#4776 Zero Dark Mommy

Summary

TBTL #4776: "Zero Dark Mommy" – July 22, 2026

Episode Overview

In this spirited and sprawling episode, hosts Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh catch up after a stretch of travel, launching into their signature blend of banter, nostalgia, and analysis of current events (with plenty of digressions). They tackle everything from household clutter philosophy and dental anxiety to a heated breakdown of the political discourse around the new film “The Odyssey,” before venturing into pop culture, listener emails, and an impromptu ranking of famous Daves. The episode delivers peak TBTL: energetic, loosely structured, full of laughs, and peppered with memorable one-liners.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Art & Utility of Keeping Household Clutter [05:13–09:15]

• Andrew’s Dad and the Salad Spinner: Andrew shares how his father’s minimalist tendencies almost led to the disposal of a long-unused salad spinner—only for it to "save the day" during a recent lettuce-related disease outbreak.

  • “We just never used it … Then, headlines all over the place: Poop disease strikes Midwest. Lettuce! … Thank God we still had that salad spinner in the basement … look what came running to the rescue at the last minute to save us all from diarrhea: the salad spinner.” — Andrew Walsh [08:44]

• Clutter & Sentimentality: This story segues into a conversation about the fine line between getting rid of things and realizing their unexpected utility years later.

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2. The Saga of the Pen (and Pens in General) [09:38–16:20]

• Lost Pen at the Airbnb: Luke recounts forgetting a hotel pen, and Andrew explains why he didn’t hang onto or return it—he simply doesn’t use ballpoint pens, preferring his beloved Uniball.

  • “The simple answer is, I don’t use ballpoint pens, even nice ballpoint pens … I have this very specific, tiny-pointed, wet Uni … I’ve been using them for 40–50 years.” — Andrew Walsh [14:43]

• Pen Gifting Philosophy: Andrew gives the found pen to his dad rather than keep it: “I just thought, oh, this might spark a little joy as I’m standing in the kitchen next to my folks' pen holders.” [15:44]

• Luke’s “Mood Pen Energy”: Andrew teases Luke’s tendency to stick chewed gum to papers, sparking a comic exchange.

  • “There’s an 85% chance it also has a piece of balled-up chewed gum in the corner.” — Andrew [16:47]

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3. Medical and Dental Avoidance & The Price of Crowns [18:08–22:53]

• Luke’s Reluctance to Disclose Tooth Pain: “Am I going to be honest with the dentist about a small amount of tooth pain … ? I feel like if they know then they’re gonna tell me I need the crown and then they’re gonna force me or something.” [21:50]

• The High Cost of Dental Work: Both lament the cost, with Luke referencing Becca's $900 crown after 80% insurance coverage.

  • “Even the Windsors don’t pay that much for a crown.” — Andrew [22:40], sparking a royal-themed riff.

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4. COBRA and Health Insurance (with Royal Family Tangent) [22:53–27:01]

• Explanation of COBRA: Andrew breaks down how COBRA lets you extend your employer health coverage temporarily after job loss and how the ACA has shifted the landscape.
• Royal Family Jokes: The discussion spins into musings on whether Prince Andrew is still on the Windsor “health plan,” with additional references to familial cell phone plans and a joking comparison to the Affordable Care Act.

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5. Culture War Over “The Odyssey” Movie [35:49–46:08]

• Controversy & Casting: Andrew questions why there’s a culture war around the movie. Luke clarifies it’s about “woke” casting—specifically, multiculturalism and the inclusion of Elliot Page and Lupita Nyong’o.

  • “They think the multicultural casting is too woke … It’s a Homeric myth!” — Luke [37:23]
  • “It is a very, very strange movie for there to be any sort of political valence … it’s from a million years ago!” — Luke [45:40]

• Right-Wing “Ticket Buying” Conspiracies: Andrew notes the rise of claims that liberals are “artificially” inflating box office numbers for culture-war reasons. Luke and Andrew both emphasize the absurdity.

  • “There are many reports of people showing up and there was only two seats left, but then they were the only people in the theater … because the left wants this to be a success.” — Andrew [45:14]

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6. Scary Movie Trailer at the Wrong Movie [46:24–51:49]

• “Other Mommy” Trailer:

  • Luke describes and plays audio from a disturbing trailer for the horror film “Other Mommy,” starring Jessica Chastain, which is being shown before “The Odyssey” to the surprise and discomfort of audiences.
  • “Somehow other mommy ... pretty, pretty scary. ... People are saying, hey, I came to see the Odyssey and this trailer is too scary.” — Luke [50:57]

• On Movie Trailer Logic: Andrew and Luke riff about trailer “genre-matching” and how mismatched previews signal “what kind of audience” the cinema expects.

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7. Pop Culture and Elite Backgrounds [51:49–58:04]

• Emma Stone’s Wealth & Talent: Luke admits he “can’t shake” the knowledge of Stone’s wealthy background despite her acting talent.

  • “It does bother me … which it shouldn’t, but that’s how big of a chip I have on my shoulder about that stuff.” — Luke [53:51]

• School Backgrounds & Identity: The hosts compare high school campuses and how elite schools may (or may not) shape personality—Andrew shares how going to a fancy Jesuit school didn’t make him a snob, while teasing Genevieve for frequently mentioning Wellesley post-grad.

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8. Listener Emails: Childhood Movie Memories & The Best Daves [66:52–71:42]

• Best Little Whorehouse in Texas: Listener Megan recalls watching the film unsupervised as a “feral Gen X child,” sparking host nostalgia for cable’s weird film curation in the '80s.

  • “Texas has a whorehouse in it, Lord have mercy on our soul…” — Listener Megan [67:34]

• Ranking the Daves: Listener Max submits his “Top Five Daves,” prompting a tangent that includes Dave Matthews, Dave Bautista, Dave Coulier, Dave Grohl, Dave Thomas, and “Dave Bowie.”

  • “Is David Bowie allowed on the list even though he wouldn’t have been David Bowie if he was Dave Bowie?” — [71:04]
  • Origin of David Bowie's name: “He was Davy Jones, but there was already a Davy Jones as a Monkey. So he changed his name to David Bowie … after the knife.” — Andrew [71:17–71:42]

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9. Digression Heavy Finale: Josh Cribbs, Famous Kent State Alumni, and Biblical Daves [61:33–76:24]

• Josh Cribbs’ NFL Achievements: Luke marvels at missing “the second most NFL kick return touchdowns” guy, then learns Cribbs owns a kids' playplace in Strongsville, OH, with Darnell Dinkins [72:02–73:10].
• Biblical Daves: The guys jokingly rank “David of David and Goliath” as a top Dave, with a playful side discussion of the story’s lessons and relevance [75:59–76:54].

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10. Hip-Hop History & Outro [78:03–End]

• About “Toot It and Boot It” (YG): Luke and Andrew recall the evolution of West Coast hip-hop, discuss the song’s sampling and the significance of YG’s album “Still Brazy,” and tie it to main character energy for airport strolls.

  • “Nothing like listening to hip hop in your headphones in the airport to feel main character energy.” — Luke [83:28]

• Self-Review: The hosts reflect on the episode’s tangent-laden energy.

  • “I think it was a kind of entertaining show, honestly… I think people like it when we’re all over the map.” — Luke [82:01–82:07]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Thank God we still had that salad spinner in the basement … look what came running to the rescue at the last minute to save us all from diarrhea.” — Andrew Walsh [08:44]
• “There's an 85% chance it [a note from Luke] also has a piece of balled-up chewed gum in the corner.” — Andrew [16:47]
• “Even the Windsors don’t pay that much for a crown.” — Andrew, during dental expense discussion [22:40]
• “It is a very, very strange movie for it to have any sort of political valence because it’s from a million years ago and is a Homeric myth!” — Luke [45:40]
• “There are many reports of people showing up and there was only two seats left, but then they were the only people in the theater … because the left wants this to be a success.” — Andrew, mocking right-wing conspiracy theories [45:14]
• On “Other Mommy” trailer: “Somehow other mommy ... pretty, pretty scary. ... People are saying, hey, I came to see the Odyssey and this trailer is too scary.” — Luke [50:57]
• "It does bother me … which it shouldn’t, but that’s how big of a chip I have on my shoulder about that stuff." — Luke, on finding out Emma Stone grew up rich [53:51]
• “I think we did it. I think we named all the Davids that were ever born.” — Andrew [75:36]
• “Nothing like listening to hip hop in your headphones in the airport to feel main character energy.” — Luke [83:28]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Poop Jokes/Show Open: [00:00–03:23]
• Household Clutter/Salad Spinner Story: [05:13–09:15]
• Pen Conversation/Gum Habits: [09:38–17:50]
• Dental Anxiety & Cost Discussion: [18:08–22:53]
• COBRA/Royal Family Healthcare Tangent: [22:53–27:01]
• The Odyssey Movie Culture War/Casting: [35:49–46:08]
• Scary “Other Mommy” Movie Trailer: [46:24–51:49]
• Emma Stone’s Background & Class Anxiety: [51:49–58:04]
• Listener Megan’s Best Little Whorehouse Memories: [67:00–68:52]
• Top Five Daves Segment: [69:06–73:10]
• Josh Cribbs, Kent State, and More Daves: [61:33–76:24]
• Hip-Hop Outro/Still Brazy Discussion: [78:03–End]

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Final Thoughts

This episode exemplifies TBTL at its freewheeling, absurdist best. Ranging from cultural hot takes to deep dives into personal obsessions and random listener contributions, Luke and Andrew demonstrate why their show is both “too beautiful to live” and a joy for those who love conversational podcasts that go everywhere, often all at once.

Transcript

[Unknown Speaker A]

Three comebacks to win any argument. No Mercy edition. Number one. Hey, I heard you graduated top of your class at Poop University. Number two. Hey, congratulations. I heard about your new promotion to vp. Very poopy. Number three. Hey, congratulations.

[Andrew Walsh]

I heard.

[Unknown Speaker A]

I heard that there was an election and you just became mayor of Poop Town. It was people. People wrote because everybody wrote in your name. The incumbent mayor was a shoo in, or so they thought. Early polling showed that he was a favorite because he actually had done a lot for the city. City council really enjoyed working with him. His constituents were really happy with what he was doing when it came to cleaning up the parks and revitalizing the waterfront. And he lowered property taxes. He made it easier for small businesses to thrive through various industrial incentives. There was also a bunch of, like, small government loans that with very low interest. So it was actually. It was a good time to start a business. And the schools also improved under him. He did a really good job working with the school boards. But everybody wrote in your name. Cause you smell like poop.

[Andrew Walsh]

TBTL.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm a Grammy, Emmy, Tony and Webby

[Andrew Walsh]

Award winning and nominated songwriter, artist, designer, director, editor, animator, producer, collector, party thrower.

[Listener Megan]

I feel so full of. What's the opposite of shame?

[Unknown Speaker E]

Pride.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, not that far from shame. Less shame.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, well, there's. There's that fine line between, you know, showing emotion and being a hot dog. That's science. These are facts.

[Unknown Speaker A]

If you want to make money, better

[Andrew Walsh]

drop out right now.

[Luke Burbank]

Go to banking school or website school.

[Unknown Speaker E]

That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.

[Luke Burbank]

All right. Hello, good morning and welcome, everyone, to a Wednesday edition of TBT all the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

[Andrew Walsh]

Don't miss the sausage fest.

[Luke Burbank]

My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm a professional. Look it up in the book.

[Luke Burbank]

Coming to you from the Madrona Hills studio perched high above the mighty Columbia, where it is going to be warm today. It's going to touch a hundred.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm flying in hot for that hottie.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm all set up though.

[Max from Seattle]

Here.

[Luke Burbank]

I've got. I'm breaking out my first ice coffee of the season.

[Andrew Walsh]

This song goes out to all the

[Luke Burbank]

coffee lovers of the world. So I'm feeling real good here as we arrive at episode 4776 in a collector series.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let the fun begin.

[Luke Burbank]

A lot of people trying to beat the heat by going to see the Odyssey. Well, I don't know if it's a lot of people I don't know if, like, it's the beating out the, I don't know, like, Minecraft movie or something, but the people that I tend to like, watch on the Internet and read their reviews of things, the liberal cognoscenti, A lot of them seem to be interested in the movie the Odyssey. So who needs a movie? They're showing a very scary preview before the Odyssey, which we're going to talk about. Also, the Internet is, of course, been obsessed with Jimothy the raccoon lately. It's called the Internet, and it's a fresh new way to check out sites, buy clothing and surf music. But in Minnesota, they're saying, look, Minnesota building raccoon climbed so that Jimothy could run. Or something like that. I need to work on the construction of that little analogy. Anyway, speaking of animals. Hey, this guy's gonna join us. You've been living in the monkey house. He's the longest running cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning, Luke.

[Luke Burbank]

I just realized that that transition made it sound like I was calling you an animal. I didn't mean that. I said speaking of animals. It's just that the intro drop had monkey in it.

[Unknown Speaker A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I mean coming out of a

[Luke Burbank]

raccoon promo, but it sounded like I was like, yeah, speaking of unwashed, filthy animals.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, not all animals.

[Luke Burbank]

My friend Andrew Walsh is here.

[Andrew Walsh]

Not all animals are filthy and unwashed.

[Luke Burbank]

Listen, and it's. There might not be anybody I know who's more washed than you.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm too washed. In fact. Wait, rinse.

[Luke Burbank]

Washed.

[Andrew Walsh]

Rinsed. I was in the. This isn't. This isn't very interesting, but I feel like there's a lesson in this story.

[Luke Burbank]

It's more interesting than iced coffee.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, you're drinking your iced coffee. I. I feel like there might be a lesson this somewhere. My dad is very much like me in that he doesn't like to have clothes. He doesn't like to have extra things in the house that you don't need. Especially unit taskers, I would guess. And the difference between us is he's successful in keeping excess objects out of his house while I am not.

[Luke Burbank]

When you've said your piece, when you've spoken your truth, I actually want to circle back to something that you mentioned yesterday about this very thing that has been jangling around my head for the most part.

[Andrew Walsh]

I got in here, I got. I got his head Guys, it worked. Anyway, I hate you because you look different. Wow. Let's really move to the top of the list. Crashing out of things that you can grab very quickly. That drop. Wait, he's crashing out? Tom Brady's crashing out.

[Luke Burbank]

We can talk about that, too.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, Good. Knives. I really do have some questions about the Odyssey for you because I. I've got my tickets for this weekend, by the way, and I want to. I want to know why this movie is controversial. And also if you'll hold my hand during the previews. But we'll get to that in a little bit. But again, I'll tell the story quickly because I don't even know if it's a good story, and it's not my story. It's not my story to tell. But I was chatting with my dad casually at one point early in the week before. Maybe I even met up with you and John last week. And I don't know how we got on the subject, but maybe I haven't mentioned how tidy everything is in his house, which you would agree is incredibly tidy. Nothing is out of place.

[Luke Burbank]

You could eat off the floors.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I did, and you did. And then he got his Swiffer out. Anyway, he mentioned something. He kind of gestured towards one area of the kitchen, and he kind of said, yeah, you know, like, Joyce, that's my stepmom, had a salad spinner. And he's like, we just never used it. We got it. So I finally. I'm getting rid of it. I put it down in the basement, and I'm taking it to Goodwill later this week. I'm sorry I said a salad spinner. I meant a lettuce spinner. You know, the thing that dries lettuce after you wash it. Now, let me be honest with you.

[Luke Burbank]

Usually when a salad spinner.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, it is a salad. Okay. It is a spinner. Okay, sounds good. So it's a salad spinner. Lettuce spinner. I think you can use either. This is something that I do not have in my house. I think Genevieve had made noise about wanting one at one point, but I was just like, I don't. It's just such a unitasker. Right? And we are just overflow. Our. Our cupboards are just a goddamn mess, Luke. I have no room for anything. So we don't have one. And sometimes it is a pain because I. Bringing home lettuce that I want to eat right away, and I'm drying it in paper towels. A salad spinner would be useful, but I don't think it would pay off in the long run. Anyway, my dad mentions to me, yeah, we're going to get rid of the salad spinner. You know, just don't use it. It's down in the basement. What happens a day or two later, Headlines all over the place. Poop disease strikes Midwest. What is carrying it? Lettuce. We went over to our parents house. We went over to my parents house. I consider him. Don't get ahead of yourself, Burbank. You know what, I'm having my dad change his phone number so you don't have text numbers anymore.

[Luke Burbank]

Hey dad, Andrew's saying you're not my parent,

[Max from Seattle]

Bob.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I call him dad now.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, I call him Bob now. So anyway, the thing is, true story and he didn't even mention this. I don't know, I just picked up on it. But we came over there and of course we, you, me and John went over to my parents house midweek for a little pizza fest and they wanted to hang out and meet you guys a little bit. And they had dad and Joyce had made a salad for us, right? And of course the conversation quick turned to is this lettuce safe? And dad or Joyce had mentioned, oh yeah, we washed it, we washed it three times just to make sure.

[Luke Burbank]

I had two helpings of salad by the way.

[Andrew Walsh]

You did, you went back for it. You live on the edge. And yeah, it was good. But anyway. But I heard of him say, yeah, thank God we still had that salad spinner in the basement because we could spin out the salad. And I sort of thought like, wow, that salad spinner probably sat unused in their kitchen for years. And it was on deck to be outside the house. If there had been a Goodwill run the day before, it wouldn't have been used. But then look what came running to the rescue at the last minute to save us all from diarrhea. But the salad spinner.

[Luke Burbank]

This is in some way an argument for maybe not tossing everything so quickly. Now there's a balance, right? There's definitely holding onto too much stuff. But then there's also having it be something that is, you know, kind of a high, high priority. And I've been thinking about this because of something you mentioned on the show yesterday, which is I left a pen at the Airbnb.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And it's like a pen that says again, I'm guessing it maybe said the Knickerbocker Hotel on it. I know you said it was a nice pen.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was a nice pen. It definitely came from a hotel.

[Luke Burbank]

I think it was yes, probably from the Knickerbocker, where I was in New York a few weeks ago, and you said something. Oh, you left your. I forget exactly how this story unfolded, but you said you left your pen at the Airbnb, and I grabbed it, and then I said, oh, cool or something. And then you said, yeah, I gave it to my dad. And then you said, because you, like, rarely come to Seattle talking about me,

[Andrew Walsh]

which is very true, by the way.

[Luke Burbank]

And so I thought about you with this pen, and I love that your dad has it, and it's a nice pen for him to have, but I thought it was so funny that you did not want to have this pen in your life any longer than you had to, whether it was, bring it back to Seattle and I come get it from you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, that was never gonna happen.

[Luke Burbank]

That. Which would have never happened. So then you would have just had this pen at your house, but then you could have used the pen. Was it the idea of flying the pen back to Seattle? Was it the gifting of your dad? What was the motivating factor? And I. I don't. I don't care about the pen. I don't want the pen back. But I just. It's such a small item. I thought the idea that you were. Were you giving the pen to your dad because you were like, oh, Bob would enjoy this, or were you giving it to him because you're like, I don't want to have this in my life?

[Andrew Walsh]

No. Kind of neither, to be honest with you.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, really? Door number three?

[Andrew Walsh]

It was because

[Max from Seattle]

I.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I was leaving the Airbnb and I saw your pen sitting there, and in fact, I even saw it. All right, let's back this up a little bit.

[Luke Burbank]

Beep, beep, beep. Oh, my friend. It's never far.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, let me try this. I hate you because you look different.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah,

[Unknown Speaker A]

I say.

[Max from Seattle]

What.

[Andrew Walsh]

What's up, dog? All right, listen, I'm so. I'm sorry.

[Luke Burbank]

I saw it in the Airbnb.

[Andrew Walsh]

The combination of me not really wanting to have a real conversation today.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, if this is going somewhere awkward, we don't.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, no, no. It's not awkward at all. I just. Clearly, I'm having some sort of a day where I don't. I'm not having. I'm not interested in completing any sentence. I'm flittering around, like, whatever.

[Luke Burbank]

It's not helping that I'm blasting, But.

[Andrew Walsh]

So the truth is, the. The night before, you. You were packing up your stuff, you were ready to go for. You had what was scheduled to be a very early morning flight on a Monday morning. John Sklaroff had a mid morning flight on Monday morning. I had a late afternoon flight, which meant I was going to be the last person out of the on Monday morning. I know that they said we had to be out strictly at 11 because apparently the cleaners come right at the click of 11. So I was like, fine, I'll get out of here at 10:50. That was my plan. I was gonna sleep in late, kind of put her around and stuff. But also I was planning on staying up late and puttering around. And that is what I like to do there. I saw, I don't know, a comic or a meme or something about this recently and it's amazing how close it hit home. Like, I'm in the Airbnb, I'm listening to my podcast. It's late on a Sunday night. Like, I have no desire to sit and watch TV or do anything that anybody else would consider entertainment. Like what I like to do and I just found myself doing, without thinking about it was doing dishes and puttering around and cleaning up this and cleaning up that. The night before a house cleaner is going to come and clean up after us. Right. But it's just like, I don't know, what am I supposed to do with my hands when I listen to a podcast? So I was just in puttering mode. You had just gone upstairs to. You had said goodnight to us and you had just gone upstairs, I think,

[Luke Burbank]

to kind of on the early side.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was on the early side.

[Luke Burbank]

I was like 30 or. Or something.

[Andrew Walsh]

You were going to lay your sweet head to rest. And I noticed right as soon as you left the room that you had left that little money clip thing next to your fancy pen next to, I think one other thing just sitting here. There was no money in it, at least not after I gave it back to you. And no, it was just an empty little money clip that. I think you said it was actually a napkin holder or something that you grabbed.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it was a napkin holder at a winery in Sonoma.

[Andrew Walsh]

So I knew it wasn't something that was. It wasn't like your great grandfather's golden money clip or anything like that, that. But I didn't notice that you were using it in the weeks I thought, I don't know, maybe he wants this. So I grabbed it off the table and I was going to take it upstairs to you before you went to bed. But I also, I don't know, when you're staying with other people, I Also really like to give people their space. Like, I don't want to be knocking on your door as you're slipping into your PJs or something like that. But you had just left the room. I grabbed this money clip and I threw it on your bed. You had gone, I think, into your little bathroom. And so I tossed it onto your bed where it looked like you had some other things. But then I came downstairs and I realized, oh, what was sitting next to that damn thing but your fancy little pen that you probably like too. I know that you like nice pens, but I didn't feel like taking it back upstairs. And I just thought, he'll probably see it in the morning and grab it. And so cut to the next morning, and I see you didn't grab your pen. And I thought, damn it, I should have threw it on his bed with his damn money clip. And then as I was leaving the house, I was like, well, I guess it belongs to the housekeeper now or belongs to this Airbnb now. But then I was like, I don't know, it's just a nice little pen. And I didn't really know what the end game was. I just put it in my bag. I just slipped it in my bag next to my pen. And the thing about me, though, this is such a long, long answer for

[Luke Burbank]

I, I'm the one that brought this up.

[Andrew Walsh]

But the, the simple answer is I don't use ballpoint pens, even nice ballpoint pens. Like I use like a Bic pen. I have this very specific, like very tiny pointed, but like kind of wet unib. I think they call it a Uniball or a Uni roller or Unabomber or some sort of pen. It's this guy, I don't know if you can see it on the screen. I've been using it.

[Luke Burbank]

They call it a Kaczynski.

[Andrew Walsh]

They certainly do. It's a Bic Uni ball. And I've been using them for probably 40 or maybe closer to 50 years now because this is the kind of pen my dad used to use, and I like to use them now. And so anyway, but I didn't want to leave your pen behind, so I threw it in my bag. And then I am at my parents place. I look at that pen and I just think, oh, maybe my dad would like this pen, because I don't think he is. Is as religious to using the Uniball as I am. And I said, would you like this pen? He's like, hey, hey, you know my dad now. You know him. Too well. And he's like, hey, hey, look at that. That looks like a nice pen. And then he looked at it, he said it was from. He said it was from a hotel. He said. I said, your other son left at the Airbnb. No. So that was it.

[Luke Burbank]

Your other disorganized son.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was all very casual. I just picked it up, threw it in my bag and then I was like, I don't know, I just couldn't quite bring myself to leave it behind. And then I just thought, oh, this might spark a little joy as I'm standing in the kitchen next to my folks pen holders. You know what I mean?

[Luke Burbank]

I love that explanation. And you're right, it is door number three. It's just because it's not the kind of pen you would make use of. And so you thought maybe your dad would enjoy it or could use it. Not that the pen itself represented a burden to like, if it had it been a really nice pen that was the kind you used, maybe you would bring it back to your house. It was more. Or if it was like that kind of pen.

[Andrew Walsh]

But contrarily, if it was a really nice pen that weighed 75 pounds, I probably would have left it behind.

[Luke Burbank]

That would make sense. Also, you have very good handwriting. And when you like label something or when you fill something out, you do it very precisely. So you are the kind of person that I can tell, like you have the kind of pen you like to use and it's evident. Whereas if you look around here, you just see, I mean, if you see things that I've written and amended, it's just chicken scratch.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, if I see something you've written, there is a 85% chance it also has a piece of balled up chewed gum in the corner of it.

[Listener Megan]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. Which is your mood pen energy.

[Unknown Speaker E]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

You're thinking about like somebody.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is it because you think you might pick it up and chew it again later? Why are we not putting gum in the garbage can? Why are you always sticking it to the piece of paper you're using?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I'm trying to actually be. First of all, it's that maybe I don't have ready access to a garbage can because that would be my preferred place to toss it. Or it's that the garbage can doesn't have a liner in it. Like it's a waste, waste basket. And I would never throw my gum into something like that, you know, and have it be something someone would ever have to deal with.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I would tear instead of sticking into the piece of Paper I'm using. I would tear a corner off of that piece of paper, fold my gum into that paper, then throw it in the garbage.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, it's funny because I think my. I think what I think I'm doing consciously, and maybe I'm not, is I think I'm putting the gum down on the paper and then folding a corner of the paper over. But maybe I don't do that. And if I'm not doing that, I need to work on it.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's gross. Yeah, that's gross.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't want anyone to have to see my gum or think about my gum. It's always interact with my blood.

[Andrew Walsh]

Why is it always bloody? What's going on with you?

[Luke Burbank]

That's honestly a HIPAA violation for you to ask me.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm sorry, my apologies.

[Luke Burbank]

That's a DIPA violation, which is the dental version of hipaa.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's probably cranberry juice.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm going to the dentist. I'm getting a full. I'm getting a full workup in a couple of weeks, in like a couple of Fridays from now. It was the two. Basically. I like, I was like, I need to go back to the doctor. And what I really need to do is I need to get my skin checked, like for moles. That may or may not be ominous.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure.

[Luke Burbank]

But. And with. With Kaiser, and I'm sure this is the case with a lot of these large healthcare concerns now, you can't just make an appointment with a dermatologist. You have to go see, you know, a primary doctor or maybe nurse practitioner. And then they look at your skin and they go, whoa. Then they refer you.

[Andrew Walsh]

They're like, Kevin at the United States Postal Service who just said, yeah. Oh, no.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, you need to get an official. Oh, no.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, oh.

[Luke Burbank]

And then. And then that's the referral to a dermatologist. So I'm gonna do that. But it was the soonest that I could schedule. This is as of a few weeks ago. As soon as I could schedule, the initial intake was August 7th. And then I also am going to get my teeth cleaned and looked at. And that was also only available on August 7th. And one's in the early morning and one's in the mid afternoon. So what I'm gonna do is go down, get the physical workup, go to Becca's, do the show with you, this is August 7th, normal time, and then head back out. Because the it happens at the Kaiser facility is much closer to Portland than it is to where I live, the one that I'm Going to. But the big question is, am I going to be honest with the dentist? About a small amount of. And it is still relatively small amount of tooth pain that I'm having in one of my rear molars. I think I mentioned this on the show a couple weeks ago. The last time I was having my teeth cleaned, they were just doing a general dental check, and they had me biting down. Actually, I'd never done this before. Has this happened when you go to the dentist? They have this little, like, plastic. I don't know what you'd call it. Dowel or something like. It's a little kind of plastic device that you bite down on and you're supposed to report to them if you're feeling any discomfort. Ever had that? No, this was my first time for it. It's almost like a toothbrush, but it doesn't have the bristles on it. Just imagine that. And so. And, you know, so I'm biting down on it. It's fine, fine, fine. And then I get to the very back of the left side of my mouth and I bite down, and I feel a minimal amount of discomfort, but some discomfort. But because I'm a weirdo, I do not report the discomfort because I don't want them to say, you need a crown.

[Andrew Walsh]

I would have done the same damn

[Luke Burbank]

thing, because I've heard those are really expensive. In fact, I think Becca's getting one. And even with her coverage, like she said, oh, good news. I found out that, like, Kaiser is going to cover this crown, or I think she. She also has Kaiser, and they cover 80% of the crown. I was like, oh, that's awesome. And yet her part of the bill is still $900.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, geez Louise.

[Luke Burbank]

So that's 20. 20% of the crown is $900. And so I don't even know if I have as good. I probably don't have as good a healthcare as she does. Even though we're both with Kaiser. I have public radio. I have Livewire health care, which is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Even the tutors don't pay that much for a crown.

[Luke Burbank]

And so I don't get that.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think the tutors are the whole. Are the royal family? Is that the name?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, sure.

[Andrew Walsh]

Family. Is that the royal family?

[Luke Burbank]

That's the. Wait, that's the name? That's the actual name.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's the old royal. God, I'm so freaking dumb. Who are the Tudors? Are they the current royal family? No, that was a long time ago. That I remember. 1600 wasn't that long ago.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, in Your defense?

[Andrew Walsh]

Not the 1600s of TBTL episodes. I mean, the.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, that literal. Oh, yeah, no, that's a long time ago now. That's. That is a lot. But so, again, it's like, I don't know what my plan is here to continue misleading dental professionals so that I don't get this expensive procedure, which, by the way, I'm allowed to. They're allowed to say, hey, we recommend this crown. And I'm allowed to say, no, I don't want to pay for it. Like, I don't know. They can't. They're not going to force me to do it, so why not give them full disclosure? It's, you know. But for some reason, it's like, I feel like if they know, then they're gonna. They're gonna tell me I need to get the crown done and then I'm gonna. They're gonna force me or something.

[Andrew Walsh]

But, hey, can I ask a really quick favor here? Can you please you say something again about how expensive the crown is?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it's about. Well, it was $900. Was 20% of it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Even the Windsors don't pay that much for the crown.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my God, you are absolutely right. You're talking about. Oh, man, King Charles. You're talking about Camilla.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sometimes I'm just on it, you know.

[Luke Burbank]

You're talking about the other one.

[Andrew Walsh]

The other one, Andrew, but we don't really talk about Andrew.

[Luke Burbank]

I think probably not Andrew. Is Andrew still on the window health coverage? That' real question. Was he kicked off and did they have Cobra?

[Unknown Speaker E]

Did they.

[Luke Burbank]

When they kicked Andrew. When Andrew stopped being a prince and they kicked him off of the Windsor health coverage, did he have six months of coverage?

[Andrew Walsh]

He's on whatever the. What? You know, the British have a different word for cobra, I believe.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, he's on the lift. He's on the lorry. Did you ever go on Cobra? Boy, this is.

[Andrew Walsh]

No.

[Luke Burbank]

What a show on a Wednesday.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've been very fortunate in that way that have not had to go on Cobra.

[Luke Burbank]

I think I've been on it because for those that don't know, I don't know. Is that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is that.

[Luke Burbank]

Is that like a federal law or a state law when you're. When you have health coverage and then you're laid off? I think from a place. I don't know if it counts if you're fired, but I think I remember being like when I was laid off from Kuow and I think even went well. No, I was fired from Cairo, so I wasn't. I was fired for incompetency of not having a popular enough radio show. But I believe when I left Kuow, I was eligible for cobra. And that was the health care that my first ex wife and I had because. Because I was the one with the health care coverage. And that's so you can pay some somewhat nominal fee for like X amount of time so that you don't just go right from being covered to like having no coverage.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, you know, I was just. As you were saying that we used to talk about COBRA all the time. I know that's like, it's like a bridge covered situation until you kind of figure out what, where your next coverage is coming from. And as you were kind of bringing this up, I was like, oh yeah, what is the use of COBRA during this period of time where we have Obamacare, Affordable Care Act, Affordable Care Act. But anyway, what I didn't realize was, so COBRA stands for Continuation of Health Coverage. I don't know exactly why. I think they were playing a little fast and loose with. Let's see here. The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation act is actually what COBRA stands for, but it's a continuation of health coverage. But here's what's different about it that I never quite realized. It gives the worker and their family the chance to continue the same health care benefits that they were getting through their current employer. So in other words, it's not a different plan. You can just keep on rolling. So whatever you paid for with your current plan, you can keep that rolling for a small period of time, which I believe is like maybe six months or maybe it's a year. I'm not exactly sure about that. So I don't know if you knew about that little dazzling detail of it.

[Luke Burbank]

I didn't know the specifics of it, but it also just feels like you're right. Part of it is that there's the Affordable Care act or Obamacare, which before being gutted of late, provided maybe a little bit more of a kind of a safety net for folks. Whereas, you know, back in the battle days when I was like getting laid off by Kuow, there wasn't any. There really wasn't a public insurance option in the same way, unless I was on like Medicaid or Medicare, I guess. So I wondered if COBRA has like, kind of gone away because of the Affordable Care act, but probably not. Under the Trump administration, they've rolled out something called Destro, which is Dee's employees. Sure, T. What starts with T?

[Unknown Speaker E]

Wait.

[Luke Burbank]

Sure to think.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure. Think Rotten regret

[Luke Burbank]

out ordering Trump the Last T is silent.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

That didn't work as well as bdsm, but we went there anyway.

[Andrew Walsh]

The Windsors would love that joke.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, they sure would. But not what's his name too. Harry, who's also kind of on the out. That's the big question. Is Harry. Is Harry still on King Charles's cell phone plan?

[Andrew Walsh]

Are we no longer framily.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, right. That's the, that's the big question. I guess that they've. I don't know, sort of. Sort of. Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

They seem like they're on good terms. Didn't they celebrate a birthday together or something? Like, I feel like they're, they're talking.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know, I see little, I see little headlines here and there, but I don't, I don't follow quite closely enough. That was, I feel like that was the high watermark for BS podcasts was when they gave Harry and Megan $20 million to do a podcast. They never did.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I did. Did they do one episode? That's.

[Luke Burbank]

I think they did maybe, maybe one epis.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean they did do a podcast. That is true about it. We're giving you $20 million to do a podcast.

[Luke Burbank]

And they took that very early Spotify laying off everybody they hired from Gimlet, who they could have. Who they could have funded for 10 years. All of those people for one Harry and Megan podcast episode.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now, I hesitate to bring this up because, to be honest with you, I haven't been following it closely, but it seems like something you might be more plugged into than I am. But have you been following these layoffs at espn? Apparently there are major layoffs happening over at ESPN and there seems to be some anger towards the fact that like they're allocating a lot of resources to like people like Pat McAfee and what have you.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I think the Stephen A. Smiths and the Pat McAfee's of the world, of the ESPN world have consolidated all of the salaries. And so now it's like there's not as much money for the Ryan clerks and the. Who is a football analyst who actually thought was pretty good. In fact, Ryan Clark has kind of an inspiring story of becoming a pro football player. He was not a shoe in, in the league. I think he was, he came out of college, he was maybe undrafted and he was trying out for teams, not making it. And then I think was working as like a sort of one of the like graduate coaches or assistant coaches at a college program. He's working in some college program, but still working Out. So he was like trying to integrate into like, like post football life. And I think I told the story that like his, his wife basically said, I will figure out how to support our family while you go for this dream. And then he got in the league and then he played for a long time. All that is to say Ryan Clark was informed during a broadcast that he was laid off.

[Andrew Walsh]

He was pulled off. What. Who does that? Disney?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, the ghost of Walt Disney, Mickey Mouse came out.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, I understand why. Who would, who would ever do that? That. I mean, even from a. I mean, putting it. Sorry. I'm flabbergasted. Putting aside the human element of it, which I think Disney is quick to do, why would you create that kind of drama in laying off somebody who is a face of your network?

[Luke Burbank]

The story goes that somebody got a hold of this list of people who were about to be laid off by espn, you know, on air people. That was the big, the big thing. And somebody got ahold of the list and the list was about to be published and they didn't want. I'm not defending ESPN for this. What you do is, is you don't send Ryan Clark into work on a Monday when you know you're going to lay him off. On Tuesday you have a meeting with him and you say, you know, we're sorry, but we're going to be ending your contract. So the idea was that like the news was going to get out and they didn't want Ryan Clark to like read it on his phone on air. So they pulled him off air mid broadcast or something. But again, that was poorly handled going into it. Also, I think it was Carl Ravitch is out, one of their main baseball guys. And I think. Is it Verducci also, like, just. It's not anybody who's like the first names that come to mind when you think of espn, but they're. If you watch a lot of it and if you've been watching for a long time, there are names that people recognize. And it is. Yeah, because what ESPN is, they have bet big on Pat McAfee and they have bet big on Stephen A. Smith and. And that's where they think the future of the network is. And. And so there's a lot of other people they don't have money for now, or at least they say they don't have money for.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I see it is the headline I'm seeing from the Hollywood Reporter, which of course covers a different industry, says Disney cutting hundreds more jobs and Pixar and Nat Geo are Apparently taking the brunt of a lot of these layoffs as well, which I had not been hearing so much about because I guess I don't like, kind of follow people who are deep into the game.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, Pixar is laying off that lamp that jumps on the pee.

[Andrew Walsh]

So sad.

[Luke Burbank]

At the beginning of pic, in fact, they pulled him. He was midway through smashing down the pitch in the Pixar intro. I'm guessing you have no idea what I'm talking about.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I do know what you're talking about. Oh, really? What I'm trying to figure out is if I should raise. If I should call you and raise you a similar thing, which is not really related to Pixar. But I always think of. Do you remember hearing about a commercial that went VIRAL probably like 15 or 20 years ago, and it wasn't for Pixar, but it was for Ikea, but it sort of featured a lamp very much like the Pixar lamp. Do you have any idea what I'm talking about?

[Luke Burbank]

They were selling. It was an ad for IKEA that had like their version or sort of knockoff.

[Andrew Walsh]

It just featured a lamp very much like that lamp. And I think that it's not a coincidence that they used a lamp that maybe already sort of like would.

[Max from Seattle]

Sure.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, a lamp that already maybe had some sort of an emotional, you know, connection to. Because the commercial for Ikea. And I'm doing this off the top of my dome and I really want to Google it and maybe you can be my man on the computer for this one. Type in IKEA commercial. And it was this one minute long commercial where you see somebody using the lamp and like enjoying the lamp, but then they put it out by the curb. I think that like maybe they're moving or something and maybe, maybe it's a young person. They put it out of the curb. And then the commercial is one of those kind of classic tropes of like you see the lamp at the curb through all kinds of weather and maybe the season's changing and there's sad music playing and it looks like the. The Pixar lamp and you sort of feel bad for it. And then at the end of the day or at the end of the commercial, a truck comes and I think picks up the lamp and it just goes right into the trash. And then at the end you hear a voice just say, what are you crying about? It's just lamp. Do you have any idea what I'm talking about?

[Luke Burbank]

You got so right, my friend. I'm watching this commercial right now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Can we hear the loud.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm going to. Let's see. I don't know if this. Is this gonna play. We have. So it's the music, the dramatic music. So the lamp is still out on the cur. We had exactly where it's like a college kid or something, maybe recent college grad, they go, they grab this red lamp that is very Pixar coated. They put it out on the curb. It's going through the different seasons as you mentioned. And so we're, we're about 37 seconds into the commercial now. Lamp is sitting sadly out on the curb. There's a new lamp in the house. I actually honestly like the old lamp better. Many of you feel bad for this lamp.

[Andrew Walsh]

That is because you're crazy.

[Luke Burbank]

It has no feelings. And the new one is much better.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's how they're advertising their new line of lamps or something.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, you're at. You couldn't be more right. Well, this guy who's just getting drenched.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, he's actually in the frame outside.

[Luke Burbank]

He's outside. He's on the curb where the lamp is and he's just totally drenched and he's just saying to the camera, why are you feeling bad? Let's play that one more time because it's a little accented. Here he is saying, let's see here, we got this. Many of you feel bad for this lamp.

[Andrew Walsh]

That is because you're crazy.

[Luke Burbank]

It has no feelings. And the new one is much better. Now I would, I mean I think it's. That's very clever of them. I would say the new lamp is much worse.

[Andrew Walsh]

I, I don't remember what the new lamp looks like.

[Luke Burbank]

The Pixar lamp is way better than the new one. The new one is very like. And by new, because you said this is probably very old. Well, 2007. Right.

[Andrew Walsh]

So that's when you're seeing it posted to YouTube.

[Luke Burbank]

That's when this was posted to YouTube.

[Andrew Walsh]

Before that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, yeah. So what they were doing is like, well, I don't know. I'm a traditionalist at this point about almost everything, including marriage. Okay. It's Adam and Steve, not Adam and new IKEA lamp. No, but like I like the so called Pixar looking lamp that's out on the curb. And the new one has a little bit more, it's a longer, more thin neck. It kind of goes to a sort of more tulip kind of lamp shade and it's one of those things, let's call it kind of early 2000. It's probably supposed to be a little more futuristic looking, but I don't like things that are supposed to look more futuristic. Generally speaking, from just a design standpoint, I've got.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've got eyes on the actual. There's a Wikipedia page just for this commercial. I knew it was a very famous commercial. And so it was 2002. So I just think we were talking about design. It's worth sort of noting where we were as a culture then, too.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hello and welcome to Top Story.

[Luke Burbank]

The Odyssey is getting rave reviews and you've got tickets to see it already.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Genevieve mentioned yesterday, she said, you know, I really want to see the Odyssey. And I said, well, what about a matinee this weekend? Because I think it's still. Maybe gonna still be pretty hot here. And. And she's like, okay. And so she was looking at. And I also, because I had a. You know, the last two weekends were pretty busy for me with travel and everything. I haven't had just sort of a really low key weekend in a while, so I didn't want to sign up for any kind of evening plans. But absolutely, you know, a midday showing of the Odyssey, it's a long movie, too. This is a kind of a side point here. But I'm looking forward to Saturday. I should save it for big weekend plans. You know what? I'm gonna keep my powder dry. But anyway, we are gonna go see, by the way, be prepared to be underwhelmed by what I was about to say. But it sounds better with the music behind me, so I'll hold off for Friday on that. But we are, yeah, gonna go see a Saturday matinee of the movie. And it got me thinking. So I'm on Blue Sky a lot, and sometimes I just sort of, you know, I just sort of mindlessly scroll through it. And obviously something I'm picking up on and something that you mentioned at the top of the show is like, somehow there's a culture war around this movie. And I just sort of see a bunch of, like, liberals dunking on really stupid things conservatives are saying on other platforms about it. And it's kind of like that whole. I just don't get involved in a lot of that, but I never stopped to think until you were introducing the topic at the beginning of the show. So why is there a culture war about this movie? Like, why do conservatives not like the Odyssey? Because I think that the ticket sales are good. I thought people were going to see it, but you have Elon Musk whining about it or something. Do you know?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I think it's because they think that the multicultural casting is too woke of like a what, 10,000 year old story? Because they're written in like Greece, where I assume, you know, many people from parts, you know, to be from like the sort of equatorial, I don't know, lands of this world and sub Saharan Africa and the Mediterranean, etc. Were probably all kind of converging. I think the idea is that I think it has Zendaya in it. Right. And it's like the Odyssey.

[Andrew Walsh]

But don't we know. I mean don't. And I don't want to take their side because that's pretty gross. But we know that Cyclops was white, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, yeah, I mean that's just straight

[Andrew Walsh]

as Obama said in our intro package. That's science. These are facts. Like. Yeah, that's of course, of course it's about race. Like what?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, it's not. But Andrew. But hold on, it's not just about race. It's also about college swimming because Elliot Page is cast.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I didn't know. Elliot Page is in this.

[Luke Burbank]

Elliot Page is cast as a soldier and that is very much, very much freaking people out because Elliot Page was at a different time known as. I've actually Ellen Page. The good news is I've actually forgotten what their name used to be.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right.

[Luke Burbank]

Elliot Page is a trans man and is one of the soldiers in this. And that is just absolutely too much to bear for some people who, not only longtime college swimming fans, but longtime students of the exact vibe of the soldiers depicted in the Odyssey that yeah,

[Andrew Walsh]

this is, this is just so stupid. It's not even worth wasting time. Speaking of Elliot Page, I remember it was probably even. It was probably literally like Charlie Kirk or something like that who posted this. And again, I think one of the problems with the left on social media is they spend too much time clipping the hateful and just frustrating things that people on the right are saying and then resharing them and then getting spun up about it. You know what I mean? Like I shouldn't know? Why would I care what somebody like Charlie Kirk said about Elliot Page a long time, like 10 years ago? Why should I care about that? Why does this live in my brain and it shouldn't? And I'm mad that I sort of take the bait on this stuff, but somebody like some culture warrior like that on the right apparently posted a photo of Elliot Page like post transition and then a photo pre transition and I'm with you. I don't even remember What Elliot Page's dead name is. So no need to try to rack our brain for it. But whatever it was. But the photo was. Look what they took away from us. In other words, I think the idea being that Elliot Page was so beautiful in their mind, but I just remember all these people being like, who is they? First of all, who's they? Look what they took away from us. And also, what did you have? Did you have Elliot Page? Like, what are you talking about?

[Luke Burbank]

Were you gooning to Juno?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right.

[Luke Burbank]

And now you can't.

[Andrew Walsh]

You still. Juno's still there. Goon away.

[Luke Burbank]

Goons.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, no, not a show title, by the way. Anyway.

[Luke Burbank]

Even I knew that was the show title.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is like one of those things where like. Like here I am getting spun up about some social media post that lives in my head from years and years and years ago that I shouldn't even have seen. It was just like somebody was outraged by it. So then I see it and now I'm outraged by it. But it is kind of a reminder of that mindset of those awful people.

[Luke Burbank]

By the way, Lupita Nyong' o is also in the movie, I think as well, another person that has these culture warriors upset. But you're absolutely right. It's like, like, it's like there I actually, this is. I'm being reminded of this and why we give this any oxygen. Who knows? But it's like there's something about the fact that Elliot Page was perceived by certain people when. When he was, you know, in his previous identity as cute. It's just like a double whammy for folks. It's like if Elliot Page would have been considered gross or not cute.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. In their eyes, then we wouldn't be

[Luke Burbank]

as sad about it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Look what they took. Look what they took from us.

[Luke Burbank]

We can't even have Juno anymore.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right.

[Luke Burbank]

So it's such a. Yeah, it's a completely weird thing, but. And, and in fact, when I. I don't know how closely you were listening, but like, I started to say at the beginning, like, everyone's going to see the Odyssey, but it's like, I don't really know if everyone's going to see the Odyssey. What, What I know is that it has had, as far as the. The film reviewers that I tend to read and the headlines that I tend to see, whether it's Richard Brody in the New Yorker or Manola Dargis writing in the New York Times, the places that I look to see what people think about movies, it has been pretty incredibly, unanimously glowing. About this film which I have to say for a movie of its length and ambition and imaxry. You want to talk about, you want to talk about looks maxing. Zy maxing done that. That's something there. But anyway, like it's such an, it sounds like such an ambitious film and like it's just such a big swing that I could have, I could have also just seen the reviews being like this is just thing collapses under its own attempt, its own weight. But that is not what people are saying at least again the people that. I don't know what Gutfeld saying over on the five.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's.

[Luke Burbank]

But

[Andrew Walsh]

you, you don't.

[Luke Burbank]

I turned off.

[Andrew Walsh]

It looks like it had a really good. It had a really good opening box office domestically. And that's what you, that's what you want. It says it earned 1 23.5 million domestically. I just don't know how to put that into context though. But I mean this. And then the, the article I'm reading, the headline from Forbes which dropped on Monday is. Or on Tuesday is the box office remains strong, earning another 8.6 million on Monday. So yeah, it seems like the box office is, is. Is strong. So yeah, I think. Oh, you know, that's another thing I saw. Do you remember how you. Again, I hate myself for bringing this up. Do you remember how there is like the. Oh gosh, what was the movie that supposedly the MAGA people were like buying tickets up for just so that it had good sale?

[Luke Burbank]

I feel like there's been unfortunately too many. Was it some Mel Gibson nightmare?

[Andrew Walsh]

You know what I think it was, I think it was. It was the documentary about Melania Trump maybe.

[Luke Burbank]

That was a, that was an, that was an Amazon deal, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Prime put that out. They paid all this money before the election for the rights to the movie and then, and then like. And then just pumped like a massive amount of promotion into it. Like more than has ever been put into a quote unquote documentary.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And just a reminder and that that money exchange, that signing of this massive deal with the Trumps was pre election too. It's just like, it's just so, so gross how, how Amazon was just like winning favor with Bezos is just like buying favor anyway. Just. It's just the whole thing is so gross. But anyway, I just remember a bunch of people like kind of taking photos of like kind of the box office sales but also like actually showing the theater maps and all the empty seats or whatever. Well now apparently there is a conspiracy theory on the. Right and I don't know how well spread it is or if I just happen to stumble on the wrong tweet or whatever, but apparently people on the right are claiming that people on the left are, like, buying extra tickets just to fill.

[Luke Burbank]

Just so the box office.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. So that the box office stays strong. But it's like, in this economy, there are many reports of people showing up, and there was only two seats left, but then they were the only people in the theater. Because the left wants this to be such a success. I'm like, this is just a three. I mean, it's a Christopher Nolan movie. I didn't see how a historic epic could be, like, so strong in the culture war of, you know, them versus us. Whichever side of that you find yourself on.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. It is a very, very strange movie for it to be have any sort of, like, political valence because it's from a million years ago and is a Homeric myth, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And it's literally a myth. So, like, the casting is so ridiculous. Like what?

[Luke Burbank]

Right.

[Unknown Speaker A]

Exactly.

[Andrew Walsh]

So anyway, you know, I'm sorry that I brought it there. I just wanted some Clarific and maybe to foam some of that off. But actually knowing that I am going to go see this film on Saturday.

[Luke Burbank]

Or are you? Well, did you just buy tickets to own the Right?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's a really good point. Take that.

[Luke Burbank]

We are Charlie Kirk.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my God. All right, so my question for you, though, is, what is up with this trailer you told me about? Because am I.

[Luke Burbank]

Do I have to show up.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do I have to show up late in my seat so that I'm not. Not scared by the trailer?

[Luke Burbank]

I'm gonna. Maybe I'll play this. I don't know. Like, if this is gonna. You know, it's. How do I put it? Seeing one of these. Seeing a. You're listening to a trailer for a scary movie might not quite have the impact of, like, you know, watching it because of jump scares and just, again, the visual versus the auditory.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is it gonna have a pop song from, like, the 2000s? Super. Super slowed down.

[Luke Burbank]

Not in this trailer that I remember.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know what I'm talking about, though, that trope. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

This is like. This is a little Kid is Coming Home.

[Andrew Walsh]

Why do you build me up?

[Luke Burbank]

That would be. That'd be next level.

[Andrew Walsh]

My buddy always wanted to do an emotion slowed down.

[Luke Burbank]

Hang on, Sloopy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Sorry to interrupt. So it's like a kid. I think it's so. Actually what it is. So Jessica Chastain is the mom in this. Right. The movie's called other Mommy. And I think she's sort of coming home at lunch, like lunchtime. And her kid is home from school maybe unexpectedly. And the kid is hiding a thing of ice cream behind her back. Like a thing of Breyer's ice cream. Like that she was having for lunch. You know, that means she's kind of not supposed to be having ice cream for lunch anyway. Here, let's just play a little bit. Hey, sweetie, you're home.

[Unknown Speaker E]

I had a lunch break. I thought I'd come home and eat with you. Where's dad? He fell asleep in the office. I'll go get him. Let him sleep. He needs his rest.

[Luke Burbank]

So, you know, the kids kind of backing into the kitchen, kind of holding the ice cream behind their back. I don't know if you can make out that dialogue.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I can totally hear it.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. Okay, cool. Here we go.

[Unknown Speaker E]

Cookie dough ice cream for lunch. What kind of kind of mother would I be? How about scrambled eggs? Get that for breakfast. That's right. I forgot. How about pasta? Your favorite. Do you want to know something silly? Yes. Sometimes I think about when you and I were one person. Do you remember that? So as a baby in your tummy, do you remember where you were before the that? No. You were in my heart.

[Luke Burbank]

Water boils loudly the pasta is now fully burned on the stove.

[Andrew Walsh]

The hair on my. I don't even know what's coming and

[Luke Burbank]

you're not even seeing. I got to give Jessica Chast aid. Jessica Chastade is somehow, for reasons we don't understand yet terrifying to look at. Even though she is. Is very put together, very presenting of, you know, whatever you want to call it, normaly. But it's just like there's just something underneath all of this that's not right.

[Unknown Speaker E]

Can I go into your heart? You said you wouldn't leave my room.

[Luke Burbank]

You. The kid says you said you wouldn't leave my room.

[Unknown Speaker E]

You seemed lonely.

[Luke Burbank]

What were you cooking? This is the dad played by Jay Duplass, by the way.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh really? And I'm assuming we don't see the mom in the kitchen anymore.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, Andrew need a grown up to help keep kind of. Because now the mom is under the kitchen island. Like a weird ass spider lady.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh no.

[Luke Burbank]

Big old jump scare. And so yeah, somehow other mommy. This is like this kid has created some other mommy who is pretty, pretty scary. And then I think towards the end of the trailer, she's talking to the real mommy. Like the real mommy comes home and is confused and anyway, that's other mommy. It's you know, to the degree that the audio was scary, boy, the video more scary. And people are saying, hey, I, I came to see the Odyssey and this trailer is too scary. Why are you showing us a horror movie trailer when we didn't sign up for a horror movie? But maybe there's. I guess I hadn't thought about it that way, but I guess there was a kind of a unspoken agreement that the trailers that you get are going to be for the kind of film, for films that are similar to the film you're watching.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

You don't ever.

[Andrew Walsh]

You don't ever get. You don't. I. I can't tell you how many times in my life I've turned to Genevieve. I'm just like, oh, no. Like, what are we watching? Like, in other words, if you don't know a lot about the movie that you're sitting down to watch and then you see a bunch of coal mine and you see a bunch of trailers that are just like schlock or like something like, for me, it'd be like a whole bunch of like really corny biopics and be like, what? Who do they think we are? This is a bad sign for the movie we're about to watch.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that's a really good point. It's kind of the first indicator of the film that you, I mean, supposed to be of the film that you are watching is the trailers that, that you're also.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's a good sign, like, if I sit down to watch a movie and like, all the trailers are like, obviously a bunch of a 24 stuff or a bunch of period pieces or anything like that. Like that then. Or if Emma Stone is in one, I'm like, okay, they know me.

[Luke Burbank]

By the way, is it Begonia?

[Andrew Walsh]

I did. Yeah. I thought. I think we had discussed it on the show. I mostly like Begonia, but am I just remembering? Is Emma Stone. Emma Stone wanted to be called Emily Stone. Do you remember this whole thing? Am I. No, I can't remember. Didn't Emma Stone officially.

[Luke Burbank]

What about the Emma man grill that her dad was trying to sell in the 80s?

[Max from Seattle]

What do we even do?

[Andrew Walsh]

There was a lawsuit about that. I believe it looks like. No, it looks like Emma Stone. Maybe I'm making that up. Maybe I'm confusing this with something else. By the way, I'm considering naming the show today Zero Dark Mommy just because of the chest stain of it all.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, right, because she was in Zero Dark Thirty.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that was my joke there. And I just have a feeling I Just have a feeling that in years go by, when I try to remember the scary trailer that you played for me, I'm gonna remember it as Zero Dark Mommy, but, yeah, I don't know. Let's hear. Oh, yeah. What is up with the Emma Emily Stone name thing? But this was from two years ago, so it might have been something that passed.

[Luke Burbank]

You want to know what is so deeply wrong with me, Andrew? It finally took us 4776 episodes to get to this.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. I have a list. Or did you? Was this rhetorical?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think the list is necessary.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, go ahead.

[Luke Burbank]

I find it hurtful that you laminated it.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'll let you take it from here, then.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I actually think I may have even talked about this in the past, but I am such a fan of Emma Stone's acting work, and I think she's just great.

[Max from Seattle]

I.

[Luke Burbank]

Again, God, I thought Begonia was just, like, such a good movie. I saw it way after the Curve of. I mean, I saw it, like, I don't know, five, six months ago. I just watched it here kind of randomly, you know, as opposed to, like, maybe when it was getting more attention somehow, miraculously, it had not been spoiled for me either, which I will not do here as well. But. So I really like Emma Stone so much. But, like, at some point, I found out through, I don't know, the Internet or. I wasn't looking for this information, but I found out that she grew up. Up tremendously wealthy.

[Unknown Speaker A]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Father owns, I think, a number of golf courses in Arizona or maybe one very profitable golf course. And like, it is not anymore. Emma Stone's quote unquote fault that she grew up with means that's just how her life went. She didn't. She didn't do that. It just was her life and that. That she then has gone on to be a really, really talented actor. And, like, I like that. But it does bother me. It bothers me, and it should, because that's how big of a chip I have on my shoulder about that stuff, which I like intellectually and spiritually. I know that that doesn't matter, and that, like, the particular circumstances of my childhood were not in any way my doing any more than the circumstances of Emma Stone's childhood were her doing. And yet I can't ever shake that from my mind. I like that about my life.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think that you were only possibly kidding on the square. When we walked through my old high school, which I went to a pretty

[Luke Burbank]

fancy high school, Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was so joking about that it was legit funny. But like I was looking at my high school for the first time in a long time. It was like, you know, the building itself was built sometime, I believe in, I want to say late 1800s, early 19. It's like an old like college like stone tower building that has then been built out by the Jesuits. And it's a very, very kind of fancy looking place. And I was very lucky to go there. And I'll be the first one to always say that my parents took care of the tuition there and everything. It was great and I had a good education for going there, but I actually thought it was really funny. But I also believe there's some truth in what you said. Boy, knowing you went here, I expect a little bit more of you essentially, I promise you.

[Luke Burbank]

Here's. Well, let me unpack that a little bit. First of all, that campus was just,

[Andrew Walsh]

yeah, it's just gorgeous.

[Luke Burbank]

Really very beautiful place. And very much like you step onto the campus and you just feel like learning is in the air. And it has a very, it just had a very strong educational kind of energy to it. And I think really what I meant was you're not a snob having gone there. Like when I, when I think about you, actually, you know, it's very weird. I was thinking about you today on my jog. Like I said, Andrew, well, you should you live. Unfortunately what happened was you got. You moved into my head a long time ago under rent control. So you've just been living there. It's not rent free, but it's way

[Andrew Walsh]

below market and the notice you have to give me if you want me

[Luke Burbank]

to give you, I don't like it. Honestly, I feel like you have too many rights as a tenant.

[Andrew Walsh]

In my mind, I'm a squatter.

[Luke Burbank]

But like the reason I was thinking about you is because I was listening to, I was listening to like I think maybe Ezra Klein talking about, about China policy or something. And I was thinking about how sometimes when you and I get into conversations about politics, you're always very self deprecating. You're always very like, well, I don't really follow this. But then you will often say stuff that indicates to me that you actually really do know some stuff about these things. And whether it's you're just reading the New York Times or that you're listening to a different set of politics podcasts than I am or whatever, it's like you actually know more stuff than you give yourself credit for. And you're more read in on a lot of Things than you would ever self identify as being read in on. That's what I was thinking about today. But for all that, you don't come off as in any way snobby or elitist. And when I walked on the campus of St. Ignatius, I thought, wow, this could have produced a different Andrew because this place is really nice and it really does seem like it produces potentially some very studious, smart, sort of erudite people. And while I do think you are actually smart and you are, like I said, read in on more topics than you really give yourself credit for, you don't come off as snobbish at all. And I could have seen that if I would have gone to that high school, Andrew, I would be even more insufferable than the first thing you tell everybody.

[Andrew Walsh]

Genevieve denies this and I say this with all love and it has happened in a while, but Genevieve went to Wellesley, which is a very. I consider that to be a very elite school as far as education is concerned. And for people who don't know, it's an all women's school in Massachusetts. Produced Hillary Clinton, I believe, amongst others.

[Luke Burbank]

And I call her my other mommy.

[Andrew Walsh]

And so I call her my Zero Dark Mommy. Just really trying to make that work. We should have a name for something.

[Luke Burbank]

I just love that Zero Dark Thirty is a Jessica Chastain film to you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, isn't it. Isn't she the. Isn't she sort of the lead? I mean, she is the person.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I guess I would think of the Marines. I would think of SEAL Team Six, but it's her.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think the film depends on her.

[Luke Burbank]

Make the call.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think she.

[Luke Burbank]

I haven't seen Zero Dark.

[Andrew Walsh]

I have, but I. I only saw it in the theater when it first came out, which was a long time ago. I think it came out in like. I think I saw it in like 2000.

[Luke Burbank]

I think of it as a James Gandolfini film.

[Andrew Walsh]

I like the idea of thinking Zero Dark Thirty came out before 9 11, which was what my joke was there. But anyway, I do think that it really.

[Luke Burbank]

January 5th.

[Andrew Walsh]

I do think it focuses on her

[Luke Burbank]

as one of the main

[Andrew Walsh]

Finding Him.

[Luke Burbank]

When you look up zero dark 30k cast literally the first person. So. And it was probably crazy for thinking

[Andrew Walsh]

and for me it was probably the movie that cemented that name in my head. I don't know if I had seen her films or whatever, but I associate her with that. But you're right, I was wrong. Anyway, I. I don't even know what I was saying before, but sure.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, Wellesley.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, sure. Oh, and I do think that when I. When I first met Genevieve, and I will say, like, I met Genevieve when we were fresh out of college. Like, fresh out of college. Right. So of course you're going to be reflecting the thing that you were just doing or whatever. But I would tease her and she would deny it, but I swear to God, whenever she would meet somebody new, I could have a countdown clock in my head before it came up that she went to Wellesley, like it did. I felt like it did loom large. But also I'm saying that with utter love. And also I probably would have done the same thing. That is a huge formative thing for you, especially when you're six to 12 months out from that experience.

[Luke Burbank]

It's the pad from which you just launched.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly. Well said.

[Luke Burbank]

And I'm sure even I. I think the University of Washington is a fine institution. It's an institution that if I were a high school graduate right now, I would not be getting into. I went there when they didn't have nearly as rigorous standards for who they let in. But, like, I'm sure that even I, in the year post graduating from college, had a lot more conversations about, well, when I was in college, you know, back when I was in college, I'm sure it was coming up a lot for me. And that's from a university that I didn't take any particular pride in. I didn't know David Sedaris was a Kent State guy.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, if I knew that, I forgot, too. Now he's a bit older than me, but not. Oh, he didn't graduate, though, right? Didn't he just bop in there for a year or something? I remember reading maybe something about that in Naked or something.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe. So, yeah. In his latest book of essays he talks about. It's an essay about a friend of his who he's maintained a friendship with. I guess it was sort of his college, his college girlfriend. This was before he was publicly out, I guess. And they've maintained a friendship all these years, and she often travels with him and helps him kind of run his book tour and things like that. But he's mentioning in that essay talking about their time together at Kent State, and I just thought, wow, I did not know he was a Kent State person. I feel like if I.

[Andrew Walsh]

He transferred there and then dropped out in 1977. So I think it was a brief stint, which is maybe why I don't think of him as a. I just.

[Luke Burbank]

I would still claim him. I'd still. If I was a golden flash. I would claim Andrew Walsh and Julian Edelman.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was going to say Edelman you just brought up, which I don't even know if I remembered that before you brought it up yesterday.

[Luke Burbank]

He was a quarterback at Kent State. Right.

[Max from Seattle]

Really.

[Andrew Walsh]

And that would have been probably when I was there. Right.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I. Well, that's the thing. I don't really. I don't know. I'm not that. That good on him. And then I also feel like we were having that whole conversation about. About converted quarterbacks yesterday. Belichick converted quarterbacks, or at least maybe not all even converted quarterbacks, but just like a certain kind of player that he loved to put in the slot. And I still feel like I was forgetting one. I was talking about Edelman. I was talking about maybe Danny Woodhead. And I feel like there was one. There's one more guy that I'm. I can't remember, but. And it was also living rent controlled in my head yesterday. But I think that ship has now sailed.

[Andrew Walsh]

So apparently now this is AI Overview, because I'm not finding a good simple list online. I don't trust this AI Overview stuff, but AI Overview is giving me Arsenio hall and Steve Harvey.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. I always forget about Arsenio hall playing slot back for Bill Belichick.

[Andrew Walsh]

These are Ken Sacrats. Drew Carey makes sense. And I didn't know about this. Jeff Richmond, the person who did all the.

[Luke Burbank]

He's married to Tina Fey.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I thought they were married. I was gonna say that, but I wasn't sure. But the rock, the guy who made all the music for 30 Rock and

[Luke Burbank]

I think for Kim and honestly. And for. Yes. Kimmy Schmidt, longtime collaborator with his wife Tina Fey. Here's what I'll say about Jeff Richmond's contribution to the pop culture. When I'm watching 30 Rock or watching Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, I find the music perfection. It really helps kind of set the tone and move things along. It's a major bummer for audio drops.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Release the Snyder cut.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right. The dry cut.

[Luke Burbank]

Can we release a version of those shows sans all of the kind of like, music under them that is makes them kind of maybe not as great for audio drops. Not that we've let that stop us and not that there's been an under use of Kimmy schmidt and or 30 rock drops on this show. But, you know, can we, can we, can we get the. Can we get the. What do you call it?

[Unknown Speaker E]

The.

[Luke Burbank]

What do they. When they do that? Like in for DJs when they just release, release the stems or something. Can we just get the stems, please?

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, I got, I got Joshua Cribbs future. Well, I guess now past. But when he was at Kent future. Cleveland Brown. Josh Cribs was apparently a graduate of Kent State University. Colin, you mentioned Josh Cribs when we

[Luke Burbank]

were having like one of our conversations in Ohio. And I don't know how this buff guy escaped my radar.

[Andrew Walsh]

He.

[Luke Burbank]

I did not know anything about him as a Cleveland Brown. Brown.

[Andrew Walsh]

He was, I thought he was pretty good. Did Josh end up. Did he suffer the Madden curse? No, he didn't. I. That's a different Brown. But let's see here. I thought Josh Cribs, he was, he was a really speedy kickoff returner, I believe.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, he looks like another guy who came in as a quarterback but then was converted. Maybe something else on that.

[Andrew Walsh]

But yeah, I think that he was. I think it was a pretty star. Cleveland Brown, for the time that I was watching 2005-2012, it looks like. And then.

[Luke Burbank]

So he's tied for the second most NFL career record with eight kick returns for touchdowns.

[Andrew Walsh]

There you go. That's in speedy, man.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that's actually, that's really incredible. Like, that's, that's like Devin Hester territory, like eight. But he was, yeah, you. He was a. I think he was a quarterback who just was so kind of athletic that they, that they, you know, recast him as a kick returner and boy, that's incredible. Three time Pro Bowler, 2007, 2009, 2012. It's like, what's going on for me in those years that I'm not tracking Josh Cribbs? I wonder if that coincided with me. No, I was living in Seattle because I was trying to think. Let's talk about the most boring way into the analytics of this. I was just wondering if there was a period of time where I was less locked in on football. It would have probably been when I was living in Los Angeles because I, you know, it's not a Seahawks town. I'm moving around a lot across the country. I'm going to D.C. and New York for NPR. It's sunny out. If I'm in LA, I'm just not. I'm not paying for the package. Like, Seahawks football is not the top of my brain at that point. And then as I end up moving back to the Pacific Northwest, I end up locking back in. So it doesn't explain why I didn't know Josh Cribbs, but I'm very surprised I didn't know about the guy who was the second most kick return for touchdowns in the NFL.

[Andrew Walsh]

Michael Keaton, the actor and Don King, the promoter both went to Kent State. Only in America, but both dropped out, apparently.

[Luke Burbank]

So it sounds like the key is enroll at Kent State, drop out.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's the move.

[Luke Burbank]

That's the sedari.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hemingway went to Kent State. This is Robert Hemingway, of course, I'm talking about former chancellor at the University of Kentucky and the University of Kansas.

[Luke Burbank]

Still, though, say he said, Robert Hemingway said bankruptcy starts very fast and then very slowly, it just keeps moving faster

[Andrew Walsh]

and faster and faster. Faster. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I'll stop naming names. Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man. It's not from a female.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, my friend. Emails, v mails.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I got another Dave related voicemail. We're gonna hold on to that for a second. I thought this one just spoiled. Sparked this.

[Luke Burbank]

Dave's. I know.

[Andrew Walsh]

This just sparked some joy for me.

[Listener Megan]

Hi, Luke and Andrew, this is listener Megan in Charlotte, North Carolina. And I was just calling because I was listening to Luke talk about the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. And I came across that movie when I was 6 years old because it was in heavy rotation on HBO and as a feral Gen X child, I had unlimited access to watching movies like Mommy Dearest and Best Little Whorehouse in Texas on repeat while my dad was at work. What I most remember about the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas is the song that goes, Texas has a whorehouse in it.

[Luke Burbank]

Lord have mercy on our soul.

[Listener Megan]

So that's how I know it.

[Andrew Walsh]

I liked it when I listened to it earlier when I could just hear our listener sing the song.

[Luke Burbank]

Sorry, I know it's probably lagging, but that's the song. That's the big. That's the big hit number from that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

So anyway, and I remember in the movie, it's like Texas has a horror house in it. Lord have mercy on our soul. And then it's like, I think maybe one of the sex workers. What do we call it?

[Max from Seattle]

One of the.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm gonna try to not use the W word. One of the ladies I feel like is like, looks up from like a bed where she's mid.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, coitus.

[Luke Burbank]

Let's just say mid coitus with a client. And again, as a kid, I was like, I love this scene if she was a little bit less clothed.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And also just like the casualness is. Is impressive, you know, but again, it was.

[Luke Burbank]

It makes a lot of sense to me now that it was based on a body but not actually pornographic, if you would, Broadway musical. That explains a lot about the film because as I talked about at the time, I was really intrigued by the movie because I thought this is going to be. This is gonna be rated X and it was rated pg, if that.

[Andrew Walsh]

So I'm gonna play one more here because we have the time for it. And that was pretty quick. And I worry that the Dave talk will start to recede into the, you know, into the past. And then we'll be like, why are we talking about Dave's again? Here, this is from our pal Max in Seattle.

[Max from Seattle]

Hey there guys, it's Max from Seattle calling and wanted to reach out and wish you guys a great. I guess say congratulations on a successful TB tail a thon week. It's been a lot of fun listening. I wasn't able to meet you at the old frog jump contest on Sunday, so I figured I would call in and leave my list of top five Daves. So beginning at number five, we have Dave Matthews. Number four, we have the guy at any auto mechanic shop. Number three, we have Dave Bautista of Guardians of the Galaxy fame.

[Luke Burbank]

Love him.

[Max from Seattle]

Number two, we've got Dave Coulier, everybody's favorite TV uncle from the 90s. And at number one, best Dave is Dave Grohl. Now this is my own subjective list. I'm sure other people might disagree or have their own inputs, but there you have it. I also wanted to add that coming in at an honorable mention spot, although I did keep it to just strictly Dave's. I'm adding David from the basement on there too.

[Andrew Walsh]

Of course.

[Max from Seattle]

He deserves a shout out.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Walsh]

Dftb, top of my list.

[Luke Burbank]

Appreciate that, Max. I mean, you're loud. Wrong.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Because you're a big Dave Portnoy guy. Right.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm a Dave Thomas.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, Dave Thomas. The man who was bold enough to

[Luke Burbank]

make hamburgers square and I believe was himself maybe adopted. And so I think did a lot of really good work around like, you know, adoption programs. And I think he was a pretty philanthropic guy. I'm putting Dave Bowie up there.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh sure, Dave Bowie. So do David's count? I guess that, I mean, your brother's name is David. So if we're counting David.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, we call him. I call him Dave. Davey do Davies count?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I think Davey Bowie do it.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, I guess that's a question is like is David. Is David Bowie allowed to be on the list even though he wouldn't it have been a different career if he Was Dave Bowie.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do you know his real name? Do you know why he changed his name to David Bowie?

[Luke Burbank]

I think I always mix it up with. What was it, like Reginald Dwight or something?

[Andrew Walsh]

Now, I should make sure that this is not apocryphal, but I'm pretty sure this is right, that he was Davy Jones, but there was already. Or at least Dave Jones or something. But there was already a Davy Jones as a monkey, as a famous musician. And keep in mind there would have been a lot of overlap in that time period. And so he changed his name to David Bowie.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm pretty sure David Jones isn't bad either. Thought it was one like, it was like, you know, it was a name that just didn't have any kind of entertainment, you know, any kind of sizzle or zazzle coming off of it.

[Andrew Walsh]

His real name was David Robert Jones. I don't know if he actually went by Davey, but he just couldn't be another Dave Jones in the marketplace.

[Luke Burbank]

What Bowie come from, like the Knife, I doubt that. Doesn't seem like his energy.

[Andrew Walsh]

And then.

[Luke Burbank]

And of course, let's see other Daves.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah, he did. Yes, he did. I'm looking this up for the Knife Jones, which in the mid-1960s invited confusion with Davy Jones of the Monkeys. He took the stage name David bowie after the 19th century American pioneer James Bowie and the knife that he popularized.

[Luke Burbank]

Any other Dave's that I'm leaving off the list? Dave Thomas, Dave Bowie.

[Andrew Walsh]

What about, you know, kids in the hall? Oh, yeah, Dave Foley. Dave Foley. I mean, probably helped write song. These are the Daves we know. We know. Even though I believe that's a Bruce McCullough thing.

[Luke Burbank]

Let's see, what else? Who else am I? Let's see. Dave Attenborough.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, good call. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

My whole list is based on taking people who are named David and making them David.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, no, but I mean, I think it'll. I think that counts.

[Luke Burbank]

The last Josh Crib info that I'll give you is that just to kind of round things out here, he's part owner of a children's indoor inflatable play arena called Bounce City in Strongsville, Ohio. He co owns it with Darnell Dinkins, former Browns tight end. Really? You find yourself in Strongsville, which we recently found ourselves very close, very strong,

[Andrew Walsh]

if not driving through.

[Luke Burbank]

People were talking about it like the big city when I was in Valley City, people. Well, you gotta go down to Strongsville for that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And if you go. If you go to Bounce City, Bounce City in Strongsville, you are frequenting a business owned by Josh Cribs and Darnell Dink. Darnell Dinkins, will you please be my mayor? You'd be doing me a really big favor.

[Andrew Walsh]

Could you explain what you just said?

[Luke Burbank]

Tribe Called Quest.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is that the. But what?

[Luke Burbank]

No, they say, david Dinkins, would you please be my mayor?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I see.

[Luke Burbank]

You'd be doing us a really big favor.

[Andrew Walsh]

But is that a reference?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think so. It really has a lot of flavor. He just has the same last name as David Dinkins, one time mayor of New York City.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay. Mayor of New York City. I was trying to figure out. I didn't know that David Dinkins either. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I. David Dinkins, I think, was maybe the first black mayor of New York City.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is he on your list of Dave's?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, you know what? Put him on the list. Although I can't tell you much about his actual. His actual time as mayor of New York. I don't know if he was doing a good job or bad job. He was just on my radar, I think, because Tribe Called Quest name checked him, and I believe Tim Meadows maybe played him in an SNL sketch here or there. So David Dinkins was someone I was tracking more than most other New York City mayors.

[Andrew Walsh]

David Crosby. Right, Crosby. Stills Nashville.

[Luke Burbank]

David Crosby.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Dave Crosby. Interesting guy. Interesting. He was pretty smart, by the way. He, you know, he'd had a lot of health things. I think he had, you know, he lived a pretty intense life around, I think, addiction, and then he got sober, but his body was, if I remember right, still kind of dealing with the effects of that. And I think pretty. He was in pretty good health. At least he was. He was doing interviews and he. I remember hearing him, like on Stern and some other places, and he sold off his whole catalog. And I want to say either distributed the money to his heirs or just had it and then. And then passed away kind of, sort of, sort of. Suddenly, even though he had. He had been a little bit sick, but he seemed to be doing okay and then passed away. And I was like, boy, he sold at the right time, got out, got ahead of it.

[Andrew Walsh]

What about Dave Kovalik?

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. David Kovalik, majorly. Who's that?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, he was a friend of mine growing up.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, would you put him in your top 10 days?

[Andrew Walsh]

I would absolutely put in him. And.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, if we're doing childhood friends, I'm putting David Maxey in, the kid that I grew with who could out arm wrestle anybody, really. He was a gentle giant. It's like A switch just turns his hat around backwards. It's like a switch.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think we did it. I think we named all the Davids that were ever born.

[Luke Burbank]

Uh huh. Let's see anybody else. People are throwing their phones right now naming other Davids from their childhood.

[Andrew Walsh]

Some of them are named David. Like think about that. Imagine being a David listening to this and you're just like waiting, say my name.

[Luke Burbank]

We have. We're not even going biblical. We've got David of David and Goliath.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's true.

[Luke Burbank]

It's a pretty big Dave.

[Andrew Walsh]

I would feel like the probably made up.

[Luke Burbank]

But nonetheless, I don't think it was made up. He went on to be King David. I mean he had a big. That guy. You know what? He was one of the few child stars in the Bible who then went on to also work professionally throughout adulthood. He goes from being David who kills Goliath. Goliath. A lot of, A lot of child stars in the Bible, they just kind of like, you know, things go off the rails after that.

[Andrew Walsh]

They end up making pretty upsetting TikTok.

[Luke Burbank]

They've got adults stealing all of their earnings. They're just, you know what I mean? You hear they're driving doordash years later, which nothing wrong with that. But he was able to actually sort of build on his childhood stardom and he becomes King David. He steals Bathsheba. He sends her husband to the front line so he will die so he can have Bethshaba.

[Andrew Walsh]

Which is rough stuff. Stuff.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean you could call that a crash out. You could say Unk was chopped and was crashing out.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, that's from the Bible, isn't it?

[Luke Burbank]

Who is the, who's the prophet that comes like Jeremiah, somebody comes, a prophet comes to David after David has stolen Bathsheba. And he tells David a story of a shepherd who had many, many sheep, but he coveted his neighbor, one sheep. And so he kills his other neighbor to get that sheep. And David says, bring that person to me. And the prophet says, it's you. It.

[Unknown Speaker E]

You.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, but it wasn't a sheep. You. It was like the end of Mash. It wasn't a sheep, it was a person.

[Luke Burbank]

And the person was Bathsheba's husband who was murdered so that David could have Bathsheba. And I think, I actually think, if I remember right, Dave, David takes it, he takes it the way that you would hope. I think he then like he apologizes or he does, he does something. This is all very blurry. This is. We're going back almost back past the Windsors now on this one. This is almost before the Tudors.

[Andrew Walsh]

I feel like I'm missing some Daves, but I don't know, man. Maybe we just got a little bit.

[Luke Burbank]

What I'm thinking is it would be great if the song Toot it and Boot it was actually about the Tudors. I would also. You want to talk about a different energy.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, I don't have any.

[Luke Burbank]

Go out with Toot it and Booty.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't have any information that says it wasn't. You know what I mean? And so right now, I choose to live in this space. Like, don't. Don't look at it up. It's. You can't say it's not true until

[Luke Burbank]

you Toot it and Boot It. A song by yg.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's. Yeah. Twist.

[Unknown Speaker A]

Are you kidding?

[Luke Burbank]

That had to be a different song. No, you know what? To it and Boot it has to be a YG song that's building on the. The song to Boot it, which is like a almost zydeco number. Like 2. Didn't boot it original. Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

No. Everything I'm seeing, it has a Wikipedia page that's going back to yg. I mean, it's a hip hop song song.

[Luke Burbank]

There was a song. Because I can sing you the real. The original song. Tooted and Booted. Oh, Tooted and Boot It.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't like. Very weird show.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe it was.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm trying to pull it up here. But no, I mean, it's another song

[Luke Burbank]

where I'm singing to it and Boot It.

[Andrew Walsh]

Another show. Yeah. I feel like everything I'm looking at is taking us back to the YG song I'm gonna play.

[Luke Burbank]

You're right. The song features samples of songs in the Wind by the association, part of the 1966 album Renaissance.

[Andrew Walsh]

I can only play a little bit of this when we got to talk over a lot of it, but this is the song.

[Luke Burbank]

Are you playing the clean version?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, no, I'm not. Oh, goodness. There's an E. Oh, yeah, Here we go. Okay, there it is. Syg, I'm not gonna play. You got me scared with the language.

[Luke Burbank]

No, no, no, no. It's good.

[Andrew Walsh]

Just.

[Luke Burbank]

Just try to get to the. Try to get to the chorus. I don't care if it pulls us

[Andrew Walsh]

down in Romania I told her run

[Luke Burbank]

it and she never seen a chicken

[Andrew Walsh]

till she met my. Wow. He sounds so young.

[Luke Burbank]

I didn't know YG was. But yg, we like him. He makes Southern California music, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, he made that. And now this is going back.

[Luke Burbank]

Donald Trump Guy.

[Unknown Speaker E]

That's our. That's our guy.

[Andrew Walsh]

And. And do you remember I got obsessed with a record that he dropped when I was back in LA and it was such a like west coast old school rap sound. I think that single of it was twisted my fingers. Right? People like it when I. When I say the azs. Let me see here.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, like what's funny, because I didn't realize he was toot it and boot it guy, but I do very much remember when you put him back on my radar as this guy that was putting out a real kind of like throwback west coast sound, which I was digging too, that record. What is that YG record?

[Andrew Walsh]

Still Brazy. I gotta hear 20.

[Luke Burbank]

Listen to this. Listen to this. This.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's because he's.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, this blood, right? Your energy. I don't know what is it?

[Andrew Walsh]

Isn't. Isn't it called Too Brazy because he doesn't use Cs because he's a blood, not a crip. Isn't that.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I didn't know that part.

[Max from Seattle]

Come on.

[Luke Burbank]

I got too much.

[Andrew Walsh]

What's he saying?

[Luke Burbank]

I love the COVID photo, by the way, from Still Brazy.

[Andrew Walsh]

A little bit blur.

[Luke Burbank]

It's just so arced. I didn't mean that in a real

[Andrew Walsh]

way and in a good way.

[Luke Burbank]

That's interesting. I didn't realize he was toot it and boot it guy.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't think I did either until just.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, too damn. Boot it.

[Andrew Walsh]

The whole album has this like kind of 90s West coast hip hop vibe.

[Luke Burbank]

I wonder if Twist My Fingers is like a kind of a reference. Because what I think, I think is flashing the gangster.

[Max from Seattle]

Yeah. The sign.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I think so.

[Luke Burbank]

Those layers to snap your fingers, do the stare. You can do it all by yourself. That's a. That's a New Orleans based song.

[Andrew Walsh]

Anyway.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, this has been good for.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know, this has been a very strange show. I almost feel like this is the show people might have expected us to turn in yesterday when we were all like kind of burned out from travel and everything.

[Luke Burbank]

Never let them know your next move.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yesterday was a very copious. I feel like we told a lot of stories about our trip and then today I don't think either one of us was able to stay on one topic for more than 45 seconds at least. Maybe I'll speak for myself. I don't know if you had the same experience, but I just sort of felt like I could not get my brain to rest on anything.

[Luke Burbank]

I think it was a kind of entertaining show, honestly.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Max from Seattle]

Maybe.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, you know what I mean. I think people like it when we're.

[Luke Burbank]

When we're all over the map. I think that we. I stand by this. And I also think that we're probably the number one place people turn to for musings on hip hop from 20 years ago.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think so. I mean, it would make sense. All right, I'm going to. Speaking of music, let's play this. This is our indication that it's time to say goodbye.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, you don't like it when I sing Toot it and Boot it. Now you're doing some kind of. What is that? Sound of music?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I don't know. I was just stalling. I'm just playing our outro music. But something happened.

[Max from Seattle]

Oh.

[Andrew Walsh]

I moved a folder before the show, cleaning up my desktop top. And when I move the folder. Luke, what do you think happened?

[Luke Burbank]

It's not pointing back to the.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's not pointing back to the right place. So I need you to talk.

[Luke Burbank]

At least we've ended the show on file management. One of our other KPIs.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's what people want. I just have to sing. I think we're going to have to. I'm going have to sing us out.

[Luke Burbank]

Can we just go with Toot it and boot it?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, we can't wait.

[Luke Burbank]

We literally don't have the out music.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, we have it. You just start wrapping up. You don't worry about. You don't worry about me.

[Luke Burbank]

I won't worry my.

[Andrew Walsh]

Why would you. Why would you worry about. About what's going on over here? I. What? I haven't earned your trust?

[Luke Burbank]

What I know is I've got a trip coming up, a work trip to Las Vegas. And I know that I'm going to be walking through the airport listening to yg, listening to Still Brave.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, as well you should. That's going to put a little nothing

[Luke Burbank]

like listening to hip hop in your headphones, walking through the airport to feel main character energy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. I love that. Okay, here we go.

[Luke Burbank]

That's going to do it for today's episode. We're going to be right back here tomorrow though with more imaginary radio for all of you. Please join us for that. In the meantime, have a great Wednesday. Take care of yalls selves and please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

And good luck to all. Power out.