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Listen, every day at around 2:30, my armpits get sweaty.
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Okay?
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And I used to hate raising my hand in class to answer a question. But one day I had to say, who cares? I have swampy armpits and I'm gonna answer all the questions I want. I'm swampy and I'm proud.
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Tina, where are you going with this?
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I'm saying just because you think something is embarrassing doesn't mean you have to be embarrassed by it. We all have our swampy pits. My swampy pits is swampy pits. Hmm. Have you tried Dad's deodorant?
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It's, like, military grade. He gets it on the Dark Web.
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Tbt. I'm a man of few words, but those words will count, and so will my actions. You, like, are definitely. You're the real thing that a lot of people say. So do you think if you weren't. I mean, if you were less fake, do you think you would be? Or you could.
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Or you have a desire to.
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If you feel uncomfortable at any time.
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Give me the sign.
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I keep losing. It deals.
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And I don't want to make a deal anymore.
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All you have to do is study it out. Just study it out and you'll see.
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You haven't done. Done your homework, buddy.
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Faith, you know what time it is. It's time to get real. All right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Tuesday edition of tbtl. The show just might be too beautiful to live. It implodes into nothingness. My name's Luke Burbank. I am your host. I'm an activist and house party enthusiast coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia. Bring it back home, baby. Bring it back home where, my goodness gracious, does it feel good to be back here. It's been over a week since I've been up here in the fog. We've got the fog staring, peering through the weather at the Columbia river. And, yeah, it's my favorite place to do the show, probably. And it's nice to be here, at least for a couple of days. As we've arrived at episode 4000, I was moving my bell. Okay, here's the deal. The bell was over here. Let's do a little audio adventure together. You know, I ding a little bell usually when I mention the episode number. And the bell was over to the left side of the microphone. And so I could have just said, we're at episode 4604 in a collector series. And I bet you anything that would have sounded just fine. But Instead, I picked the bell up to move it over and in the process did kind of one of these jobs so that we could do this instead. Now imagine if it would have sounded like this and if that. I'll look for your email feedback as to if this is an improvement because this is what I was trying to achieve. As we arrive at episode 4604 in a collector series, I am guessing that that was indistinguishable, if not worse, the thing that I was trying to do anyway. Oh, boy. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the show. You're entering a world of pain. I'm living in a world of pain right now called logistics. I've got a fairly substantial piece of bathroom equipment that sounds weird when you say it that way. It's a vanity. It's like a sink and a cabinet that goes into a bathroom. And it's. Right now it's getting caught between various entities that do this kind of thing. And it's getting. It's getting real surreal real fast. And I want to talk about it. Also, speaking of the surreal nature of life here in the last the twilight of 2025. I'm having streaming problems, my friend.
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I don't even own a television.
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I can't get my beloved Ms. Now via my beloved Fubo. And it's got me. Or it's got me twisted like a T. So we will discuss that. Oh, and hey, you know what? I know I just was talking about a lot of negativity, but I'm gonna get the nose up on this negativity train and mention we've also got a really fun announcement that we'll do today on the program with the help of this guy, longest running cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He does about everything you could. I mean, he is a 5 to 6 tool player here on the program. But now he's up to a seventh tool and here's what he can do. Hell, I can get you towed by 3 o' clock this afternoon with nail polish. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.
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Good morning. They used to call me the seventh tool in high school. Honestly, I think it was a.
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Maybe not a compliment.
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No, I think. No, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure as a compliment, you know. You know, I'm a big fan of public transportation and how it gets me from point A to point B around this great city of ours, but I gotta say, they need to figure out their polling system a little Bit better. I get emails from both sound transit, which runs like the trains here, the light rail trains and other special buses. And I believe I also get emails from King County Metro. I get emails from two different sources about my public transit, public transit usage. And I even said, yes, send me more of these. I like filling them out. That's fine. But I think they just keep sending me the same one over and over again. Like, don't forget, fill out this survey and you could win. Oh, now they're up to $250. They were offering me a gift card of $100 and I was like, yeah, I want to say they're not getting.
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The hashtag engagement that they've been. Yeah, dynamic pricing model.
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Exactly. Working in our. But now, so I feel like I just keep filling out the same thing, but they want me to fill it out again. So I'm going to do it here on the show. Luke. I only take one sound transit service and it's the one line link light rail. Okay. So I'm just gonna go.
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And that's. Is that the one you take to the baseball games? That would be. Line it to the games, I. E.
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Line it to the games most often now because it's easier to get there to the bus stop than it is to get to the train stop. But I still use the. Use the train quite a bit now. It says, how often have you ridden the light rail in the past three months, Luke? How? Like maybe. Maybe about one day a week. Maybe two or three days per month or one day per week. Do I use the train?
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Does it depend on baseball season or not?
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Well, again, usually the E line is getting me to baseball. I'm taking the. Usually if I have to go to the university district for something, I'm gonna say I take the train about once a week. That's an exaggeration. I don't want any of our listeners to tell on me. That's a slight exaggeration. But it's more than two or three times a month. So I don't know what to do with that. So I'm going with that. And then maybe I'll commit. I'll commit to using the train more often. But anyway, I'll just.
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Are they asking you, like, if you're not using it a what it is that, you know, what they could improve, what they could do better, differently to make you want to take the train? Where are they trying to get to with this? Just literally, how often do you take the train?
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I guess, like right now. And so this Is irritating. All right, this is irritating. This isn't even what I want to talk about today. They want to know, what year did you start writing sound transit? Like, what a. This is a bad question. I'm on board with a bad question. What you're looking at is a bad question. I have no idea. Luke, what year. Year did you start brushing your teeth? That's such a bad example.
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I'd say 2017.
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I think it was slightly earlier than that. That's a bad example. Do you brush your teeth? You're very conscientious.
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I was noticing today on the treadmill that I think they're getting a little brownish area with points, even though I am a very, very. I mean, the thing is, toothbrushing and white teeth are not always necessarily correlated. Some of it's just aging, maybe drinking coffee, whatnot. But I was literally having this thought this morning, because when I jog on the treadmill here in the Madrona Hill studio, I'm staring into a mirror, like, to try to think about form and stuff, but then I end up just like Mr. Ed with peanut butter in his mouth. I just start kind of going. I start moving my lips around and checking out how the old chompers are doing. And I didn't like what I was seeing this morning.
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But anyway, I'm literally gonna write whenever light rail opened, and I'm gonna see if they accept that. I almost put in parentheses. Weird question, though. But I don't need to be antagonistic at this point, But I do think it's a question. Like, people don't think about when they started taking a bus based on year. Well, unless it might be like, well, I got a. I got the. I got my new job in 2022. And so that's when I started taking it. But it just seems like, oh, it won't accept it. It only wants a number. Please enter a year from 1999 to 2025. You know what, Luke? I think I'm going to bail on this. They've insulted me, but on the other hand, it's 250 bucks. That could get me out of a few jams, you know? Yeah, seriously, I need that money. There's. And what if I just keep writing there's a Hidden Valley Ranch party in my mouth?
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Honestly, it might cut through the noise. They were like, we're getting a lot of AI responses. Someone built a bot somewhere. But then we've got this other guy who just keeps talking about Hidden Valley.
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Ranch on the bus. Yeah, I am nine. I'll go with that.
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I'm the absolute worst person when it comes to remembering anything important in my life in terms of years, like the year that I started doing this or that. There's a couple of bedrock ones. I know that TBT started in 2008 only because it's just come up so many times in our conversations and that.
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When I write out it's the end of 2000 or.
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No, no beginning.
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The anniversary is in. I just saw it on my calendar. It's like, January 7th or something. I don't know what you're getting me, but yeah. Okay, so it was beginning of 2008. All right. Yeah, we.
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We came in hot. We ushered in 2008.
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Hot.
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Hot. But then today is my sister Rachel's birthday, and I was trying to remember how old she was turning. I was texting with Becca. I was saying, oh, yeah, it's my sister Rachel's birthday. She goes, how old is she? I go, okay, hold on. And Rachel, by the way, is a listener. Rachel's got, you know, our Friendship Wisconsin billboard sticker.
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Oh, yeah, I got a bunch of them. Does she need some?
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No, she's got them because she's a supporter of the show and she's got it on her. She's a waitress at this really cool pizza place. Italian restaurant in Bainbridge Island. On Bainbridge island in Washington. And she's got that sticker of us on her. Whatever you call that booklet that you have when you're a server.
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You know, when you're taking orders.
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Like, when you're taking orders. And. And there were some tens in the restaurant recently who. Who saw that and were like, wait, are you a 10? And she's not only am I a 10, I'm. I'm a. I'm a bro of one of those. I'm a sis of one of those co bros. Wow. But what I thought was, man, for all the people that don't know what TBTL is, they must just think my server has a personal injury attorney sticker on. Because it's like, it continues cranky, bored to bobble and bottle and even boggle the mind of, like, what it means if you know. You know. But let's be honest, most people don't know. But this is how I was. This is. This is what I had to do to reverse engineer Rachel's the year that Rachel is. I believe it's 35. Let me move this bell over here. I think it's 35.
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It sounded better in the first place.
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And this is how I. This is how I Got there. When I was a junior and played basketball at Jesus Creek High School, our basketball team would high five Rachel. We would run out, circle the court. And I remember Rachel standing on one of the bleachers, like the kind of low ones, you know, like, you know, they had the typical gymnasium bleachers. She'd be standing on the lowest one that was basically kind of right by the sideline. And I remember running by and the whole team high fiving her.
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And I remember she's a kiddo, teeny.
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Tiny kiddo, just a tot, but like just the cutest tot you've ever seen. And I think she was about three at the time. And so I was a junior in high school. So I would have been probably like 16 maybe at that time. Yes, 16, because that basketball's in the wintertime, so that means about 13, maybe she's 36. Somehow the ma. My point is this is how I had to do the math of her age was how old was she when I was high fiving her as part of the basketball team? And then what does that mean in terms of our relative age difference? And then what would that mean? Now that's how I got to that number, which may have been wrong anyway, but like, as opposed to just A, knowing someone's age or B, being good with, like, years and when things happen and when people are born. And I'm so all that is to say, if I get that. If I get that survey from Sound Transit, slash King County Metro buses, I mean, I got nothing.
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You'd be like, when did I High5 the EI5?
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When did Donald Whitehouse and I get on the. Whatever they used to call the bus that ran onto Aurora, ran along Aurora and go to Aurora Village to see the James Bond movie Octopus?
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Oh, that's right.
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That's.
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You were.
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That was the first time I took the bus by myself.
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You went all the way up to Aurora Village, Right.
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And you took culturally Kitty Corner from the Arby's. That's culturally Edmonds. Now people who are culturally Edmonds. Can I throw one?
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Yeah.
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Please do me this kindness. We have late breaking news. I know you noticed today, Andrew, probably that I took my time getting on the line for the show, and that's because I was on the phone again with Rick Steves. There's something going on with me and Ricky Steves because he is now going to be on Livewire December 5th at Benaroya Hall. So if you were on the fence about coming, please come see us Friday night, December 5th. Rick Steves will be there. I say this because he is not just culturally Edmonds, very much Edmonds and lives there. Now, from that, I guess, minor announcement to. Can we do our other announcement, Andrew, that we've been talking about?
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Can we do that? Can you just keep your finger off that for one second? Because I had a thought you were shouting out listeners earlier and I wanted to shout out listener Trevor, who is my neighbor here in the neighborhood, who I saw at that snacks show and Josh Fadden's show on Sunday.
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Are we any closer to knowing how his name is pronounced?
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You know, I feel like I heard it again and maybe it was. I think maybe it was Josh Faddom. Which reminds me, I think I saw a text come in that I never even quite opened. I think our buddy Hauser found a link to that Donahue parody that Josh had did, which I might play for you here or maybe just send along to you because it's very visual. But I couldn't find it on the fly yesterday. So I just wanted to say shout out to Josh. Thank you for letting me or offering to let me borrow your truck when I ran into you on the street a couple of years ago. Wait, not Josh listener Trevor. I meant listen, shout out to Josh. Sorry. Also shout out to Josh. I just didn't know Josh.
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Adam offered you a truck.
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He did offer me a truck.
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Buried the lead.
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He offered me a truck. But anyway, I just, I kind of. I forgot about that yesterday. And it was really cool to see Trevor and I think. I think Rebecca, although that might have been Rachel. I'm sorry, that's a blind spot for me.
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The. How old is she choosing?
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She's 30. She used to high five Josh Fatim when he come out from.
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I could use that truck, by the way. Yeah, I need that. Well, more on that in a minute. First, the announcement. We are going to be hosting a virtual TBTL holiday party on December 19th. It's Friday, December 19th. It's going to kick off at 5pm West Coast. And it's going to be much like we've done in years past. It's just going to be a chance to get together virtually with each other. Maybe pour yourself a little cup of holiday cheer and zoom it up together, you know, decorate your little square. If you care to bring the holiday pets around, hang out together and enjoy some holiday cheer with me and Andrew and John Sklaroff and the tens of listeners. It's going to be Friday, December 19th. That's all we can tell you about it right now because we're still figuring out the other details.
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No, no, that's good. It's going to be 5 Pacific Time. I don't know if you mentioned that and I missed it. Okay, so that's 5pm here on the West Coast, 8 on the other coast. You can figure out if you're in between. And yeah, it's going to be via Zoom. So you need to sign up in advance in order to get your invite via Zoom. And by the time you hear this, there will be a link at the top of tbtl.net and you just click that link and that's how you sign up for the Zoom on December 19th.
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That's right, the TBTL holiday party.
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Oh, and also we're asking folks if they want to participate to bring some stories along with them. Right.
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Oh, did we lock that in now? Did we lock in. What are. Oh, okay.
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Yeah, we're interested in your holiday traditions now. We've been doing these Zoom parties for a while now. And so I think most of our listeners know the deal. There's no pressure to participate. In other words, in order to like, you don't have to like raise your hand and talk on these things. A lot of people like to just chill on the line, enjoy the vibes as we, as we chat with some of the, the other revelers. But if you are somebody who wants to chat with us, the, the question that we're sort of organizing this all around are holiday traditions. Whether it's something you do personally or you and your family does or did. What is your favorite holiday tradition? Maybe especially ones that maybe are a little bit outside the norm, Although that's not necessary. But that's.
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I've already got mine. I've already got mine in mind. I feel like, Andrew, it might be. Well, I don't want to say that. I wondered if it might be a stretch for you because I don't want to say stretch but like, I feel like your relationship with the holidays is I get the sense you enjoy them, but I don't know how much you mythologize them in your own mind. The way that I tend to.
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Sounds like a man who forgot that I have a holiday sex swing.
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Save it for the holiday party and I want you sitting in it. When I see you on Zoom at 5pm West Coast, I would like you sitting in it, please.
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I believe it's a reprise of a joke I told you like literally 10 years ago. I remember I made you the beauty.
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Part of making jokes to me, didn't we?
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You said one time you're like, why do you look forward to Thanksgiving? And I said, because it's sex day. Or something along the lines of that. But anyway, yeah, no, we're going to keep it clean for the kids. That kind of blue humor that was just for the podcast. That's because you guys know that I like to keep it raw on tbtl, but during the holiday, parties can be very family friendly.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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Bring the kids. It's going to be a blast. Maybe I'll see if I can get Bubbles up here. I feel like the last time we did this, Bubbles lived with me when I was at my place in Portland, and it was kind of fun. People like to see the cat. I'll try to try to zhuzh up the whole experience here. The reason I said I could probably use listener Trevor's truck, Andrew, is because I am in a situation right now with this delivery. When this all happened, when I realized the magnitude of how badly I screwed this up, I thought of you, actually, Andrew. No, no, let me finish. Let me unpack that. Let me unpack that. Let me unpack that.
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I love it as it is. I love it as it stands.
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No, but that's the point of that is not that you would have screwed it up. The point of it is you would not have screwed it up because of how you approach these kinds of things versus how I do and when the. My approach can really bite me in the tuckus. So I would. So I'm having this next week or in a couple of weeks, my dad and I are going to tackle kind of one of the final projects here at the old Madrona Hill studio, which is there's one teeny, tiny bathroom that was actually the only bathroom in the house when I got it. And it is exactly as the people who owned this place before me left it, which is to say the paint color is a little. Not to my liking, and the general decor is not great. So we're going to kind of remodel that bathroom a little bit, just put some new fixtures in and whatever. One of the things I'm going to be putting in is a new. They call it a vanity. I've always thought that's the weirdest name, right? For, like. Although. Wait, am I. I actually might be wrong about that. When I say vanity, what do you think of as a. As far as, like, a piece of furniture, if you will, in the bathroom? A thing that would go in your bathroom, would you think of a mirror setup or would you think of a sink setup?
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Well, the weird thing is I think of them both combined as being the whole vanity thing. But now that you say that, I don't know if I'm right about that. We put one in downstairs. We ripped out the sink, and we bought a sink and the cupboard below the sink and a mirror above it. And it's not all one unit, but I'm trying to think of what. And then in between the two, we installed sort of a faux retro sliding medicine cabinet. If you can picture one of the small ones that sort of is, like, boxy above the sink. And it's funny, and I know we use the word vanity a lot. I just feel like the whole setup. Have you been Googling it? What is it?
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I just did to kind of double check in my own brain. And what the Internet is kind of making me think is that the. Basically the thing that has the sink in it and has the. The cabinets and the drawers and whatnot, that's what's called the vanity, which I've always in my mind. Also, if I picture a vanity, there's a mirror involved because it's got the word vain in it. It seems like the vanity would be mirror, mirror on the wall. But no, it has to do with the other thing. So I've got this vanity that I ordered, I don't know, a month ago or something that's going to go in this little tiny bathroom remodel that we're doing. And it's a fairly. Like the logistics of it are. Are actually kind of complicated, more so than I realized. Like, it isn't something that, like, FedEx is just dropping off. It has a marble, you know, the sink. The countertop, if you will, is marble. So I guess it probably weighs a couple hundred pounds. And it's not just going to be delivered by, like, FedEx or UPS or certainly the US Postal Service. It's got to come from some other, you know, probably on a semi truck or a fairly large truck. But there's kind of like. There's the people I bought it from who are now, by the. By the way, they're out of the game. They got nothing to do with it anymore.
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This is a company. This is a retail company. This was.
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It's a retail company. I bought it online. It also. I bought the. The vanity that's in my newer bathroom that I remodeled is from the same company, and it's the larger version of this vanity. And the reason that I. I wanted these two bathrooms to kind of have similar. Like, I wanted them to echo each other. So I went to the same company because I know they're reliable and they did a good job last time. So I bought the smaller version of the same thing. But they are no longer involved in the game. Now it's in the hands of these logistics companies. And it's not just one, it's the logistics company, then it's the delivery truck people. And then somehow it's some one more like Fulfillment Layer. There's a company called Diamond Delivery that's supposed to be dropping it off, right? It's on a truck. It was supposed to be on a Diamond Delivery truck. Then there's a company called Custom that's like kind of somehow in the middle of the. Between the delivery truck that's dropping it off and then a company called Atlas, that's the like shipper. So you got the company I bought it from. You've got the shipping company hired by the company I bought it from that's called Atlas. You've got Custom, which is a in between layer that does not have the truck but is also not the shipper. And then you've got Diamond Delivery, Diamond Dave Delivery, which would be great. Amazing. David Lee Roth showed up. I would, you know, I would have been around for that if I knew.
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And then there's like Red Rocker Delivery and they're competing.
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Both great, by the way. Both great delivery outlets.
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Yes, absolutely.
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I don't think it's even fair to compare the two. They're different, but great. But. So I get, I start getting messages like a week or two ago about this delivery and they're coming from like different numbers and they're saying like. And then by the way, they look not unlike spam messages because they're texts and they're kind of. I could try to find one on my phone.
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They're like kind of auto generated though.
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They're kind of auto generated. They're kind of a mess of like a link. Like a link, a phone number, some writing, but it's cut off. Like the kind of thing that the, the spam of the Internet is always trying to like throw at you anyway, you know what I mean? It's not like, hi, it's Michael from Custom Delivery Logistics. We have your vanity. You know, it's like, it's not written that way. It's just like a kind of a jumble of information. But so I got one of them and it said they were going to deliver this thing last week and I was out of town last week. So I called the number and I got a super nice person. I got to say this. I'VE been able to get people on the phone over this whole thing surprisingly effectively, and they've been pretty nice about it. So it's not really so much that it's like the customer service, like, sort of sucks or whatever. It's just I get somebody on the phone last week and I said, hey, I'm actually in D.C. this week. And my concern was if they delivered it to my house and it was sitting in the rain potentially for a long time, that was not going to be great for it. It's made out of wood. It's white oak. And so the person said was really nice. She said, oh, yeah, we'll reschedule it for Monday when you're back. I was like, oh, perfect. Well, actually, yesterday I was not back. I was in Portland. I was filming stuff. I was doing the show from Becca's house with you. And actually, as you and I were like, on the air, as it were, at about 11 o', clock, I start seeing a phone call on my phone from Battleground Washington. And I'm like, I don't know what that is, but I bet you it's related to this delivery thing. Well, what nobody told me at any point in this process was I'm supposed to physically be here to sign for it.
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That makes sense.
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It does. Although I get so much stuff delivered. I mean, I used to. It's lessened now, but then in the. In the height of it, I was getting so much stuff delivered. And what I do remember is when it's like, you got to be there to sign for it, they definitely tell you a lot. They're like, somebody needs to be present to sign. And I feel like I would remember that because I'm gone so much that that would have been a factor. For instance, last week when I talked to the very nice person on the phone and said, can we move it to Monday? At no time did she say, yeah, just make sure you're there to sign for it. That would have like, yeah, no, that.
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Is for a delivery like this. I think it makes sense. But, yeah, you got to let somebody know.
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A
Yeah. And it's not in the, like, none of those jumble texts I got said. Like, somebody has to be like, there's nowhere in the paperwork of this thing or the text chain or the emails where it says you have to be present to sign for this. Because again, if I would have seen that or if I ever would have heard that, I would have really factored that in because I want to get it. So yesterday, the guy tries to deliver it and I'm not here. And he tries to call me from his cell phone from Battleground Watch. I don't answer it because we're doing the show. And so then I just see. I was also, by the way, I'm tracking this whole thing on some other website that's had the logistics website. And it's like, out for delivery. You're the next to be delivered to. And then all of a sudden it just says goes error. At the time, I didn't know what error meant because it didn't say error. No one was here to sign for. It just says error. And then it says next. And it says delivery window, move to December 2nd, which is next week, which I'm also going to be out of town. I'm going to be in Miami. So I call them yesterday after I'm done with all my filming and everything. I call like, I don't even know who I guess I called custom. And they were very nice. And they looked it up and they were like, yeah, the problem was you weren't there to sign for it. So they couldn't drop it off, but they can now. It's back at the terminal. So it's gone back to the lake. The terminal. Sounds bad. Sounds like it might get back on a shit on a ship and go to China again.
- [27:31]
B
Terminal never has a bad connotation, Luke.
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A
Right? So it's like they're like, yeah, it's back at the term. And I gotta. I can't overstress. This guy was really cool about this. Like, he was invested. He was like, okay, here's what you got to do. He's like, we can't. And I'm sorry, this is. If this is boring to everyone, but it comes back to Andrew, basically how I need to be more like you. So I think there's a whole journey.
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B
Okay. Oh, I'm back in. I'm back in.
- [27:54]
A
Okay, I just woke up again. I'm sorry. What's that?
- [27:57]
B
Sorry, I'm trying to earn this 250 bucks from sound Transit. Go ahead. Go ahead.
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A
Yeah, so I just want to see you at your desk with one of those perpetual motion birds that's just clicking submit on this Sound Transit.
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B
To what extent do you agree or disagree that Sound Transit stations and stops, including Crosswalk street, streetlights, sidewalks and rail crossings, are designed to keep passengers safe while they wait and travel. Do I strongly agree that they keep those places safe? Somewhat agree. Somewhat disagree. Strongly disagree or I'm going to write a damn email. Disagree.
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A
Well, where do you come down on that.
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B
I almost want to click. Don't know. No opinion. I mean, it seems safe to me. I never feel unsafe. I guess that's how I guess I'll just answer strongly agree.
- [28:45]
A
I mean, I think you can give your honest answer. You don't have to necessarily try to forecast into the minds of other people and what their feelings are because ideally they'll also fill out the survey and they'll represent their experience.
- [28:56]
B
I'm gonna say I strongly agree. Okay, go ahead, go ahead. So now.
- [28:59]
A
So. So this guy is actually really helpful. Oh, by the way, and please don't at me, everyone. I'm also in my car sitting in bumper to bumper traffic trying to exit Portland while this is happening. So I've got the guy on speakerphone, but it is like, it's one of those things where like the. What do you call it? The shipping numbers and the confirmation codes are coming fast and furious. And I'm just kind of like. I've tried to, like, in a very safe way, you know, write down, like grab a pencil and kind of steer with my knee a little bit, but keep my eyes on the road. And also traffic is moving very slowly. I'm not going 50 miles an hour. I'm not even going five miles an hour. So it felt like, like, okay, I can do this without endangering everyone. I'm writing these things down on like a piece of scratch paper. The guy is like, look, here's the deal. We are not the people who. We don't have the truck. We don't. Are not the people with your vanity right now. We are the. We're a. We are the people who tell the person with the truck where to go. So what you need to do is get in touch with Atlas and he goes, and you. In the next hour, they need to send us an authorization reauthorizing us to redeliver it tomorrow. Which is today, now, right? Tuesday. Because if it doesn't get here today, then it's going to be like next week and I'm not around next week. And then it's going to be the following week and then the terminal is going to start charging me storage. Andrew. Yeah. Because this is now on me because I am taking delivery of this. Well, after the original date, which goes back a couple weeks now, it goes back to whenever it was I was in D.C. so I'm like, okay, thanks, man. Here's what you got to tell him. You tell him you just like stepped out for a minute. And I go, yeah, but by the way, no One ever told me I needed to sign for this. And he's like. He's like, yeah, yeah, I know they don't sometimes, but just tell them. Call them and tell them you just stepped out for a minute and you missed them and you need them to send us the reauthorization. But it's got to be in the next hour so we can reauthorize the delivery tomorrow Tuesday, which is. I'm here all day. And also, you know, this is my last chance to get this before this gets really out of control. So then I call Atlas, and I will say this. In Atlas, I'm getting a person on the phone who definitely sounds like they're Maybe English is not their first language. It just. You. Most of us at this point can kind of sense when this call appears to be moving outside of the United States. And that's the sense that I'm having. Oh, the person is helpful. Although they're also on some weird headset that I'm on my speakerphone in my car. They're on a headset where I kind of can't hear them. You know, it's kind of auto muting or something. It's like. And I'm like. They're like, hello, you know, Atlas? And I'm like, can you hear me? They're like, yeah, I can hear you. Can you hear me? I'm like, sorta. But. So I tell them, I give them the whole spiel, same thing. I'm like, look, this delivered. Nobody told me I needed to sign for it. I wasn't here. But the people at Custom are telling me you have to, you know, send it. And she's giving me this real kind of boilerplate sort of response, like, well, we have to. It's. There's a reshipment fee, and we have to email them about the reshipment fee and blah, blah, blah. And like. And. And I will try to do it, but. And I'm just, like, feeling like I'm not getting. What I want to get is somebody who's like, I gotcha. Like, I'm on the case and I'm gonna, like, take care of this for you, and don't you even worry about this for another minute. That was not the feeling I was getting. And yet, Andrew, yesterday. Yesterday was November 24th, right?
- [32:20]
B
It was at.
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A
This is like, what is it, 2:40 Pacific Time? So right after I called them. Dear Luke, this is from Atlas International. Dear Luke, thank you for contacting us regarding your delivery. We understand you are not at home during the initial delivery attempt and that a redelivery fee needs to be approved for the carrier to deliver the item tomorrow. Please be assured that we will send an email to the carrier today to approve the redelivery and ensure your order is scheduled for tomorrow. I mean, how's about that? So good customer service.
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B
That's good customer service. Did it say something about a fee? Did you say something to fee that I misunderstood there?
- [32:56]
A
I'm trying to get. Yes, there's a fee that I don't know what it is yet that is in question that I am trying to get someone who's not me to absorb.
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B
Okay.
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A
Because even though I wasn't here, which is technically my fault, no one ever told me that this was signature required, which I feel like is their fault.
- [33:11]
B
Okay. Yeah. So they're going to try to, they're going to try to absorb that then.
- [33:15]
A
Well, that's what I would. Would. If you read this, if you read this email from Mia Atlas International. Mia said, we understand you were not at home during the initial delivery attempt and that a redelivery fee needs to be approved for the carrier to deliver the item tomorrow. Please be assured that we will. And this is in bold, Andrew, bold. Send an email to the carrier today to approve the redelivery and ensure your order is scheduled for tomorrow.
- [33:43]
B
Okay, I'm not hearing anything, I'm not hearing anything in there, though. That said, I guess I just don't understand the language. I don't hear anything in there that makes it sound like you're not responsible for that. Fee says a fee needs to be approved. I don't really know what that means, but.
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A
But how about this? Please be assured that we will send an email to the carrier today to approve the redelivery.
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B
Sure.
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A
To me, that. To approve sounds like they're going to eat that cost. You also mentioned that you were not aware this is. I'm continuing now. You also mentioned you were not aware that a signature was required for delivery. We completely understand your concern and we'll review this matter with the carrier to clarify the signature requirement.
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B
Okay.
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A
That also sounds to me like, okay, we're, we're, we're going to make sure that the carrier knows next time they got to tell you to sign it. This is all to me feels like they're on my team. Like they've basically said, yeah, we're going to just send this thing back out to you at no cost to you. Or, you know, I don't see them saying anything about I have to pay for it. So I get up this morning I'm all excited. I've got cartoon bluebirds flying around because I'm going to get. Finally get my vanity. I mean, I've had personal vanity for years. Some would say decades, but.
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B
And then there's like, I'm waiting for my sociopathy to show up. I'll let you know.
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A
And so then I'm like, I don't, but. But what I'm not getting is a flurry of, like, weird text messages from the other people. Which is usually the way that I'm like, in. In the past is how I've kind of figured out that. That. That this thing was on the way. In other words, it's not Mia from Atlas sending me an email. It's weird random text jumbles from Diamond Dave's delivery or something. And I get up this morning and there's. There's no weird text messages from Diamond Dave saying, hey, you're next on the list. Or even saying, you know, I wish they all could be California girls or running with the Devil. And so I'm like, oh, no. So then I call Custom delivery. They're the people below Atlas, but above Diamond Dave's delivery. And I get a different but very helpful guy on the phone, and I'm like, hey, here's the whole story. I give him the whole story again, and I go, I have this email from Mia saying that they've emailed you to reauthorize it. He's like, yeah, but then we send them back what it's going to cost, and then they have to reauthorize the reauthorization. And until they do that, we don't tell Diamond Dave to bring the thing back to you. It just stays at the terminal. And I was like, well, what's the chances of this all getting reauthorized today by the various parties? And then coming out to me, you go, I'd put it at less than 10%.
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B
Oh, geez.
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A
Appreciate the honesty. And so that's basically where we're at now. There's no way this thing's getting out here today.
- [36:32]
B
No, it doesn't sound like it. And so that I'm not going to.
- [36:35]
A
Be around next week.
- [36:36]
B
I thought you were going to tell you that they're socking you with a fee, but we don't know that yet, because I still think that I'm not. I'm not as confident about that language as you're reading it, but I might not be. I just fully understanding the situation that a fee approval, I don't see anything in that message you read that says it sounds like they're waiting for a fee to be approved. I don't know what that means, but does that mean approved, somebody to pay the fee for you? Like. I don't know. I would just be careful with that one.
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A
Well, I'm. I'm obviously employing a bit of magical thinking with how I interpret the. The text message or the email from Atlas. But what it's not saying is the fee is a hundred dollars and we need you to pay it before we can authorize this, which would be one piece of information there, which I, you know, I guess, to be honest with you, I hope they don't hear this.
- [37:21]
B
I would probably pay that because I.
- [37:22]
A
Want to get the stupid thing up here. But like, I read that to be that they're going to try to eat the cost. That's what I'm hoping. But. But mostly what it is is now we've got three different entities and they're now just. And also we're going into a hall. It's a holiday week. That's the other thing that's really complicating this is that, you know, you got Thanksgiving and then you've got a de facto holiday. I don't. How do you feel about everyone calling it Black Friday? Like, not even retailers. I went into a place called Laughing Planet yesterday, which I love. It's a Portland. It's a local little, I guess you could call it restaurant in Portland. But they make a lot of really healthy, yummy food. They make a lot of like bowls and, you know, anyway would recommend Laughing Planet. Love it. They do this broccoli bowl that I like, crave sometimes. And I'm rarely in Portland at lunchtime. So I went there yesterday and as I'm going in, they had like, they were like talking about some new menu item they're rolling out. But the poster in the door said coming Black Friday.
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B
I hate it.
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A
And I thought, why are we calling. We're. We're Laughing Planet. Why are we calling this Black Friday?
- [38:27]
B
Yeah, I hate that. I, I hate that it's just becoming more and more of a thing and probably 20 years from now it'll even, maybe even the original roots of it as just being a sale day. Mighty like it might just be known as Black Friday.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And like, you know what I really hate about it?
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A
Dark.
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B
If I could future trip a little bit more. Feel like prime days are going to be doing the same thing. Like I. That's connected mostly to one company. But now because they came out on this day of sales, which I never partook in that really anyway. Not really a bargain hunter in that way, but. And I also. Whatever. I just don't care. But like, I feel then a bunch of other companies are kind of have their. I don't know, they try to piggyback on prime days or that they're not getting screwed out of people spending money on things. And like, honestly, I'm not trying to sound like. I don't know if you've heard, but like, there's a socialist epidemic going on in this country, Luke.
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A
I've heard it's communist.
- [39:19]
B
Oh, yeah. I mean, from New York to Seattle, my friend. No, I'm like. But the capitalism of it all is just so. It's grinding me down, my boy. You don't enjoy everything.
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A
You don't enjoy the idea of. Of national, if not holidays, at least days, having their entire existence defined by something that enriched Jeff Bezos.
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B
Yeah. And then Black Friday was just like. Black Friday's always been gross to me because it's also associated with, like, crowds, you know, deal hunters behaving poorly. Well, just like, can I say, by the way, that would be.
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A
I'd watch that show.
- [39:59]
B
Well, you have to get your parent to approve it if deal hunters are behaving poorly. There's a vhs. There's a three VHS set, right?
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A
Yeah. Can I just say quickly too, the thing about the term or the name Black Friday that's so weird is it's. It's origin is retailers are getting into the black. They're making so much money on this day that they're. They're becoming profitable. But as you point out, it's also really become like this day where we talk about, like, people stepping over each other to get to an Xbox, which is very dark and very kind of like. So it's.
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B
But that's not even as much part of it anymore, right? Because everybody's shopping online. So like, that's part of the origin of it. But is Black Friday? Does it still mean people are lining up? Like, I feel like. I'm sure there are people who do that, but I do. I feel like with commerce becoming e commerce, it's not even like that anymore. It's just.
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A
It's just a weird word. It's a weird way to describe it. Like, you know, when you talk about black, like, there's a day, it was like Black Tuesday. That was like a day that the stock market in the 1980s just collapsed. Thursday, I want to say maybe Black Thursday.
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B
No, Tuesday.
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A
It's Just one of those things where it's considered a. You know, its origin is a positive. We're getting into the black, we're profitable. But now it's just like. It feels to me like, oh, that was a dark day. That's a dark day when. When we're all just, like, spending a bunch of money to try to get a bunch of single use shit. That's. I'm also in a weird mindset with this because I've been, believe it or not, I've been looking into all of this kind of more locally made stuff. Yesterday I was at this place in Portland called Cycle Dog, where they make leashes and collars and things for dogs out of old inner tubes from bikes, because inner tubes are not recyclable because of the way that the rubber is, like, vulcanized, I guess, whereas tires are. They make this great. It's really cool, and it actually looks really good, and it's really functional. And I'm talking to the people. I'm talking to the people that are sewing it in the back room. I'm watching them, and it's really got me thinking about something. I think you're much ahead of this, much ahead of me on this, Andrew. Of just kind of like trying to not buy so much single or. You know what I mean? Just cheapo stuff that I'm not gonna have for very long because I want it in the moment. But I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I get. Anyway, I just. The whole Black Friday.
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B
Yeah, I hate the Black Friday thing. The prime day, even the. And then the Giving Tuesday, which I. I've. That always seemed forced to me. That's like the couple of days after Black Friday when the non profits try to get in.
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A
I mean, although, if you want to support live, where are we gonna promote that?
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B
But here's my thing about the Giving Tuesday thing is I feel like it's the worst day to send out a note for somebody saying, hey, could you give? Because, like, it's the day that everybody's inboxes are filled with that. I would do it two weeks earlier, two weeks later, and say, well, things are slowed down now. I want to say something about the Internet. I think of Black Tuesday first as well. But I was Googling while talking, and when I typed in Black Tuesday, for some reason Black Thursday showed up. I guess technically there was a Black Thursday, then a Black Tuesday, but everybody thinks of Black Tuesday first. And I should have relied on my mind and just agreed with you instead of looking at the Internet. Which made me sound like an idiot going around saying Black Thursday.
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A
But was Black Tuesday in the 80s?
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B
No, I think it was maybe a Black Thursday setup. Black Tuesday or something. I was sort of. I was scanning in the Sunday.
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A
The Cypress Hill record that I. Oh, that's right. On cassette tape. When the shit goes down, I want to go back to Be ready.
- [43:15]
B
I want to go back to when the ship goes down, when the shipping goes down. For a second here.
- [43:19]
A
Thank you, by the way. Back on track.
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B
I actually. I wanted to share with you a very, very short mystery story about shipping that I think is interesting. But before I get to that, wait a second. Didn't you want to praise me some or something? What would I have done different? Yes, in this whole.
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A
You would have.
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B
I would have never.
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A
This would have been something that would have been. First of all, you would have asked the question, do I need to be here to sign?
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B
I don't think I would have. Honestly. That gives me too much credit. I think I appreciate it.
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A
Well, let me put it this way. This is. I don't know if this is more or less credit, but let me put it this way. I bet you would have wanted to be home when it was delivered.
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B
Probably. I did have. You know, I had a little adventure in.
- [43:59]
A
So the babysitting.
- [44:00]
B
I had an adventure in babies. And those TBTL greatest hits vinyl is hopefully. I mean, still. Still in the process. I think that they're gonna be finished, being pressed in maybe about two or three weeks now. So we are getting close. But if you know this, Luke, I don't think I mentioned this to the listeners, but they needed to send us some test pressings of the album just to make sure it didn't have any of the artwork on it or anything. But just like they had to send us the actual vinyl ahead of time so I could listen all the way through and make sure there are no issues before the whole thing is. And then we send it out to our listeners. And I suddenly got an alert one day that those records were coming. I believe the day before I left for Cleveland, or maybe two days before I left for Cleveland. But then it said, I have to be there. It didn't note very largely. It said, signature required. So I saw that. And, boy, did that eff up my day, though, because. And it really made me go back to, you know what? We do need a better doorbell system, even if it's a ring doorbell or something, because all we have is a door that people can knock on right now. And I had to record with Hannah that day. And I was like, but I'm waiting for these records to show up. And they did something dirty, which was. It was like FedEx or something. And they gave a time window. I had never had a time window before, but maybe because it had a signature requirement, I was like, okay, well then I'm like, hannah, we have to push off the recording. I'm talking to you upstairs right now. I was like, I kind of got obsessive. I'm staring out the front window. Cause I know if I'm anywhere else in the house, I could miss the knock. And then I keep checking it and then we're outside the window. It never shows up. I check the website again. Then it says, oh, the window has now been extended until 10 o' clock at night or something. And so I was in this paralysis for my day because I needed to come downstairs, put on these big headphones and record with Hannah. But I was never going to know if I was going to miss the delivery person. And so we ended up. I can't remember. We ended up recording and then I just came upstairs. But I did this thing where I tried to lure the delivery driver around the house. I put a sticky note on my front door that said deliver driver. Because I knew a signature is required and I needed these records before I left for Cleveland, or maybe it was Arizona, I can't recall. But I was going on a trip and it was going to set the whole project back by potentially a week if I couldn't accept these things. So I put like my phone number on a sticky note and said, or come around to the basement door. And I put all these sticky notes around the side of the house. And so like, like, like, you know that far side where the. The dog is trying to lure the cat into the dryer and it says cat food, but it's spelled F U D with crude ARR. Put crude arrows on sticky notes all the way around the house, pointing down to the basement door, which would be where I was recording then hopefully. But I don't know if they would do that. I mean, honestly, it seemed like a trap. I don't know that I would have trusted my own notes.
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A
Well, see, I think what you've illustrated there is that you take these things much more seriously than I do. And I bet you that you got that album eventually and signed for it and it. That all worked out, right?
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B
Yeah, it.
- [47:00]
A
Did they come around to the basement or did you catch them upstairs?
- [47:03]
B
I basically I recorded. They never came during the recording. So I took my laptop upstairs. And then I went upstairs and did work. And now things were getting. I remember it was getting dark because it gets dark early now. And so anyway. But I was just sitting at the kitchen table or the dining room table, and then the fellow showed up and. Oh, it was right after things, or Halloween. I offered him some Halloween candy and he said no, but he seemed amused by it.
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A
So that's my point, is that you. Once you. I mean, again, maybe the difference was the signature required, but I just feel like these are the kinds of things that you just take more seriously and you schedule around and you're kind of thinking about it, but it's on your mind. And I tend to just be kind of like, I don't know, I'm in Portland and battleground Washington. And like, most of the time it sort of works out for me. But then this is an example of, like, how it can go. Because the other problem with this for me now is not only am I out of town the following week, then the week after that is the week we're actually working on the bathroom and we're trying to get it all done because I'm having a big family holiday get together on the 14th. The whole Burbank clan is coming together. And I'd really like that bathroom to be functional because there can be a lot of people here. And so it might not even have a sink in it if. And not to mention, how much am I paying in storage at the terminal? Oh, one of the things we got started, this whole thing talking about Trevor's truck. One of the things the guy said to me yesterday on the phone was, he was like, you don't have a truck, do you, that you could go to the terminal and get it? And I was like, nah, unless they can. Unless they could, like, fit it in the back of the interesting Mazda CX5 or whatever. It's like. So I guess maybe when my dad's here, we could try to go to the terminal with his truck or something. But it's just like, this is. My point is that my takeaway from all this is I should try to be a little more attentive to these situations and also dot I's and cross T's. And I've just gotten away with so much inattention over the years, and it kind of generally irons itself out. But this is an example of where my inattention is really gonna. Is really kind of biting me in the butt.
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B
Well, I. But on the other. Other hand, though, you're getting the big projects Done. Whereas I just look around. I mean, you talk about that, and I think about my kitchenette down here. I mean, there's so many things that need remodeling and redone here, but I just don't do it at all because I get. Because I'm just too lazy. I was talking about that with Hannah on Spotless yesterday, that I just. I keep things neat. I keep things clean for what they are. But then I look around, there's a million things I want changed. But in order to change those things, I know you have to live through a period of chaos, and I hate chaos so much that I'd rather live humbly but securely. Like Genevieve. And I need to replace this fan. Genevieve bought a nice new ceiling fan for us. And, you know, we opened up the box, we started to look at some things and start to put together a plan of how we're gonna replace this fan in the ceiling. But, like, Genevieve one day said, well, let me take it down now, because it'll be so ugly that it'll prompt me to want to get the new fan installed. But I said no, because then if we don't get the new fan installed, then we have a hole in the wall for a while. Like. And I don't. Like, I don't want. I don't want a hole in the ceiling. And she says, well, the hole. The ceiling is what will get it done. And so, anyway, that's my.
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A
You'll be absolutely shocked to hear that I go with the Genevieve approach. So on Saturday, the Saturday after Thanksgiving, my parents are stopping by here because they live here now and on their way to their timeshare in Seaside, and we're demoing that bathroom, and now we're not even going to be able to work on it for another week plus, but we're getting that thing demoed because then we're stuck. And you've pulled on that thread, but I know what you mean. That's a dangerous game, Dano, because if you then don't. You don't actually follow up, then you're just living in squalor for no reason.
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B
And also the thing that looks like a horrendous hole in the ceiling or whatever it is that you feel like, oh, I can't live like that. It also. It starts to bother you less and less with each passing day, and then you run the risk of just having a hole forever.
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A
So first they came for the ceiling fan, and I said nothing.
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B
Let me just tell you this, and this is not a super long story, but I Do think it's interesting. And it's actually Genevieve's story, but she ordered.
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A
I've told one story today about how I should be more like you. So this story should be how you.
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B
Should be more like me. Okay. All right. Let me see if I can. I'll see if I can work that in to the end. But Genevieve ordered something very simple via ebay, I believe, which was a shower curtain. And I think it. She got a notification saying that it was gonna show up in, like, a week or something. You know how it is. And you keep getting the updates, right? It's gonna be. It's here, it's left. It left New Jersey. I feel like it's always leaving New Jersey anyway. But while she's getting these updates saying when it's gonna arrive, it just arrives. And she opens the door one day, and it's sitting on the. On the porch. And the interesting thing, the first thing that seemed a little bit about this was it wasn't in any kind of packaging at all. It was like somebody had gone to Target or something and bought, like, a shower curtain. You can kind of picture it with the shower liner kind of thing and a little thing, and then there was a label on it with our address or whatever. I didn't see this, but she told me this. She was like, that was just sort of a weird way to package and ship something. But also, why not? Less packaging? It got here. Why not? Sure, no problem there. Just a little bit weird. But Genevieve said, but the funny thing is, is this arrived yesterday. But I keep getting updates that your package is on the way. And I can't remember what service this was, whether it was UPS or the postal service. But she keeps tracking this tracking number, and it keeps saying, okay, it's making its way to you now. And she keeps thinking, but I already have my shower curtain. It arrived, and she's really curious. She's like, maybe I'm going to get two shower curtains. And so now I'm kind of curious about it too. And I'm tangentially kind of. Kind of watching along. And then the other day, I think on Saturday, she said, well, I got the notification that said it arrived. And she said, you didn't happen to see a shower, Like, a second shower curtain or something arrived today? I'm like, no, we haven't had any delivery. She's like, but look, they took a photo of it, and then they show a picture of a box, and the box is way too big for a shower curtain, I think. And then Viva was Like, I can't tell if that's our front porch or not because, you know, it's mostly a picture of the box, and you see a little bit. I'm just like, that is definitely not our front porch. That is like a. Looks like a stone porch. There was a little decorative stone just in the corner of the photo. That's not even. I think the door was there. I'm like, you saw just a tiny bit of the door. And I'm like, I think that's a wooden door, not a painted yellow door. And so anyway, I'm just like, that is. So they were tracking a package giving Genevieve updates, delivered it took a photo. All the information seemed right. But then Genevieve starts, like, enhancing, enhancing, enhancing on the photo, and it looks like it's. It's a getty. I'm sorry. A yeti. A yeti cooler. Almost said a Getty cooler.
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A
I thought you were gonna say it's a Getty image.
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B
No, that would be. That would be really interesting. No, that would be. That would really be a mystery. Right? I think that somehow a tracking number just got totally jacked up.
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A
Up.
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B
Like, I don't know how to explain this somewhere else. Like, I hope that somebody got their cooler. I mean, we were sort of like, damn.
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A
I know, dog.
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B
It would be pretty sweet to get those yeti coolers. They can cost a pretty penny. They've been pretty cool.
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A
You got to fight a yeti for them.
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B
Yes, you do. But anyway, so I have no. It was just such a strange thing to be following this package that says, your shower curtain is going to arrive. Your shower curtain is going to arrive. We're like, it already arrived. What's going to show up? And then to say, okay, it's been delivered. Here's a photo of a yeti cooler on somebody else else's porch.
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A
See, I had a totally different theory of the case, which was there was some glitch in their matrix so that it got delivered early, but then they didn't realize that for some reason. So they're, you know, this. This company, whoever you know, is supposed to be sending the shower curtain is like, shower curtains on the way. Shower curtains on the way. And then the day that it supposedly arrives, of course, the shower curtain could not. There could be. There can't be a photo of the shower curtain curtain on your front porch because it didn't get delivered that day because it had already been delivered. And then they just went with, like, a Google image search of box on porch and that. They basically were like. They were Basically lying Pretty.
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B
Like, the driver would have done that.
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A
You think, like that maybe, or something like somehow that. I think your. I think your theory makes more sense. But mine was just that, like, basically they have some stock image that, like, basically, basically they're running it the way I want would. Which is. I don't know, man. I'm supposed to be putting something here, but I don't have it. But, like, also, it says it already was there. I just. Everyone stopped yelling at me. Let me upload a fake photo of something on a porch and just hope that no one's hosting a podcast about this in a future.
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B
Wouldn't that be hilarious if it literally had a Getty Image watermark on it? Like, that's what I. Hilarious.
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A
I just was thinking of, like, you know, what would I do in that situation if I showed up at the house and I look around in my truck and there isn't anything with the. That SKU number on it because it's already been delivered. But I don't want to get hollered at and I just don't want it to be like a ding against me. I'm just going to say I delivered it. I'm going to just Google box on porch. I'm going to crop it and then upload it into the system and just hope that it never gets back traced back to me. Speaking of. Do you know, this morning, this very morning, Andrew, I inadvertently intercepted and intersected with the supply chain of my neighbor's stuff, which was. Was this car pulls up. I'm coming actually from the house out here to the studio to do my little jog in the morning, and a car pulls up in my driveway. And I tend to know what these kinds of cars mean, which is they're private citizens who are doing Amazon runs.
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B
Yeah, yeah, I see those.
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A
Which is also. That is just. That whole world is shocking to me because she. She opens her trunk and she's got. She's got the Amazon vest on. She opens her trunk and there's a couple of boxes in there. But then also in the back of her car, just like the back seat of her car, she's like a random smatter of all different kinds of Amazon things. And, like, I'm just looking at it, thinking, so. And this is back to my other point about, like, I really may consider trying to kind of do what you and Genevieve have done, which is to kind of cut the cord with Amazon, because I'm looking at the back of this car, this like, Ford Fusion or something, and there's Just these random things in there. They're all sealed up Amazon bags and boxes. And I'm thinking, how many of these things are under $20? How many things are under $15? And how in the world can it be profitable to have this person randomly driving around this area with these random things? You know, a UPS truck, it's scaled, it's got lots of stuff in it, lots of big boxes. It's a route. I mean, that. That. The math of UPS maths for me with the delivery fee that's built into things or charges charged. Same with FedEx. This is a random lady in her Ford Fusion with like six things in the back of her car, many of which I don't think probably cost that much money. How is this. How is the math of this working? Other than people somewhere far away making it for far too less. This woman who's delivering this not getting paid enough.
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B
The.
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A
I mean, you know what? I'm just. I'm giving you the old. I'm giving the old Katie Wilson here, Andrew, but known communist, Known activist communist.
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B
Yes.
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A
But here's the worst part of this whole thing. This woman gets out. I'm thinking, I don't even remember ordering anything from Amazon, but who knows? Probably she gets out. She scans the white bag. It's like one of those white, you know, not Mylar, but plastic bags. She hands it to me like, thanks so much. I walk into the Madrona Hill studio. I greedily open it like a raccoon. Do I open it, like, in a nice neat fashion where I maybe cut it with some scissors like you probably would or whatever? No, I, like, just tear right into the middle of it.
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B
Well, that's never gotten you in trouble before in any relationships, so that's even a camera case. I couldn't even remember what the thing was. I know that it was a vintage.
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A
Leather camera case cover that I was giving as a gift, covering a camera with a big slash across the lens cover. Because I cut it up with a knife. Honestly, in this case, a knife would have been better. I tear this thing open and I pull out a grow light.
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B
Oh.
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A
And now I was like. I have ordered some Christmas lights recently that I don't know how far out they are, but I was like, is this from the same company? And they just like. And then I grabbed the. There's two things in the bag, and the one is a grow light and one is like some other box that I don't. It's a small cardboard box. I don't recognize what the product is. And I'm like, wait, what? And then I'm just trying to think, like, maybe these are the Christmas lights, but it's also a grow light company, and that's how they have the box. Box. But I just like. I like, look at the plastic bag that I've torn now. And I realize, oh, this is my neighbors. It is just brought to the wrong house. And luckily, the Amazon, the woman who's working for Amazon, is still out there. So I run out and I'm going like, hey, this isn't for me. Side note, there is a language barrier, you know, Tu ingles Esta me Jordan, mi espenol. She's helping me. I'm trying to meet her in the middle. It's not working because I'm trying to say, hey, this isn't for me. This is probably for my neighbor. Neighbor. This isn't my address. All in my very limited Spanish. And so. And the bag is ruined now. And I'm just like, I feel bad for this woman because it's like, you can't take this bag to some. You can't. Like, where does this go? Now? There's a grow light in the other.
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B
This is a neighbor, though, that was. Is within distance of you. Maybe it just makes sense for you just to drop it on their porch with a Note.
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A
That is 100% what I should have done. It's not. It's a neighbor. It's these neighbors that I have never actually spoken to, but I have waved at, if that makes sense.
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B
Sense.
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A
I've got the bees. I got Bob and Brian. They make a lot of appearances on the show. They're my most immediate neighbors. They're the guys that I know. I've talked to them many, many times. We cool. These are some neighbors who are a little further back. They seem generally friendly, but we have never really, like, spoken extensively in person. Had I had my thinking cap on, I would have just been like, let me handle this. But I didn't. I was like, I think this is for my neighbor. And then, like, the bag's all torn, and she's like. She's like, it's not this one. And I'm trying to say, I don't want to dox myself. I'm trying to figure out how to say their address in Spanish. And I don't know how to say a number that high in Spanish. So instead of, like, it's there. This won't give anything away. Their address is 311. And I don't know how to say 311 in Spanish. So I'm like. I'm like. I'm trying to.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I'm like, it's tres. Uno, uno. You know, like, I'm trying to. To. And so I give it back to her. And. But also, I'm just thinking, like, does this now. Does this go in a landfill? Because I did this, because I ripped this bag. Because it's not like the. I didn't even take anything out of the box.
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B
Like a bird. Not accepting her exact bird.
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A
I've touched this. I've touched this chick, and now the mother will reject it. Really, I'm just like.
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B
But.
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A
But nothing bad has happened to the stuff. I didn't. Nothing's out of the box. It's just the plastic. Plastic wrapping is ruined now. And I give it to the woman, and I'm pointing. I'm like, that's like, you know, trace. Uno, uno. And she's like, okay, okay. And then, hell if she didn't just drive right over there.
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B
You just drop it off.
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A
Drop it off. Which I think is a good outcome.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I'm hoping that they. My neighbors are just, like. They don't care that, like, the bag is completely ruined. They're like, I got what I ordered, by the way. I should have known it was them.
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B
Immediately because she might have stuck a note if she had a moment in her car or something.
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A
Something en espanol.
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B
Oh, yeah, Good point. So, hey, listen, I just realized something here, and I'm sorry, I'm being a little bit pushy.
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A
You have a delivery coming. I'm also being a little coffee signing for.
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B
No, We've been talking for an hour. We have to thank the donors. But this is the problem with when I step away from tbtl, I let good stories go to seed. As we're talking about this, there's something kind of. I don't know. I'm not trying to be degrading about it, but when you talk about, like, this, like, kind of a just a person's regular car, just filled with, like, you said, like, kind of cheap junk being delivered and how that ties into the gig economy and everything, it reminded me of, I guess, maybe the most amazing Lyft driver I ever had when I was in Cleveland recently. And I don't think it's a huge, long stem winder, but if we can maybe come back around to it.
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A
Yes. Can we do this? Can we thank the donors and then we'll do that. That'll be the rest of the show. And then tomorrow we can talk. I can talk about my streaming issues.
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B
Which is I'm actually curious about that. But I think you want to know about this guy who gave me a ride.
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A
I, I do. I want to know about him. So I'm saying I want to hear about that. I want that to be the rest of today's show. Well, the stuff that was on the list for today that we haven't gotten to, we'll. We'll port over to tomorrow because much to discuss with my lack of msn Ms. Now access kind of messing with me, like legit. I've been regularly googling how do I stream Ms. Now? And I've been regularly getting not very clear answers. So I do want to talk about that coming up. But maybe some donors first and then let's talk about the world's best Lyft driver.
- [63:50]
B
Best.
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A
All right, let's thank those donors. These fine folks are keeping TBTL rolling with their voluntary donations of dough. It's the only way that this can happen five days a week. And we want to thank Sydney McElroy who's in Grosse Point Park, Michigan. Ah, Sydney. I mean, everyone's name on this list brings me joy, but Sydney's name brings me a special joy. Sydney has been part of this show so since of the earliest days of us being a podcast only product. I remember, I believe I saw Sidney maybe in Chicago at Shuba's many a year ago and just being appreciative, like feeling like we got this is working. We have listeners in like Michigan, you know, and the Earl. I mean this was like the early days of me feeling like, oh, this might actually we might be able to continue. I mean, I would, at 17 years seemed excessive. I wouldn't have thought we're going to do it for 17 years. So, Sydney, I mean, be honest, but you made enough.
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B
You made a commitment, Sydney, and you're sticking to it and we appreciate it.
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A
We sure do. Thank you, Sydney. Thanks also to Erica Peterson, who's in Las Vegas, Nevada. That's one of your favorite places to be going to, to see BBC BW comedy.
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B
BBC, I believe big black comedy is coming up. Yeah, I'm looking.
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A
Cannot flipping wait to hear about how that show goes.
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B
That's going to be fun. That's gonna be fun. Anyway, thanks, Erica. Thank you, Erica.
- [65:28]
A
Maybe you should. Erica should go to the show too, just to be. Erica, I need you there.
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B
I'll let you know when I'm there.
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A
Yeah, I need a. I need like another set of eyes on this whole thing so that they can. I can compare Erica's version of Events. To your version of events.
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B
This is a comedy show that we're going to in Vegas. I've never been to Vegas before. It never mentions who any of the comedians are. It just lists famous black comedians and says, if you like them, you'll like these guys, too. And then it has an AI picture, literally an A. That is the most bananas part of the whole thing. And then they have a sizzle reel where they show comedians doing bits, but you never hear any of the jokes, because I think that's just put music over it. And they never identify any of them by name. I'm looking forward to it.
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A
I am. I am as well, Andrew. Thanks also to Mimi Halligan, who's in Haverton, Pennsylvania. I don't know if I know where Haverton, Pennsylvania, is.
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B
And is it definitely Haverton? Do you know that? Or Haverton Or Havertown? Have.
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A
Well, could. Can you say town when there's no W in it?
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B
There is. I'm seeing a W. Am I looking at this wrong? I'm seeing a W. You're looking at it right.
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A
I was looking at it wrong. It's got to be Havertown. I. Andrew, I just, like, erased that W with my eyeballs. Of course it would be Havertown. My bad. Sorry.
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B
I mean, not. I mean, sometimes town is pronounced you to please you.
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A
Listen, you. You don't have to bail me out of this. I'm not trying to.
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B
I just. Now I want to know, honestly. But I. I can't find. Find a reliable pronouncer here.
- [66:56]
A
Call the Tim Hortons and ask them how they pronounce all the Waffle House. Actually, the Wawa would probably work.
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B
Mimi.
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A
Thank you. I'm sorry, I probably mispronounced your town of Havertown, Pennsylvania. Sue Ladd is in Santa Fe, New Mexico. That's one I can say. I can say all the letters in Santa Fe. Been thinking about Santa Fe a lot because I've been watching Pluribus.
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B
Yeah, that's right. I promised you I'd catch up. I'm still a show behind. I didn't watch the latest.
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A
I watched the Way. Wait. Well, this is good that we've got to push today because I last night watched the Chair Company so we could compare notes.
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B
Yeah, Chair Company I'm up on But Pluribus.
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A
I know. I thought I was watching the Chair Company and you were watching Pluribus.
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B
No, I'm sorry. I did forget, I think. Let's see. I watched the Chair Company with Genevieve, so I needed to get her caught up on that. So I've now seen that show twice.
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A
I think I was. Last night, I was like, okay, I'm going to work. I'm clocking in, watching the Chair Company. Like, as if that's that hard, but. But. Okay, good. This actually works out, because I wanted to. I want to talk. Do you have the bandwidth to watch Pluribus tonight?
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B
I think so, yeah. And by the way, I don't think I did watch. I just totally made something up in my head. I just told you that last night, Genevieve and I rewatched the Chair Company so that you could see it. No, that was a. That was an idea that I had. But we did not do that last night.
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A
So I think I know the feeling. By the way, listen, I almost bought a bowling alley last night.
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B
Right. I remember that.
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A
The exact same premise.
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B
Anyway, that was weird. My brain just glitched out like that.
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A
Like, well, we'll text about it later to see if we can get up to speed. We can compare. And I think also, by the way, there's another Pluribus that drops. Is it Tuesday? That comes out.
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B
I think it comes out on Fridays. I will say this. I have. Even after watching the first three, I have some. I have an overall thought about the show that I want to run by you, but. Oh, you're leaving. Did the thing just arrive?
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A
Did your vanity arrive? No, I'm just trying to make. It's cold here, and I'm trying to make the. I have a little, you know, like a Vornado, like, little space heater, and I'm trying to. It's supposed to go, allegedly to 90 degrees. It's only going to 56h.
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B
You mean that, like, as far as the readout. You mean on.
- [68:59]
A
Yeah, the readout says 56.
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B
That's not warm. That's not great.
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A
It's not warm. I think that's what the room is right now. I think it's reading the.
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B
I don't.
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A
It's not able. It's not able to make the. The overall area here in the Madrona Hill studio warmer than about 56 degrees, which. That's almost air conditioning at that point.
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B
Oh, my God, Luke. Space Heaters plays into the story I'm about to tell you. Oh, good.
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A
Okay. You know who loves space heater stories? Sue Ladd of Santa Fe, New Mexico. And also Rachel Langan Lundmark of Olympia, Washington. Hey.
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B
Thank you, Rachel.
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A
I'm going to be driving right past you, Rachel, on Thursday, heading to. Or, actually, sorry, Wednesday night for the old Burbank family Thanksgiving So I will wave to you and thank you again for your donation, as I will. Thank you. Thank Dorothy Crutcher down there in Culver City, California. I will not be driving past Culver City. Although as I sit in this room where it's 56 degrees, I wish I was in Culver City, because it has to be warmer than 56 degrees in.
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B
Culver City, my old stomping grounds. I have such interesting memories of Culver City because I remember that was where I landed when I first moved to la. And so it's a mixture of being in a very different environment, living by myself for a few months, being very anxious about work stuff, but also loving places like Johnny's Pastrami and what was the little. What was the little bar there in Culver City? And I don't. I think.
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A
Oh, there's a few. There was backstage. No, but it wasn't like the Cozy Inn.
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B
No, this was a. I feel like it also was called Johnny's, but not Johnny's Pastrami. But it was something like that. But it was like old school elegance. And I was there one time reading my Game of Thrones books, and then like a man in a white suit and a woman and I believe a white dress came out of the back from nowhere and just started singing and seemed to shake everybody's hand. It was like I went back in time, but it was a tiny little place. I closed. Closed a few years ago. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
The piano bar. The piano bar.
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B
Johnny knows something.
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A
It's not that, but it's like, I.
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B
Believe they had their own instruments that, like, they brought. That's why I don't know if it was a piano bar that, like, I. I'm not 100 sure that you and I are talking about the same place, but I'll do a little bit of research.
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A
It's. It's not. God, this is annoying for the listeners. It's not Dantana's because that's a place that's. That's a. That's a Italian place that I love to go to, like on like Sunset or whatever that's over in, like, Beverly Hills area. But it has a name like Dan Something. Dan Flashes.
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B
Dan Flashes. Is it.
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A
Is it Trombles?
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B
You know what? I feel like it was. I feel like it was called Dear John's.
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A
Dear John.
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B
Dear John, Dear John. Do you know Dear John?
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A
Dear John?
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B
Okay, yeah, maybe I don't think of that as a piano bar. And is it true that it closed? No, I'm wrong about that.
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A
Well, it reopened and it wasn't the same. I've been to it on both sides of the reimagined imagining.
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B
How long ago was that? Like in the past five years or so or.
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A
It probably it. Probably so it was. It was the Dear Johns of legend was the whole time I lived in la and. And that was one kind of vibe. And. And then when I moved away at some point, I want to say maybe five years ago, the news was it's going out of business. And we were all bummed. And then it was like, oh, no, it got bought by someone. But then they kind of zhuzhed it up a little bit. Like it got bought by some younger people that like kind of made it a little bit. Bit. I feel like the last time I went. It was a little bit. I went there for dinner and I liked it. I mean just the sign is the same and the building is the same, but I felt like it was just. Had been updated a little bit because of the new ownership. So was losing a little bit of its. Like, oh, gee, Dear John's.
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B
Yeah, it was a little bit like we're. We're going to be. We're just a little bit trendy and so we're going to lean into. We're going to carry on the tradition, but in a more modern way. Whereas when I walked in there one time, I just walked in there because I just wanted to read my book and have. Have some drinks and some food. Food. And I sat at the bar and then I suddenly realized, like, what an experience this was. Like, these people came out again, like kind of like a couple maybe in their 70s or whatever. And I didn't know what their deal was, what their background was. They shake everybody's hand. Everybody's excited to see them. I think it might have even been around the holidays.
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A
It was just.
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B
It was like one experience I had in there that just blew me away.
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A
Yeah. No, that place is. Is legendary. And. And I'm. I mean, I'm glad it's still. Look, I'm glad it's still happening, even if it's a little bit.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Cooler than it used to be. Because I'm looking at some photos right now. The food looks improved. Okay. The food is definitely. Food was. The food was rough when I go there, but the interior.
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B
The first time. I thought you meant it was rough under the. That would have surprised me.
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A
Yeah. Round one, as I call it, like the OG Dear John's. The food was like very much nothing to write home about, but. But this. The photos of this food now on the new website, I'm gonna call it New. It looks much elevated, much more elevated. But the. But the interior of the place looks pretty much unchanged. That's great. I'm looking at that bar that you were sitting at, those red tablecloths, the whole deal.
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B
So I'm getting hungry.
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A
Dorothy, we'll meet you at Dear John's.
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B
And then Johnny's pastrami. We're going to do that.
- [73:45]
A
And then any other places in Culver City that. That have John in the title, which.
- [73:50]
B
That's right.
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A
Probably a shockingly high number of places. Anyway, thank you to all of our donors for making TBTL possible today. We could not do this without you.
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B
Hello and welcome to Top Story.
- [74:05]
A
All right, I just realized something that when I heard you saying you were forward proing, you were saying, you want to talk about this Lyft ride or this Uber ride? And then I said, world's best, as we were going into the donors, and you said, world's best.
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B
So, yeah, I'm trying to remember what I said. He definitely wasn't the world's best lift rider.
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You probably said most interesting or memorable.
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I don't know. I don't know what I said, but.
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Lay it on me. What happened?
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And again, I know that the show is a little bit long now, so maybe this stricture will be. Will be good for this story. But one thing that I've noticed yet, I'll start with a macro statement. One thing I've noticed about Lyfts, when you're using Lyft or Uber, any kind of rideshare stuff in Cleveland, it just hits different. I don't think that people use it as much there as they use it here in places like Seattle. Of course, Seattle is one of the earliest cities of rideshare services, so it just seems like maybe more part of the culture here. And not to make it sound like you don't get lifts in Cleveland, you wait maybe a little bit longer. But when I say a little bit longer, I mean instead of like calling a car and having it show up at my door in, like, literally one or two minutes, you have to wait seven or 10 minutes. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like a little bit slower and there's something about. And this could be the Midwestiness of it all, but, like, I think the driver in Cleveland always want to chat more. There's. You definitely feel like you're just in the back of somebody's car. Like, the type of car you can get is much More slapdash. Sometimes I'm in like a pickup truck. Sometimes it just, you know. So when I was there in Cleveland, and I'm. The story's getting a little bit dusty. And so I'm sorry if I. If I'm a little disjointed as I try to remember the details, but there was one night where I was meeting two different friends. Some friends for dinner and then going to another location to meet some friends for. For drinks or a friend for a drink. And so I had to take three cars that day. One to get to the restaurant, one to get from the restaurant to the bar, one from the bar back home late at night. And the first one and the third one were pretty unremarkable. The middle one, though, the one that picked me up at a restaurant and then took me to a bar, which was maybe a. Maybe 10 minutes away, was. It was. It was such an incredible ride. And I want to be generous to this person and not. I mean, this was a man who had. It was like he was in a competition for hard luck stories. This fella seemed like he would have been a character in some sort of holiday movie that was made by the kids in the hall hall or Mr. Show, because he wanted to, like, as you get in the back of a car, it seemed like almost like a John Candy esque, like, story of Whoa. Only he wasn't like John Candy character. Would have been more like, kind of cheerful about it all. I get in the back of this guy's car, and it's kind of a small car. And I get in backseat, passenger side. And the passenger seat, even though there's obviously nobody in that passenger seat, is pushed all the way back. And this is a small little car. And so. And it's leaned back a little bit too. So I get in and then I have this, like, thought, like, should I just not say anything? It's a short ride. Or am I gonna say something about this? And so I ask him. I'm in there for about a minute and I ask him, hey, is there a way to move this seat forward a little bit? I remember even saying, no problem. If not, I'm just a little bit cramped down here. And he's like, oh, yeah, no problem. He, like, reaches over and he kind of grabs. It's not automatic, right? So he grabs something in the seat and moves it forward. But as he's doing that, this is why this is relevant, if it is at all. He says, yeah, this is a rental. I had a. Whatever year. It was like he Had I was driving us like an Escalade or something like that, some sort of big fancy suv. I don't, you know, I don't know cars, but it had some sort of major brand name associated with it that made me think it was like a higher class car. He's like, yeah, hit some black ice. Now a little bit more context for.
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This is called that Black Thursday.
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Well, some people call it Black Wednesday. Lou this is, it's just turning to winter on this particular night. I know it sounds weird to say that, but like, I swear to God, this was the day it went from fall to winter in Cleveland because it had been nice and fall the day before, but now the temperatures had dropped precipitously. And all over the news was that snow was coming a big, everybody was concerned about this big snowstorm. I was a little bit concerned about getting out out the next day. So it's not snowing at this point, but like snow is kind of in the air, right? And I, and he's immediately saying, yeah, this is a rental because I wrecked my other car on black ice last winter and it's going to cause and it was, it cost me like six and a half thousand dollars or something to get it repaired. And I'm already a little bit confused like why, if this happened last winter, why are we still driving this rental? But what I also learned learn, and this is what kind of got me thinking about this gig economy is like, this is a rental through Lyft. And I've talked to some other people about this as well. I mean, it is amazing how these companies seem like they should be illegal.
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What they, I mean, usury at its absolute.
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It is sort of clear. So you know that. So we don't have to get into that right now.
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LISTENER how about, how about 20 seconds on it for the listeners, which is these companies like Uber and Lyft will rent you or lease the car to the driver. Driver. So if you don't have a car at all, but a clean driver's license, you could be a driver for one of these companies. But the, the problem is it is so expensive to lease the car from them that you end up just driving a crazy amount of hours in order to just make the payment on the rental car every week. And they don't even let you drive very many personal miles. So in other words, it's not just like, well, I've been driving all week, but I get a car out of it. Because when you're not, when you're not flying your little flat That's a personal mile. And they're very limited on that. They're limited on that.
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And you have basically your first night of work is basically for the company. Like the first half a night, maybe your first four hours or five hours, you're just driving for the right to drive the car.
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It's an absolute trap. It's such a really awful. For the driver.
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So. And again, I feel bad for this guy. I mean, this guy was a. This guy. His stories were so over the top. It's hard not to laugh about that.
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Them.
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But also I do feel bad for this poor sb, as my dad would describe him. So he says. So he puts the C4. He's like, yeah, this is a rental. Had this, like, you know, whatever it was, maybe just Cadillac make some sort of suv. Like, I had something like that.
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Oh, yeah. An Escalade is a catal.
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Okay, There you go. So I think. I do think it was an Escalade. And he tells me, it's like. But I hit some black ice and like $6,000 repair or 6,800 or something like that. And I. I'm trying to move the conversation. I'm like, oh, you a little bit nervous about driving tonight night? Because I'm like. I'm thinking because the snow is coming. I'm not worried about anything. I'm like, okay, buddy. He was like, just sort of like a little. Is irascible or. I don't think that's a word. Yeah. But he's.
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Whereas, like, everything you say is slightly the wrong.
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Yeah. Like we're not.
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Answer like, are you worried about tonight? I don't. I don't worry about anything.
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And I only mentioned that because I don't. This isn't a spoiler. Later on, much later, as he's dropping me off, he's like, hi, I wonder if it's going to snow later. I'm like, yeah, it's going to snow later. Everybody's talking about it. That's why I asked you. I didn't say any of that. But he, like, didn't even know that snow was coming tonight. And we were just on different levels, sort of. But that's not the point of the story. The point of the story was he's telling me about his financial woes with this truck. I kind of am not following it. He starts telling me how the comp. The place that's been fixing it again, Luke, for almost a year now has now put a lien on it because he still owes him $2,200. But they say they're not going to finish job unless he pays, but he doesn't want to pay. And it gets into this whole thing, which sounds like really sad. But also he's telling me how he keeps writing to these companies. It was very much like your story before. About the. About the delivery? No, but there was something going on with. With Lyft and him renting this car and how he's not getting answers and how he's on the phone with them all the time. It's just like this guy, it sounds like he's got a lot of negative energy. Sounds like the world has not cut him a lot of people brakes. But he's just kind of starting off with all of this. But he also sounds like he's a complete pain in the ass. Right, Right. But then we're driving, and I don't know how this comes up, and he's like, yeah, it's cold. I got to start heating my apartment. The heat. The heat doesn't work in my apartment. That's right. He says he's talking about how his truck is busted. He's like, Then I find out that this piece on my thermostat, or I think maybe my furnace breaks. And they tell me it's going to be like $800 to fix that, but I don't have that because I don't have any money, and all my money's tied up and getting this truck fixed. So I'm heating my house now by turning on all of the gas burners in my stove and putting a box fan there so it blows around the apartment. And I am like.
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Makes me thankful for my little 56 degrees.
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You're what now? Yeah. And he said, yeah. He's like, no, I got a whole system. I'm like, I think the very first thing I said was, you don't have any pets, do you? He's like, no, I don't have any pets. I go, okay, good. I'm like, you got to be really careful, man. I'm like, you got to be careful, man. And he's like, And I'm not trying to get too involved here, but to the degree that I want to talk to him, just like, you got to be careful. He's like, I got a whole system. I got a whole system. But I can't leave them running when I'm gone, so it's going to be really cold when I get home tonight. And then I light four of them to heat it up fast, and then I go down to two for the night. And I'm just like, dude, that is dangerous. I'm like, why don't you just get a space heater? Oh, no, the space heaters don't work. I had one. It doesn't work as well as this. I'm like, there's no way. Yeah, there's no way.
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This is better than a space heater. We're talking about energy transfer here. There is like, I promise you, a space heater would heat that place better than.
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And honestly, like, this story doesn't really have a power out. And really, that's the peak of it. When he's telling that, it sounds like something like somebody's making a modern Dickensian story about how he heats his house that way. But then he goes on and into talking about how two Sundays ago or three Sundays ago, he's driving this Lyft car that, you know, he has to drive to pay off, basically. And it's his very. I'm trying to remember when his week started. It didn't matter. But he has to drive all the way to the east side, which is far away from where he's kind of headquartered or where he lives. And then he gets a flat tire. He goes to put on the donut, but there's no donut in the rental car. So he calls Lyft, and Lyft, they send out roadside service. And he tells him, you got to bring a tire. There's no donut. They're like, we don't do that. And he's like fighting with them about that. He has to. To, like, they. The tow truck comes and only tows him to the nearest garage, which is on the east side. He has to take another lift home, but he's like, I can't afford it. I got $5 in the bank. He's like, the Lyft won't give me a ride home from this place where their car got a flat tire and they don't have a donut that I can replace it with. And he's like, I got to call my sister in Grand Rapids so she can send me $20 so I could call a Lyft to get home. And. And again, part of the reason I was thinking about this story is just like you said, the usury and the way these gig economies just hold these people over a barrel. And it was so sad. But he was also an incredible character. He mentioned that. Oh, that's right. He was really sad. He mentioned in the beginning that his mom had just died and now he's going back. And so it's Sort of like maybe he was living with his mom. It was just volunteered out of nowhere. But it was just like he kept on. He kept on trying to up the ante of how sad his life was.
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He.
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And then he somehow switches. The last conversation we have is how young he looks for his age. He said, just had my birthday. I'm like 6. I'm like 50. I'm 59. Or I'm 61. I can't remember what it was, but I look like I'm 45. And on the apps, I just don't even tell my age. And all of a sudden we're into dating apps. Yes. He never says the dating apps. He just says on the apps. And almost all of this, for about eight to 10 minutes, has been one uninterrupted flow of conversation coming one way basically from him to me without me giving any prompts. One thing is just leading to another, leading to another. But he starts talking about. He's like. Then people are like, you look good for your age, but I don't put the age on there. It's not lying if you don't give your age. But then, of course, the women meet me and they say, well, have a good time. But then they find out I'm only 40. You're 60. I can't do that. And then they all break up with you. And he's just, like, rattling on all of this stuff. And that was.
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Was it Mike from the Chair company?
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It was that level. That's what I'm trying to say here. And I'm not doing a good job with the story because it has no narrative arc, but this guy was an incredible character who I both legitimately do worry about, but also wonder how much of this was bullshit, you know? Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I mean, exaggeration, Exaggeration. Like, you definitely. You know, I think there is something there in. This is so anecdotal, but I do sort of feel like there's more emphasis on tipping maybe, like, whether it's when you get one of those cars where it'll have a little sign on the back of the headrest that says work for tips or, like, various things. And I do feel like I hear more sort of sad bastard stories from folks there. And so. And also because. Because it's. The rides there are so much cheaper than what I'm used to here in Seattle because of surcharges and all this stuff in Seattle that are based around worker protection. I'm for that and everything. But it's like a ride in Cleveland is so much cheaper that I always err on, you know, kind of like leaving big tips for these folks, especially when they seem a bit hard on their luck. And they all do, by the way. Like, they're all working. Like, the woman who drove me out there was talking about how she's driving late but has to get up super early for her real job in the morning. You know, like, all of the folks. Folks are just. Who are driving these cars are just. At least the ones that I met in Cleveland. I just seem like they're barely keeping shit together. So I try to, you know, be conscientious of that when I'm tipping them. And so I don't know how much he might have been exaggerating this stuff, but it just. It was amazing how it just like one sad story after the other made you sad in different ways, right?
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Because it's like, obviously somebody who's going through that stuff, you heart. Your heart goes out to the them. And yet also, there is a point at which it's just kind of like, I don't want to victim blame, but it's like, all right, there are some. Probably some different decisions that you could make in your life that might mitigate at least some of this. Which is not to say that when people have. You know, when bad stuff happens to people, it's their fault because they didn't just, like bootstrap enough. But it's weird when that tipping point happens in your own brain, because usually the initial. Initial. Whatever the context is the initial. Like, if you're talking to somebody at the bar or whatever, somehow you end up talking to somebody. Maybe it's on the airplane and it's like, oh, man, this person's got some. This person's really going through it, or they're really having bad luck. And then when you hear, like, the eighth story that just is like, topping the seventh story about how kind of, like, how kind of how unlucky they are, it's weird how your mind shifts to like, okay, but kind of like, what role are you playing in some of this?
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And also, I mean, it was the dating stuff that had nothing to do with his financial situation that I was also like, he's talking about. Like, first of all, why are you even telling me about this? I didn't bring this up. You brought this up. And it all just started with, you had a birthday, you look young for your age. And now you're telling me about women being mad at you when they find out Your actual age. I'm also like, what are these?
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I think they're more mad about the fact that he's heating his house from the stove.
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I think they're more mad about, like, anything that he said from the.
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I feel like when they go in the house, they're not. They're less mad about him being 60 than they are about how he's heating the house.
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They're not going to the house, Luke. He's not. They're not going to the house. That's what I mean. Like, the moment he sits down at a Panera Bread, I think they're getting up.
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So you're saying he did look 60?
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That's exactly what I'm saying, yes.
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What. Also, what an interesting. This is why people are so. People are so fascinating. We're all on this journey and we're all kind of. We're all doing it our own way, and yet there are similarities. And. And there are. And there are real differences. But, like, I also. Can. I also know what you're talking about where, like, I've talked to somebody who, let's just say, maybe by their own description, as you're. As you're saying, with this fella. By their own description, kind of like they're Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. But then there are also these other areas that they're just, like, they have an amount of confidence that I can only envy.
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Right. Yeah.
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Like, you know, like, this is all in the same person. Of, like. Of like, you know, the stuff you've already discussed about how kind of financially strapped this person is, etc. All. All this. And then it's like. And yet he self reports being a handsome devil.
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Yeah, right. Yes. And he's like, he's proud of how he looks. And. And of course, like, it's. It's the women. It's not about his personality all at all. I'm trying to think, even if he said the girls or whatever, I'm trying to remember how he talked. It was a very interesting experience. But, yeah, like. Like, somehow, like, it's. It's just the age when they find out the number, they're no longer interested in me.
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And like, there's nothing to do with Buddy.
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Buddy? Yeah. Like, I think, come on, we're all adults here. Anyway, I wish him the best, but honestly, I. That story of. He's like, oh, I got a system. I turn on all the burners with a box fan and I'm just like, oh, my God, I worry, Luke.
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Well, it's. It. I. I'M I wasn't. Just. Not just because we were talking about the fact that I can't quite get the Madrona Hill studio up to heat here as a. I'd like. But when I came home on whatever day I got back from my trip, you know, the. Well, actually even just Monday, because I was gone. So I turned all the heat off in my house and I came back and I had that experience of like, oh, it was last night. I got home last night and it was like, oh, you know, it's chilly in here. Let me try to turn on. I've got a mini split that creates heat. I've got this pellet stove that does heat. I've got a few other things. I kind of turned it all on. I got a sniffer who I let out out, and. And I was like, I was. I was turning these things on and it was like taking a little while to heat up. And you know, the thing is that's kind of like how thermodynamics work, I guess. If you walk into your house, if it's 40 degrees outside and you walk into your house and the heat has been totally off, maybe what I should have done is I should have been running the mini split, you know, at like 60 degrees while I was gone. So that there's a baseline of, like, kind of generally I didn't do that. So it was just like. It was like, cold. It was like being outside. And then it was taking a while for the heat for the room to become comfortable. So I'm like, sitting under a blanket and I'm, like, doing a little more work on my laptop. And I'm going into this weird thing that I do where it's like, I messed this house up. Like, I didn't have, you know, I didn't have an H vac system installed because I was told that the mini split system is fine. And. Da, da, da. And like, this is not how. Like, this doesn't. This doesn't feel like a warm, cozy house right now. It feels like cold. And like I've. Somehow I have. Because I am totally. I'm like 100% responsible for everything that's good and bad about this house now. You know, because of. Because it was all my idea. Every. Every design decision was all me. And again, in this day and age, most of the time, like, this house never had any kind of a central H vac. Like, it never. Like, unv's probably have those vents in your floor, right?
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Yeah, kind of. We have vents around. Not baseboard, but. Yeah. Vents around on the wall and stuff?
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Yeah. Well, baseboard is electric, right? Because that's the actual. At the base of your wall. That thing that's. Is that what you have or do you have the thing that's a vent? That's. We have.
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We have various vents around the house.
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Okay. Are they. Are they pretty effective? Like when you turn the heat on, does the house warm up pretty nicely?
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Yeah. You know what the funny thing is, is sometimes when you stand close to it, it feels like it's cool air coming out, but it actually warms the house.
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Interesting. Interesting. Well, I just. Because this house never had that kind of. Whatever that's called, you know, forced air heat. I guess maybe it never had that. It had just like. It was like. Basically. I didn't make this house worse, that's for damn sure. It was worse when I got it. Like it had a couple of non functioning heaters that were those kind that are built like they're in the wall, but you got to go turn them on by hand.
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Individually. Not individually.
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And they're heating up these coils and they're. Those are. They were old. They're fire hazards, you know. You know, it was like. But somehow in my mind I just like went into this mode last night that was just like I. I did not think this house through. I did not think. I don't know anything about home construction or like heat distribution. This is never going to be cozy. It's weird because I don't like, I don't think of myself as a spiraler, but like I start spiraling. So then this is what I do next. I start like I go on the website. So I have this. I have a heater in my bathroom, the bathroom that I redid. That's an infrared panel heater. Are you familiar with these at all?
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Only if you mentioned it once.
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It's a kind of interesting concept. So it's. This is kind of a. I don't know, this is sort of a popular new thing, I guess. But it's like a flat panel of glass that is like white or black or whatever. And you plug it in and it's the reason that it is considered more efficient. Efficient than like a space heater one. It's totally silent, which is pretty cool. Whereas you know, any other space heater use is going to ultimately have a fan because that fan is what's then distributing the heat that's coming off of the like electrical, you know, coils or whatever. And the way an infrared heating panel, if you call it that works Is. It's the weirdest thing, dude. It's like. It's like very hard to. It's still hard for me to understand. It doesn't heat up the room. It heats your. You up when you are inside of it. Isn't that crazy?
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You know what this is like? This is like those bone conducting headphones that everybody always tells me they get. It's just like, I feel like we have these devices now that are like. It's like, no, no, no. The room isn't warm, but you are. No, no, there's no sound being.
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That's literally what the.
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It's being. It's rattling into your skull. Which again, everybody says that they love them. I've gotten more recommendations for bone conducting headphones, but I'm not trying to diss on them.
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But it's not the bone conducting headphones.
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Yeah, I just. I can't wrap my head around this. No, no. The room is cold, but you are warm. That sounds scary. It sounds like a microwave.
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Okay, so that's what's so nuts about this. So I have one of these in my bathroom, and it works great. So what did I do yesterday? Andrew spent about a thousand dollars worth of bone conducting infrared heating panels to put around the rest of my living room in these and entryway and basically parts of the house. House that would not get warm yesterday no matter how long I was running the fire and the thing. Eventually, like, you know, 45 minutes in, the place was toasty. But it's like. I don't know. I just. I panicked. I panicked and I bought a bunch of infrared heating panels.
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And they do work.
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They do work. That's the crazy part. When I go in my bathroom, I feel warm and I'm levitating.
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But when you walk. But when you walk into your bathroom, do you feel warm? Warmth?
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Like ambiently?
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Yeah, ambient.
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I can't tell the difference. That's why it's craziness because it's like.
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It's definitely just gonna sell you these pills that are gonna tell you that you're warm. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not trying to rag down this thing. It sounds like it works for you, but it's like. It's sort of like, oh, well, no, we don't sell heaters. We just sell you pills.
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The sense of being warm body so.
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That you think you're being warm or something. Like, it's so stupid.
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That's effectively what it is. It is crazy. And also it kind of works. Like, I walk into the bathroom. I'll go into the bathroom to pee in the middle of the night and I'll just be, I'll feel warm. I'll be like, oh, that thing is on. But then when I'm not there, it's not heating the room. It is not expending energy to raise the ambient temperature in the room. But it is the case that when I walk into the bathroom, I feel physically warm because this thing is bombarding me with some kind of invisible heat pills. It's the strangest.
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How does it work? Well, invisible heat pills, I'm not even.
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Here to advocate for it. I'm here to advocate for mental health solutions so you don't spiral and buy a thousand dollars worth of heat panels. But you know what it was is I'm having this family get together for Christmas. And by the way, there is. The house is going to be warm. There's going to be 25 Burbanks in here watching the Seahawks play the Indianapolis Colts and screaming our heads off like, it is not going to be cold. But I, but I have just like when I was in, when it was like sibling fest was gonna be happening and I started to like, spin out. I'm spinning out now about this Christmas thing, which is, oh, everyone's gonna come over and it's gonna be freezing and like it's gonna be uncomfortable and we're not gonna have a fun time, which is not realistically a threat. But my anxiety goes to this crazy place with stuff like this.
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Your family is gonna be warm because they throw off a lot of BTU Burbank thermal units.
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Oh, man. Dude, the BTUs are gonna be off freaking charts. Yeah, but there's something about that guy. Oh, you know what other thought this is? Okay, and then we'll wrap this up because I gotta go do a hit with KLCC while you're posting today's show. Andrew. But that's neither here nor there.
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Is that tv?
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It's a, it's. It's the public radio station in Eugene, Oregon. Spread the good news of Livewire down there.
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News.
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But when you mentioned the, the lift driver and the like the, the blasting the heat from the stove, I had the thought last night when I couldn't get the house warm. I wasn't going to do this and I wasn't going to use this as a reasonable way to heat my home. But I thought, huh, I bet you if I turned my oven on full blast and left the door ajar, it would actually warm this place up more. Which is something you hear about in again like Bukowski sort of situation.
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Yes. You know, and. And newspaper reports, ports.
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And also. Well, no, no, no, I'm not. And also I'm not on gas. It would be. I also don't think that my. I don't think my stove will let me do that because it's one of them LGs that you have.
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B
Oh. And it's too smart.
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A
I bet you it's too smart for like. And also I'm. I'm on electric. So it's. And I'm not going to do that. But I just. It's funny that that thought like went through my mind last night of like, well, that's a thing that people have done historically. It's not a great idea. And then today day, as if I manifested it. You know what it makes me think, Andrew, that I can just imagine things and they'll happen.
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B
Some people do. Some people imagine things. You know, I need to rewatch that.
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A
You made me think I could make things happen.
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B
It just occurred to me that I might. We have something going on tonight that might prevent me from watching Pluribus, but I'll let you know. But I still.
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A
We can Tomorrow can be 100% sure we can.
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B
But we can also still have. Because I still want to ask you something about Pluribus, but.
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A
Yes, and I'm happy to answer it.
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B
You know, it did not occur to me and this is maybe where I. I mean either way, it's bad news bears. But I've only been picturing this guy with a gas stove. Do you think he was turning on electric burner?
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A
My guess would be electric because that.
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B
Would throw off probably more ambient heat.
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A
Well, and it would be less of a. It'd be less of a gas, you know, natural gas leak hazard.
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B
It must have been electric. This makes so much more sense. Cause I have a gas station. I'm like, I know that it heats what's above it, but I was picturing a fan sucking those flames kind of.
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A
Being pushed by the air.
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B
Exactly. I'm picturing the fan like kind of like the fan is sucking the hot air from the flames or whatever, like kind of in front of it. But I mean, listen, all of the scenarios are bad, but electric burners makes so much more sense than gas. This whole time I've been picturing gas. I'm just like, this man is going to. Going to do. Something terrible is going to happen in that apartment.
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A
I assume it's an apartment. My now my fear is I am. Isn't it weird what I pictured was the. The box fan is. Is on the stovetop or the range, but it's blowing across the burners, the elements, instead of sucking the air from the elements.
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B
I had it. I had the opposite of you.
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A
No, no, I'm not saying you're wrong about the thermodynamics. I'm just saying that's how I pictured it. And then my fear is in the night. The. Because, you know, it's plastic. You know, this box fan is plastic.
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B
Oh, God.
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A
And it's just falling onto those, like red hot.
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B
Yeah, right.
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A
And then just melting. And then like that whole situation, like you said, none of it's good.
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B
Yeah, it's. It's bad. News Bears. I hope that guy's okay.
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A
I do, too. I do, too. And. But yeah, gals of Cleveland, don't go back to the apartment.
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B
Please do not go.
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A
They know everyone's safe.
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B
Nobody is going back to his apartment.
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A
Yeah, I don't. They don't even need that piece of advice. Yes, this is. This system is self regulating, I believe.
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B
Yes. The safest people in the world right now are the people who are not going back to his apartment.
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A
All right, that's going to do it for today's episode of the program. But we are going to be here tomorrow trying to figure this life out together. So please join us for that. In the meantime, have a great Tuesday. Stay warm, everybody, and. But safely stay safe. Safely one.
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B
Yes.
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A
And please remember, no mountain too tall.
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B
And good luck to all, but especially that one guy. Power out.