TBPN Podcast Episode Summary
Episode: "Year in Review, TikTok Aims for $50B, Dana White on the AI Race | Diet TBPN"
Date: December 20, 2025
Hosts: John Coogan, Jordi Hays
Special Guests: Casey Newton, Ben Thompson, Tyler

Overview

This lively year-end episode of TBPN reflects on the show’s growth, memorable moments, and tech industry highlights of 2025. The hosts discuss record financials at TikTok's parent company ByteDance, evolving AI strategies at Meta, the ongoing U.S. TikTok deal, and OpenAI’s overtures to government. There are heartfelt thank-yous, playful banter, and insights into what drives success in media and technology today.

Main Themes & Discussion Points

1. 2025 TBPN Year in Review

• Show Growth and Highlights:
  • Completed 225 livestreams, nearly reaching 1,000 unique guests.
  • “We interviewed 912 unique guests and we're also doing another five today…almost hit a thousand guests.” — Ben Thompson [01:05]
  • First ever guest: Ryan Petersen, who joined during a chaotic time in global trade.
  • Covered highlights like YC Demo Day, NYSE Figma IPO (“Figma was our first Super Bowl.” — Casey Newton [02:57]), and frequent guest appearances by tech insiders (e.g., Delian Aspar, record 18 appearances).
• Acknowledgements:
  • Thank yous to regular viewers, team members behind the scenes, and collaborative media.
    • “This show wouldn't be possible without [the media].” — Casey Newton [04:05]
    • “Every little thing that you see on this show…is due to someone on our team being inventive…” — Ben Thompson [04:57]
  • Special video shout-out to the team, produced by Jackson. Contracts for contributors like Tyler (“Contract extended. Tyler is not going home.” — Tyler [08:02]).
• Audience Engagement:
  • Multiple ways to connect: livestreams, condensed “diet” versions, newsletters, and collectible trading cards.

2. ByteDance/TikTok's $50 Billion Milestone

• Scale of Success:
  • ByteDance reported ~$50B profit for 2025, nearing Meta’s annual earnings.
  • "ByteDance is now basically the same size as Meta, which is insane." — Ben Thompson [09:35]
• U.S. TikTok Restructuring:
  • Under regulatory pressure, ByteDance to spin off TikTok's U.S. arm.
  • Upcoming ownership: Oracle, Silver Lake, MGX (45% collectively); ByteDance retains 20%.
  • Focus of new U.S. entity: Data protection, algorithm security, and content moderation.
    • “Retraining the content recommendation algorithm on US user data to ensure the content feed is free from outside manipulation.” — Casey Newton [11:38]

3. Meta’s New AI Models and Boardroom Stories

• New Models (Mango and Avocado):
  • Meta to release new image/video AI models in 2026; emphasis on integrating into Instagram and other properties.
    • "It's very natural to vend this into Instagram." — Tyler [12:46]
• Dana White Goes All-In:
  • Guest segment with Dana White discussing Meta’s aggressive AI hiring and Zuckerberg’s leadership.
    • “We just hired like 10 kids…average salary is like $65 million…” — John (as Dana White) [13:41]
    • (Hosts joke about likely confusion between annual salary and overall compensation.)
  • AI’s use as an entrepreneurial coach: Good for generating strategies, but “execution is everything.”
    • “AI is really good at that. You can say, I have an E commerce company. I want to grow. What should I do? It'll give you a bunch of ideas. It just shows how worthless a lot of ideas are and how important execution is.” — Casey Newton [14:45]

4. Distribution Power of Big Tech Apps

• Dominance in App Markets:
  • Paid apps are niche; free apps dominated by big tech: ChatGPT, Threads, Google, TikTok, WhatsApp, Instagram, YouTube, Google Maps, Gemini.
    • “If you like ChatGPT, yes, they are the number one app, but they should be scared because Google has…five in the top 11…” — Ben Thompson [17:14]
  • Meta sits in a powerful position due to its platforms’ reach (3-4 billion+ active users).
    • “If we build a great model, we can start distributing it through WhatsApp, through Instagram, through Facebook…” — Casey Newton [16:18]

5. OpenAI: Code Red Culture & Government Partnership

• Frequent ‘Code Reds’:
  • OpenAI has declared “Code Red” multiple times, instructing employees to focus on urgent priorities.
    • “It's not a Code Red if it's Code Red every day at your company.” — Ben Thompson [19:59]
  • Hosts joke about comms/PR framing; suggest calling it “the great lock in” to sound more positive.
• Government Compute Partnerships:
  • OpenAI encourages public-private partnerships, e.g., Stargate, for supercomputing access.
    • “This feels like an advertisement for a sales product. This feels like an SDR being like, I'm ready to rock.” — Ben Thompson [23:21]
  • Discussion about whether governments should self-build supercomputers or contract out.
    • “Do you want the government…to build an end-to-end supercomputer, and how good would the actual result be versus…buying capacity from our data centers?” — Casey Newton [24:06]

6. Media, AI, and Tech in Pop Culture

• Charlamagne's Major Deal:
  • Signed a $200M, five-year extension with iHeartMedia, coinciding with a Netflix deal for the Breakfast Club.
    • “Very cool.” — Casey Newton [26:29]
• Tech Capabilities & Random Bits:
  • Robot solves Rubik's Cube in 0.1 seconds; team competitive banter around speedcubing skills.
    • “Nerd alert.” — Ben Thompson [27:54]
  • Discussion on gaming realism with the game “Unrecord” and its ultra-lifelike bodycam footage.
• Watch Collecting and Global Affairs:
  • Brief joke about famous figures wearing Casios; talk turns to privateering and U.S. Venezuela policy.

7. Closing, Community, and 2026 Hopes

• Memorable Sign-Offs:
  • “It’s been a fantastic year, everyone. Thank you so much for all the support.” — Ben Thompson [30:30]
  • “Check yourself before you Shrek yourself.” — Shrek meme, [30:30]
  • “One last gong for 2025. What a year.” — Casey Newton [31:12]
• Sincere Appreciation:
  • Thanks to viewers, teammates, audience for a “totally surreal” year.
  • “It's an honor to build this show with the team and with all of you in the audience.” — Casey Newton [31:02]

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “We weren't live. We didn't have guests, we didn't travel for the show. We had this whole thesis that what was missing was actually just two people hanging out, having a conversation.” — Ben Thompson [01:16]
• “Without the legacy media, the traditional media, the corporate media, the new media, the legacy new media, the neo legacy media, without all of them, we couldn't do what we do." — Ben Thompson [04:25]
• “If you do it right, the locking in that you do today will benefit your great grandchildren.” — Casey Newton [05:48]
• “Code Red. Code Red. Yeah, we heard red.” — Casey Newton [20:11]
• “Check yourself before you Shrek yourself.” — Shrek meme quoted by hosts [30:30]

Key Timestamps

• [01:05] — Year-in-review stats, guest record, team appreciation
• [09:34] — ByteDance's $50B profit milestone, TikTok’s US restructuring
• [12:00] — Meta’s new AI models, “Mango” and “Avocado”, future business implications
• [13:12] — Dana White on Meta's AI push and boardroom anecdotes
• [17:06] — App store review; distribution dominance analysis
• [19:56] — OpenAI’s Code Red, company culture and PR, government partnerships
• [26:00] — Charlamagne’s media deal, pop culture
• [27:27] — Speedcubing robot; team banter
• [30:30] — Shrek sign-off, thank-yous, closing reflections

Tone

The episode balances irreverent humor and holiday spirit with incisive analysis of tech industry trends. The close-knit community between the hosts, crew, and audience is palpable throughout, combining friendly jabs, high-energy riffing, and moments of genuine gratitude.

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