam]

Oh, I watched. Been seeing some good things.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Totally. They have some talent.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Some great talent.

[Isaiah Stambach]

And they got some fight. Hoping this is the year. Me too. Oh, I'm Cody, by the way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Isaiah Stambach]

Nice to meet you, Travis. Go Cowboys.

[Chris Beam]

Go Cowboys.

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[Isaiah Stambach]

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[Isaiah Stambach]

Hey, yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I can't believe he ate the whole.

[Chris Beam]

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[Patrick Nosie Walker]

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[Isaiah Stambach]

That counts. That counts. Yes. Oh, sorry.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Chris Beam]

Relax.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Guys, there used to be a sponsor like that. I don't know if they're there anymore. I don't know if they're still a sponsor, but there was an official underwear.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

All right. The.

[Isaiah Stambach]

No streaking over here, bud.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, not today. And this may shock you.

[Chris Beam]

What is that, Kyle?

[Kyle Yeomans]

But there's a team that is also struggling to protect their quarterback.

[Chris Beam]

Really?

[Isaiah Stambach]

Say word.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Their name are the. Their name. The name. The name is the Los Angeles Chargers. Throughout the season, no quarterback has been pressured, has been hit, and has been sacked more than Justin Herbert. So as I open the floor to you guys to talk about this Cowboys defense against the Chargers offense, does that give you any hope or is that another opportunity, as we've seen throughout the year, for a get right game, for a bad offensive front?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I'm going with the latter.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Kyle Yeomans, don't tell me that this.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Is a team that's ranked 20th in sacks, which is. Guys, not very good.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Oh, it is not NGB.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's not about the Cowboys.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

The Dallas Cowboys ranked 20th in sex. It's not very good. You want to see the pressure, of course, but one thing that you know about the Dallas Cowboys defense is that they're not necessarily finishing these plays. I think Justin Herbert's going to have a lot of time and on top of that, he already has 400 yards on the ground, a six yard average. And you know, looking at the running backs that they have, they have very physical guys. If you look at Kamani Vidal, who has 4.2 yards per average per carry average. But I'm also looking at Amarian Hampton, who I was really interested in in the last draft. Yeah, buddy, he's a monster. And he missed a early part of the season due to injury, but he's back and he's at a 4.6 yards per carry average at the moment.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Which guys.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I believe that's pretty good for a guy that spells in, but maybe that's just me. And then, not to mention, you also have a receiving core that is able to hurt you in a big way. Keenan Allen, of course, you guys know he's a savvy vet, but I wouldn't sleep on any route that they give him. And he's not ne an explosive receiver. He's not an explosive downfield. He's not known for his yakability, but he will absolutely feast on you between 10 and 19 yards. That's where he lives. He loves it there, man. And if you don't have Duron Bland, possibly. I mean, yeah, that, that's who I would want on Keen Allen all game and you might not get that. But also you have Quinton Johnson, who is. If he is catching the ball.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yep.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

He's a prototype. He does everything for them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's been better at that this year.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah, absolutely. Which is what he's doing right now. Lad McConkey, who was, I'd argue, serviceable this year. He's explosive, but he's certainly not like the focal point of their offense right now. But it's a really solid three wide receiver team that they have currently. Yeah, I think this is a get right game for them on all accounts.

[Isaiah Stambach]

I don't think. I don't think it's.

[Chris Beam]

I just.

[Isaiah Stambach]

I don't know, man. On one front, you want to look at the numbers in that direction and you say, oh, well, their offensive line is trash. Which is true.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, they don't have Rashawn Slater. They've got a couple guys.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So as it stands, it's been a revolving.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And the current offensive line has not been.

[Chris Beam]

You would consider them trash at the moment in all regards to just.

[Isaiah Stambach]

No. Okay.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Just that as is right now.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Just checking the offensive line.

[Chris Beam]

No, no, I'm saying you're just double passing and running.

[Isaiah Stambach]

No, no, not in both.

[Chris Beam]

Okay. That's.

[Isaiah Stambach]

In pass pro.

[Chris Beam]

You can't really apply the term trash.

[Isaiah Stambach]

I can. In that. That one lane.

[Chris Beam]

That one category.

[Isaiah Stambach]

In that one lane. When they change lanes.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Then they get better. They get better. They're not trash in there. Like he pointed out. They're not trash when it comes to the rushing attack. They are trash when it comes to pass pro. But to Josh's point, it doesn't matter to me. It doesn't matter that they're trash and pass pro because the Cowboys can't get to the quarterback. They can't get to the quarterback. They can't get to the quarterback, which means.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Wait, hey, can they get to the quarterback?

[Isaiah Stambach]

No. Which means that in all likelihood there. They might make this offensive line for the Chargers look serviceable in pass pro when it's really not serviceable in pass pro. So we'll see how that goes. Because who's. Who's going to jump out and be that guy that tries to get, you know, three sacks this game? Because they'll be there. The availability to sack Justin Herbert four times. I'll say four. Four times will be there. But can the Cowboys do it? The ability to pressure him 20 times on 40 drop backs. If they were to drop back 40 times will be there. But who will be able to do it? That's the question. I'm not worried about the interior. If Quinn and Williams plays, we don't know if he'll clear the protocol. But if Quinn and Williams doesn't play.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Then you're worried about it.

[Isaiah Stambach]

All right. Then you look at what they do in the Russian attack. Like we said, they are good in the rushing attack and Omarion Hampton is back and he's averaging almost five yards of carry. If Quinn Williams is not in the middle to help you out. So now we're having questions about can the pass rush beat their poor pass protection and can a Quinn and Williams less defensive interior stop a very good rushing attack? It doesn't. Yeah, that math's not math for the Cowboys.

[Chris Beam]

I believe. And actually I, I take this, I know that this is the largest offense that the Dallas Cowboys are going to face and have faced all year long.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're talking about physically imposing.

[Chris Beam]

Physically imposing. And that is the how Harbaugh builds his team.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The all get off the bus, bro.

[Chris Beam]

This is Space Jam Monstars getting off the bus. Like seriously, these guys ginormous across their front. Regardless of the fact that Slater's gone. Regardless of the fact that they're missing something.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Joe Al is the other.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, exactly. They're missing two of their, their, their main ingredients over there. They have guys that just come off the bus now. They're not as good, but they're just as big and that's how they facilitate their offense. They just literally are just. We're bigger than you. You got to either run through us or you got to run around us. That's how they operate and they rely on the run heavily. This is a 21 team. This is a 12 team, 22 team. These guys use. They have a six four, 300 pound fullback. In addition to that six four, 300 pound fullback, they also like to bring in an additional offensive lineman. This offensive lineman's name is Trevor Penning. He is their motion man. By the way, let me look at the size of this gentleman. Six seven, 325 pounds. This is the man who does their.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

How tall was he?

[Chris Beam]

6, 7, £325. This is the man who does majority of their motions can't work in their, in their, in their formations.

[Kyle Yeomans]

One of the things out of the draft that he was great at at Northern Iowa was just finishing blocks and when he got ahead of steam and he was rolling.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, good luck.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was Burtons for whoever was in front of him. And that was why he was a high prospect even out of a school like Northern Iowa that wasn't a major college football program.

[Chris Beam]

So you're either going to see Trevor pinning the six, seven, what I just say his weight was whatever. And then you go. Or you're going to see Scott Matlock. And that's the fullback I was talking about, the 6 4, 300 pound. So the smallest person that you're going to see in a return motion is 6:4, 300 pounds.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Man.

[Chris Beam]

And it's downhill.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Nasty work.

[Chris Beam]

It's downhill. And they're pulling these guys, they're wham. Blocking for those that don't know what a wham block that's leaving somebod. And then One of these 300 or 340 pounders is going to come and try to ear hole your defender.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

That's what it sounds like.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, it's Wham. Just like when the dog on cartoons.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Wham, bam song. Exactly.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Or comic books looks like a Batman TV show.

[Chris Beam]

Exactly. These guys just want to out physical you then. And they are perfectly fine running 10, 12, 14 plays, just marching down the field. Every so often they'll sprinkle in a little 11 personnel just to get their guys out there. They have big receivers. Right. If the receivers are 62 plus across the formation except for Lab McCocky and he'll freaking destroy you in route running abilities. The only thing that I dislike about this offense is that their route concepts are pretty bad. Like their route concepts are not great. Everything is like 15 yards plus. So we're talking about protecting their QB. The QB is being forced to hold the ball. Right. So when they're not running the ball all the routes are way down the field.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

And then he's just throwing jump balls.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

It is not even that these guys aren't routing you up. They're not, they're not amazing in and out of their brakes. These guys are just like running a nice little over route or nice little deep end route. And these guys are just like yeah, the ball's in my area. I'm bigger than you.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

That's just how they play. Except for lad. Except for lad. LAD will give you that work at the off the line of script. Yeah, he'll give you that work.

[Isaiah Stambach]

He's.

[Chris Beam]

He is the X factor for me if I'm playing against the Dallas.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's their best route runner right now. And Keenan Allen used to be that guy.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's just not. He doesn't have the same.

[Isaiah Stambach]

He doesn't have that Keenan Allen is just. He's still defeating father.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think he's still a dude, but he's not the same like technician of a route runner where he was at one point arguably the best route runner in football alongside Amari Cooper.

[Chris Beam]

And they list him at six two.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Screw that.

[Chris Beam]

He's not six two, bro.

[Isaiah Stambach]

No, but it's I think and I'll reiterate this because I know that me saying the Cowboys are in trouble against this charter's front came off as me being a Cowboys fanboy. What do you want? Crack. Wow. Listen, so fact is, I'll reiterate that chat. Oh yeah, it's somebody that chimes in the hate. They hate me so much, this particular person. But you're watching me. So the Cowboys are in trouble because again, to reiterate everything we're saying, Cowboys do not do well at getting home on the quarterback. So that being said, it doesn't matter if the Chargers offensive line is poor in pass protection because this could in fact be a get right game and for run for the rushing attack. If Quinn and Williams can't play, you're in more trouble as far as Mario Hampton and those guys being able to do that. If that happens, then the play action comes into play for Justin Herbert. And we all know Justin Herbert can also make some plays with his legs. So even if you get pressure, you still have to get home on him because if he escapes the pocket and you can't keep the pocket contained, then he's going to rattle off 10, 15 yards. He's going to move the chains himself. But you also have to consider that he keeps his eyes downfield. So if he breaks pocket, he breaks contained, then you as a, as a defensive back, as a linebacker, you have to consider crashing down. But then if you crash down, Isaiah just told you what he's going to do. He's going to throw the ball up there outside of McConkey. They're not routing you up. He's going to throw the ball and their guys are going to be tasked without athleticizing your guys. New word just created that. Go with it. I like that.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stambach]

So there we go. Cowboys are going to have to figure some things out and Bland's injury is afoot. If you had tuned in earlier. Yes.

[Chris Beam]

That's not good. My friend Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert, statistically has done an amazing job his first, what, five years in the league. I think he has the most passing yards out of any quarterback in the history.

[Isaiah Stambach]

I like Herbert.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I've always been a fan.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah. I like her.

[Chris Beam]

I'm not a huge fan. I'm not a huge fan. Well, I respect him. I respect this game.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Why not? I'm always curious.

[Chris Beam]

No, no, no, no. Regardless of it, I'm not that.

[Isaiah Stambach]

I'm always. I'm always curious. For those that have. I've always gripe with Justin.

[Chris Beam]

I don't have a gripe with him. I'm just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sounds like you have a gripe.

[Chris Beam]

No, not at all. It just, it just his game, his game just pressed me. His game just doesn't impress me now. I think mainly because of. Maybe it's because of the style of the receivers. I'm not holding this against him. I'm just saying he hasn't had to be as accurate as other quarterbacks, I'll.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Put it that way.

[Chris Beam]

And that's not fair to hold against him. But I think because, because of the bigger receivers that he has, a lot of times it's kind of just like put it up there and let me come down with it. That's again, that's not taking anything away. I just am not highly impressed. His stats say otherwise. His stats say he's the best in the first five years ever. So I have to give that respect. I'm just talking about just the eye test. Right.

[Isaiah Stambach]

I.

[Chris Beam]

When I turn on film and I am not greatly impressed by it. But he doesn't right now what he's struggling with. And you guys are talking about being able to get pressure on him and how this offensive line is not doing great. Half of that is his responsibility.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Pocket presence, like his pocket presence is not great. His, his.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

You saw it against the Eagles.

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[Chris Beam]

His vision. His vision is not great. His ability to diagnose the blitz is not great. When you cut on the KC film and the Eagles film, these guys are bringing outside the box pressures and he's for whatever reason is delayed at identifying it.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

And so I don't put all the responsibility on his office line. I don't think this old line is as bad as you guys are making it sound. Even though they're missing a couple of their, their starters, their big time investments, they're not as good as they were. Obviously. They got two first rounders that are out. However, this pressure is coming off the edge. These are guys that are unidentified unblocked gentlemen coming off the edge that the quarterback is responsible for.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Right.

[Chris Beam]

And sometimes you can't block everybody. Sometimes it's a quarterback's job to say, hey, that man right there is coming. We're running a hot route or I gotta get the ball out of my hands or I have to move myself in the pocket in a way that I would give me just a half space second time that I need to get the ball off so that I don't get hit and take a sack. So, yes, this offensive line is not as good as they were, but no, they're not as bad as you think they are. They're just bringing pressure off the edge that he is responsible for. And teams keep doing it because they're saying for whatever reason he's not identifying it and he continues to have problems with it. So I'm hoping that Dallas is able to acknowledge that as well when they turn the film on and say, hey, whenever we bring fire zone blitzes, he's struggling with that. How about we continue doing that?

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think you've got it pegged all the way down to the fact that his pocket presence, it's interesting because I think as a passer he's got it all figured out. And like you said, he's pretty cannon. Yeah, he's got an incredible arm. He can read a route and read a defense. But when it comes to the pocket presence and maneuvering little nuances that a defense is going to throw you, it's the opposite of what we've seen from Dak. It's completely different because Dak has been very good at reading a blitz and at deciphering the pressure and maneuvering through Dax pocket presence is one of the best in the NFL. Justin Herbert's is not, but Justin Herbert doesn't. Or he has the arm talent that Dak Prescott doesn't have and the athleticism.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

To get out of situations where he can gain six yards on a play that is broken, basically. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think if he were to get the right offensive coordinator and we saw when Moore was there for a little bit, if he gets the right offensive coordinator that schemes the system to what his strengths are, I think then all of a sudden those quick passes, those slants underneath right now, like you said, it's almost like backyard football. It's like, run, run around. I'll find you down the field somewhere. Give him a little bit of scheme, give him a little bit of comfort, something up front just to allow him to throw the football quicker and not be pressured the same way.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

And all that being said, if you don't have Quinn and Williams, like you alluded to earlier, I mean, he's going to have trouble. He's going to have and those deep crossers that aren't necessarily working out for Them so far this season are going to be.

[Chris Beam]

I mean, you still had Kenny Clark. Like, I understand, like Gwyneth Williams being in there is huge. But Kenny Clark last game, man, he had.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

He had a better game than Quinn. And are you.

[Isaiah Stambach]

He was stacking.

[Chris Beam]

Listen, bro, he was putting people 10 yards deep into their freaking. It was disgusting. And it wasn't. Just once.

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It wasn't.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

But now they can double team him.

[Chris Beam]

Facts. And agree.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There was also a year or two. There's a reason. Yeah, hopefully there's a reason that OMarion Hampton is 20 since returning. Like they've won both games since he came back because he brings an element, physicality, elements of balance to that offense that they don't have.

[Chris Beam]

That's what they want. They want to beat you up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Chris Beam]

Like, they want to. It's old school. Like Harbaugh in his offense is literally. He came in as soon as he came into the charge, he's like, give me the biggest offensive lineman you can find.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yep.

[Chris Beam]

After that he was like, give me the biggest fullback. Give me the biggest freaking running backs that we can find. Right. That's what he want. Give me the biggest quarterback. Huh? How about that guy? How about it? Six? Six, huh? He wants. He literally just wants to line up and say, we're going that way. You can't stop us.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yep. See what happens. All right. When we come back, we've got some lab coat featuring.

[Isaiah Stambach]

We do Patrick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No see Walker. What are we talking about today?

[Isaiah Stambach]

You know, since we're talking about the Chargers offensive line, let's just keep talking about it. Got a little stat here that's kind of that you would love the Cowboys to take advantage of. But we'll see.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We will see right after this on talking Cowboys.

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[Chris Beam]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Isaiah Stambach]

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[Patrick Nosie Walker]

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[Isaiah Stambach]

There it is. All right, so we're talking about the Chargers offensive line. They have two sides of their tail, as we've discussed. When it comes to the rushing attack, pretty damn good. Okay. When it comes to pass pro for a lot of reasons, including what Isaiah was speaking to as far as they task Justin Herbert with avoiding some of those edge pressures. But he's not. So the bottom line is the bottom.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Line very nicely there early. Earlier in the segment, you were saying they were.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Impasse protection. To my point. Here we are.

[Chris Beam]

Got the free range. Chickens, chicken.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Hustle, man. Tell me what you need, chief. Open up the trench. What you got? All right, so the jar. This is something the Cowboys have to take advantage of or they will lose this game. Game. In my opinion, this bottom line, if they don't take advantage of this glaring opportunity, it's an alpha. Chargers have allowed charges, have allowed pressure on Justin Herbert 44 of the time in his drop backs. That's the second highest rate in the NFL. Second highest rate 44 of the time in their last two games. Justin Herbert has been pressured 57.3% of the time on his drop backs. That is un real.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's a lot, dude.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

That is not very good.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Roughly 57 of his drop backs over the past two games have had pressure injected into them. And he's completed only 10 of 24 passes when under pressure for only one touchdown. He has two interceptions. This is the problem with that. So that's one side of the coin. The Chargers in pass protection are trash. And they will basically invite you to pressure Justin Herbert. They will invite it contrarily. Here are the Cowboys. Here's the Cowboys problem. Cowboys have generated pressure at a rate of only 34% this season. Only 34.

[Chris Beam]

NGB.

[Isaiah Stambach]

NGB. Not great, Bob.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So I said barely be a good batting average.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Get not even.340 would be pretty good.340 gets to the hall of Fame.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what I'm saying. But like, this isn't baseball.

[Isaiah Stambach]

No, this isn't baseball. You need to be successful more often than 34% of the time in the NFL. So on one hand you have the Chargers pass protection, their offensive line, they're inviting you, not even daring you. They're traffic coning back there. They're just like, hey, if you want to go chase the guy, go chase the guy. Problem is the Cowboys haven't been able to chase around.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Got the airline glow sticks.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah. So. So we'll, we'll see how those two things play because one of those things is going to win out over the other. Can the Cowboys flip the switch and suddenly get a high rate of pressure against an offensive line who's allowing an insane rate of pressure on the quarterback? Or is this a get right game for an offensive line that typically allows a lot of pressure and for some reason this Sunday becomes the great wall of Los Angeles.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

So more often than not, the Dallas Cowboys defense has said, you know what? They do really poorly. Let's help them out. Let's do them a solid.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's make sure that they feel better leaving this building.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

It's a get right game, fellas.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is that going to be a part of your get your popcorn ready segment tomorrow? Maybe, I don't know, maybe a little bit.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I already have two bad options, dude.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's not good.

[Chris Beam]

Maybe.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, maybe we need one more good one. But I, I think, think if you were to, to look at your front seven and you guys asked the question earlier in the show, who's going to step up? Who is going to be that guy? Who would you put your stock in to say they're going to be the ones that step up and provide pressure in this game?

[Chris Beam]

Kenny Clark.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stambach]

I'm going with kid. That's where you're going with.

[Chris Beam]

That's where I'm going with.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

And if choose to double him, then what?

[Chris Beam]

I gotta go with Clowny.

[Isaiah Stambach]

That's okay. That's where I was going.

[Chris Beam]

I gotta go. I, I like Ezraku. I really do like him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's been more of a run defender.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He has been a pass rusher, which is fine.

[Chris Beam]

I think he's going to be an exceptional player. Yeah. Beginning next year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I really hope so because I keep knowing, I keep hearing it, I keep hearing how sound he is and you.

[Chris Beam]

Know, he needs off season, put on some weight. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because.

[Chris Beam]

Because especially against this office line, the.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Results are not there for Me, he's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Almost playing like a. Like a Demarcus Lawrence role where like.

[Isaiah Stambach]

There'S like, say that there's like a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Little bit of a pass r once in a while, but for the most part, he's setting the edge and he is sticking.

[Isaiah Stambach]

You know what? I have a theory about that.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

You know what would be better to Marcus Lawrence.

[Isaiah Stambach]

I have a theory about that schematically. And rest well, Marshawn. You are a miss brother. But Marshawn was to be in the Demarcus Lawrence. Yes. And when we.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Bigger body.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah. And when we lost. When we lost Marshawn. God, that's still tough. I'm here. When we lost Marshawn, I think Eber Fluss looked for someone to fill the DeMarcus Lawrence role. And I think now, because if you look at it as raku, he was starting to come on as a pass rusher. And then we lose Marshawn, and now he's more of an edge setter.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So he's done a great job.

[Lowe's Commercial Announcer]

He has.

[Isaiah Stambach]

But in order to be that, he is going to need to eat some, you know, some government cheese this offseason and build up a little bit. But I honestly, I don't want. I don't want that. I want him to be. Be really good at setting the edge. I do. But I think that his ceiling is much higher as a pass rush, which is what should be facilitated for him. Put him in positions where he can pin his ears back and go get the passer. I think that would have potentially an exceptional NFL career for him versus saying, okay, well, we know you can rush the passer, but let's. Let's just keep that there and bring up the run defense. Like, we want you to be able to defend the run, but not at the expense of.

[Lowe's Commercial Announcer]

Of.

[Isaiah Stambach]

I mean, this. This guy is a collegiate record setter at, you know, taking down quarterbacks. So facilitated.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

I hope so. I hope that's the case. And at least for me, just outside looking in, it feels like the stats aren't there necessarily for. For him right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They're not. The film is there, though. Like, I think he looks good on film.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We'll see it.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Like, like translates to. To sacks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. I thought he would be closer. Closer to like a Demarcus Ware type. Not necessarily the player I think he will be.

[Isaiah Stambach]

I can be.

[Chris Beam]

I've actually reached out to Dub was like, hey, bro, like, come holla at this cat.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah, for real?

[Chris Beam]

For real. That'd be cool because they have the same body type. He hasn't feel.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Why didn't you get on him? He just said that he just reached out to DeMarcus. Where?

[Chris Beam]

Teammate. Just.

[Isaiah Stambach]

No biggie.

[Patrick Nosie Walker]

Former teammate.

[Chris Beam]

No biggie.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Don't get on him.

[Isaiah Stambach]

Jeez. You know, I'll get on Josh if I want.

[Chris Beam]

You know who else is still around that I might have to holl at that. I see. I see pretty frequently because he lives by me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who's that?

[Chris Beam]

Anthony Spears. Yeah, Anthony Spencer.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Spencer.

[Chris Beam]

Yep. Spears, spear. I had too many Spears. Spencers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's going to do it for us here on talking Cowboys. I appreciate you trying to make this football team better, Isaiah, by texting. Texting your resources. That's using your resources.

[Isaiah Stambach]

When you.

[Chris Beam]

When you see it, you just. You see guys and you're like, facts, facts. You look like a guy I played with. You know what I mean? And, like, I'm not saying that you could be that player. You will be that player. You'll exceed that player. But if you guys have the same, like, physical attributes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

And that person's still local, why not?

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

My question is, which DeMarcus is Donovan? Is he DeMarcus Ware or is he Demarcus Lawrence? I think he's playing like Demarcus Lawrence.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stambach]

They need to put him in the DeMarcus Ware lane, but right now they do have him in the DeMarcus Lawrence.

[Lowe's Commercial Announcer]

Where?

[Isaiah Stambach]

Yeah, that was a bar.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thank you. That's how we're gonna end. That's good. Here on talking is good.

[Chris Beam]

It's good.

[Isaiah Stambach]

It's good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

When we come back tomorrow, it's gonna be a. Say it with your chest.

[Chris Beam]

Friday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can't wait. We're gonna preview the matchup. Only got a couple of these left. It's going to be exciting. We're going to be ready to go.

[Chris Beam]

Show you who we are.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna show you who we are. Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. And Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. We'll see you tomorrow with more Talking Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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