TBPN – October 8, 2025

Episode Title: Altman's Long-Term Vision, The GPU Bubble, Acquired Hosts Live in The Ultradome
Hosts: John Coogan & Jordi Hays
Special Guests: Ben Gilbert & David Rosenthal (Acquired), David Faugno (1Password), Sergiy Nesterenko (Quilter), Justin Lopas (Base Power), Ryan Daniels (Crosby), Zack Ganieany (Merit), Yash Rathod (Origin), Alex Shieh (Anti Fraud)

OVERVIEW

This lively episode of TBPN dives deep into the state of AI’s exponential growth, the emerging “GPU Bubble,” Sam Altman and OpenAI’s strategy, the skyrocketing AI infrastructure arms race, and the evolving deal-making landscape in technology. Live from the TBPN Ultradome, the hosts are joined by a parade of founder guests and the Acquired podcast hosts, offering a mix of market analysis, real industry stories, and thoughtful debate on where the AI and tech ecosystems are heading. Key themes include how AI is transforming business models, deal structures, productivity, and the talent economy, alongside the risks and rewards of the current market frenzy.

MAIN THEMES & PURPOSE

• Sam Altman & OpenAI’s Strategic Vision: Insights from Altman’s Stratechery interview and speculation about OpenAI’s next moves.
• AI & The ‘GPU Bubble’: Examining the trillion-dollar web of compute, infrastructure deals, and the risk of unsustainable exuberance in the AI hardware ecosystem.
• AI Talent, Deal Mania, & Business Model Shifts: How the “AI wars” are reshaping company strategies, partnerships, and the hiring landscape.
• Productivity, Valuations, and Bubble Talk: Weighing whether real AI-driven economic growth justifies valuation surges and heavy investment.
• Founders’ Roundtable: Live interviews with tech founders about leveraging AI in practice, company-building tactics, and navigating the new “deals era.”
• Special Segment – Acquired Podcast Crossover: An in-depth conversation with Ben Gilbert & David Rosenthal about the craft of tech podcasting and the evolution of company histories in the AI age.

DETAILED SUMMARY

1. [00:00–14:00] Opening: Altman, AI Progress, and the Turing Test

• Sam Altman’s Claims: Sam Altman, in a recent Stratechery interview, claims "by the popular conception, we have passed the Turing Test," triggering debate.
  • Jordi: "By the popular conception, we have passed the Turing test. Most people in 2020 did not think that was going to happen." [01:55]
• Human vs. AI Style: A classic Turing Test: hosts, intern Tyler, and ChatGPT give answers to "have we passed the Turing Test?" revealing the subtleties between human and AI.
  • Jordi: "Chatbot would give this, like, sort of short, to the point answer without a lot of nuance." [06:37]
• OpenAI: Underhyped or Overhyped? The hosts credit OpenAI for major recent product lines (Pulse News, Sora, agentic commerce), making the case that their execution merits “benefit of the doubt” and that they have "underhyped a few key things."

2. [14:00–22:30] AI Wars: The Talent Frenzy and Supply Chain

• Recap of the AI Talent Wars: The July/August 2025 "talent wars" saw enormous engineering offers but appear to be stabilizing.
  • John: "It felt obvious during that period...something was going to have to give. It feels like it's normalized again." [11:31]
• Strategic Partnerships Web: Analysis of OpenAI’s trillion-dollar computing deals with Broadcom, Nvidia, AMD, SK Hynix, Oracle, and even indirect competition with Google, Amazon, Meta, and more.
  • Jordi (quote from Altman): “Give us a few months and it'll all make sense...we are not as crazy as it seems. There is a plan.” [07:54]
  • John: "These deals are worth an astronomical amount of money...OpenAI’s computing deals exceed $1 trillion." [15:50]

3. [22:30–41:00] Monetization Hurdles and the Emerging ‘GPU Bubble’

• Monetizing AI at Scale:
  • Q: “How large is the market for paying ChatGPT users?” (Subscription vs. transaction/affiliate/ad models)
  • Hosts debate the coming pivot towards affiliate/agentic commerce, with OpenAI positioned to take a “cut” of transactional value.
    • Jordi: “I would assume it's going to flip any day now... I think that a lot of this agentic commerce stuff is like, live now.” [18:08]
• Ad Models, Affiliate, and Take Rates: Both Altman and Ben Thompson agree that affiliate monetization is logical and coming fast, with paid subscriptions nearing saturation.
  • Jordi: “Like everyone who wants one [a paid subscription] has one. Well, then the monetization of the free users is ramping.” [19:38]
• Bubble Warnings and Economic Risks:
  • Stacey Rasgon (Bernstein) and others warn of a “circular” (ouroboros) risk, with enormous bets “dependent on Altman continuing his trajectory.”
  • Jordi: "Sama has the power to crash the global economy for a decade or take us all out to the promised land." [22:18]

4. [41:00–54:35] Deep Dive on AI Company Tactics: Founders’ Interviews

Ramp (Kareem):

• AI in Expense Management: Use of policy agents, AP agents to automate invoices, detect fraud, optimize bill payments.
• Model Agnosticism: Continually adopting/testing new models and tools to stay practical, productive, and ensure taste/preference alignment with actual users.
  • Guest (Ramp): “We have a pretty sophisticated suite of tests that we run...there's an element of taste that is also starting to come out.” [33:57]
• Automation Risks & Security: Strong controls prevent “prompt injection” and financial mishaps.
  • Guest (Ramp): “There are guardrails at every single level to make sure that things don't go haywire.” [36:22]
• Adoption Culture: True AI ROI comes from company-wide buy-in, not “pilot it” point solutions.
  • Guest (Ramp): “It is not a magic wand...there is an element of you need to know exactly how to set it up.” [48:04]

Acquisitions and the 'Deals Era':

• Kareem describes the necessity of founder-level deal skills as “the news cycle around these things has gone earlier and earlier.”
  • Guest (Ramp): “I feel like it's always been the case...the news cycle...is earlier and earlier.” [43:20]

5. [54:35–1:17:51] Bubble Analysis: Doug O’Laughlin & The Animal Spirits of the Market

• GPU-Led Bubble Case: O’Laughlin (SemiAnalysis) is cited making the case that AI infrastructure investment is mirroring late-stage 90s bubbles.
  • US policy and easy money fuel the boom; primary risk is “everyone thinks they can get out before everybody else.”
• Productivity Data: Productivity-per-hour worked is surging—a key justification for the boom.
  • Jordi: “While people are losing lots of money selling tokens in aggregate, it's starting to 'work.' If we see new highs in labor productivity driven by AI, there will be almost no limit to the justification of AI spending.” [64:54]
• Capital Intensity & Leverage:
  • John (reading O’Laughlin): “Unlike the dot com bubble...today's bubble is driven by the largest, most profitable companies in the history of capitalism.” [74:15]
• Will the Big Tech Giants Go Cash Flow Negative to Win the Race? Hosts debate if Meta/Google will “flip the switch” on deficit capitalism in pursuit of AI hardware supremacy.
  • Jordi: “The next step is watching Google and Meta up the spending pass their free cash flow, which I think is rocket fuel for the next stage of the AI trade.” [79:15]

SPECIAL SEGMENT: [88:00–127:00] Acquired Hosts Live – Podcast Craft, Tech History, and the AI Age

• Podcasting Craft:
  • Acquired hosts (Ben Gilbert & David Rosenthal) discuss their decade-long journey, the evolution from hobbyists to dominant tech storytellers, and their meticulous book-like research process (“we’re basically writing a book every month now” [93:22]).
  • Early edge: “The advantages of just starting 10 years ago become more extreme—having two hosts that can spend weeks researching just a single topic...” [90:26]
  • Power of compound games: “We lucked out. It wasn't strategic, but we lucked into playing multiple compounding games.” [91:51]
• Role of Interviews & Research:
  • They never share notes before a show, keeping real-time reactions fresh.
  • David Rosenthal: “If 10 years ago you called up some of these people and you said, talk to me for an hour, they’d be like, sorry... Now they like it, they want to get their story told right.” [93:39]
• Reflections on AI & Business Histories:
  • Google's leadership in foundational AI and the “explosion” of ex-Google talent behind major AI breakthroughs.
    • Rosenthal: “The history of Google is actually the history of the entire AI landscape... almost all of them were there 2015, 2016.” [109:17]
  • Microsoft as Google's existential threat for decades, and how OpenAI’s partner choice stung: “We just spent 20 years getting out from under Microsoft and now here’s Microsoft coming back in.” [112:18]
• Frameworks & Enduring Business Advantages:
  • Enduring value of “7 Powers” (Hamilton Helmer) for understanding durable strategic advantage, but AI scaling laws/data network effects are creating new dynamics.
    • Rosenthal: “AI models have, because of scaling laws, much stronger data network effects and data moats than we've ever seen.” [113:23]

GUEST ROUNDTABLE: [127:00–end]

Notable Guest Segments:

- David Faugno (1Password) [132:25]:

- **Secure Agentic Autofill:** Partnership for end-to-end encrypted credential sharing with browser-based agents—addressing AI prompt authorization and hardcoded password risks.
- *Faugno:* “We're building this trust layer for agentic AI in the future.”

- Sergiy Nesterenko (Quilter) [143:10]:

- **Automating PCB Design:** Makes circuit board design “as close to writing code as possible.”  
- AI dramatically accelerates time-to-market for hardware innovation.

- Justin Lopas (Base Power) [149:23]:

- **$1B Series C & Battery Factories:** Scaling residential energy storage for grid flexibility, prepping for AI/electrification demand surges.
- *Lopas:* “The grid is not built for where power demand is today, certainly not built for where it's going.”

- Ryan Daniels (Crosby) [162:01]:

- **AI Law Firm Model:** Series A (Index), “hybrid AI law firm” driving contract processing to near-instant speeds.
- *Daniels:* “Selling software to be a copilot to lawyers is the limited bet… our long bet is orchestrating what kinds of terms go to a human and what can go to AI.”

- Zack Ganieany (Merit) [169:47]:

- **Reinventing Hiring:** Systematizing work-product-based talent matching; anti-credentialist, pro-agency view of startup hiring.
- *Ganieany:* “LinkedIn is not a solution to the hiring problem… we're focused on evaluating people based on real work proxies.”

- Yash Rathod (Origin) [178:29]:

- **AI for Drug Discovery:** AxIS model outperforms DeepMind’s AlphaGenome, aiming to unify biological data for gene therapy design and move toward an in-house therapeutic program.
- *Yash:* “Our focus now is on expanding the model's capabilities...and taking it into the lab to actually study the sequences the model is designing.”

- Alex Shieh (Anti Fraud) [184:33]:

- **Snitching as a Service:** $5M seed for an AI-driven, investigative journalism-powered firm that “blows the whistle” on corporate/government fraud and directly pursues whistleblower rewards.
- *Shieh:* “There’s a lot of fraud going on where private companies are cheating the government... It’s our job to use AI and investigative journalism to blow the whistle.”
- *John:* “An unhinged and awesome company. Glad you did it.” [186:41]

NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• On the Turing Test Debate:
  • Jordi [02:30]: “I ran the Turing Test... one answer from Tyler, one from GPT-5. It does clearly illustrate the difference... Tyler just says ‘Yeah, we passed it’.”
• Bubble Anticipation:
  • John: “It’s a bull market in bubble talk.”
  • Doug O’Laughlin (read by hosts): “The bubble might be different... as its mandate seems to come from the top. The project everyone is excited about is GPUs.” [63:40]
• Economic Impact:
  • Jordi [64:54]: “If we see new highs in labor productivity driven by AI, there will be almost no limit to justification for AI spending.”
• OpenAI’s Power:
  • Jordi [22:18]: “Sama has the power to crash the global economy for a decade or take us to the promised land.”
• Acquired Hosts on Podcasting:
  • Rosenthal [91:51]: “We lucked out. It wasn’t strategic, but we lucked into playing multiple compounding games.”
  • Jordi [128:18]: “The number that represents your progress more than anything else is just the years.”
• New Business Models for Investigative Journalism:
  • Shieh (Anti Fraud): “We’re not a SaaS business. We call it snitching as a service—paid only when we recover taxpayer money for the government. A better model for investigative journalism.”

TIMESTAMP HIGHLIGHTS

• [01:55]: Sam Altman’s Turing Test claim & discussion
• [07:54]: “Not as crazy as it seems. There is a plan.” (Altman’s vision)
• [11:31]: The normalization post-AI talent war
• [15:50]: The trillion-dollar compute deals
• [18:08]: “I think a lot of this agentic commerce stuff is live now.”
• [22:18]: “Sama has the power to crash the global economy...”
• [33:57]: Ramp CTO on model agnosticism, speed of new models
• [64:54]: AI productivity and the risk of limitless justification for spending
• [91:51]: Compounding effects of a decade in podcasting (Acquired hosts)
• [109:17]: Google's legacy—cradle of the AI landscape
• [113:23]: AI scaling laws and moats—new source of “7 Powers”
• [162:01]: Legal AI firm Crosby accelerates contract closure rate

FINAL TAKEAWAYS

• Exponential AI Growth Is Driving a New Kind of Bubble: There’s enormous optimism (and some justified fear) regarding multi-trillion dollar investments—betting on productivity, infrastructure scale, and foundational technology shifts.
• Founders Are Forced Into ‘Investor Mode’: Winning is no longer about pure product/tech excellence, but about doing, cutting, negotiating, and timing deals at massive scale.
• Skepticism, Humor, and “Show Me the Money”: All agree—the current wave may end poorly for some, but the belief in technological progress and founder agency is, for now, unfazed.
• “Live in the Ultradome” as Metaphor: The TBPN hosts and guests put today’s tech ecosystem on display as a real-time game: experimental, occasionally chaotic, but always learning and adapting fast.

CLOSING THOUGHT

“Another beautiful day to be in business and technology. Couldn’t agree more.” – John (208:09)

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