Talkin’ Cowboys: The Quinnen Williams Effect

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: The Quinnen Williams Effect

Podcast: Talkin’ Cowboys
Date: November 20, 2025
Hosts: Patrick “No C” Walker, Isaiah Stanback, Josh Rodriguez, Kyle Yeomans, Chris Beam

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the transformative impact of new Cowboys defensive tackle Quinnen Williams, breaking down his debut performance, how it changes the defensive front, and how Dallas matches up against the Philadelphia Eagles. The crew also covers Cowboys injury updates (especially Dak Prescott), the defensive preview for the Eagles game, and Nick Sirianni’s struggling Philly offense. Expect sharp football analysis, stat breakdowns, playful banter, and some notably irreverent moments.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Cowboys News & Notes (07:01–13:03)

• Practice Recap:

  • The Cowboys are coming off a walkthrough due to the short week before their game vs. the Eagles.
  • No Cowboys missed practice; most key players were limited but involved, including Dak Prescott (hip, minor issue).
  • Assessment: "No one on the active roster for the Cowboys missed practice for any reason... The bad news is not bad, it's just something to keep an eye on." – Chris Beam (08:02)

• Dak Prescott’s Hip Issue:

  • Described as "minor," with assurance he’ll play. Schottenheimer’s hedged language around “issue” vs. “injury” sparks some skepticism.
  • “I hate the term that Shotti actually used, which was hip issue...issue seems a little more severe than just like, oh, he was just banged up” – Patrick Walker (09:38)
  • “But of course, on a short week, they're going to be extra cautious with [Dak].” – Chris Beam (08:44)

• Fun Quote:

  • “Like the recording artist Shakira said, hips don’t lie.” – Josh Rodriguez (09:16)

2. Cowboys Defensive Preview vs. Eagles Offense (13:03–21:22)

• Philly’s Struggling Passing Game:

  • Eagles average the second fewest passing yards per game since 2024 (186 yds). Still, their win-loss record is league-best over that span, showing resilience through defense and run game.
  • “Just because they can’t throw the ball doesn’t mean they can’t win games.” – Kyle Yeomans (13:55)

• Eagles’ Offensive Threats:

  • RB: Saquon Barkley cited as the scariest weapon (“scares me the most out of everybody...he’s just electric”—Isaiah, 15:51).

  • Receivers: Panel expresses more concern over DeVonta Smith than A.J. Brown, with Isaiah arguing Smith brings big-play ability while Brown can be flustered by physical coverage.

  • “He [A.J. Brown] puts off this Persona like he’s just big bad wolf. He’s not…You can go in there and disrupt him at the line of scrimmage.” – Isaiah Stanback (16:12, 16:36)

  • “DeVonta Smith...might only have three catches, but...” – Isaiah Stanback (17:18)

• Kaylin Carson’s Impact:

  • CB Kaylin Carson has impressed since returning to the lineup; stellar coverage vs. the Raiders highlighted (18:43–20:48).
  • “He allowed only one catch for 18 yards in man; in zone, only 3 catches for 37 yards—no touchdowns, no chunk plays.” – Patrick Walker (19:17)
  • Excitement mounts for Carson’s test against Philly’s receivers.

3. Matchup Breakdown: Dallas Defensive Line vs. Eagles’ O-Line (25:09–36:20)

• Eagles’ O-Line Weakness:

  • Eagles’ interior O-line has regressed, particularly with injuries; Lane Johnson (RT) banged up. The Cowboys’ interior DL is poised to exploit this.
  • “Their three interior offensive linemen...that’s where they’re weak” – Isaiah Stanback (27:15)
  • “We just happen to have arguably the best tandem and interior defensive line in the league, next to Philly.” – Isaiah Stanback (31:15)

• Defensive Strategy Advice:

  • Isaiah proposes pressing A.J. Brown, doubling DeVonta Smith, and physicality with Dallas Goddard to force Jalen Hurts into uncomfortable situations.
  • “Please allow your interior defensive lineman to go ham. Press up on A.J. Brown...Double DeVonta Smith, make it hard for Goddard to get off the line.” – Isaiah Stanback to Matt Eberflus (32:09)

• Jalen Hurts’ Profile:

  • Hurts is among the NFL’s most efficient (deep ball, under pressure, vs. man coverage), described as a patient “game manager” who avoids turnovers.
  • “If what you want is Jalen Hurts playing from behind...You don’t want him to control the game, because that’s what he does best.” – Josh Rodriguez (28:48)
  • “Jalen Hurts has 156 consecutive passes under pressure without an interception.” – Patrick Walker (29:29)

4. The Quinnen Williams Effect: Lab Coat Segment (41:31–48:44)

• Quinnen’s Debut Performance (with Next Gen Stats):

  • Elite Get Off: Quinnen Williams clocked a 1.08s average snap get-off, faster than Maxx Crosby (1.10s)—exceptional for a 300+ lb DT.
  • Double Teams: Drew 14 double-teams; had a “plus 8% QB pressure over expectation—the highest of any Cowboys player vs. Raiders.” – Patrick Walker (43:13)
  • “Your get off is your get off. As far as the success rates and the pressure over expectation...you can’t color [it] by the opponent—he’s been so great over the course of his young career against so many good teams.” – Patrick Walker (44:14)

• Scheme Note:

  • Williams played primarily as a 3-technique as a Jet, now debuting at the 1-tech for Dallas—making his dominance even more impressive (44:33–45:36).

• Unit Impact:

  • DL mates Kenny Clark and Osa Odighizuwa were also highly effective, benefitting from Quinnen’s double-teams.
  • “James Houston, Dante Fowler, Donovan Is Rocco...all the DEs saw 1v1s or even fewer double teams—pressure from everywhere.” (46:23–47:11)

• Panel Jokes About ‘Needing’ Another Edge Rusher:

  • “We definitely had to trade for an edge rusher, right?” – Josh Rodriguez (47:52, sarcastically)

5. Lighter Moments & Banter

• Multiple Callbacks to “Get Off,” Double Teams (43:49+):
  • The crew weaves in jokes about Quinnen Williams’ athleticism and terminology, with playful groans about their own immaturity.
  • “Spent a few hours studying a guy’s get-off.” – Chris Beam (48:34)
  • “Get off vs. double teams...Best performance he’s ever had.” – recurring, closes out segment (48:44–48:51)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Like the recording artist Shakira said, hips don’t lie.” – Josh Rodriguez (09:16)
• “Just because they can't throw the ball doesn't mean they can't win games.” – Kyle Yeomans (13:55)
• “Their three interior offensive linemen...that’s where they’re weak.” – Isaiah Stanback (27:15)
• “Quinnen Williams was getting off the ball quicker than Maxx Crosby. That is absolutely insane for a guy that's 50 pounds heavier.” – Patrick Walker (42:37)
• “Press up on A.J. Brown, double Devonta Smith, make it hard for Goddard to get off the line.” – Isaiah Stanback to Matt Eberflus (32:09)
• “I want every damn thing you said to come true.” – Chris Beam, on Isaiah’s defensive plan (34:10)
• (Joking about double teams and ‘get off’): “Spent a few hours studying a guy’s get off…get off against two guys…” – Chris Beam & panel (48:34–48:51)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Dak Prescott News & Cowboys Updates: 07:01–13:03
• Eagles Offense Preview & Receivers Discussion: 13:03–21:22
• Kaylin Carson’s Promising Play: 18:43–20:48
• Eagles Offensive Line Weakness & Cowboys’ DT Strength: 27:15–31:31
• Defensive Blueprint for Stopping Philly: 31:59–33:40
• Lab Coat: The Quinnen Williams Effect (deep stats, DL scheme): 41:31–48:44

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Tone and Style

The panel is lively, irreverent, and affable, mixing deep football analysis and data with insider jokes, banter, and Southern accents. The tone is conversational and punchy, balancing technical football talk with plenty of laughs.

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What Listeners Should Take Away

• Quinnen Williams’ debut has transformed the Cowboys’ defensive front, creating more one-on-ones for others and is expected to be even more impactful against the Eagles’ weakened interior O-line.
• Key matchups to watch: Kaylin Carson vs. DeVonta Smith, interior DL vs. Philly’s guards and center, and how Dallas schemes against Eagles’ tight end Dallas Goddard.
• The crew is only mildly worried about Dak’s hip and not at all about the Cowboys’ ability to match up physically, provided the game plan stays smart and aggressive.

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For the full Cowboys defensive preview, detailed film/stat analysis, and signature Talkin’ Cowboys camaraderie, this episode is a must-listen before Dallas–Philly.

Transcript

[Colin Coward]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Chris Beam]

This is Talking Cowboys, streaming live from.

[Patrick No See Walker]

The Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the Star in Frisco.

[Chris Beam]

CD Lamb. Jake Ferguson. Hus. And he bangs it in for the touchdown.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And now your hosts, Isaiah Stanbach, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. It's a terrific Thursday edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle coffee company live from the store in Frisco, Texas, in the SWBC studio. Welcome, everybody. We've got our whole cast and crew ready for you to rock today with Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stambat. That is I, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Glad you're with us on this beautiful, cloudy, rainy, stormy Thursday in Frisco.

[Chris Beam]

I love it.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I love Frisco.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I sleep like a baby.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Did you do your yard work before it started raining?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, I did, actually.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

There we go. Attaboy.

[Chris Beam]

That was not rain. That was something else that came through here.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's great.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Was good fresh air.

[Chris Beam]

I love carill.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I love, like halfway waking up whenever the. The storm gives you.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Oh, you know what I mean?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Like one of those. We're just like, oh, my God. But you still sleep soundly. I don't even open my eyes. I'm just like, oh, man.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Like, nice.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's going to be rough, dude.

[Chris Beam]

And it happened overnight. Was even better, cuz. Safe and sound in the bed. He just went back to sleep. You have to slap the window a couple times. Like, wake up.

[Patrick No See Walker]

My. As a homeowner. It hits different, too, because one, you know there's rain, which you're like, all right, sweet. But then you're like, oh, but there's also wind. Yeah. All this other stuff that could happen. And it's like, maybe, maybe it's not the best thing in the world yet. Last night, my. My kids have been playing in the backyard a ton. They've been like out in the back. Especially when my wife's home alone. She'll take them out there and they'll just run around and they'll ride their little balance bikes or whatever they got. And so I wake up at 2:30.

[Chris Beam]

For the first.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And the first one that I hear. I'm like oh no, I gotta go grab all their stuff. It's all in the backyard. And so I like bust out of bed and I'm going in the opposite direction. I'm going into the backyard and I grab every single piece of toy that I possibly can. I throw it all under either into the kitchen or into the patio that we've got back there, try and clean it up as quickly as possible. And there's lightning everywhere. Like am I going to die for this $4 m lawn mower push toy that I got but got to get it done.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So that's a real dad man.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Different now that as as a dad we're duties normally I would do exactly what you did. Be like nice.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It was way better in an apartment when like there's a tornado warning and you're like bring it on.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You know what I mean?

[Josh Rodriguez]

I want to see something, dude. And now you're in a home, you know what I mean? On stilts and please God come this way.

[Chris Beam]

Why does the storm when it gets to Josh's subdivision why does it suddenly become Lightning McQueen. McQueen. Yeah, nice.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I heard that Beamer. I like that. All right, let's get into do a.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Little bit news and no you know if you, if you're. If you get a storm at home now you know what to expect.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Today is going to be our Cowboys shingles coming off Cowboys Defensive Preview vs. The the Eagles offensive preview after Isaiah broke down QB vision yesterday. Did a great job on that, my friend. Thanks guys.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

And then I heard coach Scheinheimer freaking say everything that I said.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, it's like he watched the show or something.

[Chris Beam]

It's like this show watches film and.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

This show was before his press conference.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It was.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, I think it was making sure.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Definitely.

[Chris Beam]

I mean but this does tie into what the fan Millie was asking you.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yesterday when is I got a little.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You got a little extra time on.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Your hands that side of the building knows nothing of what I do over here.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Message really quickly.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Not yet.

[Josh Rodriguez]

There are people in the chat already asking about sounds from the sideline and I just want to address that for people that enjoy sounds from the sideline that like to go on Twitter and like where's sounds and they'll tweet Eric.

[Chris Beam]

Well, where the hell is it?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Hey, man, it's already up. Hey, man, it's already up. But also, like, when it's been 48 hours.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So aggressive.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Like, give us a little time. No. And. And, like, I'm not even editing it. That's the great.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Alex.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Lily.

[Chris Beam]

But, like, Alex also.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Give him a second, dude.

[Chris Beam]

Great.

[Patrick No See Walker]

They're expecting immediately.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, they expect it 24 hours after they, like.

[Chris Beam]

It's Tuesday.

[Josh Rodriguez]

We. Sounds like. What are you talking about?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No time for you.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I know. It's been 24.

[Chris Beam]

That's just like. Settle down, buddy.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

First and foremost, buddy.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Hold your horses, pal.

[Patrick No See Walker]

But it is up, though.

[Josh Rodriguez]

It's up now.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, it's up now, man.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Sorry. Jeez. I know. It's great. Just give us a second, man. We all have lives.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I just want to see how far he'd keep going.

[Chris Beam]

Hold on.

[Narrator/Announcer]

I mean.

[Chris Beam]

I have tears in my.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What if we went to your work every day? What are those? TBS reports, buddy.

[Chris Beam]

Oh, my God.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They go to your lunch break.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What's wrong with you, man? I'm going to tweet at your boss and ask those quarterly.

[Chris Beam]

Kimberly.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Exactly.

[Chris Beam]

All right, Chill out. News and nose, first and foremost. Sounds and sidelines is up. So let's be clear. It's up for the sake of Josh and Alex and all involved.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Sergeant sue said. Let me find out. Y' all slept before dropping sounds. Siri.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, God forbid.

[Chris Beam]

It's too good. Because I could relate.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, no doubt.

[Chris Beam]

Oh. All right. News and notes were back on the practice field yesterday. On a short week as they prepare.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Say it again. A short week.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Right.

[Chris Beam]

Short week. On a short week as they prepare to host the defending champion Philadelphia Eagles. It was a walkthrough yesterday. Let me say that again. It was a walk through. Through yesterday.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Walk.

[Chris Beam]

Walk. Not jog. Not. Not running.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No yoging.

[Chris Beam]

No yoging. With a soft J. They would. There was a walk through. That being said, we had several limited participants. I'll get to the headliner in a second. Perry on Winfrey. Again, a full participant. So he's on track. Had a good exclusive talk with him yesterday. That article will drop this morning at some point. Maybe after science lab. Lab coat today. Yeah. So Genevion Clowny, Dante Fowler, Malik Hooker, Tyler Smith, Solomon Thomas, Donovan Wilson.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, yeah, I see what you're.

[Chris Beam]

They're all limited participants. The great news is no one on the active roster for the Cowboys missed practice for any reason on yesterday. So that's the good news. The bad news is not bad. It's just Something to kind of keep an eye on Dak Prescott.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, you skipped the name there.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, it's because, you know, I had to.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Dramatic effect.

[Chris Beam]

Dramatic effect. Which Josh can appreciate always.

[Josh Rodriguez]

As always.

[Chris Beam]

Absolutely. So, Donovan. Donovan Wilson. Dak Prescott suffered a little bit of a hip issue against the Raiders. It's described as minor. Fix your eyeballs. Described as minor. The quote from Brian Schottenheimer was, it's nothing major.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I don't like those words.

[Chris Beam]

I don't like them either. Was that it's nothing major. But of course, on a short week, they're going to be extra cautious with. So today when they are at practice, things ramp up for what should be a full practice. You'll probably see Dak Prescott in a limited capacity. Um, I do expect him to participate. They say that they're not looking to really scale him back from anything this week, just more so making sure that they help him manage whatever the hip issue is. But again, I'm told it's minor.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

He will play against the Philadelphia Eagles, and it should not impede anything.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Well, like the recording artist Shakira said, hips don't lie. So you have to be cautious of that whenever it comes on the injury support and understand that they're taking all the precautions.

[Chris Beam]

See, if you're going to do the Shakira dance, though, Kyle can do it for us. Yeah, just like a little shimmy. You're just moving shoulders. That's all songs. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You know how Shakira, how she uses her shoulders?

[Chris Beam]

It's not called Shoulders don't lie.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Two things here. Two things when it comes to this whole conversation about Dak and him being limited in practice yesterday. One, I hate the term that Shotti actually used, which was hip issue.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, it was just a hip issue.

[Patrick No See Walker]

It's like, issue seems a little more severe than just like, oh, he was just banged up, you know, like, he just kind of was.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Wanted to say things.

[Patrick No See Walker]

An ailing thing. Yeah, Like a hip thing. Yeah, just one of those things. The fact that he said an issue makes me think it might be, like, something.

[Chris Beam]

I think he was trying to find the word to not say injury. Yeah. Because you say hip injury and Dak Prescott and people like, holy crap. So you could see him searching for. So he was like, hip issue. And then when that came out, people were like, holy crap. And he's probably like, well, darn it.

[Patrick No See Walker]

The second thing with it, and I told this to Tommy Yaris yesterday, it kind of felt like the way that he was trying to hedge the bets in the Middle of that conversation was like a. Like a company that's trying to have. Trying to urge their stockholders not to sell. It's like, no, no, no, no. Everything is fine. We're okay. Don't sell the stock. Hold your stock. It'll be fine. And then, of course, like, we out more today about what the injury report looks like. I don't love the fact that Dak is on there with a hip issue, though.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

He'll be fine.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, I believe he'll be fine. All the more reason for the offensive line to draw motivation to keep him clean and upright against the Philadelphia Eagles. That's all I'll say. Because if it's. I mean, if he's dealing with a hip issue or a hip thing or whatever the case may be, last thing you want is Jalen Carter landing on that hip or Jordan Davis or Jaylen Phillips getting his hands on him. Especially considering, guess what? You have after the Eagles four days.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Later, that Chiefs team.

[Chris Beam]

That Chiefs team four days later, keep Dak Prescott standing up.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And then you got the Lions and Aiden Hutchinson, who just got paid $80 billion to play football.

[Chris Beam]

What?

[Josh Rodriguez]

What's that?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Nothing.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Why'd you.

[Chris Beam]

Why'd you say, hey, no coy, Isaiah.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Why are you being coy?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Just too far down the road, Kyle.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Why is that?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

This is one game seasons.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'm not playing in the games.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

One game.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'm not in it.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Oh, yes, you are.

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, I'm not.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You have a desk upstairs.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Sir, I do have a desk upstairs, but that doesn't mean I'm playing in the game.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

One game.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I can look down the line as much as possible.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Don't look past freaking Phillips and Bond and these receivers.

[Chris Beam]

There's no looking past.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Are you concerned about the hip, Isaiah? Is that what you're saying?

[Patrick No See Walker]

No.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Oh, not at all. No. Shakira, play some now.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You give it a shot.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No. Do the security. My profile has been shut down.

[Chris Beam]

No, your hip injuries come from something else. Ew.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What?

[Chris Beam]

It's the eel. Sick. So, yeah, that's. That's your news and notes for today. No transactions from the Cowboys yesterday. Everyone participated in some capacity in the walkthrough on yesterday, so that's good news. And we go forward to today, which is. What's today? Thursday. I'm Thursday.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Today's Thursday.

[Chris Beam]

So, yeah, we go through to today's practice, and let's see who does. Does not practice. But Dak Prescott, at minimum, I believe he'll be limited. I don't think you'll see him as a Full participant, but he'll get some reps in.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, good. And they'll be back out in pads and it'll be more of a full practice.

[Chris Beam]

Today will be a full practice. Cool.

[Patrick No See Walker]

All right. Today is Thursday, so that means we are previewing the Cowboys defense up against this Philadelphia offense and what they bring to the table. This offense hasn't been playing at an extremely high level like you would anticipate. They're still good. Don't get it. Winning ball games and they're still eight and two. So. Yes, you're right. Absolutely. Case Eagles have averaged the second fewest passing yards per game, 186 yards per game this year. That's the second fewest in the NFL since 2024. Only the Titans have averaged fewer over the last two seasons. And Titans are in a very different situation than what the Philadelphia Eagles were in. Philadelphia, still 22 and 5, has the best win loss record over that entire span. So just because they can't throw the ball doesn't mean they can't win games. And that's part of what we outlined yesterday as a part of the defensive preview. But when you look at this offense and Isaiah, I'll start with you here. Where do you see the biggest threat for Philadelphia across the board? Biggest threat.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I mean, they're all. Their entire office is a threat. They have the personnel to get it done on record, I think GMFB by a week.

[Chris Beam]

Week 4.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

When I was on GMFB Flex, I went on there and told everybody. They were talking about their. Their off. Their offense wasn't scoring points and.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Right.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

We had a segment where you write on the board, what is the word that describes, you know, their, their issues offensively. And you know, my, my comrades on the show were like, so. And like, they're still winning. And I was like, Kevin Patulo. And they're like, what are you talking about? I'm like, he's not, he's not. Not good. He's not good for them. Right. He's not killing more.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Not a fit.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Not a fit.

[Josh Rodriguez]

And they're not creative.

[Chris Beam]

They're like, oh, you're tripping.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You know, so what if they're off? Is they're going to be fine. I'm like, no, their offense is not going to be fine. Not with this officer coordinator. And that was a long time ago. Yeah, I mentioned that. And it has not improved. 28th in the league in terms of past productivity. It's not great. Not ngb. However, it doesn't matter because they're still effective. If anything, that that still kind of. It scares you a little bit that they're that inconsistent and that. What's the word I'm looking for?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Volatile.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, not even volatile. They're just not productive in the passing game yet. They're still 8 and 2. Yep. It's kind of scary, right?

[Patrick No See Walker]

So it is what happens when it clicks.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It just lets you know how powerful this team is. They are.

[Patrick No See Walker]

They're.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They're jugging out of a team. You got to punch these guys in the mouth and you know you're going to take some. Some lumps too.

[Chris Beam]

You're just gonna.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

We're all gonna come out lumped up.

[Chris Beam]

Right. It's just like.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You just see hope that you.

[Chris Beam]

Willy Lump Lump.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah. Willie Lump Lump, Bro. This freaking Frazier versus. Versus. You know, Foreman. I don't know. It's somebody right? This just heavyweight just hammering each other. Exactly. They're. They're. Saquon Barkley scares me the most.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Of course.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Saquon scares me the most out of everybody. Just because even when you feel like you have him stopped, you don't. He. He is just electric in that regard. He can hurt you in the running game. He hurt you in the passing game. Interior run, exterior run. He's just. He's just a beast. He is what he is. He's the best running back in the league. Hands down passing game. They're a threat. Not as. Not as scared of them in the passing game. Monte Smith more than anybody scares me.

[Chris Beam]

A.J.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Brown does not scare me.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Really?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah. I respect A.J.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Brown.

[Josh Rodriguez]

You have to.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You have to. You have to respect him. I don't. I think that you can get in his head. I think that he struggles.

[Josh Rodriguez]

His own team has gotten in the set.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

As much as he struggles, as much as he is a physical specimen, he struggles at the line of scrimmage so you can go get hands on him. Some of our defensive backs have been doing a good job of that lately. Even our. Our new addition. No, no R B group, but Rebel. I'm looking forward to seeing him get at the line of scrimmage and put some hands on him because I think A.J. brown gets flustered when. When you. When you're in his hip pocket like that and physical, you know, match his physicalness at the line of scrimmage. He's not as physical as everybody thinks he is. He puts off this person. DK no, he puts off this Persona like he's just big bad wolf.

[Chris Beam]

He's not. He's not.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

He's really not in that. So you can go in there and you could disrupt him at the line of scrimmage. Devonte Smith's the guy that you have to keep an eye on because he.

[Chris Beam]

Is the splash part.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It's a splash play. Yeah. He might only have three catches, but.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Hold on, hold on. He goes. Devonte Smith. You said Kaylin Carson.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yes.

[Chris Beam]

The reason I say that is because I'm looking forward to seeing what Carson can do, if he can do it.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Just wanted to make sure.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, no, I wasn't saying that.

[Patrick No See Walker]

We're not putting.

[Chris Beam]

I'm not saying that category.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He's got a long way to go to get to that point.

[Chris Beam]

I'm saying I'm excited to see this test. That's fine for Kaylin Carson.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Not implying that Carson's going to shut.

[Chris Beam]

Down because if that were the case.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I wanted to double check there. Just needed to throw on the brakes for a split second. Clarify.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, if that were my intent, I would have said Duron, which he's at least at this point. But, yeah, I'm talking in the reference, in the regard of. I want to see Kaylin Carson get tested to this capacity because I love what he did last week. But that. That's not a Heisman winner.

[Patrick No See Walker]

He's had two really solid outings.

[Chris Beam]

So I'm ready for this test for. You know, that's what I mean when I say that. Okay.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Also, a great article on Kaylin Carson that's up on Dallas Cowboys.com right now.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Thank you.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Who wrote that?

[Chris Beam]

That's Patrick.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Lucy Walker.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Oh, cool.

[Chris Beam]

It's up on the dot com. Yeah, Appreciate it. Check that out. The exclusive talk that I had with Kaylin Carson, and we'll talk about it here before the show is out. But the numbers that he. He was able to produce against the.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Raiders, quite promising and basically clawing himself back into a starting role. 100amazing. Like what he's been able to do.

[Chris Beam]

Okay. Since we're talking about him.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah, please.

[Chris Beam]

I mean, if we're. If we're talking, then let's talk about it. So before I was watching film, of course, because that's what we do. Talking Cowboys. And then it was time for locker room availability. And one of the guys I pulled to the side was Kaylin Carson. Just to kind of get his mindset on climbing back, he said he, quote, unquote, I feel like I'm back. He talked about feeling confident now, talked about how he's no longer thinking. And you saw that, you know, when on that PBU where he broke into the ball and he Jarred it loose with the tackle. Tackling is there. The shoulder is great. The knees feeling great. He feels great. So that's promising. Now, let's talk about some numbers real quick. Kaylin Carson against the Raiders, he showed that he could do it in both capacities. He could do it in man coverage, which we felt that he could because that was one of his green flags coming out of Wake Forest. But he's also showing he can do it in zone coverage. So in man coverage, he was targeted nine times. He allowed only one catch for only 18 yards, no tutties. In zone coverage, he was targeted five times, allowed only three catches for only 37 yards, no tutties, no chunk plays. Then, of course, he had the red zone PBU against none other than Brock Bowers to keep that from being a touchdown for Geno Smith and the Raiders at a critical part of the game. I say all this to say, and I'll state this again. There is a massive test coming up this week for Kaylin Carson. Massive. But I also feel confident that while Devonte. I think devonte will get a chunk play or two. It's just. I mean, he's just that. Yeah, that freaking good. If Jalen hurts can get him the ball, which is a different conversation. Right. Then devonte can make the play. But I do think you'll see Kaylin Carson when he's matched up against DeVontae Smith. I think he'll wind he'll win some of those reps and that's what I'm excited to see. I want to see if this confidence that he's now building, this groove that he's getting into is going to translate against a contender. Because if it can and Revel can get hands on and. And fluster AJ Brown, then my question is, what does this linebacker group look like? D Mo and Logan and Ready Stewart, Duron, Bland when it comes to inside coverage on Dallas Goddard.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Because the Cowboys did an excellent job of shutting down Saquon Barkley in week one without Quinn and Williams. Okay. Without Savone Revel, without Kaylin Carson. So they were able to do these things. They only held him to 60 yards rushing, one touchdown, and they could have won that game if not for the infamous drops. Right. I think that they can contain Saquon Barkley even more so with Quinn and Williams on the field. Sure. So. So for me, now, you're talking about Dallas Goddard. My eyes just keep going back to Dallas Goddard. That's. That's going to be the person I believe is going to dictate that game, this game for the for the Eagles.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I want to talk a little bit more about that, but I also want to go to the second segment here and then of course we have lab coat coming up, third segment a little bit later on. Want to leave plenty of time for that. More of the Cowboys defensive preview going up against the Philadelphia offense when we come back right after this.

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[Isaiah Stanbach]

I'm home. Hey mom, before you ask, I've done my homework and the dishwasher's unloading.

[Chris Beam]

Nice. Hey, can you.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Hey hon.

[Chris Beam]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

Here's your wine.

[Chris Beam]

Wow.

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[Isaiah Stanbach]

Oh, I watched.

[Chris Beam]

Been seeing some good things. Totally. They have some. Some talent.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yep.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Some great talent.

[Chris Beam]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

Back here on Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company. This segment is brought to you by Invisalign, the official smile of the Dallas Cowboys. Continuing our preview of the Dallas defense taking on the Philadelphia offense and Isaiah, you talked a little bit about.

[Chris Beam]

Wait, I forgot. I got to toss this news and.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, yes, please.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, we got a news and note.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yep.

[Chris Beam]

Damone Clark, he was claimed yesterday by none other than Demico Ryan's and d' Amico Ryan and the Houston Texans.

[Patrick No See Walker]

There you go.

[Chris Beam]

So love to see that for phone. Just a fantastic human being who did all he could to kind of claw his way into the good graces of Mike Zimmer and Matt Eber. Floss was unable to do so, but still very early in his career. And that's just a fantastic landing spot for him. And he gets to stay in Texas not far from home. So Damone Clark and I spoke with him yesterday after he was claimed, and he's in just excellent spirits at, you know, the potential for what comes next for him in Houston. So, Damone Clark to the Texans. Nice.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Good friend, good stuff.

[Chris Beam]

Shouts out to Alan Z. Thanks for reminding me.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yep.

[Patrick No See Walker]

There you go. So best of luck, Damone. Hope you have some success down there in H town. All right. Continuing the preview, Isaiah brought up yesterday, Jake Ferguson and how much he could play an impact in this game. Patrick just said Dallas Goddard is going to play a big impact in this game. Josh, I'll look at you now. Yeah, tight ends are obviously going to be a big part of this whole thing. Whenever there are so many weapons on the outside, though, should they be the featured part of either one of these offenses. Especially talking about Philly.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, absolutely. I mean, the fact that, I mean, Isaiah, you alluded to Kevin Petullo and sort of the uncreativity that he has for their offense.

[Chris Beam]

Trash.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I mean, the personnel is there. There's no doubt about it. They just won the super. The personnel is there. They haven't lost a lot of guys. It's their offensive line for me, that has taken a step back. But in terms, the offensive line is taking a step back. They're not who they were last year.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No.

[Patrick No See Walker]

They're banged up too, though.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They're banged up and just the. Even before the performance isn't there. I mean, if you. In terms of Saquon Barkley and not to get away from the passing. Sure. Side of things, but he's rushing at a full 1 yard less per contact this year over last year.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, prior to contact.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Prior to contact. Yeah, that. That. That's huge for Saquon Barkley.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And we talked about last week with Genti.

[Chris Beam]

Absolutely.

[Josh Rodriguez]

The numbers haven't been there for him necessarily.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Do you know where they're weak at on their offensive line?

[Josh Rodriguez]

Where are they?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Three interior offensive linemen.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Really?

[Chris Beam]

Wait a minute.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Wait.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Do we have really good interior defensive linemen?

[Chris Beam]

Cowboys? Really?

[Patrick No See Walker]

No, we're the Cowboys. That doesn't happen.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I think they're getting hot.

[Chris Beam]

What?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, is that Shakira?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No, that's not Shakira.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But at least for me, the secret weapon that they have, and honestly, he's playing relatively well compared to all of the flack that the Eagles offense gets is Jalen hurts. I really think that he's honed what he does as a quarterback in that he doesn't make the mistakes, he doesn't want to throw, Tight window throws.

[Chris Beam]

He doesn't want to throw.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He doesn't want to throw. But in terms of his rankings among the top QBs in the NFL, he ranks number five and deep ball completion percentage, number one in pressured completion percentage, number four in completion percentage versus man, and number three, passer rating versus man at 127.2. He's an efficient passer when he decides to pass. And he is not above taking a drive and saying, like, we'll live to see another drive.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, he's very patient.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's extremely patient.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

A lot of wisdom. A.

[Josh Rodriguez]

A dream quarterback for a Bill Belichick type, you know what I mean? Because he's not going to make the mistake. Yeah, that's what Jalen hurts.

[Chris Beam]

Game manager.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So if he's Going up against an offense that is on all cylinders. That's what I'm talking about. The Dallas Cowboys have to be perfect on offense.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

They have to annihilate Phillies defense, a vf because if what you want is Jalen Hurts playing from behind.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, you do.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That's what you want. You don't want him to control the game, to be the bus driver, because that's what he does best.

[Patrick No See Walker]

And he doesn't, he doesn't turn the football over. He doesn't put the ball in harm's way. And so if you're able to push him into pressure situations, you're able to continuously make him throw the football play from behind, then those mistakes can start to pop up. Right now, Jalen Hurts has 156 consecutive passes under pressure without an interception. So even when there's pressure, physical pressure, they're not putting the ball in harm's way. No dumping it off underneath. They're hitting those shallow cross. They're just continuously working the ball methodically down the field, where if you're able to put them in a situation where they're down a touchdown, down two touchdowns, and your offense is doing what they do best, which is put up points, then all of a sudden their offense gets completely out of whack because they anticipate their defense setting the tone.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

That's what they rely on.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's where they start it all and that's where they want to finish it all.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Like they, they don't mind punting when they absolutely need. Yeah. They're like, all right, sure. If it's not 4th and one gonna.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Get the ball back, like it's fine.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Exactly. They have so much confidence in their defense and that's, I think, the Achilles heel. Like you have to attack their defense.

[Chris Beam]

Achilles. You know what's going to be interesting to watch though? And first of all, let's see if the officials officiate it the way it should be done.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You're starting to listen.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

We just not getting third and shorts.

[Chris Beam]

I agree with that. In the event that you do, which eventually you will, because I mean, you're never going to go 60 minutes of football and not be in a third and short situation. I mean, it's just going to happen.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Right.

[Chris Beam]

Because mistakes happen.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They will not be in a third in one situation all game.

[Chris Beam]

All. Are you saying that with your chest? I would love, but that means you got to speak up.

[Patrick No See Walker]

We're not going to see a single.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, I didn't say that. That he said not a single time will you be in third one. I would love for that to be true.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No third ones.

[Patrick No See Walker]

First drive.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No third ones.

[Chris Beam]

Much football in my.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

No third ones.

[Chris Beam]

All right, I'm with it.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I don't know how that happens. I don't know what makes you game.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Is going to be different than what people believe.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What makes you say that?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They're struggling on an interior offensive line. They're really struggling. If you go back and watch the Detroit game, the. The interior D lineman, which are not like.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's not their strong pursuit.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

And then Lane Johnson's hurt.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. Okay.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So, I mean, so they're. They're.

[Chris Beam]

They're.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

They're. Their wing is. Is injured.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

And then their freaking cabin is all busted up. Right. You know, the glass. Their freaking windshield is cracked. I mean, it's whatever wants to come through that windshield is coming through the windshield. And we just happen to have arguably the best tandem and interior defensive line in the league, next to Philly.

[Chris Beam]

So here's what's going to happen.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Hold on. Were those two separate metaphors? Very much a wing and they're playing as Jack.

[Chris Beam]

Oh.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, so it's a plane now.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It's not. It's a plane. The wing. Okay, I did that, but I don't what you want me to do. So the wing is all. Is. Is jacked up.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Lane Johnson, don't do this.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I'm not.

[Chris Beam]

I don't wanna go gadget. So I don't know.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

The wing is jacked.

[Chris Beam]

The way he's egging. You might wanna.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, I'm thinking about Madagascar here. That's what my vision. Okay.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Okay.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So in the interior office line is not good. I'm just telling you.

[Chris Beam]

No, I agree. I agree.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So I really think that you like. I think that Dallas is going to truly disrupt what they're doing. I'm asking, I'm pleading.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

That. That Coach Eberfluss allows these cornerbacks to go up and press like play AJ Brown man to man. Can you double devonte?

[Patrick No See Walker]

Can you look in your camera and give Matt Eberflusa.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Coach Eberfluss, please allow your interior office alignment defensive lineman to go ham. Press up on A.J. brown. Go put your most physical defensive back on A.J. brown. Sit on the inside pocket because he can't outrun your. Your DBs. He can't. He doesn't have the go juice anymore. Sit on the inside hip, jam him up at the line of scrimmage, yap to him, double devontae Smith and make sure that your Linebackers get. Get jams on. On. On Goddard. That's what I'm asking. Make it hard for Goddard to get off the line of scrimmage. Sit on the inside hip of AJ Brown freaking E Honda.

[Chris Beam]

Go.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Make these guys play. Make them play Street Fighter for the remainder of the week, okay? Get him in the corner and just jam him up, okay? He can't run over the top.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Stop.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

All right? And I guarantee you that you will have two turnovers via the air if you do that. Because there's going to become a point in time if you can stop Saquon Barkley from running the ball, which you did last time, and you're going to do a better job this time, arguably, then he's going to. Then Hertz is going to have no choice but to put the ball up. And if Devontae Smith is doubled up, you can't go over there and he's going to try to force it to A.J. brown. Him and A.J. brown are not in sync, okay? They're not in sync. They're not an R and B group, and they're not a Bluetooth that you can't do it. So let him throw the ball over the top. Take him off.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Why are teams doing that?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I don't know.

[Chris Beam]

Here's the. Here's the thing.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Like, it's really not like Kevin Patullo's schemes are trash. Players are not. Schemes are trash. They're predictable. You can disrupt everything that they're doing by literally going up there. Play.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Play.

[Chris Beam]

A.J.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Man to man. Like, they're. They would be appalled that you're doing it. Prove me wrong.

[Chris Beam]

Prove me wrong. See, you just kind of made my point as far as number one, I want everything you said to come true.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Sounds great.

[Chris Beam]

Matter of fact, let me just say it in my full blown Southern accent. I want every damn thing you said to come true.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Isaiah, start a fight.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You sound like.

[Chris Beam]

Start a fight. You just said something. That's. This is what makes it difficult for me to fathom going against a team with this much talent. Regardless of how trash their coordinator is, which I agree, somebody's going to get nine yards on a second and 10, and that's how you get third and one. No. So when the third and one happens, which I hope it never does, when it happens. Tush push vs. Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I love the Savannah accent.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So it still works. I mean, but.

[Chris Beam]

Oh, that wasn't Savannah accent, your normal talk. That was more Valdosta George accent.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, you're more talking like your regular talking Voice still has like tweaks of Savannah in there and then.

[Josh Rodriguez]

But then laugh at throwing when you.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Tried to go more Southern. You sounded like Brian Kelly in the intro press conference when he took the LSU job. My family like, dude, shut up, dude. You're from Indiana.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Good Lord.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Oh, dude, it's terrible. Have you watched that video? It's awful.

[Chris Beam]

I'm here for the Brian Kelly shade. But yeah, no Savannah accident is much, much different. If I let that loose, just like the Atlanta accent is. If I let that loose, y' all won't understand. Understand what I'm saying.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Don't let me get a little L up in here.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Go Lobos.

[Chris Beam]

But no. So I want everything Isaiah said to come true. I do. But in the event the the Tush push comes into play, I want the officials to officiate it how they need to do your jobs. That's what you're getting paid to do. And I would love to see it versus Quinn Williams because Quinn Williams was asked about it and he's not going up against the Tush push before. So I want to see all touch pushes.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It's a rugby place. So I mean, it's very difficult to stop. So I'm not even more so when.

[Chris Beam]

You'Re letting them get off the ball before it all starts for now.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

So I'm less concerned about that because I don't think third and one's gonna happen. Now. You might get down o line and it happens, but I don't whatever Tush pushes, Tush push. You find yourself in that situation, you're probably screwed. But I don't foresee there. I don't think there might. I'm obviously standing up on a big old mountain by myself. But no third ones.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I like it. Brian Kelly's also from Massachusetts, by the way, so still very much so.

[Chris Beam]

Even less of a likelihood that he would have have that. It's more. I'm sure Isaiah this Indiana would have.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'm going to show you this video in this in the break here in a second, but we're. We got to take our break because we got to have time for lab coat. I need lab coat segment. Pat, what do we got coming up?

[Chris Beam]

Since we're talking about the offense of the Philadelphia Eagles and we're talking about Quinn and Williams and that in defensive interior for the Cowboys. Let's talk about exact exactly how well they're playing off of each other on.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Talk in Cowboy when we come back.

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[Isaiah Stanbach]

Hey mom, before you ask, I've done my homework and the dishwasher's unloading.

[Chris Beam]

Nice. Hey, can you.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Hey hon. Yes, I've got the finale ready to play. Here's your wine.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Wow.

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[Patrick No See Walker]

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[Chris Beam]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, pretty much everything except for what? Isaiah's weird right now.

[Chris Beam]

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[Isaiah Stanbach]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, God.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

For special edition.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, I see.

[Chris Beam]

Did it just get hot in here?

[Josh Rodriguez]

My goodness.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Oh, this is a special edition.

[Chris Beam]

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[Patrick No See Walker]

That's supposed to be behind a page.

[Chris Beam]

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[Isaiah Stanbach]

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[Josh Rodriguez]

On all platforms if you.

[Patrick No See Walker]

All platforms paywall or not.

[Chris Beam]

And those who may not.

[Josh Rodriguez]

First month is free.

[Chris Beam]

Stand back. Actually has his own fragrance, by the way. I'm not kidding. He has his own cologne.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Oh, I wear all Isaiah all the time.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yep.

[Chris Beam]

Sir.

[Patrick No See Walker]

You can, you can get 50% off your first month by using the the code TLK C W B O.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

S. If you were to stand back. Sent into Black Rifle Coffee company you won't get a discount.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, you'll get kicked out. All right. Back here with Patrick Walker.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Zero percent off.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. Stand back. Chris Beam in the back.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

You'll leave a pleasant sit behind.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah. So it is a Thursday.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It is.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Which means later today on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Sorry, I was Dallas Cowboys.

[Chris Beam]

There it is. There it is.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I know there will be a science lab. I'm transitioning, guys.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I know.

[Chris Beam]

Let them flow.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Science lab will be up later on Dallas Cowboys.com and leading into that we have Patrick. No see Walker with a little bit of a science lab. Lab coat, whatever.

[Chris Beam]

Beamer.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yes. Science.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. Lab coat. Here we go. Lab coat with a K. If you're nasty. I know you are. We're going to talk about really quickly. We all know that Quinn Williams played extremely well in his debut.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yes, he did.

[Chris Beam]

And looking at the film and then looking at the advanced statistics on next gen stats, let me tell you exactly how well he played and then I'll tell you how others fed off of that. First and foremost, one thing that jumped up off of the film for me was his get off. Okay, so I was curious for a man that's over £300, who can't. Who can fire off the snap that Quickly. I wanted to see who else had had a get off time that was that elite. Max Crosby's was 1.2, 1.10 seconds on average on 30 pass rushes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

What is this, a marathon?

[Chris Beam]

I'm staying here. Quinn and Williams was 1.08 seconds on only two fewer pass rushes. So the numbers are directly comparable because they almost had the same number, same number of pass rushes. And Quinn and Williams was getting off the ball quicker than Max Crosby. That is absolutely insane for a guy that's 50, 40 pounds, 40, 50 pounds heavier than Max Crosby. What did that allow him to do? That allowed him to. That allowed him to get a quarterback pressure over expectation of plus 8%. That was the highest of any Cowboys player in that game.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I liked those words.

[Chris Beam]

This was his debut. This was his first time playing in the Cowboys uniform with this playbook. And Matt Eber Fluss and Queenie Williams had the highest quarterback over expectation of any Cowboys player. Here's what's even better. Now we know that he, we know he's going to draw double teams. Those double teams are going to allow other guys to have straight up match matchups, Right? But then what is Quinn Williams doing with these double teams? He was plus 3%, roughly 1 double 10 as far as his success rate is concerned. So he's winning when you throw two guys at him. So that also goes to just how unstoppable Quinn and Williams was. And I know a lot get off.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Is just as good with you guys.

[Chris Beam]

Get off is just as good when you got two guys on them.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Cool.

[Chris Beam]

Okay. Oh, now some fans are going to say, oh, well, no, see it was against the Raiders, you're right. But we're also talking about Quinn and Williams. It's not as if he's not been dominated against some of the best teams.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It doesn't matter who you're playing. Your get off is your get off.

[Chris Beam]

Your get off is your get off. But as far as the success rates and the pressure over expectation and things like that, my point is you can't. This is one player you can't use what was the Raiders to color the impact that he had because he's been so great over the course of his young career against so many good teams.

[Josh Rodriguez]

He's proven it against better teams 100%.

[Chris Beam]

We have a question.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I just want to add value to what you're providing here. The science that you're dropping in the lab coat segment. People need to understand that coming prior to coming to the Dallas Cowboys, Quinn and Williams was primarily a three technique Primarily a three technique. When you go back and look at all his jets film, he played three technique. Do you know what he played when he was here?

[Patrick No See Walker]

What's that?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

His first game.

[Patrick No See Walker]

What's that?

[Isaiah Stanbach]

One?

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, one technique.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Kenny Clark got moved out to the three technique. For those that don't understand, you start the the count with zero over the center and you move gradually move out from the outside shoulder. You go 1, 2, 3. Okay. Okay. All right. So the, the even numbers are head up on. On offensive lineman. Zero's head up over the center. Two's head up over the guard. Okay. Three would be the outside shade of the guard. So Kenny Clark got moved out to Quinn and Williams normal position. Yep. And Quinn and Williams came to the one technique, meaning that he was lined up in the gap between the center and the guard. So these statistics that my man over here is stating were literally against two people almost every time.

[Chris Beam]

Now let me piggyback off.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Go ahead, sir.

[Chris Beam]

Because you mentioned Kenny Clark. Yes. Let's talk about double teams and how it, how it works. So how many times was Quinn Williams double teamed? 14 times. Okay, so he drew double teams 14 times.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Kenny Clark drew five drop backs or something like that.

[Chris Beam]

30. 28 drop backs. 28. Kenny Clark half the time, 50% rate. 50% rate. Kenny Clark, he had 32 drop backs. He drew a double team 13 times and he had a plus 2% success rate. So your two interior defensive linemen are doing what they're supposed to do and drawing the double teams to free up your edges. But they're also still effective against those double teams.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Didn't say that.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Swear over the last.

[Chris Beam]

You did. You did.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Interesting.

[Chris Beam]

You did. Now let's parlay this to the defensive end spot with those two guys.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

I'm talking Cowboys, right.

[Chris Beam]

With those two guys taking up that. Those types of assignments. You have James Houston who was double teamed fewer than four times. Dante Fowler double teamed zero. Number of times. Donovan is Rocco was double teamed zero. Number of times, zero.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Spanish.

[Chris Beam]

Yes.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Settle.

[Chris Beam]

Jadevion Clowney was double teamed uno. That's what I said once. Your defensive ends now. I know. Yeah, I know. Your defensive ends now are seen 1v ones. So again, to put this in perspective, as far as going up against a an Eagles offensive line that has taken a huge step back.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

It has their tackle and will not.

[Chris Beam]

Have Lane Johnson got you. Just making sure you're seeing across the board effectiveness because it's not simply Cornell Williams, but he is absolutely a problem. But Kenny Clark next to him and then mix in OSA OSA had six pressures on 32 rushes, almost 19. He drew 14 double teams, still got his sack, still had three quarterback hits. Six percent. Plus six percent when double teamed. Plus six percent success rate higher than even Quinn and higher than Kenny Clark. Unbelievable. Now you just need this to translate and it can again against the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line that just has not been world.

[Josh Rodriguez]

So we definitely had to trade for an edge washer, right?

[Patrick No See Walker]

I'm really glad we talked Isaiah into wanting a defensive tackle.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, I just want to raise my hand so that I can have Josh talk.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I mean, we definitely had to trade for an edge rusher, right?

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Those necessary? Yeah, we needed to do that.

[Chris Beam]

That was you doing.

[Josh Rodriguez]

That was the spot.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Why.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Why is this?

[Josh Rodriguez]

You guys suck, man. Both of you.

[Chris Beam]

Go ahead and run.

[Josh Rodriguez]

I'm just kidding.

[Chris Beam]

Go ahead and run the sound. Oh, brother. Go ahead and run it. Oh, geez.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Yeah, I'm glad.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Colin Coward]

Oh, brother.

[Chris Beam]

This guy stinks. Also shouts out to the chat. Y' all got me cracking up. Yes. I spent a few hours studying a guy's get off.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Yes, you did.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Get off.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Time was against two guys.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Against two guys. Against three guys.

[Chris Beam]

Get off with two guys. Get off. Double teams. Yeah.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Getting off the best.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Get off of his. His life.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. Yeah. He.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

He had the best game of his life.

[Chris Beam]

Good thing.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Best performance he's ever had.

[Chris Beam]

It's a good thing he wore the white pants.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Best performance he's ever had. Kyle. Kyle.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I think that's.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

We have one more show this week.

[Chris Beam]

I think.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Yeah, we gotta get. We gotta get to tomorrow.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

One more show this week.

[Patrick No See Walker]

That's it. We're cutting it off. It's time to get home. It's time to keep going. Say it with your chest. Friday.

[Colin Coward]

Tomorrow.

[Patrick No See Walker]

If this wasn't saying it with your chest and I don't know what would be. We appreciate you guys.

[Josh Rodriguez]

Get your popcorn ready.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Watching. Yeah, we've got. Get your popcorn ready.

[Chris Beam]

We're going to wear our.

[Patrick No See Walker]

Our family hoodies tomorrow.

[Isaiah Stanbach]

Tomorrow.

[Patrick No See Walker]

I. It's just Friday. Dude, you look like the F. Oh, for Patrick. No see Walker. For Josh Rodriguez. Isaiah, stand back. I'm Chris Beam. We'll see you tomorrow with more talking Cowboys. I'm doing. Oh, man, that's hilarious. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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