Talkin’ Cowboys: The Rule of Law

Summary

Talkin’ Cowboys: The Rule of Law

Episode Air Date: February 10, 2026
Hosts: Kyle Youmans, Patrik (No C) Walker, Isaiah Stanback, Josh Rodriguez
Location: The Star, Frisco, Texas

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Overview:

This offseason episode dives into Cowboys news after Super Bowl 60, paying tribute to legendary fan Ms. Price, examining lessons Dallas can learn from the Super Bowl-winning Seahawks and Patriots, and breaking down key free agency and roster storylines—including contract talk around George Pickens and internal development needs. The crew brings signature banter, heartfelt moments, and sharp film-room insights.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Super Bowl Aftermath & What a Dallas Parade Would Be Like

• Brief celebration of the Seattle Seahawks winning Super Bowl 60 over the New England Patriots.

• Isaiah gives a vivid, personal recollection of being in a championship parade, emphasizing the energy and family inclusion.

  "Being in the parade was absolutely crazy...the coolest part was the fact that they included the families." – Isaiah, [03:42]

• The hosts fantasize about how massive a Dallas Cowboys parade would be after a 30-year drought, speculating it could require shutting down the tollway from Frisco to Dallas.

2. Tribute to Ms. Price—Legendary Cowboys Fan

• The team pays heartfelt tribute to Ms. Price, an iconic Cowboys fan recently passed away.

  • Josh highlights how integral she was:

    "She was a stranger to nobody. No, she knew everybody. She talked to everybody. She knew everybody by name, too." – Kyle, [05:48]

  • Isaiah notes her unique influence on players:

    "If you hear Ms. Price's voice, you stop and you turn around and you go say hi." – Isaiah, [07:05]

• The group unanimously agrees her sideline location should be memorialized.

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3. Cowboys International Game: News & Rumors

• The Cowboys set to play their first ever franchise game in Brazil—likely Week 1 in Rio de Janeiro.
• Patrick and Kyle predict the NFL will logistically make this the opener, followed by a mini-bye week due to the long trip.

  "It's a 10 plus hour flight...so it would make sense that you would give the teams time to get there..." – Patrick, [10:36]

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4. Offseason Updates: Free Agency & Contracts

• Javonte Williams: Cowboys optimistic about retaining him.

  "There is a growing chance that Javonte Williams could see a new contract from the Cowboys probably before the league year opens in mid March." – Patrick, [11:32]

• Rico Dowdle: Has openly said he'd welcome a return to Dallas, but that’s still speculative.

• George Pickens:

  • Expected to receive the franchise tag ("not news," according to Patrick and the group).

    "So the sun is also expected to rise tomorrow." – Patrick quoting Dave Hellman, [13:58]

  • There is internal strategy to use the tag for leverage/time, with hopes for a long-term extension before training camp.

  • All sides—Jerry Jones, Dak Prescott, CeeDee Lamb—want to keep him; CeeDee willing to rework his deal, doesn't care who earns more.

    "He does not care. CD Lamb, multi time all pro wide receiver...says he doesn't care if George Pickens is making [more]." – Patrick, [17:12]

  • If talks ever broke down (seen as unlikely), best trade value would come before the NFL Draft.

    "No, you shouldn't [worry]. Because that's not the formula for the Cowboys." – Patrick, [13:33]

  • Kyle adds league sources would value Pickens at a second or third-round pick in a trade, but the Cowboys wouldn’t consider moving him unless it’s a first.

    "Don't even talk to me if that's the case." – Kyle, [19:33]

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5. Super Bowl Lessons: Learning from Seattle’s Blueprint

• Seattle’s transformation highlighted as a model:
  • The Seahawks hit on multiple first-round draft picks the last few years—Devin Witherspoon, Jackson Smith-Njigba, Byron Murphy—which turbocharged their turnaround.
  • Success was not about luck, but excellent draft-and-develop result and aggressive player identification.

    "In order to do that, you have to get guys that develop and develop quickly." – Kyle, [34:36]

• Discussion pivots to which current Cowboys need a breakout for Dallas to follow a similar path.

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6. Who Must Step Up for Dallas?

Defense:

• Savon Revel (CB): Patrick identifies him as a critical player who, with a full, healthy offseason, could answer needs at a thinned cornerback room.

  "I'm looking for 17 plus games from Savon Revel as a starter playing at a high level." – Patrick, [36:34]

• Duron Bland: Needs to get back to All-Pro form, regain confidence and mental edge.

  "I think Bland has more than what he has shown. I'm not sure if he believes it." – Isaiah, [39:38]

• Ready Stewart (Safety): Isaiah champions his versatility and physicality in the new system, citing that coaching confidence can unlock player potential.

  "Belief from coaches as a player makes all the difference in the world in the player." – Isaiah, [40:29]

Offense:

• Tyler Guyton (OT): Josh shifts conversation to offense, naming Guyton as the lineman who needs not just availability but a nasty, dominant edge.

  "Give me Tyler Guyton in a big, bad way. That guy needs to step up." – Josh, [44:45]

  • Debate if Guyton's loss of aggression is due to injury worries or a loss of confidence.

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7. Congrats & Respect to Former Cowboys in Super Bowl

• Special shoutout to former Cowboys DeMarcus Lawrence (D-Law) and Adam Dirty, who both earned rings with Seattle.
  • Hosts respect D-Law for his professionalism, avoiding negative comments about Dallas even when baited by the press.

    "He could have said some crazy stuff if he wanted to ... he stayed true respectful through it all. Kudos." – Isaiah, [29:18]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Ms. Price’s Passing:

  "If you hear Ms. Price's voice, you stop and you turn around and you go say hi." – Isaiah, [07:05]

• On George Pickens’ Importance:

  "If you remove George Pickens from that equation, you do not have as good of an offense, simply that." – Josh, [20:15]

• On Seattle’s Player Development:

  "They had an incredible percentage of hitting on first-round picks...this is the same selection the Cowboys have." – Kyle, [34:45]

• On Coaching & Player Development:

  "Belief from coaches as a player makes all the difference in the world in the player." – Isaiah, [40:29]

• Josh on Tyler Guyton:

  "Give me Tyler Guyton in a big, bad way. That guy needs to step up...and remain healthy through the entire season." – Josh, [44:45]

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Segment Timestamps

• [00:28] — Introductions & Super Bowl recaps
• [03:42] — Parade memories and the power of family/fan inclusion
• [04:19] — Mrs. Price tribute segment
• [09:35] — Cowboys’ upcoming international game in Brazil
• [10:27] — NFL scheduling logic for the Brazil opener
• [11:32] — Confidence in retaining Javonte Williams
• [12:04] — Free agency talk: Pickens, Rico Dowdle
• [13:33] — Franchise tag process; Pickens extension negotiations
• [17:12] — CeeDee Lamb’s stance on Pickens’ contract
• [19:16] — Trade value discussion for Pickens
• [20:02] — Importance of keeping offensive weapons
• [26:21] — Honoring former Cowboys, D-Law’s professionalism
• [34:36] — How Seattle hit on the draft (& implications for Dallas)
• [36:34] — Savon Revel’s critical offseason
• [39:38] — Duron Bland’s growth potential
• [40:29] — Ready Stewart as scheme-fit safety
• [44:45] — Josh calls out Tyler Guyton for “first round or bust” step-up

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Tone & Style

• Authentic locker room banter and camaraderie
• Respectful, passionate, and candid, especially about legacy, loyalty, and the business of football
• Mix of fan perspective and deep technical football analysis

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Summary for the Uninitiated

This episode is a must-listen for Cowboys Nation—whether for the poignant Ms. Price tribute, inside access to front office thinking on George Pickens and roster priorities, or the thoughtful case studies comparing Dallas to the league’s best. There are no sugarcoated takes: the panel demands more from the team’s young stars and calls out the specific steps required for a title run. All delivered in the unique and lively barbershop-meets-film-room style Talkin' Cowboys is known for.

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Transcript

[A]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys football Club. This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys world headquarters at the Star in Frisco.

[B]

CD Lamb. It's on. Jake Ferguson. Touchdown. Keeps it and he bangs it in for the touchdown.

[A]

And now your hosts, Isaiah Stanbach, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. It's an off season edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle coffee company live from the Star in Frisco, Texas in the SWBC studio. We've got the whole cast and crew ready for you to rock today with Patrick no see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stamback with Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman. So glad you're with us. We are going to hit plenty of the storylines and reaction off the west coast as Super Bowl 60 is now in the book and we are fully into the off season.

[C]

Oh, heck yeah, we're in it.

[A]

We can start talking.

[B]

Isaiah, who won the Super Bowl?

[C]

Oh, you know, there's some team out of Seattle.

[A]

Congrats to your city.

[B]

It's all good, y'.

[D]

All.

[A]

Are you going to go to the parade?

[C]

No. Everybody in my. In my friend chat, they're all going.

[A]

They're all going.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When is it? Is it today or tomorrow?

[C]

I don't know. I know my brother. If we're everybody, my brother's like, I'm flying out, bro. I'm like, go have fun.

[A]

Go get after it.

[C]

I've been blessed to be in a parade.

[B]

Witherspoon.

[C]

I can tell you, being in a parade saying though being in the parade was absolutely crazy.

[A]

Oh, do you remember most of that?

[C]

Oh, I remember all of it.

[A]

Okay, that's good.

[C]

I'm hoping that it's on my hard drive still because I had all my old video footage from it. Sloppy disk, bro. Looking up like, especially like in New York, obviously. Sure, it was insane. The building, the skyscrapers just paper just flying out. You're like, how are these people even, like looking out the window that high up? And it's just like, it looked like confetti, obviously, but people just throwing stuff out, ripped up papers, fans everywhere, millions of people. It was insane.

[D]

And then someday, Kyle.

[B]

Yeah, hopefully I was gonna say real nice to see some of that here in the metroplex.

[A]

They would have to shut down. I mean, just think about it. Just. I know fans are like, I don't want to think about it. It's been 30 years. I get it. I get it. But because of that weight and because of the way that the star and the brand and everything has grown to what it is now. Could you imagine them having. They would have to shut down the tollway and just use the tollway to go from Frisco to Dallas, then to Arlington, and then they would fill the state. I mean, it would be.

[C]

What would be that?

[A]

Unreal.

[C]

Yeah. How would you.

[A]

The route would be.

[C]

The route.

[D]

The root would be the longest.

[B]

That's actually perfect. You shut down dnt, you might have to shut down dnt. And you just let that be from Frisco all the way down and then maybe, you know, 35 down.

[C]

Like, nobody wants to hear about the other team, but the other team that I was on when we won, we did the parade, right? So we did the parade route, which was absolutely insane. After we finished the parade route, we actually stopped at the. I don't know what. It's city hall or something like that. It was something like that. Anyways, we're down downtown. We get the key to the city. So we're sitting down, we're chilling. Snipers are everywhere, bro. We're looking like, is that a freaking person up there? Like, yeah, that's a sniper, bro. So we do the thing.

[A]

We.

[C]

We get the key to the city, right? After we get the key to the city, we get back on the buses, right? So now we're not outside the buses. We're in the buses and we drive to the stadium. When we get to the stadium, we go into the stadium, we come out the tunnel, fog machines, all that kind of stuff. And freaking naughty by nature is playing.

[B]

Hey.

[A]

Oh, that's cool, bro.

[C]

And the stadium is lit. It's just lit, packed. People have been out there or. Oh, bro. It was turn. It was so cr. Like, it's like. It felt like a movie. Like, the whole day felt like a movie. But the cool thing, the best part was the fact that they included the families. That's cool. So they had a bus for, like, the wives. You know what I'm saying? They had the bus for the wives and the kids, and they got a chance to experience as well. So, like, that was, for me, the coolest part, because it's like, it's one thing for you to experience it, but it's another thing for them at that time for them to include your families to be a part of it. So in the future, you know, Cowboys nation, hopefully when that day occurs, hopefully the organization will include the families as well.

[D]

Yeah, well, that day will feel a little emptier now, guys. I know, I know, because we lost one Mrs. Price Yes.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Sucks, man.

[D]

Or.

[A]

I'm glad you brought that up.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I really did want to do a quick shout out to her, because if you've been to a Dallas Cowboys game, there is no doubt about it. You have seen her, you've heard her, you've heard her 100%.

[A]

You better turn around, Jerry.

[D]

We got a little tribute to. To Ms. Price Beam if you want to hit it real quick. I think we're gonna keep that as part of. Get your popcorn ready.

[A]

Nice.

[D]

At Infinite, you know what I mean? Like, I, I, as a fan, to see a fan that committed basically my whole time being a fan, she's been a fan forever, right? But seeing her at every game, always being a staple of seeing the Dallas Cowboys in person, I mean, yeah, just a huge loss and shouts to her and. Yeah, that's really, really sad.

[B]

She's just the sweetest thing. Just if you've ever had the pleasure of coming across Ms. Price, whether it been at the stadium or when she travels to Oxnard and we see her at training camp, she. You just couldn't meet a bigger hearted. Just. Sweetie. She was just the sweetest thing.

[C]

Just mama.

[B]

She's just mama. Now, of course, when, you know, during the practices and when the games kick off, you know, she gets.

[A]

She gets fierce.

[B]

She gets in that moment. But between plays, she's just, o. Oh, sweetheart, how you doing? Just so wrist well, queen.

[A]

She. She was a stranger to nobody. No, she knew everybody. She talked to everybody. She knew everybody by name, too.

[D]

Every player by name.

[A]

On the sideline. Not even. Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm talking everyone. Security guards, camera operators, reporters, like, all of it. She knew everyone. I walk up there and I'm not on the sideline for every game. I'm in the studio with Isaiah and we do the sideline and stuff for the preseason. She knew my name every single time from, like, the first time I was on the sideline. It was like, Ms. Price knows my name. I. I was starstruck by her knowing who I was at that point. And that just encompasses what she meant to this organization, what she meant as a fan. True fan of the year. We talk about the Captain Morgan fan of the year. She could have won it every single year.

[D]

Oh, yeah. It would have been redundant if she'd won it every single year, but she was well deserved.

[C]

I could tell you guys this, and this is no disrespect to any other fans out there. Hopefully it's not perceived as disrespectful when you're coming out to the field for practice, especially like training camp, right? You hear you. You hear all the fans, right? So. But you have a job to go do, right? So you hear the people yelling. You can't stop for everybody, Right. You still got to go work. I can tell you personally, all that stuff, it's. You're. You're grateful for it, but it's noise, right? That you. That you. That is part of the atmosphere. You're going out to go do your practice. If you hear Mrs. Price's. Ms. Price's voice.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You stop and you turn around and you go say hi. Yep. It's not a. Not that we. That we ignore. Right. But it just becomes a part of the atmosphere when you hear Ms. Price's voice, you stop, you figure out where.

[B]

The heck she's at.

[C]

You go give her a hug, you give her some love, and then you go on about your business like that. And I can tell you guys, I don't have any. I would have. Again, miss. Probably on my hard drive, I'm pretty sure I have a picture of her. But, like, guys like Brady James and others that I've seen that have already posted pictures today, like, that's what she means and meant to everybody, was a part of his organization, at least for the players. I can't speak for everybody else, but from the player standpoint, we appreciate all fans, and she was the representation of all the fans that we feel. So believe.

[B]

There it is.

[A]

She was the best. And. And condolences to her family, condolences to everybody that was impacted by her. We're going to Ms. Ms. Price, and she is. I hope they save that spot. She stood in the same spot of the stadium right by the tunnel, right up in the front of the field suite. I hope they saved that spot for you.

[D]

That belongs to her.

[A]

Yeah. Let's rope it off. Let's put it there. They're doing construction on the stadium in that area right now for the World cup, and then they're going to tear it back down after the World Cup's over anyways. When they tear it down, just block that spot off. That is. That is Mrs. Price's spot forever. And it needs to stay that for. For the rest of.

[C]

She had the voice where it's like, you're almost in trouble.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm in trouble. Like, you outside playing and, you know, the, like, street lights came.

[D]

I'm going.

[C]

Stay out there a little bit long. I gotta go.

[A]

I gotta go.

[C]

Oh, the best.

[A]

The best. All Right. Super bowl was last or the two day, two nights ago. I almost said last night, but yeah, we had a day in between there. We're going to talk about some of the, the, the ways that we can learn from this Super Bowl. We tend to do that every year, but this year I feel like there are some specific instances where the Cowboys could learn from how the Seahawks and the Patriots both got to the super bowl and how the Seahawks ultimately won the Super Bowl. We'll talk about that in the second segment, but we've got some news and notes because there were a lot of different storylines and impact pieces over the last week that we never got the chance to.

[D]

Season is over, right?

[B]

Never over. Well, first of all, everybody's zero and zero right now, so run it back.

[A]

There's only one defending champion.

[B]

Run it back. There were 31 failures, so there it is. So first and foremost, let's just talk about how the Cowboys will have their first international game played in years.

[D]

And it will mark Brazil.

[B]

Yeah. It will mark the first time in franchise history the Cowboys will take the field. Field for a football game in Rio de Janeiro.

[C]

Look how excited he is. Look how excited he is. He gets to go on the charter.

[A]

Can we take talking Cowboys on the road, Derek, please, please, someone give him.

[C]

The son of a sea biscuit.

[B]

It's going to be enjoyable.

[C]

I'm implying I'm applying to be a writer for the Cowboys this year.

[B]

So, yes, I need to focus and kind of lock in.

[D]

Get your passport ready.

[B]

I need to get my Portuguese ready. That's what I need to do. So that's just massive news in and of itself. Obviously, the NFL schedule has yet to be released. It will be released in May, but for all intents and purposes, it's safe to assume that this will probably be week one.

[A]

That's what it has been. The, the, the other game, which was Sao Paulo, right? Yeah. Sao Paulo was always week one. So it might be just.

[B]

Logistically, it has to be. It makes sense. I mean, it's a 10 hour plus 10 plus hour flight in both, so it would make sense that you would give the teams that are having this game time to get there without a. A game preceding it. But then it has to go into a mini bye week. You would think because you don't want to have a. Another game six days after you took an international trip to Brazil. Ten hour flight, all of that stuff. So Cowboys and Brazil, that's pretty big news. So a lot of stuff came out of the, the super bowl week as far as some, you know, free agency talk. You know, George Pickens, obviously he's the headliner. Javante Williams, he's another one of the headliners. It feels more and more like Javante Williams. And this, let me, let me say this the right way because free agency is a two way street. So doesn't entirely matter how confident one side of the negotiation is because the other side has to agree. But I will say that as we have the conversation, the Cowboys are extremely confident that they're going to retain Javante Williams. Those talks have already begun. We believe in Javante. Those talks have already begun. So there is a growing chance. Yeah, there is a growing chance that Javante Williams could see a new contract from the Cowboys probably before the league year opens in mid March. That is their goal. Because he is not the one that's in line for the franchise tag. That would be one George Pickens.

[C]

Wasn't there somebody else who used to play here who left the table up and said they would be willing to come?

[B]

That would be Rico. That would be Rico. Doubt. Rico Dowdle recently said from super bowl week, from Pro bowl week actually that he would be open to returning to Dallas, which makes for an interesting discussion because, you know, and we'll get.

[D]

Buckle up Carolina.

[B]

Put a pin in it because this is. That's a fun discussion. I want to talk. See what you did, but not right now. But he did say it. That being said, George Pickens is in line for a potential franchise tag. The Cowboys have not broached talks with his agent quite yet.

[D]

Who's his agent?

[C]

You know, great relationship with him.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

David Mogaletta, you know, his age, you know, also represented. Who?

[D]

Michael Barnes.

[B]

Oh, that's right.

[D]

I believe Michael, who is not salty at all, right.

[A]

No, no, his podcast, he's in great spirits. Totally cool.

[D]

Yeah, he's a total guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Totally not upset.

[B]

Well, I would tell you that this time around there will be no negotiating with the player. George Pickens has said time and time and time and time again he will leave that to his agent. Mugaletta. Those conversations, as we insiders know, typically for the Cowboys, those ramp up at the NFL combine. So for those wondering or right before.

[A]

So like next week there's going to be preliminary conversations to possibly set up actual in person conversations. And then it murmurs, if you will.

[C]

That's when Kyle.

[B]

Sure.

[C]

His contract talks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Every year they try and bring me back every year.

[B]

So I know a lot of people are wondering, well, you know, no, see and Kyle and Isaiah and Josh if they're not having conversations right now. Should we be worried? No. No, you shouldn't. Because that's not the formula for the Cowboys. What I will say is, and I've said this before, I know that it was recently put out there that the Cowboys are expected to franchise tag George Pickens. Shouts out to our guy, Dave Hellman, because that was a hilarious response. Yeah. So the sun is also expected to rise tomorrow.

[A]

Okay, that was the report. And I thought the exact same thing.

[B]

I was like, what do we.

[A]

Because I think. I believe multiple insiders needed a headline.

[B]

Before the Super Bowl.

[A]

They're expected to tag George Pickens. Yeah, I'm expected to get to work in the morning. Like, yeah, it's gonna happen.

[B]

We've said this time and again on times a difference. And I'm holding firm to my belief of this. I believe that they will get some type of traction before and through the combine. Will a deal get done? Too many moving factors. I don't know that a deal gets done before the franchise tag deadline ends. It's February 17th to March 3rd. They cannot tag him before the 17th. They have to tag him by the 3rd of March if they're going to do it. I believe he does get the tag. I've said this time and time again, so that would be no surprise to me. But it's a placeholder. It's to buy time. It's to keep the other 31 teams from interfering, which gives the Cowboys carte blanche to have those conversations with him all the way through mid July, which is the deadline to get a deal done entirely.

[D]

That's the one thing is expect the tag. Expect that and hope that extension.

[B]

Extension before training camp.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

That's what you're looking at.

[A]

Guys, I did read a report. So this is not coming from Kyle. There are nightmare scenarios out there where he is tagged but refuses to play. I don't know if that's the case. From his party and from his words during Pro bowl week, it doesn't seem like that's a possibility. Seems like, yes, he doesn't want to play on the tag, but I don't think there's a holdout or something like that that could possibly be a factor. But there were reports that if there was any sort of push back or upset nature with this tag that the Cowboys would be open to trading George Pickens. That would be the second conversation in the nightmare scenario. Would you ever see something like that happening with George Pickens? Specifically?

[B]

No. And the only. The only scenario I could see it happening would be a Complete collapse of the negotiations. And when I say collapse, I mean ugly.

[A]

Ugly like Micah.

[B]

Like Micah Parsons and before the NFL draft. Because I think that the Cowboys, for as much as Jerry talked about, oh well, it didn't matter if we did Micah's trade now in September or. He knows better than that. Right? He knows it did. So I think that there's a lesson to be learned there in that if you're going to get out of this situation by trading you, you get the most possible. And what time of year do you tend to get the most possible?

[A]

Draft time.

[B]

Right. Draft time, yeah. So when you look at the timeline, I mean we're having this conversation in on February 10, the draft is in April, negotiations haven't started yet and they'll start here in a week or two. Right. Based on the relationship between the two parties. And you hear Jerry Jones basically saying, which is rare, salary cap's not going to impact this at all. Don't talk to me about the salary cap. When it comes to George Pickens, I want him here. I want him for the rest of my life. He didn't say that, but that it's. It felt that way. And George Pickens wants to be here. Dak Prescott wants George Pickens to be here. CD Lamb.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Let's kill these narratives right now. CD Lamb said he'd be willing to rework, not restructure because that's a team thing.

[A]

Different thing.

[B]

Different thing. He'd be be willing to rework his contract to keep George Pickens here and does not care if George Pickens makes more money in Dallas.

[C]

Say that one more time.

[B]

He does not care. He. CD Lamb, multi time all pro wide receiver record sitter, says he doesn't care if George Pickins is making. He wants them to stay together in Dallas.

[D]

Patrick L.C. walker. I like those words.

[B]

Everybody is on board on all sides now it's just a matter of getting the numbers right.

[A]

Do we believe CD when he says that?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I don't have any reason not to believe CD Lamb.

[B]

Look at the relationship between those two guys from minute one throughout the entirety of the sea.

[C]

Also, aside from that, CD Lamb, like every other person of. Of high caliber in this league understands that the next man is most likely going to get more. Yep. It's just how it goes.

[A]

He was once the next next in line himself.

[C]

Do I think that he would feel some type of way internally?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Do I think that he will let that show? No. He also, he understands the business, the nature of this business. The next man up if you perform well, is should be paid at least what you're getting paid, if not more. Yeah. It's just how it goes.

[A]

It does.

[C]

It's not an indictment on how the organization feels about you. The market is the market is the market.

[D]

CD Lamb said it when George Pickens walked through the door. It's not about having one A, one B. We got two ones.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

That's what you got to pay for.

[A]

And that's what happened this year.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And George Pickens bet on himself or not really bet on himself. It was the situation he was put in. But he was put in a situation when Dallas traded for him from Pittsburgh. It was put up or shut up. That's what it ultimately ended up being for George Pickens because he had one shot on the last year of his rookie deal to prove to the rest of the league, 31 other teams and the Cowboys, that you have a capable number one wide receiver, whether that's in Dallas or elsewhere. And he did. He did it. He kept in line. He molded with the offense. He became the most significant weapon that Dallas had in 2025. So with that being said, he's earned the opportunity for that contract. Does the rest of the league think so? I talked to a couple people that are well connected. They said specifically from Kyle Yeomans, this one is coming.

[B]

It's coming from Kyle.

[A]

They. The league doesn't see him from a trade value standpoint. So if Dallas were to want to trade George Pickens, what would you need for that to happen? Just you guys specifically a one. You would need a one, right?

[B]

One. That's. That's the conversation.

[A]

The highest conversation that I heard from other people around the league was a second or a third. Nah, I'm not interested. Don't even talk to me if that's the case.

[D]

His value is a one right now.

[A]

Way more as a one right now on your team with CD Lamb than anything. Get the contract done. I think it's going to get done, and it's different. This is for those that are comparing it to the Micah situation. This is not the Micah situation. I know it's the same agent. I know there's a lot of conversation there. This is not the same conversation and.

[D]

Everything that we've talked about, about rebuilding the defense and rebuilding the team for next year to hopefully get into the playoffs and get further into the playoffs and actually could be competing for a championship. One of those things is like, let's improve on what the offense is this year.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

If you remove George Pickens from that equation, you do not have as good of an offense, simply that you don't have the same weapons that you have. And George Pickens definitely contributed a large part to the growth of the offense this season because it wasn't just CD Lamb.

[B]

You get worse. And there's no bigger fan of Ryan Flournoy than me. And at the same time, it's also true that as we have this conversation, Ryan Flournoy and George Pickens are not, not not the same players. So to your point, if George Pickens is not on this roster, not to say the offense suddenly won't be good, but it takes a step back and a pretty sizable one, especially when you look at from an insurance standpoint, you lost CD Line for several games to injury last year. That was as Ryan Floynois was developing and it was George Pickens who stepped up in that role. Without George Pickens, it's Ryan Flanoy being asked to develop faster. And Then who's your 2 if CD Lamb is not on the field to the injury isn't in the building, it would have been Jalen Tolbert.

[D]

And the only reason I could the only reason I'd consider this is if they move the the number of picks to like five years in advance and we can get all I don't like that. All sorts of good with that. I'm all sorts of players, everything. Just give me a whole 11.

[A]

It's gonna look like the NBA trade deadline is what it'll end up looking like. I'm good. Keep it to what it is. All right. When we come back, Seattle wins the Super Bowl 29:13 over the new England Patriots. What did we learn and what can cowboys improve upon? Part of it is what Josh just talked about. How did Seattle get to that point and do the same thing, but just on the opposite side of the football? When we return with more talking cowboys right after this.

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[B]

What?

[D]

Let's go, Kyle Yeomans.

[A]

I've got some spirit of 76.

[D]

That's the Kyle flavor.

[A]

This is the one you got me. So it's only fitting that they got it. And I have been drinking it, by the way. Tremendous.

[G]

Oh, it's great.

[A]

Very good.

[D]

Tastes like American.

[A]

It's what I make at home in the morning.

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No, just black.

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No, just this one.

[B]

Sorry.

[D]

That's yours.

[A]

You're. You're a daily coffee drinker.

[D]

Absolutely.

[A]

Okay, so I'm gonna get this. Even though you bought it for me once before you get a full bag back. So there's that. I've got also from our friends. Black rifle coffee. That's fire, dude. And the yeti. It's got the cowboy star on one side. It's got the black rifle coffee symbol on the other side. I'm gonna give this to the two not so much coffee drinkers. I've got another one coming.

[B]

I did ask them, hey, yo, this is.

[A]

They said that there was another one on its way, so I got to go.

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This is like 12 ounces.

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It's pretty privilege at its best.

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This got to be like 12 ounces, huh? This is sizable. Sizable cup here.

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This is fire.

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You.

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Oh.

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Which was great.

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It was awesome.

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Amazing. All right.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Let's talk about the Super Bowl a little bit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, brother. This guy stinks.

[B]

I mean, I think it's fire.

[A]

It's pretty sweet. I'm sorry, Josh.

[B]

Are you. Are you commandeering by yeti?

[D]

Yeah. When you put coffee in that buddy.

[A]

I promise you'll get one soon enough.

[D]

Hot chalky time.

[B]

Hot chalky.

[A]

It'll be good at the desk.

[D]

My nickname in high school.

[A]

There you go. All right. Seattle wins 2913 over New England. It was a dominant performance.

[D]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

Seahawks just took care of business. They go through the gauntlet in the nfc. They get it done. All predicated off of defense.

[C]

Can we say something real quick?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Congratulations to former Cowboys.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Talk about it.

[C]

D. Law and Adam dirty. Yep.

[D]

Yep.

[C]

Seriously, congratulations. Like, I know this is die hard cowboy. You know, obviously it is what it is, but respect to those that are willing to move on. Right. Grateful for where you've been.

[B]

It's.

[C]

It's not easy to go reinvent yourself. It's not easy to step out of your comfort zone and then go have success. So congratulations to those guys for getting to where they got and doing what they did. And thank you for your time in Dallas.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I put a tweet out there saying the same thing.

[B]

Why would you tweet that?

[A]

Yeah, you gave me the funny backup that people didn't understand either, but those were two of the guys that I enjoyed covering the most while they were here because they're both genuine human beings. First off, I even knew D Law from when I was an intern back in 2016, in the early years of him working up and my not even on air side of things. And he was always very generous with his time. He was always very generous with the media. He was always one of those guys. And then Ad and Dirty was just salt of the earth, grinded out, sort of just smart football, but even better person sort of guys. And so I am genuinely happy for them. I really am. And seeing the pictures of Ad and Dirty with the. What's the Union Jack or not the Union Jack. What is the British flag?

[C]

Whatever.

[A]

Great Britain's flag, There's a name for it. He had it draped over himself and with the Lombardi Trophy, it made me emotional for him. So I'm happy for his journey and what he got to this point. So happy.

[C]

Congratulations in respect to D Law about how he's handled these interviews. Like, I feel like he's been super respectful, crazy, professional. Like, professional like. Like, literally, like, this is like how you. How you do it. This is how you operate. Yeah, he went about this. He could have said some crazy stuff if he wanted to. Some of the questions he was being asked, it would last.

[D]

I mean, arguably, they were throwing. He rubbed people the wrong way when he left Dallas.

[C]

Absolutely. When he made the statement that he doesn't feel as if he's going to win a Super bowl here in Dallas, and he said, that's why I'm going to Seattle. That was his decision.

[D]

And he called the shot.

[C]

And he called his shot. It wasn't. It wasn't a. Hey, Dallas is never going to win one. He said, I'm not going to win one in Dallas. So that's how he felt. He's in charge of his career, so if you took that personally, that's on you. Yeah, he made a personal decision for him and it panned out. He had a vision for himself. He executed that vision and it worked. Kudos to him. And in the process, not one time did he defile the freaking Cowboys.

[A]

No.

[C]

And he had plenty of opportunities to do so. Even after he won this ruble, they asked him about that. That he said, that's. That's behind me. Yeah, that's behind.

[B]

Like, he didn't.

[D]

It's disrespectful, honestly, to, like, ask him about the Cowboys after he just won.

[B]

No, they were just baiting.

[D]

I know, I know, I know they are.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. He was a professional through it all. So leading up to the super bowl, he got asked a thousand times about it, and especially specifically about that particular statement that he made in reference to not winning a Super bowl here in Dallas and not going to. And then even after he won the super bowl, one of the first questions they ask him is about Dallas, us. And he stayed true respectful through it all. So like, kudos. That's not easy. It's not freaking easy in this world where there's freaking clickbait and everybody's trying to get you to drop a one liner. So like respect, all respect.

[D]

And also just consider this and have this sort of outlook on things. Whenever he said that, whenever he said, I'm not going to win a super. Just think about how much the team has changed since that statement. I mean, and the strides that this team has made. Granted, they didn't have a winning season necessarily, but I mean this team is a completely different look from the, from the state. Whenever he felt like he had to leave and go compete for a Super bowl, it is night and day different.

[C]

One of the people that he had personal, personal and public beef with. Right. To our knowledge at this point was Micah. Right. They had a tip. Neither play for the Cowboys, neither play for them anymore.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Sorry. So whatever dynamic was going on in that locker room may have very well been true at that point.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Right to that made it was enough of a stir where the D Law at that time in this organization felt as if this is not the vision for me.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So he left, he removed himself and then Micah got removed.

[A]

So and others after that too.

[D]

You know, Mike is doing a podcast from the super bowl that's point to the lost point.

[B]

But you know, in addition to all of the things that you guys are saying about D Law, what I respect respect the most is the fact that for so often when he was here, especially over I say the past two or three last seasons that he was here, there was a. A pocket of the fan base. Not many, but there was a pocket of the fan base that used the word washed. Oh, he's washed. Get him out of here. Get him out of here. Not only did he go and stand on business and get his super bowl in the first year outside of the organization. He was a key contributor throughout. Yeah, he was so great.

[C]

No one in a leader.

[B]

Yeah, in a leader. No one in that pocket who of Cowboys fans that say, oh, D Law is watched. Get him out of here year. No one can look at him and say, well, did you even play, bro?

[C]

Yeah, he wasn't a rotational guy.

[B]

Yeah, he absolutely.

[A]

Was he the best player on the defense? No. But was he?

[B]

The word that was used to describe him was perfect in the Super Bowl. Force multiplier. That was exactly what I was the entirety of the season and in the super bowl as well, up to and through the Super Bowl. So he was a key contributor. He was a starter. He was a leader in that locker room from day one. So I say all that to say this is not a guy who went and rode someone's coattails to finally getting the ring right. He didn't chase the ring.

[C]

He took a bet on himself.

[B]

Take them to the ring.

[C]

He took a bet on himself.

[B]

Yeah, he'll take him to the ring.

[A]

I, I was one of the people that, when he had made that statement, initially I chuckled at it, I scoffed at it because you're joining a team with a losing record and no real intention of being a Super bowl contender. You didn't see the vision.

[C]

You didn't see division.

[A]

I didn't see it. Nobody saw it. He did. And he's a competitor, so you expect him to say stuff like that. And so when I scoffed at it, you scoff at it as a competitor yourself, as somebody that's around this team and saying, yeah, we're gonna still push and try and do what we're gonna do and whatever it ends up being. But you never really know until you're in that moment. Like D Law did just what he believed in himself and what he was betting on in himself.

[C]

You're natural.

[A]

It's impressive.

[C]

Your natural instinct is to think that it's spite.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was never that.

[C]

It was never that.

[B]

No.

[A]

So then you can sign it. You could see that in the reactions that he had on Social for sure. With. With other former Cowboy employee or not employees, but former Cowboys players that are no longer with the team anymore. The reaction and then the co reaction and the back and forth that you saw on Social from that moment, it showed up in the. In the long run, didn't it? And I think if you're a Cowboys fan, it's hard for me to say that that was all in spite to Dallas. It was mostly in spite to the situation which has at that time shifted from that point. Yeah. So that brings me to my next question of how did Seattle get there? They had incredible, not, I wouldn't even say luck, but they had an incredible percentage of hitting on first round picks. And just for those that watch the draft show as well, we're going to talk about This a little bit today on the draft show too. But think about two years ago, the 2023 NFL Draft, I guess technically three years ago, they had two first round picks. They had a selection at number five, top five picks. Devin Witherspoon, who was the key contributor of that defense and a legitimate force in the secondary. And their second pick was at pick number 20. Happens to be the same selection the Cowboys have Jackson, Smith and Jigba. You heard that name a couple times through the playoff.

[D]

I didn't hear that.

[A]

Offensive Player of the Year.

[D]

Maybe I didn't quite hear it on NFL Honors Night, but yeah, didn't hear.

[A]

That name specifically from Drew Ski, but there were some, there were some times he was mentioned quite often and there's a good reason for that. But then the next year they hit on Byron Murphy. The next year after that, 2025, they get gray Zabel, who didn't play a ton, but he played a little bit back and forth. But he was a rookie. So my point being is Dallas has always been a draft and develop team. But in order to do that, you have to get guys that develop and develop quickly. Who you need to see Dallas take a step forward without even talking about revamping the defense this off season without even having that conversation because everybody knows that's the case.

[C]

Guys who are on this current roster.

[A]

Who are on this current roster, that you need to take a huge step forward because that's what Jackson, Smith and Jigba did. Devin Witherspoon was already NFL ready, but he took steps and strides as well. Who do you need to see it from in order for Dallas to get where Seattle ended up getting?

[B]

You know what, all the names that you said, don't forget Witherspoon. Right. And in thinking of Witherspoon or 2023.

[C]

First round had a tremendous impact on me.

[A]

Top five pick.

[B]

Yep, I'm going to. Although this person I'm saying about to say is not a first round pick. Savone Revel, the Cowboys. When you look at what the Cowboys are, cornerback wise man, Dire Straits isn't even the word. I mean, it's worse than Dire Straits as we talk ahead of free agency and ahead of the next draft. And to be fair to Safone Rebel, because we have to be fair here, he was coming off of a torn acl. He did not have a full off season of actual training camp or training camp at all because he was on, you know, the PUP list and whatnot. So. Or NFI list for him. But. But this is Going to be the first full off season healthy. He. He gets to develop in a first healthy off season under Christian Parker and. And Derek Ansley and Ryan Smith. And now the Cowboys have hired Robert Muschamp, nephew of Will Muschamp. Can I say it? Can I say it?

[D]

No. Yeah, go ahead.

[B]

Go Dogs as assistant secondary coach.

[A]

So coaches for Texas now who Will?

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, Will. Yeah. But before he got there, where was.

[A]

He was at Georgia.

[B]

Who gave him the Nettie. Okay, so there's that. But when you talk about how the cow are structuring their defensive coaching staff from the top. Christian Parker moving downward is highly focused, highly focused on improving the secondary. I'm looking at the development. Isaiah, you talked about it a lot last year. The position coaches are critical in developing. The Cowboys have suffered in not developing certain young guys in certain positions. I want to see Savone Revel take a huge stride. Does that huge stride mean for me be a Pro bowl stride? I would love to see it.

[A]

That'd be great.

[B]

That's not what I'm looking for, though. I'm looking for. I'm looking for defensive player of the year. I'm looking for 17 plus games from Savone Revel as a starter playing at a. A high level. Define high level. I'm not saying he can go Pro Bowl. I'm not saying he can't. But if you give me him playing at a high level, 17 plus games which chose me goes to his availability in a situation where you don't know what the Ron Bland's durability looks like with his foot. It's the post Diggs era. I like Ready? Stewart Keelan, Carson still needs developing development. You got to solve this cornerback position and you might solve it in the draft.

[A]

But why are you grumbling from Savone? Why are you grumbling?

[C]

State that. I hope and pray that Revel gets healthy. He gets back to what he was in college. An actual offspring season, an actual offseason. With that said, I. I have never been. Science is science.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I personally am not a big believer that cornerbacks can return to what they were after. Tornios.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Why that position?

[C]

Specifically the mechanics of the position.

[A]

Okay. Elaborate.

[C]

The backpedaling, the contortion on the knee, the reaction. Nary as a receiver, tight end, whatever offensive player, it's easier because you're. You are initiating the movements, right? You're predicting those movements.

[A]

You are.

[C]

You're not reacting. Your body's response.

[D]

You already know what the play is.

[A]

You know.

[C]

Yeah. Your body's reactionary mechanism is completely different than the initiation.

[B]

Right.

[C]

If that. Hopefully that makes sense to people. I just not a big believer.

[B]

I hope.

[C]

I really do. I. I hope that from somebody who's had a thousand injuries, I really hope that he gets back to what he was.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It sometimes is a dragon that you just. That you don't catch at that position group. So in terms of what I believe. Who I believe on this roster is capable of stepping up, it's two guys. I think that Duron Bland needs to get back to who he was. He has a ceiling that he has touched before. He's touched the ceiling tile, but he's not. He's not close to that ceiling tile right now. He has to get back to that. So get back up on the ladder, get close to the ceiling tower and hopefully pop it up and pop it open and see that you still have more to go. I'm not sure where he's at in his mental space right now to believe that he's. That he has more than what he's already attained. That's my number one. So I think Bland has more than what he has shown. I'm not sure if he believes it. Second person that I think could be a tremendous impact on this entire defense without having to go acquire somebody is Ready Stewart. Yeah. I think Ready Stewart showed some stuff. Is safety. The versatile safety. Yeah. That. That you're going to be probably looking for. They don't see him as a safety. And I hope the previous.

[B]

Previous.

[C]

The previous regime did not see him as a safety. When I watched the Seattle Seahawks and I see their defense and I see how. How versatile they are in the different offerings. Imam worry. I'm not saying Ready Stewart's him, but I'm saying that he has that versatility. He doesn't have the size, but he has the versatility in the physicality.

[D]

Big talent time.

[C]

Somebody who can go play safety and come down and play nickel. I think if you train him at that and you instill in him a sense of confidence from that meeting room, from the coaches to say you're our guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Belief from coaches as a player makes all the difference in the world in the player.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I repeat, when you have a coach that believes in you and instills in you the faith. Faith that you are more than what you've shown and we're going to stay committed to you, you will be surprised at what you get. And I know people are like, you're tripping. Ready Stewart was just a guy that got pulled in.

[B]

I I see it and I hope.

[C]

That they see it too. So I think that he's somebody that you can plug in there as a, as a strong safety that can come down and play nickel when you want to go when you want to go dimensional. He's a guy that you can keep in the game. Bring him down and cover your guys.

[A]

I want to hear Josh's answer. We got to take a break. When we come back, we'll wrap things up on Talking Cowboys right after this.

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[D]

Absolutely.

[A]

But we're, we're being specific here. Who are some of the names that you want to take a step?

[D]

Well, I mean, I know we're talking about defense, but I need to pivot. Pivot a little bit. Because there's one particular offensive player that you've invested a lot in. First round pick that absolutely needs to step up in a big way because we're at a point of diminishing returns here. We can't be picking another offensive lineman. Okay. So give me Tyler Guyton in a big, bad way. That guy needs to step up. And not only that, but remain healthy through the entire season. Please get through a whole season, but get some of that dirty back. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's, I'm. I lost confidence in him because I think he lost confidence in himself over the last. I don't think there was that, like grit there that you saw in his first training camp. His first training camp camp. I think it diminished a bit. I think he says a lot of the right things. I think he's a good. He's a man of good character.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

But to me, be a little nasty.

[A]

Is it. Is that just a byproduct of trying to stay healthy and he's. He's limiting himself to try and get through it? Is that part that would.

[D]

That would be a disappointment. Honestly. That really would, I hope. Because you need to leave it all out.

[A]

I agree.

[F]

You.

[D]

You absolutely need to. And I think with as much as the Cowboys have invested in the offensive line, especially the first round picks, early picks, Cooper Bibi notwithstanding, a third round pick.

[B]

Right.

[D]

But if that comes to pass, where next year you are kind of like iffy about the offensive line yet again, and he's kind of in and out. Like, it's just. That would just be a huge disappointment. I think you could even retain Terrence Steele this year.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

If you have a huge step from, from Tyler Guy, the.

[A]

My question then turns to. And I'm, I'm curious on what Isaiah has to say here, but when it comes to. To Guyton specifically, he right now is. His concern is around his availability. But at one point does he become damaged goods in your eyes and on paper? Because at some point it's just the path of no return.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And at some point you can't trust him to be the left tackle of the future.

[C]

Yeah, I was, I was dim and diminished goods, too. I had a ton of injuries and they got to the point where they couldn't trust the fact that I was going to be available. Right. So that's a big portion of it. I don't. Obviously that is a portion of it for him. I don't think.

[A]

He's not there yet.

[B]

It's, it's.

[C]

For him, I think it's mostly mental. And I identified that long, long, long, long time ago. Just watching how he operates in practice and things of that nature. I just don't think that that dog switches on.

[D]

This is the same guy that held his own against Miles Garrett. Correct.

[B]

Correct.

[C]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

In game one.

[D]

In game one. First game of his career.

[B]

It's in him. It's in him.

[D]

Get back to that, man.

[B]

It's in him.

[C]

Yeah, it's. It's mental. It's a decision.

[A]

Yeah. All right, that does it for us here. Come on, Cowboys. I know these 45 minute shows. Come on. They go by fast. Appreciate you joining us. We'll be back again next Tuesday. As always, special thanks to Black Rifle Coffee for the nice, lovely gifts.

[B]

We'll get you hooked up. Yeah.

[A]

Don't worry. We got you.

[C]

I'm gonna use mine.

[D]

That's all right.

[A]

That's gonna do it for us. For Patrick. No see Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from talking Cowboys. We'll see you next week. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.