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Isaac Saul
Good morning, good afternoon and good evening and welcome to the Tango Podcast, a place we get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking and a little bit of my take on I'm your host Isaac SAUL and on today's episode we're going to be talking about Donald Trump's moves in Washington, D.C. to activate the National Guard and try and take over the local police force. We're going to talk about exactly what problem he claims to be trying to address and what this means legally, what might come down the road for Washington D.C. in the future, and some views from the left and the right. And of course, my take before we jump into the main story though, I want to give you a quick reminder that last week we published our longest and most ambitious video yet, a documentary look into the life of a member of Congress, Representative Jake Auchincloss, the Democrat from Massachusetts. This Friday we're going to publish a reader mailbag answering your questions about our experience spending three days with a member of Congress and offering behind the scenes look at how the piece came together. So if you want to learn more, please write in or fill out the form in today's Episode description, which has a link to the video so we can answer your questions in the newsletter. All right, with that, I'm going to send it over to Will for today's main topic and I'll be back for my take.
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Will Kbach
Thanks, Isaac. All right, let's get into today's quick hits. Number one President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky met at the White House to discuss a potential deal to end the war in Ukraine. President Trump also pushed for a trilateral meeting with Zelensky and Russian President Vladimir Putin. Number two, Hamas agreed to a Qatari and Egyptian proposed ceasefire agreement that reportedly includes a 60 day pause in fighting, Hamas release of 10 live hostages and 18 deceased hostages, and Israel's release of Palestinian prisoners. Israel has not indicated whether they will accept the deal. Number three President Trump said he would sign an executive order ending the use of mail in ballots and voting machines ahead of the 2026 midterm elections. If issued, the order is likely to draw legal challenges from states. Number four House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer, a Republican from Kentucky, said the Justice Department will begin sharing documents from its investigation of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and in compliance with a subpoena issued by the committee. And finally, number five, Newsmax agreed to pay $67 million to settle a defamation lawsuit brought by Dominion Voting Systems over the cable news channel's claims that Dominion helped rig the 2020 U.S. presidential election. Republican governors from West Virginia, South Carolina and Ohio, they are dispatching members of their national guard to Washington, D.C. after President Trump declared what he calls a public safety emergency. They're cracking down on crime and homelessness in our nation's capital. Over the weekend, protesters hit the streets to push back. On Aug. 11, President Donald Trump issued a memorandum mobilizing the District of Columbia national guard to Washington, D.C. and an executive order placing the city's police department under federal control. Following the announcement, approximately 800 D.C. national Guard troops were deployed to the city the president said he intended to restore public safety in the Capitol because the local government had, quote, lost control of crime. Trump also suggested he would consider similar actions in other US cities for context. In 2024, Washington, DC's murder rate was roughly 25 per 100,000 residents. While the rate of violent crime has fall in recent years, the Capitol is routinely in the top tier of the US most violent cities. According to data collected by the Metropolitan Police Department, the MPD violent crime in The Capitol in 2024 was down 35% from the year prior, reaching its lowest level in 30 years. However, the veracity of this data has come under scrutiny as the department recently suspended Commander Michael Pulliam in July when, while it investigates allegations that he manipulated crime statistics in his district, data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which tabulates crime data differently than the MPD, showed a 9% drop in violent crime in D.C. in 2024. President Trump invoked Section 740 of DC's Home Rule act to put the city's police department under federal control. Under this section of the law, the President may order the D.C. mayor to provide such services of the Metropolitan Police Force as the President may deem necessary and appropriate, end quote. When the President determines that an emergency requires such action, this control can last for up to 30 days with congressional notice. In his memorandum, Trump cited recent public safety incidents, including the murder of two Israeli embassy staffers in May and the attack on a Department of Government Efficiency staffer earlier this month as grounds for the emergency declaration. District of Columbia Mayor Muriel Bowser criticized Trump's declarations and deployments, writing on X American soldiers and airmen policing American citizens on American soil is unamerican, Although she acknowledged that Trump has the authority to federalize the police in dc, Mayor Bowser also questioned the legality of Trump's use of the National Guard. Separately, the police force takeover has prompted large protests across the Capitol. Since the National Guard's deployment, the White House says that roughly two hundred and forty people have been arrested and over 70 homeless encampments have been destroyed. The Guard itself is not making arrests, but instead providing support for local law enforcement and conducting patrols. This week, National Guard troops from Mississippi, Ohio, South Carolina and West Virginia were deployed to the Capitol at the request of the federal government, and they may begin carrying weapons during their patrols. On Friday, the Trump administration in Washington, D.C. reached an agreement over control of the local police force after the city sued to stop the federal takeover. The agreement permits the federal government to retain control of the MPD but blocks Drug Enforcement Administration Administrator Terry Cole from acting as emergency head of the police force, as the administration initially attempted to do. Under the terms, Cole must work through Mayor Bowser's office before directing the mpd, but Bowser is required to adhere to his requests. MPD Chief Pamela Smith Smith will also return to the department. Today we'll break down the latest in the federal takeover of Washington DC's policing, with views from the right and the left. Then Isaac will give his take.
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Here's what the right is the right mostly supports the federal takeover, suggesting disorder in the Capitol has been rampant for years. Some say that Trump is well within his power to exercise this authority. Others note the toll that crime in D.C. has taken on the community. In the Spectator, Ben Domenech argued Trump is right to take over dc. Ever since the violent summer of George Floyd, Washington has struggled to achieve the same return to normalcy that has been the case in other major cities. A major driver is the lack of sufficient police staffing, with the Metro Police Department running almost 1,000 officers short of needed levels. Carjackings and vehicle theft are three times the national average, and the homicide rate is six times that of New York City, dominic wrote. The poor response times and lack of inability to disperse gang activity is taken for granted by residents, with restaurant closures and other venues seeing less foot traffic because of the crime concerns. The overall result of Trump's move, in media terms, will be to make national figures finally pay attention to how bad things are in dc, if only to deny they justify his actions. But they'll also be set to use any criminal activity that does happen going forward to argue that the administration's methods are ineffective, dominic said. But this is a sideshow. The real question is how DC's citizens feel about what comes next and whether it makes DC feel safe again. As a local who hasn't been willing to risk taking my children into the city late in the day, I can hope that changes soon. In national review, Charles C.W. cook said DC's home rule is a luxury, not a right. Per the plain terms of the US Constitution, Congress has plenary power over the seat of government in the United States, which is not a city or a state, or even a reservation, but a special district like no other in the land, cook wrote. If the national legislature wishes to, it can delegate some of its power to a council or a mayor or an emissary in a pointy hat, but it is not obliged to do so. In dc, home rule is a luxury, a privilege, an indulgence. I would prefer that Washington, D.C. be transmuted into a genuine federal district, with the vast majority of the city's area handed back to Maryland, Virginia, or any other state that is willing to take it. Until such a time as that is achieved, however, it is entirely reasonable for the United States Congress and to the extent he has been empowered by the law, the United States President, to exercise control over land, that is the undisputed preserve of the United States. If, as seems plainly to be the case, the region's experiment in political devolution has been a failure, it is not only right but necessary that the rightful ministry be restored. In the Atlantic, Charles Van Lehman wrote Trump is right that DC has a serious crime problem. Is crime in dc, as Trump put it last week, totally out of control? Critics were quick to dismiss his claims as fear mongering. Lehman said the reality is much more complicated than either the president or the mayor depicted. Bowser is right that violence has declined, but the nation's capital really does have a long standing and profound violence problem that will not improve without deliberate intervention. Although violent crime rates overall are near 30 year lows, Washington's murder rate was generally rising before the pandemic. The murder rate at the end of 2024 was lower than in 2023, but still about 70% higher than that of a decade prior. This violence takes a dreadful toll on the communities it affects. In 2023, the most recent year for which complete data are available, 3.4 out of every 1,000 black boys and men ages 15 to 24 in Washington died by homicide. That's nearly 3.5 times higher than the national rate, lehman wrote. A federal takeover of DC's crime apparatus could in theory address this problem, though it's far from guaranteed. There's a real risk the feds could posture for 30 days, the window in which Trump will likely maintain control of the MPD and then declare victory as violence continues its downward trajectory. That would of course, do little to fix the real problems. Now here's what the left is saying. The left is strongly opposed to Trump's actions, saying he is more interested in control than addressing crime. Some suggest Trump is making it more difficult for DC to improve public safety. Others say DC has a real crime problem but question Trump's approach. In the Atlantic, Jonathan Chait argued Trump doesn't really care about crime. Trump claims that he is acting to quell a spike in violent crime, and although he might very well feel sincere concern about crime, this does not explain his actions any more than concern, concern about fentanyl smuggling, which he no doubt also genuinely opposes, motivates his trade restrictions against Canada. Chait said the most obvious reason for skepticism about Trump's desire to fight crime is that he is the most pro criminal president in American history. He has treated laws as suggestions throughout his career, beginning with his defiance of Justice Department orders that he and his father stop discriminating against black prospective tenants. Serious policy experts, some of them conservative, have proposed solutions to bring down crime levels in Washington. The most straightforward remedy is to fill vacancies in the city's courts to speed up the processing of criminal cases. At Trump's press conference, the Fox News host turned U.S. attorney Jeanine Pirro denounced the District of Columbia's laws restricting sentencing for juvenile offenders. Chait wrote, Trump's plan bears little resemblance to any of these remedies. His big idea is to flood the streets with troops. In the Hill, svante Myrick said Trump unleashes troops on cities already making progress on crime. I was a mayor for 10 years. All mayors deal with crime, and we have learned a lot about what works to make cities safer for everyone. That's why so many cities, including Washington, D.C. are safer today than they were 10, 20 or 30 years ago, Myrick wrote. I believe Trump taking control of DC's police department and calling out the National Guard based on false claims about crime is both an attempt to distract voters from bad news about the extraordinary harm he is unleashing on the American people and and an effort to further test the limits of his own power. Trump made it clear in Los Angeles that he will deploy National Guard troops over the objections of state and local officials. He has explicitly threatened to expand his tactics in D.C. to other cities, where he has far less constitutional legitimacy to intervene, Meyrick said. The president would like to distract us from bad economic news on jobs and the price of groceries, and certainly the president would rather we not pay much attention to the astonishing levels of shady dealing that have made Trump and his family billions of dollars rich. Trump abusing his power to shift the narrative is an aspect of his authoritarian rule. It's not going to make residents of D.C. or any other city safer. Finally, the Washington Post editorial board wrote about how Trump's D.C. crime experiment ends. President Donald Trump likes a foil, and few serve his political needs quite like DC's government. By federalizing the local police force this week, he allowed himself to pose as a man of action and then dare his opponents to claim that crime in the Capitol is not a problem. Yet his law and order message so far has translated into little more than security theater, and it cannot go on forever, the board said. The president says he wants to maintain indefinite control, but the Home Rule act gives him only 30 days. After that, he's required to get an extension from Congress. Trump is not known for his interest in policy minutia, whether the question is over taxes or street crime. Whatever his motivation for picking this fight now, Republicans on Capitol Hill would do the city a service by developing a credible plan for how federal intervention might help D.C. accomplish accomplish what police could not on their own, the board wrote. Politically, Trump's opening gambit has paid off, and he should be on defensible legal ground at least for three more weeks, even if this question has never been litigated. But if he cannot show results and instead pivots to another stunt, this will become a political albatross. All right, that's it for what the left is saying. Let's send it over to Isaac for his take.
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Isaac Saul
All right, that is it for what the left and the right are saying. Which brings us to my take. So I'll be honest, this one worries me. Back in March, I answered a reader question from someone wondering whether they were witnessing real threats to American democracy under Trump or Seeing Ghost. They asked, what would a political candidate that could undermine American democracy or its protection of citizens to bring America to its own Tiananmen Square or Holocaust or some other fresh horror look like? Would there be warning signs? I answered by saying that I would look for five things. 1. The DOJ or FBI attempting to prosecute or imprison prominent Democratic leaders, especially those potentially running for office in 2028. 2. Using the military, especially with excessive force, against peaceful protesters. 3. The eroding or ending of free and fair elections. 4. Democrats completely submitting to Trump and failing to provide meaningful political opposition or or 5. Genuinely restricting free speech. While the effectiveness of their resistance has been a mixed bag, Democrats seem far from folding and in fact appear to be fighting Trump more enthusiastically now than a few months ago. However, everything else I listed has been moving steadily forward. The DOJ and FBI are threatening to prosecute Barack Obama, Joe Biden and others. Trump is promising to encroach on how states conduct elections while also escalating the gerrymandering arms race to its furthest extremes yet. I noted back in March that speech restrictions were already happening, and a couple months after using the National Guard against protesters in Los Angeles, the president is now deploying the military to police the streets of Washington, D.C. i set these five warning signs just weeks into the Trump administration, after trying to think of the least overreactive, most direct ways to measure authoritarian actions from any president. It is not Trump Derangement syndrome to observe that Trump has been checking some of them off. It's just reality. If Trump were standing up to say this is a unique problem calling for a unique solution and we've allowed crime in D.C. to worsen for far too long. That would be one thing. After all, DC crime is actually quite bad. More on that in a second. And the federal government is uniquely positioned to legally police the city. Instead, Trump is making it crystal clear that D.C. is a trial run for other cities, even though the National Guard isn't making arrests as of now, the president possibly deploying the military to any city he personally deems deserving of the government's strong hand should worry everyone. I find it particularly alarming that Democrats are failing to supply a resonant message against Trump, which makes me think he may actually win public support for this power grab. Hakeem Jeffries, for example, responded to Trump's move by saying, quote, the crime scene in D.C. most damaging to Americans is at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, before parroting the line that violent crime in Washington a 30 year low and telling Trump to get lost. It's a nice zinger. And it's true that the overall reported violent crime rate is at a 30 year low. However, it's also true that D.C. remains one of the national leaders in violent crime. Journalists all over the city have stories of their own personal experiences. Indeed, just a few weeks ago, a member of the Tangle staff was actually jumped and beaten up there. It's anecdotal, but I don't hear these stories as much from other cities. Meanwhile, the hard and objective data in D.C. is not that reliable. Crime data is based on violations like assaults and armed robberies that are notoriously underreported, especially in cities where people don't think the police are going to do anything. Worse yet, Washington, D.C. 's police department is literally in the middle of an internal investigation into whether the city has been systematically altering their crime numbers. A D.C. police commander just got suspended amid the investigation. Despite the caveats, the reported statistics we do have are still alarming. Much more reliably reported homicides are not close to 30 year lows. The murder rate has ticked down in the last few years, but only after rising steadily since 2012. And it's still very high, at around 25 homicides per 100,000 residents. DC's murder rate is now 70% higher than it was a decade ago and nearly seven times that of New York City locals. 65% of whom say crime is a very or extremely serious problem in the city are also probably picking up on increases in public disorder, visible homelessness, and sanitation enforcement. Requests to the city's 311 line have spiked in the last two years, according to a Manhattan Institute report from Charles Fain Lehman, who penned an op ed piece featured under today's what the Right is Saying. Even before the surge, D.C. had one of the largest homeless populations in the United States. Which is all just to say crime is a serious problem in Washington D.C. that 30 year low talking point is misleading and possibly based on outright falsified data. And the crime in the District has been bad for decades. And yes, Democratic leaders in the city have failed to make meaningful strides to address it or actively neglected the issue, like by letting the city's crime lab lose accreditation for three full years. I regularly take a look at reader emails and the tangled comments, so I've noticed that anytime I align myself with one of Trump's diagnostics Nazis of an issue like his view that crime is bad enough for intervention in Washington D.C. while criticizing his solution like deploying U.S. soldiers into a major U.S. city, I seem to frustrate a lot of left leaning readers. And I admit that in turn these responses frustrate me. In most cases I much prefer a politician who tries to address a real problem with a bad idea than a politician who looks me in the eyes and tells me the problem doesn't exist. Even more aggravating are politicians who acknowledge a problem but demand I accept the status quo or claim that it isn't that bad, as many Democrats did with Biden's border crisis. In this case, Trump's solution, deploying the American military to a major US City is so extreme to me that it matters a lot less whether he is right about crime in D.C. than it does how he is responding. My concern today is almost an inversion of my normal response. Because he is right about the underlying problem and because many Democrats and left leaning journalists are denying it exists or failing to offer their own solutions, it's going to be easy for Trump to win the messaging war over a very dangerous plan. If Trump, Republicans and Democrats like Jeffries want to actually help, there is plenty they could do. Congress has unique authority over D.C. which is why Trump can easily deploy National Guard troops to the Capitol legally. And again, as reporter and D.C. resident Josh Barrow pointed out, Congress could address all the judicial vacancies in D.C. that leads to fewer prosecutions and fewer criminals being held accountable. Democrats could demand Republicans appropriate enough money to the city's budget to hire more actual police, not soldiers, to hit the streets. Republicans could also properly fund the National Park Service, which is responsible for many of the small parks across D.C. that are degrading without proper resources. That degradation ties directly into public drug use vagrancy and other issues DC faces. What we don't need are unmarked cars full of anonymous government agents refusing to identify themselves and snatching people up in the streets. We don't need soldiers patrolling some of DC's safest neighborhoods by foot. And we don't need a president who thinks the military is a police force he can deploy domestically whenever and wherever he wants. We do need to retain our sensitivity to something that just a few years ago may have been unimaginable. Trump's deployment of the National Guard and seizing control of the local police department needs to be rejected. And not because D.C. is a safe and secure place with historically low crime rates, but because the president is obviously testing the boundaries of what the public will accept, not just in DC, but in cities across the country. The government using the military as a police force isn't a warning sign of authoritarianism. It is the thing itself. It's a red flag when it happens in other countries. It's illegal in the US and unless you want to open the door to soldiers one day marching down the streets of your own city, you should reject the military deployment to dc. We must not only reject it, but demand a better solution, not just from Trump, but from local D.C. officials and Democrats, too. We'll be right back after this quick break.
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Check it out@lemonade.com foreign that is it for today's my take. We're skipping our your questions answered section. Once again, apologies yesterday. We had so much to catch up on today. You know, this story's been floating around for a week and we had a lot to cover again. But I promise that section is going to be back tomorrow and that's when I'll see you next. So have a good one. Sending it back to Will for the rest of the pod. I'll see you then. Peace.
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Will Kbach
All right, thanks, Isaac. Let's move on to today's under the radar story. Over the weekend, law enforcement arrested a woman from Indiana and charged her with making online death threats against President Donald Trump. U.S. attorney Jeanine Pirro's office said that Nathalie Rose Jones, 50, posted on social media on August 6, quote, I literally told the FBI in five states today that I am willing to sacrificially kill this POTUS by disemboweling him and cutting out his trachea, end quote. Then on Friday, Jones told the Secret Service that she had access to a bladed object and that, quote, if she had the opportunity, she would take the president's life and kill him at the compound. Jones was charged with one count of threatening death or bodily harm upon the president and one count of transmitting threats of violence using interstate commerce. She faces up to five years in prison on each charge if convicted. The Washington Post has the story and you can find the link to it in today's show notes. Moving on to today's numbers section, prior to 2020, the number of times that the D.C. national Guard, its predecessor, the D.C. militia, or federal armed forces, were placed on the federal active duty in The Capitol was 10 times. And that's according to a Congressional Research Service report. Now, the first such mobilization in the militia's history was in 1814, when the D.C. militia was activated to fight in the War of 1812. In 1857, the Marines were deployed to Washington, D.C. to restore peace in response to gang violence affecting the city's municipal election. The approximate number of National Guard troops from Ohio mobilized to join the D.C. national Guard in the Capitol this week is 150 troops. The approximate number of Guard troops from Mississippi that were mobilized was 200. The approximate number of National Guard troops from South Carolina who were mobilized was also 200. And finally, the approximate number of Guard troops from West Virginia was between 300 and 400. The number of multi agency teams involved in President Trump's federal takeover of The Capitol was 22, according to Fox News. And finally, the approximate number of personnel deployed across DC's seven police districts was 1,800. And let's bring it home with today's have a nice day story. For years, doctors viewed cardiac amyloidosis, a disease that impairs the heart's ability to pump blood, as rare and difficult to treat. Over the past year, however, a series of newly approved medications has made long term health increasingly attainable for those living with the disease. Recently published drug trials show new treatments can reduce cardiac deaths by up to 35% compared to placebo following treatment. One patient, 75 year old James Hicks, is back to his exercise regimen of lifting weights and e biking 100 miles a week. Hicks said, I don't feel 75 years old anymore. I feel much younger. The New York Times has this story and you can find it in today's show Notes all right, that is it for today's edition. Thanks as always for being with us and we will see you tomorrow. Until then, have a great day.
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Isaac Saul
Our Executive Editor and founder is me, Isaac Saul and our Executive Producer is John Lowell. Today's episode was edited and engineered by Dewey Thomas. Our editorial staff is led by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman with Senior Editor Will Kbach and Associate Editors Hunter Casperson, Audrey Moorhead Bailey Saw Lindsay Knuth and Kendall White. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet75. To learn more about Tangle and to sign up for a membership, please visit our website@retangle.com a real lemonade Pet Insurance Review by Madison H. You know I.
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