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Talking Real Money - Investing Talk
Hosted by Don McDonald · EN
Financial talk radio veteran, Don McDonald and former host of Serious Money on PBS, Tom Cock, join forces to talk about real money issues. In each episode, they solve real money problems, dole out real investing (not speculating) advice, and really explain the financial issues that effect all of us. Plus, it's actually fun! Talking Real Money is a podcast designed to provide the real help we all need to enjoy a really great future. Call in with your questions anytime at 855-935-TALK (8255).
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Hot IPOs, Cold Returns?
Jun 1000:28:14Tap to summarizeDon and Tom examine the coming wave of blockbuster IPOs, including rumored offerings from SpaceX, Anthropic, and OpenAI, and explain why investor excitement often leads to disappointing results. Drawing on research from Dimensional Fund Advisors and examples such as Uber, Facebook, and Groupon, they discuss the historical underperformance of IPOs and the dangers of buying into hype. They then answer a listener’s question about assets-under-management fees, explaining the broader planning, tax, behavioral, and retirement services provided by fiduciary advisors beyond portfolio construction. The episode concludes with a look at the growing number of highly speculative ETFs, including UFO-themed and meme-stock funds, and a warning that investors should focus on diversification and discipline rather than chasing the latest financial product.0:05 Summer IPO mania: SpaceX, Anthropic, OpenAI, and the hype machine1:24 SpaceX’s massive valuation and why investors are excited3:05 Anthropic and OpenAI join the trillion-dollar IPO conversation4:29 Comparing today’s IPO wave to the dot-com boom5:09 Why hot IPOs are usually a bad investment6:27 Dimensional research on IPO underperformance and liquidity concerns7:51 Uber, Facebook, Groupon, and other IPO cautionary tales8:50 Why even great companies can be poor investments at the wrong price9:45 Why disciplined firms delay adding IPOs to portfolios10:59 How to submit questions to Talking Real Money13:17 Listener question: Is a 1% AUM fee really worth it?15:20 What advisors actually do beyond portfolio management16:44 Vanguard’s research on advisor value17:12 Why large portfolios shouldn’t pay a flat 1% on all assets18:24 The emotional and behavioral benefits of professional advice20:29 How advisors help investors stay diversified21:45 The explosion of bizarre new ETFs22:49 UFO ETFs, meme-stock funds, and speculative product launches25:05 Why investors should be skeptical of niche ETFs and high feesQuestions? Comments? Click!
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What is Risk?
Jun 900:29:10Tap to summarizeDon and Tom explore the difference between smart risk and dumb risk in investing, sparked by new survey data showing younger investors increasingly believe they must take big risks to achieve their financial goals. They discuss the rise in stock trading, options speculation, and meme-stock behavior, contrasting those activities with evidence-based risks such as broad stock market investing, factor tilts, and maintaining efficient use of cash. They also answer a listener question from a recently retired investor concerned about market valuations and inflation, discussing small-value tilts, bond allocations, and the role of TIPS. Along the way, they wander into Roman and Han Dynasty history, retirement boredom, Don’s Civil War novel, podcast economics, and the launch of the newly redesigned Talking Real Money website.0:05 Podcasting economics, removing ads, and the realities of making money from podcasts2:34 Why investors believe they need to take bigger risks to reach financial goals4:26 The growth of indexing and the shift away from active investing4:59 FINRA survey shows younger investors embracing options and speculative trading6:25 Smart risk versus dumb risk and why experience changes risk perception7:04 Options, IPOs, hot stocks, crypto, and other forms of speculative risk8:07 Research on options trading success rates and why most traders lose money8:48 Individual stocks, market timing, and sector bets that historically have not paid off10:47 Risks that may be worth taking, including all-stock portfolios for younger investors11:22 The long-term case for owning the global economy through diversified stock funds11:55 Small-cap, value, profitability, and momentum factor tilts12:37 The hidden cost of idle cash and improving returns through better cash management13:42 Why inflation is guaranteed to beat most traditional bank savings accounts14:59 Roman and Han Dynasty history and what it says about long-term economic growth15:42 The new Talking Real Money website and easier ways to submit questions17:34 Listener question from a 58-year-old retiree using a Boglehead four-fund portfolio19:15 Whether adding a small-value tilt makes sense in retirement20:41 Thoughts on bond funds, TIPS, and inflation protection22:02 Short-term Treasury ETFs versus high-yield savings accounts23:11 Avoiding emotional reactions to market valuations24:03 Retirement longevity risk and planning for a potentially decades-long retirement24:52 Don discusses researching and writing The Line Uncrossed27:32 Meet-an-Advisor invitation and how the free portfolio review process worksQuestions? Comments? Click!
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Not Bogle's Vanguard
Jun 800:34:25Tap to summarizeDon and Tom question whether the investment industry—and increasingly Vanguard—keeps creating new products simply to stay relevant rather than solve real investor problems. They critique Vanguard’s new Target Retirement Lifetime Income Fund, which combines a target-date fund with an annuity, arguing that it sacrifices liquidity, introduces inflation risk, and obscures costs. They also take aim at Vanguard’s new Active/Passive Model Portfolio Series, suggesting it adds unnecessary complexity and market-timing assumptions to what should be a straightforward indexing approach. Listener questions cover the risks of holding 72% of retirement assets in an ESOP and whether a military family should replace a simple Schwab index-fund portfolio for their two-year-old daughter with AVGE. The episode closes with a plug for The Line Uncrossed and a discussion of the real-life Civil War experiences that inspired the novel.0:12 Do investors really need new products and new ideas?2:11 Vanguard’s Target Retirement Lifetime Income Fund and annuities in target-date funds4:29 Liquidity, inflation risk, and the tradeoffs of guaranteed retirement income7:44 Why immediate annuities often take years just to return your own principal9:16 Morningstar’s skepticism of guaranteed-income retirement products10:46 Vanguard’s new Dynamic Active Passive Model Portfolio Series12:42 Are active/passive hybrid portfolios solving a real problem?13:38 Has Vanguard lost its indexing compass?15:30 New Talking Real Money website features and submitting listener questions16:12 ESOP question: 72% of retirement assets tied to employer stock17:59 The dangers of concentrated company-stock positions21:29 Understanding ESOP returns versus traditional investments24:09 Why diversification matters more than past ESOP performance26:49 Using GI Bill benefits, a 529 plan, and a UTMA to fund a child’s future28:27 AVGE versus a simple total-market index portfolio for a young child29:42 Why simplicity may be good enough for long-term investing success30:35 Discussion of The Line Uncrossed and its Civil War inspiration31:41 John B. Anderson, Andersonville Prison, and the history behind the bookQuestions? Comments? Click!
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Stormy Q&A DAY
Jun 500:22:52Tap to summarizeDon records through a booming Florida thunderstorm while tackling five listener questions. He discusses a thoughtful strategy for using a UTMA account to teach investing and potentially fund a future Roth IRA, then provides a detailed overview of what goes into a true financial plan, including cash flow analysis, insurance, estate planning, tax strategy, retirement projections, and investment management. Another listener asks about investing for a long life, prompting Don to explain why maintaining a diversified portfolio and spending less than portfolio growth are the keys to retirement sustainability. He also addresses when retirees might safely move from a 4% withdrawal rate toward 5%, emphasizing flexibility over rigid rules. The episode concludes with a discussion of HSAs, explaining why they are often better spent during retirement rather than left to non-spousal heirs, who may face less favorable tax treatment.0:04 Florida thunderstorm opening and update on the new podcast website and question system2:35 Using a UTMA account as a teaching tool, harvesting gains for a child, and eventually funding a Roth IRA4:47 What a comprehensive financial plan actually includes beyond investments6:14 Gathering financial data, setting goals, cash flow analysis, and risk management7:42 Asset allocation, diversification, Monte Carlo simulations, and behavioral coaching8:28 Retirement planning, Social Security timing, Roth conversions, RMDs, and tax strategies10:23 Listener crediting the show for retirement confidence and asking about investing for longevity12:37 Why spending less than portfolio growth is the key to long-term retirement success14:15 Whether a 4% withdrawal rule can become 5% later in retirement15:45 Fixed versus flexible withdrawal strategies and how age affects sustainable spending17:49 HSA withdrawal decisions in retirement and inheritance considerations19:31 Why HSAs generally should be spent rather than preserved for non-spousal heirs20:52 Meet-an-Advisor invitation and how portfolio reviews can uncover hidden risksQuestions? Comments? Click!
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Worried About Inflation?
Jun 400:32:19Tap to summarizeDon and Tom tackle investors’ obsession with inflation protection and the financial industry’s willingness to sell expensive products that promise impossible outcomes. Using PIMCO’s Inflation Response Multi-Asset Fund as a case study, they explain why complex, high-cost inflation hedges often create more problems than they solve. The discussion explores historical inflation, why stocks remain the most effective long-term defense against rising prices, and the dangers of chasing investment magic. Listener questions cover retirement asset allocation at age 50, the role of bonds as retirement approaches, balancing Roth and traditional retirement contributions in a high-tax state, and the surprisingly small impact of foreign tax credits on international fund returns.0:05 Why investors constantly search for inflation-proof portfolios2:09 Historical inflation, Fed targets, and perspective on rising prices5:47 The endless appeal of inflation hedges6:15 Breaking down PIMCO’s Inflation Response Multi-Asset Fund8:09 Why TIPS, commodities, and leverage aren’t magic solutions10:57 Stocks as the best long-term inflation defense12:39 Listener question: Moving from 100% stocks toward retirement14:15 Risk tolerance versus age-based allocation formulas15:58 Building a bond allocation before retirement17:26 Small-cap value and international diversification considerations19:24 Roth versus traditional 401(k) contributions in New York21:44 The value of tax diversification and multiple retirement account types23:13 Countries that operate without personal income taxes24:19 Understanding foreign tax credits and international funds27:58 Why tiny tax differences shouldn’t drive investment decisions28:14 Celebrating 1,900 Talking Real Money podcast episodes29:09 An advisor shares how the podcast helps her growing practice30:26 Working with a fiduciary advisor at AppellaQuestions? Comments? Click!
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Can You Retire?
Jun 300:29:30Tap to summarizeMost Americans are far less prepared for retirement than many assume. Don and Tom discuss new Federal Reserve data showing that only about half of Americans have retirement accounts, the median retirement balance is just $200,000, and only a tiny percentage of retirees have more than $1 million saved. They explain why starting early, saving consistently, and avoiding speculative investing matter far more than chasing hot stocks or market trends. The episode also covers Social Security misconceptions, the challenges of retiring on limited income, concerns about Schwab’s Teen Investor Account, and the importance of teaching young people disciplined long-term investing habits.0:11 How many Americans actually have enough saved for retirement?2:08 Federal Reserve data on retirement account ownership3:18 The surprisingly low median retirement balance4:47 Why advisors chase million-dollar clients5:07 Income, education, and retirement savings disparities7:06 Homeownership and wealth accumulation8:25 The importance of simply getting started9:41 Why Fidelity says it takes roughly 27 years to reach $1 million10:56 Saving versus investing and the dangers of speculation12:03 Leaving retirement money alone during market and life crises14:08 Bellevue, Nebraska caller asks about Social Security earnings limits15:11 Social Security taxation and claiming considerations16:32 Discussion of Edward Jones and advisor relationships19:29 Can a 76-year-old buy a home with $400 monthly payments?21:44 Schwab Teen Investor Account review22:39 Why Don dislikes stock-picking education for teenagers25:12 How custodians profit from trading activity26:35 Better ways to teach young people about investing27:31 Free advisor meetings and listener resourcesQuestions? Comments? Click!
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Calculating Your Future
Jun 200:38:46Tap to summarizeDon and Tom tackle a Wall Street Journal financial decision-making quiz that explores how to prioritize competing goals such as retirement savings, high-interest debt, mortgages, and student loans. The discussion highlights the importance of employer matching contributions, the damaging impact of credit card debt, and the reality that many financial decisions depend on individual circumstances and risk tolerance. They then answer listener questions about retirement portfolio allocation, Fisher Investments’ sales tactics and fees, stock ownership concentration among wealthy Americans, and whether a federal retiree should consolidate TSP assets into a Vanguard IRA. The episode emphasizes building a financial plan before making allocation changes, avoiding market predictions, and simplifying finances where possible.0:00 Wall Street Journal financial decision-making quiz begins1:23 Prioritizing 401(k) matches versus high-interest debt4:31 When to pay down credit cards instead of investing more5:20 Borrowing from a 401(k) to eliminate 22% credit card debt6:07 Mortgage payoff versus other debt reduction strategies7:55 Mortgage prepayment versus additional retirement savings9:35 Building a hierarchy for financial priorities11:07 Listener Bob asks about retirement readiness and portfolio allocation13:02 Fisher Investments’ fees, sales tactics, and active management claims16:15 Why retirement planning should come before allocation decisions19:40 Stock ownership concentration among the wealthiest Americans22:03 Why markets are not a zero-sum game23:51 Will retiring Baby Boomers hurt stock prices?25:52 Listener asks about consolidating TSP and Vanguard retirement accounts29:18 Comparing Vanguard and TSP target-date fund allocations31:57 Benefits of simplifying and consolidating retirement accounts35:06 Don discusses sales and distribution of The Line UncrossedQuestions? Comments? Click!
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Retirement Mistakes
Jun 100:38:59Tap to summarizeDon and Tom tackle some of the most common retirement planning mistakes, with a particular focus on taxes and the danger of becoming overly obsessed with them. They discuss taxable Social Security benefits, the importance of diversifying across account types, Roth conversion considerations, tax-loss harvesting, and why most retirement decisions ultimately fall into the category of “it depends.” They also answer a listener question about navigating poor 403(b) plan options and the advantages of a 457 plan for educators. Finally, they dive deep into a thoughtful challenge from a listener regarding Avantis and Dimensional factor funds versus traditional Vanguard index funds, examining the evidence for factor tilts, the role of risk premiums, costs, and whether higher expected returns justify modestly higher expense ratios.0:05 Retirement planning mistakes, taxes, retirement income, financial independence, retirement readiness1:58 Tax obsession, retirement taxes, income planning, financial priorities, wealth management2:43 Social Security taxation, taxable benefits, retirement income, Social Security myths, tax planning5:14 Tax diversification, traditional 401(k), Roth accounts, brokerage accounts, retirement savings7:57 Roth IRA, young investors, compound growth, retirement investing, tax-free income9:11 Tax-loss harvesting, brokerage accounts, capital gains, tax strategy, investment management10:03 Roth conversions, Medicare IRMAA, retirement taxes, financial planning, tax efficiency12:03 Inherited IRAs, heirs, estate planning, retirement accounts, legacy planning13:35 403(b) plans, 457 plans, retirement savings, school employees, listener question15:29 403(b) Wise, 457B Wiser, educator retirement plans, high fees, retirement options18:35 Roth IRA investing, small-cap funds, emerging markets, diversification, asset allocation19:38 Avantis funds, Dimensional funds, Vanguard funds, factor investing, index investing23:55 Fama-French research, small-value premium, indexing, active management, factor premiums26:08 Rules-based investing, passive investing, factor tilts, portfolio construction, diversification27:02 Small-cap value investing, fund performance, index comparisons, advisor value, investment returns30:25 International small value, emerging markets, factor premiums, diversification, expected returns32:55 Academic investing research, Nobel Prize economics, risk premiums, value investing, factor investing35:18 Portfolio construction, asset allocation, diversification, retirement planning, investment strategy36:16 Free portfolio review, financial advice, portfolio allocation, retirement readiness, fiduciary planningQuestions? Comments? Click!
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Question Feast
May 2900:24:50Tap to summarizeDon celebrates the continued success of the Friday Q&A format and the encouraging first week of sales for his novel The Line Uncrossed, including a strong Kirkus review, before tackling a series of listener questions centered on retirement income and fixed income investing. He explains how his combination of cash reserves, a CD ladder, and bond funds supports a disciplined withdrawal strategy, discusses why diversified bond funds like BND still play an important role in reducing portfolio volatility, rejects the idea that Social Security and pension income should be counted as bond allocations within an investment portfolio, argues against the concept of a reverse glide path that increases stock exposure later in retirement, and shares lessons learned from decades of entrepreneurship about balancing investments in a business versus the market. Throughout the episode, he emphasizes diversification, discipline, investor behavior, and the importance of managing volatility rather than chasing returns.0:05 Why listener questions remain Don’s favorite part of talk radio after 40+ years1:16 Friday Q&A episodes continue to be the most downloaded shows each week1:50 Easier ways to submit questions through the redesigned Talking Real Money website2:42 First-week sales update on The Line Uncrossed and reader support3:21 Positive Kirkus review and details on the ebook bundle4:48 How Don uses cash, bond funds, and a CD ladder during retirement8:00 Why BND and total bond market funds remain useful fixed income tools11:22 Should Social Security and pensions count as bonds in your allocation?14:26 Why Don believes reverse glide paths are a bad retirement strategy17:34 Investing in your own business versus investing in the market21:23 Why compliance reviews delay listener questions from airingQuestions? Comments? Click!
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You're Right, Of Course
May 2800:29:44Tap to summarizeThis episode of Talking Real Money examines why financial advice so often turns into emotional debate instead of productive problem-solving. Don and Tom discuss how investors routinely underestimate spending, cling emotionally to employer stock, and defend strategies like dividend chasing, covered calls, crypto, or gold despite decades of evidence favoring diversified investing. They answer a listener question about aggressively paying down a 6.625% adjustable-rate mortgage versus maintaining liquidity, warn about commissioned advisors circling employees receiving RSU payouts, and correct a previous mistake regarding Roth employer matches under Secure 2.0 legislation. Along the way, the hosts mix humor, blunt honesty, and personal stories about why changing financial behavior is far harder than simply explaining the math.0:05 Are listeners looking for advice, validation, or just an argument?0:58 “Two old white guys waiting to die on a podcast” and why changing investor behavior is so difficult1:24 Basis points complaints and arguing over financial terminology2:21 Why financial planning conversations often become debates3:16 Most people underestimate how much they actually spend4:04 Net income minus savings equals spending, whether you admit it or not4:59 Growing up arguing in big families and learning debate skills early5:53 Emotional attachment to employer stock and concentration risk6:19 Microsoft, Enron, Washington Mutual, and the danger of loyalty investing7:02 Why many individual stocks underperform for long stretches7:42 Covered calls, dividend strategies, and belief in “secret” investing systems8:16 Why Don and Tom remain skeptical of crypto, gold, and speculative investing9:16 Their investing philosophy comes from peer-reviewed academic research, not hunches10:17 If you call for portfolio help, don’t expect automatic validation11:23 Listener Jim asks whether to aggressively pay down his adjustable-rate mortgage12:17 Extra principal payments versus saving cash to pay off the mortgage later13:12 Why a 6.625% mortgage changes the payoff math14:35 Liquidity concerns versus the emotional appeal of being debt-free15:06 Mortgage recasting explained and reducing future interest costs17:39 Regret over not refinancing during ultra-low-rate years18:10 Why peace of mind sometimes outweighs financial optimization18:50 “Paper argues badly” and the transition into listener emails18:59 RSU sharks circling a listener with a large restricted stock payout19:48 Wealth managers aggressively targeting employees cashing out company stock20:47 Warning signs of commissioned annuity sales disguised as “help”21:48 Why concentrated company stock remains risky even after huge gains22:24 Recalling the advisor who openly admitted to a 10% annuity commission22:41 Retirement quiz follow-up and correcting a Roth 401(k) mistake23:01 Secure 2.0 technically allows Roth employer matches in 401(k)s24:09 Why most employers still don’t offer Roth matching contributions24:36 Tax uncertainty and the value of maintaining both Roth and pre-tax accounts25:33 Tom admits he occasionally tells players when he missed a call as a referee26:05 Encouraging listeners to argue, ask questions, and engage with the show27:02 Offering free portfolio consultations without annuity sales pressure27:39 Joking about becoming annuity salesmen after all these yearsQuestions? Comments? Click!
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