#4756 Every Which Way But Bruce

Summary

Podcast Summary

TBTL #4756: "Every Which Way But Bruce"

Date: June 24, 2026
Hosts: Luke Burbank & Andrew Walsh
Guest: Genevieve (frequent contributor, Andrew’s partner)

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Overview

This lively Wednesday episode finds Luke and Andrew in classic TBTL form, riffing on pop culture ephemera (a 25-year-old Bruce Willis movie, Hudson Hawk), dog park adventures, automotive misadventures, and the emotional reset that comes from a spontaneous outing. The show dives into everything from the philosophy of Rotten Tomatoes actor photos to a heartwarming story about Andrew’s dog Lucy bonding with a French toddler. In true TBTL fashion, humor, nostalgia, and gentle self-deprecation reign.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Batmobile vs. Batman Mobile (00:00–01:05)

• The show opens with a comedic bicker about whether Batman’s car is “Batmobile” or “Batman mobile”:
  • Andrew: “Batmobile. That’s what I said.” (00:11)
  • Luke: “Batman mobile.” (00:13)
• Classic TBTL: “Drop the man.” “Do you have any music, Carl?” They lean into playful absurdity.

2. Weather & Dog Absence (01:20–02:04)

• Luke sets the scene from Madrona Hill studio; dogs are absent due to outdoor landscaping and to avoid DJ (his dog) “losing her mind.”

3. Podcast Cold Open & Wellness Drinks (02:11–03:01)

• Luke’s battling a cold, drinking “elderberry lemon balm Immune plus stress with ashwagandha…for aptogenic support.”
• Announces he’ll recommend a new podcast (meta-podcasting moment).

4. Actor Photos on Rotten Tomatoes & Hudson Hawk Nostalgia (03:17–10:49)

• Andrew rails against Danny Aiello’s “rotten war crime” headshot on Rotten Tomatoes.
  • “If you are an actor of the level of Danny Aiello, should your photo be the most up-to-date…or at their most iconic?” (03:50–04:13)
• Discussion swerves into old Bruce Willis movies, particularly Hudson Hawk:
  • Andrew wonders, “I don’t think I can [re-watch Hudson Hawk].” (06:08)
  • Genevieve is right: some movies are best left as nostalgic memories.
• Luke reads a hilariously convoluted Hudson Hawk plot summary:
  • “I want to leave that right where I left it.” – Luke (06:10)
  • Andrew, giving in: “You got me again, Luke. I think I’m back in.” (10:38)

5. Moonlighting vs. Moonstruck Mixup (10:49–13:05)

• Andrew confuses TV’s Moonlighting with film Moonstruck—a recurring theme.
• They reminisce about the “will they or won’t they” sexual tension between Bruce Willis and Cybill Shepherd.
• Luke: “There is a sexual frisson between Sybil Shepard and Bruce Willis that's undeniable.” (12:51)

6. TV Shows, Theme Songs, and Sultriness (13:05–17:48)

• The hosts investigate whether actor photos should be “current” or “classic."
• They Google Moonlighting’s premise and discuss Al Jarreau’s theme song.
  • Andrew quips: “Why did I think the show was sultry?” (16:40)
• They meme-ify the theme song and joke about copyright takedowns.

7. Andrew’s Car Troubles & Dealership Adventures (17:54–23:47)

• Andrew details a “shuddering” car, post-service. He played audio from his nervous drive to the dealership, chronicling engine struggles (21:00–23:24).
  • “Had to ride in second gear most of the way… Did not seem to make the car very happy.” (22:24)
• He appreciates that the service advisor promises to waive diagnostic fees if the previous service caused the fault.

8. Floating Down the River (25:00–27:20)

• Luke describes his first “river float” experience: “most relaxing, fun thing I’ve done since I can remember.”
• Andrew reminisces about similar childhood outings, connecting deeply with the “journey is the destination” vibe.

9. Dog Park Stories, Dog Fear, and Generational Baggage (30:45–43:25)

• Andrew recounts a transformative dog park visit with partner Genevieve and their dog Lucy at North Acres.
• High point: a French mother and son—no dog—bond with Lucy. The boy “adopts” Lucy for the day, filling Andrew’s heart:
  • “It was like a children’s book watching this boy and the dog.” (40:10)
• Andrew describes his dog anxiety stemming from a childhood fear—a vivid story involving being cornered by small dogs.

10. Navigating Social Anxiety and Inclusion (43:25–49:56)

• Andrew notices an outsider at the dog park—a solitary man with two intimidating-looking but well-behaved dogs:
  • “If there was a way for me to let him know he was welcome…” (49:00)
• Luke praises Andrew’s empathy: “You were clocking him in that way, I think it's actually really nice.” (49:56)
• The sequence highlights the show’s gentle approach to mental health and community.

11. Emotional Reset, Pets, and Domestic Life (52:41–56:08)

• Andrew shares a tough day—basement contractor drama, Lucy destroying Genevieve’s sewing pattern, the “toxic cloud” of frustration.
• The spontaneous dog park trip provided a shared “full body shake” reset.
  • “Let's go to that dog park and let's do it…within moments, I wasn't thinking about anything else.” (55:04)

12. Listener Letters: Kenny Loggins Living Room Concert (58:01–63:56)

• Listener Rich’s voicemail details a successful Kickstarter to bring Kenny Loggins to a living room concert ($30k!) (59:47).
  • Discussion: Did Kenny donate the money? Was it all his to keep?
  • Luke and Andrew riff on Loggins’s career—nearly all his major solo hits are movie songs (“Danger Zone,” “Footloose,” “I’m Alright”).

13. Frog Jump Preview & TBTL Telethon (65:27–67:36)

• The upcoming Valley City Frog Jump Festival is teased.
• Listener Simeon from Frog Watch USA will appear on Friday.
• Ongoing listener contest: what should they name their frog?

14. Preview of Future Topics (67:36–67:58)

• Luke promises “subway hot takes” for tomorrow's show, keeping anticipation high.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Batmobile Debate:
  • Andrew: “Drop the man.” (00:19)
• On Rotten Tomatoes Actor Photos:
  • “What are they doing to him? …He’s unrecognizable. It’s up to date…but it’s such a bad shot.” – Andrew, 04:04
• On Hudson Hawk Nostalgia:
  • “I want to leave that right where I left it.” – Luke, 06:10
  • “You got me again, Luke. …I think I’m back in.” – Andrew, 10:38
• On Cybill Shepherd:
  • “I always liked Cybill Shepherd…she was very gorgeous. …But you shouldn’t judge a show based on its first couple of episodes or its pilots.” – Andrew, 11:45–12:13
• On Social Anxiety at the Dog Park:
  • Andrew: “Even knowing that now, I still don’t think I’m comfortable enough in the dog sphere to go there myself and do an off-leash thing with Lucy.” (41:48)
• On Resetting Emotionally:
  • “I think we need to kind of do that full body shake right now.” – Andrew describing a mental/emotional reset inspired by dog behavior (52:51)
• On Kenny Loggins’s House Concert:
  • Listener Rich: “…Kenny Loggins, in addition to being an absolutely amazing recording artist, was also just kind of good dude…played along with a bit, even so far as to play a friend of mine’s living room.” (59:47)
• On Community:
  • Luke: “Dog park is one of the great joys of dog ownership…letting her get her yayas out, chatting with other people. …a grounding, reset thing.” (55:04)

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Important Timestamps

• Batmobile/Batman mobile dispute: 00:00–01:05
• Danny Aiello Rotten Tomatoes photo debate: 03:17–04:50
• Hudson Hawk nostalgia: 05:52–11:23
• Moonlighting/Moonstruck confusion: 11:23–13:05
• Moonlighting theme song deep dive: 16:16–17:48
• Andrew’s car trouble, driving audio: 18:12–23:47
• River floating stories: 25:00–27:26
• Dog park, French boy/Lucy story: 33:02–42:49
• Feeling like an outsider at the dog park: 43:25–49:56
• Kenny Loggins house concert voicemail: 58:01–63:56
• Frog Jump Festival preview: 65:27–66:49

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Tone & Style

• Warm, funny, self-effacing, meandering in the best way—a real friend-to-friend vibe.
• Very much about nostalgia, pet ownership, and subtle encouragement for listeners to connect, reset, and be kind.

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TL;DR

A quintessential episode: Luke and Andrew trade stories about movie nostalgia (Hudson Hawk, Moonlighting), car misadventures, and the healing power of dogs and dog parks. A French boy adopts Lucy for an afternoon. They ponder what makes a community and laugh at their own hang-ups. The show ends with a tale of Kenny Loggins's living-room concert, a preview of frog-jumping shenanigans to come, and the promise of more hot takes tomorrow. If you’re craving warmth, wit, and a gentle nudge to go outside and “reset,” this episode is your ticket.

Transcript

[Andrew]

So let's fire up the Batman mobile, go to a taco stand and eat some feelings.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, Okay. I just.

[Andrew]

I think it's Batmobile.

[Luke Burbank]

Batman mobile.

[Andrew]

Batmobile. That's what I said.

[Luke Burbank]

Batman mobile.

[Andrew]

You're putting the man.

[Genevieve]

There's no man.

[Luke Burbank]

It's just Batmobile. Batman mobile. Batmobile.

[Andrew]

Drop the man.

[Luke Burbank]

Batman mobile.

[Andrew]

Batmobile.

[Luke Burbank]

Batmobile.

[Andrew]

Tbtl. Do you have any music, Carl? I have the Internet radio. I love Internet radio.

[Luke Burbank]

You've come to the right place, because I have that.

[Andrew]

My podcast is on life support.

[Luke Burbank]

Hey, I need new listeners.

[Andrew]

When we first met. Don't speak. Please don't speak. Please don't speak. No, no, no.

[Luke Burbank]

Go.

[Genevieve]

Just. What?

[Andrew]

Don't speak. I'm starting to feel like a corn dog at a hot dog party, and it ain't fl, and I'll tell you that.

[Genevieve]

All right.

[Luke Burbank]

Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Wednesday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

[Andrew]

Now that's interesting.

[Luke Burbank]

My name. My name is Luke Burbank.

[Andrew]

Here's my sweet stache. Let's freaking party.

[Luke Burbank]

Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio, perched high above the mighty Columbia, where it is another absolutely beautiful day, which I. Oh, Matt.

[Andrew]

Pa.

[Luke Burbank]

It's just beautiful. Allegedly, the temperature will be down a bit today, so it'll be kind of the exact perfect temperature today. I think it's gonna be maybe in the mid-70s or so here, high above the mighty Columbia. I do not have the dogs here in the studio with me, Gigi, or dj because we have some landscaping going on. There are certain parts of this yard that I am simply not up to the task of dealing with. And we got some folks working here today, and they're doing that work right outside the studio. And DJ was just going to absolutely lose his mind. Her mind, I should say.

[Andrew]

Too loud and too specific.

[Luke Burbank]

So that will be going on in the background here as we've arrived. Episode 4756 in a collector series.

[Andrew]

Let the fun begin.

[Luke Burbank]

Day three. Let's see, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. I guess day four of me having this cold. I thought that it was going to be better this morning. And I'm. Even if I sound like less stressed than usual, it's because I'm drinking elderberry lemon balm. Immune plus stress with ashwagandha for aptogenic support. So you'll hear a lot of that in my voice as I'm doing the show. By the way, I was gonna mention that there is a new podcast out that I wanted to recommend for everybody. Yeah, everyone's got a podcast, I guess. Kind of is a weird thing to do on our podcast. But I use this as a place to tell people about other podcasts. But I trust you all. I trust you to both eat your daily recommended amount of TBT and then go off and listen to other podcasts. So I'll tell you about some of those and we'll tell you about this guy.

[Andrew]

Oh, hey, y', all. Said my name.

[Luke Burbank]

Longest running cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He just got back from an automobile adventure. Oh, and the adventure begins again. And I am absolutely dying to hear. He's Andrew Walsh, you joining me right now? Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew]

Good morning, Luke. I know we have a lot to get to, including said automobile adventure, which I'm excited to tell you about. Having said that, I just stumbled on something in the past 15 seconds or so that you texted me. Stop thinking about. Yes, I just texted you a screen cap. The profile photo that they use of actor Danny Aiello on the Rotten Tomatoes website is a. It's rotten war crime. Is that why they call it Rotten Tomatoes?

[Luke Burbank]

You didn't know? It's about the profile pictures.

[Andrew]

What are they doing to him? What is going on in that photo?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, this raises a really interesting question. If you are an actor of the level of Danny Aiello, should you on rotten tomatoes or IMDb or those kinds of places, should your photo be the most up to date photo they can get so as to be the most accurate depiction of you in the year of our Lord 2026? Or should it be you at like, Purple Rose of Cairo?

[Andrew]

And that is actually the reason I ended up here, by the way. That little piece of tape that we just played was from the Purple Rose of Cairo.

[Genevieve]

The.

[Andrew]

Don't speak. Don't speak. Don't speak. And I knew that it was Madeline Kahn. No, that's exactly what I was trying to look up. It was.

[Luke Burbank]

I thought that was from like Young Frankenstein or something.

[Andrew]

It's Dianne Wiest and she is saying it to John Cusack's character. Isn't he the. Isn't he the young man in that? I swear that's. I don't have the tape in front of me and I have to stop the music to play it. But I was trying to figure out who plays, like, the somewhat aging ingenue in that movie playing that. And I believe that's Diane Wiest. But as I looked it up, I saw that Danny Aiello is also in there. And I'm Just looking at the Google search results of the cast of that movie. And I'm like, why is Google using this photo? I mean, he's unrecognizable. First of all, it is up to date, which I have no issue with that. But he's wearing some sort of sunglasses and he's squinting. He's looking right in the camera and he's squinting in a way that looks like he's playing like an evil character, like baring his te or something. He looks like a warped evil headmaster in some sort of. He's got veneers and part of his Venus. Oh, those are veneers.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, well, so there's something uncanny because he's at the age where your teeth should have a little wear and tear on them. And these teeth have none of that.

[Andrew]

I didn't know that. But there are so many photos of him. He's unrecognizable. He's unrecognizable. And then I come to Rotten Tomatoes and I see that when you look at their profile, it says their highest rate is highest rated movie and lowest rated movie. And the highest rated is the Purple Rose of Cairo. I would not have expected that. I would have expected to be like a gangster movie or something. Isn't he in. Isn't he in one of those gangster movies?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, he was in Moonstruck. He was in do the Right Thing. He was in Hudson Hawk. That's probably where you know him.

[Andrew]

No, I used to love in the last Don. Scared to go back to that. Have you watched Hudson Hawk in a while? Were you a fan of that?

[Luke Burbank]

Huge fan.

[Andrew]

We've.

[Luke Burbank]

This has come up on the show.

[Andrew]

I'm scared to go back. I don't think I can.

[Luke Burbank]

I want to leave that. I want to leave that right where I left it. Which is an amazing movie starring Bruce Willis and Sandra Bernhardt, I believe.

[Andrew]

Is that who it is? I don't ever remember anymore. Maybe Diane Wiest.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know Diane Wiest.

[Andrew]

The thing about this is it means Genevieve wins this one. A long time ago, I got myself a tube of toothpaste I think I made.

[Luke Burbank]

This is how most Hudson Hawk relates.

[Andrew]

I think I just got it out of the. I don't remember exactly what the situation was, but for the longest time, Genevieve had her toothpaste, which was something that is like, it's fine, but it has. It seems somewhat clinical to me. Pronamel. I want to say something like that. And I'm just like, I like this. Whatever reminds me of my youth Something stripey, maybe every now and then, some. Some close up with that cinnamon flavor, hoping that I get kissed or something like that. I just like to go shopping for that someday. There's something someday. And there's something about Pro Pronamel that just didn't seem really fun for me in the bathroom.

[Luke Burbank]

Feels like a dentist definitely told you, you need to start using this.

[Andrew]

Exactly. So I would always use my own toothpaste. And then one day, Genevieve saw that I was just using hers. I didn't buy anymore. And she said, this is years ago. And she just came in. She said, I see I've won. And I said, what do you mean you've won? She's like, you're using Pronamel. I'm like, it wasn't a contest. I was just buying the toothpaste. I see I've won. She really took that as a victory for her that I was using Pronamel, whereas I just sort of saw it as apathy.

[Luke Burbank]

You're like, it's a war of attrition.

[Genevieve]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And she won that.

[Luke Burbank]

I ran out of toothpaste, like, much like my enamel. It's a war of attrition.

[Andrew]

Exactly. So I just.

[Luke Burbank]

And I would like to professionalize it, by the way.

[Andrew]

I just use cake frosting now. It's so much better. It tastes so much better.

[Luke Burbank]

Take that, teeth.

[Andrew]

That's something Homer Simpson would say. But all of that is to say,

[Luke Burbank]

so how does Genevieve win in this, Hudson?

[Andrew]

Well, because, I mean, I don't know if she can hear me through the door or not right now, but like that. When we were first dating, you know, you go through the. Those growing pains early on of, like, he likes these kinds of movies. She likes those kinds of movies. We fit into the usual stereotypes of this one. Like, Genevieve was like, I just like popcorn movies. And by the way, I admire this about her. No joke. Like, she just has a wide taste in movies and can appreciate all kinds of movies. And, like, has, I would say, at this point, better taste in movies than me because it's. She has a more of a universal taste and a universal knowledge of films. But when I met her, I was like my little rotten, snobby self who only would watch, like, you know, Vim Vendor films.

[Luke Burbank]

Filmish.

[Andrew]

Yeah, exactly.

[Genevieve]

And.

[Andrew]

And I. We would get into so many arguments that I think I did maybe, quote, unquote, make her watch Hudson Hawk. I think we watched it together. Or she had seen it. No, I think it was one of those where I was like, we have to watch this movie. Like, this is an important movie and. And she hated it. Gummo fits in that category as well. But I stand by Gummo. But I do not think I can stand by Hudson Hawk anymore. And this was a ongoing thing for years of me trying to defend Hudson Hawk and its silliness and it's, you know, it's sort of genre bending ness and everything. But as I talk to you about it right now, possibly in the privacy of this conversation, or possibly being spied upon by my beloved outside the door, I gotta say, I think she was right on this one. There's not one fiber of my being that wants to go back to seeing Bruce Willis doing some sort of cheeky song while he's breaking into a bank or whatever it is.

[Luke Burbank]

Eddie Hawkins is on parole and just wants to enjoy a cappuccino. But his plans are constantly interrupted. He and his partner, Tommy Five Tone Messina, played by Danny Aiello, are blackmailed by the CIA and a. And a psychotic wealthy couple. Darwin and Minerva Mayflower. Richard E. Grant and Sandra Bernhardt. By the way, that is great casting for a psychotic wealthy couple. Who's the other one?

[Andrew]

Who's the nun?

[Luke Burbank]

Richard Grant. If you Google him and you see his face, you'll be like, that guy Richard. He's this British dude that's in a bunch of stuff, but nobody knows his name.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. He must have been pretty young, huh?

[Luke Burbank]

The Mayflowers are attempting to assemble pieces of a legendary Leonardo da Vinci machine that can turn lead into gold. And they force Hawk to do the dirty work of stealing the artifacts. Hawk and his partners synchronize the timing of their robberies to popular songs like Swinging on a Star and Side by Side instead of relying on high tech gadgets. I'm not kidding. This doesn't sound like the worst plot I actually know.

[Andrew]

You got me again, Luke. I hate to say, not unlike Bruce Willis, who was just trying to enjoy his cappuccino. I think I'm back in.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe you and I can watch it together in Ohio.

[Andrew]

Oh, let's do a riffs track on that or whatever the generic term for that is.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, because again, I probably watched it when I was, I'm gonna say, like 14 or 15. I was in for anything Bruce Willis related because of Die Hard. So me and Peter Williams, we would rent, you know, movies every Friday night, videos. And we became obsessed with Die Hard. And so then I think we were, like, kind of going down the Bruce Willis rabbit hole. You know, the one part that we never got to that might Be interesting to revisit would be Moonlighting.

[Andrew]

Oh, I love Moonlighting. It's one of my favorite movies.

[Luke Burbank]

So you've, like. Have you. You've rewatched that in adulthood, that tv? Oh, you're thinking of Moonstruck.

[Andrew]

Why do I keep doing that? You just. You said Moonstruck before, I believe.

[Luke Burbank]

And I was also a Daniello.

[Andrew]

I always get them confused. Moonlighting, I think I tried to revisit Bruce Willis.

[Luke Burbank]

Shepherd. It's where the will they or they thing was kind of born, I think.

[Andrew]

You know, I always liked Cybill shepherd, you know, as a young man, I think I was growing up, she was very much kind of my type. I loved her hair. I love that hairstyle and everything. She was very gorgeous. And so I remember, like, kind of dipping in on mood lighting here and there, but it wasn't really age appropriate for me, I think. And then I did go back in as adult and thought, oh, now I can start this from the beginning. And I did start it from the beginning. And I think it's important to note that you shouldn't judge a show, especially an aging show like that, based on its first couple of episodes or its pilots, because those things take a while to find their chemistry.

[Luke Burbank]

And in those days, they were giving them 35 episodes.

[Andrew]

Yes. They had a lot of cocaine.

[Luke Burbank]

We'll figure this out by the 10th episode. Now you might get eight episodes.

[Andrew]

Yeah. So I remember trying to watch, like, the first episode or something and being like, okay, this is not working for me. In this given moment, it seemed a little clunkier than I remembered. I just remembered as being like the definition of just like sultry, kind of like. Like the chemist. And not just like that, because they're both good looking, but I remember them having a chemistry between them. Right. That's the whole point of that show.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. I've never watched an episode of Moonlighting, but what I know is that there is a sexual frisson between Sybil Shepard and Bruce Willis that's undeniable. I just know that from hearing adults say that when I was like, 10.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, having never watched it.

[Genevieve]

But it was.

[Luke Burbank]

Are they, like. Is he somebody a private investigator?

[Andrew]

He's a private investigator. Does he work for her? Maybe. I don't know. Now, let's look at. Okay, you're the. You're the man behind the computer today. I've. I've already broken my computer by conjuring this photo of Danny Aiello, which is just cruel to me. And I'm not trying to be cruel. By the way.

[Luke Burbank]

So back to my question. As I'm. As I'm Googling Moonlighting. So you think that the photos of actors should represent the version of them that we picture in our mind, not their current version of them?

[Andrew]

I mean, it kind of depends, like, what their status is, if they're still working and they released a big movie last year. I mean, this is still kind of what you're saying, but, like, you know, and they're working, but I don't think Danny Aiello has worked in a while, and this doesn't represent any of his characters. And it's not a good headshot. That's the thing. It's not even a current headshot. It's clearly like, him, like, kind of like, I make this face all the time when I don't think I'm being observed. He's like, wincing into some lights that are hurting his eyes, despite these. I mean, listen, the sunglasses he has to take the blame for. Like, he chose those. He put those on his face. Presumably.

[Luke Burbank]

The problem is they're, I believe they're transition lenses.

[Andrew]

And they.

[Luke Burbank]

Lenses that have not transitioned out of

[Andrew]

the indoor or into the outdoor, whatever. They're. They're somewhere in between and like. And he's just like, wincing with these veneers, but it's like he's on the red carpet somewhere. He looks confused and angry. And I just don't think that that is the type of photo you should be using for this. If he's like. I just think there's a lot of context would go into it. But, like, if you want to use a current photo, it should still be a publicity photo, I think, but not this. I'm sure this was the cheapest one they could find. Or maybe some. I mean, Rotten Tomatoes. Are they even thinking about that? There's probably just some, like, Internet scraper that is just grabbing these and sucking them in. Right?

[Luke Burbank]

You be careful how you talk about Rotten Tomatoes. You know, it's my mother's entire worldview point on movies.

[Andrew]

That is a good point.

[Luke Burbank]

She's like, you know, it got 80% on rotten tomatoes. Who even told you about Rotten Tomatoes? Mom.

[Andrew]

His lowest rated movie, by the way, with 4% splatter rate, is reach me, 2014's reach me. So that's pretty late in his career. I'm sure he has very small role in that. Whatever the hell it is.

[Luke Burbank]

By the way, they are in Detectives in Moonlighting. The series revolved around cases investigated by the Blue Moon Detective Agency and its two partners, Madeline Matty Hayes, played by Sybil Shepard, and David Addison, played by Bruce Willis.

[Andrew]

Okay, there you go. So they're partners. For some reason I thought the power dynamic was that he worked for her, but I think I'm wrong about that.

[Luke Burbank]

No, no, you're not wrong. The stories. The show's storyline begins with the reversal of fortune of Maddie Hayes, a former model who finds herself bankrupt after her accountant steals all of her liquid assets. She is left with several failing businesses formerly maintained as tax write offs. One of them is City of Angels Detective Agency, helmed by the carefree David Addison.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

The pilot and the first one hour episode. David persuades Maddie to keep the business and run it as a partnership.

[Andrew]

So interesting. So she does. Wow. I'm kind of.

[Genevieve]

Okay.

[Andrew]

Look at that. I had a. A kernel of truth in my assumption from that show. From the 80s, right? Started in the 80s, goes into the 90s.

[Genevieve]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

85 through 89.

[Andrew]

Oh, okay. Doesn't even make it to the 90s. So there you go.

[Luke Burbank]

Theme song by Al Jarou.

[Andrew]

Oh, gee.

[Luke Burbank]

It's a big hit. It was a big hit.

[Andrew]

I can't picture it. I'm gonna look it up here. Moonlighting. Not.

[Luke Burbank]

The song is called Moon by Al

[Andrew]

Jerome song and I. Al Jerome. That's a name that I should know.

[Luke Burbank]

He's kind of like a smooth jazz guy.

[Andrew]

Okay. Yeah, let's hear what this.

[Luke Burbank]

So he doesn't sing in the songs. Although maybe he sings in this one. Maybe he sings Moonlighting at some point. But he's generally like a smooth jazz dude.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah. Why did I think the show was sultry?

[Luke Burbank]

There's a right way to rock and a wrong way to roll.

[Andrew]

There's a wrong way to moon and the right way to light. Don't you change.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, maybe Aljaro does sing.

[Andrew]

I should say that this is a three minute song. So I don't know what part of this was used for the. This isn't. I'm not watching the credits. I'm seeing a slideshow somebody put together of the two leads just sort of embracing and being cute together. Charming and bright,

[Luke Burbank]

by the way, I was so wrong. Aldro sings in like every song. Okay, I think I was confusing him with a different smooth jazz guy. Is he ever going to sing Moonlighting?

[Andrew]

Come on, let's get to it. Drop the bass, as Luke likes to say. Oh, I was so excited. Oh, he did say moon. He said moon. Oh, it just occurred to me. Oh, now we're going to be pulled down. Of course we're being pulled down anyway.

[Luke Burbank]

In all Al Jaro loving countries of the world.

[Andrew]

Yeah, exactly. In the eastern block. So. Hey, that was fun.

[Luke Burbank]

Can we find out what happened this morning when you had to drive your. Oh, I didn't even get into this yesterday. I find it very suspicious that after you took the car to the dealership and they allegedly fixed it, suddenly then, like the next day you're driving it and a bunch of different lights go off and the car is protecting itself.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I think I'm. I'm optimistic about the. About that.

[Luke Burbank]

Put the oil cap back on or something.

[Andrew]

And if so, I think that we will. I think they'll be good to us again. We take it to the dealership and, you know, we bought the car from them almost 10 years ago now. So, like, I think they're going to be pretty. Oh, they did have complimentary snacks, by the way, in the waiting area that came up recently. You were talking about having to buy snacks from or steal from Avante Market and that. And that's your dealer as well. Right. But they're not giving you free snacks here. They had. Oh, you know what? I took a picture of it because I was going to send it to you because they had little bags of goldfish. Oh, goldfish, darling. But do you think they had plain flavor? No, they only had flavors. Exactly. They had some of those little bags of little like mini chocolate chip cookies. I mostly focused on the goldfish bags. I never even sent them to you. It looks like there's some granola bars in there. And they had little soccer themed stress balls. A big thing of those, probably to celebrate the World cup. So they know how to treat their customers there. I almost grabbed one of the stress balls and I was like, what? What have I got to worry about?

[Luke Burbank]

But did you bring it up with them that the car started doing this weird stuff literally the day after it had. Okay. They seemed open to that line of inquir.

[Andrew]

So. Yes. And I will tell you about how I ended up arriving there in a moment. And I have a little bit of audio which I might play for you. It's not awesome, but I did record my entire drive just because I wanted to capture any potential excitement. But I'm not a very good in car narrator to myself. I did my best, so maybe I'll play a little bit of it for you here. But once I was there, I was telling the fella and Genevieve is with me because of course, she was in the chaser car behind me the whole time. And I did ment. Like, you know, it's funny, we brought it in on Friday for an oil change and some just like kind of a once over and everything was fine before that. So I mean, it could be related to that. And so then when the guy gave me the quote, he's like, well, listen, it's going to be a $250, I think like 250 or 225. Just diagnosis charge. He said, but if in that diagnosis we see somebody left something loose or left a dipstick in the tank or something like that, then we will completely waive that and take care of you. So I do appreciate that. And the fact that he kind of, kind of brought it up and emphasized that. And Genevieve said, I almost checked the dipstick. She said this to him. She's like, I almost checked the dipstick. But then it occurred to me, I don't know where the dipstick is. And I was also thinking like, I don't know, like, why would a dipstick in the tank make it shudder like this? The only reason I kind of want to play this tape for you, I'm a little embarrassed because I just. You can hear the morning in my voice. This was around 7:30 in the morning. And you can hear I'm got that kind of morning congestion. And I'm not a particularly interesting person here, but I grabbed about. It's just a little bit over a minute of me driving the car. And what I think is kind of interesting, first of all, I just set my recorder on the dashboard and I had no idea if it was picking me up well or not. I just kind of aimed the microphones at me. I took my little field recorder and I was actually pretty pleased at how clear my voice is over top of the engine. But you can hear the engine sort of struggling and it gives you a little bit of a sense of some of that shaking I was talking about. So this isn't. Again, just, just be prepared. This is very mid tape and it's a little cringey, but here it is about a minute 20 it looks like here. All right, now I'm gonna hit a bunch of stop signs in a row. This is the first one. I hate my breathing. I hate what a heavy breather I am.

[Luke Burbank]

Where are you? Where are you on? What road are you on?

[Andrew]

I'm right now, I think I'm about to say that. I think I'm on 20th and heading right into the heart of Ballard. Okay, you've already knees out of the stop sign. Now there's gonna be a stop sign. Every single small tiny block For a little stret. This is gonna be trying. I'm at 57th now. Okay, so I'm on 20th through 57th. I should mention Genevieve is following me in the chaser car and she seems to be doing okay back there. I'm at a four way stop on 56th, going through there. Can you sort of hear the car struggling? I have to give it a lot of gas.

[Genevieve]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Hear the engine kind of revving. What was it like driving that?

[Andrew]

I'm one minute away, shaky two tenths of a mil as I approach the Salmon Bay Fraternal Order of Eagles Club. So you know I'm real close now, right? Luke from another reverend taking the weird left here on to Leary. Got the light, which I love. I can almost see the shop from where I am. Suffice it to say I make it. And yeah, so that was. You were right. Once I got up up on top of Crown Hill and then it's a pretty slow decline the rest of the way. I was able to like really lay off the gas. But as I'm pressing, when I do have to stop at a stop sign or a light or something, the car go, you know, until I finally gave it enough gas and I basically had to ride in like second gear most of the way. Like getting enough gas to make third gear workable. Did not, did not seem to make the car very happy. But I did make it. I pulled it in, I pulled it into their lot. I was, I was kind of surprised.

[Luke Burbank]

Save $200, I assume.

[Andrew]

Yeah. And Genevieve pointed this out. If it does end up being something like, oh, there was a dipstick left behind or something like that, they wouldn't have covered us for the tow. You know, we would be out of that money. You know what I mean? Like right now there's a chance that this was their fault and we won't have to pay anything for this repair. But that tow money would be totally gone no matter what.

[Luke Burbank]

And they said that that's the car. Like that, that weird light and the thing it's doing is the car protecting itself.

[Andrew]

That's what the receptionist in the service department said. And I didn't get the impression from her because she said, oh, I know what that means. It's E, P, C. Like she didn't sound like somebody who necessarily works on cars, but just somebody who's kind of around it because I think some of the people who do answer the phones, there are people who know cars. But that's why I don't want to put too much emphasis on what she said, and sort of this like kind of casual conversation. She was being friendly and. Yes, and. But she's. I don't get the impression that she was a mechanic herself. So she was like, I think that's maybe just like the general warning for when the car is like kind of, you know, doing things to protect itself, whatever that means.

[Luke Burbank]

Did you say you were getting the EQC light? The man who brought the rock and

[Andrew]

roll edge to the Eagles. You know what? That's what she said. She said, that is your rock and roll soul trying to. To protect itself.

[Luke Burbank]

The car is saying, get me to EQC right now.

[Andrew]

She said, the car knows you've been listening to too much soft rock and you need the rock and roll edge of the guy, the man who brought

[Luke Burbank]

the rock and roll edge to Don Felder.

[Andrew]

Don Felder.

[Luke Burbank]

By the way, I. Have you ever done a river float?

[Andrew]

I don't think so, dude.

[Luke Burbank]

I did my first ever river float yesterday. It was so hot out here. My friend Spring who lives down the hill said, hey, do you want to float down the Calama? And I was like, I absolutely do. So we got some inner tubes and her friend parked her car down. Like it's always a two car situation, I think, because you gotta like park one car and then drive one car up, you know, to where you want to start the float. And we did, and we floated down the Calama for a couple of hours. And it was the most fun, most relaxing thing. By the way, you don't have to take your shirt off. I had a shirt on the entire time. If this is a barrier to entry for people, it was the most relaxing, fun thing I've done since I can remember floating a river. It is as advertised.

[Andrew]

When I said, I don't think so, I had some like, memories of being like on a river kind of going to. But I think I might have done a. Some sort of a slow river activity that might have been more like kayaking or something. Maybe. But I'm trying to put my. That feels like it might have been a New Hampshire thing. Exactly what you're talking about too. Like you got to either connect with a company that will drive you to the. You park in one place and. And then they shuttle you to the top of the river, which is, I think, how we did it or something. But I'm pretty sure my situation was not innertubes. But I do know that I just have this vague, calming memory of being on a river on a beautiful day with just the point of being there. There's like literally. What is the expression? The journey is the destination.

[Genevieve]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Basically, there were all these kind of cool houses along the river. One of them apparently was or allegedly is where Marlon Brando lived. We decided it was either Marlon Brando or one of the guys from the Bartles and James commercial. Allegedly. The guy who doesn't talk. Do you remember the Bartles and James commercial?

[Andrew]

Yes, I do. And this is kind of funny, guys, because I get them confused with the Bruce Willis ones, which is kind of ironic.

[Genevieve]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Seagram's Golden Light.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Bartles and James was like two kind of old guys on a porch. And I think one of them talked and one of them didn't.

[Andrew]

And they both perform magic tricks. Right?

[Luke Burbank]

Death, yes. Not Teller eating you anything. But there's. There's these rumors in Calama that the Bartle. The quiet Bartles and James guy lived there, but there's also rumors that Marlon Brando had a secret house there. So there's this one house on the river that's either the silent guy from Bartles and James or Marlon Brando.

[Andrew]

And Marlon Brando had nothing to talk about. What is the movie? And I hate to evoke this, but what is the movie that is like, people run into trouble on the river, and it's got the dueling banjo, and you got a pretty mouth.

[Luke Burbank]

That's Ned Beatty.

[Andrew]

It's Ned Beatty. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not Deer Hunter. I want to say that it was another really dark one from that.

[Genevieve]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Can you remember it's. Oh, fooey.

[Andrew]

That everybody says, oh, you got to watch this. And then you watch it, and then you're just like, sort of like cold and stunned for the rest of the weekend. Yeah, I've never actually.

[Luke Burbank]

It's. Isn't Burt Reynolds in that as well?

[Andrew]

Yes, I believe so. Here. If I just type in the catchphrase. I hate to do it, but you type in the phrase you got a purdy mouth, and you get Deliverance. Deliverance. That's what it was. Yeah, it kind of got some Deliverance vibes there.

[Luke Burbank]

Speaking of Burt Reynolds, I was listening to a great interview that David Sedaris did with John Lovett. And John Lovett was talking about the fact that apparently there is a audio book version of Moby Dick that is narrated by Burt Reynolds. Oh, and to hear John Lovett's description. Each chapter starts with Burt Reynolds really trying to lean into a kind of a maritime, you know, New Englander kind of seafaring accent, but he just runs out of. He runs out of interest by the end of each chapter. So by the end, he's just being Burt Reynolds.

[Andrew]

I mean, I'm looking. I just wanted to play a little audio.

[Luke Burbank]

Are there any clips of it?

[Andrew]

That's what I'm. Because I'm seeing a lot of people, like there's an advertisement for it for the Amazon, I'm assuming, like Audible, book on tape, Moby Dick Classics read by celebrity series. Do you have any idea. And I know I'm the one googling, but do you have any idea when he recorded this, Was it at the peak of his popularity or is this some new thing that audible is doing or something?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know the answer to that. I'm assuming he wasn't at the peak of his earning abilities because he probably. It sounds like this was the last thing he wanted to do.

[Andrew]

Okay, here. Nine years ago in the subreddit called audiobooks, somebody posted with the headline Moby Dick read by Burt Reynolds. And the first line is, holy balls. This is the corniest reading I have ever heard in just about ever. Whoever directed or allowed Bert to read this in some kind of Salt of the Sea accent with his voice fluting up and down must have been some mad comedic genius. Oh, then it says here, try the sample. Okay, they've linked to a sample here on Audible.

[Luke Burbank]

Does I have an audible?

[Andrew]

Oh, and now it says, sorry, it looks like this title is no longer available. Available. That might not be a coincidence that the official link is. Has been taken down, unfortunately.

[Luke Burbank]

Let me see. I'm not going to use up a credit for this.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

No, but let me see if I can find it in Audible also. Of all the people like that, you would choose to read this. You know, call me Ishmael. Burt Reynolds. Seems like just other than Dom DeLuise. I'm just thinking of guys that were usually standing next to each other in.

[Andrew]

Great. Listen to Dom DeLuise do it.

[Genevieve]

It.

[Andrew]

I'm sorry, I'm having. No, look, no luck over here at all with any kind of.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it's not letting me. Well, you know what? I could probably do Audible on my phone here, but anyway, maybe that's. Maybe I should play the Top Story.

[Andrew]

Love to hear that. Hello and welcome to Top Story.

[Luke Burbank]

You had a dog park story that you wanted to share with us?

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah. You know, I mean, this isn't a. You know, I don't know if this has any kind of narrative arc here, but boy, did I have a time at the dog park the other day. It was my first time at the Dog park. And I just want to say that it was 1996. Boing Boing has an article here. In 1996, Burt Reynolds narrated an audiobook of Moby Dick in case we were looking for. So he was still pretty much in the game in 96, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew]

But Luke, do you know that I've never really been to a dog park at all before? Not with a friend and their dog. Yeah. Cause you'd think, oh, it's a good, good place to see dogs, even if you don't have a dog. But first of all, it also seems like kind of weird to go without a dog. Although I met some people who were there without a dog.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like the McDonald's Playland.

[Andrew]

Exactly, exactly. And sometimes I like to go in there and just jump right into the ball pit. But, you know, I think I've always had sort of a. I don't think I realized this until recently, but, like, I think I've always had this weird little bad feeling about dog parks because I'd never been to one. And there was one in Los Angeles somewhere. I feel like sneaking out towards the east side somewhere.

[Luke Burbank]

Silver Lake Reservoir one.

[Andrew]

No, because I feel like there was no water. That's what I noticed. I remember there was always this light at this weird intersection.

[Luke Burbank]

Eagle Rock or something.

[Andrew]

It might have been like. Yeah, something maybe. And I remember it just looked like this sun baked, treeless, just. It just looked like so. It looked like a desert. And I don't know why Los Angeles would look like a desert, but you

[Luke Burbank]

know what I mean?

[Andrew]

It just seemed so unforgiving. You know what I mean? It did not look like a fun place to be. But a neighbor of ours. Did I tell you that Lucy has a best friend named Edna May who's a basset hound that lives a few doors down?

[Luke Burbank]

I know they were best friends. I just knew that there was a basset hound.

[Andrew]

Yeah, they get together and they romp and. And so her owner, Suzanne, told Genevieve about some dog park. And Genevieve went and came back and said it was really great and she wanted to take me there. And so she did. We left Lucy at home, but she took me and I just ran free. And it was so nice. Someday. Last week, I think it was midweek last week, me, Genevieve and Lucy went to North Acres. Now, are you familiar with North Acres? You're nodding. Well, you're nodding and shaking your head.

[Luke Burbank]

Soccer practice for many years. Really?

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

North Coast Park. Yeah, there's a little soccer field there, but there's also part of it that's wooded.

[Andrew]

Uh huh. Baseball field there and a soccer field. And do you happen to know if they had this sort of fenced in off leash dog park area?

[Luke Burbank]

They did not back in those days.

[Andrew]

Well I think they took the wooded area that you just described and turned that into the dog park. And Luke, it was amazing because of exactly that tree cover. Like what a difference it makes. And it was before this really bad heat wave that you alluded to a moment ago. Yesterday and today are shaping up to be pretty brutal. But even still it's summertime and we go there and I'm kind of expecting again just kind of a dog park that's kind of a the worst. I'm picturing it to be like the worst part of a human park sort of that they just sort of sequester off and let the dogs romp or whatever. But it's actually the nicest part of the park. You walk in there's like kind of a double gate kind of situation. I'm guessing that's standard for dog parks. I don't know how much of this is just normal, but the double gate situation kind of like you're getting on and off of a spaceship in space is how I like to think about it. And then once you go in there's like this little communal area and like kind of a water, not a water feature in the middle but kind of a big water pump in the middle that you can just like fill up this metal bowl of water that all the dogs can use and everybody's off leash in there. And I'm immediately just like playing with other people's dogs. Lucy. I'm so impressed with Lucy's ability to sort of read other dogs energy. I don't know if all dogs do this and then match that energy. Like she always comes in a little bit shy, tail between her legs a little bit until she sort of figures out the dog's energy level and then sort of matches that. And I've seen her be very sweet with dogs that don't want to play rough. And then I've seen her rumble, tumble with the dogs who do want to play rough. But seeing all of the people in there, like I met so many people, I petted so many dogs. Beautiful dogs, Luke. Big dogs, little dogs. I mean I swear my heart overfloweth that afternoon with dog love. But then also this woman comes in, I'm going to put her mid-30s, okay. And she's got this little boy in tow and he is with three or four Genevieve estimated And I trust Genevieve's estimation of ages better than I do myself. And they come in, and I do kinda notice that they don't have a dog. And they're. And the boy starts playing with some other dog, and then they kinda. I don't know, whatever. It's just like everybody's sort of wandering around and talking, and they kind of meander over our way. We ran into somebody we know from the Eagles there with his dog, and so it's just very nice. It immediately just feels like community. But this mom and her boy kind of come over, and the boy starts playing with Lucy, and. And then suddenly, like, this boy, this little French boy, the mom spoke. You could tell that she. The little boy was. You know, he was three or four, so he didn't speak that much anyway. But he spoke both English and French, as did the mom, who spoke English with a French accent. And the little boy just starts just playing with Lucy. And he's got a ball, or we give him, like, an old tennis ball or something, and they're throwing it around, but he's like, bonding. It is like a. It is like an idyllic TV show of a little boy and his dog. It happened to be my dog. And he's like, lucy, it's over here. And he's kind of like. He's pointing in this just unbelievably cute way. And so we're talking to the mom. I'm like, do you guys just come here to play with the dog? She's like, no, this is the first time we did it. We kind of live in the neighborhood, and we were over there, and he saw the dogs, and he wants a dog so bad, but we can't have a dog because we go back to France for a month every summer or something like that. So this is the first time we've done this, but I think we might do it more. But it was funny, once he became friends with Lucy, he didn't. He's kind of stopped playing with all of the other dogs and seeing this little boy play with Lucy. And again, I gotta be honest with you, when I see Lucy go up to a little child like that, I'm a little bit like, oh, how's this gonna go? Because you gotta remember, part of my dog shit, part of my dog baggage, is that I was really afraid of dogs growing up. Not, like, indifferent, but I grew up being very afraid of dogs.

[Luke Burbank]

Up until you get kind of cornered by a kind of an aggressive dog at one point, when you were young or you went into A house or

[Andrew]

something where I don't think the dog

[Luke Burbank]

had you locked in a room.

[Andrew]

Yes, I mean, but it was a tiny little dog about the size of your foot that had me.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, if that was a rat and it tried to bite you, it would be terrifying. I don't buy this. If it's a tiny dog, it's not scary.

[Andrew]

But I was a little kid and I'm sure the dogs were just trying to play and they could probably read my. I remember my parents would always say they could tell when you're scared. I'm like, well, what do you want me to do about that? Like, what do you want me to do about that? It's like telling somebody not to panic. So I remember going to like some great aunt's house or something because I'd never been there before. And yeah, these, I'm at the end of this hallway and this dog, dog or dogs. But like little tiny, yippee. Dogs are just like, yip, yup, yup, bar. And I'm just like terrified with my back against the door. And this carried through, I think, into young adulthood. I just wasn't around dogs that much, so it didn't become an issue. But then somebody asked me to house sit for them when I was in college, my good friend Nancy. And I was like, yeah, I'll house sit. And I'd forgotten that she had a dog. I know it sounds crazy, but I was like, I thought she just wanted somebody to water her plants or whatever and I would get out of my shitty little studio apartment for a week or something. And she's like, yeah, this is, I don't know, Ranger, I don't know what the dog's name was. And I was like, oh, there's a dog here. And I don't think I told her, well, you know, I'm kind of scared of dogs. I have no experience with dogs. And that experience ended with day one of me going over there. Within an hour I had to call her elderly dad to come over and save me from her dog, who I thought was like not digging me. But now that I know dogs a little bit, I really realize the dog was playing. The dog was going down on like two, you know, like kind of the play bow and barking its head off at me. But I just thought it was Cujo trying to kill me. And her dad, when I called, called him over, he was like, because, I don't know, he lived like 15 minutes away. He was, don't do that, Luke. I'm terrified right now. I remember him Being like, kind of laughing at me. He's like, dude, you're. You're house sitting in this dog. This dog just wants to play. But I just. So there's still something in me that like. Like a bark. Like me getting used to a bark just being any kind of a communication. Not a I want to kill you kind of thing. So when I. All of this comes back to I am. This has been a learning experience for me, watching Lucy play with other dogs, trying to figure out when it's too aggressive, when it's not reading her and everything like that. And now here's this little boy who's like, you know, putting snacks in his hand and right up to her nose and everything in the back of my head, I'm like, oh, I hope he doesn't pull back a stump, you know, yet. It's my dog. You know what I mean? And I do trust Lucy, but. But it also made me feel. I mean, I guess, you know, I don't. Proud seems like the wrong word here, but it again, made me feel very good to see that Lucy is so good with kids. She's just kind of like. Again, kind of like, can kind of read the room and know what the energy is with this boy. And she was so absolutely sweet with him. And the reason, dude, this little half

[Luke Burbank]

French boy choosing Lucy as the dog he liked the most in dog park, that's huge. Props to you and Veeves.

[Andrew]

Well, Veevs, let's give it to Veeves. I don't know that I can do a lot of credit for Lucy's personality.

[Luke Burbank]

I would be walking tall for, like 10 days off of that.

[Andrew]

It was just. I mean, it was like, again, it was like a children's book watching this boy and the boy's little postures. I mean, he was just so unbelievably cute, too. And the way he was talking to her. At a certain point, his mom and me and Genevieve stopped being part of the equation for him and Lucy. He just had an ongoing conversation with Lucy, and he was getting frustrated with her at times. Like, it's over here, Lucy. And part of me is like, if I ever had to give up Lucy, there's only one person who could take Lucy and it would be this little boy.

[Luke Burbank]

The reason ever break into French, talking

[Andrew]

to the mom, not talking to the dog, because if she was a little bit. And again. And I think that she was just such a good parent, too, because she doesn't know me and Genevieve, but she just trusted. She even said at one point she's like, yeah, no, I mean, he seems to be getting along well with the dogs. And, you know, if anything happens, I guess he'll learn. I guess he'll learn. You know what I mean? And I do think that it's not that she didn't care for her boy or love her boy, but I actually think it's that kind of parenting that allows you to raise a kid who isn't terrified of a tiny little dog that will chase you into a bathroom. You know what I mean? Like, I think she was doing it absolutely right just for that kid to

[Luke Burbank]

be able to move between English and French. And he doesn't even know. That kid doesn't even remember learning French.

[Andrew]

Yeah, he doesn't know. He has a superpower.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, I mean, I don't have to tell our listeners this, but if you speak a language other than English and you have kids, please, I beg you, only speak that language at home so that your kid can just one day just emerge bilingual and not even remember when they learned it. Yeah, there's not enough duolingo in the world to get me proficient in any language outside of this.

[Andrew]

The reason I brought this up the other day. Well, first of all, it's just been going through my head a lot, like just how absolutely wonderful that experience was, but also how I was thinking, I still don't know that I would go to this, even this dog park where now I've met some people. And it's like for me, sometimes a lot of my anxiety is not being able to picture where I'm going, what the situation is going to be when I get there. Even knowing that now, I still don't think I'm comfortable enough in the dog sphere to go there myself and do like an off leash thing with Lucy and other dogs. Because again, I just don't trust myself that I'm, that I'm, I'm. I don't know enough of an alpha. Alpha character in this situation.

[Luke Burbank]

Isn't that what you. What you were doing in the.

[Andrew]

Oh, I'm sorry. Without Genevieve, I don't think I would have. Did I say with Genevieve? I'm sorry, I would not have.

[Luke Burbank]

I think you said by yourself, but I guess I had forgotten the Genevieve.

[Andrew]

Yeah. So like, Genevieve was there, there. And also talking to little kids. With Genevieve there is different than if I was just there by myself. Especially if I was just there by myself without a dog. Just trying to pet other people's dogs

[Luke Burbank]

and pet other van kids.

[Andrew]

Right, Exactly. But no, from the dog perspective, I still worry That I would maybe bring a little bit more anxiety and not know what boundaries and stuff are. But it was great to meet all these people, and you just easily fall into conversation with other people. It was a really diverse group of people there, too. People just kind of coming and going, and it was all very nice. And the reason I think, brought this up in passing the other day was you were mentioning something about sort of seeing somebody who just from first glance or outward appearances, seem to maybe not share your worldview on things. And in this day and age.

[Luke Burbank]

It was a guy wearing a T shirt that said, like, I kneel for the cross or I kneel for the flag and I stand for the cross or something.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Or vice versa. That I believe. I think those folks don't want to kneel for the flag. Right. Or maybe you said it right.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I said it wrong. They stand for the flag.

[Andrew]

They stand for the flag.

[Luke Burbank]

One of these.

[Andrew]

They both seem respectful. That's the pro. The reason, Luke, the reason you cannot remember it is because it was still. It was a. It was a. It was a very respectful protest. That's why you can't remember it.

[Genevieve]

Oh, God.

[Andrew]

The fact that I'm reliving.

[Luke Burbank]

There's a lot of people that would say kneeling is one of the highest forms of honor that you could bestow upon an event. And you're exactly right. This is why my brain cannot remember what the transgression was.

[Andrew]

Because it's. Because it's a transgression. Ridiculous.

[Luke Burbank]

Computer complete. Anyway. Anyway, this guy had a T shirt on that made me think he's not gonna be my speed. But then he was the only per. He jumped up to take the picture of us, and he was actually quite nice and lovely, and I was trying to make sense of all of that.

[Andrew]

And so I was just thinking about this one guy who I saw at the dog park the other day. And by the way, I'm really risking not having any kind of a power out on this thing. But like I said, for the most part, conversation with the other people, the other dog owners is just very seamless and easy. And you can say hello. And people love talking about their dogs. I love petting other people's dogs. But there was just like kind of character there who seemed like kind of a bit of a. An outsider, at least as far as, like, all the people I was talking to and everything. He kept to himself. He had two dogs, and they were the kind of dogs who, you know, I don't know, breeds very well. So I'll describe them as scary. You know, they're the kind. And by the way, they were well behaved. But they were the kind of dogs where if you were on a jog, Luke, and one of these dogs came up to you and there was nobody around. And one of them had a muzzle on as well. But they were like big. They were big, big, thick, bulldogy bulldogs. And one of them had a muzzle on the dogs, by the way. And they also have the very thick. You know, we have. We keep Lucy on a harness at most times because it's easy to kind of connect the leash to and everything. But I noticed that some of these folks had like, kind of big, almost like tactical harnesses that have the dog's name on the side of it, which is probably pretty good, right? To have like, let the world know what the dog's name is. And both of these guys. Dogs had these, like.

[Luke Burbank]

I like to know the name of the dog that's ripping my.

[Andrew]

It's the last word you'll ever see. Right? But I mean, listen, the fact that one of them did. And I. I want to say both of these dogs were just as well behaved as all the other dogs. They created no problems. The one had the muzzle, and that's actually a sign of responsibility by this guy as well. But the guy had this. He just like. He would have been kind of central casting for like a. I'm just speaking in stereotypes here. I have no idea what this background is, what his background is, but like, he looked like a. A guy who might have done some time with the military and it didn't end well and is now in the States dealing with a lot of things. I'm totally making all this up, but he just looked like that and, you know, kind of keeping to himself kind of.

[Luke Burbank]

You might catch him at a karaoke bar by himself singing Stained after a few too many drinks.

[Andrew]

I don't see him singing karaoke. I see him kind of glowering at the end of the bar. He's at the bar. He's got his two dogs around him, but everybody's a little bit leery to talk to him, except for maybe one guy who also served, sort of. He just kind of had that. And he kind of very brooding looking, very. His face. He never. And a couple of times I even tried.

[Luke Burbank]

And he was the guy with the big kind of skin, and he had

[Andrew]

the two dogs, one of which was. One of which was mine. But he just sort of. I noticed him and he totally kept to himself. Everybody else sort of naturally said at least a quick hello, other people you find yourself in a conversation with. And he just had all of the. As Gary Larson once put in a cartoon, he just had all of the outward signs of how nature says, do not touch, right down to the dogs. Right. But I was sort of looking at him and I was like, I'm somebody who also prefers to be alone most of the time. And if I was at the dog park by myself, I don't know how much chatting I would do. So I never like to judge.

[Luke Burbank]

Are you still wearing the muzzle?

[Andrew]

Am I? Yeah, I took it off for the show. Do you regret that?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, no, I just want to make sure you're still doing it at the dog park because of the incidents.

[Genevieve]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

You just show up muzzled at the dog park? No dog muzzled. Just standing in a corner.

[Andrew]

You're head to toe leather with a muzzle. But anyway, I am totally fine with him and his dogs wanting to have their own space. And so I didn't want to do anything. Like, it's super outgoing. But a couple of times I tried to catch his eye and kind of nod in this way of just like, hey, if you want to mingle with us, like, we can mingle with you and your dogs as well. Your dogs seem totally well behaved. And I was just sort of thinking about that because I just saw this guy, and in a brief instant, I felt like I could really kind of sum up that he was very different than the rest of us in a lot of ways. And like I say, I think a lot of people there were a lot of different. Like, it was actually kind of for this kind of little north Seattle dog park randomly on a Thursday. It just. It was kind of interesting to see a pretty broad cross section of people kind of coming and going, which is cool. But there was just something about this guy that I was kind of like, I just. If there was a way for me to let him know that if he wants to kind of mingle over here, he doesn't have to feel like an outcast. And maybe he doesn't feel like an outcast. He was probably just thinking about his day trading. I have no idea what that guy's life is like, you know what I mean? But there's just something about seeing him there that I kind of want. This sounds really corny, but maybe I just kind of want him to feel like we. We were there if he wanted to be with people.

[Luke Burbank]

Dude, I think that's so awesome because, like, you're a person. I've watched you in the world. I've Been to, I was going to say many countries, but basically two countries

[Andrew]

with me. Right. One of which. With me.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to say I've been to a lot of places with you, and I see how you are in the world and you're very thoughtful and you really want to stay out of people's way. But the fact that, and so as we talked about on the show yesterday, like you did, you did not tell the guy where the cold Rainier beer was because you didn't want to kind of like you just didn't want to get in his life if he didn't want you in his life. And the fact that you were at the dog park and you saw this guy, and even if it didn't, you know, happen to work or whatever, the fact that you were thinking about him as he fit in or did not fit into that context, I think that's really cool. And in this case, it probably didn't. You know, it didn't mean that he came over and hung out with you guys, but just like the idea that you were clocking him in that way, I think is actually really nice.

[Andrew]

Yeah. And I didn't have a, I didn't, like I said, I didn't have a great power out for him. That. But just to go back to the dog park writ large, that was actually. You know what, Luke, A little bit more context to this, too. Just about sometimes me navigating this life in increasingly old age and learning little life lessons. I've alluded a few times, and again, I'm not going to go into detail. I've alluded a few times to some really frustrating things that are going on in my life right now vis a vis this basement renovation. And some things that, that are mistakes are being made, mistakes that were so easily solved earlier on that are kind of cascading in ways that had me pretty upset. And Thursday was sort of the peak of that. And our contractor was here and I was just having some communication issues with him. And I was kind of at my peak of feeling the most frustrated, and I'll just say angry. And Veeves and I had had a frustrating conversation with him downstairs and then we came upstairs. And then unfortunately, I'm feeling just like a toxic cloud over my head. But talking to Veeves about this stuff because we need to talk about the practical matters of the basement or whatever. But also, I don't want Genevieve to think that sometimes when I'm going off on what I think are issues in the basement, even though I've Told her I don't want her to take it personally. She's sort of taking responsibility for it and feeling bad about how bad I'm feeling about some things here. So I'm trying to foam off some of my discontinued content and talk to her, but also not just bring poison into the room, into our conversation, if that can make sense. And so I'm sort of foaming that off, and Genevieve is kind of listening. And then this happens so rarely because both. I think Lucy's a relatively good dog and we keep a close eye on her. But Genevieve went into her sewing room and saw that Lucy. It was like, so far, the only time that we've gone in, and Lucy has totally destroyed something. And it was a piece of paper, but it was part of a pattern that Genevieve had gone somewhere specially to print and cut out and everything, and now her pattern was gone. Oh, I guess Lucy also got one of her earbuds the other day, so I guess we have two of those now. By the way, that was teamwork between two pets, because Genevieve's little earbud. What do you call the thing that they charge in the little charging container, she had done nothing wrong. They're both in the charging container up on the dining room table. I believe our cat Bingo did an assist and knocked those to the floor. Where they hit the floor, case opened, and then both earbuds came out. And we could only find one earbud until we eventually found the second one, which was in Lucy's mouth and beyond use at that point.

[Luke Burbank]

Now I feel bad that Veev's had her, you know, her device destroyed. But I do love the teamwork.

[Andrew]

That's what I'm saying, and I respect it.

[Luke Burbank]

The kind of Disney caper aspect to

[Andrew]

this, it could have only been better.

[Luke Burbank]

Bingo's got eyes on you and Veeves. As soon as you leave the room, eye contact with Lucy swipes the AirPods off the table.

[Andrew]

It is fun. I do think that they're becoming a little bit. A little bit more friends. And Bingo just wants to be around Lucy as much as possible. But it's just like Lucy's energy sometimes gets to be a little bit too much for it. And she's pretty big now, but it gets a bit too much for Bingo, I should say. But anyway, all that is to say I'm having this moment of feeling, like, just really, really bad. I'm just really bad. I'm just feeling really. I'm feeling angry and regretful, and I'm feeling stupid about decisions I've made. And I'm just feeling bad. And Genevieve was feeling not great either. And then she's like, oh, I never hear her yell at Lucy. And she goes, she got. You know, like, she just. She ruined this thing. Genevieve was trying to work on this project, and her pattern was all chewed up and eaten and everything. And that would have been such an easy night for when the contractor leave for me to go downstairs and play darts and Genevieve to lose herself in some Next Generation, Star Trek or whatever. But she had mentioned earlier, I think I picked her up from work that day, she had mentioned earlier wanting to show me this dog park maybe this afternoon. And I said, and in this moment of feeling so toxic and just feeling toxicity, and again, not towards each other at all, I promise you that wasn't part of it. But I said, genevieve, I think we need to get out of here. Do you want to go to that dog park? Let's just. Let's just, you know, remember how I told you I was watching those videos about dogs, and then one of the first things I learned about a dog is when they do that shaking thing, they're sort of like resetting. Like they had a stressful moment or something, and then they do that full body shake, and then they're ready to go. I was like, I think we need to kind of do that full body shake right now. Like, let's not let this be how the day ends. You know what I mean? Let's go to that dog park and let's do it. And it ended up being, like, obviously within moments of being there. I wasn't thinking about anything else but being there. And it ended up being. Honestly, I'm actually just now remembering that that was the same night, in fact, and that we made a conscious effort to get out from under the cloud that I was contributing to, you know, with my own. With my own noxious gas. So there's maybe a lesson there, too.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I hope that you get to the point where you feel comfortable taking Lucy solo, because from my experience back mostly when I had this dog named Flea, this boxer, and we lived down in, like, on Beacon Hill, going to the dog park is one of the great joys, I think, of dog ownership. And yes, there is a. A little bit of, you know, things can go sideways. Dogs can get weird with each other, dog owners can get weird with each other. But. But it was like, you know, particularly, we just. This dog that we had was so active. She was a boxer and just needed to run and run and run and run. And there was something about Just being there, letting her get her yayas out, you know, chatting with other people. It became kind of like an afternoon tradition. It's really nice.

[Andrew]

Did you go almost every day, like, ever?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, pretty much. Because otherwise this door dog would be.

[Andrew]

Because you didn't have a backyard or anything.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, Lucy's got a backyard, but she wouldn't just, like. The problem was we had actually an okay yard, but it was like she would just. She would just. She wouldn't, like, run the way she would run at the dog. There's something about other dogs that engaged her in this way where she'd get all of her energy out. But, yeah, it's a. It's a really fun. Really kind of like grounding, like you said. Reset, little full body shake. So.

[Andrew]

Yeah, and especially. And for the humans, too. And again, like, seeing that little boy. We gotta. We gotta go back. Maybe, you know, tomorrow will be Thursday again. I think it was Thursday that we went. So maybe we can. Can go back and see if. See if our little. If our new French family is there waiting for us.

[Luke Burbank]

Little Lord Fauntleroy.

[Andrew]

Yes. Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man, it's not from a female.

[Luke Burbank]

Remember how I started the show, Andrew? By saying, it's gonna be really noisy. There's gonna be a lot of, like, weed whacking and stuff going on. Sort of stopped, and I don't really know what's going on. Everybody's on their phone phones. There's been no weed whacking since the show started, which is good for the audio of this show, since my voice is so fried. Bad for the weeds getting whacked.

[Andrew]

Maybe they're enjoying the podcast. Well, I guess they can't hear my side of it. And I got to say, I'm doing most of the blab.

[Luke Burbank]

We're going hourly on this.

[Andrew]

Huh?

[Luke Burbank]

So this was a person who was working on my neighbor's yard and doing a great job. And I asked them, hey, could I get the phone number of the. Those folks? And so I asked, hey, how much would it be to have these certain areas weed whacked, which are like. Like the grass is so tall and kind of unruly that it would take me. It would take me, like, a long time to do it. I said, how much for this job? He said, well, usually we just do it by the hour. And I was like, okay, cool. How much is it by the hour? He told me, the prices. That sounds fair. So we agreed to that. But I don't know if this. I don't. I guess we'll just see when it's done. How many hours.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it's been. I mean, it could be an official break as we're recording. Recording this. It's about 11 in the morning. Maybe they're not clocking this time. Maybe they're taking some time to. Does anybody got a. Anybody got a sandwich? Anybody have a bologna sandwich out there? That's how you can tell if it's official break time.

[Luke Burbank]

No. No bologna sandwiches that I'm seeing. But I did offer, because I am an ally. I was like, hey, if anybody needs to use the restroom, please, the house is here. If anybody needs water, if anybody needs a bologna sandwich, Anybody needs a bo.

[Andrew]

I'll go out, I'll buy some bologna. I do have some voicemails here I can play for you. Oh, I wanted to give a follow up. Yesterday around this time, we did a what's in the Box segment. And we got that big box of snacks from listener Maggie. Tons of original flavored goldfish. And I mentioned just Fruit Newtons. Yes, all Fig Newtons. And they were like, it was a big box of individually packed Fig Newton Newtons. And I had mentioned on the show, I'm like, oh, these are the perfect kinds of things for people to like, kind of throw in their bags or whatever. For like on the go for my volunteer thing, if people need some extra nutrients or whatever, I'll take this to my. To my volunteer gig and give them away. Like, some of them. I was going to eat some of them. My God, did I eat so many Fig Newtons last night?

[Genevieve]

I was.

[Andrew]

I know I use this reference a lot, but I was like the little kid with the stomach ache at the bottom of the long slide in the Chutes and Ladders game. I was just like. In fact, I had that moment this morning where I was, we don't have a lot of food in the house right now. And I remember thinking, like, I'm sure I ate something before I went to bed last night. What did I eat? Why can't I remember eating anything? And then I opened up the garbage can and I saw like a bunch of Fig Newton wrappers. So, Maggie, thank you again for that. They did go to a good home. My belly. All right, so I have a voicemail here that I listened to on my phone the other day, and then I sent it to my computer, and I'm not sure how good the sound quality is. So I'm hoping this is okay. It's only About a minute long. This is from listener Rich. If the sound quality is really rough, we can abort, but let's give this a shot.

[Genevieve]

Hey, Luke and Andrew, it's listener Rich from Westchester, Pennsylvania. I was just listening to the episode where you're talking about good old Kenny Loggins, and I will have you know, a good friend of mine asked online a long time ago what it would cost to have Kenny Loggins play in his living room. And Kenny Loggins jokingly responded, 30 grand. And so, one of the more famous and coolest Kickstarter that ever happened, Eric managed to do a Kickstarter to go and sit in his living room and raise the $30,000. And he streamed it on. On Zoom. And if you paid your money at a certain level, you could go see Kenny Loggins in his living room, and at a lower level, you could watch it online. And Kenny Loggins literally went and played in Eric's living room. It was Kenny Loggins and a couple other people, and it was absolutely fantastic. So Kenny Loggins, in addition to being an absolutely amazing recording artist, was also just kind of good. Dude played along with a bit, even so far as to play a friend of mine's living room. So, yeah, that's a cool story. Power out.

[Andrew]

Now, first of all, I kind of vaguely remember this story. Do you remember this story? I feel like I just remember reading about it. Could this have been one? I feel like it was an Internet

[Luke Burbank]

thing that I was aware of. I didn't know it was our listener's friend.

[Andrew]

No. And that is cool. It's a good story. Do you think, Kenny? I would be. I would be both surprised and a little. Can you be chagrined on somebody else's behalf if Kenny Loggins took or kept the $30,000? Now, I know that people who donate to.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I bet he absolutely kept it.

[Andrew]

You think he just kept it? Huh? He's like, okay, you did all of this. You'd think that with all the Internet attention, everything, he would say, oh, okay, this was a fun bit. And now I'm Kenny Loggins. I've feathered my nest. Like, I'm going to donate this $30,000 to, I don't know, Dog Parks USA or something like that.

[Luke Burbank]

That's interesting. I mean, I assume that. That Kenny Loggins gets paid. Well, he. I would assume he gets paid more than 30,000. Maybe he was, you know, when he shows up to play, like, he played Chateau San Michel.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Do you think he would get more than 30,000 for that?

[Andrew]

Probably, yeah. But I would just hope that for something that is so grassrootsy like this, that is kind of starts as an Internet joke and then he does it and he knows he's literally taking it. I mean, I guess you're right. Maybe it's like it's no different than ticket sales, I guess, but for a lot of that fundraising was probably people who just wanted to see it happen, people who are watching it streamed at, you know, on their computers or whatever. It's not quite the same thing as enjoying a nice Riesling while watching it on the Chateau lawn. I don't know, I would hope that he had donated some of that money to maybe a better cause.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm trying to find, find the Kenny Loggins house show playlist. I want to see what he did. Somebody post the playlist of when he. No, it's not going to let us do this. I was trying to figure out if he, if he published the songs he played at this guy's house because it would have had to be highway to the Danger Zone. You'd hope Footloose, Meet Me Halfway across the Sky. Right? Is that him?

[Andrew]

I don't know that song I'm singing.

[Luke Burbank]

Not the day for me to try to sing, but no.

[Andrew]

By the way, this was 2015, so you and I would have. This wasn't heyday of working at Cairo together. I would have been in la, I think, at this point. But it's around that time happened in Virginia.

[Luke Burbank]

So we've got. These are the. His chart topping solo hits, Footloose, Danger Zone, I'm All Right from Cash.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Don't Nobody Worry About Me and Meet Me halfway from the 1987 film over the Top. So what I'm realizing realizing is. And again, I don't mean this to sound like I'm. I mean he was Loggins in Messina as well, so he, you know, Kenny Loggins had a. Has had a long and extremely, you know, decorated and prolific career. So I'm not trying to like roast him at all, but there really was a period of time where he couldn't miss, but only if he was writing a song for a movie related to

[Andrew]

a movie in some way.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, Footloose from the movie Danger Zone from Top Gun. I'm All Right from Caddyshack and Meet Me Halfway from Over the Top, which, by the way, is the Sylvester Stallone arm wrestling.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it's like a switch. It's like a switch. He turns his hat backwards. I'm looking more than.

[Luke Burbank]

When Camaro Kev does that, by the way, when he turns his hat backwards.

[Andrew]

It says.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like a switch.

[Andrew]

Does he say that? I don't know if I.

[Luke Burbank]

He has. He has done that. He has done that. By the way, his sob was. Is from 2001.

[Andrew]

Oh, I was wondering about that. Yeah. You had asked. Only 24. Only 25 years old, actually. Yeah, I'm looking. I'm. I'm seeing a lot of articles about. About this, and I'm not seeing anything about donating or anything. I just think. Don't you think that would have earned Kenny Loggins so much more goodwill than just like. Yes, thank you. My favorite part was when you gave

[Luke Burbank]

me my money being like, here's my writer.

[Andrew]

Right. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

This is what we need backstage, and this is what it costs.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

To have me there. I guess you're right. That's. I mean, and I guess I don't know anybody else's finances, but. Yeah, assuming Kenny Loggins has done pretty well.

[Andrew]

I mean, those hits that you're talking about, and then, you know, residuals on that stuff.

[Genevieve]

Exactly.

[Andrew]

Licen and commercials and all that. But we know.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, I've heard the ads. We know that he's been playing the casino scene, too, you know. Wait.

[Andrew]

Oh, that's. See what happened there. You still got the doogie going in the background. Anyway, thanks for reminding us of that story and Kenny Loggins. Come on, donate to something right now. I want to see. Maybe telethon the tv. You know what, Luke? I like the way you think.

[Luke Burbank]

July 13th through 17th from Valley City, Ohio.

[Andrew]

That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

It is part of the Valley City Frog Jump Festival. We will be there all week, broadcasting from Andrew's actual elementary school.

[Andrew]

And can I mention.

[Luke Burbank]

So.

[Andrew]

And we're being. You know, we're participating in this Valley City Frog Jump, and John has been our business boy. John has been joining us on the show on Fridays to give us updates on. Listeners have been suggesting names for the frog that we end up adopting. And I think he has some. Some more. Some more naming opportunities he's gonna share with us this Friday. But also, we're gonna have a listener on the show Friday who is somebody who volunteers with a. I'm gonna call it a frog organization. Luke. That is. I think there's a better word.

[Luke Burbank]

Frog Watch.

[Andrew]

It's Frog Watch usa. Right. Who. They study frogs for the frog's benefit,

[Luke Burbank]

and so they watch them in America.

[Andrew]

How did you put that all together?

[Luke Burbank]

It's right there in the name.

[Andrew]

It's actually mostly Swedish frogs, I believe, that they watch, but the listener is Simeon. And Simeon wants some more information about kind of like the frogs that are in Valley City and what we can learn about the frogs and stuff. So we're going to have Simeon on the show on Friday to kind of walk us through some of these, these, these froggy questions.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, exactly. So I'm looking forward to it. Everybody. If you have ideas for the frog's name, send them in to Andrew or John or me.

[Andrew]

Yeah, John. JohnBtl.net JohnBT.net John. Not me.

[Luke Burbank]

And yeah, look forward to hearing listener Simeon on Friday.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it's going to be a of lot of fun. A lot of fun.

[Genevieve]

All right.

[Luke Burbank]

I think that's going to do it for today. I've still yet to share my subway takes with you.

[Andrew]

Oh, do you? I'm sorry. I can kill this music right now.

[Luke Burbank]

It'll give us something. It'll give all of us something to look forward to. Until tomorrow.

[Andrew]

I got the impression that maybe you wanted to relax your vocal cords a little bit cuz you have more broadcasting to do today too.

[Luke Burbank]

I have a little more CBS stuff to do, so. Yeah, I should probably try. I should save these golden pipes. But tomorrow my subway hot takes will and I don't know how you're going to feel about these. There's a reason I didn't actually specify them in the show sheet because I wanted them to be new to you. And also I want to get your reaction. I'm curious how you will feel about my hot take.

[Andrew]

I'm a big fan of that, by the way. My subway take is withhold as much as you comfortably can from your co hosts. Like when I put together a show sheet for after these messages with Genevieve, I ask her, I'm like, don't even look at what the show sheet is. I want to tell you on the show what the topic is this week. Like, I, I don't know why. It's not a big reveal. It's not gotcha. It's not pranky. I, I just like, I like it. It's more real that way. So thank you.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it's nice to. Yeah, you will. We will be hearing Andrew's reactions in real time tomorrow when we join together again to bring you more TBTL in the meantime. That'll do it for today's show. Thank you so much for being part of this. We'll be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio. In the meantime, have a great Wednesday. Go Mariners. Go Cole Young. And please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew]

And good luck to all.

[Genevieve]

Power out.

[Andrew]

Okay, I forgot to mute you that time, but I can edit it out.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, shoot. Sorry.