Talkin’ Cowboys: Wrong Cards Played, Time to Trade

Summary

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Talkin’ Cowboys: Wrong Cards Played, Time to Trade

Episode Date: November 4, 2025
Podcast: Talkin’ Cowboys (Dallas Cowboys)
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Patrick “No C” Walker, Cody, Travis, Isaiah Stanback, Josh Rodriguez
Location: The Star, Frisco, Texas

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Episode Overview

Following a demoralizing 27-17 loss to the Arizona Cardinals—dropping the Cowboys to 3-5-1—the Talkin’ Cowboys crew delivers a candid, at times exasperated, breakdown of everything that’s gone wrong with the team. With the trade deadline hours away and the playoff window closing, the squad dives into what failed on both sides of the ball, the Cowboys’ trade for linebacker Logan Wilson, what’s next for the struggling offensive line, and whether the front office will make further moves. The frustration is palpable, but so is a relentless honesty about the team’s issues and future.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Loss to the Cardinals: How Did it Happen?

(00:58 – 07:01)

• The panel expresses shock and disappointment over losing to a 2-5 Cardinals team in “salty,” mistake-ridden fashion.
• Major issues identified:
  • Offensive struggles: Just one offensive TD, not scoring until midway through the fourth quarter, failing on third downs, and lacking ball security.
  • Playoff odds sink: Cody reports playoff chances dropping to 10% after this loss.
    • Quote (03:56, Cody): “So if you’re a Cowboys fan right now and you were considering some vacation time in January … odds are you’re perfectly fine.”
  • Defensive collapse: The defense was dissected by a struggling Arizona offense that “looked very Tom Brady-ish” (05:01, Cody), and the panel admits they now expect defensive struggles weekly.

2. Full Team Accountability (Offense and Defense)

(07:01 – 12:46)

• Isaiah Stanback details failures at every level:
  • Running game: Javonte Williams ran hard but only got 15 carries despite effectiveness, highlighting questionable play-calling.
    • Quote (07:44, Travis): “Javonte Williams did well with what he was given, yet he only had 15 carries. So you did not stick to the run, even though it was effective.”
  • O-line and Dak: Terrence Steele, Guyton, Booker all allowed relentless pressure (19 on 39 dropbacks). Dak didn’t help, taking too deep of drops, worsening the task for his o-line.
  • Tight ends and receivers: Jake Ferguson had a poor showing with drops. CeeDee Lamb’s “loafs” (half-speed routes) drew criticism.
    • Quote (09:12, Travis): “CeeDee didn’t give the best effort yesterday. … A lot of what I would consider to be loafs … This is not just speaking to him; I’m just going position by position here.”
  • Defensive tactics: Using five down linemen with only one linebacker resulted in edge players like James Houston and Sam Williams dropping into coverage—roles they aren’t built for. Safeties, such as Marquis Bell, were exposed in assignments out of their skill set.
    • Quote (10:34, Travis): “These are Dan Quinn players you’re asking to play man-to-man. These are strong safeties. Strong safeties can’t play man … That’s not their position.”
  • DBs: Duron Bland and others struggled; the defense often played far too soft, leaving easy completions.

3. Bright Spots Amidst the Gloom

(14:30 – 17:30)

• Individual props to:
  • Donovan Ezra (rookie DT): Showing development; sack was a product of improved technique in a five-man front.
  • Davian Clowney: “Played lights out … a madman” (15:31, Travis), looked like he secured his job after finally getting starter reps.
  • Front seven overall: Pass rush and several DL/edge performers noted as a rare positive, but frustration reigns as those improvements were negated by failures elsewhere.
    • Analogy (17:46, Kyle): Comparing the Cowboys to a Christmas tree with broken lights—fix one area and another fails.

4. Offensive Line Woes & The “Chemistry” Debate

(25:56 – 34:45)

• The panel debates whether to shake up the o-line:
  • Terrence Steele’s Struggles: Continues to “have a terrible game” (26:47, Patrick). Calls grow to consider Nate Thomas at right tackle.
  • Continuity vs. Change: Mixed feelings—some argue the starting five need more time together; others are nearing their limit with consistently poor performances.
    • Quote (34:41, Kyle): “I've always been one to say Terrence Steele’s been doing fine work over there … but the more I've seen him struggle this year and the more I've seen Nate Thomas come in and fill in admirably … I still want to see more of it, but I don't necessarily want to switch it all up. So I'm kind of in like a no man's land purgatory type thing.”

5. Trade Deadline: Logan Wilson Addition & LB Position Analysis

(41:08 – 52:05)

• Trade details: Cowboys acquire Logan Wilson (LB, Bengals) for a 2026 7th-rounder.
• Wilson’s Profile:
  • Sideline-to-sideline player, was “first-team All-Mountain West, over 500 tackles” in Cincinnati.
  • Kyle: “Plays downhill. Good tackler. … But if you’re thinking he’s the fix to the defense, he’s absolutely not.” (41:35)
  • Patrick: “It’s a definite upgrade at the position.” (42:32)
• Roster & scheme fit skepticism: The panel doubts whether Wilson brings a significantly new trait—his coverage peaked in 2022 but otherwise average. Isaiah and Cody believe this signals a churn at the position after the year, with many LBs likely moving on.
• Front seven focus still needed: Collective agreement that the true need remains a D-line difference-maker who can “stop offensive linemen from getting up to the second level.” (49:41, Travis)
  • Quote (49:41, Travis): “Get somebody in the middle … one person could improve a lot of other people … You needed a dog in the middle.”

6. Are More Trades Coming? What’s the Front Office Mindset?

(52:05 – 54:35)

• The hosts believe the front office’s deadline approach is now less aggressive, given the record and playoff odds.
  • Quote (53:04, Travis): “I think last night’s loss has an impact on the aggressiveness of the front office. … Now I think that you’re like, ah, let’s hold our pitch.”
  • Jerry Jones cited as saying he won’t “hamstring the organization” by mortgaging the future, though “I don’t have time to have a bad time.”
• Recognized shift: Earlier in the season, the idea was to not waste an “elite offense” while fixing the defense. Now, with offense also faltering, urgency has evaporated.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On missed expectations:
  “They aren’t who we thought they were.” — Patrick (06:36) [paraphrasing Dennis Green]

• On accountability:
  “This is not one person, and I went through that whole spiel because I wanted everybody to get the smoke because everybody’s responsible for the smoke.” — Travis (11:15)

• On organizational frustration:
  “Stop being an A hole to your B hole.” — Travis (23:00) [humorous product tie-in]

• On front office caution:
  “Please don’t touch those first round picks though. … Hold them like your children, please.” — Patrick (52:47)

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Timestamps: Important Segments

• 00:58–03:20: Setting the scene – Recap loss, mood, playoff picture.
• 07:01–12:46: Player-by-player accountability, both sides of the ball.
• 14:30–17:30: Bright spots (Ezra, Clowney), front seven effort.
• 25:56–34:45: O-line chemistry, Steele vs. Thomas, continuity debate.
• 41:08–52:05: Logan Wilson trade breakdown, linebacker room analysis.
• 52:05–54:35: Deadline forecasting, Jerry Jones’ comments, team direction.

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Tone & Final Thoughts

Brutally honest, exasperated, sarcasm-laced, but fair. The crew drills home the point that Dallas’ problems are team-wide—scheme, effort, talent, and coaching. While the Wilson trade draws a lukewarm response (“fine for a seventh, but not a fix”), the need for a D-line difference-maker is universally acknowledged. Hopes for deadline magic are muted; the focus is beginning to shift toward future building as playoff realities become stark.

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For further in-depth fan reactions or to join the next show (“On the Wire Wednesday”), listeners are encouraged to call in tomorrow.

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Transcript

[Travis]

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[Cody]

Steady through every mission.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Travis]

This is Talking Cowboys streaming live from.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star in Frisco CD Lamb. It's on.

[Travis]

Jake Ferguson, Prescott K.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And now your hosts, Isaiah Stanback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans. 27:17 the final score in Week 9 of the NFL season as the Cowboys fall to 351 at the hands of the Arizona Cardinals on Monday Night Football. Welcome in to Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle Coffee company Here from the Star in Frisco in the SWBC studios, we've got Patrick Nosie Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Stamback, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Cowboys struggle on third down. They struggle to hold onto the football and just one offensive touchdown and it took till the midway point of the fourth quarter to find the end zone. On the offensive side of things all a recipe for for losing is ultimately what it was for.

[Travis]

I don't like that cake, Kyle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It is not a cake you want. It is not a meal you want. But either way you gotta take that. L. It's a little salty. It's very salty today. A little sour and salty. Ew, salty.

[Cody]

Gross.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, neither one of those sound have.

[Travis]

A salty cake, Kyle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Salty cake.

[Travis]

Salty cake is not good. Add ingredients.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm just gonna Keep pushing past 27:17. You fall to a 2, 2 and 5 Cardinals team. All of us here on say it with your chest Friday pick the Cowboys and all of us were indeed wrong.

[Travis]

You know what Kyle, you were right.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

After we all picked the Cowboys, Kyle at the very end of that segment said, well congrats, congrats because that is a dub for you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

For all of us picking the Dallas Cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now today another storyline. We are not taking phone calls today because there's just too much to break down from yesterday's game. Plus the trade deadline. It is today and the Cowboys have already made one move trading a 2026 seventh round pick acquire linebacker Logan Wilson. We'll talk more about that in news and notes here in a moment. But really, when it comes down to it, Patrick, I want to start with the game. You didn't play well. You're not playing well. You're. Oh and two over these last couple games going into the trade deadline when you either could have been at 500 or above 500 and given yourself life going into the toughest part of your schedule.

[Cody]

Post buy sweet chin music past the aux cord. You're three, five and one now. Three, five and one. So last week's lab coat, I said the best case scenario if you lose this game is that you would have 14, 15% chance of making the playoffs. That was best case scenario. That means all the other dominoes had to fall in your favor as far as other teams losing and so forth.

[Travis]

What is it now?

[Cody]

No, see, it's 10%. And that might be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That might be generous.

[Cody]

That might be generous.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

That doesn't seem very high.

[Cody]

It's actually quite low. So much.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

10%. Out of 50. 50.

[Cody]

No, no, no. Out of the whole one.

[Travis]

Hunter.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Ah.

[Cody]

So if you're. If you're a Cowboys fan right now and you were considering some vacation time in January, but you were concerned that it might conflict with some possible Cowboys games, odds are you're perfectly fine.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Don't you put that evil on me.

[Travis]

You put that evil on me.

[Cody]

Odds.

[Travis]

CES is in January.

[Cody]

Odds are that you're perfectly fine. I mean, this Cowboys, they're not a sponsor. You just. You just failed at 3. 5 and 1 and you fell to 3. 5 and 1 in, you know, generous playoff odds at 10%.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Cody]

To a previously listless Arizona Cardinals team that was two and five. We did sit here and say at.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Least they were on a hot streak.

[Travis]

Right.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Going into this game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, they had lost five straight.

[Cody]

Oh, they were on a streak. Cool. Right. And we sat here and said last week, we said, you know, it doesn't matter the way this defense was playing. It doesn't matter if it was Ky Murray or Jacoby Brissette. They both presented their own sort of challenges to the count.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Oh, that wasn't Kurt Warner out there.

[Cody]

No, it wasn't. Okay. It looked very Tom Brady ish in the way that he was just dissecting those guys. But then what makes it worse is, and again, we've come to it, we've come to expect that this defense is going to struggle. We've expected that. Right. Two weeks in a row, though, Kyle, you want to repeat what you said?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Two weeks in a row, the offense did not play well. They scored at all.

[Cody]

How many offensive touchdowns yesterday?

[Kyle Yeomans]

One. It was in the fourth.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Wait, was Dak healthy?

[Cody]

Yes. CD Yep.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

George Pickens, Jake Ferguson, Kavante Turpin.

[Travis]

Yep.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Andrew Tyler, Javante Williams.

[Cody]

Yep.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Cooper Bibi.

[Cody]

Tyler Guy and Cooper Bibi and Tyler Smith.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They were at Booker, full strength.

[Cody]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And it mattered not because the Cowboys allowed a total of 19.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And we talked about the defense.

[Cody]

We warned on 19 pressures on 39 drops.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Weeks in a row, we've tried to talk about that.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Sounds pretty high.

[Cody]

19 on 39 drop backs. Is that 48 pressured? Yeah, pressured 19 times with 39 drop backs.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It felt like that with the moment.

[Travis]

On the film, too.

[Cody]

Yeah. He was hit, what, 11 times? Nine times, five sacks. Yeah. This is now.

[Travis]

Now.

[Cody]

Now we're at the point where nobody's carrying anybody. You needed the offense to carry the defense. Backpacks. No, no, they're not strapped up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Left them at home.

[Cody]

Yeah, left them at home. So now it's to. To quote Josh Rodriguez, what are we doing?

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Also another quote. Coach Dennis Green.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sorry.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Of the Arizona Cardinals. One of the most famous quotes of all time. I'm gonna adjust it a little bit. They aren't who we thought they were.

[Cody]

Ow.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

In terms of your Dallas Cowboys, I don't like that. I mean, and yet, like, we just talked about full capacity. Going up against a team that has lost five straight, that is an embarrassing performance.

[Travis]

Okay, so a couple things. Couple things. We all. We all said that the Cowboys are going to win. I had hope that the Cowboys are going to figure out a way to win. And we stated that if they were going to win, it was going to have to be in the form of sustained drives. Offensively, you weren't going to get the big play on Arizona. We said that on Thursday. Correct. Or Wednesday. Sorry, my apologies. We switched up today. So on Wednesday, we stated that you weren't going to make the big play. So you're going to have to do what versus a 3, 4 defense? Run the ball. Okay. Well, did you run the ball effectively with Javante Williams? Yes. You know, was it 14 or 15 for 85 too?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Running tough, too. I'm talking about breaking out of tackles, spinning out of guys.

[Travis]

Guys that were unblocked.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Travis]

So Javante Williams did well with what he was given, yet he only had 15 carries. So you did not stick to the run, even though it was effective in the passing game. Your passing concepts were very predictable. Also in the passing game, you had no protection. The Terrence still did not have a good game guiding. Did not have a good game. Booker did not have a good game. These guys allowed pressures nonstop. Seemingly there was always somebody that was giving up pressure. Dak Prescott at times didn't help either. He was sitting back at his at and 10 yards on on this depth on his drop backs when he was ready in the shotgun. That does not help your offensive lineman in terms of their their target points. Most defensive linemen are aiming for a seven yard point in terms of strike point in terms of getting to the quarterback. Well, Dax sitting back at nine that makes their their job easier defensively. So he's to blame on some of these plays as well. Receivers in tight ends. Tight end had a rough night. Yep. Let's just call it what it is. Jake Ferguson had a rough night. Drop passes, drop pass. Oh, it just wasn't great for Jake.

[Cody]

Okay.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Humble.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was not as big.

[Travis]

It was not in good hands yesterday. Okay receivers. CD didn't give the best effort yesterday. I'll call a spade a spade. You go back and watch the film. There's a lot of lot of what I would consider to be loafs and this is not just speaking to him. I'm just talking about. I'm going position by position here. CD did not exert the effort that you would expect from your number one receiver.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Was that in run blocking or this was in routes.

[Travis]

Routes. This is in routes. A lot of half speed routes. If you guys noticed that there was a lot of batted balls at the point of the reception for for cd A lot of those were kind of half speed routes. Dak was off, was not on time on some of those things where he was padding the ball a little bit, sitting back there. Should have released the ball before he got out of his break. But also he didn't have a great understanding of the timing of the route because the route wasn't being ran at full speed like it was every other time he's thrown it. So a lot to to go in terms of blame yesterday offensively, defensively, this we ran a 515 for probably 30% of the snaps yesterday. Five down lineman, one linebacker oftentimes Kenneth Murray was that one linebacker who ended up being a blitzer, I guess. And you dropped out James Houston and Sam Williams into coverage numbers of times. Not the guys that I necessarily want covering in space, but those guys are being asked to play cover. That's not something that they do. Neither is Marquis Bell a cover safety. Much like earlier in the year, you're asking Donovan Wilson to be a cover safety. That didn't pan out well prior to his injury. Now Maris Bell comes into the fold and he's being asked to guard one of the best tight ends in the league. Just not going to happen. I. I don't blame the. The player. He doesn't have the capabilities of executing what you're asking him to do. I go back to what I said weeks ago, long time ago. Or actually private camp. These are Dan Quinn players that you're asking to play man to man. These are strong safeties. Strong safeties can't play, man. These are not their position. That's not what they do. It's not Darren Woodson. And then last lastly, Duron BL had a rough night.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah.

[Cody]

Oh, you're being nice.

[Travis]

He had a rough night. Marvin Harrison Jr. Had his way. Wilson had his way. Some of these routes. Oh, he had a rough night. I'm not even just talking about the goal line play where he ended up on his butt. There was other routes.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Playing off coverage. Matt Eberflus, you gotta stop, man. Like I like. You gotta stop, like some, some things are the players second and 12 and you're giving up eight yard passes untouched. Tight ends running down the seams, through the linebackers, through your secondary untouched. Nobody's getting a hand on these guys at all. These are, these are routes on air. This is what you do in pre practice. This is what you do at the beginning of practice, individual drills. This is what you do before the game starts. And you're throwing the ball against your DBs because you don't want to hurt nobody. So those guys just kind of play off. That's how guys are running down the field right now. And it's not okay. So there's so much to blame. This is not one person. And I went through that whole spiel because I wanted everybody to get the smoke because everybody's responsible for the smoke. This is not good stuff we're seeing right now. And in kudos to. We'll talk about the trade. That's. It's not going to address the problem. No, it's not going to. It's not going to. It's not going to address the problem. Do you get better? I don't know. We'll see. But does it impact the other position groups? No, that's what I'm. That's what I've been beating the wall about in terms of the trade deadline. You need to get a person who impacts multiple people. I hope that, that this trade helps the team, but I can't foresee it. Regardless of how Good. He comes in playing, he's going to face the same problems. Offensive linemen are getting on linebackers. Our linebackers are unable to get off a 330 pound grown men. They're not built for that. A 245 pound linebacker is not built to get his hands off a 300 plus pound lineman. You have to stop the lineman from getting up to the next level.

[Cody]

I'll say this real quick and then we'll get back to putting belt to ass. Javonte Williams just, he just did everything.

[Travis]

Oh my God. Blocking, running, recovering fumbles.

[Cody]

I mean he just did everything he could do. So shout out to him. Well, yeah, yeah, he did that. Was he perfect?

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, no.

[Cody]

But did you do that?

[Travis]

You do that when you're, when you're, when you're stressing, pressing, you're pressing. Williams ran the ball great. Gervontae Williams missed, missed guys or guys missed tackles on him that were unblocked. That big play that he had in the second half, that was an unblocked outside linebacker in a 34 who was unblocked a lot of the game. Javante Williams in pass blocking put guys on their tail.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Even on the play that he fumbled on. Remember it was third down and long and it was in the flat and he was trying to work back to the line of scrimmage, work back to the, to the, the line to gain rather and get that direction. And that's where he was pressing. It was met, met by one guy, stayed on his feet, met by another guy, stayed on his feet and then the ball got ripped.

[Cody]

Same applied for just trying to do first fumble that Javante ended up recovering. He was just trying it with three, four guys.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Two guys that were pressing but you know, actually did show up in a big way. Sure, those two.

[Cody]

So credit to those guys. I mean.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Yeah, but there's a lot to say about Duron Bland. He had a really terrible game. But I mean if you add on the how off ball he was, I mean like genuinely, I think without looking at the film, I feel like he was playing 25 yards off, off of his receiver.

[Cody]

You know, I felt that way because he'd start about 10 yards off and then bail. Yes, that's how, that's how you got to 20.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

And I think that's also a lack of confidence in how your safeties are able to cover the field. I, I think.

[Cody]

Oh, absolutely.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

It's all of those things are one thing begets the other in terms of defense. When one aspect is playing poorly, everything else is going to suffer. It is just a fundamental problem from the top down.

[Travis]

I do want to give kudos to two people. I want to give kudos to Donovan Ezra, who's coming along? He's coming along. It was not great yet, but he's coming along. He's getting better.

[Cody]

Who's the other one?

[Kyle Yeomans]

What have we talked about that Donovan Ezra, who can fix right now it's his technique because speed and strength and size that will come over time. But right now you can fix technique. On his sack, was it a speed rush or was it a technique rush?

[Travis]

No, it was a technique and, and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Quick hands again, it was good.

[Travis]

Kudos to e flu on that because the five men front allow for all the guys up front to have one on one matchups.

[Cody]

Yes.

[Travis]

That's one of the reasons why you go to a five man. Even though I don't like it, these guys drop it in coverage. When you go five guys versus five guys, everybody has a one on one. So Donovan Ezraku on that particular play won his one on one. The other gentleman who played lights out was Jadavian Davian Clowney in person. Davian Clowney on film played lights out. That was in run defense. That was in pass rush.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Travis]

This dude was a madman. There's a couple plays he took off obviously, but.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Well, there's one where he got the wind knocked out of him and he like still stayed in the game. Yeah, like just clearly look like a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Guy who was playing for his job 100.

[Travis]

It looked like he was playing like he had heard some murmurs that there might have been some help coming in at the defensive end position.

[Cody]

And he looks like a guy who.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Reminded them, felt the type of way about it.

[Cody]

Look, looks like a guy who finally got gotten starts. He, he wanted to start. He was upset and frustrated that he wasn't getting the reps. He got the reps and then he showed you why he was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And maybe he was ramp, ramping up too. Remember he's coming off the street. It took him maybe a month.

[Cody]

Yeah. So let's say a month training. Yeah, let's say a month. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So maybe it took him a little bit. I, I said this last night as he walked by and we kind of talked to him for a little bit outside the locker room and he, he basically. Or I turned to Isaiah and said hopefully that's the Jedavi and we get.

[Travis]

The rest of these.

[Cody]

That's the one that you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because if that's the case then that's a win across the board. And I thought the front seven I tweeted it last night. It's one of the few bright spots in the game was the way that the front seven piece things together. I thought Solomon Thomas did a nice job at certain times. I thought his effort, a couple of opportunities was certainly there. I thought OSA had a couple reps that you liked. Kenny Clark had a sack in the game as well. Dante Fowler Jr. Was banged up, but he still had a sack. There were good things on the front seven, but that's what's so frustrating about this whole team is the one part that you've been waiting for, the one situation that you've been waiting to fix. We had this whole argument last week about, how do you fix the defense? You got to start with the pass rush, or you got to start with the defensive tackles, or you got to start with your defensive line, whatever it may be. You finally get some pass rush, but then everything else kind of falls apart. Everything else just kind of, meh. Falls off an edge. Your offense can't play at the high level that they were playing initially. Your defensive backs are struggling because they're playing so far off the line of scrimmage. Your linebackers are having to chase sideline to sideline every single play. Like, it's just.

[Cody]

It's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what's frustrating when. When it's. It's like you're going to your grandma's house on Christmas, right? I heard this from Steve Sarkeesian, the Texas head coach. He's like, when you're going to your grandma's house and you've got your Christmas tree up, right, and it's past Halloween, people are putting up their Christmas tree, and there's just one or two lights that are out, but it causes the whole strand. So you. You go up there and you finally find it, you fix it, and that light turns on.

[Cody]

And then.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But then you wait like a couple days, and then another one goes out and the whole strand goes out, and you got to go find that light. And it's. That's exactly what it is right now. You're trying to turn these lights to fix your Christmas tree, and it won't all illuminate at the same time. And that's the problem that you're having.

[Travis]

I have leds.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can't hide money over here. All that Louis Vuitton is like laptop without a laptop last night, incandescent light.

[Cody]

So what are you guys doing?

[Patrick Noi Walker]

All that, to be said, the defense allowed 27 points. And I think any other game this season, you would have.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I would have Taken that.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

You would have taken that.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Because you would have trusted the Dallas Cowboys offense to score more than 27 points. Because it's. They're one of the top offenses in the league. No longer. Anymore. But here's. You'd expect that out of guys that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Any other home game, on average, you would have won by two touchdowns.

[Travis]

Yeah, but.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Exactly.

[Travis]

But we sat here and told you on Wednesday. At least I sat here and told you on Wednesday you weren't going to. It wasn't going to happen. Yeah, it was not like, like I was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So we all expected this to be in the.

[Cody]

I don't think any of us predicted a 40.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

No.

[Travis]

27, 23 points. You just weren't. Not against that defense. That defense was sound. That defense communicated on the back end. That defense was going to bend, but don't break. What do we say? They will let you get down the field. Until when? Until the red zone. And then what are they going to force you to do? Kick field goals. Oh, that's right. You want to go for it on fourth down. No field goals. Right.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

So like there's, there's another fundamental problem when you're four yards out and Javante Williams is carrying the offense on that first drive and you decide, I don't trust him. Right here in the middle, four yards out. Well, I'll tell you to run it twice in a row. I'll tell you what, to get you a touchdown.

[Cody]

I'll tell you what happened there. So you're, you're moving the ball downfield fairly easily. Javante Williams, he's absolutely eating right. Um, and then the first sign that you might have that you will have protection issues. Walter Nolan gets the tfl the tackle for a loss on Javante. And I think at that moment it kind of struck Brian Schadenhammer. He was like, oh, we, we might unblock be. Yeah, well, that's fair.

[Travis]

These guys were unblocked.

[Cody]

Yeah, well, okay. So I was going to say, okay.

[Travis]

Is that not the 3, 4 defense in this running game? It was, it provided a problem. It posed a big problem for the blocking scheme because literally the in man on the line of scri image, the stand up defensive in outside linebacker, however you want to refer to him, was constantly unblocked.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Travis]

And it was almost like, hey, we'll outrun him. We'll outrun him away. Like, we're running to the left. He's on the right. We're gonna beat him. He'll never beat us down there. But there's nobody stopping him. And Like, I don't know what it is about the blocking scheme that they had set forth for that for that alignment, but it wasn't working.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, we got to take our first break. When we come back, we'll start to magnifying glass this thing. We're going to go on the offensive side of the football first, since they were the ones that I think struggled the most in the lost and we'll kind of continue that conversation. Plus we'll talk about the trade and what happened in the third segment about what's going on with that Cowboys trade deadline. Does yesterday's result change your mind as to what the Cowboys should do with the trade deadline? More to come with Talking Cowboys right after this.

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[Cody]

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[Travis]

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[Cody]

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[Travis]

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[Cody]

How's it going? You see that Cowboys game?

[Travis]

Oh, I watched. Been seeing some good things.

[Cody]

Totally. They have some.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Yup.

[Travis]

Some great talent. And they got some fight.

[Cody]

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[Travis]

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[Cody]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Back to Talking Cowboys. Back here on Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company, the official coffee of the Dallas Cowboys. This segment is brought to you by Invisalign. The official smile of the Dallas Cowboys as well. We're smiling through what was a 2717 loss for the Cowboys in week nine NFL season. I'm sorry.

[Travis]

That's okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm good. I'm Glad you. You have that mindset and everybody that's watching this show, I'm sure, has that mindset as well. We really appreciate you tuning in. The, the biggest thing for me going into the bi week, going into the toughest part of your schedule, that that does happen after the Vegas game, but still, I mean, you lost. You lost to the 2 and 5.

[Cody]

At the, @ the Vegas.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what I'm saying. It's like you've lost two straight now. You've lost to the two and five Cardinals. There's nobody on this schedule from here on out that you can take lightly at any point in time. So with all that being said.

[Cody]

Where.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Do you start on this squad? Let's start on the offensive side of the ball because they did struggle. They're at full strength. Josh, you mentioned it earlier.

[Travis]

Yeah, they were.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They were at full strength. At what point in the year, nine weeks in, have you looked at your offense and said there's not a single impact player that you would rather have on the field.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Than what you had available?

[Patrick Noi Walker]

It starts at the point of attack. Your offensive line is not playing well. I mean, Tyler Smith had a pretty bad game. Considering what you'd expect out of a Tyler Smith, I think down the line. I think you have to consider now Nate Thomas starting at right tackle. I really do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Terence Steele had a terrible.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Somebody asked me that on the radio last week and I, I kind of threw that out there. I, I said I don't want to replace Guyton at left tackle, but no.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

No, there's a ceiling.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is there? Yeah. If there's a conversation to be had, I think Terrence Steele's had a worse season than Tyler Guyton.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

And I think something about Nate Thomas, whenever he does step in, it doesn't feel like you. Actually. There's not a regression there, a drop off. I think adding him into the fold might give you more chemistry. I don't know. But I'm willing to try it. At this point, your offensive line is not getting the push that it needs and it's just. They're getting bullied, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And accountability time, at least for, for me specifically. I know I can't remember who else talk this on this show previously, but I thought this coaching staff would be the answer for Tyler or for Terrence Steele. I thought this coaching staff would be a benefit for Steele more than anything in the off season and a fully healthy off season was one. But getting the right coaching staff with Connor Riley and Clayton Adams, I thought Terrence Steele would benefit more from this. I haven't seen it in 2025. That's what's disappointing.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

And even a guy like Tyler Booker had a relatively. Who has had a relatively decent season so far whenever he's been healthy. But I mean, that. That penalty yesterday killed you. That killed the drive. I mean, just. Just big. Just bad miscommunication, bad chemistry. Just bad. Bad offensive line play so far.

[Cody]

Holding calls.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Holding. Oh, man.

[Cody]

That just absolutely murdered the penalties again. But. So here, here's my concern that I have with the offensive line. So not only are they playing poorly, even now that they're whole, you say, well, I would. And I get it. You say, I want to see more of Nate Thomas because Terence Steele had a really bad game and attribute it to whatever you want. You could see it's not just the bad. Yeah, it's not just that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He did have a bad game, but.

[Cody]

Right. But no, so I understand. I understand those that would like to see Nate Thomas. I get it. It's justified. Right. The problem is, is you saw Nate Thomas yesterday and his reps, he also did not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, he didn't play great either.

[Cody]

Terrance Steele had a greater number of reps. Right. He allowed five pressures in a sec. Nate Thomas came in on a fewer number of reps, had four pressures allowed in a sec.

[Travis]

Ngb.

[Cody]

Not great. But.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But a lot of that is because he's working as a second teamer and he's working at left tackle and then he's working at right tackle and then there's. There's a little bit there.

[Cody]

And at this job, swing tackle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I get it.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Also, at that point, the Cardinals are hunting.

[Travis]

Absolutely.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

You're not running, relying on the run game at all.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And you're throwing down the field.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

You're throwing down the field. Dak is taking a sweet time getting the ball out there because the receivers aren't getting open. They're not creating space. It is not good.

[Cody]

Bob, I get what you're saying. I do. Yes. You are now in a situation where you're mostly one dimensional and the Cardinals get to pin their ears back. I get it. But the other team getting to pin their ears back doesn't undermine the fact that your job is to stop them from getting to your quarterback.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let me ask you this.

[Cody]

You either did or you did not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If Terrence Steele was out there in the same reps that Nate Thomas was out there late in the game, pin your ears back one dimensional, could you say it would be any better?

[Travis]

No.

[Cody]

See, that's what I'm saying. That's my point. My point is we're looking for solutions on the offensive line. And I'm saying that it's easy to say. And I'm not saying you're wrong again, I'm not saying you're wrong in wanting to see Nate Thomas.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Cody]

I'm saying pump the brakes on saying that Nate Thomas is the fix.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

No, no.

[Cody]

You just saw Nate Thomas struggle when he was put in because Steel was struggling.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

I'm sure.

[Travis]

I'm not on board with switching up the O line.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You want to keep it.

[Travis]

I want to keep the way it is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I get that mindset, too.

[Travis]

The O line is not playing as a unit. That's the problem. They're playing as individuals. I feel like the interior three are playing as a remotely like a unit. But when you go back and watch the film, even though we feel like Javante Williams still had a relatively good game with the opportunities that he had, he had to create a lot. And the reason why he had to create a lot is because guys are unblocked, and the guys that are unblocked are guys at the second level. This offensive line is not working up to the second level. You turn on the film, you watch the run game. Just go. Go ahead and just filter it out and just push all run game. Look at how many guys are running free. In terms of the linebackers, our office in line is getting stalemated. Whether we have one or two guys responsible for an individual, they're not moving those guys to the second level. And then shedding. Right. Letting guys go and then going and getting the linebacker. You have a. Sometimes you have combo blocks where you have a three technique. All right? You're centering your guard. Work together. Boom. Shoulder to shoulder. Shoulder. If I'm the center, I might push him over to you. And now I'm going to my. My assignment, which is the second level linebacker. That's not happening. We're not getting to that second phase. And the reason why you're not getting these big splash plays in the running game is because of that. These. You're just not getting past the first phase of the first wave. It's dog on. What's it, Gears of War?

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Travis]

It's like you're on the first wave still. You know, you haven't. You haven't cleared the first wave, so you can't even talk about getting to the next one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Travis]

So that's why those splash plays aren't happening. So I'm less. Yes. Still needed some help yesterday, and Javante Williams stepped on his heel a few times as well and threw him off his block side. There are some things that happened, right, that made it look bad, worse than what it probably was. Dak didn't. Dak didn't do well either. He just didn't do well either. There were opportunities to stand in there and throw the ball. He didn't at times.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I do understand the continuity and we talked about this last night on the post game show. Nate Newton went deep into it. He said, this offensive line needs to play more together. It's the first game where they're all back in however many weeks.

[Travis]

Five weeks time Pro Bowler. Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Six time Pro Bowler. I completely get all of that. And I've been very adamant on this show and even on the draft show before about keeping the continuity up front and keeping the same five starting guys all year long. We talked about it through training camp as well. I just. I'm getting closer to the end of the rope when it comes to the Terrence Steele thing. That's kind of where I'm at. I've always been one to say Terrence Steele's been doing fine work over there. Is he one of the best right tackles in football? No, he never has been. Is he a serviceable right tackle that can get the job done when you need him to? Absolutely. He's a good run blocker at different times. But the more I've seen him struggle this year and the more I've seen Nate Thomas come in and fill in admirably at left tackle or at right tackle, I know he struggled at the end of the game yesterday. I still want to see more of it, but I don't necessarily want to switch it all up. So I'm kind of in like a no man's land purgatory type thing whenever it comes to the offensive line. And I think look at what they've done, that might be the case. It really might be. I'm totally fine moving forward with the same five guys because they haven't played together. But if we continuously see them play together and it's the same problem over and over and over again, that's where I think you need to start making some moves just to see what's happening. Because if your offensive line struggling enough to make a move in the next three to four games, you're not going to be sitting at 3, 5 and 1 anymore. You're going to be at 3, 8, 4, 7, 4, 8 and 1 instead. And by that point, you might as well see what you've got with Nate.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

I'M curious if Nate Newton would and he's going to have hanging with the boys later. I'm curious how he would speak in regards to like them playing as a unit, if at all so far this season, if they've had enough time to really get that chemistry together or if it is a coaching thing.

[Cody]

That's not where I thought you were going with that. I thought you were going to say I'm curious to see if Nate Newton is willing to suit up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I will say that's a great question. And Nate, I know you're listening. If you want, give me a call right now and I'll pull you up on speakerphone and you can answer that question.

[Cody]

I'm with you, with you on this, Cal. I say at the moment, might as well see if these if that front five can regain chemistry going forward. But you have to be very careful here and this goes to your point in two ways. Number one, if they cannot get the chemistry regained for whatever reason over the next couple of games, I will start making changes. Because number one, you do need to see what you have for the future in Nate Thomas because that's going to color your decisions in the off season as far as trying to address the right tackle position. In addition to that, if they can't get the chemistry back, you have to do something to try to protect Dak Prescott.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You can't just try him out there.

[Cody]

Or you just got to start trotting Joe Milton out there because you can't risk the franchise. You just can't risk the franchise.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, there's a lot on the table whenever it comes to the offensive line and the struggles that they had yesterday.

[Travis]

I hope there's some more on the table.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There is is in trades. Let's talk about it when we come back. Trade deadline is today. Cowboys have already made one trade. Will it be the last trade that they've had moving into the deadline? We'll talk about it more with more talking Cowboys right after this.

[Travis]

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[Travis]

Hey, mom, before you ask, ask. I've done my homework and the dishwasher's unloaded.

[Cody]

Nice. Hey, can you.

[Travis]

Hey, hon.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Travis]

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[Cody]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick Noi Walker]

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[Travis]

You can't say it. You know I can't say it.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

What is.

[Travis]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick Noi Walker]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick Noi Walker]

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[Travis]

Oh, that's it. Okay.

[Cody]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Patrick Noi Walker]

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[Travis]

He's just not there today.

[Cody]

Oh, I could be, but you just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Don'T want to be.

[Cody]

Just lost the damn Cardinals, man. Please.

[Travis]

The cardinals are a good team. We said that they lost five games by a number of 13 points. They were a good team.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We said do not overlook.

[Travis]

And we said that their secondary took away what Dallas does best.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

And I said, to hell with that.

[Travis]

We're going to give the ball to Javante. 30 times.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But no Isaiah, Josh Rodriguez, Patrick no See Walker, Chris Beam in the back and Kyle Yeoman's Cowboys have made a trade, everybody. Is it going to fix the defense? No, it's not. But I actually do like the trade. Logan Wilson, linebacker from the Cincinnati Bengals. He was a third round pick out of Wyoming. He was one of my favorite players in the draft in 2020. I loved Logan.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

I was hoping to hear that from.

[Travis]

What did you like about him?

[Kyle Yeomans]

He was a. Just a sideline, sideline dog, plays downhill. Good tackler. He had over 500 tackles with Cincinnati. He first team all. All Mountain West, I believe back in the day.

[Cody]

Second and then first.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, second and the first. Okay, so multi all conference honoree. He was the most fun, true middle linebacker at the Senior bowl back in 2020 and I, that was the first time I really watched him turned on the film. It was much of the same. He just flies around back and forth and he played like that in starts with Cincinnati. I'll get there. When he played like that a couple times in starts, but then as time went on he started to lose playing time with the Bengals. Fell out of favor a little bit. I think he fits well here, but if you're thinking he's the fix to the defense, he's absolutely not. You traded a seventh round pick for him. It's a low value, high risk or a low risk, possibly high reward or even medium reward for the Cowboys.

[Travis]

I'm okay with that.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

It's a definite upgrade at the position.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It gives you another capable body at the linebacker position right now and over.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

The guys that you currently have. Isaiah, stand back.

[Travis]

I'm going to ask the man who studied him in college because you're about to pay this dude $9 million a year. Year.

[Cody]

Because you have him on the contract through 27.

[Travis]

Exactly. So 9 million dollar a year linebacker that you just added to your roster.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think he's worth that.

[Travis]

What does he provide you that your current linebackers don't? You said running hit. All the linebackers we have running hit. What else does.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's better in cover.

[Cody]

He can cover.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. He's better in coverage.

[Cody]

He's only, he's only to that point. He's only two seasons removed from having four interceptions. So he can cover. He can get there. While Kyle is looking that up, I will say this.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Finding my 2020 draft notes, son.

[Cody]

Oh, you're such an animal. I love it. My, my thing, Isaiah, it's 9 million.

[Travis]

I just, I just need, I need to know definitely what does he provide. That's that your current guys don't provide. Murray could tackle although all the linebackers can run the tackle. Shamar James run and hit.

[Cody]

No, I'm just part of me thinks.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

It'S what you expected out of Jack Sanborn before you signed him.

[Cody]

It.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

It's what it's what you expected out of that position.

[Cody]

You never expect the Sanborn to cover. Like never. My, my thing is this for what you gave up for Logan Wilson which is a 2026 seventh round pick. I'm fine with it. But we're not going to sit here and say that you've seen Friday. Okay. Remember when Smokey's mama had the gave him the dollar. Yes. And he was like this ain't enough. And she was like make it enough. What I feel like Jerry is flu make it wasn't make it enough. Now they're you know on the horn trying to get another one or two or however many trades. But when it comes to Logan Wilson he is an upgrade but two things can be true at the same time. While I do believe he's an instant upgrade and I would like to see him in conjunction with overshone when he comes back. And yeah, I don't know what Eva flu is doing with Leophile which is my question mark because you, you had.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't know if they trust him.

[Cody]

I don't, I don't know what's going on but nonetheless, let's, let's go to Kyle Yeoman's scouting report.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I found him my and just side note, my 2020 scouting reports are not as thorough as they are now. It's very, very light. That was my first go at it here with the draft show. I did what I could but I'd stand by what I wrote here. I said built a lot like lve. He reminded me I guess of Leighton Vanderesh at the time and Jerry even brought that up today on 153The Fan. He said he reminded him of Leighton Vanderesh and what he brought to the table. Table said fluid in his movements and a solid tackler. Durable. Not afraid of contact at the same time. Great against the run. Can cover when you need him to. That was what I had. That's my scouting report.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Like I said, not so far so good. A good evaluation of a player that has played well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Especially consider last season.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This season he was my number seven linebacker in the class that year in 2020. So that's a long time ago. And the fact that he stuck around for this long shows that he's a solid linebacker and he's had a decent career with Cincinnati.

[Cody]

And, and my concern here is, and I know a lot of people are saying, well, you know, they traded for a guy who got benched in Cincinnati. I think he got benched in Cincinnati because he mentally checked out. Mentally checked out because that defense is. Is playing extremely poorly. Oh, but he signed and he signed into a defense that's playing well, right? Yeah.

[Travis]

And they had what, five guys request trades from that defense? I think four or five guys from that defense alone. Again, I go back to the same question. Question, what does he provide you that your current guys don't because you play a two linebacker scheme as of yesterday, one linebacker.

[Cody]

I agree.

[Travis]

So are you taking Shamar James off the field who runs and hits? Are you taking Kenneth Murray off the field who runs in hits? Are you taking Maris leaf out? Who's your rotational guy? What does he give you that you're not currently getting? I don't disrespect to the man.

[Cody]

I feel like this. I haven't seen it. Murray off the field. I feel like it takes Kenneth Murray.

[Travis]

Off the field and Kenneth Murray runs in.

[Cody]

I don't think. Because I think they're really trying to.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

You're saying he doesn't run in tower.

[Cody]

Continue to unleash Shemar and let get his lumps.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I wonder what his coverage.

[Cody]

I think they're letting Shamar get his lumps. So I don't think that they're going to pull back on Shemar. I do think it's a. It's a Kenneth Murray versus leopard. But we've already seen leopards getting the shorting of the stick anyway, which means you're not trade. You're not making this trade and eyeing a guy in Leopold who's already getting the short end of the stick and saying this is to push you out. I think it's. It's him versus I should. Yeah. Murray versus and Logan Wilson.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

For all intents and purposes, your starting linebackers against the Raiders are going to be Logan Wilson into Marvin over.

[Travis]

Show him.

[Cody]

Yeah. Yeah. So I think it. I think it pushes Murray to the. To the bench.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I. Once again, the trade happened early this morning. I haven't watched any Logan Wilson film recently. I haven't had that conversation. I haven't watched the film yet. So I will go and review this over the next few days, as I'm sure all of us will. But his best coverage year came in 2022 where he had the most snaps in coverage. He had the most snaps he had the most success in coverage that year. PFF gave him a 74. He did not have another season after that where he was graded more than a 58. So. And that's PFF. Remember, take that with a grain of salt, everybody. Their grading system is hit or miss and it's not not the bible when it comes to evaluating players.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

And it depends on sample size too. But that is a pretty large sample size to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He had a thousand snaps in 23. He had 743 snaps last year and he had 362 this year.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

But that's kind of where PFF can get you like a low sample size can get you like a highly graded player that you're like, okay, I agree with you though.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now, now that I'm looking at my notes and I'm looking at what has happened in Cincinnati, just without watching the film disclaimer on Logan Wilson. I don't know if he does give you a whole lot of what you already don't have. I don't know if he adds anything here that you didn't already have on your roster.

[Travis]

My. And I go back to what I said last week. But it's a seven we were talking about. It's a seventh round, but it's nine million. That's what you're. That's what you're paying him. Regardless of what you gave up. You're paying him nine million. You're paying Kenneth Murray seven and a half. Everybody else you drafted. Right. So it's outside of sandboard the thing the linebacker is not the issue. Are they having bad reads? Yes. Why are they choosing the wrong hole? Because these guys are trying to run around the office of linemen that are coming up to block them. They are getting consumed by. They can't get off the blocks. So if you're telling me that this dude could can continuously shed 300 pound men off of them, that's what he's about to face too. You needed a dog in the middle and hopefully they get it. You need. I can't say names, but there's individuals that I have my eye on that could truly impact your D line. If you get that one person to play next to Kenny Clark, then you have three guys that have to block two guys. Now your defensive ends get one on one matchups and those guys are starting to come along last time I checked. Right.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

And you won't need to have five.

[Travis]

Down, five down lineman. So now you have four linemen that require five guys to block them. And now who's left to Go block your linebackers. All your linebackers running hit. There's. There's no question about Kendall. Linebackers running hit. You have athletic linebackers that love to run sideline to sideline. The problem is they are not able to shed the right. The shed the blocks of the offensive lineman, offensive lineman. Getting to the second level is your problem.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes. Get somebody in the middle and I, I agree just to clear it up enough.

[Travis]

But one person could be to improve.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A lot of other people and they, they may not be done yet. We'll get to that conversation here in a second. Just to clean it up. The cap hit for Logan Wilson this year is just 2.8.

[Cody]

That's fine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's it. That's all he's getting this year. And then there's a potential out after this season where they could have zero dead cap if they decided to cut it. So he could be a post June 1 cut that would be an out and Dallas would have no risk there. So there's that. If they decided to keep him him it would be 6.5 next year and it would be 7.2 in 2027. So it's not the. This is a contract that has been pushed forward and has already mostly been paid by Cincinnati because you're right over the four years of the deal it was 36 million which averages out to 9. Most of Cincinnati has already paid that. So you. The most you would have against your cap with a Logan Wilson on your roster would be in 2027 and that would be 7.2 to. I think they have all of this in mind to where if he doesn't play well, if he doesn't make an impact, they have the out. There's no dead cap and they can kind of get rid of that contract and then it's a rental for a player for only seven.

[Travis]

It's a rental but.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Or for a seventh round pick to make this decision.

[Travis]

You know, again, no disrespect to this young man. I don't care who they were going to bring in as a linebacker. You're pretty much saying we're moving on from three, maybe four linebackers after this year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, maybe that's what there's.

[Travis]

That's what this move states removing moving.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Very well could be.

[Travis]

All right now bye bye then. That's what you're pretty much saying. Jackson. All right now bye bye then.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Logan Wilson uninjured reserve by the way.

[Travis]

Yeah. Damone probably all right now bye bye then. Right.

[Cody]

So the most pro have him.

[Travis]

I get it. But I'm saying, but, but based upon your current roster and the roster, the linebackers that you currently have on your depth chart, when you're playing two linebackers at a time. Yeah. Where's everybody at? We just. So we're just accumulating specialists. I'm dead serious.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, it's true.

[Travis]

The Marvia overshone's coming back. Right. So you're gonna have Maris, Leofow, Shamar, James, Kenneth, Murray, Logan, Wilson. Who else? I say, I can't even tell everybody. You got like five or six dudes at that one position. Two can get on the field. They don't play three linebackers. They play two at most. Sometimes one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So with all of this being said.

[Travis]

You know what I'm saying, like, why are we accumulating linebacker?

[Kyle Yeomans]

All of this being said, I think we've all been up here, we've sat up here, we've had the debate, we've had the argument where we want edge rushers, you guys want defensive tackles, but we all kind of agree that you need something up front, you need something on your defensive line in order to make this all go. Do you feel like yesterday's. What was that?

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Safety also?

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You might need one of those too. The COVID safety. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I get it, I get it. You need multiple spots. But do you feel like they're done now based off of what yesterday gave you and the way that they gave you confidence from, from the performance against Arizona?

[Patrick Noi Walker]

God, I hope not. I hope there's more moves to be made. Please don't touch those first round picks though.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Keep the first rounders.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Keep them. Yeah. Hold them like your children, please.

[Travis]

I said this yesterday, last night on the postgame show. I think last night's loss has an impact on the aggressiveness of the front office. I think had they won, I think they would have been. It's not old.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

More inclined.

[Travis]

I would think they would be more inclined to be more aggressive today because they would have a greater incentive. I can agree to push towards the playoffs.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Now I think that you're like, ah, let's hold our pitch.

[Cody]

Now we're looking at late round picks, possible comps, things like that build for the future. I can agree with that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And, and I thought what Jerry Jones said on 105 3, the fan was interesting this morning. He said, I don't have the time to, to have a bad time. And he said that. He said, I'm not gonna wager the future. He did clean it up after the fact. He was like, I don't have time to sit here because of my age. He quoted it and allow for seasons to pass by. And he said, I'm very aware of that. But he also said I have the discipline to not hamstring the organization. And this is paraphrasing, of course, to go into the future. So he's in a tough spot one way or the other. But I think you're right. I think if you win that game and you're at.500 and your offense rebounds in the way that we anticipated the offense to rebound in, then maybe you're able to push the chips table. However your offense is, they've, for lack of a better term, laid an egg for two straight weeks. And when we were talking about the trades and we were talking about this opportunity for Dallas, it was, you don't want to waste this elite level offense for a bad defense.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

And now they're not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And now the. Exactly. Now the offense doesn't look like it has over the first couple weeks of the season other than Javante.

[Cody]

I mean, he's, he's, he doesn't have time for a bad time, but damn it, he's having a bad time right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

27:17 Cowboys fall to the Cardinals Week 9 We're going into the bye week, everybody, which means we only have one more show this week. It's tomorrow and we're going to take your phone.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

I like those words.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, we're going to take your phone calls. We're going to have. It's today, of course. Was supposed to be talking Tuesday, but it's after a Monday game. We're going to have on the wire Wednesday. How about that?

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Did you just come up with that?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I said it earlier but then I kind of refined it a little bit. But yeah, I came up with it this morning.

[Patrick Noi Walker]

Nice.

[Kyle Yeomans]

On the wire Wednesday.

[Travis]

The toilet.

[Kyle Yeomans]

888-855-2297. Give us a call tomorrow. We're going to talk to you. You going into the bye week for Patrick, Noi Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah, stand back. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yman saying so long from talking cowboys. We'll talk to you tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Cody]

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[Travis]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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