Tangle Podcast Episode Summary: The Fall of Assad in Syria

Release Date: December 10, 2024
Host: Isaac Saul
Episode Title: The Fall of Assad in Syria

Introduction

In this pivotal episode, Isaac Saul delves deep into the dramatic and sudden downfall of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. Amidst over five decades of Assad family rule and a protracted civil war, recent events have reshaped Syria's political landscape, raising critical questions about the nation's future and its implications for global geopolitics.

Breaking Down the Collapse of Assad's Regime

Isaac Saul opens the discussion by setting the stage:
"Years of civil war and more than five decades of rule by the Assad family came to a sudden end over the weekend as rebels took over the capital city of Damascus. Dictator Bashar Al Assad escaped to Russia." (00:01)

John Law, co-host, elaborates on the sequence of events:
"Rebels sweeping that country, seizing power, forcing President Bashar Al Assad to flee, toppling statues of Assad, cheering the end of the family's brutal half-century rule there." (06:09)

Historical Context and Recent Developments

The episode provides a comprehensive background on Assad's rule and the complexities of the Syrian conflict:

• Assad Family Rule: The Assad family has governed Syria since 1970, with Bashar al-Assad taking the helm in 2000 following his father’s presidency.

• Civil War Onset: Protests in 2011 against Assad’s government escalated into a full-blown civil war, drawing in international powers with Russia and Iran backing Assad, while the US and its allies supported various rebel factions.

• Rise of Extremist Groups: The Islamic State (ISIS) capitalized on the chaos, prompting US-led bombings in Syria to target ISIS strongholds and support Kurdish-led militias.

John Law summarizes Assad's grip on power and recent vulnerabilities:
"Assad has maintained power relatively unchecked for the past four years. However, the surprise offensive by the Sunni extremist group Hayat Tahrir Al Sham and Turkish-backed Syrian National Army has reset the conflict." (06:07)

Perspectives from Across the Political Spectrum

Right-Leaning Viewpoints

Prominent right-leaning commentators express a mix of relief and caution regarding Assad's ousting:

• National Review Editors note the weakening of Assad's alliances:
  "Iran specifically used Syria as a route through which to smuggle weapons to the terrorist proxy Hezbollah. In recent weeks, both allies seem to abandon support for Assad." (John Law on Right's Perspective)

• David Adesnik, New York Post:
  "Americans across the political spectrum want no part in Syria's internal conflicts, but we have interests we cannot afford to ignore... Washington's careful use of incentives may help direct Syria toward moderation and away from an Islamic dictatorship." (John Law on Right's Perspective)

Left-Leaning Viewpoints

Leftist analysts advocate for proactive US involvement to rebuild Syria:

• Washington Post Editorial Board:
  "The Middle East badly needs a success story, a pluralistic, democratic Arab country committed to upholding human rights. With engaged diplomacy, the United States can help write a brighter next chapter for this strategically located and long-suffering country." (John Law on Left's Perspective)

• Ann Appelbaum, The Atlantic:
  "The end of the Assad regime creates something new, and not only in Syria. The fall of a Russian and Iranian-backed regime offers suddenly the possibility of change." (John Law on Left's Perspective)

International Perspectives

Global commentators provide varied outlooks on Syria's future:

• Ghassan Ibrahim, Arab News:
  "Syria has a bright future without Assad... Syria should foster relations with both the east and the west, focusing on reconstruction not just rebuilding infrastructure but also reshaping the entire state." (John Law on International Perspectives)

• Arash Rezinijad:
  "Syria is again a victim of its geography as much as the civil war was a sectarian and ideological conflict... Syria's geography offers neither internal defenses to deter invasions nor internal strongholds as a last line of defense." (John Law on International Perspectives)

Isaac Saul’s Take: Navigating the Uncertainty

Isaac Saul offers his insights, admitting the complexity of the situation:
"I am not an expert on Syria. This is one of the most complicated geopolitical situations in the world... I think we've seen over and over again that power vacuums do not last long, primarily because global powers are always ready to fill them." (Isaac’s Take)

Key observations include:

1. Power Vacuum Concerns:
   "All signs point to Jelani." – Speculating on potential leaders amid the void left by Assad.

2. Sectarian Divides:
   "Syria is one of the least monolithic. It is one of the most sectarian and divided places on earth." – Highlighting internal divisions that could influence post-Assad governance.

3. Global Interventions:
   "Russia, Iran, the US, Israel and Europe may feel differently about Assad and Abu Mohammed al Jelani, but they all loathe a country like Syria being leaderless." – Emphasizing the international stakes involved.

4. Immediate Regional Impact:
   "Assad's fall is a positive development for the US, Israel and the West's interests in the immediate term." – Assessing short-term geopolitical benefits.

5. Future US Involvement:
   "Trump wants a grand bargain for the Middle East and Abraham accords 2.0... He doesn't have a prayer of getting one that doesn't involve negotiating with the future Syrian leader." – Speculating on potential US diplomatic moves.

Isaac concludes with cautious optimism:
"I'm glad to see Assad's regime come to an end, and I want to cling onto hope for the glimmer of opportunity the Syrian people have. But the new, unstable, unknown territory the country finds itself in does not inspire confidence." (Isaac’s Take)

Listener Feedback and Host Responses

Isaac addresses feedback received on the previous episode regarding the murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Key points include:

• Violence and Political Change:
  "I've experienced our system in similar rage-inducing ways that many of you have... It wasn't so long ago that people organized politically supported politicians and groups who shared their interests and applied political pressure." (Listener Feedback Responses)

• Justification of Violence:
  "There is a huge difference between organized political groups resisting something violently or even committing violence in the name of a stated objective, and a lone wolf deciding to buy a gun and single out one particular person." (Listener Feedback Responses)

Isaac emphasizes the importance of peaceful political activism over violence, despite acknowledging the frustrations that lead some to extreme actions.

Key Statistics on Syria

• Presidential History:

  • Hafez al-Assad became president in 1970.
  • Bashar al-Assad assumed presidency in 2000.

• Population:

  • Approximately 24.3 million as of 2024.

• Humanitarian Crisis:

  • 16.7 million Syrians in need of humanitarian assistance.
  • 7.2 million internally displaced.
  • 6.3 million Syrian refugees.

• Casualties:

  • 613,407 deaths since the civil war began in 2011.
  • 162,390 civilian deaths.
  • 336 chemical weapons attacks by the Syrian government (2019 report).

Conclusion

Isaac and John Law wrap up the episode by reflecting on the immense changes in Syria and the uncertain path forward. While the ousting of Assad marks the end of an era, it also opens a Pandora's box of challenges that Syria and the international community must navigate carefully.

John Law adds:
"As of 2023, only 900 U.S. troops remained. The United States limited presence, paired with Assad fleeing now, leaves a major power vacuum in the country." (Final Thoughts)

The episode underscores the intricate web of local and international forces at play, emphasizing that Syria's story is far from over and will continue to be a focal point in global politics.

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