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Episode: Andy Jassy’s Shareholder Letter, Meek Mill Joins the AI Race | Diet TBPN
Date: April 10, 2026
Hosts: John Coogan & Jordi Hays
Podcast Theme: This episode centers on Amazon CEO Andy Jassy’s expansive 2025 Shareholder Letter, exploring Amazon’s big bets on AI and company-building strategy. The hosts also break down emerging trends in AI safety, Amazon’s role in digital health, Meek Mill’s comments on AI in music, and the cultural impacts of “AI flooding” creative markets.

Main Theme & Purpose

The episode provides a lively, analytical discussion of Andy Jassy’s 2025 Amazon shareholder letter, focusing on Amazon’s approach to innovation, risk-taking, and the accelerating AI race. Hosts Coogan and Hays use Jassy’s reflections to frame current trends in AI, including the responsible deployment of advanced models, Amazon’s dual focus on infrastructure and healthcare, and broader questions about technology’s cultural and regulatory impacts—from cybersecurity and biosafety to the music industry and digital advertising.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Amazon’s AI Strategy & Jassy’s Shareholder Letter

[00:02–14:00]

• AI “Horse Race” and Model Rollouts

  • Ongoing competition between tech giants (Anthropic, OpenAI, et al.) to roll out new AI models, especially for cybersecurity.
  • The trend is to debut powerful AI models first among select partners (“key Internet infrastructure providers”) to manage risk, before broader public release.
    • “It makes a ton of sense that if you have a model that's fantastic at coding, it can basically try every single coding exploit, try new coding exploits... and generally harden the Internet infrastructure that we all rely on.” (Coogan, 01:10)

• The Containment Pattern for Powerful Models

  • Speculation that biosafety may follow a similar pattern (i.e., use powerful models first among experts and regulators before general access).
  • “The most advanced technology, it makes sense to put it in the hands of people that can actually have a real impact... before rolling it out broadly.” (Coogan, 04:26)

• Jassy’s Personal and Professional “Squiggly Lines”

  • Jassy draws parallels between his nonlinear career path and Amazon’s iterative approach to product development.

    • “Not exactly a straight line... AWS followed lots of squiggly lines too.” (Jassy via Coogan, 07:16)

  • Mechanical Turk was referenced as an early experiment, preceding today’s data-labeling and expert network industries.

  • AWS’s evolution: Initial products (storage, compute) became core, while others (early database efforts) floundered, later finding success after “going back to the drawing board.”

• Big Commitments & Enterprise Adoption for AWS

  • Early skepticism about AWS’s significance overcome by major customers like Netflix (in 2008) and eventually U.S. government agencies.
  • Jassy highlights the capital expenditure tradeoffs and willingness to invest for long-term growth.

• The “2 is Greater Than 0” Principle

  • Jassy’s anecdote—“It's fairly obvious that 2 is greater than 0. But too often companies focus on what looks most tidy instead of ensuring they have enough efforts in play to achieve an important outcome.” (09:53)
  • Encourages companies to pursue multiple parallel bets, not just tidy, linear paths.

• AI as a Disproportionate Inflection Point

  • Hosts and Jassy himself cite AI as a technology being adopted faster than anything—far outpacing electricity’s historical rollout.
    • “We've never seen a technology more quickly adopted than AI. When ChatGPT launched in November of 2022, it reached 100 million users in two months...” (Jassy via Coogan, 12:02)
    • Comparison: AI’s trajectory is “10 times faster” than electricity’s.

• Amazon’s Unique Position in the AI Land Rush

  • AWS’s AI revenue already over $15B by Q1 2026—“260 times bigger” than AWS’s run rate three years into its own launch.
  • AWS is capacity-constrained, indicating massive demand:
    • “Two large AWS customers have already asked if they could buy all of the Graviton instance capacity in 2026... we can't agree to these requests given other customers' needs.” (13:40)

2. Amazon Pharmacy & Digital Health Moves

[14:33–16:31]

• Amazon Pharmacy offering same-day delivery for Eli Lilly’s GLP-1 drug “Foundeo”—a major move in clinical therapeutics delivery.
• Hosts discuss skepticism over compounded drugs and view Amazon’s entry as reducing risk for consumers.
  • “Giving consumers an option that's something as established as Amazon with all of the guardrails... feels like a very positive move for consumers.” (Coogan, 15:01)

3. Shareholder Letters: The Long-Term Mindset

[15:22–16:43]

• Hosts revisit excerpts from Amazon’s famed 1997 shareholder letter: “This is day one for the Internet,” highlighting the company’s historical focus on decade-scale vision.
• Jassy’s continuity with Amazon’s tradition of balancing free cash flow and investment for the future.

4. AI Model Rollouts & Cybersecurity Ethics

[16:55–21:13]

• Controversy over OpenAI’s New “Spud” Model

  • Misreporting corrected: OpenAI’s new Spud model will have a general public release, while a separate cyber-focused model will be restricted.
    • “There's a very strong argument to never release a model publicly that is specifically optimized for cyber.” (Hays, 18:14)

• Ethical Dilemmas in AI Capability Releases

  • Open debate about containing offensive cyber capabilities and the precedent from white-hat hacker bug bounties.
    • “Having at least as much economic incentive as possible to put the resources... towards white hat hacking is good.” (Coogan, 19:50)

• KYC (Know Your Customer) and Model Access

  • Growing consensus that future advanced models—especially for cybersecurity—will require more KYC to control misuse:
    • “More KYC is probably the future... at some point you need more KYC to ensure people aren't just training off the model or doing nefarious things.” (Guest, 20:57)

5. Culture & Creators in the AI Flood: The Meek Mill Example

[21:13–24:12]

• Meek Mill, Bill Ackman, and “AI Psychosis” in Music

  • Meek Mill uses AI (Claude) to analyze music industry data, arguing established artists stand out even as AI floods the market with content.

    • “You already have the hardest thing. Attention. You don't need the algorithm to find you. Your fans already look for you.” (AI response to Meek Mill, 21:55)

  • Hosts note that “rappers specifically are really leaning in [to AI] a lot more than other types of celebrities.” (Guest, 23:18)

• AI Used for Community Advocacy

  • Reports of local groups leveraging AI tools (like ChatGPT) to decipher legal code and organize opposition to data center developments—a positive example of democratic engagement using AI.

  • Suggestion that AI can help communities objectively analyze the pros and cons (economic, environmental, civic) of projects like data centers.

6. Meta, Digital Advertising & Legal Risks

[24:12–27:24]

• Meta is removing ads from attorneys recruiting plaintiffs for social media-related class actions, using its terms of service to mitigate legal and regulatory exposures.
  • “It's basically like we're not going to let you use our product to take legal action against us.” (Hays, 26:51)
• Questions about where such legal recruiting will migrate next—“maybe out of home,” possibly into podcasts and other channels.

Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On nonlinear growth & innovation:
  • “Most long-term endeavors do not follow a linear straight line up and to the right. Progress jumps around, it'll zig up, then sometimes stall or zag down...” (Coogan quoting Jassy, 08:36)
• On investing in inflections:
  • “When you identify disproportionate inflections, bet big... the game changers don't typically accommodate smoother investment horizons.” (Coogan quoting Jassy, 10:47)
• On rapid AI adoption:
  • “We've never seen a technology more quickly adopted than AI. When ChatGPT launched... two months, four times faster than TikTok and 15 times faster than Instagram.” (Coogan quoting Jassy, 12:04)
• On restricting cyber AI capabilities:
  • “There's a very strong argument to never release a model publicly that is specifically optimized for cyber.” (Hays, 18:14)
• On artists and AI flooding the market:
  • “Your catalog just sits there collecting streams because people want Meek, not just a rap song.” (AI to Meek Mill, 21:55)
• On Meta’s ad policies:
  • “It's basically like we're not going to let you use our product to take legal action against us.” (Hays, 26:51)

Additional Memorable Moments

• Amazon’s core philosophy:
  Reference to the original 1997 shareholder letter—“this is day one for the Internet”—as testament to the long-game Amazon always plays. (15:22)
• Playful banter:
  • A humorous aside about advertising in classrooms (“I don't think people want to advertise to—Good.” (27:32)), closes the episode on a light note.

Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:02] – Opening: AI news roundup, Mythos, OpenAI’s cybersecurity initiative
• [04:26] – Model containment and biosafety discussion
• [09:53] – “2 is greater than 0”: Jassy’s innovation philosophy
• [12:04] – AI’s accelerated adoption compared to electricity
• [14:33] – Amazon Pharmacy’s GLP-1 move
• [15:22] – Excerpts from Amazon’s 1997 shareholder letter
• [16:55] – OpenAI’s Spud and cyber model rollout debate
• [21:13] – Meek Mill, AI, and music market “flooding”
• [24:12] – Meta removes legal recruitment ads
• [27:32] – Closing jokes about “advertising in classrooms”

In Summary

This episode illustrated Amazon’s relentless long-term thinking and willingness to experiment, as outlined in Jassy’s letter, positioning the company for the ongoing AI revolution while grappling with colossal demand, regulatory change, and cultural unpredictability. The hosts balance deep tech insight with irreverent humor, touching on everything from AI-fueled legal activism to the music industry’s transformation, making it a must-listen for anyone tracking the intersection of technology, business, and society.