#4678 You Give Me Femur

Summary

Podcast Summary: TBTL #4678 "You Give Me Femur"

Date: March 6, 2026
Hosts: Luke Burbank, Andrew Walsh
Guest: Genevieve
Theme: A quintessentially meandering Friday episode, this installment finds Luke and Andrew diving deep into the relatable travails of modern life—ranging from travel discomforts and social media cringe to legal scrapes, all with their trademark blend of silliness, candor, and nostalgia.

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Episode Overview

This episode centers around three main themes:

• Luke’s obsession with Detlef Schrempf’s Instagram, documenting the legroom struggles of tall travelers.
• The ongoing legal saga of Genevieve’s bus lane ticket, complete with heartfelt storytelling and legal wrangling philosophy.
• Humorous side tracks: NBA nicknames, Elvis remixes, astrological personal rebrands, and the performative anxieties of social media “reply guys.”

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Key Topics and Segments

1. Show Kickoff & Friday Energy

[00:32–01:19]

• The episode opens with Friday energy: musical jokes, pop-culture riffing, and the customary announcement that it’s the end of the week.
• The hosts joke about “comedy versus tragedy,” with Genevieve listing things that make her laugh: “Erectile dysfunction, non-fatal hunting accidents, waving at someone you think you know, but it turns out to be a stranger.” (Genevieve, [00:55])

2. Fog Drops & Podcast Soundboard Corrections

[03:04–05:41]

• Andrew issues a correction: the podcast has three recurring “fog” sound bites (Ella Fitzgerald, two Colbert bits), not two as previously mentioned.
• A playful analysis of the odds listeners would have had in guessing which drop would play.
• Andrew takes responsibility for misleading the audience, tongue-in-cheek referencing a listener’s lost “speculation market” money.

Notable Quote

“This listener, if I understand it correctly, lost a lot of money on the speculation market because of my mistake. So I wanted to apologize…”
—Andrew, [05:46]

3. Kalshi, Burners & Internet Grievances

[05:56–07:20]

• Luke vents about a sharply worded listener email (“Drop Kalshi. I’ll drop you!”) and the performative nature of listener feedback.
• Speculation about producer John Sklaroff creating burner accounts; segues into NBA star Kevin Durant’s infamous burner accounts.

4. NBA Nicknames & Detlef Schrempf Nostalgia

[08:14–12:22]

• Luke and Andrew wax nostalgic about the glory era of NBA player nicknames ("Earl the Pearl," "The Iceman," "Vinnie the Microwave Johnson," "Hair Shrimp" for Detlef Schrempf).
• Luke recounts his adolescent Husky basketball fandom, complete with sonic color commentary callbacks.

5. Detlef’s Instagram & the Plight of Tall Flyers

[13:00–24:52]

• Luke becomes enamored with Detlef Schrempf’s Instagram, which features recurring photos of his legroom situation on commercial flights.
• Detlef’s humility and relatability impress Luke—noting that former NBA players, even ones of Detlef’s stature, still get stuck in coach.
• Andrew relates with his own “weirdly long femurs,” marvels at footrest technology crossover from first-class to Greyhound buses.

Notable Quotes & Interactions

“He seems to be spending more of his time in coach than first class...remarkably relatable to me.”
—Luke, [14:37]

“I just imagined Detlef just mind-over-mattering: Like, I’m 6'7" and I’m on a long flight, but this is it, I’m going to go to my happy place.”
—Luke, [16:14]

“Don’t you have weirdly long femurs?”
—Luke to Andrew, [23:36]

“Would you feel about naming the show ‘You Give Me Femur’?”
—Andrew, [24:52]

6. Show Naming & Music Tangents

[24:59–29:49]

• Naming brainstorm (“You Give Me Femur”) leads to a bit about song “Fever” and its many covers, eventually discovering a Baz Luhrmann/Elvis remix on satellite radio.
• More jokes about drops, the specificity of musical taste, and the randomness of algorithmic discovery.

7. Dazzling Donor Spotlights

[30:10–38:54]

• Jolene Tashner (Portland-based photo retoucher/photographer) uses her donor message as an infomercial for her services: “Basically, I use Photoshop to make pictures look their best…happy to barter or trade!”
  • The hosts riff on bartering offers (“…three raw salmon and one cooked salmon,” [33:22])
  • An earnest discussion on the limitations of AI vs. skilled human retouching: “That shit looks like shit.” (Luke, [35:33])
• Julie Lim (Phoenix): Thanks TBTL for being a mood booster, especially during tougher times.

8. Top Story: The Bus Lane Ticket Saga

[39:03–61:23]

• Recounting the epic quest to retrieve Genevieve's phone from a Seattle bus, resulting in an accidental trip into bus-only lanes and an automated ticket.
• Genevieve describes the real-time mapping and routing she did to intercept the bus (“I was having to move between [browser] windows…refreshing to track the phone in real-time.” —Genevieve, [41:13])
• The true incriminating moment comes after the phone is retrieved and, in celebration, Genevieve takes a photo of the bus driver—probably triggering the enforcement camera in the process.
• Legal wrangling: discussion of the technical type of ticket (not a moving violation, more like a parking ticket), mitigation procedures, and the role of storytelling in front of the court.

Notable Quotes

“I think the spirit of the law does support me just getting my phone back due to my own incompetence…”
—Genevieve, [44:41]

“I think that they should, as like, compensation for my taking time to go tell my story, at least cut the ticket in half—if not waive it altogether.”
—Genevieve, [57:10]

“What is it going to take to get you into a $45 fine today?”
—Luke, [58:32]

• Fun legal hypotheticals: how one might dodge responsibility ("If you get a moving violation, just claim you weren't the driver," etc.), complete with Columbo references (Dabney Coleman mask episode), and jokes about legal theatrics.

9. Astrological Identity Crisis

[61:36–71:27]

• Genevieve details her planned astrological “coming out”—denying being a Pisces, officially declaring as a Scorpio instead.
• Reading and refuting personality traits of Pisces, asserting that Scorpio is a better fit for her (“Passionate. Likes truth, facts, being right. Absolutely me…” —Genevieve, [67:05])
• Luke and Andrew good-naturedly try to talk her back into Pisces’ arms, citing her artistic sewing, with more musings on the flexibility (or lack thereof) of zodiac logic.

Notable Quotes

“There’s always some kind of off-ramp…something rising, something’s in retrograde, and it makes an already meaningless set of beliefs even more ridiculous.”
—Genevieve, [70:50]

10. Wrap-Up

[72:44–74:05]

• Brief goodbyes, with Genevieve promising to update listeners on the ticket outcome.
• Closing jokes about academia “losing the landline” and Andrew heading out to Hawaii.
• A teaser for Monday’s show (Luke attending “Bingo Loco” in Indianapolis).

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | [00:55] | Genevieve | “Comedy, obviously. And sometimes tragedy. Light tragedy. Erectile dysfunction, non-fatal hunting accidents…” | | [05:46] | Andrew | “This listener, if I understand it correctly, lost a lot of money on the speculation market because of my mistake. So I wanted to apologize for that and set the record straight.” | | [16:14] | Luke | “I just imagined Detlef just mind-over-mattering: Like, I’m 6'7" and I’m on a long flight, but this is it, I’m going to go to my happy place.” | | [23:36] | Luke | “Don’t you have weirdly long femurs?” | | [33:33] | Luke | “That shit looks like shit. And I’ll say that that’s Jolene-approved for me to say shit during the message.” | | [44:41] | Genevieve | “Does the spirit of the law support me just getting my phone back due to my own incompetence of losing it?” | | [57:10] | Genevieve | “I think that they should, as like, compensation for my taking time to go and tell my story, at least cut the ticket in half—if not waive it all together.” | | [67:05] | Genevieve | “Resourceful. Yes. Powerful. Yes. Brave. Yes. Passionate. A true friend. Likes truth, facts, being right. Absolutely me…” | | [70:50] | Genevieve | “There’s always some kind of…off-ramp. Because it’s always like, oh, well yes, you’re a Pisces, but you were born at 12:41am in Chicago, and so everything about Pisces is actually the opposite for you…” |

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Structural Highlights

• 00:32–01:19: Friday celebration, comedy riffing
• 03:04–05:41: Show corrections, "fog" drops meta-conversation
• 13:00–24:52: Detlef Instagram analysis and airline seat grievance
• 30:10–38:54: Dazzling Donor section (photo editing, community support)
• 39:03–61:23: The bus lane ticket saga (Genevieve as guest), legal analysis, Columbo references
• 61:36–71:27: Genevieve’s zodiac protestation/declaration
• 72:44–end: Goodbyes, hints at next episode

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Tone and Style

The hosts maintain their signature blend of playful, slightly self-effacing humor, mutual enabling for detours and nostalgia, and genuine engagement with both their audience and each other. The addition of Genevieve’s calmly confident storytelling lends a further layer of dry wit—especially in the legal recitation and the ongoing astrology debate.

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Useful for New Listeners

This episode is a perfect encapsulation of TBTL’s brand: goofy, detail-obsessed, tangential, and heartfelt. Whether you’re here for niche NBA stories, minor-urban-ordeal legal strategy, or just artful banter about astrological identity, you’ll feel right at home—even if you’ve never listened before.

Transcript

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, it's Krusty the pizza man. Alright, where's my 400 bucks? Hey, wait. How can you be here when your show's on live?

[Genevieve]

Eh, I just threw on an old rerun.

[Andrew Walsh]

No one will know the difference.

[Luke Burbank]

Children, remain calm. The Falkland Islands have just been invaded. I repeat, the Falklands have just been invaded.

[Andrew Walsh]

T, T B T L

[Luke Burbank]

guess what day it is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Guess what day it is. It's Friday.

[Luke Burbank]

Friday.

[Genevieve]

Gonna get down on Friday.

[Andrew Walsh]

Everybody's looking forward to the weekend.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, my friends are just beside themselves.

[Genevieve]

And I'm gonna get to work with the cobra.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, God, no.

[Luke Burbank]

Please, just.

[Andrew Walsh]

Just Cobro.

[Luke Burbank]

Sure, why not?

[Genevieve]

Jokes do some.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, what makes you laugh?

[Genevieve]

Comedy, obviously. And sometimes tragedy. Light tragedy. Erectile dysfunction, non fatal hunting accidents, waving at someone you think you know, but it turns out to be a stranger. That sort of thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Go

[Luke Burbank]

well. All right. Hello, good morning and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, guys, can we get to disc jockeying?

[Luke Burbank]

My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm trying to connect with people and

[Genevieve]

I really put myself out there on the airwaves.

[Luke Burbank]

Coming to you for the final. Well, the final day this week because it's a Friday edition, but also the final show from a beautiful, although a bit foggy, a bit rainy, a bit cold, but still the wonderful place that is Chicago, Illinois. It is our turn as we've made it to episode 4678 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. Oftentimes, the stakes on this show are pretty low. It's me in a museum in Chicago thinking kids are going to be too noisy or, you know, the sort of trifling matters of life. But not today, because today we're dealing with somebody who is in great legal jeopardy. It's our friend and Andrew's partner, Genevieve, who will be involved in some sort of legal proceedings around this ticket on a vehicle that she wasn't even driving. We need to get the Innocence Project in on this one. Well, anyway, we'll start by talking with Genevieve about what her plan is for that. Also, I've got a new favorite Instagram feed that I've been following. Welcome to the Internet, which had me reply guying yesterday. I don't know why, but I don't. I love it if people reply to my Instagram posts. I don't like replying to other people's posts. It makes me feel like, pick me or something. But I did. We'll talk about it with this guy, longest running cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. By the Friday episode, he usually has a lot of thoughts and a lot of feelings that have been building up throughout the week because I sit with it. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning, Luke. Before we get into all of that, really. And I think I can actually make this quick. I don't think I have to, like, derail the whole show today, but I do need to make a correction, and I'm looking for the listener who pointed out the fact that I needed to make this correction. I can't find their name right now, but that's okay. They know they're out there. The other day on the show around this time in the show, I was sort of spoofing with you a little bit because you mentioned that it was foggy outside your window. And I said, yeah, the. The listeners of the show could play a game. They could even place bets maybe on one of the popular betting apps.

[Luke Burbank]

Boy, people did not like me mentioning Kalsheet.

[Andrew Walsh]

I assumed that would be the case. Although I did not catch any of that blowback that must have been. People are learning that they don't need to copy me on things that they're mad at you about. That's a huge development.

[Luke Burbank]

I know. But the insane thing is I had a bet on that, so I just made a lot of dough. A lot of dough.

[Andrew Walsh]

So the bet that I set up was when you say it's foggy outside, you have a split second as a listener and me as a co host and cobra to guess whether or not you're gonna play Ella Fitzgerald singing Foggy Day.

[Luke Burbank]

A foggy day in London town.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't think you needed to play that. I think I did it even better than Ella Fitzgerald, but okay, that's fine. Or the one that you did play on, I don't know, Wednesday or whatever it was, or Tuesday, which was Stephen Colbert saying we've got the fog from a fake podcast commercial he did. And I said, people can guess on whether going to be one or the other. But no, I was totally forgetting. There are two Stephen Colbert fog related drops. The other one is. And I, I've always thought, oh, there's one. But no, there's two. There's we've got the fog and there's cloud fog.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, they're from the same.

[Andrew Walsh]

They're from the same.

[Luke Burbank]

They're from the same moment. In fact, I've got it right here. Can I play it for you?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, please. You had the whole thing.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't have the, actually I don't have the edited version on this computer. So this is actually kind of. The Late show podcast is brought to you by Cloud, fog. Moving your business to the cloud. We've got the fog. Got some fog in your hands. Let's put that in the cloud. Cloud, fog. Part cloud, part fog. All security.

[Andrew Walsh]

Perfect. Yeah. So I know they're from the same bit, but you actually have three different pieces. I don't think I do. Cloud, fog.

[Luke Burbank]

You Sometimes I think I only play him saying cloud, fog, cloud, fog. And.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, do you sometimes do that? But the other day you just played We've got the Fog and a listener was like, you didn't even mention cloud, fog. And I was like, you're right, they're from the same bit, but they are three different drops if you count Ella in there.

[Luke Burbank]

So they only had a 33% chance.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Predicting as versus a 50, 50 chance.

[Andrew Walsh]

This listener, if I understand it correctly, lost a lot of money on the speculation market because of my mistake. So I wanted to apologize for that and set the record straight.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, boy. Yeah. People are emailing me. Somebody sent me, honestly, like a very. It kind of, it kind of ticked me off. I didn't respond to them. So I'll respond here and I'm paraphrasing, but it wasn't like, oh, hey, just so you know, like I've been looking into Kalshi and it's, it's kind of unsavory. Which by the way, I believe I've been saying the whole time. But it was literally the subject line was like, drop Kalshi. And then the body of it was just like, they're the worst people you've ever heard of in your life or something. But it felt very like, drop Kalsha, I'll drop you. What are you doing emailing me, telling me how to live my life? Like it didn't have any sort of, hey, this is how I feel about it. It was like telling me this is what you're going to do. And it literally almost made me go dump another 500. Oh, and by the way, this person sent this email from a non identifiable,

[Andrew Walsh]

like they created a burner.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think so. I just think it happened to be how their email there was, it's like a, it was a nonsense word at wherever and it wasn't signed by their name. So if you're, if you are that person, just know that there are ways to give me feedback that might have a good outcome. That's not how to do it, Pardoner. That ain't how you do it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Speaking of betting, would you bet that John Sklaroff has created burner accounts either on social media or email so that he can take us to task for things or respond to things without us knowing that it's our colleague?

[Luke Burbank]

Boy, I'm sure he's created a few nicks related like a few like he's gone full Kevin Durant and created a few burners. By the way, Kevin Durant apparently is back on his burner bullshit.

[Andrew Walsh]

What? Really?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, like did you hear the story years ago when it first emerged? I guess there's now speculate he's admitted to having a newer burner that he's still using. I kind of like the thing is

[Andrew Walsh]

I like that he's admitting it.

[Luke Burbank]

And no it actually takes it right out of the realm of cringe and into just being like that's how you are. And we love it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

But I can't remember the exact name but the burner account that has been now linked to Kevin Durant as the most logical or likely scenario for reasons that I don't understand but has to do with what he has admitted to and what the posts are. It apparently has a really funny name and people are being like if this is. We think this is Kevin Durant's latest burner account and it has such a good name that we are now very pro Kevin Durant.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Being a burner account guy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Luke, I have a question for you. And this isn't nobody needs this for clarification on the story except for me because I always, you know me, I'm not an NBA person and so I sincerely nor am I.

[Luke Burbank]

Which is why I'm right at the edge of my skis with even this

[Andrew Walsh]

comment more so than than me though when I was listening to a lot of LeBatard child here, a lot of you know, current name just names flying by and so I'd start to pick up some context for it. At least I would know the names. But there is something about Kevin Durant and I know that he goes by kd. I couldn't tell you who he plays for and here's my question for you. I don't even know if he still plays because I get him confused or he is either he is the guy from or I get him confused with the guy from he's not one Cut

[Luke Burbank]

Gems Uncut gems Kevin Garnett.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. They're both named Kevin Though maybe that.

[Luke Burbank]

And they're both tall and they both have basketball players, bisyllabic last names. But when I say tall, what I mean is they're both. They both play the same position.

[Andrew Walsh]

I see.

[Luke Burbank]

Although what you, what would you say the revelation about KD was is that he actually also can dribble the ball and shoot threes, which was not Kevin Garnett's game. If you looked at them, they're both real tall dudes and their first name is Kevin. So do they call Kevin.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do they call him kg?

[Luke Burbank]

I am trying to remember if they called Kevin Garnett kg. Somebody was talking the other day, sorry, this is yet another tangent, but that we've really. The current NBA just doesn't seem to have the proliferation of kind of great nicknames anymore. Like were we not nicknaming athletes or whatever? And they were just going through a list and I was like, I was agreeing heartily that like in my day, back in my day there was a lot of good nicknames out there. There was like Earl the Pearl Monroe. There was a George the Iceman Gervin. There was my favorite Vinnie the Microwave Johnson because he used to heat up fast when you put him in the game. There was even Detlef Shrimp who was known as Hair Shrimp when he would do things for the Seattle Sonics. How's that for a transition? Love it.

[Andrew Walsh]

I love it. I know you want to talk about Detlef.

[Luke Burbank]

Speaking of non burner accounts. So Detlef Shrimp, people that are in Seattle or I guess Texas, because I think he was a maverick as well probably know who this guy is. He was a German born basketball player in the NBA. The reason I was tracking him from an early age was because he was a University of Washington Husky. So when I was, I don't know, probably I want to say 14, 15 years old again. I was talking the other day how I used to listen to all spring training games. I also used to listen to every Washington Husky men's basketball game back when Bob Rondo was calling them and we had Christian Velp. And you know, just like whole. These guys loomed very large in my mind because when there wasn't a Sonics game, I was going to definitely be listening to the Husky men's game. And Detlef Shrimp was a Husky. And I never heard of anyone with a name like Detlef Shrimp playing basketball. Certainly playing for my beloved the college team. I hadn't gone to the UW yet, but, you know, it loomed large.

[Andrew Walsh]

Have you heard anybody named Detlef Shrimp doing anything else either. I would assume that you haven't heard a lot of people that name.

[Luke Burbank]

Generally speaking, I'd literally never heard the word Detlef or the word shrimp, so it was all very new to me. But he was great. He was a really good husky, and I think what it was is I think he went to the Mavs right out of college, so then I lost track of him a little bit, and then he comes back and he ends up playing for the Sonics. So this is, to me, sort of local boy makes good. You know, Germany by way of Montlake by way of being back with, like, an epic Sonics team. This was like kind of the Sonics dream team when we had Gary Payton and Sean Kemp, and it was just such a fun team. And we had Kevin Calabro calling these games with just. I mean, he was just the best. The best. I don't know, phrasing. Get on up. For the downstroke, he would call Sam Perkins Big Paper Daddy, which I think I had the origins of that totally wrong. Somebody might have enlightened me on that. But all this is to say Detlef Shrimp has just kind of been a name that's been in my brain for many, many years now. Now, you. When I mentioned this to you the other day, you said that's also the inspiration for what you think of as one of your better Internet memes that you've created.

[Andrew Walsh]

Which I just remembered now, because every time you say Detlef Shrimp, I think of this thing, and I. I couldn't remember where I posted it. I thought I posted on my old Instagram, but that didn't seem right. And I'm just remembering now, and I'm. I'm just about to hack into it. I made this during an episode of TBTL years ago of Detlef Shrimp. Or maybe I made it as a show pic of him, like, on the court, but I replaced his head with a big shrimp, like, shrimp cocktail, which is the obvious joke. But I was so proud of my photoshopping on this thing. And I'm going to. If I can find this, I'm going

[Luke Burbank]

to make sure you say it was a. Was it a Perkins level?

[Andrew Walsh]

It was Internet comedy event. It was so much better. Well, I mean, it's Perkins level. In the lack of reaction from people who are not ready to be on my level, apparently.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, but get on his level. You can't get on his level. People have asked not to get on his level.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think I'm close to finding that I will make it the show pick. If I can find it, I'll send it to you as well.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, so I don't know if it's just through me occasionally considering the existence of Detlef Shrimp, or maybe because recently he was honored at Montlake. You know what the Husky basketball arena is. They were honoring him as a Husky legend. I don't know if they were retiring his number just having, like, Detlef night, but. Oh, and one other thing that I will throw in just as a side note. So my ex, Carrie, worked for a while at a company that was like an investment company, which was where Detlef also worked. And she said he was the most awesome dude.

[Andrew Walsh]

I have heard that, too. I think Genevieve maybe had some interactions with him at some sort of function related to her job. And same deal that says he's a prince, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. Great guy. And just like, you know, just down to earth. As down to earth as you can be at 6, 7 or whatever his height is, which, by the way, comes into this next thing. So for some reason, I wasn't following him. But, like, Detlef Shrimp's Instagram feed has started to kind of like, just sort of be suggested for me in a way or whatever. It's coming up in my timeline, even though I'm not following him, whatever you call that phenomenon. And what I've noticed is it seems like the main content he posts is how much legroom he's dealing with on any particular flight.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

As a very tall individual. And it's. What's really funny is, well, first of all, I mean, he's Detlef. He is like, to me, he is like, he's not even a local hero. He's a national hero of sorts. And the idea that he appears to be spending more of his time in coach than first class on these flights is remarkably relatable to me. And what he really seems to be kind of tracking in a way that only Broadcast Barry and I, if I can get Detlef to start, like, to be on a text chain with me and Broadcast Barry, we would be like a great triumvirate. Because this is what Barry and I are always talking about, is like, if we're going to get upgraded, what flight we're on, what the chances are when we don't get upgraded. When we do that seems to be mostly what he's doing on his page is just taking a picture of how close his knees have to be to the seat in front of him when he's in coach. And by the way, none of this is done as a complaint. Like I think he was flying somewhere after his being honored at the University of Washington and it was a picture of him obviously in coach. And he said something like, well with this last minute booking and full first class, I ended up in coach. It's no problem. I'll just have to go to my happy place. And I just imagined Detlef just mind like mind over mattering. Like I'm six seven, six seven and I'm going to, I'm on a like a long flight and, and that's just, this is the reality of my life. I'm in coach, I have very long legs but this is it. I'm going to go to my happy place. And what I, I, I was so touched by this or so tickled by this whole thing that I then replied to him which is again I don't know why it is that I feel like if I reply to somebody who I admire, it's being, it's being pick me or try hard. Like what I'm about to say next is going to sound like a real slam. Andrew. But like if you posted something on Instagram that I was interested in, I would absolutely respond to it and I wouldn't feel like I was being cringe because I'd be like that's my friend Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh yeah, we have a relationship. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

No, that's, I mean that's must be part of it. It's just like so I, what I am not is a person who you will generally see in the comment section of somebody who is higher than me on the social status because it feels like I'm trying to like I don't know, maybe I'm trying to. It's mostly just a hang up that I have with myself. But it totally like I was so tickled by this post from Detlef and I felt like it was so kind of in my world of sky jinxing and obsessing about where I am on the plane. And I think I wrote something like this is a really good kind of reframing for those of us who are a mere 6 of feet and who are obsessed over if they get upgraded or not. Go dogs. That's what I said.

[Andrew Walsh]

Go dogs. You can also sometimes, sometimes one way of maybe uncringing that is actually instead of replying you can repost it and that way you're kind of like you could have reposted his thing with your message at the top and then you're still occur to me because I know what you mean and I've done this. I have, like. I kind of have my baseball buds on blue sky or whatever. But I mean, I think especially. And I think you and I are both very aware of this as our. As most people should be, that, like, especially if it's a woman and you're like, absolutely. Woman get. Women get a lot of attention. And you're just kind of like, you know, and you're trying to, like, jump on a joke or improve a joke or. I mean, I'm sure many times the intentions are good. I just want to riff here, but there's something especially cringe about it when it's like a guy kind of trying to, you know, hop into a woman's, you know, replies.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I definitely. I mean, I'm trying to think if I have ever. It must have happened at some point. But it's almost possible that I've literally never responded to a post from a woman except maybe some friend of ours or something, but definitely not a woman that I don't know on the Internet. There's nothing I can offer in that conversation that will be worth it for me to risk coming off as a creeper. But. So I'm going back to this exact post from Herr Schrimpf. He said, no luck today with a full plane and a late booking. Just gotta go to my happy place. Smiley emoji at Alaska Air. But what I'm noticing is in the. Well, so there's nine comments. The top one is still me with no response to it. None from debt, none from any of the other people. There is a response from Alaska Air, the official Alaska Air account, and it says, etlas, shrimp, we appreciate your loyalty. And then a emoji of some of the kissing. You know, the emojis doing a kiss, and it's a heart, which, you know, first of all, a little bit fresh. Second of all, I don't think I get that kind of response from Alaska Airlines when I'm posting. He's got another one. Okay, let's see here. Oh, I think he's in first class for this one. He says, glad I changed to a later flight. Oh, and moved off from a middle seat. So he was clearly. Yeah, middle seat for her shrimp. That's just. Come on, give me a break. I once did fly across the country with a Seattle supersonic. It was our center. His name was Calvin Booth. Not just someone who probably got assassinated in the 1800s, but a current existence. Doesn't that name, Calvin Booth just sound like our. Our fourth and a half president?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, definitely.

[Luke Burbank]

We don't talk about.

[Andrew Walsh]

You said a duel, right? Did you say a duel? Because it definitely has dual connotations.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Or something. But, like, we don't. You know, it's like the forgotten president, Calvin Booth.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

No, this dude was a center, I think, for the. For the Sonics, unfortunately. He had a decent career. It didn't quite. I think we had traded for him and we had high hopes. But I one time saw him just. I think we were flying from, like, D.C. to Seattle, and he was. And he was taller than Detliff. He was straight up in coach, and I was like, my guy, but again, you know, mad respect for somebody who probably has the resources, but it's just, you know, deciding their financial life the way they want to. Anyway, we got another post here from Detlif. I mean, this really is his main content. I'm just. I didn't plan this. I didn't plan to scroll this. He says. Still recovering from the Seahawks game, but I'm ready to go at Alaska Air, and I don't. Oh, no. This one's first class because it has a little footrest. Okay. This is mostly what I'm now clocking, is how often is Detlef Shrimp in first class versus how often am I in first class.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know what looks interesting about that foot rest?

[Luke Burbank]

Better success rate.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I would guess. You know. You know, the interesting thing about that footrest is, Luke, because it's very, very rare that I fly first class, but on the occasion I have, I notice that they have those little footrests, actually is sort of on the. Kind of hangs off the chair or unfolds from the chair in front of you or the seat in front of you.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it clicks down kind of, and then you can click it up and.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, maybe the technology has changed somewhat, but the ones that I had used were exactly like the ones that are also on Greyhound buses. And I just think that it's interesting. You don't get it in coach. Like, the. This particular style of footrest is either at the highest level of travel or the lowest level of travel, but nothing in between.

[Luke Burbank]

No, you're absolutely right. I think when you're in first class, there's just enough leg room that it's a comfortable experience. But if you were in coach.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it'd be in the way.

[Luke Burbank]

It would almost be crimping or cramping the amount of legroom, so there's no reason for it. Plus, again, yeah, it's just one more thing for them to do maintenance on what is kind of Funny. You want to talk about hyper niche observation. I don't even think Detlef or Broadcast Barrier will go with me on this. But not every first class cabin of Alaska Airlines has the footrest. In fact, it's kind of rare in, in these days with, I guess, the way the planes are remodeled. By the way, I'm agnostic on the foot rest. Like, I really, I can't decide if it's better to have it or not have it. It's certainly not, to me, like, an obvious improvement. Like, just being in first class is a huge improvement. And you can stretch your legs out, you're fine. I don't know if you need that clicky thing, but sometimes we'll be taking off and maybe I happen to be in first class and they're, they don't have those footrests. And the person on the airplane, the, you know, the flight attendant will say, or we're about to take off and they'll say, please, you know, put your tray tables up and put your phones away. If you're in first class, please put your footrests up. And I look down and I was like, this is not a plane with footrests.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, they were just on autopilot.

[Luke Burbank]

They're on autopilot. I mean, ironically, so is the plane once you're at cruising altitude. But it's just like, I almost feel like, you know what, let's, let's just go ahead and get eyes on what kind of plane we're on. And so, you know, to me, there's like a, there's a level of awareness from knowing that this is what plane you're on. And if it has that thing or not when you're making the announcement. Or there's also just a. Like, I'm just. Listen, I'm reading the script. I'm reading what they tell me. It doesn't matter. Like, I like it when they know that there aren't footrests and therefore do not instruct us to put the foot. Foot rests up.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, or like when a server says, have a nice meal and you say, you too.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh my gosh, Andrew. This Instagram feed just keeps getting better. January 1st det left shrimp. He's definitely, he's. He's cramped on a plane. There's a picture of his knees almost hitting the seat.

[Andrew Walsh]

What's he doing just almost hitting the seat. How could it. I mean, I am hitting the seat hardcore and I'm not.

[Luke Burbank]

Don't you have weirdly long femurs?

[Andrew Walsh]

I think it does have something to

[Luke Burbank]

do you might have the femurs of a much bigger Boulder woman? Yeah, maybe. And so maybe you and Detlef, maybe you have similar femurs.

[Andrew Walsh]

I just find it hard to believe that because you said his are almost touching, I was thinking, like, a man that tall must be either having to choose. I'm going to squeeze them to the left or the right of the seat in front of me.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, here's another thing. I can't quite tell from this plane. He might be in first class on this one. There's not an obvious indicator, but that would. That would explain why there's a little bit more room. But here's what he's saying. January 1st, picture of him on the plane with his knees saying, I'm starting my quest for 100k miler on the first morning of the year. And I'm just like, there's something about this guy who I grew up idolizing for his basketball skills being equal. And again, he's actually got a better reason for it than I do, but being equally nerding out on this same topic that I do. Like, just right out there in the open for everyone. Like, you would assume he's a very wealthy individual at this point, and then, you know, might just fly first class and think nothing of it or, I don't know, just like this idea of him just openly caring this much about if he is in first class or isn't or what his Alaska status is or. It's. It's very relatable to me.

[Andrew Walsh]

The important thing is, how would you feel about naming the show, You Give me Femur,

[Luke Burbank]

Femur in the Morning, Femur all through the day?

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, we don't. We have a guest who's probably waiting for us to call. We got to think the dazzling donors. But, oh, let me just say flies

[Luke Burbank]

when you're having fun.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was listening to satellite radio. I love satellite radio. I'm doing an image.

[Luke Burbank]

Is that your impression of that drop from yesterday?

[Andrew Walsh]

The one where.

[Luke Burbank]

What's that from? I always feel like from the finally

[Andrew Walsh]

Bad Teacher, which I've never seen, but Genevieve loves Bad Teacher.

[Luke Burbank]

And it's Cameron Diaz.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And is it Thomas Lennon?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Well, I don't know. I've never seen the movie, but I like that it's Thomas Lennon because I find Tom Lennon to be really awesome and likable and not creepy. But I always feel like the last word that that person says feels creepy to me. Now that I know it's Thomas Lennon, it uncreeps it.

[Andrew Walsh]

So I'm Good. Pretty sure we could double.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm gonna trust.

[Andrew Walsh]

We could double check this.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm looking at your music.

[Andrew Walsh]

Carl have the Internet radio.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, definitely Internet radio. You've come to the right place. Because I have that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Because I have that.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, wait, that's not what I was thinking of.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's why I was another. I love satellite radio.

[Luke Burbank]

There was another drop in the intro package from yesterday's show where someone. Oh, you know what it is? It's the guy talking about treating yourself every day. Do one thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh. Oh, that's Kyle McLaughlin from Twin Peaks.

[Luke Burbank]

Definitely sounds like he's being a little suggestive.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, no, that. We've talked about that before. That's just his, like, you know, his cup of coffee. Enjoy your. Your. Your black cup of coffee or, you know, enjoy your hot cup of coffee kind of.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, so was this. This was your way. I mean, I don't have anything else to say about. What was I going to say? And we are going to name it Femur Radio.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, there. It doesn't really matter. But are you familiar at all? I bet you Susie would. Maybe we get Susie on the show on Monday. You know that song Fever? It's very, very sexy. I mean, I think Eartha Kitt might have done it. I think Madonna did a version. It's off, off, off, covered. I was listening to the radio and I heard a. I am not an Elvis guy. I don't know if you can tell from my vibe that I'm not an. I don't really have a lot of thoughts on Elvis, but he does a version of that song that I thought was some sort of a remix. Are you familiar with the. It is called, like, Fever slash something else. Are you familiar with Elvis's version of Fever?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think I am. And by the way, I'm looking at. It might have been a song before this, but definitely looks like Peggy Lee was maybe in the early days of doing it. Which kind of checks out if you think about the singing of the, you know, the. The early versions of it. Who originally sang the song Fever says it was originally somebody named Little Willie John.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. That's the original version. And was. I mean, I might have been making up.

[Luke Burbank]

No, no. Did Elvis sing the song Fever? Oh, and looks like definitely he did.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. Okay. See, this is where I'm getting confused. He has a song called Fever, but then he's got another one because I Shazammed it to figure out what it was called.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

And it's called Crawford Fever. C R A W dash fever.

[Luke Burbank]

So is it like a crawdad fever?

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know. And I don't know if maybe he did an original version.

[Luke Burbank]

Was it off of Creole King? Maybe.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I think he was gonna know what this is. Creole King. Is this one of those. What? This is R2, J2 remixes. A little list.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know if it's r type of G2, but you know what it is? It is. I did not even remember this. And I think maybe. Oh, yeah, you interviewed the dude from this. I think this might have been a modern remix, because when I type it in, I get Elvis a film by Baz Luhrmann. Which would explain why.

[Luke Burbank]

Lol. I did interview him.

[Andrew Walsh]

It sounds so modern here. Let me see if I can find. I know we're gonna get pulled down.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I was listening to this, and I was like, I cannot believe this is Elvis from the 60s. It sounded like a remix, but then I couldn't. I was like, it doesn't seem to be listed as a remix, but I see that it's from the Baz Luhrmann film. So clearly this has been buzzed up.

[Luke Burbank]

What were you listening to that just delivered you this particular song? Because it sounds like it was, like, you know, algorithmic in some way.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, it was satellite radio, so I was probably flipping. Oh, good. Because I have. I have that. That's one of those things where I say that to myself or me and Veazel say that to each other. And I get it so wrong all the time. But we're always like, I love Internet radio. Okay. God, good. Cause I got that, to be honest with you. And we don't have to get it. The answer is not that interesting. But I believe the Elvis dedicated radio station is in between a couple of other radio stations that I frequent. And I'll be honest, while I'm not much of an Elvis guy. Already established. I will sometimes stop on that if there's a song playing. And this one caught my ear because, again, it sounded so modern. And now we understand why.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, what we have learned is you are a Baz Luhrmann guy.

[Andrew Walsh]

I guess so.

[Luke Burbank]

Or at least the move. The music from the Baz Luhrmann movies.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm Baz to the bone.

[Luke Burbank]

We was hoping for some razzle dazzle. Razzle dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle dazzle. On your mark. On your mark.

[Andrew Walsh]

Get set, get set now. Ready? Ready, go.

[Genevieve]

Everybody.

[Luke Burbank]

Razzle dazzle. All right, let's thank our dazzling donors of the day.

[Andrew Walsh]

Day.

[Luke Burbank]

This is where we. We read a little message from somebody who's been donating a truly dazzling amount of dough. And well, we couldn't do this show without folks like Jolene Tashner. That's Jolene, like the song Tashner. The sea is silent and Jolene is in Portland, Oregon.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now, I don't know if this is going to come up in the message. I really don't cuz I haven't read ahead. But if I am remembering the right Jolene, I think Jolene is an amazing photographer. I think we used to be Instagram friends. I'm looking this up here.

[Luke Burbank]

I think that comes up in the message.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, good, then I will.

[Luke Burbank]

So you're thinking of the same Jolene, Jolene, you're amazing. Jolene, Jolene, Jolene. I'm sorry, I apologize. That is.

[Andrew Walsh]

She's probably never heard it before.

[Luke Burbank]

It's a big part of your life if your name is Jolene. Hey, Jolene says longtime donor, first time dazzler. I'd like to start by giving a shout out to Stephanie at frequentlytaxed questions. Remember, that's our friend who's also a 10 and a donor. I found her through her own dazzling donor message and she's been giving me lots of valuable financial advice, including cluing me in that my donations count as an advertising expense and I can write it off on my taxes if I use this message to promote my business. So here goes. This may be a little niche, but I'm a photo retoucher. Basically I use Photoshop to make pictures look their best. A lot of my work comes from big corporate clients like Apple and Nike. So if you're a creative director or photographer. I specialize in making products look amazing and I'm always looking for new commercial clients. By the way, we've been the last two days we've been really playing in the photography space. Yesterday we had Joe's husband's business.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

With the disposable camera. Today we've got Joe Lean's photography retouching business.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I see what you're doing.

[Luke Burbank]

If you'd like to. She said. I'd also like to branch out though, and see what I can do to help out the tens improve their photos too. Feel free to use your best infomercial announcer voice. Okay, sorry, I'll do that again. Let's see. What part of the sentence would I

[Andrew Walsh]

kick that in for this next one, Their photos got a work headshot, so move on. Go ahead, go for it. No, no, you do it.

[Luke Burbank]

You do in the zone. You were in the zone.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's all I have. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Got a work head shot.

[Andrew Walsh]

You. We're like two Seattle drivers at an intersection who arrived at the stop sign. You go.

[Luke Burbank]

No, you go.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, you go. This is dangerous. Luke. Keep driving.

[Luke Burbank]

Got a work head shot you really don't like but can't reshoot. Or maybe a selfie where you love the way you look and you want the background changed so you can use it on your LinkedIn or Slack profile pick. Do your engagement or wedding photos need a little zhuzhing up? Want some annoying distractions in the background of your photos? Or maybe an X or 2 taken out? Or maybe you have an old family photo that's fading or had something spilled on it or has been cracked or torn. I can help you with any of those things. I'll do my best to work with any budget, and I'm totally open to doing barters and trades too. So that's the. That's the pitch. That's.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, man, I have three raw salmon and one cooked salmon, actually. That's. That's the stuff you trade in Minecraft with a villager. And it was just something I was just learning recently. But I assume that Jolene doesn't take those.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know. Nice. A nice raw salmon, a nice line caught raw salmon. You know, that that might not be something she'd turn her nose up at. Jolene says I worked as a photographer before transitioning to retouching full time, and I still do a bit of that for fun and commercially for people I know and like. So if you'd like me to shoot your portrait, event, or product in the Portland, Oregon area, I'm open to that as well. You can find my work at Jolene Tash. Wait, the end is silent, right? We have it, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, the C is silent.

[Luke Burbank]

The C is silent. The T is silent. No. Let's see. So Tashner is how we're saying this. Jolene Tashner, but let me spell that too. J O L E N E. That's the Jolene part. The Tashner part is T A S C h n e r dot com. Or you can send me an email at jolenetashnermail.com or on Instagram, it's o l dot e dot ne love to all my instaten friendos. And I enjoy seeing all their photos too, even if we've never met in real life. So give me an ad there and I'll follow you back. I know meta is terrible, but I really like seeing and sharing pictures, Andrew. I miss seeing you, too. Oh, look.

[Andrew Walsh]

Look at that. Oh, thanks, Jolene.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. And a heartfelt thank you to the boys for keeping me company all these years. Listening to TBTL really is a bright spot in my day. Cheers, Jolene.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let me tag one more thing on here, too. Now, Jolene didn't say that. And this is not Jolene approved. I don't know for sure if this is affecting her, and I would apologize if what I'm about to say is totally off base, but I will say this. I know people who work in not this specific field, but various creative fields that are related to this. And it is tough out there with the AI, Luke. The. Everybody thinks that they can just have the computers do it and they're getting their, hey, AI, take this thing out and it's not going to.

[Luke Burbank]

No, it looks like shit.

[Andrew Walsh]

It looks.

[Luke Burbank]

And I'll say that that's. By the way, that's Jolene approved for me to say shit during the message.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let me quote Jolene directly when I say that shit looks like shit. And having a real person do this creative endeavor for you makes all the difference in the world. Plus, I know as tens, we want to support our ten friends as well, but please, now more than ever.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. And you know, it really is. There is something. And let's just. Let's cling to these last few hours of this, but there is something that is still uncanny and noticeable to me when something has been AI ified, whether it's allegedly, you know, building out the side parts of the world of the photo or, I mean, and this isn't so much AI, but just filters. Just filters on things and, you know, just all of this stuff that is supposed to be a. An easy automated way to improve something. It. Most of it still doesn't pass the eye test for me, which is where Jolene comes in doing good, hard, honest labor around these photos. So thank you, Jolene. We really do appreciate it. Maestro, on your mark. On your mark.

[Andrew Walsh]

Get set, get set now. Ready? Ready, Go.

[Genevieve]

Everybody rattles.

[Luke Burbank]

We're getting a strong response from the Valley of the sun these days, Andrew, because it's Julie Lim in Phoenix, Arizona.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, Julie.

[Luke Burbank]

Julie says I'm a longtime listener, but I can't quite remember how I fell into listening to the pod. If I had to guess, I would say it was from Luke's appearances on. Wait, Wait. Golly. Thank goodness for. Oh, wait, wait. That is commonly something that I will hear if I ask somebody, you know, I meet them out in the world. How'd you hear about the show? And they would say, I heard them saying something like tbtl on weight, wait for one to nine years. And eventually I just thought, all right, what is that? And now here I am.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly that. Repetition. Eventually. I do believe that repetition and promotions like that makes a difference. Like you could hear TBTL for like 50, 15, you know, consecutive shows. Then probably by the 16th one, you're like, fine, I'll figure out what this is.

[Luke Burbank]

And Julie did. And aren't we glad for that? Julie says anyway, TBTL is my all purpose mood booster. When I'm sad, TBTL cheers me up. When I'm happy, TBTL makes me happier. I've been more sad lately than I usually am, so I'm glad to have the show in my podcatcher. Well, Julie, whatever it is that's got you feeling that way, whether it's the general state of everything or something more specific for you, I really, really hope that that that's not the. The feeling that's driving you to TBTL for too much longer. But glad that, you know, maybe it's making things feel a little bit less bad. Julie says appreciate the tens community as well. No mountain too tall. Signed a Juliet Lim out there in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona. I guess we've mixed. I know we've got to get Genevieve on the line here. Guess we we kind of missed our window. Arizona always has me thinking of spring training. I don't think we can't book a last minute trip down to spring training probably at this point.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I don't think so. It'll be a little bit late. Plus I'm about to get out of here. I'm heading out to Hawaii.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. All right. Well, must be nice. Some of us are taking trips to tropical paradises. Some of us are working away in Chicago and that's fine. What do we all make our show done?

[Andrew Walsh]

We all make our own decisions.

[Luke Burbank]

Thanks, Julie. Thanks so much for the support. Why we couldn't do this without you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hello and welcome to top story.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, our top story today is really sort of a another tick tock in this narrative that has been captivating me and the TBTL listeners over the last few weeks, which started with this. I just keep calling it speed four where Andrew and Genevieve went on a wild journey to try to retrieve Genevieve's cell phone from a bus in Seattle and managed to actually triangulate it and get to the bus and get the thing back. But in order to chase this bus down, you guys ended up driving into you know, some bus lanes that are very much only for buses. And so a while later, this ticket shows up in the mail from one of those, like, auto cameras. And now. And now the question is, how are you guys gonna wriggle out of this? And to help us talk about that is the person who I think is wrongfully accused in this matter, and that's the one and only Genevieve. Hi, Veebs. Welcome to the show.

[Genevieve]

Hi. Thanks for having me.

[Luke Burbank]

All right. I mean, I have. First of all, I don't know if I got to talk to you ever about this whole adventure on the bus. I think maybe. Was that just you, Andrew, telling us about it? Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know if you. Viva's not been on the show since this has all gone down. I don't know if you guys had a conversation at the Eagles during some sort of a.

[Luke Burbank]

We mostly talk about woodworking in a side chat with Rhoden, but.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Luke Burbank]

But. So, I mean, that's just a crazy story. I can't believe that y' all actually got the phone and that that worked out. But if I. If I have this right, Genevieve, Andrew was driving and you were navigating.

[Genevieve]

Yes, we had. It was. So, I mean, and I did actually, I didn't pop in as I sometimes do, but I did eavesdropped on Andrew telling the story the day after it happened.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now, did you actually hear. Did you listen to the podcast, or do you just heard my side of the conversation?

[Genevieve]

I just heard your side of the

[Andrew Walsh]

story through the door. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Did you feel like he was getting the broad strokes right?

[Genevieve]

Oh, I think he got it all right. Yeah. I think the one thing he missed was that we ended up at Pike Place. That's where we finally caught the bus. But, yeah, so it was crazy. I mean, I'm really. I'm so amazed that Andrew just really, like, the last thing he ever wants to do at the end of the day. I don't know if you were already in your tonight pants or not, Andrew, but, like, I know that it's very against your principles to leave the house again after the sun has set, but you were like, yeah, let's get in the car. Let's go get it. So I. And so we turned your hotspot on so that I would have. And I had my laptop on my lap. And then on the laptop, which was still connected to the Internet, I had two windows open, and I was having to move between them. One was the phone, which was like. Just because I have a Google phone and everything in my Life is Google. I was able, I have it set up for find my phone. So it was finding my phone and it was like showing it. I would refresh it and it would go, you know, I would see like, okay, now it's like another two blocks south and it's still definitely on the 40 because I can tell where it is on the, on the route. But then to see where we were and to try to outflank the bus, which was our goal, was to try to cut it off so that we would be at a stop before, before the bus arrived and I could like get on the bus from the stop trying to do that. I had another tab open that had our location on just a Google map. So that's where I was trying to see like, okay, we're on this road. And if I know that the 40, like I had the 40, like high the route, you know, I said show me the 40 route on the map. And it showed me the route. So now I'm trying to cut off the bus. But we just got. If we'd started probably, like, if I realized that my phone was missing probably like five minutes earlier, maybe we could have somehow cut it off before it crossed the bridge. But as it was, we couldn't do that. So we just had to keep chasing it. And that's what took us into, you know, the heart of downtown Seattle where eventually you get into a bus lane. And I don't even know if we knew. We were so focused because we saw the bus when we were still on. On surface streets that we were allowed to drive on, but we couldn't get in front of it and we didn't know exactly where it was going to stop next. So all we could do was just try to keep sight of it. And that's when we just blindly turned into a bus lane.

[Andrew Walsh]

Can I just say I didn't. I wasn't thinking about bus lanes at all until after you'd already retrieved your phone. And the irony here is, Vivs, and I don't know if you realize this, but the moment I realized we were in an area where it wasn't just a bus lane, but it was all bus lanes.

[Luke Burbank]

Oops.

[Andrew Walsh]

All bus lanes. It was like an area where like, no cars are allowed at all. Like, the streets are literally painted red with bus only signs. And when I realized we were in there was after you had your phone and we are pulled up next to the bus driver who just gave you your phone back, and you're leaning out the passenger side of your best friend's ride, taking a photo of that bus driver waving at you like, yay, we're all happy here. While you were taking that photo is probably when the police were taking a photo of us.

[Genevieve]

Probably.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that answered my question, because I was curious, Andrew, if you had a sense you did not know that you were doing something illegal because you were so fixated on the bus at that

[Andrew Walsh]

point, I was too fixated. I didn't realize until afterwards. I'm like, whoa, where am I? I was just like, where am I? I'm not supposed to be here.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, so then you guys get this, like, ticket in the mail from one of those auto cameras because you were, you know, violating the law. Technically, Although I think not the spirit of the law. I serve the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law myself, and I think the spirit of the law.

[Genevieve]

Does the spirit of the law support me just getting my phone back due to my own incompetence of losing it?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that's a really, really ungenerous interpretation of the situation. As a person who regularly leaves things around and makes it other people's problems, I. They should all be rooting for people to be reunited with their stuff. Even if a little law breaking goes well, that's my.

[Genevieve]

That is my hope is that the powers that be are going to be rooting for that.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, so speaking of, what's the current status with your ticket and how you sort of have responded and what might happen next, where are we at with this?

[Genevieve]

Well, I got the ticket and it did have the photos, but it even said, as some listeners have pointed out and some friends of ours have pointed out, it said on the ticket, like, this is not a moving violation. It will not affect your insurance or your licensure. I think is somehow something like what it said. So I knew that's a relief because it's a $75 ticket, which I would prefer not to pay or not to pay all of, obviously, but also $75 as the price of being reunited with my phone is, I think, a price I'm certainly willing to pay if I have to.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's interesting.

[Luke Burbank]

I was actually wondering about that. Depending on where you are with your most recent upgrade and like, you know, if that's the kind of thing where that actually nets out to you to be a savings.

[Genevieve]

It does. I mean, it's an older phone and it's not like it's not an iPhone, but it's still worth more than $75, and it certainly would cost me more than $75 to replace it. So I got the ticket. I was relieved to see that it wasn't something that I'm going to have to like about or. Yeah, moving violation is bad. And I have not had one of those in, I mean, over a decade at least. So that's good. And we sort of. We weren't. We didn't know the thing about, like, if it's a. If it's basically the equivalent of a parking ticket, it doesn't matter who was at the wheel because it's just your. Your car. And I guess I'm just listed first on the title. We share the title. So it's like, I mean, ultimately, it's just as our responsibility as the owners of the car. But I did think, well, it's kind of an interesting story. And I, you know, I'm always sort of. I'm always sort of interested in an opportunity to plead my case if I feel like there might be some. I mean, they literally said, like, do you want to mitigate this? I'm like, yes, that's exactly what I want to do. I want this to be mitigated. I feel like there are mitigating circumstances. I wasn't just stupidly driving into the bus lane because I'm an idiot. Like, we had. There was, like, there were circumstances. So I just thought, like, well, there's literally a box. I can check that. I can put this back in the mail and we can keep having a conversation, me and the Department of Licensing or whatever, Department of traffic. So I just checked the mitigating box. The mitigating box says, I acknowledge that I did this crime, but I would like a chance to explain why I did this crime, because I think you'll find it enlightening. So I haven't heard back. So I haven't heard back from. From the tickets. I haven't heard back about whether I'm like, when my court date is, if I get a court date, but I assume that they have to give me one if I ask for mitigation.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's interesting.

[Genevieve]

I will go in and do it.

[Andrew Walsh]

You sent that in a while ago. Is there a chance that it just gets lost in the shuffle?

[Genevieve]

I mean, I work for a bureaucracy, and I can tell you things get lost all the time, so anything's possible. But, I mean, I think it's just that, as in any bureaucracy, the wheels turn slowly and it's working its way through the system. I really expect to get another letter at some point saying, here's your court date.

[Luke Burbank]

The wheels on the justice go Round and round, round and round. Kind of slowly.

[Genevieve]

I really wish. What I really wish I could do is know who the bus driver was. And I wish I, like, made a note. Cause I have a little picture of him, but you can't really see him. I wish that I could.

[Luke Burbank]

You have submitted that as evidence.

[Genevieve]

Exonerating witness.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my God. Exhibit A, Genevieve, you have to print that out really big. And we'll take it and we'll put it on one of those, like, easels.

[Genevieve]

Yeah. Like one of those big, like. Yeah. Piece of foam core.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. I love this.

[Genevieve]

So you're just a strong feeling. There's no jury involved, unfortunately, but some

[Luke Burbank]

magistrate who, you know, probably doesn't have a heart of stone. I think you coming in and going, yes, we shouldn't have been in this lane. But these were the mitigating circumstances.

[Genevieve]

But put yourself in my shoes. We could see the bus.

[Luke Burbank]

And look who wasn't even mad at us. A bus driver.

[Genevieve]

Yeah, like the bus driver whose lane we were, you know, impinging upon.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. I mean, what you're doing here, Genevieve, is you're kind of going with the. Well, like you said, mitigating circumstances. You're sort of throwing yourself at the mercy of the court. You're saying, yes, I did this, but there was a reason. See, I was kind of hoping as a scoundrel and as a person who's gotten out of multiple kind of traffic cam tickets, I was hoping that there was a way to go. I wasn't driving. And I cannot tell you who was driving, which I've done many times. But you know what? I just now realized the difference is it's the category of ticket. So, like, if you get a, like, running a yellow light ticket or a. I got one. For not coming to a complete stop near Alderwood. Have you ever heard of this as a thing? The camera can check the speed on your car so that if it never goes to zero, turning right on red, it gets you for not fully complete stop. So not that I was speeding, just that I did that move where, you know, California stopped a rolling stop.

[Genevieve]

I am shocked that going into a bus lane is not considered a moving violation. Like, it seems to me to be, like, actually quite. Not that I don't think we endangered anybody, but there's a very good. There are very good reasons for traffic flow and safety to not have civilian cars in the bus lane. I mean, I may as. You know, like, I'm a militant public transit advocate, and I. So I'm like, I'm here and that's the other thing. Like, I would never intentionally plan to, like, screw with the bus lanes, but as we were just in the. In the heat of the moment trying to get that phone back, and when you can see the bus that, you know the phone is on, it was like, it was so tantalizing. So even if I had sort of thought like, well, we can't turn. Even if I'd been conscious that we were turning into a bus lane, I think I would have said, like, just go for it. We'll deal with it later. But in the event, we really weren't even, I think, aware that that's what was happening. But, yeah, like, I get, like, I am shocked that it's not a moving violation because it's. It is your move. For one thing, you are literally moving in a bus. La. For another. Like, there are legitimate public interest reasons to not have people driving in bus lanes.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. The irony is that it would have. If you're. If your interest is strictly in potentially getting out of the ticket, it might have been better for you if it was a moving violation, because then the question is, who was the operator of the vehicle? And then that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Actually, that's what I was thinking.

[Luke Burbank]

You could. Then you could refuse to disclose the information that it was Andrew, which wouldn't be a lie, and then you could maybe just cause their whole legal system to just melt down on itself. But because this is more like a parking ticket, they don't even give you that option.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now there we got some information from a friend of ours, a friend of all three of ours, and a dear friend of the show who will remain nameless right now, but a friend who has a lot of the same tendencies as one Luke Burbank.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, so a cool friend, and let's

[Andrew Walsh]

just say somebody who might be able to get down on a text chain with you and debt left. Shrimp Luke. Let's just say that that would be how I describe this friend. This person had not heard our latest installment on this. When we made it clear that, like, oh, we learned it wasn't a moving violation. This person texted me and Genevieve yesterday said, hey, I'm just catching up on some TBTL. I heard about the ticket you got on 3rd Avenue. If you haven't already sent in the response, you don't have to pay it. I can send you. And this is so. This is classic. This guy. I can send you a form to fill out saying that you weren't in possession of your vehicle, no questions asked, and they will release you without any liability. No Matter what, it won't be a moving violation. Seattle and Washington state are not allowed to give you a moving violation unless you are actually caught by a police officer. This will not go on your record. So a lot of that we didn't know. But of course, this nameless person that nobody would be able to figure out who we're talking about there has a form, like, ready to go, just saying, it wasn't me.

[Luke Burbank]

Was it built in? Canva.

[Andrew Walsh]

It wasn't me. Yeah. Just like, I have no idea.

[Luke Burbank]

Canva, Shaggy.

[Genevieve]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Canva. Check.

[Luke Burbank]

We were doing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And anyways, but Genevieve had to be like, well, we've already. I've already sent in the ticket. Like, we're going to go for mitigation here. But apparently there is a form you can just fill out. Just say, like, I have no idea where my car was. You can't compel me.

[Luke Burbank]

Now, that to me, that's. Even for me, that feels a little bold. Pushing it bold because. Because, like, I'm. I was perfectly comfortable when I got those tickets and you couldn't make out my face. I also do a thing where I, like, do a John Cena move where I literally hold my hand in front of my face if I. If I'm going through an intersection, which I know sounds dangerous, but only because

[Andrew Walsh]

it is, because, you know, you're breaking the law in these cases on the off chance.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, no. Like, if it's a yellow light and it's one of. It's an intersection that has the, you know, mounted cameras, I might. Like, if I'm wearing a baseball cap, I might pull it down a little bit. I might put my hand up or flop my visor down. I'm going to do something that maybe makes it a little less likely that the camera gets a clear pick of me.

[Genevieve]

I don't know if this is relevant to anyone's interest, but I recently watched an episode of Columbo where the killer tried to have his alibi be that he was caught by a speeding camera, but it was his accomplice who was wearing a mask of his face.

[Andrew Walsh]

Genevieve.

[Luke Burbank]

Someone in a Dabney Coleman mask.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly. This was the episode. Genevieve, I have been talking about this Dabney Coleman episode.

[Luke Burbank]

He will not shut up about this.

[Andrew Walsh]

Since we watched it on Sunday night, I respected the audience enough not to give the spoiler away that somebody was wearing a mask of his. But how ironic is it that this

[Luke Burbank]

would love to see a Dabney Coleman mask?

[Andrew Walsh]

This is all. And they just. The thing was, the way they got Caught. Since Genevieve just spoiled the whole thing anyway, is it was a very rudimentary Dabney Coleman mask. This wasn't like, we're jumping out of an airplane and we're going to rob a bank.

[Luke Burbank]

This is a Point Point Break reference.

[Andrew Walsh]

This. Yes, exactly. This was somebody printing out a flat image of Dabney Coleman's character's face and then her strapping it to her face. And so Columbo noticed that the shadows of his nose weren't right because, you know, it was just a photo. A flat photo of his face. But, Genevieve, don't you think that, like, we must have remarked upon this when we were watching that episode the other night, but, like, it feels like destiny that you and I watch that particular episode as you prepare your legal briefs? No.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Genevieve]

Yeah. No. I think so.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

But, yeah, I'm. I was going to say that, like, claiming that I didn't even have the car. Like, I'm fine with saying I wasn't driving, which, by the way, has. Every time I've said that has been a lie. I'm comfortable saying I wasn't driving. And I will not. I will not fill in the part of the form. I've also never tried this in front of a human magistrate or judge. I've only tried it through the. The sort of. The. The US Mail system. Right. Of the form. So I've gone with, like, check, check, check this box, and then write this question.

[Genevieve]

You can lie to a piece of paper. I mean, that doesn't feel like anything easily.

[Luke Burbank]

Were I to go into any kind of legal building, though, and then, like, look at the person and say, like, I didn't. Like, I. I don't know where my car was or something. I would be harder for me, I think I still say.

[Genevieve]

I think I can follow up. Like, well, how did you get your car back, sir?

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't see how that's relevant to this case, your honor.

[Luke Burbank]

And then now, Beaves, let me ask you this, too. This is. This is kind of. I guess it's related to all of this because you talked about how you're interested in pleading your case. I feel like I have a lot of unexpressed, like, lawyer energy. Maybe from watching legal dramas, maybe from

[Genevieve]

thinking I could have been no character animating. This for me. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, I mean, because you would be a phenomenal attorney.

[Genevieve]

I did mock trial in high school, which I was very excited about.

[Andrew Walsh]

Mock trial with Jay Reinhold.

[Genevieve]

Child with Jay Reinhold. And I was definitely, like, I definitely have a lot of lawyer. Genevieve Energy. Pent up lawyer energy. And like, I'm not trying to lie here. Like I. Like I said, like they gave you. They give you the option to ask for mitigating circumstances. I feel that I have, if nothing else, an interesting and entertaining story for the court. And I think that they should, as like, compensation for my taking time to go and tell my story, at least cut the ticket in half. If not, wave it all together.

[Andrew Walsh]

What is that? Did we say how much it is? I can't remember.

[Luke Burbank]

It's $75.

[Andrew Walsh]

75. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I was just telling Becca this the other day because she lives in a neighborhood that has a lot of parking supervision, and so she'll get tickets now and then. And I'm like, you might as well just like, challenge it, you know, not in a untruthful way, because I feel like it used to be, and this was a long time ago, but it used to be that they would usually just take half off just out of, like, principle. Like, you know what you want to do.

[Genevieve]

Yeah. If you want to fight it, like, okay. Like it's sort of a negotiation in a way.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, exactly.

[Genevieve]

So they make an initial offer. We. We offer to ask you for $75. And I say, well, that doesn't seem great to me. What about if it was zero? And they say, well, what is it?

[Luke Burbank]

What is it going to take to get you into a $45 fund?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I got $33 and two raw salmon and Genovese. Don't worry about that.

[Luke Burbank]

Veeves. Here's the thing, though. I feel like getting it to zero would be an incredible thing, and it would only be because the magistrate or the judge or the person that you're appealing to was so taken with your story. And I do think an enlarged, not a poster board thing, but at least an enlarged printout of the bus driver giving you a thumbs up or waving. I think that could be the critical piece of evidence because if you show

[Genevieve]

that to the magistrate.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, no. Well, I've gotten into some trouble trying to be too cute in my life, so I might not be the best judge of that, but I kind of could see it being that, like, if the magistrate is already kind of like enjoying the story and then you show them the picture and it makes them laugh. Here's what I can't see happening. The magistrate's laughing at the photo. And then they go, it's $70. Like, I'm reducing it by 5. Like, I think that, you know, any semi normal person is going to have to give You a pretty good reduction at that point.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, why can't that person.

[Genevieve]

I'm going in with the. Sorry.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was just saying, why can't we call that person as a witness for

[Luke Burbank]

the defense, subpoena them?

[Andrew Walsh]

Can we subpoena the bus driver?

[Genevieve]

I don't know who he is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, we can't. What were you going to say before I cut you off?

[Genevieve]

Well, I. I'm not going to bring a print out of a photo because that does feel like I think I'm being extra clever and cute.

[Luke Burbank]

What else are you going to put in your briefcase?

[Genevieve]

Yeah, but I have a Lionel on my phone.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think you need to print out this photo. I do think it should be on that cardboard stock or that. That. What do you call that? Poster board stuff. And I also think turning a 75.

[Genevieve]

We're quickly turning a $75 ticket into a $150 boondock.

[Andrew Walsh]

Write it off. You can write it off.

[Luke Burbank]

You got to lose money to lose money.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think you should also blow up a photo of the person wearing Dabney Coleman's mask from that episode of Columbus as exhibit key. I don. Why? I think this is important.

[Luke Burbank]

But it is. This is a legal masterstroke. This is your if it doesn't fit, you must acquit moment. The entire case hinges on this. And what it is, is you blow up the Dabney Coleman, you say. Your honor, there are people that I have heard of who would stoop to the level of printing out a very, very rudimentary Dabney Coleman mask so as to attempt to lie to the legal system. We're not here to do that today. We're here to find justice. That's right.

[Genevieve]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, that's compelling.

[Andrew Walsh]

I love this.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, my interest, vivs, has shifted from hoping that you could lie your way out of this to trying to find out how much a good story will reduce the cost of this ticket. Like, what's the sort of price, if you will, on this being a cute story?

[Genevieve]

What is the true market value of this story?

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly. Okay, quickly. I know that you. You've got places to be. You're. Well, I don't want to say where you are in case you're not supposed to be talking to us. But anyway, you're in a beautiful landline.

[Andrew Walsh]

She's at the Como studios.

[Luke Burbank]

But I've also heard veebs that you are. You have recently decided to change your astrological sign, which I feel like is such an aries thing to do. But what's going on with this.

[Genevieve]

Well, I am going to change my astrological sign because, like, as I feel about all forms of religion, they're all equally bunk.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Genevieve]

But I was born according to the way that modern astrological zodiac signs are organized. I'm born in March. I'm a Pisces, which is a water sign. Oh. And I should have. If I was smart, I would have had the descriptions of the signs pulled up. But Pisces is like all water signs. It's more like sort of. I guess it's like a little bit more artistic and kind of like, go with the flow and maybe a little more reticent, more introverted. And, I mean, there's just like, any description of a Pisces, no matter how generic it is, just sounds nothing like me. Like, it's like there's no possible way that. That those could describe me even as. Even as kind of broadly applicable as all the sign descriptions are. And as much as, like, everybody has some elements of every sign in their personality. But then when you go and read about Scorpio, which I forget when Scorpio is, but it's like, well across, like, in a very different part of the calendar. I think it's, like, November, maybe. That was much more like me, like, pretty assertive, you know, very, like, focused on, like, wanting things to be, like, fact based and evidence based. So I think Scorpio, I think it might be a fire sign. I can't remember, but it's definitely not a water sign.

[Andrew Walsh]

Genevieve, you were so angry. I don't know how we got on this topic the other day. And this is the. This is going back a ways now, but somehow the topic came up, and so you were on your phone and you called up a specific description of what Pisces are known for. And you were reading it to me, and you were. You were, like, angry angry. And I think. Yeah. Are you looking the one from Allure? Here we go.

[Genevieve]

Compassionate, artistic, intuitive, gentle, wise, musical.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like those are, it says here, known for their dreamy nature, deep empathy, artistic flair.

[Luke Burbank]

Can I please push back on this a little bit, Genevieve? But I don't. I don't. Listen, as a Taurus, I don't really care what you do with your signs. Okay. That's classic Taurus behavior. But I do think I've been looking at the outfits that you have been sewing on Instagram. I think that is demonstrating an artistic ability. Nobody does the song.

[Genevieve]

It's actually craftsmanship. It's quite the opposite. Luke, I'm so glad you brought that up, because I am Very incapable of doing sewing. That just kind of springs from my own visioning. But I'm very good at following instructions, like, quite precisely and producing something that's a craft work. But I am not. But there's a meaningful distinction between craftsmanship and artisanry, I think.

[Andrew Walsh]

Also, like it says here, I think this is the description you were reading, which, by the way, is from Allure magazine. I don't know if that is accurate or not from what you were reading,

[Genevieve]

but it says, I'm [e-mail] but the

[Andrew Walsh]

dreamy nature, I think, takes you. It also says their interests often lie in the mystical and the artistic, where their vivid imagination, an elusive childlike spirit, can truly run wild. And you.

[Luke Burbank]

Manic Pixie Dream Veebs.

[Genevieve]

Yeah, Pisces like being alone. Wrong. Love. I mean, who doesn't like love? That's just generic sleeping. Wrong. Music. Wrong. Romance. Wrong.

[Luke Burbank]

Swimming.

[Genevieve]

I do like swimming, but that's it. Spiritual themes.

[Luke Burbank]

Wrong. Well, Veeves, let me ask you this. How do you see. And by the way, I totally support this because, like you, I don't. I don't ascribe any real, anything to this astrology stuff at all. And in fact, I used to say in my single days that, like, it would brief though they were. That, like, if, if I was talking to somebody at a bar and I was deeply interested in them and they were clearly kind of passing too, too much of their world through their astrology sign, it would be an actual deal breaker for me because it would make me wonder what. What else is. What else is broken about this person and their sense of reality? But that being said, how do you, how do you see this coming up in conversation? And how committed are you to the bit of. And I won't call it a bit. How committed are you to the fact that if it's. We're talking, we're at a bar, everyone's chatting. Oh, am I this Veebs. What are you. Are you. Are you prepared to just say Scorpio?

[Genevieve]

I'm a Scorpio.

[Luke Burbank]

You do also need to do a little bit, a little bit of research. You've got to remember what the months are. You've got to make up a new birth date.

[Genevieve]

It's. It's basically late October to late November. And I did misspeak. I didn't realize that they're both water signs. Weirdly, Scorpio is a water sign, I guess because it's a. I guess because it's a.

[Luke Burbank]

Because it's an insect that would immediately Die in water.

[Genevieve]

That's why it looks kind of like a. I mean, it looks like a scorpion, but maybe like. Also, I mean, they live in the desert. I don't know why it's a Scorpio, why it's a water sign. But. But listen to this. This is. It's resourceful. Yes. Powerful. Yes. Brave. Yes. Passionate. A true friend. Likes truth, facts. Being right. Absolutely. Talents. Teasing. Passion.

[Luke Burbank]

Podcasting.

[Genevieve]

These are very. This is very on point for me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wait, no, no.

[Luke Burbank]

That really does feel like that was written about you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, a little counterpoint here. I think this was written about you. It says, pisces are ethereal mermaids who float through life on waves of emotion and intuition, often getting lost in their own fantastical worlds. Now, this is what's problematic. It says, naturally, this mystical sign doesn't always vibe well with the bold and brazen fire signs. Aries, Leo, and. Wait for it. Ya boy. Over here. Sagittarius. I think that's another thing that pissed you off, is that I'm a Sagittarius.

[Genevieve]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, why. Why are you. Why are you predicting this for our relationship?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, also, like, I am a Sagittarius. Well, not only that, but also, I think the Sagittarius sign doesn't really sound like me. I think Genevieve thinks I am more of a. More of a Pisces vibing down the life of emotion and intuition. But I also want to clear one other thing up, Genevieve. If anybody at a bar asks you what your sign is, the answer is, my sign is I have a boyfriend at home.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that's what.

[Andrew Walsh]

Stop. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Because I assume I had.

[Luke Burbank]

Like I do at my other job. I work with some people, at least one person who I. I think that they definitely believe they give more thought to astrology than any of the three of us do. And. And it is a lens through which more stuff than. Than I would is interpreted. Like, well, what are you. Oh, you're that. You know, and she was telling me one time, like, we were like in a meeting or something. The meeting had gone slightly off topic, and she said, oh, you know what? It was actually, it was before we did a show, before we did an episode of Livewire at the theater, and it had been Becca's birthday. And I said, they were like, hey, what were you doing this week? I said, well, we did this and that because it was Becca's birthday. And then she started doing this analysis. She goes, well, she's a. I don't even know what her sign equates to, but and then she was like, and you're a what? And I said, taurus. And she goes, oh, that's a terrible match. A terrible match. And my first thought was, like, really? Like, you're just gonna tell me that about my girlfriend?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And then. And then the second thing was, she goes, well, because I think she might be my sign. And she was like, well, I was dating somebody who was that sign. And it was just. And she's just like. And it was. We just did not get along. And it was this and that. She goes, I mean, later, I did learn he was diagnosed as bipolar. And I go, that may have also played a role.

[Genevieve]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, maybe more so than the.

[Genevieve]

But why would she. Bipolar, Luke? Cause it's a sign.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly. Classic Aries or whatever.

[Genevieve]

But the thing about this is what I said to Andrew when I was complaining about this, which is, like, there's always some kind of, like, way that people who believe in the, you know, the zodiac, astrology or whatever can, like, they always have an off ramp. Because it's always like, oh, well, yes, you're a Pisces, but you were born at, you know, 12:41am in Chicago. And so everything about Pisces is actually the opposite for you. So it's like when they do your star chart, you can make it be. It could be whatever you want, because there's always something rising and something's in retrograde, and it takes an already meaningless set of beliefs. Sorry. Not sorry. And makes it even more ridiculous.

[Luke Burbank]

All right. It's the opposite of codifying, really. It's like throwing it wide open for any interpretation of any reality.

[Andrew Walsh]

Last attempt at this, Genevieve, of me trying to convince you that you truly are a Pisces. What about this? Pisces thrive in relationships where they can swim freely in the depths of intimacy and soul searching, always toeing the line between fantasy and reality. Are you saying that does. Not.

[Genevieve]

That kind of blooming. No, I'm not interested in that kind of.

[Andrew Walsh]

That doesn't describe our relationship. Because I'm shocked to hear that.

[Luke Burbank]

What about this? This is another reading.

[Genevieve]

I'm giving ways. Like, I am not a Pisces. Like, it's. I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm not a Scorpio, but I'm not a Pisces.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm seeing this for Pisces, though. She walks like summer and talks like rain. Reminds me that there's time to change. Oh, I'm sorry. That's from drops of Jupiter.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was trying to place that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, well, Veeves I fully support you in this, but like I said, you definitely need to get your. As a person who has been caught lying a couple of times in my life, you just gotta make sure that you've got your supporting evidence really at the tip of your brain. Because my guess is you might be one or two drinks in when this. When the time to deploy this. And I'm not going to call it a lie. I'm going to call it your chosen reality. They just have to have a few other things. Yeah, your truth. Exactly.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my God. I'm not even joking for a second, Luke, I thought you were going back to her upcoming hearing. And I thought you were saying that Genevieve is going to be a few drinks in by the time she appears before the magistrate. I was like, that is not my understanding of the plan.

[Genevieve]

No, that's not the plan.

[Luke Burbank]

Nothing to just calm your nerves when you have to go in there and have a negotiation. It would be funny if the. For some reason, the magistrate asked you if you were an Aries, and then you had to actually lie. Like, this would be all of your recent decisions and rules colliding with each other. All right, well, Ve. Thanks for coming on the show today.

[Genevieve]

Yeah, I'm sure we'll. I'm sure Andrew will keep you posted on what happens with the ticket as this drama continues to unfold.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thanks. And thanks for being on such a great phone line.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, thanks, Veeps. Have a great weekend.

[Genevieve]

Always happy to use a landline when one of the few left in America.

[Andrew Walsh]

All right. Bye, Kenneth.

[Luke Burbank]

See you soon. Yeah, Bye, Veeves.

[Genevieve]

See you soon. Bye.

[Luke Burbank]

That's the next thing they're going to take away from academia, Andrew, is the landline.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I know.

[Luke Burbank]

They're coming for it. For everything, including the good phone connection.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, especially when the taxpayers learn that Genevieve's phone line was used for.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I'm trying to. That's why I always tried to be vague where she might be, but I think.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, she's on a. She's on a job site building the new light rail. Luke, that's what I was talking about

[Luke Burbank]

there when I said exactly.

[Andrew Walsh]

Money. All right. You should get out of here, though.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I think that's. I think that's going to be good for. For not just today, but this whole week. It's been a fun week, actually. Thanks for spending it with us, everybody. We're gonna be back here Monday with more imaginary radio for all of you. I'll be able to report Andrew on how something called Bingo Loco went, which I'm Tonight I'm or this afternoon I'm going to Indianapolis, Indiana to observe this whole thing, whatever it is. So much to talk about on Monday, I'm sure. In the meantime, thanks for listening, folks. Have a great weekend, everybody. And please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

And good luck to all.

[Genevieve]

Power out.