PREVIEW: The Friday Edition - 10 cabinet secretaries you haven't heard of.

Summary

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Tangle Podcast Summary: "The Friday Edition – 10 Cabinet Secretaries You Haven't Heard Of"

Date: October 3, 2025
Host: Will Kaback (Senior Editor, Tangle)
Episode Theme:
A deep dive into lesser-known—but highly influential—Trump cabinet secretaries shaping U.S. policy in critical areas quietly, outside of the daily news cycle.

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Overview

This episode shines a light on ten cabinet secretaries in the Trump Administration whose work rarely makes major headlines but has a major impact on sectors like agriculture, energy, natural resources, veteran services, and small business. The host, Will Kaback, provides concise bios, outlines their most significant actions so far, and shares perspectives from both supporters and critics to offer a balanced picture of their performance and policy direction.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Brooke Rollins – Secretary of Agriculture

[03:11–10:27]

• Background:

  • Former head of America First Policy Institute and Domestic Policy Council under Trump; deep Texas public policy and farming experience.
  • Confirmed by the Senate 72–28.

• Core Initiatives:

  • Connects agriculture, national security, and foreign investment policy.
  • Released "Farm Security is National Security Action Plan"—a 7-point strategic roadmap.
  • Focus on preventing foreign adversarial ownership of U.S. farmland:
    • Partnered with Treasury for more say in the Committee on Foreign Investment.
    • Launched a public reporting portal for foreign farmland purchases.
  • Ordered a major USDA reorganization:
    • Cut salaries/moved jobs out of DC.
    • Ended DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) programs on her first day.
  • Oversaw the distribution of billions in support to farmers.
  • USDA & DOJ to jointly tackle rising input prices via antitrust.
  • New action to prevent New World Screwworm outbreak in U.S. cattle.

• Supporters Say:

  • Her leadership and policy chops make her effective.
  • Praise for transparency on foreign farmland issues.
  • Efforts to streamline, prevent disease outbreaks commended.

• Critics Say:

  • Fears over abrupt reorganization and lack of Congressional input.
  • Worries of mass employee resignations ("18,000 employees have left since January").
  • Ending DEI programs and relocation viewed as damaging.
  • Skepticism of her position on "Climate Smart Commodities Initiative."
  • Diplomatic headaches: Complained to Treasury about soybean sales to China, giving China leverage amid weak U.S. exports.

• Memorable Quote:

  • "President Trump has committed to a bailout for farmers and will make an announcement on it likely next week." (Brooke Rollins on Fox Business, paraphrased by host, [09:40])

• What’s Next:

  • Push for a new farm bailout bill with Senate Majority Leader John Thune.

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2. Chris Wright – Secretary of Energy

[10:27–11:36]

• Background:

  • Energy entrepreneur, nuclear and geothermal advocate, scientist (MIT & Caltech), fracking innovator.
  • Confirmed 59–38.

• Core Initiatives:

  • Shift away from climate change mitigation to expanding U.S. energy production.
  • Early actions:
    • Increased Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
    • Reopened LNG (liquid natural gas) export opportunities.
    • Modernizing/nationalizing power grid security.
    • Stockpiling uranium, advancing nuclear energy (3 new reactors by 2026).
  • Views himself as a "climate realist."
    • Skeptical of renewables' ability to replace fossil fuels.
    • Cut $3.7B in clean tech and carbon sequestration investments.
    • Announced at the UN cancelation of $13B renewable/electric car programs.
    • Department banned words like "climate change," "green," and "decarbonization."

• Supporters Say:

  • Brings real-world and science-business expertise.
  • Praised as "realistic" in energy policy; investments in nuclear seen as a smart hedge.

• Critics Say:

  • Accused of new form of climate denial, favoring fossil fuels over existential threats.
  • EU climate commissioner called policies "concerning and problematic."
  • Research into climate issues called "cherry-picked."

• Memorable Quotes:

  • "A nuclear weapons arsenal should go hand in hand with nuclear energy and not be used as a deterrent." (Chris Wright, paraphrased by host, [11:01])

• What’s Next:

  • Continued fossil fuel prioritization, nuclear fast-tracking, AI supply chain investments.
  • Awaiting policies for modernizing energy infrastructure.

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3. Doug Burgum – Secretary of the Interior

[11:36–15:44]

• Background:

  • Former ND governor, tech entrepreneur, 2024 GOP presidential candidate.
  • Confirmed 79–18.

• Core Initiatives:

  • 6 Secretary’s Orders on Day One:
    • Drive domestic energy production (especially oil, gas, coal, critical minerals).
    • Orders cut permitting wait times to 28 days for energy projects on federal land (excludes wind & solar).
  • Opened Arctic/Alaska regions for expedited oil/gas leasing.
  • Easing mining/processing for critical minerals (diversify U.S. away from China).
  • Overturning Biden-era environmental protections in Alaska:
    • Opened half of the National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska’s North Slope for drilling.
    • Supported pipelines and mines for export.

• Supporters Say:

  • Fuel sector relief; breaking dependence on foreign minerals.
  • Praised for "pro-American energy approach" and rural community support.

• Critics Say:

  • Exclusion of renewables (wind, solar) seen as a purely political move.
  • "Upending public land management... irreparable harm to the West’s landscapes, wildlife habitats, climate, and communities." (Center for Western Priorities, [14:55])
  • Allegations he’s betraying his "all of the above" energy campaign claims.

• What’s Next:

  • Watch for continued opening of lands to fossil fuels, especially coal (13.1 million acres for mining just opened).
  • Key role in Alaska land/resource development and critical mineral supply chains.

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4. Doug Collins – Secretary of Veterans Affairs

[15:44–20:11]

• Background:

  • Pastor, lawyer, Air Force Reserve chaplain (colonel), former House Representative (GA).
  • VA Secretary confirmed 77–23.

• Core Initiatives:

  • Eliminated DEI programs, reallocating $14M to health programs.
  • Revised VA flag policy: Only U.S. and POW/MIA flags allowed.
  • Cut costs, targeting a 30,000 person workforce reduction.
  • Uncovered $98M in redirected funds for veterans’ health.
  • Expanded community care, allowing veterans more access to private health providers.
  • Enhanced digital tools for homeless/support/suicide prevention.

• Supporters Say:

  • Veteran experience appreciated.
  • Cuts might improve efficiency; organizations like Mission Roll Call support restructuring.
  • Advocates praise responsiveness to veteran feedback.

• Critics Say:

  • Doctors opposed to funding/staffing cuts, fear adverse impact on care.
  • Doubts about private care adequately serving unique veteran needs.
  • Democrats argue over-reliance on private sector "abdicates VA's responsibility."

• Memorable Quote:

  • "His restructuring might improve conditions for veterans overall." (Mission Roll Call, [18:15])

• What’s Next:

  • New staffing caps in effect department-wide.
  • Requested a 10% budget increase (with big boost for community care, but 17% cut to VA-run medical care).

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5. Kelly Loeffler – Administrator, Small Business Administration (SBA)

[20:28–22:18]

• Background:

  • Former Georgia senator, finance/venture executive.
  • Confirmed 52–46.

• Core Initiatives:

  • Site-wide financial audit, large workforce and office reorganization, absorbed federal Student Aid office.
  • Cut 40% of SBA staff.
  • Launched "Made in America Manufacturing Initiative":
    • Converts Office of International Trade to Office of Manufacturing & Trade.
    • Focus on domestic production, regulatory reform, workforce, and supply chain.
  • Full review of SBA’s "8A program" due to contractor fraud concerns.
  • Directed SBA lenders to stop "debanking" of clients based on politics/religion.

• Supporters Say:

  • Effective handling of tariff disruptions, regulatory relief, and small business support.
  • Chamber of Commerce praised her—"advocating for regulatory relief."

• Critics:

  • Not covered in preview; likely discussed in full episode.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Farm Security:
  • “The Department of Agriculture is now tied to national security as never before. Farm security is national security.” (Brooke Rollins via host, [04:45])
• On Energy Priorities:
  • "A nuclear weapons arsenal should go hand in hand with nuclear energy, and not be used as a deterrent." (Chris Wright [11:01])
• On Public Land Risks:
  • "His secretary's orders will upend public land management and cause irreparable harm to the West’s landscapes, wildlife habitats, climate, and communities." (Center for Western Priorities on Burgum, [14:55])
• On VA Restructuring:
  • "His restructuring might improve conditions for veterans overall." (Mission Roll Call via host, [18:50])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• (01:57) – Podcast episode intro with overview of topic and lineup.
• (03:11) – Brooke Rollins, Agriculture Secretary deep dive.
• (10:27) – Chris Wright, Energy Secretary.
• (11:36) – Doug Burgum, Secretary of the Interior.
• (15:44) – Doug Collins, Secretary of Veterans Affairs.
• (20:28) – Kelly Loeffler, SBA Administrator.

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Final Notes

• The episode provides a comprehensive, nonpartisan look at policy direction under less-publicized Trump administration leaders, focusing on their backgrounds, initial actions, and political crosshairs.
• The host balances supportive arguments with criticism for each official, keeping Tangle’s promise of addressing the spectrum of political opinions.
• Discussion was abruptly cut off for non-premium listeners after the Loeffler segment.

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Hi everyone and welcome to the Tangle Friday edition. I'm senior editor Will Kbach and today we're going to be covering the Cabinet secretaries you haven't heard about. The first eight months of the second Trump administration have been headlined by several prominent cabinet members Marco Rubio, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Tulsi Gabbard, Krissy Noem, Scott Besant and Pam Bondi, among others. These leaders have undertaken wide ranging initiatives to carry out the president's agenda, drawing regular coverage and analysis of their actions. But a quieter group of department heads has also been shaping policies, implementing programs and making consequential decisions, often without the same degree of media attention. So today we're going to pull back the curtain on 10 Trump administration leaders whose work does not always grab the headlines, but touches on key issues like agriculture, housing policy, the labor market, international aid, the environment and more. In Trutangle fashion. We'll give an overview of their core initiatives so far, what their supporters and critics are saying, and the issues that will define the remainder of their time in office.

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First up, we have Brooke Rollins, Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins was the founding president and CEO of the America First Policy Institute, a conservative think tank launched in 2021 to boost Trump's policies. AFPI employed many officials from Trump's first presidency, and several former AFPI employees now hold senior positions in the current administration. Before founding afpi, Rollins held multiple roles in the first Trump administration, including director of the Domestic Policy Council. She has also served as former Texas governor Rick Perry's policy director and ran the Texas Public Policy foundation, another conservative think tank. The Senate confirmed Rollins as Agriculture secretary in a 7228 vote. Since Rollins first days in office, she has linked the Department of Agriculture with National Security, along with the Departments of Defense, Homeland Security and Justice. The USDA released a Farm Security is National Security Action Plan, which outlines seven critical areas for the USDA to address. One of these areas was ownership of American farmland by adversarial governments. Rollins signed a memorandum of understanding with the Treasury Department to give USDA more involvement on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, completing a partnership kicked off by Congress last year. Additionally, Rollins released a map of foreign farm land purchases and a web portal for individuals to report instances of foreign governments influencing American politicians with respect to the sale of American farmland. Rollins also ordered a USDA reorganization, cutting salaries, moving jobs out of Washington, D.C. and ending USDA diversity, equity and inclusion programs. On her first day in office. She has overseen the distribution of billions of dollars to farmers, and Rollins announced that USDA and DOJ antitrust attorneys would work together to combat rising input prices through farmers. She has also taken action to protect the US From New World Screwworm. Supporters say her experience as an executive of two large public policy organizations and lifelong involvement in farming will make her an effective Agriculture secretary. Since her confirmation, some industry leaders have conditionally endorsed the memoranda of understanding between DOJ and usda, calling on leaders to make sure it is properly applied. Others have commended her efforts to prevent New World Screwworm from infecting American cattle. Detractors have criticized Rollins decision to substantially reorganize and cut programs at USDA without forewarning or congressional oversight. Many worry that moving jobs out of D.C. will lead to additional resignations at a department that 18,000 employees have left since January. Others have criticized her comments surrounding the partnerships for Climate Smart Commodities Initiative, which focused on growing crops using practices that reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Rawlins and many other politicians have warned recently that farmers are in an economically perilous position. At the same time, photos of Treasury Secretary Scott Besant's phone showed a message seemingly sent by Rollins complaining that Argentina sold a bunch of soybeans to China at a time when we would normally be selling to China. Soy prices are dropping further because of it. This gives China more leverage on US Soybeans are the largest agricultural export of the United States, but retaliatory tariffs have made South American grown beans more competitive. On Tuesday, in her appearance on Fox, Businesses Making Money with Charles Payne, Rollins said that President Trump has committed to a bailout for farmers and will make an announcement on it likely next week. Rollins will probably work with Senate Majority Leader John Thune to try to shepherd a farm bailout bill through Congress. Next up is Energy Secretary Chris Wright. Chris Wright is an energy entrepreneur best known for founding hydraulic fracture or fracking mapping company Pinnacle Technologies and serving as its CEO. From 1992 to 2006, Wright led several other shale energy retraction companies, most recently Liberty Energy, and has participated in efforts to tap shale for geothermal energy and develop small modular nuclear reactors. Wright is a scientist who studied at MIT and Caltech, and he was confirmed by the Senate in a 5938 vote in February. Wright has broadly shifted the Department of Energy's focus towards energy sources and infrastructure, but away from managing the environmental effects of converting those sources into energy. In his opening remarks to DOE staff, Wright articulated his belief that the rising demand for energy fueled by AI necessitated both new innovations and a commitment to US Fossil fuels, particularly natural gas. As a self proclaimed climate realist, Wright has also expressed skepticism that intermittent renewable energy sources such as solar, wind and hydroelectricity can replace fossil fuels. One of Wright's first secretarial orders authorized an increase in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, resumed consideration of trading partners for exporting liquid natural gas, and encouraged modernization in the efficiency and security of the US Power grids. Relatedly, Wright has undertaken efforts to streamline regulations at U.S. national laboratories and to stockpile uranium reserves, remarking that a nuclear weapons arsenal should go hand in hand with nuclear energy and not be used as a deterrent. Wright also sees investing in critical minerals, efficient manufacturing and the AI supply chain as part of his Department's remit. Conversely, Wright does not see responding to or managing climate change as a priority for the DoE. As part of an undertaking to reduce waste, Wright has terminated roughly $3.7 billion of investments into clean energy technology and carbon sequestration. Wright announced to the UN last week that he would be canceling $13 billion in investments in renewable energies and electric cars, which he said do not lead towards decarbonization and perhaps the largest headline the DOE has garnered under his leadership. The Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy added climate change, green and decarbonization to its growing list of words to avoid. Wright's supporters say that his attitude towards fossil fuels and dual background in science and business make him an ideal Secretary of Energy. Others applaud Wright's approach towards fossil fuels, calling his opinions realistic and saying that the government benefits from his opposition to the crisis mindset of the climate change industry. Some also dispute his label as a climate denier, instead pointing out his investments in nuclear and geothermal energy. Opponents label Ride's philosophy a kind of new denial of climate change, saying his refusal to admit the existential nature of the climate threat makes him a favorite of the fossil fuel industry. Others criticized the research he commissioned into climate change, saying the authors were cherry picked and its results did not convincingly support Wright's goal to downplay the crisis. The European Union's climate commissioner, Wobke Hoekstra, said the DOE under Wright was doing the opposite of what Europe is doing and referred to Wright's policies as concerning and problematic. Wright has already undertaken steps to shift the DOE's focus to energy sources, but the policies he will put forward to modernize energy infrastructure are still unknown. In a recent development, the DOE is now taking proposals for developing data centers at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. The DOE underwrite will likely continue to invest in natural gas or oil, nuclear energy and coal while divesting from carbon sequestration and green energy. Following executive orders signed by President Trump, Wright announced the reactor pilot program to fast track nuclear energy development with the goal of putting three advanced reactors into production by 2026.

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Now on to Doug Burgum, the Secretary of the Interior. Burgum is the former governor of North Dakota, serving in that role from 2016 to 2024. Before politics, he had a notable career as a businessman, assuming leadership of a North Dakota based accounting software company and taking it public before selling it to Microsoft. Burgum ran for the Republican nomination for president in the 2024 election, but suspended his campaign in December 2023. He later endorsed President Trump and was considered a short list candidate to be Trump's running mate. The Senate confirmed Burgum as Interior secretary in a 79 to 18 vote in January. Now here's what Burgum's done. On his first day in office, Burgum signed six Secretary's Orders, which are formal directives outlining department priorities broadly focused on increasing energy production and reducing energy costs. Order 3417 directed the Department to use emergency legal authorities to accelerate domestic energy and critical mineral production, permitting and infrastructure projects, while Order 3420 moved to reopen parts of the Arctic and other regions for expedited oil and gas leasing on the Outer Continental Shelf. In April, he published plans for emergency permitting procedures that would cut permit processing timelines for energy related projects on federal lands to no more than 28 days. Energy sources like crude oil, natural gas, coal and others were included on the list of qualifying projects, though wind and solar were not. Burgum has argued that the United States has over incentivized renewable energy production, claiming that these energy sources cannot keep up with rising energy demands. Separately, the Department has taken steps to streamline the mining and processing of critical minerals, which Burgum said will move the US Away from its reliance on China for these materials. Finally, the Interior Secretary has outlined plans to allow new oil and gas leases on federal land in Alaska, overturning protections put in place by the Biden administration. In June, Burgum visited Alaska and officially announced that the Trump administration will lift environmental protections on approximately half of the National Petroleum Reserve on Alaska's North Slope. Furthermore, the Department of the Interior is working to transfer federal land to the state to support construction of a pipeline to transport liquefied natural gas for export and on a road to support a planned copper and zinc mine in northern Alaska. Now here's what some of Burgum's supporters and critics are saying. Supporters have praised Burgum's deregulatory moves to boost production of fuel sources like coal, arguing that these measures will help reduce energy costs. Others have endorsed Bergam's efforts to increase recovery of critical minerals to help the United States break free from its reliance on China for these materials. Several major agricultural and energy groups have also expressed support for Bergamot. The National Cattlemen's Beef association and Public Lands Council noted his, quote, proven record of supporting rural communities and promoting a balanced approach to energy development and conservation, while the American Petroleum Institute praised his, quote, pro American energy approach to federal leasing, end quote. Now critics have questioned Burgum's decision to exclude renewable energy sources like wind from his energy agenda, noting the discrepancy between the all of the above approach he endorsed during his confirmation process and his actions now that he's in office. They suggest Burgum's hostile posture towards wind is solely to placate President Trump and is depriving the US Of a key energy source. Others, like the center for Western Priorities have argued that his secretary's orders will upend public land management and cause irreparable harm to the West's landscapes, wildlife habitats, climate and communities, end quote, highlighting the risk of moves like scaling back habitat protections and eliminating resource management plans. What's next for Burgum? Well, his ongoing efforts to reshape U.S. energy and land policy will be a major story to watch in the months ahead, including how he manages resource development in Alaska and seeks to bolster critical mineral supply chains. Furthermore, keep an eye on his deregulatory moves. On Monday, the Interior Department announced it would open 13.1 million acres of federal land for coal mining and reduce companies royalty rates to extract coal. Burgum highlighted rising global coal demand, particularly in China, arguing it was essential for the US to keep pace in production. The new policy suggests that the department will continue to emphasize fossil fuel production as part of its energy agenda.

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Next up is Doug Collins, Secretary of Veterans Affairs. Doug Collins is a former pastor and lawyer from Georgia. He served in the Georgia State House of Representatives from 2007 to 2013 and in the U.S. house of Representatives from 2013 to 2021. Collins also served as a U.S. navy Reserve chaplain in the 1980s, then rejoined the military as an Air Force Reserve chaplain after the 911 terrorist attacks, completing a tour in Iraq from 2008 to 2009. Collins remains an active chaplain and a colonel in the Air Force Reserve. He was confirmed by the Senate to his position with a vote of 77 to 23. Collins has focused much of his early tenure on reducing waste in the Department of Veterans affairs and cutting back on DEI programs. The department claims that the elimination of DEI programs reallocated $14 million to Veterans Health care programs. It also revised its flag policy to allow only the US And Prisoner of War Missing in Action flags to be flown at VA locations. Various offices have also reduced costs by cutting personnel and contracts, and the VA Department as a whole expects to reduce its workforce by nearly 30,000 people by the end of fiscal year 2025. Collins has also promised to protect and improve healthcare for veterans. In February, the VA announced that it had discovered and redirected an additional $98 million to Veterans Health Initiatives. Collins has focused on expanding community care access, making it easier for veterans to seek health care outside of VA facilities using their VA coverage. The VA also expanded its Status Query and Response Exchange System, a digital tool originally designed to reduce veteran homelessness, to offer support and suicide prevention as well. Veterans organizations like the Wounded Warrior Project expressed their support for Collins nomination and confirmation in January, citing his military experience. Additionally, when supporting Collins nomination, Luke's Wing CEO cited Collins support of expanding community care for veterans as signaling his commitment to improving healthcare. Additionally, when supporting Collins nomination, the CEO of Luke's Wings cited Collins support of expanding community care for veterans as signaling his commitment to improving healthcare. The veterans organization Mission Roll Call has since supported Collins cuts to the department, arguing that his restructuring might improve conditions for veterans overall. Additionally, the Veterans of Foreign wars praised Collins willingness to hear their concerns and adjust plans to reduce staff in the VA department. However, some critics, including VA doctors, have expressed dismay about funding cuts to the department, worrying that the cuts may have undue impacts on health care for veterans. Other opponents argue that the private sector cannot address all of veterans needs adequately and emphasizing community care will close VA clinics that are better suited to veterans unique needs. Meanwhile, Democratic politicians have also criticized the push for increased community care access for the same reasons, arguing that overemphasizing the private sector abdicates the VA's responsibility to coordinate care. Collins will likely continue his focus on slimming down the department while prioritizing veterans health benefits. This week, the VA has implemented baseline staffing caps in each of its departments based on Secretary Collins recommendations, which will likely be enforced shortly. Collins has also been attending and speaking at various veterans events to promote some of his priorities like suicide prevention. Additionally, Collins requested a 10% budget increase in fiscal year 2026 to fund more VA benefits programs. Notably, the budget request included a 50% increase in discretionary funding for community care, but a 17% decrease in discretionary funding for VA provided.

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Next, Kelly Loeffler, Administrator of the Small Business Administration. Loeffler is a former U.S. senator representing Georgia from 2020 to 2021 after she was appointed to fill a vacant seat. She ran to remain in the seat in Georgia's 2021 special election, but lost to Democratic candidate Raphael Warnock. Before politics, she was a finance executive and venture capitalist, serving in executive roles at several major companies. The Senate confirmed her as Administrator of the Small Business Administration, the SBA in February in a 52 to 46 vote. Loeffler's tenure has centered on reorganizing the agency, implementing regulatory reform and boosting US Manufacturing. Her Day one priorities called for an agency wide financial audit and she has initiated large workforce cuts and agency restructuring, including relocating regional offices and absorbing the federal Student Aid office. As part of the restructuring, the SBA has cut 40% of its workforce. A centerpiece of her agenda is the Made in America Manufacturing Initiative announced in March, which reorients the SBA's Office of International Trade into an Office of Manufacturing and Trade. This program aims to strengthen domestic manufacturing by easing regulatory burdens and investing in workforce development and supply chain security. Other notable activity in Loeffler's first month includes a full scale audit of the SBA's 8A program to address potential fraud among government contractors in financial services. Loeffler has implemented a directive to SBA lenders to stop debanking, denying services based on political or religious views, and enforce fair access to financial services. Now, here's what supporters and critics are saying. Some outlets have reported favorably on Loeffler's management of tariff related disruptions and her efforts to support President Trump's policies for small businesses. Broadly, she has maintained support from groups like the US Chamber of Commerce, which praised her for, quote, advocating for regulatory relief and rear hey everybody, this is.

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