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Good morning, good afternoon and good evening and welcome to the Tangle Podcast. As our news publication continues to grow, one of my goals is to expand our stable of writers. We want more people writing under the Tangled banner who can represent the center, center left, center right, the progressive left and the MAGA right, and those of us like me who just find ourselves complicated, confused and mixed up in today's political alignment. One such fascinating person is Megan Phelps Roper, the political activist and writer who is best known for leaving the Westboro Baptist Church. The church founded by Phelps Roper's grandfather is widely regarded as a hate group. Her departure and then role as one of its chief critics became a national news story. A few weeks ago, Phelps Roper and podcast producer Andy Mills reached out to me about a new show they were working on, one in which she revisits her childhood upbringing and reflects on what she's lost by leaving the church. I was fascinated by the pitch and excited to learn that Phelps Roper was interested in writing about it for Tangle. So today I'm thrilled to share her essay reflecting on her departure from the Westboro Baptist Church, but also the ways in which she feels like her religious upbringing has never left her and how she's trying in some ways to return to it. I hope you enjoy and here's Megan Phelps Roper.
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When I was a kid, my mom would convene our family to do some reading in the living room. That was always what we called it, never Bible study, which is what we were actually doing. We had these gatherings almost every night for as far back as my memory goes. Those of us who were old enough to read would bring our Bibles or later our laptops or phones, and we would take our places in our rectangle of couches. We had enough seats to accommodate what would eventually be 11 kids. Sam, Josh, Megan, that's me, Becca, Isaiah, Zach, Grace, Gabe, Jonah, Noah and Luke. My mom would sit at one end and lead us on a never ending quest through the pages of the Old and New Testaments. Our dad would join us whenever he could, but he had to first navigate a 90 minute commute from Kansas City where he supported our family as a human resources professional and those long drives got in the way more often than he would have liked. Regardless of whether my dad was there, my mom's fervor is what propelled our study of the scriptures to her. The Bible was the place to go for answers. All of them. It contained a solution to every question or problem that life might throw at a person. And so, year after year after year, we'd revisit the same stories again and again. That may seem like a tedious undertaking, but with each retelling, we kids would come back with more life in us, more experience, more understanding of the stories being told, more curiosity about the people in them and their motivations. And maybe most importantly, we'd come back every year with more of a desire to understand the God who was presented to us as a kind of cosmic puppet master, the one pulling every string behind the scenes along the way, ensuring the stories unfolded exactly as he desired. Sometimes my mom would read aloud to us, sometimes the kids would take turns, but always she was the one interpreting. She would take the abstruse language of the 1611 King James Bible and try to make it real for us, often in very dramatic fashion. She would speak emphatically, with such urgency and such conviction that these ancient stories began to feel immediate, almost as though they were happening in the present right now. As though the power in them, the God they were describing, was among us in that very room.
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Take Noah and the Flood, a story often found in the pages of a modern children's Bible. With sweet little cartoon animals ambling up the gangplank two by two, my mom would remind us that once all those animals and exactly eight humans were safely aboard, the fountains of the great Deep burst open and the windows of heaven opened and the rain began. For 40 days and 40 nights, it rained. I remember how she tried to convey to us what the reality might have been for all of the humans who were not on the ark. With her Bible in hand, she leaned forward in her seat, eyes wide, her voice rising precipitously as she described mothers scrambling for higher ground to save their families. And then she narrated the eventual moment when those women would have to make a choice either to drown with their children, their toddlers, their newborn babies, or to abandon them to try to save themselves. In the end, she told us, those mothers would drown too. No matter how high they climbed, the waters prevailed. She would have us pull up images of famous paintings that depicted the violence and chaos of that scene. People clawing their way up trees and mountainsides lashing together boats hoping for some way to escape the wrath of God that was raining down upon them for their sins. And then having the breath of life snuffed out of them anyway. I was 26 when I left the Westboro Baptist Church. You may know it by its colorful protest signs and its most infamous slogan, God Hates Fags. The church my grandfather founded became best known for picketing funerals of American soldiers, of children, of strangers with placards announcing that God hates the mourners and killed their loved ones as vengeance for their sins. I held those signs from the time I was 5, and I became a committed and zealous defender of our message. But when I took the church's message to Twitter in my 20s, I encountered kind strangers who compelled me to see things differently. When I left Westboro, I lost almost everything and everyone that mattered to me. My parents, most of my 10 siblings, and the rest of my family, who were still as intimately tied to the church as I had been all my life. I lost the only home I'd ever known and nearly every person I'd been close to or loved by. I also lost my understanding of how the world worked. For years after I left, I felt a deep mistrust of what I'd been taught. I thought about the Bible with real skepticism for the first time, and even sometimes antipathy. Its stories had been my foundation, the pillars of my sense of what it means to live a good life. Now I knew my family would use those same stories to justify steadfastly ignoring me if they happened to see me in public. And yet, after years of feeling like this book just wasn't mine anymore, I found myself continuously coming back to it. And for more years still, I've tried to understand why. The simplest explanation is that in spite of all the pain these stories have caused me, they are still irrevocably in me. They have shaped me so deeply that I couldn't stand apart from them even if I wanted to. In truth, I'm not coming back to these stories at all. I actually never stopped using them. I reach for these scenes constantly without deciding to. The Bible gave me my first vocabulary for good and for evil, for courage and for cowardice, for the kind of person I want to be and the kind I'm afraid of becoming. I couldn't help returning to its lessons for wisdom to guide my actions. The spinelessness of Ahab, the shrewdness of Abigail, the stubbornness of Rehoboam. Even in the years when I wanted nothing to do with it, it was still the language of my thoughts that's become especially relevant to me since I became a mom myself. I find myself thinking more than I expected to, about how I can share the good in this book without passing on the parts that have harmed me and people I love, along with countless others. Which stories? In whose voice? With what said in follow up. And I know I'm far from the only one with these questions.
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Episode Title: PREVIEW: The Friday Edition. - Come read with me.
Host: Isaac Saul
Air Date: July 24, 2026
Main Guest/Essayist: Megan Phelps-Roper
In this Friday Edition preview, host Isaac Saul introduces an essay by Megan Phelps-Roper—writer and activist best known for leaving the Westboro Baptist Church—who reflects on the lingering impact of her religious upbringing. Megan shares how the stories and teachings from her childhood still shape her worldview, even after her dramatic departure from the church, and explores the complexities of revisiting her faith as both a skeptic and a mother.
This episode offers a personal narrative about loss, identity, and the intricate process of reconciling with one's past, especially when that past is both formative and deeply painful.
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This episode segment offers an intimate, thoughtful rumination on inherited faith—how it can both wound and sustain, how it survives even radical personal evolution, and the anxiety and hope that comes with deciding what to pass along to the next generation. Megan Phelps-Roper’s voice carries both pain and respect for the traditions that shaped her, making this a moving meditation on family, belief, and identity.
Note: This summary skips advertisements and meta-podcast commentary to focus exclusively on the episode’s substantive content with Megan Phelps-Roper’s essay as the focal point.