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Isaac Saul
Foreign. Good afternoon and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle Podcast, a place where you get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of my take. I'm your host, Isaac. So and today you're going to get a lot of me. All me. It's just me here today with you on the show, and we're doing something a little bit special. So a couple weeks ago I wrote and we published a podcast here about five things I had gotten wrong about Donald Trump in his first six months in office. In all honesty, I'm not a huge fan of political prognostication. I mean, I often try to avoid making predictions about the future because I think there's just something kind of gimmicky about that and instead focus on my analysis and reporting and talking about what we know and what's in front of us. Obviously, predictions inevitably slip into that analysis or into my take in the newsletter. And I've written explicit articles where, you know, I made 19 predictions about the future of Politics because I understand they're interesting and they're good ways to kind of test my theses about the world. In my last retrospective, like many others I'd written before it, it was an exercise in the kind of accountability and analytical journalism that we do here at Tangle. I am a big fan of writing about when I'm wrong, or when I've changed my mind, or when I have valuable criticisms to share. I think it helps me evolve and it helps our readers reflect on their viewpoints too. But shortly after publishing that piece, I kind of realized that I spend a lot of time writing about all the things I get wrong and maybe not enough time writing about when I get things right. After all, if I am simply wrong over and over and over, should listeners really trust me for reliable analysis? It struck me that in trying to be transparent with criticisms, I may be undermining my own credibility. Indeed, a lot of readers and my own editors insisted that I could be doing this too much. So today I figured I'd flip the script. I'll give myself some grace, and I'll do something I've never done before. I'm going to pen an entire piece. I'm going to write this whole show that's just about the things that I've gotten right since my newsletter and the podcast a few weeks ago focused exclusively on Trump. I thought I'd turn the focus to the same subject and share five things that I've gotten right about Trump's second term so far. Before I jump in, a quick reminder that this podcast is a members only podcast. So somewhere when I'm talking in here, John's gonna fade out the music and then he's gonna tell you that you have to go become a member to subscribe. So if you wanna hear the whole thing, you have to go to readtangle.com membership. When you buy a membership, it'll take you through this process that should be relatively easy where you add the paid members only feed to your podcast feed. You click a couple buttons, get one email, and then the feed will show up wherever you listen to podcasts. And you won't just get all our members only content. You also get ad free podcasts from the Daily, which a lot of people really like. So go do that. It's readtangle.com membership. There should be a link in the episode description and that is the quickest way to unlock the whole show. All right, with that, I'm going to just jump in. All right, so first up on the five things that I got right about Donald Trump was that Pete Hegseth was a dangerous and poor choice for defense secretary. When I reviewed Trump's Cabinet appointees, Hegseth was probably the person I was most concerned about. Hegseth got a lot of heat during his confirmation process because he was the, quote unquote, Fox News guy who got tapped to lead the armed forces. This characterization was true, but it was also insufficient. Hegseth rose to the rank of major as an Army National Guard officer. He served tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. He was awarded two Bronze Stars. He earned a Master of Public Policy from Harvard. After his second deployment, he led two nonprofit veterans advocacy groups. Then he worked as a Fox News host for more than a decade. Which is all to say, he had plenty more on his resume than just being a television host. A better criticism of Hegseth, and the primary one that I leveled against him, is that dysfunction had followed him everywhere he went. I was not overtly concerned that he was under qualified compared to his predecessors or that he was unfaithful to his wives, something that Democrats spent a lot of time on during his confirmation hearing. I was concerned that he had a terrible reputation as a leader of relatively small organizations and was now being tasked with leading almost 3 million service members and DoD civilians. Here's an excerpt of my take after Hegseth's confirmation hearing. As I've said in the past, we as Americans have been remarkably safe in the post 911 era from foreign threats, and we are totally unaware of how good we have it here in the US Our soldiers are in about as little danger as they've ever been in my lifetime. We're pulling back from many major conflicts, and the vast majority of the issues facing our Department of Defense involve wasteful spending, inventory issues, shaky leadership, and the fact we are falling behind on advanced military technology. I don't see any reason to believe that Hegseth, who has a leader of several smaller, less complicated organizations, has been followed by allegations of poor leadership, disorganization, sexual misconduct, poor financial management, and drunkenness is the right person to solve these issues. End quote. I also noted that Hegseth had a genuinely bad hearing. He couldn't name any international security agreements he would lead as Defense secretary incorrectly guessed several members of the association of the Southeast Asian nations was non committal about using the US Military against US Civilians and seemed to think the military has quotas for demographic groups, which it doesn't. Though diversity in the military has been a point of emphasis for the DoD during the Biden administration, Hegseth's track record followed him into leadership at the DoD. Hegseth was the central figure in one of the largest scandals of the administration so far, in which a journalist was inadvertently added to a Signal group chat where attack plans for a strike in Yemen were discussed in extensive detail. Just this week, the Washington Post reported that the Pentagon's independent watchdog has evidence that the information Hegseth shared in the Signal chat was indeed classified, contradicting his and the White House's claims. We then learn that Hegseth and others in his orbit were in more Signal chats sharing privileged information. Hegseth refused to take any accountability for this and instead tried to throw several team members under the bus. Since then, Hegseth's department has been in complete disarray. Justin Fulcher, a top advisor, just left the Pentagon, marking the sixth major recent departure following a series of scandals and leaks. In January, former chief Pentagon spokesman John Oliott argued unequivocally that Hegseth was the best man for the job. By late April, he was penning op ed for Politico, arguing unequivocally that Hegseth should step down or be fired. Oliot saw Hegseth's leadership up close and in person as a top aide, and he came away feeling deeply concerned about the risk it posed to the country. So why hasn't Hegseth been fired? Well, I predicted that too, writing in April that Trump would refuse to fire him for his incompetence because that'd be giving a scalp to his critics and the media, which he is always loath to do. On all this, my views about Hegseth were basically right on, and his term as defense secretary has gone just as I expected. We'll be right back after this quick commercial break. Here's a stat that stops people in their tracks. Nearly half of American adults say that they would suffer financial hardship within six months if they lost their primary income earner. 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Number two I was right about Trump and Israel One of the more bizarre things that happened during the 2024 election was the way the pro Palestine movement rallied around Trump and against the Biden Harris administration. The uncommitted vote in Michigan was the center of this story, with groups of pro Palestine Arab Americans pledging either to vote for Trump or not vote for Harris. While praising the uncommitted vote for smart politics in our coverage, I also warned supporters of the Palestine Liberation Movement that their support for Trump was nonsensical. Harris has been tough to pin down on this issue, but Trump is not, I wrote. As President Trump moved the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, recognized Israeli control of the Golan Heights, and was called by Benjamin Netanyahu the greatest friend Israel has ever had in the White House. As a candidate, Trump has consistently voiced his support of Israel's right to defend itself and said he'd deport anti Israel protesters. There is no way that voters concerned with the safety of Gazans will be able to exert more pressure on a President Trump than a President Harris. I understand why they feel hopeless with the current administration, but I also don't see a world where they get anything they want with Trump. End quote. Then, in January, after the Trump and Biden administration collectively negotiated a ceasefire deal this was before Trump got into office. I said that I was skeptical that the deal would last, but also reflected on this segment of my take and the protest movement more broadly. If this deal holds, I wrote, again, if it will also reflect poorly on me, I wrote repeatedly that the Arab American voters in Michigan and across the US who opposed Harris or outright supported Trump in protest of Biden's handling of the war, would be sorely disappointed. Perhaps my view there proves accurate in the long run, I said. I still believe Trump is a staunchly pro Israel president whose interests are diametrically opposed to the Palestinian liberation. But if Trump begins his term by helping negotiate an end to this war, I'll be eating some crow and those voters will have both increased their political power and gotten the result they wanted. Unfortunately, my initial view here has proven accurate in the long run. That January ceasefire I was writing about collapsed after its first phase. Rather than exerting more pressure on Israel, Trump is effectively greenlit whatever Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has drawn up, despite frustration emanating from the Trump camp. Since taking office, Trump has endorsed plans to relocate all the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, which is an argument for ethnic cleansing. There is no other word for it. I'm sorry. And while he's reportedly griped about Netanyahu privately in public, Trump has remained steadfast in his support, even taking the major step of helping Israel attack Iran's nuclear facilities. Many of the uncommitted voters have noticed. In February, one of the key groups to Trump's voter outreach for the uncommitted movement in Michigan, officially named Arab Americans for Trump, dropped Trump from their name and updated the organization to Arab Americans for Peace. That was just after Trump hosted Netanyahu at the White House and proposed developing Gaza into the Riviera of the Middle east under US Ownership. Meanwhile, Trump has detained and attempted to deport students who have supported Gaza as he promised while campaigning. And he has punished universities where pro Palestine protests and in his telling, anti Semitism have proliferated. And the horrors of the war in Gaza have only gotten worse with no end in sight. We'll be right back after this quick commercial break.
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Foreign that brings me to number three. Protester confrontations with federal agents during immigration raids have been commonplace. In November, after the Trump won the presidency, I shared 22 thoughts about his victory. Many of them I actually think have aged quite well. You can go listen to that podcast if you'd like, but one in particular stuck out to me is a theme I've been discussing in the months since since in item number six I said if he Trump attempts a mass deportation, I think we'll see civil disobedience and violence unlike anything we saw during his first term. His brand of politics invites people to relish in the misery of others a kind of own the libs and destroy the enemy mentality. That I think is going to bring us four more years of increasingly awful divisions and then especially bad environment for trans people or immigrants who became the focus of his campaign's Ireland. I thought this one would be interesting to include, in part because in the five Things I Got Wrong About Trump podcast, I covered the same topic through the lens of what I got wrong. Basically, I copped to thinking that the Trump administration's deportation effort would be smaller and less horrific than it has been so far. I didn't think Trump would actually do the things he said he was going to do, but he has a few weeks after warning about what would happen in Trump is tolerance policy.
John Law
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Podcast Summary: Tangle Podcast – "PREVIEW - The Friday Edition: Five Things I Got Right About Trump"
Release Date: July 25, 2025
Host: Isaac Saul
Podcast Description: Independent, non-partisan politics news featuring diverse viewpoints and insightful interviews from across the political spectrum.
In this special preview episode, Isaac Saul announces a departure from his usual introspective analysis where he often discusses his missteps regarding Donald Trump's presidency. Acknowledging feedback from listeners and editors, Saul decides to highlight his accurate predictions and assessments about Trump’s actions and their implications. This introspective approach aims to balance his prior focus on accountability with affirmations of his analytical reliability.
"I spend a lot of time writing about all the things I get wrong and maybe not enough time writing about when I get things right." – Isaac Saul [01:56]
Isaac Saul delves into his critical evaluation of Pete Hegseth’s nomination as Defense Secretary during Trump’s administration. Despite Hegseth’s extensive resume, including military service, advanced education, and veteran advocacy, Saul questioned his suitability for leading the Department of Defense.
Concerns Raised:
Leadership Dysfunction: Saul emphasized Hegseth’s history of dysfunction in previous roles, fearing inability to manage a vast and complex organization like the DoD.
"I was concerned that he had a terrible reputation as a leader of relatively small organizations and was now being tasked with leading almost 3 million service members and DoD civilians." – Isaac Saul [02:45]
Confirmation Hearing Performance: His poor performance during the confirmation hearing, including inability to name key international security agreements and misconceptions about military policies, further fueled doubts.
"Hegseth had a genuinely bad hearing. He couldn't name any international security agreements he would lead as Defense secretary..." – Isaac Saul [04:10]
Outcome Prediction and Reality:
Saul accurately predicted the turmoil within Hegseth’s tenure, including scandals and high-profile departures, ultimately aligning with his initial assessment of Hegseth’s leadership inadequacies.
"On all this, my views about Hegseth were basically right on, and his term as defense secretary has gone just as I expected." – Isaac Saul [09:15]
Isaac Saul addresses his correct assessment of Donald Trump’s unwavering support for Israel, which played a significant role in Trump's political maneuvers and policy decisions regarding the Middle East.
Key Actions by Trump:
Embassy Relocation: Moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem, solidifying recognition of Israeli claims.
"President Trump moved the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, recognized Israeli control of the Golan Heights..." – Isaac Saul [11:45]
Support from Netanyahu: Benjamin Netanyahu’s endorsement of Trump as "the greatest friend Israel has ever had in the White House" underscored the strong alliance.
"He was called by Benjamin Netanyahu the greatest friend Israel has ever had in the White House." – Isaac Saul [12:05]
Impact on Voters:
Saul noted the paradox of pro-Palestine groups supporting Trump, which he argued was counterproductive given Trump's solid pro-Israel stance.
"There is no way that voters concerned with the safety of Gazans will be able to exert more pressure on President Trump than President Harris." – Isaac Saul [12:50]
Post-Presidency Negotiations and Outcomes:
Although initial hopes for a lasting ceasefire were high, Saul observed that the subsequent collapse of the ceasefire and Trump’s aggressive policies further validated his skepticism about Trump's intentions towards peace in the region.
"Trump is effectively greenlit whatever Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has drawn up, despite frustration emanating from the Trump camp." – Isaac Saul [13:30]
Isaac Saul explores the increasing confrontations between protesters and federal agents during immigration enforcement actions under Trump’s administration, a scenario he had anticipated based on Trump’s combative political style.
Predicted Escalation:
Saul foresaw that Trump’s hardline immigration policies would incite significant civil disobedience and violent clashes, given his approach to governance and rhetoric.
"Trump's brand of politics invites people to relish in the misery of others... I think that is going to bring us four more years of increasingly awful divisions." – Isaac Saul [17:05]
Current Reality:
His prediction materialized as Trump’s administration implemented aggressive deportation strategies, resulting in numerous protests and heightened tensions, particularly affecting marginalized communities.
"Protester confrontations with federal agents during immigration raids have been commonplace." – Isaac Saul [17:21]
Impact on Communities:
The administration's policies led to increased activism and backlash among immigrant communities and allies, validating Saul’s concerns about the societal divisions exacerbated by Trump’s tactics.
"His brand of politics... is destroying the enemy mentality." – Isaac Saul [17:35]
Isaac Saul concludes the preview by reinforcing the importance of recognizing both successes and errors in analysis to maintain credibility and foster a well-rounded discourse. By highlighting his accurate predictions, Saul aims to reassure listeners of his analytical prowess and balanced approach to political journalism.
"If I am simply wrong over and over, should listeners really trust me for reliable analysis?" – Isaac Saul [01:56]
Notable Quotes with Timestamps:
"I spend a lot of time writing about all the things I get wrong and maybe not enough time writing about when I get things right." – Isaac Saul [01:56]
"I was concerned that he had a terrible reputation as a leader of relatively small organizations and was now being tasked with leading almost 3 million service members and DoD civilians." – Isaac Saul [02:45]
"Hegseth had a genuinely bad hearing. He couldn't name any international security agreements he would lead as Defense secretary..." – Isaac Saul [04:10]
"On all this, my views about Hegseth were basically right on, and his term as defense secretary has gone just as I expected." – Isaac Saul [09:15]
"There is no way that voters concerned with the safety of Gazans will be able to exert more pressure on President Trump than President Harris." – Isaac Saul [12:50]
"Trump's brand of politics invites people to relish in the misery of others... I think that is going to bring us four more years of increasingly awful divisions." – Isaac Saul [17:05]
"His brand of politics... is destroying the enemy mentality." – Isaac Saul [17:35]
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This summary captures the key discussions and insights from the preview episode of Tangle’s Friday Edition, focusing on Isaac Saul’s accurate assessments concerning Donald Trump’s presidency.