Camille (7:55)

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Isaac Saul (9:57)

We do begin with breaking news just a few seconds ago here, President Trump has announced Israel and Hamas have signed off on what he is calling the first phase of his peace peace plan. Trump making the announcement on his own social media site, writing in part quote, this means that all of the hostages will be released very soon and Israel will withdraw their troops to an agreed upon line as the first steps toward a strong, durable and everlasting peace.

Camille (10:23)

On Wednesday, Israel and Hamas agreed to the first stage of President Donald Trump's plan to end the war in Gaza. Precise details of the agreement are still being worked out, though the initial provisions took shape overnight. Under the terms, within 24 hours, Israel will retreat to agreed upon deployment lines remaining in control of about half of Gaza. Within 72 hours of Israel's retreat, Hamas will release the remaining hostages. Israel will also return a multitude of imprisoned Palestinians, but it reportedly does not intend to release several prominent detainees, including Palestinian leader Marwan Barghouti. For Context, on Monday, September 29th, President Trump shared a 20 point proposal that outlines a series of actions to end the war between Israel and Hamas, including Hamas's release of 48 hostages in exchange for nearly 2,000 Palestinian prisoners held by Israel, as well as a demilitarization plan, rebuilding framework and governance structure for Gaza after the war. Prime Minister Netanyahu endorsed the plan, and Hamas reportedly expressed openness to its key tenants. We covered the Trump administration's proposal and you can check that out with a link in today's episode Description White House special envoy Steve Witkoff and adviser Jared Kushner have led negotiations on behalf of the Trump administration, and they traveled to Egypt to participate in the peace talks. Qatari officials also played a key role as mediators between the sides. In a post on Truth Social, President Trump said that all of the hostages taken by Hamas on October 7, 2023, would be released soon and that Israel would withdraw its troops from Gaza. This is a great day for the Arab and Muslim world, Israel, all surrounding nations and the United States of America, and we thank the mediators from Qatar, Egypt and Turkey who worked with us to make this historic and unprecedented event happen, trump wrote. The president also suggested that he would travel to the Middle east this weekend. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will convene his government on Thursday, and they are widely expected to approve the deal. Netanyahu welcomed the deal, calling it a great day for Israel. Separately, Hamas announced it had accepted the deal but called on President Trump, the guarantor states of the agreement, and all Arab, Islamic and international parties to oblige the government of the occupation to fulfill all the agreement's commitments and not allow it to evade or delay implementation of the accords. Several unresolved questions remain, including the precise timeline for Israel's withdrawal from Gaza. Furthermore, Hamas reportedly needs at least 10 days to locate bodies of dead hostages. Egyptian officials also indicated that large issues such as the disarmament of Hamas have not been worked out, framing the agreement as an initial step to allow negotiations to continue. Today, we'll cover the latest on the potential peace deal with views from the left, right and Middle east writers, and then Isaac's take.

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All right, first up, let's start with what the left is saying. Many on the left note that the war is not actually over, but see this agreement as a key step. Others say Trump deserves credit if the deal holds. In the Atlantic, Yair Rosenberg wrote, the Gaza war isn't over yet, but it could be soon. The parties have only agreed to some form of exchange in which Hamas will release its remaining hostages in return for Palestinian prisoners, including many serving life sentences in Israeli jails for terrorism. Even if this release goes forward in the days ahead, that will only end the Gaza hostage crisis, not the Gaza war, rosenberg said. This first phase of Trump's peace plan does not resolve any of the underlying issues that continue to drive the conflict. Among other outstanding concerns, Hamas will still be standing, still be armed, and will not have been supplanted by an alternative Palestinian regime. Far right members of Netanyahu's government will still seek to vanquish the terror group and potentially resettle parts of Gaza. Ending the war in Gaza was always going to require the president's personal investment. Until recently, he seemed disinclined to give it. Trump did not intervene, as the first ceasefire he helped broker in January fell apart. But in recent weeks, he seems to have latched onto the issue with renewed vigor, rosenberg wrote. If he succeeds, that success will raise another how far is he willing to go to achieve his promised peace in the Middle East? The Gaza war is only an acute symptom of the region's underlying malaise. In the New York Times, David E. Sanger said Trump is on the brink of a major diplomatic accomplishment. For Mr. Trump, success in this venture is the ultimate test of his self described goal as a dealmaker and peacekeeper and a pathway to the Nobel Peace Prize he so openly coveted, sanger wrote. Much could go wrong in the coming days, and in the Middle east, it often does. The peace deal Mr. Trump heralded on Truth Social on Wednesday evening may look more like another temporary pause in a war that started with Israel's founding in 1948 and has never ended. But if Mr. Trump can hold this deal together, if Hamas gives up at least 20 living hostages this weekend, and with them its negotiating leverage, then that would be an extraordinary step toward the kind of peace plan Mr. Trump and his predecessor, Joseph R. Biden Jr. Have pressed to accomplish, Sanger said. Getting to the next stage, where Hamas would have to give up its arms and even harder, its claim to run Gaza, may prove even more difficult than bringing the living and dead hostages home. Hamas may well balk at the next steps, and so may Mr. Netanyahu. Alright, that is it for what the left is saying, which brings us to what the right is saying. The right supports the deal, but many caution that Hamas could still derail it. Others praised Trump for his unrelenting push for a peace agreement. In hot air, Ed Morrissey asked, will Hamas comply and disarm? The deal itself contains telling surprises. Those also constitute good reasons for skepticism now that the initial blush of joy over an apparent agreement to free the hostages. The question Will Hamas comply? Morrissey asked. The terms of Donald Trump's ultimatum contain poison pills that Hamas had refused to accept over the last two years. This agreement does not require the full withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza first, or even at all. In this phase, the requirement for Hamas to disarm remains, although that too is pushed off for later phases of a broader peace agreement. Perhaps this is nothing more than another spin on the dance floor to the Hamas hokey pokey. Hamas appears to already be making demands for a shift in phasing, especially when it comes to positioning the idf, morrissey said. This is the first step toward real progress for the hostages in well over a year, but their freedom is not yet secured. Hamas has many ways to toss spanners in the works and a track record for doing just that. If the polka music of the Hamas hokey pokey even plays for a bar or two, Trump had better be prepared to demonstrate a commitment to his red lines. In the free press, Matthew Continetti called the deal a triumph of coercive diplomacy. The Gaza deal is a triumph of coercive diplomacy. By pairing support for Israel with negotiations, President Trump leveraged IDF hard power to gain Hamas concessions, just as he did in Iran. Trump used the credible threat of military force to achieve his goal, continetti wrote. Americans are often tempted to separate force from peace talks, thinking that one must precede the other. Trump doesn't make this mistake. For him, talk without action is meaningless, talk with action gets results, and demonstrations of power are integral to the bargaining that culminates in a transaction. The deal is also a victory for Prime Minister Netanyahu. To date, his alliance with Trump has produced four historic the Abraham Accords, the demolition of Iran's nuclear program, the the deconstruction of Iran's axis of Resistance and the pending release of October 7 captives, Continenti said. Over the past six months, the world has seen what's possible when America and Israel stand together to confront the enemies of civilization. Let's not stop now, alright? That is it for what writers from the left and the right are saying. Which brings us to what Middle east writers are saying. Many writers from the Arab world say that the agreement does little to change Palestinians underlying struggle. Some Israeli writers say Israel should still target Hamas leaders even when the war in Gaza ends. In the Middle East, Monitor Adnan Hamdan wrote, we must keep marching for Palestine every time the world hears a new development, a roadmap, a framework, or now the first phase of Trump's agreement. Many are encouraged to believe that this could be the long awaited turning point, Hamdan said. But for Palestinians, such announcements evoke not hope but memory, the memory of countless previous phases and initiatives that promised calm, yet delivered only more destruction. This is why we continue to march, because every so called breakthrough has left the fundamental injustice untouched. The same siege, the same dispossession, the same impunity. There is still no permanent end to the siege, no accountability for those who have committed war crimes, no guarantee that the displaced will ever return home. There is no recognition of the right to live freely and with dignity. An agreement that leaves people starving, homeless or stateless is not a step toward peace. It is the continuation of the same crime by different means, hamadan wrote. To remain in the streets, therefore, is not a rejection of negotiation. It is a demand that negotiations finally mean something real. Our presence is a reminder that moral pressure must not fade simply because politicians have found new language to disguise an old injustice. In the Jerusalem Post, Moshe Phillips said Hamas must not win the peace with Israel. Hamas leaders, responsible for the slaughter of some 1200 people and the kidnapping of civilians are reportedly seeking safe haven in exile, most likely within the borders of its longtime host Qatar, Phillips wrote. The unspoken premise is that Hamas will remain part of the Palestinian Arab future, that its leaders have some sort of right to flee Gaza and live to fight another day, even though they are mass murderers. Letting Hamas's leaders escape into exile would be more than a tactical error, it would be a crime, allowing them to spin their survival as victory and rally the next generation around their so called resistance. It would also send a disastrous message to terrorist groups worldwide. Mass murder leads to international negotiations, global attention and eventually attainment of goals, phillips said. Israel has the right, nay the obligation to finish what it started and dismantle Hamas completely, just as the United States hunted down Osama bin Laden and and decimated the ISIS leadership. Alright, let's head over to Isaac for his take.

John Law (23:31)

It's genuinely surreal to read about a deal like this which looks like it might legitimately stick moving forward. Just as the two year anniversary of the war passed, I still remember waking up to messages about October 7th and watching in horror as the events that came after upended so many lives in Gaza and Israel and across the world. The beginning of this war. It feels so clear to me that memory. It feels like it was weeks ago when it was two years ago and so much has happened in the last two years in ways that I don't think any of us could have fully grasped at the time. To be here now, it feels unbelievable. I am swimming in skepticism. We had a multi phase deal earlier this year that never came to fruition. Israel was still striking locations in Gaza over the weekend I'm just waiting for the news that some agreed upon condition has been violated, that some bad actor dynamites the agreement, that some part of the progress was misreported. But I am tentatively hopeful that we may finally have a light at the end of the tunnel. As I said last week, the 20 point proposal was smart, it was novel, and it included something for both sides. Any workable deal always needed to include Israel withdrawing from Gaza and the return of all the hostages Hamas is holding. That the deal also managed to include removal of Hamas from power, an opportunity for members of Hamas to disarm and seek amnesty, a commitment from Israel not to annex Gaza, end a return of aid distribution to the United nations is all great news. If the deal holds, it will quickly become the shining diplomatic achievement of the Trump administration. Again, I have no illusions about where this might go. Major questions remain. The precise timeline for Israel's withdrawal is still murky and the logistics of Hamas's disarmament have not been worked out. But consider where we were just a few weeks ago. Israel had bombed Qatar and tried to kill lead negotiators. Qatar, a US ally, was furious with Israel. The US was left mostly in the dark about the strike that could have evolved into the all out regional war everyone has been fearing. Flash forward to today. A deal is on the table that will immediately halt the fighting and the remaining hostages could be released as soon as Monday. The first phase of the peace deal also requires Israel to withdraw its troops from Gaza and for a rush of aid into the Strip. That Hamas has actually agreed to give up all the remaining hostages, who for the entirety of the war have been its biggest leverage points, is the strongest signal yet that the fighting might really be coming to an end. After two years of sharing my analysis about the conflict and given everything we have witnessed the I'm finding it hard to be analytical here, but I do feel like there is a moment where it's important to take stock of the situation, and that moment is now. This region has fundamentally changed since the war started. Hamas has been all but destroyed and now may be signing on to a deal that forfeits their power. In Gaza, numerous senior commanders from Hezbollah were killed and while it remains armed and active, it is much weaker. The nuclear threat from Iran has, at least in the short term, been stifled. Its top scientists and some top generals were killed and many of its proxies have become less active in the region. For Israel, these will all be logged as victories, but the cost has been immense. In Gaza, tens of thousands have been killed and much of the Strip has been destroyed. It will take years to fully rebuild and decades to mend the wounds of the war, if not longer. Gazans who lived through the last two years will not forget what happened to them, and Israelis feel as if their security has been shattered. Jews across the world, including me, have a newly strained relationship with their ancestral homeland and its government. Israel's standing on the global stage is diminished with more external fury and internal frustration toward its government than I've ever seen before. Its relationship with allies is more tenuous. Its leader, Benjamin Netanyahu, is still fiercely opposed by many in Israel, and if the deal goes through, he is primed to face a revolt from the right wing faction that has held his coalition together. So what will come next from Palestine, Israel and the region? The optimistic take about this devastating conflict has always been that it wrought so much destruction that it offered a reset, a real chance for new power to rise in Gaza and for some kind of lasting peace deal that ends with Palestinian sovereignty and Israeli security. We are, in my estimation, still pretty far off from that. But with so few opportunities for optimism, this at least feels like a moment to celebrate a step in the right direction and an opportunity to imagine a future where the fighting, the violence and the devastation can finally come to an end. We'll be right back after this quick break.

Isaac Saul (28:45)

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John Law (30:15)

All right, that is it for my take. Which brings us to your questions answered. This one's from Madison in Kansas City, Missouri. Madison said how far reaching is the NSPM 7? It is such broad language, it seems like it can claim a lot of things as domestic terrorism. I'm not seeing a lot of coverage about it. Do nspms change how laws can be applied and forego rights granted by the Constitution? Okay, first of all, we should define our terms. NSPMs are national security Presidential Memoranda. They are what the Trump administration calls its presidential directives on national security matters. Other presidential administrations have issued similar directives, but they called them by different names. Barack Obama had public policy directives. George W. Bush had national security presidential directives. These presidential directives usually function as guidance for executive officials on national security matters. Trump's NSPM1 created the organizational structure for his administration's national security teams, while NSPM2 outlined the administration's planned foreign policy toward Iran. They aren't binding directives like executive orders, and they can't revoke laws or appropriate funding like acts of Congress. They only affect the internal policy of the Trump administration. Section 5 of NSPM 7 acknowledges this explicitly. On its own, NSPM 7 isn't as extreme as it might seem. The only policy it prescribes is a heightened focus on finding and disrupting possible domestic terrorism. It doesn't create any new designations or prescribe any new punishments. Its broadest language comes in Section one, where, after describing the recent spate of political violence targeting right wing figures, the memorandum outlines common threads animating this violent conduct. While these threads conspicuously only include ideas that oppose the Trump administration's ideological goals, the memorandum doesn't actually direct the federal government to declare these ideas domestic terrorism. The alarming aspect of NSPM 7 is that it could shift priorities within organizations like the IRS or DOJ to aggressively monitor and target organizations that the Trump administration deems worthy of surveillance. It is, in effect, a formalization of the president's rhetoric, and it could open up avenues for a group like the Joint Terrorism Task Force to investigate left wing groups under the guise of counterterrorism. Still, there are legal constraints to all of the above, and any actions downstream of the memo will certainly meet legal challenges. What exactly those downstream actions could be is still as of yet unknown. Alright, that is it for your questions answered. I'm going to send it back to John for the rest of the pod and I'll see you guys tomorrow with a very very special edition coming out tomorrow. So keep your ears out for that. We'll see you then. Have a good one. Peace.

Camille (33:17)

Thanks Isaac. Here's your under the radar story for today folks. In fiscal year 2025, illegal crossings at the US Mexico border fell to their lowest level since 1970. According to preliminary Department of Homeland Security data, US Border Patrol agents recorded nearly 238,000 migrant apprehensions in the fiscal year ending on September 30, and more than 60% of those apprehensions were recorded in the last full three months of the Biden administration. The drop from recent years is significant. In 2022, Border Patrol made 2.2 million apprehensions. The early data follows the Trump administration's heightened efforts to restrict unauthorized entries, including its use of emergency powers to halt the U.S. asylum system. CBS News has this story and there's a link in today's episode Description alright, next up is our numbers section. It's been 733 days since Hamas's October 7th attack on Israel. The length of time in hours of an initial ceasefire marking the start of the Gaza peace deal is 24. According to the terms of the agreement, hamas will have 72 hours to return all remaining hostages. After the 24 hour ceasefire. The winner of the Nobel Peace Prize will be announced in one day. The number of candidates for 2025's Nobel Peace Prize is 338. Out of those 338, 244 are individuals and 94 are organizations. Alright, and last but not least, our have a nice day story. Some aspects of the human immune system remain a mystery even after centuries of research, but new findings shed light on a few of the key outstanding questions. On Monday, three scientists, Mary E. Brunkow, Fred Ramsdell and Shimon Sakaguchi were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for their work on T cells, the white blood cells that fight infection in the body. Over multiple decades, the scientists explored how the immune system knows to avoid attacking the body's own healthy cells, identifying the FOXP3 gene, which is implicated in a rare human autoimmune syndrome. The discoveries are already contributing to treating autoimmune diseases and cancer with additional applications for life saving procedures like organ transplants. The New York Times has this story and there's a link in today's Episode Description all right everybody, that is it for today's episode. As always, if you'd like to support our work, Please go to readtangle.com where you can sign up for a newsletter membership, podcast membership or a bundle membership that gets you a discount on both. A gentle reminder again that we have a new YouTube video up in which we explore data centers, what these buildings are, what they do, why more are popping up over the US and why we need them. You can check that out with a link in today's episode description or just head over to our YouTube channel. And when you do, please be sure to hit the like button, click subscribe and turn on notifications. All those things help us get noticed in the YouTube algorithm, which helps pump us out to even more viewers. Also, don't forget that starting next week we are launching a once a month behind the scenes newsletter called Press Pass for paying subscribers only. This is our way to be more transparent and engaged with our audience and update our subscribers on the inner workings of Tangled, such as new ideas that we're exploring for the newsletter, the podcast, the YouTube channel, and what challenges the team is facing. We'll also do a staff profile so you can get to know us a bit better. Anytime's a great time to sign up for a membership, but we do have more content coming for you, so it's an especially exciting time to get signed up. Isaac, Ari and Camille will be here for the suspension of the Rules podcast and I will return on Monday. For the rest of the crew, this is John Law signing off. Have a beautiful, wonderful and absolutely fantastic weekend, y'.

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