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Isaac Saul
Good morning, good afternoon and good evening and welcome to the Tangle podcast, a place where we get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking and a little bit of my take. I'm your host Isaac Stahl and Today is Tuesday, May 27th and we are going to be talking about the latest on Russia and Ukraine, including President Donald Trump's criticisms of Vladimir Putin, which catching a lot of people's attention and I think for good reason. Before we jump in though, I want to give you a quick heads up that the Tangle YouTube team has just come out with a brand new video on the debate over fluoride in drinking water. The team decided to go long on the evidence. What are the upsides of fluoride? What are the risks? What would removing it actually do? They put together a really phenomenal 8 minute breakdown where you can just learn everything you need to know. That is exclusively up on our YouTube channel right now. You can find us by going to YouTube and typing in Tangled News. It'll be the first video on the channel that you see or one of the first videos that you see, and it's really worth your time. When you're done with the podcast, I highly recommend it. John did a great job and it's worth taking a look. So with that, I'm going to send it over to the man himself for today's main story and I'll be back for my take.
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Thanks, Isaac, and welcome everybody. Hope you all had a wonderful Memorial Day weekend. As we reflect on the sacrifices of those who served our country, let's also think about what we have to offer and how we can be of service to one another. Let's bring the best of ourselves to everything we do this week and I'm.
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Here are your quick hits for today. First up, President Donald Trump extended the deadline to negotiate a trade deal with the European Union to July 9. The President had previously said that he would increase tariffs on EU imports to 50% if a deal is not reached by June 1. Number two, the Trump administration is reportedly canceling the federal government's remaining contracts with Harvard university, totaling approximately $100 million, and will instruct federal agencies to find alternative vend for future services. Separately, President Trump said he is considering redirecting $3 billion of Harvard's federal grants to U.S. trade schools. Number three, President Trump announced he would pardon Scott Howard Jenkins, a former Virginia Sheriff convicted in 2024 of accepting over $75,000 in bribes in exchange for appointing businessmen to auxiliary deputy sheriffs within his department. Number four, Iran's Foreign Ministry said the country is open to compromises on its nuclear program but would not stop enriching its uranium stockpiles. The United States has previously insisted that Iran end all uranium enrichment as part of a nuclear deal. At number five, the Conference Board's rating of US Consumer confidence recorded its largest monthly gain in four years, exceeding economists estimates.
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Isaac Saul
Outside of the White House.
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This as Russia has stepped up its attacks on Ukraine. This as President Donald Trump is lashing out at Russian President Vladimir Putin.
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He says the Russian leader has gone, in his words, absolutely crazy.
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Late Sunday night into Monday morning, Russia launched its largest drone and missile attacks on Ukraine since the start of its full scale invasion in 2020. Ukraine's air force said Russia launched over 350 explosive drones and at least nine cruise missiles in the attack, which followed a similar aerial assault one day earlier that killed at least 12 people. The string of attacks marks a serious setback as U.S. and European leaders attempt to broker a peace agreement between the countries. Hours before Monday morning's attack, President Donald Trump sharply criticized Russian President Vladimir Putin in a post on Truth Social, writing, I've always had a very good relationship with Vladimir Putin of Russia, but something.
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Has happened to him.
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He's gone absolutely crazy. He is needlessly killing a lot of people and I'm not just talking about soldiers. Trump also said that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is doing his country no favors by talking the way he does. Everything out of his mouth causes problems. Russia's government characterized the attacks as a response to Ukrainian strikes on Russian territory over the weekend. Russian spokesman Dmitry Peskov also seemed to respond to Trump's criticism of Putin, saying, this is a very important moment which is connected to an emotional overload of everyone involved and emotional reactions. President Zelensky described the drone and missile attacks as deliberate strikes on ordinary cities, adding that each such terrorist Russian strike is a sufficient reason for new sanctions against Russia. The silence of America, silence of others around the world only encourages Putin. In recent weeks, President Trump has stepped up his efforts to broker a peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine. Speaking with President Putin for roughly two hours on May 19 to discuss the conflict, Trump pushed the Russian president to.
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Accept a 30 day ceasefire that Ukraine.
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Has already accepted, but Putin refused, though he suggested he was open to resuming direct peace talks. Putin has also resisted calls to accept a ceasefire from European leaders who previously threatened new sanctions on Russia and if it did not reach a truce by May 12. On May 20, the European Union adopted sanctions against Russia that targeted energy revenues and imposed new trade restrictions. Despite their lack of progress toward a ceasefire, Russia and Ukraine recently held their first high level talk since 2022, agreeing to a major exchange of 1,000 prisoners and signaling further discussions. The sides completed the first phase of the prisoner swap on Friday, exchanging 390 captives each, then completed two more swaps on Saturday and Sunday. Today we'll cover the latest developments in the conflict with views from the right, left and writers abroad, and then Isaac's take.
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We'll be right back after this quick break.
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All right, first up, let's start with what the right is saying. The right is mixed on Trump's handling of the war, with some suggesting that Biden's policies put him in an impossible situation. Others say that Trump's deference to Putin will only prolong the conflict in American greatness. Fred Fleitz wrote about why it is so difficult for Trump to clean up Biden's Ukraine mess. Indeed, President Trump has not yet succeeded in ending this brutal war. Russian President Putin has indeed been difficult to deal with, has failed to abide by his commitments with Trump and his officials, and has escalated the war despite Trump's peace efforts. Flight said it is unfair to portray these potentially temporary outcomes as failures of Trump's Ukraine policy, as they ignore that his peace efforts aim to address an enormous foreign policy crisis caused by his predecessor that may not be easily fixed or solved, Biden emboldened Putin to invade Ukraine by ignoring the Russian leader's fear of Ukraine moving closer to the west and joining NATO. Although Biden and his senior officials never explicitly called for Ukraine to join NATO, the they dangled NATO membership before Ukrainian President Zelensky and repeatedly said this decision was up to Ukraine, flates wrote. Biden and European leaders also pursued policies that caused the war to become a stalemate, which Ukraine will eventually lose. Trump finds the Ukraine war difficult to end because Biden's foreign policy failures were so severe. This does not mean the war is unsolvable, but it may mean that the Ukraine mess Biden left for Trump will be far more difficult to clean up than anyone thought. In the New York Post, Rich Lowry argued, trump is getting the Ukraine Russia war all wrong, and he's making it even harder on himself. The man who instigated the war and who is the chief obstacle to peace is Vladimir Putin. Yet this enemy of the west, murderer of dissidents and serial perpetrator of wars of territorial aggrandizement has never been subjected to the same US Pressure campaign as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Lauri said. One of Trump's advantages on the world stage is that he can make use of the madman theory, the idea that he's so unpredictable and potentially extreme that it's best not to displease him. Against type, Trump has been less the madman with Putin than the therapist.
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So long as Putin believes he is.
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Winning and holds all the cards, there is no reason for him to become more pliable. Trump and other administration officials have floated further economic measures against Russia, but these would probably be of limited utility, lowry wrote. If Ukraine isn't going to buckle and the United States isn't going to abandon her, the Russians might reach a point of exhaustion. Short of that, Putin has every reason to think he can persevere when the world's superpower is inclined to blame the victim of his unprovoked aggression. Alright, that is it for what the right is saying. Which brings us to what the left is saying. The left is critical of Trump's handling of the war, questioning his refusal to punish Putin. Some say that the president fundamentally misunderstands the dynamics of the conflict. In the New York Times, David E. Sanger said Trump condemns Putin's killings in Ukraine but doesn't make him pay a price. Mr. Trump's rare criticism of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia came after a weekend of the largest bombardment of Ukrainian cities over the past three years, mostly aimed at civilian targets from residential areas in Kyiv to university dormitories, Sanger wrote. But Mr. Trump has never linked the attacks with his own decision, reaffirmed last week to refuse to join the Europeans in new financial sanctions on Russia or to offer new arms and help to the Ukrainians. The result is a strategic void in which Mr. Trump complains about Russians continued killing, but so far has been unwilling to make Mr. Putin pay even a modest price. The pattern is a familiar one. Mr. Trump signals he is pulling back from a conflict he often describes as Europe's war, then expresses shock that Mr. Putin responds with a familiar list of demands that amount to a Ukrainian surrender followed by accelerating attacks. Mr. Trump episodically insists he is absolutely considering sanctions, including on Sunday, sanger said. Missing from Trump's zigzags is any explanation of why he has been unable to use his relationship with Mr. Putin to persuade him to halt the violence, even for a 30 day ceasefire. In Bloomberg, Hal Brands wrote, sorry, Donald Trump, but Ukraine is your war. Trump took office pledging to end this war within 24 hours. He keeps failing due to two fundamental and increasingly obvious the first is that he misdiagnosed the problem as Ukrainian intransigence rather than Putin's unwillingness to allow that country to survive as a territorially viable geopolitical independent state, brand said. Thus the second at this stage there is no compromise to be had. The war will continue until Ukraine capitulates and becomes a dismembered demilitarized Russian satrapy, or until Putin concludes that the price of winning that prize is far too high. Trump's ambivalence toward NATO and his antipathy for Ukraine make the question of security guarantees intractable. But most of all, Trump can't shift to a more aggressive strategy because that requires making Ukraine's war, which he protests endlessly, is former President Joe Biden's war. His own, brands wrote. Trump has savaged America's role in Ukraine from the outset. He has argued that Washington is wasting money and tempting World War iii. So pivoting and truly punishing Putin would mean embracing a cause in which Trump has never believed. Alright, that is it for what the right and the left are saying. Which brings us to what writers abroad are saying. Some writers abroad suggest the war will only end through military defeat for Russia. Others commend Trump for his push to end the war but say diplomacy is an inadequate strategy at this juncture. In the Kyiv Independent, Andreas Umlund wrote about why Washington failed to end the Russo Ukrainian War. The Russian war economy and population's military mobilization are now so far advanced that they cannot be easily stopped. Moscow is not any longer able to abruptly discontinue war. Fighting on land said what would happen to Russia's hundreds of thousands of enlisted soldiers, large scale weapons production and routine bellicose, as well as intense Ukrainophobic campaigns in many spheres of Russian social life, education, media, culture, etc. If there is suddenly a permanent peace? These and similar signals from Moscow allow only one to end the Russo Ukrainian war, Russia needs to experience a humiliating defeat on the battlefield. Russian imperialism will not be neutralized by negotiations, compromises, or concessions. Instead, such approaches only promote further foreign adventurism in Moscow and military escalation along Russia's borders. The Kremlin will one day end Russia's expansionist wars as well as genocidal terror against civilians in Ukraine and elsewhere. Yet for that to happen, the Russian people first need to start believing that such behavior cannot lead to victory, may trigger internal collapse, and will be resolutely punished. For the Atlantic Council, Peter Dickinson argued, Putin aims to destroy Ukraine and has zero interest in a compromise peace. It is no surprise to see mounting unease in Western capitals over the US Push to end the Russia Ukraine war. Since Trump first initiated peace talks in February, Ukraine has agreed to an unconditional ceasefire and signaled its readiness to make major territorial concessions. In contrast, Russia has consistently rejected calls for a ceasefire while proposing new conditions of its own and creating various obstacles to any meaningful progress. Dickinson said Putin continues to insist that any settlement must focus on eliminating what he refers to as the root causes of the war. This is generally understood to mean Ukraine's international neutrality and disarmament, along with the re establishment of Russia's former imperial dominance in every sphere of Ukrainian public life. Putin is understandably happy to exploit the Trump administration's enthusiasm for peace talks. This allows him to buy time, divide the west, and reduce the flow of weapons to Ukraine. But it is already abundantly clear that he has no real interest in ending his invasion, Dickinson wrote. Trump deserves considerable credit for seizing the initiative and attempting to end the war between Russia and Ukraine. At the same time, his current approach is obviously not working. The time has now come to stop seeking compromises with the Kremlin and start speaking to Putin in the language of strength. All right, let's head over to Isaac for his take.
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Isaac Saul
All right, that is it for the left and the right are saying, and some writers from abroad. Which brings us to my take. Let me start with this. Do you remember the Oval Office blow up between Trump and Zelensky? I know it feels like a millennium ago, it's really been less than three months, but I think revisiting it is relevant today. As we wrote at the time, the entire meeting went up in flames just after Vice President J.D. vance said that President Biden talked tough on Putin for years before Putin invaded Ukraine, adding, quote, the path to peace is maybe engaging in diplomacy. Candidly, Vance's line was delivered in a rather smug tone. That implied this path had never been tried before. And at this, Zelenskyy could no longer bite his tongue. And I didn't blame him. This is how he responded. He, Putin occupied various parts of Ukraine in 2014. During that time, it was President Obama, then President Trump, then President Biden, and now it's President Trump and he will stop him, meaning Putin. But during 2014, nobody stopped him. He just occupied and took. He killed people. From 2014 till 2022, the situation was the same. People have been dying on the contact line and nobody stopped him. We had a lot of conversations with him, including a bilateral conversation. As a new president in 2019, I signed with him a ceasefire deal alongside Macron and Merkel. All of them told me he will never go. We also signed a gas contract with him. But after all that, he broke the ceasefire, he killed our people, and he didn't exchange prisoners. We signed the exchange of prisoners, but he didn't do it. What kind of diplomacy, JD are you speaking about? What do you mean? Fans replied to this by saying, I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that is going to stop your country from getting destroyed. Before the entire meeting went off the rails, fans called Zelensky disrespectful for his response, criticized him for litigating the issue in front of the media, and everything then devolved after nearly three months. Trump's attempts at tough talk and diplomacy have done precisely nothing. And Zelenskyy's entire point was that Vance could not describe what kind of diplomacy would stop Putin from murdering Ukrainians has been vindicated. Putin hasn't stopped. He has only gotten more aggressive. Trump's response, finally, briefly, and hopefully not fleetingly, seeing Putin as he is is equal parts encouraging as it is frustrating. As I've been loudly saying for over three years, we cannot lose sight of the most basic story of this war. Vladimir Putin believes a nation of 40 million free Ukrainians belongs to him, based on the delusion that Russia has a historical right to the entire country. Ukrainians are now dealing with the consequences of this belief. Europeans and surrounding nations fear that this belief applies to them too. So they have taken precautions. They have joined NATO or beefed up their alliance with the United States, or generally tried to batten down the hatches at their borders. Putin, and at times Trump, have framed this defensive posture as offensive aggression and used it as an excuse to launch an invasion, which, by the way, was always nonsensical. A bit like me threatening to punch someone in the face, then getting upset when they put a helmet on, then saying I had to punch them in the face because they were putting on the helmet. And that's the basic plot. But we should also take into account the more recent events in this story, starting with Trump taking office. As Fred Fleet noted under what the Right Is Saying, this war did start under Biden and Trump has only been in office for four months. Trump is trying to clean up a mess that Biden was unable to. However, Trump's strategy to contain Putin has been as ineffective as Biden's. In fact, the fighting in both the Russia, Ukraine and Israel Gaza wars is more ferocious now than when Trump took office, despite his promises to quickly wind down each conflict. Putting all the events since Trump took office in order shows that the escalation is probably not coincidental. In the first few weeks after taking office, Trump repeatedly frames Zelensky as the leader most uninterested in ending the war, describing him as a dictator forcing his people to conscript. Then came the infamous Oval Office blow up. Then the Trump administration invited Putin and Zelenskyy to Turkey for peace talks. Zelenskyy agreed and showed up. Putin said he'd come, didn't, then kept bombing Ukraine. Then Trump bragged about his excellent two hour phone call with Putin and a few days later Putin launched the largest attack on Ukraine since the beginning of the invasion. At least Trump was able to get Ukraine to agree to the mineral rights deal, but aside from that, there has been little progress and the deal clearly isn't proving to be the deterrent I thought it could. So when Trump says I don't know what the hell happened to Putin, my honest response is where the hell have you been? I'm relieved that he seems to have finally realized that Putin wants to take all of Ukraine. Maybe this will change Trump's approach, but I also wonder why it took this long for him to see it. Putin has not dramatically changed in recent days. He talked about taking Ukraine for years. His troops have been bombing Ukrainians in major civilian centers and kidnapping their children since the start of the invasion over three years ago. And before that, Putin was disappearing dissidents, authorizing chemical weapons attacks and annexing various other territories in the region. What matters now is whether Trump's realization will last or impact his approach in any meaningful way. My theory of Trump is that he is often most compelled by the last argument he has heard. If Putin keeps doing what he's doing, which he will, and the people around Trump describe things as they are, that could provide a pathway towards peace without major Ukrainian concessions, maybe that will lead Trump to wash his hands of the conflict and completely withdraw, but maybe it will allow Zelensky to draw the US into an international coalition backing Ukraine and putting more pressure on Putin to stop. I am hopeful about that possibility, but my most dominant reaction is dismay. Dismay for all the time we've wasted as a country bickering over who Putin really is, or all the time this administration burned on a false narrative about the two leaders who in question, or how far we now need to go to find a lasting solution.
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All right, that is it for my take. Which brings us to your questions answered. This one's from Rob in Appleton, Wisconsin. Rob said so I came across a Snopes article the other day that stated as fact that 74% of those deported under President Obama were done so without due process. How is that different from what is going on now? Okay, so that's basically true. President Obama did deport 3 million people from the United States, and the Snopes article does a very thorough job of breaking down data from the Department of Homeland Security to show that an average of 74% of those removed from did not receive a hearing or trial upon removal. However, removing people without a trial is not the same as denying due process. That may seem a bit like hair splitting, but the distinction is pretty important. U.S. law allows for deportation without trial legally under certain circumstances. Reinstatement of removal for people who re entered the US illegally after being previously deported, administrative removal for noncitizens with felony convictions and expedited removal, which Obama used to remove unauthorized migrants and detained within 100 miles of the border who were present in the US for less than 14 days and Trump is using for any unauthorized migrant in the country for less than two years. Obama used all three of those tools heavily, and many of those he deported had prior convictions, meaning due process had already been granted to them. President Trump, however, is attempting a new mechanism. He has claimed that some foreign gangs represent an invading force that justifies the removal of their alleged members under the Alien Enemies Act. When he ordered the removal of alleged gang members to a prison in El Salvador, the removed prisoners weren't technically deported. They were accused of being part of a criminal organization and then jailed without a trial to determine their guilt. Put differently, they were denied their due process. They weren't simply returned to their home countries, they were sent to a foreign prison. All right, that is it for your questions answered. I'm going to send it back to John for the rest of the pod and I'll see you guys tomorrow.
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Have a good one.
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Peace.
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Thanks, Isaac. Here's your under the Radar story for today, folks. Through the first three months of 2025, credit scores have dropped more than 100 points for 2.2 million Americans who missed payments on their student loans, a decrease that's on par with the penalty for a personal bankruptcy filing. At the same time, rejection rates for auto loans, credit cards and mortgage refinancing all increased in February compared to the year pr, and more financial strain could be coming. The Federal Reserve bank of New York estimated that approximately one in four borrowers required to make loan repayments were more than 90 days behind at the end of March. The rise in missed payments coincides with the expiration of the Biden administration's pause in repayments at the end of September. And the Trump administration has restarted collection efforts on defaulted student loans this month. This is the beginning of something big, Dominik Myrtin, CEO of American Pride bank, said. There's a very high cost to having a low credit score in America. Your cost of living goes up. Your cell phone bill, your utilities, your insurance payments, everything. And that trickles down through the economy. The Washington Post has this story and there's a link in today's episode Description alright, next up is our numbers section. The approximate percentage of Ukraine occupied by Russia as of May 2025 is 20%. According to the Council on Foreign Relations, the amount in square kilometers of Ukrainian territory gained by Russia in 2024 was 4,000. The percent change in civilian casualties in Ukraine from March to April is 23%, according to the United Nations. The approximate number of civilian casualties in Ukraine since February 2022 is 45,000, including 13,134 deaths. Ukraine's approximate population in 2023 was 37.7 million, according to Data Commons. The estimated decrease in the number of Russian military aged males ages 20 to 44 in 2035 compared to 2025 will be 1.22 million to 3.58 million, according to the UN Population Division. The low end estimate for the number of Russian military aged males in 2035 will be 20.1 million. The average number of new artillery shells produced by Russia per month in 2024 was 250,000. The average number of new artillery shells produced by European Union member countries and the United States, respectively, per month in 2024 was 83,000 and 30,000. And the percentage of Democrats and Republicans, respectively, who say the United States has a responsibility to help Ukraine defend itself from Russia's invasion is 67% and 23%, according to a March 2025 Pew Research survey.
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And last but not least, our have.
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A nice day story.
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Parkinson's disease is the second most common neurodegenerative disorder in the world, affecting coordination, balance and speech, and it currently does.
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Not have a cure.
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However, a non profit called Upending Parkinson's employs an unconventional form of rock climbing. Parkinson's makes you feel very small. You make small movements, you're hunched over, and rock climbing makes you feel like you can accomplish the world. John Lesn, a former doctor with Parkinson's who originally proposed the idea, said the therapy has provided positive results, helping climbers maintain their fine motor skills for longer. CBS News has this story and there's a link in today's episode description alright.
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Everybody, that is it for today's episode.
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