PREVIEW - The Sunday Podcast: Ari and Will talk tackling Tangle takes, reader feedback, and immigration with Mags and Jon.

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Podcast Summary: Tangle – PREVIEW - The Sunday Podcast: Ari and Will Talk Tackling Tangle Takes, Reader Feedback, and Immigration with Mags and Jon

Release Date: February 2, 2025

In this preview episode of "The Sunday Podcast," hosts Ari Weitzman and Will K. engage in a comprehensive discussion about recent developments at Tangle, reader feedback, and pressing political issues, particularly immigration. Joined by editorial team members Magdalena Bokova (Mags) and executive producer John Law, the episode delves into the challenges and triumphs of maintaining balanced, non-partisan news coverage in a polarized environment.

1. Introducing the Co-Hosts and Team Dynamics

Ari Weitzman, Tangle’s Managing Editor and temporary lead co-host, welcomes Will K., who steps into a co-host role for the first time. Will shares his journey with Tangle, highlighting his transition from a volunteer role in April 2023 to a more permanent position amid the platform's rapid growth.

Will K. [03:27]: "I've been tangled since April 2023... it was opportune. And I was able to kind of jump into a more full-time role after a few months, and here we are."

Ari humorously recounts how Will initially connected with Tangle, noting that Isaac Saul’s public recognition—something Ari quips Phoebe, Isaac’s wife, finds less enjoyable—played a role in their association.

2. Navigating Reader Feedback and Maintaining Balance

The conversation shifts to handling reader feedback, both constructive and critical. Will expresses deep respect for Isaac’s role as the face of Tangle and acknowledges the pressure that comes with representing the platform's voice to a growing audience.

Will K. [05:08]: "The appreciation for Isaac's role as kind of the face of Tangle... my respect for that work and his ability to build up to that point and get us here is just deepening."

Ari discusses the challenge of maintaining balance, noting that while the team strives for non-partisanship, the current dynamics may lean slightly towards supporting Isaac’s perspectives. They reflect on feedback regarding overpositioning themselves as experts in certain areas, emphasizing the importance of humility and accurate representation.

Ari shares specific reader critiques:

Ari Weitzman [07:14]: "One reader said I was positioning myself as the authority on California wildfires just because I lived in California for four years... It made sense from his perspective but upset the reader."

3. Covering the Deadly Aviation Crash in Washington, D.C.

A significant portion of the discussion centers on a tragic aviation incident outside Reagan National Airport, marking the worst U.S. aviation disaster since 9/11. Ari provides a factual overview of the crash involving an Army Black Hawk helicopter and an American Eagle passenger jet, resulting in nearly 64 fatalities.

Ari Weitzman [12:03]: "An Army Black Hawk helicopter collided with an American Eagle passenger jet... 60 passengers on board the jet and seven on the helicopter were killed."

Will emphasizes the limited information available and the importance of allowing authorities to conduct thorough investigations before drawing conclusions.

Will K. [12:53]: "We don't know a ton more right now... it feels like the best thing we can do right now is just allow the people who are working on that to do their jobs."

4. Immigration and Deportation: Analyzing Reader Perspectives

The hosts delve into the contentious issue of immigration, specifically focusing on deportation flights to Colombia. They address reader concerns about the framing of President Trump's actions and the Colombian government's response.

Ari recounts feedback questioning whether Trump's threats to impose tariffs influenced Colombia's decision to accept deportees, suggesting that the Colombian president achieved his goals by ensuring more humane treatment of deportees.

Ari Weitzman [17:35]: "Trump didn't win here. The Colombian president actually got what he wanted... the deportees were treated with more respect."

Will provides context, explaining that despite initial authorizations, Colombia revoked permission during the flights, necessitating rerouting and introducing the complexity of diplomatic pressures.

Will K. [17:35]: "Authorization was denied... Trump issued threats, and Colombia agreed to send deportees on Colombian military planes."

The conversation highlights the polarized interpretations of the events, with right-leaning listeners viewing Trump's actions as effective, while those on the left focus on the humane treatment achieved by Colombia’s intervention.

5. Humanitarian Concerns in Deportation Practices

Ari and Will discuss alarming reports of inhumane conditions aboard deportation flights, referencing an incident involving Brazilian deportees subjected to extreme discomfort and possibly abusive treatment.

Ari quotes a New York Times article describing the dire circumstances:

Ari Weitzman [22:02]: "Temperatures were rising inside the plane... passengers fainting, agents blocking exits."

They critically examine the standards of treatment for deportees, questioning whether such experiences should be normalized or condemned.

Will K. [24:13]: "We should be careful not to say everything's a 9 out of 10... if something actually does become a 9 out of 10, it's just going to be part of the stream and washed away."

6. Rising Egg Prices: A Light-Hearted Debate

Transitioning from heavy political topics, the hosts engage in a lighter debate about the surging prices of eggs. Mags and John contribute to the discussion, expressing frustration over the high costs.

Ari Weitzman [30:15]: "Eggs are expensive relative to what we've experienced... a dozen eggs were like $2.50 a few years ago, now basic eggs are over $4."

Will adds his perspective on the impact of bird flu on egg prices, suggesting that the surge is temporary and prices may stabilize once the issue is managed.

Will K. [32:38]: "They're high right now because of the bird flu... we can reasonably expect them to come down when that is handled."

7. Conclusion and Future Directions

As the episode concludes, the team reiterates their commitment to balanced reporting and the importance of reader feedback in honing their content. They acknowledge the ongoing nature of political debates and the necessity of maintaining perspective amidst sensationalism.

Ari Weitzman [27:06]: "Keeping things in perspective and level setting... this is going to be an ongoing effort for Trump's entire term."

The preview sets the stage for the full Sunday Podcast, promising in-depth interviews, expanded discussions on immigration, and continued engagement with their diverse readership.

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Notable Quotes:

• Will K. [05:08]: "The appreciation for Isaac's role as kind of the face of Tangle... my respect for that work and his ability to build up to that point and get us here is just deepening."

• Ari Weitzman [07:14]: "One reader said I was positioning myself as the authority on California wildfires just because I lived in California for four years... It made sense from his perspective but upset the reader."

• Ari Weitzman [12:03]: "An Army Black Hawk helicopter collided with an American Eagle passenger jet... 60 passengers on board the jet and seven on the helicopter were killed."

• Will K. [17:35]: "Authorization was denied... Trump issued threats, and Colombia agreed to send deportees on Colombian military planes."

• Ari Weitzman [22:02]: "Temperatures were rising inside the plane... passengers fainting, agents blocking exits."

• Will K. [32:38]: "They're high right now because of the bird flu... we can reasonably expect them to come down when that is handled."

This episode exemplifies Tangle's commitment to addressing complex political issues with transparency, critical analysis, and responsiveness to audience feedback, all while maintaining an engaging and thoughtful discourse.

Transcript

[Ari Weitzman]

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[Will K.]

Doing great. Very happy to be here in the co host role.

[Ari Weitzman]

Yeah, first time, long time, first time. I guess we've had you on the show before, but now we're going to get you a little bit more airtime with our readers. This was something that we're discussing a little bit behind the scenes just to give Everybody, a peek behind the Tangle curtain. We have a pretty broad, diverse staff, so Magdalena co hosted last week. John is our ep. Both of them are going to be on later. We have a bunch of people on our associate editorial staff who we want to hear from, but we think that having Will here makes the most sense to add since he's the next most senior of our editorial staff and plugged into the day's coverage, day to day with Tangle. And you can tell us stuff that I'm missing. So let's start with Will. Who are you? Where are you? What are you up to?

[Will K.]

I'm in Brooklyn in New York, and in my apartments where I work out of and do a lot of my tangling. Yeah, I mean, I've been tangled since April 2023. That's when I. That's when I started technically kind of in a volunteer role at first, helping with research, and then that was the time where things were happening really fast at Tangle and we were growing really quickly. So it was opportune. And I was able to kind of jump into a more full time role after a few months, and here we are.

[Ari Weitzman]

Maybe you want to tell the story that Phoebe, Isaac's wife, hates about how you got involved with Tangle in the first place.

[Will K.]

Yeah, this is a fun story. I'll keep it as abbreviated as I can, but when I moved to Brooklyn after graduating from college in 2020, I moved here in early 2021. I had been a Tangle reader for over a year. I'd been put onto it by a friend in the ultimate community. And when I was walking back to my apart on a weekend day about a month after moving in, I heard a voice that I recognized right outside my building. And I looked over and it was Isaac Saul, who I recognized from listening to him on the podcast and seeing him on Twitter and following Tangle, and introduced myself, he likes to call it. The first time that he was ever recognized publicly. His first kind of celebrity moment, which I think is the part that Phoebe doesn't like. So. Yeah, but we got to know each other a little bit. We grabbed a drink one time. We'd see each other and say hi on the sidewalk. But my relationship with Tangle was a reader for, you know, a couple years after that still, until we reconnected and it turned into this opportunity, which has been quite a dream.

[Ari Weitzman]

So sometimes dreams don't have parts of them that you remember. Other times they have parts of them that you wish you could forget. This last couple weeks for us, you and I have been working a lot of it overtime trying to make sure we're not ruining Isaac's life's work and getting the news to people in the way that they've expected to hear it entangle in that time. I know I have answers to these questions, but what are some things that you've gotten from that experience? What are some constructive things maybe that you've heard from readers and some less constructive things you've heard?

[Will K.]

Yeah, I know you mentioned it on the podcast last week, but the appreciation for Isaac's role as kind of the face of tangle and somebody who puts his perspectives out into the world and to an increasingly growing audience every day, you know, I've always been impressed by that, you know, getting to work with him closely. But when you, when you're in that position and you're in those shoes, you know, you do feel the weight of it when we publish the newsletter every day and you know that you have an opinion going out into the world to hundreds of thousands of people. So, you know, my respect for, for that work and his ability to build up to that point and get us here is just deepening as we continue to do this. I think the feedback from readers has been really constructive and positive and meaningful to me in a lot of ways. Yesterday I thought there was some great feedback to the take that I wrote about Trump's immigration orders, where few readers wrote into the staff inbox and left some comments on the website about. You're essentially telling us in this take what we know from public polling, things that we know from just watching the election and seeing what the results were and hearing Trump on the campaign trail. But you know, what's the veracity of the claims that Trump is making about immigration? Is there truth to these claims that immigration is negatively affecting all these facets of American life? And kind of asking me to peel back the layers a bit more and saying that's more what they look to tangle to. So that's really helpful feedback for me. You know, when I think about how I approach these topics on a day to day basis when I am offering my opinion or my analysis. And I think that that feedback has been offered in a really respectful way. So I've appreciated that a lot.

[Ari Weitzman]

In particular, what about, I mean, I think we try to be balanced as much as we can. I think already we're starting to skew a lot towards pro Isaac balance. Personally, I think maybe later we'll have to have some stories that defame him a little. But on the other side of the balance spectrum is like the more, the more Frustrating parts of stepping into that role. Like I said, you listened to Sunday Podcast last week. You know, some of those things for me. But what about for you? What are some of the things that have been dragging you down?

[Will K.]

Yeah, I think there's the sense of, I'm not Isaac, you know, and I'm.

[Ari Weitzman]

Stepping in, as I just said. Right, right.

[Will K.]

But in the sense of he's the one who started this and is, you know, really responsible for getting it to this point. And all of a sudden, I'm just stepping in after this has all been created. You know, I've had a role in that, obviously, as somebody who helped, who works on the editorial side and works on other parts of the business. But, you know, Isaac is the face, and he's the founder, and this is his brainchild and his baby. So there's a bit of an imposter syndrome, no doubt, that comes with that. And I think when feedback comes in, that is critical, but it's leading with, oh, I just wish Isaac was back, or, oh, I can't wait until Isaac is back so that we can, like, get through, you know, whatever this subpar analysis that you're offering is. That hasn't been widespread, but it has happened. And that feeds into that sense of, is this something that I am qualified to do and something that I should be doing, and is this right for the direction of tangle? But I do think that, by and far, the positive and constructive feedback has outweighed that and made this transition and this momentary period that we're in feel a lot more fulfilling.

[Ari Weitzman]

Interestingly, the note that you had about imposter syndrome, I had a good piece of feedback from a reader just this morning about how she felt that the way that we were positioning ourselves was a little bit too. Too much throat clearing, I guess you could say. And other readers last week put this more succinctly and said that I was positioning myself as the authority on California wildfires just because I lived in California for four years, which made sense reading it from his perspective. From our perspective, it was saying, Ari lived in California four years. He has this environmental studies background. He's been through, like, some experiences with wildfires based on the people on the staff. He's a person who has connection, who we want to try to push forward today. But the way it reads to people is this is a person who's an expert on this subject. So I know that, you know, reflecting for me, if I'm thinking about as somebody, I grew up in Pittsburgh, like, that's my hometown. If somebody said, yeah, I lived in Pittsburgh for two years. I'm the expert on Pittsburgh. Let me tell you about it. I would have certainly been bristled. So there's a way that we can go too far and say in our desire to try to explain why we should be listened to, we can position ourselves as people in ways that we're trying not to, which is helpful. I had another reader tell me that in our coverage on overviewing Biden's presidency, which is an enormous thing, covered a lot of lot of ground. Yeah. He told me that we omitted the school closures during COVID and Biden's last round of stimulus checks, which arguably, I think I'm convinced of this. I know it's still debatable, but arguably spurred on inflation in a way that was more harmful than if those checks had not been issued, which is a valid criticism, even if it's something you disagree with. And it was something we omitted. So that kind of feedback that's checking blind spots, even in something that's that large, is really helpful, and I hope that keeps coming. But speaking of checking blind spots, big week. A lot of stuff happening. A lot of things we can't go over. We just haven't had time to yet. Other things that are a little bit outside of our purview. I think the big news today we're recording on Thursday, January 30th. This comes out on Sunday. So I'm sure we've learned things between the time that we're saying this and the time that people are listening to it. But the big thing in the news right now that we haven't gotten a chance to cover is this crash in D.C. outside Reagan of a jetliner that collided with a military helicopter. Worst aviation disaster in the US since, I think 9 11, at least since 2009. Big tragedy. Something that we're still learning more about. Not really a left or right thing right now. I'm sure it will become one in some way, but something that we haven't had a whole lot of time to get into, but something I think we should address. That was a very short summary of it. I don't know if there's anything more that you think we should be saying.

[Will K.]

About it will, I think we don't know a ton more right now. I think what we have heard today from officials is that they don't believe anybody survived either in the helicopter or the plane that collided. So almost certainly going to be, I think, the deadliest aviation disaster in the US since 9 11. That's what the leading newspapers are having in their headlines right now. But I think that it's also okay to just leave it there and say there's a lot we don't know. There's obviously video of the crash and there's a lot of speculation. We heard some of it during the press conference today at the White House. We heard some of it in the press conference just last night that the D.C. mayor held. But it's going to take a while to get answers. And honestly it feels like the best thing we can do right now is just allow the people who are working on that to do their jobs and.

[Ari Weitzman]

That'S what we'll do. I'm just going to share a little bit of factual information about it for people who are maybe hearing about this for the first time. This happened very early or very, actually very late last night. On Wednesday news came out more so this morning it was an Army Black Hawk helicopter that collided with an American Eagle passenger jet, thankfully a relatively small one. There were 60 passengers on board, four crew members, three service members aboard the military helicopter. We have been told that that was a training flight and this was an accident that, as you said, we're going to learn more information about. From what we are hearing, preliminarily, it seems like the airline was on a path that it was meant to be on and that this was some sort of mistake for the trajectory of the Blackhawk. We're not sure exactly where the mistake came from, but that's about what we know right now. We'll be right back after this quick commercial break. From connecting the real world to the digital world to making them one your way to a sustainable digital enterprise. Transform the everyday with Siemens to make switching to the new Boost Mobile risk free, we're offering a 30 day money back guarantee. So why wouldn't you switch from Verizon or T Mobile? Because you have nothing to lose. Boost Mobile is offering a 30 day money back guarantee. No, I asked why wouldn't you switch from Verizon or T Mobile? Wouldn't because you love wasting money as a way to punish yourself because your mother never showed you enough love as a child. Whoa, easy there. Yeah, applies to online activations, requires port in and autopay. Customers activating in stores may be charged non refundable activation fees. Isaac's really good at very poor transitions and he thinks they're great. He's very ham fisted about them. So speaking of flights, something that came out last week in the news, what this reader question that we answered was about the flights from the US of deportees to Colombia. A little bit of background I'm going to ask you to color in the blanks, and I'm missing here was that the US has been saying since Trump took office that they're going to be deporting people who are in the country illegally. They started to do that both through means, not just aviation, but they started to do that with flights to Central and South America. There's one flight that went to Brazil where there were reports of people who were treated inhumanely. I think we'll come back to that a little bit later aboard a civilian jet. The jets that were sent to Colombia were military jets en route from the US To Colombia. The Colombian president, President Petro, said that he demanded the deportees be treated with more respect, refused their clearance. The land, they were rerouted back to the US and then at that point, they were put. This is where maybe you can help me with some of the details, Will.

[Will K.]

Right, right.

[Ari Weitzman]

There were Colombian flights, Colombian military planes that came to get them from the airfields in the US and then send them back to Colombia. Was that right? Right, that's correct.

[Will K.]

Yeah.

[Ari Weitzman]

And we got reader questions that were pushbacks to the way that we frame this in the quick hits, saying that Trump, after the refusal from Colombia, from President Petro, said that I'm going to stick 25 tariffs on you, maybe up to 50, if you don't accept these people. And we framed it or implied that Trump's pressure caused the Colombian president to cave. And a lot of readers said you shouldn't imply this was a win for Trump. The Colombian president actually got what he wanted. The flight, the people on the flight, the deportees, were treated with more respect. They were boarded on a civilian or an aircraft from Colombia and then sent back to Colombia. So there's bluster, but Trump was irresponsible in the way that he practiced diplomacy and the Colombian president got what he wanted. So actually, Trump didn't win here. And they said that's unfactual. We kind of pushed back a little bit on the way that that was framed. You wrote the reader question answer to that. So why are we right is the question.

[Will K.]

Well, I think what is missing from some of that feedback that we received that was pushing back on how we characterized it is that by every account that we have, both from the White House and Secretary of State Marco Rubio and also outlets like cnn, Colombia granted authorization for these flights to take off. When they were in the air, they were abruptly revoked. So this was not an instance of the United States aggressively sending these planes with deportees without authorization, and Colombia realizing what was happening and all of a sudden scrambling to try to get the United States to back off. It was something that in the immediate moment was instigated by Colombia and this decision to pull the authorization while the planes were already in the air. So that's one area that we pushed back on in the reader question in terms of the exact framing in this quick hit. We were trying to position it, I think, chronologically of this authorization was denied. The planes came back, Trump issued these threats, he threatened tariffs and sanctions. After that, Colombia said, okay, yes, these flights can come back or these deportees can be sent here. And the flights proceeded from there, albeit in Colombian military planes. I think for people who are on the right or who are supportive of Trump, they would say this was an unambiguous win because not only did the deportations continue as scheduled, but we didn't even have to use our own planes. Right. So how could this be construed as a win for Colombia or for President Petro? I definitely see the perspective that the humane conditions and the humanitarian concerns that he expressed were addressed by sending their own planes and being able to handle their own people. So that's fair. I think that this would be really interesting for us to have explored perhaps as a standard edition, if it hadn't been such a news packed week and we could have touched on that nuance a bit more. But I do feel like we framed it accurately just in terms of the crisis, the chronology of the events, for the purposes of a one sentence, quick hit.

[Ari Weitzman]

I have a bit of a theory about why people see this differently depending on where they're at. I think if you're on the right, you can easily say the ends justify the means here and the deportees were deported. So what's, what's the big problem? But if you're on the left, you can. I think there's this detail that people have been focusing on, which is the handcuffs detail. I haven't seen reports that tell me exactly how many people are handcuffed. Other outlets are saying shackled, I don't know, like hands, so wrists and ankles bound.

[Will K.]

Right.

[Ari Weitzman]

I don't know how many people that applies to. I don't know really what it looked like. The pictures that we've seen, you can see some people that do have handcuffs from the first flight, but it's pretty sparse. The details. The details we have of the second flight, however, are very clear. Which is everybody getting off of that flight? None of them were in handcuffs. So if you're looking at those two images, you see handcuffs, no handcuffs. That's a win for Colombia, right? I mean, is it that simple?

[Will K.]

I mean, I think that if. If you're honing in on that, you're probably more focused on wanting to deny Trump any kind of victory in this sense, or you want to take away from the broader arc of this story. I personally feel like that we ended up in the same place as we were going anyways is the dominant part of this story. And I understand, again, why people might fixate on that. And it is obviously a big concern of how these deportations are being carried out. But when I just look at the story, I say, okay, the deportations were temporarily paused, they came back, and then they were sent off again with really no sweat off our back, other than Trump got to issue a bunch of threats and we didn't have to use our own planes anymore. So, I don't know. That feels like getting lost in the weeds a bit and more fixated on Trump than what actually happened in this story.

[Ari Weitzman]

There's an aspect here of the story that sort of stuck with me. This is going to be a little, like, I don't know, insensitive, perhaps, but I'm just going to respond to some of the stuff that I saw from the Brazilian flight that was. That had those reports of potential or alleged inhumane treatment.

[Will K.]

Yeah.

[Ari Weitzman]

I'm going to be quoting from an article from the New York Times from around this time, which starts by saying, and quote, temperatures were rising inside the plane. 88 Brazilian deportees, most of them handcuffed and shackled, were getting restless on Friday under the watch of U.S. immigration agents. The passenger jet, dealing with repeated technical problems, was stuck on the tarmac in a sweltering city in the Amazon rainforest. Then the air conditioning broke again. There were demands to stay seated, shoving, shouting, children crying, passengers fainting, and agents blocking exits. According to interviews with six deportees aboard the flight or deported, who, presumably, and this is me jumping to some conclusions here, went through a lot of hell to get to the US in one way or another, especially if they cross the border in an unauthorized, illegal way.

[Will K.]

Right.

[Ari Weitzman]

That almost definitionally implies that they went through some serious shit to try to get into the US So the conditions that they probably had to brave in order to get to the country, pretty severe, presumably, at least for some on the way out. This sounds like a passenger flight that a lot of us have taken before, to be frank. Like, I'm on the tarmac for too long. The air conditioning is breaking, children are crying. I'm not allowed to stand up and use the bathroom. This sucks. The standard American passenger jet experience is inhumane treatment to people who have gone through hell to get here. I think that probably says more about our standards for aviation quality than anything else. And again, maybe that's like a little snarky and cruel and like a cheap joke, but I don't know. I think that's at least a little funny.

[Will K.]

Yeah, I mean, I think it's totally fair to point out that that separate issue of, hey, we've gotten used to some pretty terrible treatment, you know, across the board when we fly commercially. I mean, I think that the context in which this is happening, it definitely pulls at the heartstrings. And I definitely like responding to that story as thinking, like, wow, this sounded like a nightmare, and probably, like, there are some differences there between the kinds of travel nightmares that you or I.

[Ari Weitzman]

Might have experienced that you've been forced by the authorities to be on, and.

[Will K.]

There'S marshals who are overseeing you, and it sounds like maybe forcing people not to move around as this is going on. There are differences there. But, yes, I mean, as we talked about in the edition on Wednesday about the immigration orders, this is an extremely tense and heated issue, and it's only going more in that direction. And stories like that just add fuel to the fire. And I do think that there should be scrutiny on the conditions in which these deportations are taking place. And. And honestly, this new executive order about sending 30,000 migrants to Guantanamo Bay now, I think these humanitarian concerns are not going away. And then this is just like a taste of what that debate is going to be like.

[Ari Weitzman]

Yeah, that's true. I think I'm just trying to level set here as we go forward. We're going to keep getting reports about inhumane treatment. Right. 30,000 people to Guantanamo sounds like. I mean, I. When I read that, the only thing I could say was holy. I know that's, like, insufficient, but, yeah, there's no way that all of those. All of those people are going to be detained in Guantanamo in a way that's completely above the board. Like, by the time they get there in transit first and when they're there and being held, that's a famously, famously questionable place. Yeah, but at the same time, at the same time as we're taking these stories and we're reading about them and we're on high alert for mistreatment, I think we still really should be careful not to say everything's a 9 out of 10. Because if something actually does become a 9 out of 10, it's just, it's going to be part of the stream and going to be washed away. And I think like this story about the people being deported on civilian flight, on the civilian jet to Brazil, experiencing an uncomfortable layover, I think that's a five out of ten. Honestly, like I. Deportations in general is something that's going to be like, that is already a very controversial item and that's polarizing. You could say just the fact that it's a deportation brings this four up to a seven. Okay. Let's say of the people who are being deported, then knowing that that's something that you have an immoral concern with or you're concerned that it's just generally immoral. And it knowing that, let's try to couch these treatments in a way that is going to at least have some standard in it. So that, that way, when there's a story of somebody whose bus breaks down or isn't allowed to use the bathroom, we can say that that's kind of shitty. They should let those people use the bathroom. But we don't say this is a violation of the Geneva Convention and Trump is being a total fascist pig here when there are going to be times that that happens. And if we say all of that stuff now, you're just going to be using the same words. Yeah, it's not.

[Will K.]

And realistically, these things happened when Biden was president and when Obama was president, and there's just a magnifying glass. Yeah. I mean, I would be highly skeptical of anyone claiming that, you know, this is the first time that there has been an incident during a deportation, flight or transportation like this. So I agree. I mean, that's the challenge, right? That's the challenge is keeping things in perspective and level setting. So I think it's helpful to kind of establish that framework for, for how we think about these stories and just understanding that it's going to be a long process. You know, it's like the kinds of goals that have been set out, whether they're realistic or not, they can't happen overnight. And this is going to be an ongoing effort for Trump's entire term. So keeping things in perspective is quite important.

[Ari Weitzman]

We'll be right back after this quick commercial break. Work management platforms.

[Will K.]

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[Ari Weitzman]

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[Will K.]

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[Ari Weitzman]

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[Will K.]

I have two kids, my kids love.

[Ari Weitzman]

Them, went to the grocery store.

[Will K.]

There are only two options of eggs and the cheapest egg carton was $8.89 for caged eggs. And again, I live in Oregon, so this is different.

[Ari Weitzman]

I feel like we're on the high spectrum because we have these bougie, bougie laws. Right. Surrounding our eggs.

[Will K.]

But I ended up buying the organic eggs, which is what I usually do.

[Ari Weitzman]

A little bit bougie.

[Will K.]

And it was $12 for my carton of eggs. And it, it just, it's wild, it's a racket. And I went off on our group Slack message, I think late at night.

[Ari Weitzman]

Just how, how upset I was about this. So I know Will has some truth bombs on this because he, he did the research. But I want to get, get John's take first on whether eggs are super expensive right now. I mean, like, yeah, hot take. Are they, is there, is there a debate? Yeah, I actually have a hot take. Okay. Does anyone have, have, Sorry. I just want to say if anyone has a higher. 12.

[Will K.]

More than $12 per garden? No.

[Ari Weitzman]

Okay.

[Will K.]

Although it was for 18 eggs, right?

[Ari Weitzman]

Yeah, it was, yeah.

[Will K.]

Just to clarify, just to clarify, that didn't pass you.

[Ari Weitzman]

Yeah, yeah, I think, I think eggs are expensive relative to what we've experienced. Expensive. Come on, guys. Come on. In the past five years, right? So like even just two or three years ago, eggs were a. I think a dozen eggs were like $2.50 or something like that, maybe even less. So to walk into a grocery store and to get basic eggs, not organic, not cage free, just basic eggs at $4.20 or something like that, you're feeling it. But I think even here in Colorado, I think we have some laws that are similar, but I haven't noticed eggs that are wildly more expensive, something that like maybe six, seven bucks, but nothing like 12 bucks. You know, the eggs are currently at a, at a high. I think that Spike, people are upset about it. My hot take when Mags posted this in the slack was eggs aren't expensive right now. They've just always been stupid cheap. And my guy Will backed me up with the numbers. Will, here's your cue to back me up with the numbers.

[Will K.]

Yeah, this was a little bit of a silly detour slash procrastination during work, but I just think we should say like they're high right now because of the bird flu ostensibly. And so I think we can reasonably, reasonably expect them to come down if and when that is handled. So Ari's take prompted me to just think about, well, how much does the nutritional value of a single egg, you know, compare to.

[Ari Weitzman]

Hey everybody, this is John, executive producer of YouTube and podcast content and co host of the daily podcast. I hope you enjoy enjoyed this preview of our Sunday podcast with Ari and Isaac. We are now offering this podcast exclusively to our premium podcast members along with our ad, free daily podcasts, Friday editions, in depth interviews, upcoming new podcast series, bonus content, and much more. If you want to receive all that and give your support to help us grow Tangle Media, please head over to tanglemedia.supercast.com and sign up for a membership. If it's not the right time for you to sign up, please don't worry. Our ad supported daily podcast isn't going anywhere. But if it is in your ability to support by signing up for a membership, we would greatly appreciate it and we're really excited to share all of our premium offerings with you. We'll be right back here tomorrow. For Isaac and the rest of the crew, this is John Law signing off. Have a great day. Y'all Peace. Our podcast is written by me, Isaac Saul and edited and engineered by John Wall. The script is edited by our Managing Editor, Ari Weitzman, Will K. Back, Bailey Saul and Sean Brady.

[Will K.]

The logo for our podcast was designed.

[Ari Weitzman]

By Magdalena Bokova, who is also our Social Media Manager. The music for the podcast was produced by Diet75. If you're looking for more from Tangle, Please go to readtangle.com and check out our website.

[Will K.]

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