#4606 Never Cross Streamers

Summary

TBTL Episode #4606 "Never Cross Streamers" Summary

Date: November 26, 2025
Hosts: Luke Burbank & Andrew Walsh
Theme: An endearingly rambling pre-Thanksgiving episode featuring tales of streaming woes, karaoke technology, Bluetooth frustrations, and the never-ending quest for hassle-free modern living.

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Overview

Luke and Andrew bring an extra hearty helping of tangents for this Thanksgiving Eve, riffing on everything from high-tech karaoke setups to the ever-shifting landscape of streaming services. The main focus: Luke’s frustration (and eventual breakthrough) in switching TV streaming services amid the chaos of changing broadcasting partnerships. Along the way, they detour into Bluetooth speaker tribulations, appliance tragedies, and tales of embarrassment—and hilarity—in work and life.

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Major Topics and Key Moments

1. Pre-Show Banter: Butter Eating & Morning Show Hilarity

• Luke opens with a wild monologue about eating someone’s family butter in front of them—a signature bit of TBTL absurdity.
  • "[00:00] I will come to your house... I will eat the butter in front of you and your family's eyes." —Luke
• Quick nods to classic media references ("the new phone book's here!") and local weather.

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2. Thanksgiving Travel & Outfits (01:58-02:28)

• The world braces for soul-crushing holiday travel. Luke jokes that the Secretary of Transportation recommends making air travel better "if you just spiffed up your outfit a little bit."
• Andrew jokingly joins in:
  • "Look at my outfit." —Andrew [02:26]

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3. Karaoke Machine Mania (03:32–12:56)

• Luke reveals a new karaoke machine set to debut at the Burbank family Thanksgiving.
  • They play with the device’s voice filters: normal, "monster," "cartoon," etc., riffing on podcast in-jokes ("getting close to Snax the Bunny territory!").
• Luke and Andrew test the karaoke setup live, with Luke singing along to "Stand By Your Man" and Andrew cueing up "Scatman's World."
  • "Sometimes it's hard to be a woman." —Luke, singing [06:03]
  • "Would you like to [do karaoke] today?" —Luke [08:47]
  • "I'm calling out the Scatman's World!" —Luke [09:44]
• Reflection on how karaoke tech has improved (wireless, fewer cables, YouTube for any song) compared to earlier, clunkier setups.
  • "Technology, things have come together to make this little device so vastly superior to all of the little karaoke machines..." —Luke [11:16]

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4. Hating Cables, Loving Bluetooth & QR Codes (12:56–18:22)

• Andrew laments the eternal struggle of cable management in home studios.
  • "Cable management is an impossible dream... My dream future is when all of these cables don't exist." —Andrew [13:07]
• Both hosts marvel at how QR codes and Bluetooth, once maligned or obscure, are now indispensable.
• "Can I use [a QR code]? Last night, when I was setting up my new TV streaming..." —Luke [15:13]

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5. Bluetooth Speaker Conniptions (16:07–24:11)

• Andrew updates on his Bluetooth speaker and turntable not "playing well together," leading to music cutting out.
  • "Bluetooth technology is just still kind of nascent, and the devices keep changing." —Andrew [17:18]
• Troubleshooting obsession and hope:
  • "When you start troubleshooting, you start believing, and that's where hope is a dangerous thing." —Luke [19:54]
• Luke draws parallels to his futile attempts to fix a mini split air conditioner, bemoaning planned obsolescence and ruthless warranty policies.

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6. The Aesthetics of Bluetooth Speakers (27:49–32:14)

• Both hosts riff on the "vibe" of their Bluetooth speakers, namely Marshall amps. Andrew feels slightly incongruent displaying a speaker that screams classic rock cred:
  • "It definitely looks like, oh, yeah, let's listen to the Rolling Stones." —Andrew [30:17]
• Luke clarifies his is a smaller, more portable iteration, but agrees on the aesthetic associations.

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7. Luke’s Metallica Story for CBS Sunday Morning (31:30–35:39)

• Luke hints at his long-delayed Metallica piece finally airing, including a producer-preferred moment where Jason Momoa, not Luke, interviews the band after Luke stormed off the "black carpet."
  • "I had not done that previously and I haven't done it since, I'm happy to say..." —Luke [34:13]
• The hosts laugh at the emotional aftermath of (mild) workplace conflict and the need for post-adrenaline decompression.

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8. Ranking Metallica Members by Bluetooth Fixing Ability (36:02–37:41)

• Luke muses on which Metallica member would most help Andrew fix his Bluetooth device.
  • "James Hetfield... would literally try." —Luke [36:02]
• Order of helpfulness: Trujillo > Hammett > Hetfield > Lars.

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9. Lars, Napster, and the Age of Streaming Litigation (37:45–40:59)

• Luke notes most “guys our age” first mention the Napster fight when Metallica comes up.
• Lars didn’t want to be the face of anti-piracy, but wound up there by circumstance.

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10. Software Subscription Fatigue (43:22–44:23)

• Andrew rails against having to rent (not own) software now—Adobe Suite is a monthly cost, not an outright purchase.
  • "You're not stealing it because you're not selling it to us." —Andrew [43:57]

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11. Luke’s Streaming Service Switcheroo: The Long-Awaited Main Story

Start of Main Segment: [44:34–70:42]

Donor Thanks & Transition

—[44:34–54:29 skipped]

The Streaming Kerfuffle (Streaming, 55:32–70:42)

• The Problem:
  • Luke's main streaming service (Fubo) drops MSNBC in a reshuffling—right as something big happens in the news cycle and he wants to watch Chris Hayes.
    • "It was a big news day... I fire up my Fubo... channel not available." —Luke [56:58]
  • Frustration at misleading search results claiming Fubo still carries MSNBC.
• The Discovery:
  • After much Googling, only an AI chatbot correctly tells Luke NBCUniversal and Fubo parted ways.
    • "AI was the first thing that was able to tell me..." —Luke [57:32]
• The Solution:
  • Luke investigates YouTube TV, initially skeptical because "YouTube" still sounds to him like cat videos and ads, not genuine TV. Learns YouTube TV is a separate, robust app.
    • "I just pictured myself going on youtube.com and having to next through a bunch of colon blow ads..." —Luke [62:13]
  • Realizes YouTube TV does, in fact, have “MSNBC Now” and the football content he wants for $70/month (later $80), compared to $117 with Fubo.
  • He makes the switch, finds the new service more intuitive:
    • "YouTube TV was cheaper. I switched over. I canceled my Fubo account, which was weirdly empowering…" —Luke [64:05]
    • “YouTube TV has gone to the trouble of actually updating this logo, so that’s a good sign.” —Luke [62:48]
  • Enjoys seamless setup with QR code, unlimited “cloud DVR” recording, and a UI that quickly personalizes to his networks and shows.
    • "It just gave me [hundreds] of tiles of shows and things..." —Luke [65:51]
  • Caveat: Baseball, via MLB.tv and local blackouts, is a new unsolved headache for 2026. Andrew predicts a future of escalating, fragmenting costs for local sports fans.

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12. On the Annoying Impermanence of Digital Content (59:33–60:20)

• Andrew bemoans the reality that streaming "has everything"—until it doesn’t, and content constantly migrates behind new paywalls.
  • "There's just literally no stability... being jerked around." —Andrew [59:33]

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13. Mini-Story: The Vanity Delivery Saga (50:47–54:58)

• Luke shares a minor “win”—getting his furniture delivery company to eat a $72.50 re-delivery fee because of their communication snafu.
  • "As a courtesy, we will cover this charge..." —reading from email [52:15]

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14. Thanksgiving Planning, Listener Notes, and Wrapping Up (70:42–73:35)

• Brief discussion of upcoming TBTL specials, themed for Thanksgiving.
• Inside jokes about "forward-promoting" future content; giving listeners a heads up that their full deep-dive into recent podcasts/TV will air after the holiday.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “Cable management is an impossible dream.” —Andrew [13:09]
• “When you start troubleshooting, you start believing, and that’s where hope is a dangerous thing.” —Luke [19:54]
• “This house ain’t big enough for two Mr. Cools.” —Luke [25:28]
• “The frog that is my checking account.” —Luke, about streaming price creep [61:17]
• “Don’t praise the machines, but it was AI. AI was the first thing that was able to tell me…” —Luke [57:32]
• "You're not stealing it, because you're not selling it to us." —Andrew, on software subscriptions [43:57]
• "There's just literally no stability...being jerked around." —Andrew, on the current state of TV streaming [59:33]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:32] - Karaoke machine deep-dive, tech, and live demo
• [12:56] - Cables, Bluetooth, and QR code appreciation
• [16:07] - Ongoing Bluetooth speaker/turntable woes
• [31:30] - Metallica TV story, black carpet, and storming off set
• [44:34] - Donor thanks and transition to main segment (skip for main content)
• [54:58–70:42] - Main story: Luke’s streaming service odyssey (Fubo → YouTube TV)
• [59:33] - Rant on impermanence and instability of digital media subscriptions
• [70:42] - Thanksgiving plans, show promos, sign-off

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Tone & Style

Rambling, self-deprecating, nerdily specific, warmly honest.
Luke and Andrew’s rapport is peppered with gentle teasing, analog nostalgia, and bittersweet admissions about modern adulthood’s peculiar difficulties. At all times, the show’s tone is welcoming, making listeners feel like close friends being let in on the saga of everyday life.

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For Listeners New & Old

• If you haven’t heard the episode:
  You’ll understand all the major beats—be it a struggle to play records, the pitfalls and small victories of streaming, or why grown men still think about Lars Ulrich and Napster when Metallica comes up.
• If you love the hosts’ asides:
  Breathe easy, there are tangents galore—karaoke machine demo included.
• If you want the tech advice:
  YouTube TV may be the answer if you want MSNBC and sports—at least, until the streaming companies reshuffle the decks again!

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Closing note:
TBTL “Never Cross Streamers” is a cozy, conversational rollercoaster through the tech tribulations (and little life victories) that define trying to have fun and stay informed in 2025. As always, it’s “too beautiful to live”—and often, too goofy not to enjoy.

Transcript

[Luke Burbank]

I will come to your house. I will go to your fridge. I will take your butter out of your fridge. I will eat the butter in front of you and your family's eyes. And I. I force you to watch me while I eat all your butter. You will beg and cry and say, no, don't eat all our butter we need for Christmas. I will say, aha, not my problem. And take the empty bottle. I will throw it on the stairway. I will go home.

[Andrew Walsh]

TBTM. The new phone book's here. The new phone book's here.

[Luke Burbank]

In this business of show, you have to have the heart of an angel and the hide of an elephant. You know, these two are good. Very tough to do a morning show, this chit chatty kind of thing. But these two have an intellect behind whatever it is they're they're doing. Notice me, senpai. Notice me.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is the kind of spontaneous publicity, your name in print, that makes people.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, all right. Hello, good morning and welcome everyone to a Wednesday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Just study it out and you'll see. My name's Luke Burbank. I'm your host. Hello, CD listeners coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia, where it's a wet one. Folks didn't know you like to get wet though. Atmospheric river time around here. But as we like to say, luckily it's warm and dry here inside the Madrona Hill studio. And we are ready to bring you episode 4606. There we go. In a Collector series. Let the fun begin. It is the day before Thanksgiving.

[Andrew Walsh]

Who you calling turkey?

[Luke Burbank]

And many of us, myself included, are going to be traveling some distance for Thanksgiving festivities. I'll be in my car. There are a lot of people flying though right now. And the Secretary of Transportation has some advice for how what is. We all agree a pretty soul crushing experience of air travel could be made better for everyone. And that would be if you just spiffed up your outfit a little bit. I feel cute today.

[Andrew Walsh]

Look at my outfit.

[Luke Burbank]

We will talk about that. A very relevant topic on this day of much travel. And also, we've got an update from yesterday's show. Can you. Can you verify, can you give me some 411 involving this vanity that I'm trying to have shipped to my house from the terminal and the various entities. For those of you who barely survived the mundane logistics talk yesterday, buckle up, hucklebuck, because we got more of it today and we got more of this guy Longest running cobra of the show. Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Hey there, Fireball. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning. At the risk of being disrespectful to the show sheet creator, I'm sitting here listening to you talk about what's coming up on the show today. And I'm going to take a gamble here and say that we have plenty to talk about. And I am really curious about something that you have as a top story that I want to ask you about here at the top of the show. So I'm going to ask my question.

[Luke Burbank]

If you think that we haven't even gotten into this yet.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, geez. What is that?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, who makes this thing?

[Andrew Walsh]

Is that a karaoke?

[Luke Burbank]

Karaoke machine.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah. You're talking into a different microphone. I thought.

[Luke Burbank]

That's right.

[Andrew Walsh]

Something was broken for a second there.

[Luke Burbank]

Broken, broken. It's the opposite. Something's working really well.

[Andrew Walsh]

So this is your way of saying, no, I shouldn't ask my question. Asked, almost asked, and then answered.

[Luke Burbank]

Hold on, I'm turning this on. Okay, I'll tell you about that later.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. I was curious about what's going because.

[Luke Burbank]

Very excited about this machine.

[Andrew Walsh]

I have a view of the world here that the listeners don't have, which is. And this doesn't happen too often, but sometimes a story will start on one show sheet, and then if we don't get to it, you see the same story on the next show sheet. I have a different view of things today because I'm watching a story evolve. A story that we didn't get to yesterday now has evolved to a different phase of the story on the show sheet today. And I want to know what the hell is going on with your streaming services.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, you know what I mean?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yesterday you were like, oh, I'm having issues with my streaming service. And now today I see that you might have done something about that.

[Luke Burbank]

I. Sure. I'm a man of action. Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

And my words count, certainly. Could you say that with some more echo on your voice?

[Luke Burbank]

I absolutely could. In fact, let's see here. Just give me. Give this thing a second. Nothing would make me happier. Could I actually, let's see here. We have some effects that I could use, too. I could say it. I could say, this is karaoke setting. Andrew, I'm a man of action. This is. This is the original I'm a man of action.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. Yeah, that's drier.

[Luke Burbank]

And this is monster.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm a man of action. I don't like that. Okay, what about.

[Luke Burbank]

How about cartoon?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's what I wanted to hear. Now you're getting a little bit close to Snax the Bunny territory. Be careful. I don't need another. I don't know how many ceases and desists as I can get in one week. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Snacks has been a. A big topic of the show for. Great. This is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I hadn't noticed that, but this is definitely snack. Yeah. Be careful. Be careful.

[Luke Burbank]

Snacks has lawyers like that we're allowed to. How about. How about this? You want to hear a little. You want to hear a little Tammy Wynette?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, this machine has music plug already stored in it.

[Luke Burbank]

Sometimes it's hard to be a woman. I had to test this out on this song. I used to have an ex, by the way, that said the Psychopathy test was if you're like sound checking. If you're like a band and you're doing a rehearsal or something and one of the members of the band continues to talk into the microphone like while you're all just standing around there.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you mean you've done the sound check? The sound check's over. But now the person with the microphone is continuing to communicate with their.

[Luke Burbank]

To the small group of people. Like you're on stage or maybe you're at your rehearsal space and like we could just be talking in normal voices. But someone continues to use the microphone to address the small assembled group. That. That was a. That was a sign of psychopathy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Does that also apply to protesters using bullhorns? I could sort of. I mean bullhorns are fun, but I can really see if you're holding it in your hand and you're talking to your buddy. It's kind of hard not to just.

[Luke Burbank]

Right if you're like close up. I had to test it out on Stand by youy man because that is my mom's number one karaoke song. And I bought this machine, this karaoke machine to take to the house, to take to the Burbank ancestral estate, as our friend Dave Ross likes to say.

[Andrew Walsh]

So it looks like. It looks like a, you know, mid size Bluetooth speaker essentially kind of with a handle on top, kind of a boombox style Bluetooth speaker, very minimal. But then it's got a flip up lid that is a touchscreen with two microphones in it as a storage thing. But the touchscreen is how you're actually playing the music. So I always.

[Luke Burbank]

The touch. I'm playing the music off of my phone right now. I'm Bluetoothing into this. Now, theoretically, this thing has WiFi, and it can go on YouTube and it can go on Cara Fun and various things, but I was unsuccessful this morning at getting that all set up. And so I just kind of. I went with the slight hassle of Bluetoothing my phone. So I'm playing the YouTube version of Tammy Wynette's Stand by youy man on my phone, which is then coming through this speaker.

[Andrew Walsh]

The karaoke version, Right? You look for karaoke version on YouTube.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. Although one thing I've also learned about my mom is she likes some amount of singing on the song. My mom's perfect. Most people, if they're doing a karaoke song, they don't want any vocals on the song that aren't them. And that's sometimes tricky to find. You know, that version of the song. It's, you know, it's the song with the vocals stripped out. We've occasionally found that for my mom, when we've been singing, she's like, I like some vocals. She would like 30% of the original vocals, and then she'll sing over that. That's kind of her preferred zone.

[Andrew Walsh]

I feel like I can understand that. I never do. I've literally never done karaoke, but I can sort of see.

[Luke Burbank]

Would you like to. Today, I could hold this mic up to the.

[Andrew Walsh]

Here.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think I hold the mic up to my headphones, and then you sing into here.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let me try. That's how it works. Let me try this. I'm going to play a karaoke, because I did. I didn't fully realize that you can basically get any karaoke version of a song on YouTube these days, which must.

[Luke Burbank]

We are living in the future.

[Andrew Walsh]

There must be some sort of financial implications of that for the karaoke world. But here I'm going to play a karaoke version of a song. I want you to come in hot on this. Okay, you ready?

[Luke Burbank]

All right, hold on. Let me get my mic on.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, Give me a sec here.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

I have not previewed this because I did not know we were talking about this, but this says it's a karaoke version of this song.

[Luke Burbank]

Do I know? Am I going to the lyrics to this?

[Andrew Walsh]

I think. I think so.

[Luke Burbank]

Scatman's World. I'm probably a little behind.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's good. It's perfect. I can't separate this.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm calling out the Scatman.

[Andrew Walsh]

Nice.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm calling out the Scatman's World Nice.

[Andrew Walsh]

So pretty much all the L I. I'm Impressed. I wouldn't have known where. I honestly would not have known where to even come in or what to. To say in that moment.

[Luke Burbank]

Is fairly repetitive. You can kind of jump in anywhere that makes it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Boy, this sounds like. When you take away the lyrics, this just sounds like one of those, like, what were those now CDs. Like 1999.

[Luke Burbank]

That's what I call music now.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's what I called 1999.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm calling out the Scatland. I'm calling out the Scatland's world. All right, I'll stop now.

[Andrew Walsh]

That is pretty slick though, because home. Home karaoke again. I. I need to be careful because it's just. It's not my world. But I've been around. I've been around you.

[Luke Burbank]

I remember you had that man's world.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do you remember you had a birthday party at like a lake house or something? Like 10. No more than 10. Yeah, maybe about 10 years ago.

[Luke Burbank]

Remember? Rented out on that like, island or something?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it was something. And anyway, I just remember you guys did karaoke or you were very excited about a karaoke setup at the time. But if I remember correct, I mean, I think it was slick.

[Luke Burbank]

It was the who, but it was.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like a whole thing. It was like a whole kitten caboodle, as they say on TikTok. Like you have, there was a stand and a device and all these cables and then plugging your computer into it and now you're just kind of like.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, and it probably still didn't work great.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that I'm not sure about. You, you know better than me.

[Luke Burbank]

I feel like there's. I think that there's sort of been a confluence. And this is, you know, we've gotten. We haven't gotten any closer to talking about my streaming, but we will, Andrew, we will. There's been a confluence of technology and I guess I don't know if you'd call it software, but things have come together to make this little device that I bought so vastly superior to like all of the little karaoke machines.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think a microphone is still on because I think you're right. You have it in the storage thing, but you held the speaker up to you.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like, that's like when they've got someone almost in the ground and they're like, I'm not dead yet.

[Andrew Walsh]

I could just hear it squeaking a little bit louder.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you for. Can I just say how friggin next level my assessment was? Yeah, you're in a different city than me and you heard the same noise I heard and I couldn't quite place it. And your mind immediately was like, one of those mics is not off, but it is in. It's in its charging coffin and that's what's happening. I assumed it would just like auto shut off. You know what? I put it in its thing. It did not really, really great analysis troubleshooter. But basically like it used to be harder to find the karaoke version of song, you know what I mean? Like they weren't just like all over YouTube, everywhere. I mean, there was a time when they were on laser discs. You'd have to go, you know, to the karaoke DJ and you'd have to. They'd have to get out the laserdisc and cue up the song. So now the songs are everywhere and easily accessed on like your phone and stuff. So that's a big step forward. Bluetooth technology is better. This is. There are no cables involved in this. I mean, two wireless mics.

[Andrew Walsh]

I hate cables. So actually, can I give a quick update on something which isn't even a good update and nobody cares about it. Nobody cared about it when I brought it up the first time in the middle of blurs days three weeks ago. But it really.

[Luke Burbank]

I be nice to my friend Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I hate cables. Cable management is an impossible dream. I know some people have it under control. I don't know who you are. I don't even want to get into it. So I always, I've said for years and years, like, my dream future is when I can set up my studio in here and all of these cables don't exist. They don't need to exist. So therefore I'm pretty high on the Bluetooth technology, which by the way, let's just take a real quick moment to appreciate Bluetooth and QR codes. Both really wormed their way into our hearts, didn't they? There was a time when both of those were technologies that didn't really seem necessary. I only knew what Bluetooth was because my friends were rich. Aunt had a Bluetooth thing in her ear at all times that was connected either her cell phone or a PDA or something like that. And you could just every now and then see through her hair a little blip of blue flash. Because remember, Bluetooth devices I think were pretty much just used as hands free devices. But it was before everybody had hands free devices. Because again, if you. It was before earbuds, right? Or earbuds, I guess. And so I was like, yeah, Bluetooth, I guess you can talk without using your Hands. And it just seemed like, what a small usage. And now, of course, it has taken over so much of our entertainment lives and the way we connect our devices.

[Luke Burbank]

And has generally gotten better, by the way, because it was also a period where they were. A lot of Bluetooth stuff was coming out, and it was so unreliable in terms of making the connection and everything, that it was almost not worth it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And then this is totally aside, but then also the QR code situation is just like, you would just see those. Like, what is the point of these QR codes? Sometimes people would put them on posters around a neighborhood or something, advertising something or promoting something. And, sorry, I gotta get bingo off my board here. Otherwise I'll be troubleshooting other things. So anyway, and then the pandemic hits. Everybody's using QR codes for menus. And now I just sort of feel like QR codes are, like, used for a lot of things that make sense. You know what I mean? Like, you.

[Luke Burbank]

Can I use one last night, Andrew, when I was setting up my new TV streaming.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yes. Okay, perfect.

[Luke Burbank]

That brought us right back around. That's huge.

[Andrew Walsh]

That is a huge thing. Like when you're signing into a service on a new device, and it's like, you don't have to use your remote control to tap in your entire email and then some crazy password, Right.

[Luke Burbank]

Or go to this extremely long YouTube, TV login, whatnot. It was giving me this option of going to a website on, like, my laptop or just QR code.

[Andrew Walsh]

QR code on your phone and it takes you to the website. And then you. You say, bob's your uncle. That's my password, too. Anyway, I did want to go back to my quick update on my own YouTube. I'm sorry, Bluetooth woes, which is. I mentioned to you that I have a new Bluetooth speaker that works with every device except for my record player. And a record player that works with every Bluetooth speaker except for my new Bluetooth speaker.

[Luke Burbank]

And occasionally just stop shaking hands, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, well, they don't disconnect. You're just listening to a song, you're listening to a record. And about once or twice per side of a record, the song just drops out for one to two seconds, which sounds like a small period of time, but it's a very long period of time when you're jamming out, when you're just.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Like you're listening to Night Ranger, Sister Christian, and it's like your motor. And that actually doesn't even work because I just created space in the song. You wouldn't have heard the end of Motoring.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly. You just. It would be. It would be more like, hold on, I've got a microphone here. It would be, I think, more like this.

[Luke Burbank]

I can.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know what?

[Luke Burbank]

I can finally sing along in real time.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's right here. Do you want me to. No, it's pretty good. You're a little bit behind because of the delay, but you're doing great anyway.

[Luke Burbank]

I think that's generous. I asked.

[Andrew Walsh]

I just mean in general. I asked the listeners if they had any idea, like, why is it this particular turntable with this particular speaker, it drops out. When those devices work with other Bluetooth devices. Each of them seem fine on their own. I did this whole analogy about being like Smilax gas. That really resonated with the young people. And I got one email about this, and I'm sorry, I don't remember the person who wrote in, but we went back and forth, and I found it very helpful, but also dispiriting, which is. The answer is Bluetooth technology is just still kind of nascent, and the devices that we're using kind of keep changing, you know, like generations of Bluetooth or whatever. So certain devices just don't play well together. And I hate that. I hate that phrase. Ooh, I should.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm a.

[Andrew Walsh]

When I say these don't play well together, doesn't it sort of evoke a kind of person that we've worked with? And I'm not thinking any particular person, but it just sort of feels like engineers and folks have been telling me, well, these don't play well together.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I don't. I'm not in love with that way of framing it either, but. But I get. I get why you used it.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's more like Smilix Gas. I always. I say, stop, stop. I'm gonna interrupt you right. I'm gonna stop you right there. Could you tell it to me in Smiling Gas? But anyway. Yeah, so it just sort of. And then I did a lot. You didn't see Better Call Saul, but, like, there's a character in Better Call Saul who thinks that, like, electricity is invading. He has to, like, tear all electricity out of.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, sure. Michael McKeon's character.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Brother. Business partner.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right, his brother. Yeah, exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

Because I did get that far.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you did? Yeah. I was basically like that the other night after I brought it up on the show. I'm like, maybe other Bluetooth devices in the home are interrupting or trying to connect to my speaker or something. So I like One by one, started removing or turning off fully powering down dartbot. Dartbot did not like that. Like, Dartbot. I got to put you to sleep a little bit. That's my iPad thing. I totally turned it off. I totally turned my phone off. I turned off my skylight frame. As if that could even Bluetooth. Anything that might be.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Competing in the. On the Bluetooth. I don't know if it's a frequency. I don't understand how it works, but whatever that channel is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And so I just. I unplugged every. I made sure that my television had Bluetooth turned totally off. I just. And so I was, like, kind of going around the little basement area here. Like, I made a little hat out of tin foil. I put it over my own head. I put it over Dart Bot's head, and nothing fixed. I really. When you start troubleshooting, you start believing, and that's where hope is a dangerous thing.

[Luke Burbank]

It sure is. Hopium. Yeah. Because if you. I can't.

[Andrew Walsh]

He's doing it again, by the way. Oh, it's. Oh, it's sitting next to you. Okay, I need this. Okay, no, that's fine. I just want to make sure you knew.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, I cannot be trusted to have this. I'm putting it away as long as you.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, I just want to close.

[Luke Burbank]

The things that close.

[Andrew Walsh]

If you knew, I mean, you can.

[Luke Burbank]

I can't. I was literally trying various things to not create that little bit of sound so that if I needed it, I could have it. But I think I need to just put it away and focus on the show. I can't give you an exact example, but I know exactly what you're talking about, which is you're sort of stymied by a problem. And then you have a moment of going, oh, but maybe it's this. And then you get excited because you're like, oh, maybe, you know, and I'm. Again, I can't give you.

[Andrew Walsh]

And you protect your heart. You think, well, maybe this is probably a long shot. This probably won't work, but. But you still can't kill the hope inside, right?

[Luke Burbank]

No, because as you're doing more things, each thing you're turning off, and then when you get, like, that entire basement, like, unbluetoothed, and then you start bringing things back online. Or maybe you're leaving them all offline and you're doing your. Just playing your record player with your speaker, whatever it is. There's that moment where. It's that moment of truth and you've built yourself up. Even if you're trying not to. You have now become very hopeful that this is going to solve the problem.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And I think there's no. I think there's no solution to it. I was looking up. The other thing that really ticks me off is like, I really like this record player I have and I like the speaker that I bought for it. And I know that they're both like, you know, mid level consumer devices, but when you start looking for help with anything related to turntables, you just get into the snobby estate music communities and like, basically I'm like, any issues with. I can't believe I hadn't actually googled the specifics before. I had been googling issues with one device or issues with the other device. And this time I was like, I just, I'm just like, does the one by one turntable have issues with Marshall Bluetooth speakers or something? And some people did post specifically about their setup with those two devices, but they didn't have the same problem as me. They had some other problem. They were just trying to figure out if there was some functionality. And basically every answer was, why would you even use those? What's the point of going down speaker? You know that two channels, like, why don't you get a good record player? What is the point of getting.

[Luke Burbank]

Wait. That was their response.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's like everybody. That everybody's like, everybody's just like, why would you even try to listen to your music on this stuff? It was just like. It was exactly like that character from. I think you should leave the Tim Heidecker character just kind of like he, he's listening to Boots MC Shorty or whatever and he's just like, you know.

[Luke Burbank]

King of the Tuk Tuk.

[Andrew Walsh]

King of the Tuk Tuk sound. Isn't it amazing that I couldn't, I quote that he was king of the Tuk Tuk sound all the time, yet I couldn't think.

[Luke Burbank]

No. You know, I have a hard time with those names too, even though. So somebody sent me Roy Donk. Marcus the Worm Hicks.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, Marcus the Worm Hicks.

[Luke Burbank]

Then there's one that's like tiny Boop shorterly or something.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, Yes. I nailed it.

[Luke Burbank]

They're all so kind of similar, but different. And I mix them together.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, he's no Roy Donk.

[Luke Burbank]

He's no Roy Donk.

[Andrew Walsh]

Anyway, so I've sort of just given up on it.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm sorry. I was hoping that story ended. No happier ending.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's a huge. It's a real big bummer Because I just. You know, the record player is maybe three years old, tops. The Bluetooth speaker's brand new, and it just sits there nicely. I really like it. It. I can't return it anymore. I passed the point of no return. Literally past the point of no return. But anyway, so that's. That's my story of whoa.

[Luke Burbank]

And it's consistent. So it's like, how. Like, is it once an hour? It does this once an evening?

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm gonna say like once or twice per album side and album sides are about 20 minutes long, I think. So. Yeah. Yeah. Once every 10 to 15 minutes, just. And again, it's just like. Yeah, just. It's. It's not a long period of time, but it's just your flow. You're. You're talking, the music's in the background. You're not even paying attention to the music. But then suddenly the music just disappears. Ira Glass knows how to do this to great effect on this American life. The music disappears.

[Luke Burbank]

All about the timing. And sometimes it can changes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, you.

[Luke Burbank]

Everybody leans into their radio. Yeah, but you don't want that while you're listening to Donovan.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, not at all. Hurdy Gertie, man, you know, I.

[Luke Burbank]

It's the. The thing that I'm now remembering where I thought maybe. And this wasn't even me really trying to solve the problem because I kept hiring people. But remember that long, boring story of me trying to fix that heating and air conditioning system in my upstairs? That mini split.

[Andrew Walsh]

You need a sniffer.

[Luke Burbank]

And I had the thing where they didn't bring the sniffer. And the guys were, I thought, kind of rude to me. And then a micro hurricane hit their business, which felt.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, right.

[Luke Burbank]

Like a sign of something. And then I had the new guys come out and they were really nice and really helpful. Well, does not appear to have fixed. It would appear that there is something fundamentally broken with the machinery, I guess, because, you know, these guys came out, the second round of guys, they came out, they did everything they could. And if they were like, yeah, if this doesn't fix it, we're kind of out of ideas. And this thing is brand new.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's the thing. But you've had it for a while. So can you return it?

[Luke Burbank]

No. In fact, it says on the. I would just like to give these guys a put down. The company is called Pioneer. Please do not buy a mini split from the Pioneer Company. I have a Mr. Cool mini split that works great. Would recommend Mr. Cool.

[Andrew Walsh]

Why would you buy anything but Mr. Cool?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, this.

[Andrew Walsh]

Because you felt threatened, that's why. Because you said, I'm the Mr. Cool.

[Luke Burbank]

This house ain't big enough for two Mr. Cools.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know you too well.

[Luke Burbank]

It was literally one of those impulsive things that I do where I wanted to get this device because people were going to be coming over and staying. It is in the summertime, and I wanted the upstairs to not be like, super duper overheated. And so. And the Mr. Cools, because they're a good product, were sold out in most places. But the pioneers weren't. What might that tell you?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right.

[Luke Burbank]

But I'm at this point now where, because I was trying to run it the other night, this heating thing so that the upstairs of my house would be hospitable when my parents were over. And it just, just. It just doesn't. It just doesn't work. It doesn't, you know, it doesn't heat up the area. And I'm like looking at it and now thinking. So there were different periods where I thought I'd fixed it. One time there was this plastic piece that went into the actual. The hood, the part that's on the interior of my hallway, and I thought maybe this plastic piece had not been clicked on there. Right. And so that was going to change everything, you know, So I like click that on with great hope and expectation. And it didn't work. Work. Now I'm just like, am I gonna have to literally pay someone to come take this thing out and put a new one in its place and just like, chuck this? I don't know, $1100, $1200 device that I bought that is brand new.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh.

[Luke Burbank]

The other thing I was gonna say is as soon as you take it out of the box, it's out of warranty. That's one of the things they literally tell you. I'm like, well, how so it's in warranty. As long as you haven't taken it out of the box or tried to install it. It.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's ridiculous.

[Luke Burbank]

It's insane. And of course, this is a company that's not based here in the U.S.

[Andrew Walsh]

So Pioneer is not going to be Pioneer. Not that. Not connected.

[Luke Burbank]

Not the stereo come.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. Because, you know, you never know. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

But no, this is, this is. I don't know how they actually were able to also get that same name. You think Mini. I'm just double checking because I'm doing this from memory. Yeah, it's there. It's the Pioneer Mini Split Company. And yeah, it's a real bummer, but I Guess I thought of that because of your speaker and your record player. I guess you could at some point just find a new place for that Marshall Bluetooth speaker to go and buy a different Bluetooth speaker and just be like, this Marshall speaker lives somewhere else in the house, maybe your kitchen or something, and that's what it's there for. And then hope that the newer Bluetooth speaker doesn't have this same weird glitch.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, we have so much to talk about, but let's go back to the speaker for a second because you and I, I feel like, and I could be totally wrong about this, are kind of not addressing a potential elephant in the room. And I'm interested in your thoughts on this, but it's a sensitive topic because I mentioned to you and by the way, did you just hear me inhale and did you hear the sound that came out of my.

[Luke Burbank]

The death rattle?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Did you hear the death rattle?

[Luke Burbank]

I actually didn't. I'm sorry, I shouldn't play.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that was rough. No, I am.

[Luke Burbank]

I actually did not hear it. I know you get sensitive about that, so I want you to know I literally did not hear. Not here.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I just breathed in. And anyway, you can rewind if you want to hear that. Okay. So I know it's a little bit sensitive because I mentioned to you that I bought this Marshall Bluetooth speaker and you said, oh, yeah, I have that same one. It was a gift. And so. And I don't, you know, because I don't want you to speak.

[Luke Burbank]

I have a different one, by the way. For the record, I have an earlier.

[Andrew Walsh]

Model, but the reason I liked this one was because it was the only model that had actual knobs and buttons, like physical things as opposed to, you know, people. A lot of people know that a lot of Bluetooth things are just like, they have those buttons that are. Are underneath rubber or something. It's all flush.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it's a rubber thing that you never know if you're pushing it enough or not exactly.

[Andrew Walsh]

And it's very unsatisfying. I think there are reasons for that. I think it's because they're built to be on the go and probably water resistant and stuff. But this thing is not going on the go with me. It was the only device in the Best Buy, and it was kind of probably my most expensive impulse purchase. I'd been planning to get a Bluetooth speaker for a long time, hadn't really done the research, was at Best Buy for something else, I think work related. And then as Kamaro Kev would say, just swangled by the Bluetooth aisle just to see what was what. And I saw this thing, and I really liked that it had buttons and knobs on the top. And it looks like. It doesn't look like it's built to go to the beach. It looks like it's built to sit on your, you know, on the shelf or whatever. So I bought it, and I'm mostly happy with it other than the whole Smilax problem. But it's an aesthetic. Right. And I know that I didn't say that right. And it's like Marshall. The Marshall Amp Company, which is a brand I trust, but it sort of implies a certain kind of. I like rock and roll. That is not really my vibe, you know, so style. Like, I like it. I like the way it feels.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm a guy who might want to have a long conversation about what guitar Joe Walsh used.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

For a particular song.

[Andrew Walsh]

You nailed it. Is that something that was sort of in the back of your head, too? Like, it doesn't look bad on my shelf, but it definitely does look like, oh, yeah, let's listen to the Rolling Stones or something like that.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, it's very funny. Mine was a gift from my daughter, and mine is a lot smaller. Mine is kind of one of those ones that you would throw just into, like, a tote bag if you were going to the beach.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay. So yours is smaller. Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Mine is like a cube, and it has that classic kind of martial art. You know, it's not as. I did have the thought, which was like, oh, this is not a. This is not the style of my. You will not find me wearing a chain necklace that has a guitar pick on it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure.

[Luke Burbank]

Or other things that I think go with the Marshall amp lifestyle.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

You will not find me with many of those things. But because this isn't a thing that sits on a dedicated shelf somewhere as essentially a home speaker, for me, it didn't. I didn't worry about it a whole lot because I thought, this is just a thing that I'm going to bring around to make sounds when I'm out of the house. I need a Bluetooth speaker. Whereas yours is a little more robust. Yours is kind of in one place. Yours says that you have real thoughts about Joe Satriani.

[Andrew Walsh]

I do. I do. Bring him back. I don't know. Where has he been? Is he still recording?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, he was on the black carpet, I think.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, of course he was.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, that story is finally airing this week, by the way.

[Andrew Walsh]

Happy Belated thank you, Metallica.

[Luke Burbank]

One Christmas came early. Everyone, you're going to finally get to see me talking to. You're going to get to see me talking to Metallica, and then you're going to get to see someone who's not me talking to Jason Mamoa on the black carpet. Because it was when I stormed off.

[Andrew Walsh]

Did that actually make. That didn't make it in the piece, did it?

[Luke Burbank]

The Mamoa made it into the piece.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my God.

[Luke Burbank]

That is. Aquaman made it into the story.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wow, that is a.

[Luke Burbank]

Is that enough to get you to watch CBS Sunday Morning?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, but that is a twist ending. That is some Shyamalan. Sure.

[Luke Burbank]

I. Unbreakable. What? They call me Mr. Glass because you collect.

[Andrew Walsh]

So especially this story, which you've been covering for so long. Like, how many different scenes. I don't even think about the people involved. But how many different scenes did you go to?

[Luke Burbank]

So many. More than can ever fit into seven minutes of television.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Oh, seven minutes. Okay. That's a healthy story. We got. So that's good. You got some real time for it. But the fact that the. This one thing, that you stormed off and so a producer interviewed Aquaman, who's not a musician, it gets into the piece. You won't answer this question. Is there a chance that the producer wanted to put that into the piece to make a point?

[Luke Burbank]

It's very possible. And if it was, I actually honor that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right.

[Luke Burbank]

You know what I mean? And this producer and I are actually very good friends, and we've done many, many stories together since, and we really cleared the air on this. But when the story was in, because this thing has just been sitting on a shelf for so long, when it was in its formative stage, I. E. We were sort of writing it together, you know, kind of going back and forth with the script. We had not. I felt like we had not fully buried the hatchet. And I did think, I'm not going to. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna fight extra hard. First of all, I'm not gonna walk off of the chute like a petulant baby. And then also, weeks later, advocate strongly to take out the Jason Momoa piece.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, I felt like I get to do one or the other.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't get to do both.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

And so. And so. And. And then now. Now we are cool. And I guess now I could probably say, like, hey, I don't know if that serves the piece. It's fine. It's literally four seconds of him saying, Like I grew up listening to Metallica and he is Aquaman. You know, it's like, okay, this is.

[Andrew Walsh]

It'S not easy on the eyes. I mean, you gotta give something to that.

[Luke Burbank]

I couldn't tell you I wasn't there. I was halfway to the Hollywood Park Casino. Yes. Literally walking through various parking lots and ingles would like shaking with that kind of weird post conflict adrenaline.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I know it so well.

[Luke Burbank]

Just, just like I just did something very, I mean very extreme. I've never had not, I had not done that previously and I haven't done it since, I'm happy to say. But then it's just like now I'm just kind of walking around. I just kind of don't know what.

[Andrew Walsh]

To do with the way I know that feeling. So I know it's. And it takes you so long to get down from that or to come down from that. That and you, you can't trust any thoughts you have. I think I'm to the point where when I have that, I'm conflict averse, as you know, but I still get into conflicts or at least what I perceive to be conflicts. And so when you find yourself in that really peak state, like whatever just happened is past you now, but now you have this real stew of various feelings and all kinds of toxic thoughts that might not even be related to what happened. Like it just can, like you can spiral pretty quickly and you really just got to keep telling yourself, don't make any, make any important decisions until this particular drug, this self made drug wears off.

[Luke Burbank]

What I, what I went to very quickly was apology mode. Now I didn't go back to the shoot because even as bad as I felt, I did not want to stand on the black carpet. But I did immediately. Like I found a place, you know, like a little like restaurant or something. I sat down and I started composing my apology text to the crew and the producer saying that was really unprofessional me. So I felt like that I wasn't going to regret that. I mean, I would have regretted saying something like, I'm never working with you again or I'm getting on an airplane or whatever. But all that is to say rock and roll will never die.

[Andrew Walsh]

No.

[Luke Burbank]

And the Metallica piece is going up on CBS Sunday Morning this weekend. So everyone tune in for that.

[Andrew Walsh]

I never ask you, I think, to leverage. Did I.

[Luke Burbank]

Did Barry Weiss approve it?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I was going to ask. Do you think James Hetfield could help me with my Bluetooth speaker situation? Would you?

[Luke Burbank]

Honestly, the guy is such A mensch. If you walked up to him with your Marshall Bluetooth thing and you were like, hey, you're a rock and roll guy. Like, do you know anything about this? I promise you, Andrew. No. No joke. He would literally try.

[Andrew Walsh]

He would at least consider. Like, he would not be like, who.

[Luke Burbank]

Is this person talking to me? What are they? What? No, where's security? He would literally go, oh, man, I don't have one of these. But there's got to be a button, right? Like, he would give it a try. Which is one of the things that was very endearing about him and everybody in that band. Okay, let me rank the helpfulness of the members of Metallica with your Bluetooth. I would say most helpful is probably going to be Robert Trujillo, the bassist.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Who has an interesting story. He was doing drywall and listening to Metallica. In other words, he was working construction because Metallica had a bass player before him. Can you imagine, like, hanging drywall in Southern California and listening to Metallica and then one day being in Metallica?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's bananas.

[Luke Burbank]

Actually, you can. You were listening to tbtl and now you were.

[Andrew Walsh]

Actually, that's a really good point.

[Luke Burbank]

I could not have picked a person with a tighter analog.

[Andrew Walsh]

And the fact that I didn't even think of that really makes me sad.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, but. But, well, this ain't Metallica, let's be honest. But so Trujillo. Very nice. I mean, they were all very nice. But just in terms of helpfulness, I'd say Trujillo, then probably Kirk Hemet, the guitar player, and then Hatfield and then Lars.

[Andrew Walsh]

About this. Lars is probably not interested in helping me much at all. Right.

[Luke Burbank]

He. He wouldn't be mean about it, but he would. He would have better boundaries than the rest of them. He would.

[Andrew Walsh]

Does he know that? Ice and sometimes bittorrent movies. How does he feel about that?

[Luke Burbank]

You know what's really funny, Andrew, is that I would say 30% of the people, particularly men of our age, who I've brought the topic of Metallica up with, including, I had to take an Uber from here to the airport a while ago because I was gonna be gone so long, it didn't make sense to park my car. And I was. The guy was asking me what I do, and I said, I do these TV stories. And I started talking about. I just did a story about Metallica and he goes like, oh, man, Napster. Like, there is a certain age group of guy who, if you mention Metallica or Lars Ulrich, the first thing they think about is Napster. It is bigger in certain guys minds than whatever it is Metallica did musically. It's that Lars Ulrich is mad about us stealing music.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. I just felt. And like it's a complicated debate. Right. But I just feel like. Cause didn't. That he testified right in front of Congress. I think I could be wrong but.

[Luke Burbank]

Not to be an Ulrich apologist.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like a.

[Luke Burbank]

You know we did talk about that. Just like literally like while we were just shooting the shit. It wasn't even part of our interview per se. It wasn't like something on my list. Like we've got to address this. And he, what he said to me was he was like yeah, I did not intend to become the face of anti piracy, anti Napster. He was like literally like it was one of those weird things where he had said something about it in an interview and then somebody had reached out to him and then he had been pulled in front of Congress and then all of a sudden he's like. As Tipper Gore was to censorship, you know, he was suddenly the opposite. He was the, he was the opposing force of, of bit torrenting. Which I mean I think he did think it was kind of wrong to steal music. But I don't think it was like his big desire was to become seen as the face of pushing back on Napster.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. Although I do think that he, he, he pushed back on the people who criticized his take. I do feel like I remember that being.

[Luke Burbank]

That's why I said he fifth most helpful.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

At your Bluetooth.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know what I saw? Speaking of blue things, be careful. I saw on Blue sky recently I saw somebody post something. This was, this was weeks ago and I want to get this close to right. But it basically said you can't steal something that you don't own. And this is not about music these days. This was about software. Like we pay so much money. This is no joke. This is donors. Do you want to know where your money goes? Like this is the type of thing that your money goes to to keep TBTL going. I have this Adobe suite of programs that we need and it includes video editing. I have my audio software that I've been using for decades since it was called Cool Edit. As I mentioned the other day, whatever Photoshop, there's like a Cool Edit logo.

[Luke Burbank]

Ever have sunglasses integrated into that? Mandela?

[Andrew Walsh]

Thinking of GoDaddy which I was actually talking about.

[Luke Burbank]

And you're sure I'm not thinking of the Raisin Bran?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. You know why I brought up the GoDaddy logo? Last night I was talking to a Friend and Boing Boing came up and I was like, Boing Boing. I haven't heard about or I haven't thought about Boing Boing in a while. I don't know if, like, people like Cory Doctorow still write for Boing Boing. I don't know. I feel like some of those people got bigger than Boing Boing.

[Luke Burbank]

I think that Cory Doctorow stepped away.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Two Boing Boing to. To fail is. I think was. But anyway, my point is, I'm pretty sure if you're looking it up. Tell me if I'm right. I think Boing Boing kept the same logo. That is like kind of the GoDaddy era logo, isn't it? Like kind of a.

[Luke Burbank]

It was a guy drilling, right.

[Andrew Walsh]

Jackhammering, I thought.

[Luke Burbank]

Jackhammering, I think into the, you know, into the Internet.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I'm pretty sure that has not changed at all. And while it is not my style, I appreciate them just being like, like, this is the Boing Boing logo and we're sticking with it.

[Luke Burbank]

It's pretty. I've got to be honest with you. I think I'm looking at the.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, did they update it?

[Luke Burbank]

The. What would. How would I call. I want to be careful because I feel a weird kind of affinity or. Oh, yeah, by the way, I'm looking at their store and the whole wallpaper on their store is that guy jackhammering.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, you're so they've definitely stuck with him.

[Andrew Walsh]

And they have actually, you know what? They've updated the. I think this font, this new Boing Boing font. I'm calling it New. I haven't been here in decades, but I don't think that's the original Boing Boing. I think it has. I think it sort of kept the spirit of it, but it's not as bad as it was. I feel like it was more GoDaddy back in the day. Let me finish my thought, though. This is my fault. Sorry. I just. The thing is, we now live in a day and age where you have to rent software. You're not even buying it. Back in the day, if I wanted Adobe Photoshop, I bought a copy of it and I put it on my computer. And as years go by, that would get more antiquated. And at some point, just like a car, I would have to decide, this thing I bought is no longer keeping up to date with my needs. So I'm going to upgrade and then I buy more software or updated software, and it's mine. They don't sell you software anymore. They rake you over the damn coals with the subscription prices. We pay a certain amount of money every single month for me to use the software that is on two of my computers and no more. Only two computers. And I don't own that. I don't own that. I'm renting at exorbitant prices. I'm renting this. So therefore. And by the way, I don't pirate any software anymore. I really don't. There was a time that I did, but, you know, I pay for everything. Everything is above and above board. But it's really galling to be like, oh, you can't steal our stuff. You're not stealing it because you're not selling it to us.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that's an interesting idea because, yeah, they've moved. They figured out, obviously, that if they sell you the software and you're like. And like Cool Edit and you're able to just somehow keep, like, limping it along and avoiding certain updates and upgrades and like, if you can just make it work for a long time, it doesn't provide as much like planned obsolescence as they would. Like.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

So, like, why would we sell you the software when we can rent it to you till the end of time?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And so, yeah, without. I'm trying to. I'm almost. I'm sorry. Now I'm looking up images of Cool Edit. I wanted to send you one, make you laugh.

[Luke Burbank]

I saw it does not have. You're right. I was totally thinking of the GoDaddy logo for some reason. Cool Edit looks nothing like that.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I just wanted to see the interface. But honestly, they got it pretty close early on. Like, things have been kind of updated, but really the functionality was there from the beginning. So anyway, Luke, that isn't how either one of us expected to start the show. We never talked about your. We never talked.

[Luke Burbank]

43 minutes in.

[Andrew Walsh]

We never talked about your streaming service. Do you. What do you want to do here?

[Luke Burbank]

I want to thank the donors.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

And then I want to tell you about my. My streaming service switcheroo.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've.

[Luke Burbank]

I've seen the light, Andrew. I want to hear, like, Paul on the road to Damascus. I have. I've had a huge change of heart, and I think for the better.

[Andrew Walsh]

How did you know my friend Paul went to Damascus?

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you, baby. All right, let's thank those donors. This is how TBTL is able to continue leasing our Adobe suite. It's thanks to these donations. This is how. This can be a job for. For Andrew and myself and our colleague John Sklaroff, we are very thankful here on this day before Thanksgiving for the donors, folks like Aaron Hyland over there in Bellevue, Washington.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, Aaron. Thank you.

[Luke Burbank]

Thanks, Aaron. Thanks for having me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Still waiting for that train to take me out to visit you. Still waiting for that.

[Luke Burbank]

Hasn't happened yet.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't think the kid.

[Luke Burbank]

Is that behind schedule or is that the schedule that they have always.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's gotta be behind some schedule at some point in the planning process.

[Luke Burbank]

But unless, I mean, they've got it running over there. Right. But just not connecting. Connecting you to over there.

[Andrew Walsh]

I believe what we have, and I could be wrong, is we have the one line here in Seattle. Literally it's called the one line. I think on the east side you have the two line. And I think eventually they're going to connect the one and the two lines with an east west train. I'm guessing they're going to call that the four line, maybe the seven line. I don't really know. But I'm waiting for that connector so that I can go over to the east side and get myself one of those pastrami sandwiches I had about two 15 years ago. The last time I was on the east side.

[Luke Burbank]

That wasn't at Tubs though, right? It was a different place because.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, it was like a small little deli, like family run.

[Luke Burbank]

Little.

[Andrew Walsh]

I can't. It was so long ago. But it's probably the best pastrami sandwich I've had in the Seattle area.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. You know, this is the second pastrami sandwich reference in I think two days. Really? Your body might be telling you something. You're dangerously low on pastrami.

[Andrew Walsh]

Johnny's pastrami.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. You were talking about Johnny, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right. In Culver City.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Thanks also to Kathleen Estes, who's in Olympia, Washington. Second day in a row we've had an Olympia person, I believe.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, nice. Good memory on you, by the way.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, it's because it looms very large in my mind today, Andrew, because I will be driving up to my folks house for Thanksgiving and I feel like when I get to Olympia, well, what happens is I go north on I5 and then I sort of branch off and head west at Olympia, hopefully avoiding the most extreme of the traffic. But it's unclear. I do think that once I'm going past Olympia, I will be kind of getting into the clear a little bit. I'll be getting past what is the most terrible of the traffic. But anyway, thanks, Kathleen. Thanks to Hannah Clayton, who's in Green Cove Springs, Florida.

[Andrew Walsh]

Gosh, that'd be a nice place to be right now.

[Luke Burbank]

That sounds wonderful. I'll be in Florida next week. I'm going to be in Miami. I don't know how close it is to Green Cove Springs, but, man, let me tell you, Andrew, the trip from the west coast to Miami, it's a doozy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Especially the Pacific Northwest. I mean, if you're coming from up here, like, it's. I mean, it's almost as far as you can go right diagonally from coast to coast.

[Luke Burbank]

I leave Portland at like 7:16am and I get into Miami at 3:48 local time. And it's a direct flight. There are no. There's no, like, delays. There's no switching planes. It's just. It's that far. So anyway, I'll see you down there, Hannah. Pop on by. I'm staying in Brickell, so if you want to grab a cup of coffee, let me know. Heather Douglas is in Austin, Texas. I haven't been. There was a period of time where I felt like I was going to Austin. Like every two months. We were going there for tbtl. There was these. Didn't we also go to it? Did we go to the conference there together?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I have only been once, and it was for that RV road trip.

[Luke Burbank]

I was. There was. I had, like, regular appointments in Austin for a while, and now I've had no appointments in Austin and I missed the dang place. Thank you, Heather. Thanks. Joey Banks in. Is this a special place, Andrew? Columbus, Ohio.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, it most certainly is. It's the heart of it all. Ohio is the heart of it all because the state is somewhat shaped like a heart.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm. I'm not being sarcastic. I never thought of that.

[Andrew Walsh]

That was a.

[Luke Burbank]

A good tagline for the state. A good state slogan.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, shoot. You know what? I think you're going to do well here, but there was a pronouncer for our next donor. I love it when people submit like a pronouncer in the pronouncer section of the form, but I forgot to include it in what I sent you. Do you need any pronunciation help with our next.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm gonna try. Let's do this. Let's have a fun adventure together. I will try it without the pronouncer and then you can tell me if I got it. And I already know what you're gonna say, so don't go. It's schwong.

[Andrew Walsh]

Don't tell me what jokes I Can I cannot say on the show.

[Luke Burbank]

It'S not your birthday until tomorrow, sir. Yeah, don't be. Sean Millender of Dunkirk, Maryland. How'd we do?

[Andrew Walsh]

You said Millender. Yeah. Do you wanna know Millender was okay. You wanna know what the pronunciation guide was? I thought this was really smart. Cause you can, you know, I like writing out specifically like in the kind of the proper. Because there was a kind of a broadcast standard of how you write out pronunciations. But another surefire way of doing it is just saying it rhymes with something. And that's really easy.

[Luke Burbank]

That's the most helpful way.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, isn't it? It really gets your head around it. Right. And so it says rhymes with cylinder. I think that's great. Millender way helpful.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you. Sean Millender.

[Andrew Walsh]

Schwann Millender.

[Luke Burbank]

Schwann Millender in Dunkirk, Mary, Maryland. Not you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you to all of our donors. Thank you for making TBTL possible. We really and truly could not do this without you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hello and welcome to Top Story.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, a very quick top, top story, which is to say a top story that comes before the actual top story. The top story is about. I switched to streaming services and I'm feeling pretty good about.

[Andrew Walsh]

About it.

[Luke Burbank]

But the top top story, Andrew, is that I received an email from the folks at Atlas International. Remember, this is the company that was hired by the company that I bought this vanity from. So I bought this vanity online. They hire a company called Atlas that then hires a company called Custom, that is the shipping, who then hires something that I can only. I have to call Diamond Dave's Furniture Delivery. And I wasn't here to sign for this thing. And so they took it back to the terminal and I was trying to tell them a sob story, which is actually true, which is nobody told me that I needed to be here to sign for it or I would have been here. So could you bring it back free of charge? Could you please not charge me to bring it back? And as of yesterday, there was an email from this person named me at Atlas International that I took to mean they were going to cover the. They'll call it a restocking fee. Okay, the redelivery fee. You were a little bit less convinced.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I didn't know what their language meant.

[Luke Burbank]

It just seemed. Well, that's. That's honestly fair because it's kind of confusing. But I got up this morning email from Mia. Hello, Luke. Thank you for your patience. We've received confirmation that the redelivery fee is 7,250. As a courtesy, we will cover this charge. And I've already approved it with the carrier.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. That's.

[Luke Burbank]

By which I mean. So that's kind of cool.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's good and very clear. Before, they were like, we have to assess a fee.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm wondering if they needed to know what the number was before they could.

[Andrew Walsh]

Say whether or not they care.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, if Diamond Dave was going to charge them $300, they were like, no, but they've decided to eat it on $72.

[Andrew Walsh]

But wait, when is it going to be delivered? Because you're unclear.

[Luke Burbank]

But it says we've also advised them to contact you as soon as possible to arrange the redelivery. Now, I think I'm. I don't. I was. I was right once. Right. And that. My sense yesterday was they were going to eat it on the cost. So I don't want to get cocky, but I have a feeling now that we've moved into a phase where I can just work this out with the delivery people and just work it out to be in a couple of weeks. And my hope is that nobody will bring up the question of storage at the terminal.

[Andrew Walsh]

That was my next question. Because you said that that could start to raise.

[Luke Burbank]

You're allowed to. There's a certain number of reschedules that you can do. I think you can do one reschedule. But I have this weird feeling that, like, because we went through this whole thing, maybe they're not tracking it in that manner. I don't know. I'll find out when Diamond Dave's people reach out.

[Andrew Walsh]

But at least let me share with you.

[Luke Burbank]

You save 7250 on the whole deal.

[Andrew Walsh]

One thing. And you might need to spend that again if you were to take this listener's advice. But somebody texted me last night and said, why don't you just rent yourself a truck? Why don't you just go. Because it's pretty affordable. Go to U Haul or something. And that way it's just totally in your control and you don't have to.

[Luke Burbank]

Dance this dance if that's in the back of my mind, if it comes to it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

So, like, if they would have said the redelivery fee is 200, and also it has to be next Tuesday when you're out of town. And also there's going to be a storage fee because you can't accept delivery on Tuesday. By the way, there was a moment a couple days ago when I was talking to the very nice guy at the place called Custom, which is Again, one of the layers of this, where he said, I heard it in his voice. He paused because he didn't want to be presumptuous and he didn't want to make me feel bad. But he goes, well, is there anybody else there who could sign for it? In other words, sir, are you a. Sir, are you a weird podcaster who lives alone?

[Andrew Walsh]

Sir, are you lonely?

[Luke Burbank]

Sir, are you. Are you up there by yourself most of the time, living a life of detachment from reality? And I had to say to him, yes. Well, I kind of lied, Andrew, if I'm being totally honest.

[Andrew Walsh]

I said, I have a lot of plans.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I said, well, I kind of split my time between that place and Portland, which is not true. I do stay in Portland at Becca's house. Sometimes splitting my time would be a gross exaggeration.

[Andrew Walsh]

But you just wanted to seem like you had a. I wanted to make.

[Luke Burbank]

It seem like this was just a house that I know less about the money and more about the, like.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I didn't mean rich in that way. I mean a rich, textured life. A big life.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that's the part I was lying about.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Yeah, right.

[Luke Burbank]

I wanted to see, like, I had friends and people who loved me and was surrounded by folks not just living. Living out here in an old funky house that me and my dad have been fixing up. Okay. Old funky house that he's fixed up where he spends most of his time yelling at his television because he can't get his Ms. His Ms. Now anymore.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right, right.

[Luke Burbank]

Which brings us to the streaming problem. So when MSNBC switched over to Ms. Now, I. You know, it was the. I guess probably the Friday after that had happened. It was a big news day. And for me, it's like a big news day is something not great for Donald Trump has happened. And I really, like, gleefully would like to watch our friend, television's Chris Hayes, kind of dissect it. It's. I mean, this is really bad, by the way. But it's so like sports for me. It's so much like sports. If my team wins or if something good happens for my team, I like to listen to coverage of it. I like to turn on espn, the whole thing. And so it was one of those days where something had happened that I literally had the thought, like, ooh, that'll be nice. I'm going to make dinner. I'm going to watch Chris's show. And so time comes around, I fire up my fubo, which I've been, you know, kind of the number one unpaid spokesperson For I think. And I get like a big like block of text that says channel not available. We are like working on this or something. And I was like, what? It would let me watch an 8 minute preview of Ms. Now in real time. So I was able to get to the channel, but it had a countdown going, going eight. And it was as Chris was going to commercial. So I wasted like three minutes of my eight minutes. Unlike a, you know, catheter ad or something.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know that that's the way their website used to work. It's been a long time. But I remember sometimes I was like, well, maybe it would be a big news event. So I'd literally just go to, you know, msnbc.com or whatever their main page is and it's the same thing. You get 10 minutes of con. I think this was 10 maybe. And you can. But then after that it times out and then I don't know, maybe if I refreshed my cookies or something. But anyway, so now they're. They're doing that to you. It's almost like my satellite radio in my car. Right? Like it's kind of like saying, you don't have this channel right now.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, the thing that was making me so crazy was I kept going online and like going how to stream Mississippi now. And then it kept telling me Fubo was one of them because this was so. I mean, I was literally like on the bleeding edge of realizing this. I was maybe one of the first people in America who has Fubo and was like specifically excited to watch Ms. Now like right after the changeover over. And so I kept being like mad at the Internet because it kept telling me that was on Fubo. And I was like, I promise you it's not on Fubo. Like I'm looking at it right now. And sadly, Andrew, don't praise the machines, but it was AI. AI was the first thing that was able to tell me, oh yeah, it's not on Fubo because Fubo and NBC Universal have parted ways. Which I also found interesting because isn't the whole thing with Ms. Now that they're not part of the whole like NBC world anymore?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I'm too confused about the partnership.

[Luke Burbank]

Think that that would not even be like affect them, but they still do somehow, I guess. So I was tempted to ask our friend Chris Hayes about it, but I thought I don't really. First of all, he's going on the air in five minutes and also he's not in charge of the Ms. Now streaming relationships with the various streamers.

[Andrew Walsh]

Also Ask him if he can help me with my Bluetooth device if it.

[Luke Burbank]

Doesn'T work with Hetfield.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Hayes is the backup.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, but I just feel there's a similarity there. Right. It's kind of like, hey, Chris, can you help me stream your stream?

[Luke Burbank]

Hey, Chris, you're on Ms. Now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Could you please tell me how to fix.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, people ask us. Now, again, we're not Chris Hayes and we're not James Hetfield, but people do ask us sometimes for advice that's on that level. Don't you think?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah. Sometimes I'm just kind of like, I think you can.

[Luke Burbank]

How do I download the show.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right. But anyway, yeah, so, so good on you for not asking Chris how to. So you. You've learned that the. The partnership is just over. And so people who. Like, maybe because msnbc, what was. What was MSNBC was a very big driving factor in you signing off on the Fubo thing. And this is the problem.

[Luke Burbank]

Third. It was the third leg of the stool of content. One leg being the Mariners, the other being the Seahawks. And then Chris Hayes and then.

[Andrew Walsh]

And. And whatever. I want to hear your story. But it's just. It's like that rant of just like these. These companies make it seem like we have everything at our fingertips now, right? Like, oh, the streaming services. You can watch anything at any time. But no, because it's going to disappear. It's going to move. Like, 30 Rock is going to day. You're gonna wake up and all of 30 Rock's gonna be gone off of Hulu and it's gonna be on maybe Netflix. And you don't pay for Netflix. And, like, there's just literally no stability. And no, like, we just can't. I really have been thinking more and more about getting back into, like, physical media with, like, buying DVDs or blue or Blu Rays. Every kind of blue technology is coming up today. The thing is, I don't have a player for that kind of stuff, but I'm getting so irritated by the impermanence and being jerked around.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, the funny part was I was literally. I just was like, how is it taking me this long to actually figure out how to get Ms. Now on my television? Because, like, that night I just gave up. And then I, like, returned to it the other day. And one of the things it was saying was, okay, you can go to the Ms. Now website and then you can enter your cable provider. Like, it was like, it's 2012. Like, I'm putting Comcast in, and then it's going to, to like, let me. Because I have a cable provider which I don't have anymore.

[Andrew Walsh]

That is still a common thing for like hbo. Like if you have kbo, if you have HBO as part of your cable package, it's not unusual for the app to say, log in using your Comcast.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, it just for some reason felt kind of weirdly throwback to me. And I don't know why. Maybe because since I cut the cable, I just think that's old Luke who used to have Xfinity and now I'm. But so I was like, well, look, if Fubo is not going to provide me. By the way, they'd also done that thing where they had slowly turned the water up on the frog. That is my checking account.

[Andrew Walsh]

Huh?

[Luke Burbank]

Because I, I, whatever it was I had gotten in on, you know, bought in on, on Fubo was like, I think it was 90 bucks or 80 bucks or something. I looked at it's going. It was charging me 1:17.

[Andrew Walsh]

Uhhuh.

[Luke Burbank]

Like some sort of deal stopped, expired or whatnot. And so I was like. I had heard really good things about YouTube TV from people. In fact, when I was doing the Fubo thing initially, a lot of people had said, we'll go on YouTube TV. And I will admit, because I'm old and because of the way that I perceive YouTube, I perceive YouTube. First of all, YouTube, YouTube TV and YouTube are different. That's something I hadn't really thought of. I think of YouTube as how did.

[Andrew Walsh]

You make that dumb mistake, Luke?

[Luke Burbank]

Like, they're separate apps, which I guess is pretty obvious, but also obviously is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Not because it's like, I'm not making. They're both called YouTube. One is called YouTube.

[Luke Burbank]

When everybody was telling, right? What everybody was telling me about, oh, you gotta get YouTube TV. I just pictured myself going on YouTube.com and having to next through a bunch of like colon blow ads before I could watch my content and then having my content interrupted by weird zergnet y ads again. Like, I know that I hear all the time, like, oh, you know, like 70% of the music in the world is streamed through YouTube and stuff. I hear, you know, and the people of a certain generation, that's where they get all of their news. That's how they get all their podcasts. It's all through YouTube, YouTube. And just because that's not how I experience my digital world. Like, I will see something on YouTube, you know, if. If I'm googling for something and it pops up on YouTube, I'll watch it on YouTube. But it is not like an entertainment hub for me in that way, if that makes sense, because of my experience with just the normal website, YouTube, which again, I find to have a lot of ads and, you know, just whatever. But I'd heard good things about YouTube TV, so I looked it up. And also, of course, they're offering a promotion, you know, so. So it's like 70 bucks a month or something. And I, I looked at in their cloud of content, of all the different logos of the things they offered, and what I noted was they had one for Ms. Now, in other words, they weren't calling it msnbc. It isn't like. Because I think that was part of the problem. FUBO might have. Even if you looked up FUBO in certain places, they might have still told you they have MSNBC because they just hadn't updated stuff. But I was like, okay, YouTube TV has gone to the trouble of actually updating this logo, so that's a good sign. And they have all the football stuff I want. They don't. I don't think they have baseball. I'm probably going to have to buy the Mariner or the MLB app or whatever.

[Andrew Walsh]

We're so screwed on that. Yeah, I already buy the MLB app, but the MLB app blacks out local games. So now I'm going to have to pay, I believe, an extension on my MLB app to watch my own TV team.

[Luke Burbank]

That's just crazy. That's going to make me so mad. But when, when that comes back around because. So I basically was like, look, Fubo, you, you. You're overcharging me. And you, you took out like. And now the other thing was these kinds of fights. They. I was later texting with our friend Chris Hayes about it after I'd already switched over, and. And I was like, yeah, I guess that the, the FUBO's not doing NBC Universal. He goes, yeah, like, he goes. YouTube TV kicked off all the Disney stuff for like a week, and then they, then they beef squashed and now they're back. So I did think this Fubo versus NBCUniversal could, could be like, they could solve it like tomorrow. That's the other thing. And then I would have switched, maybe for no reason, but anyway, the YouTube TV was cheaper. I switched over. I canceled my Fubo account, which was weirdly empowering. I didn't have a bad relationship with them, but you just feel so at their mercy for some reason that when you're like, no, I reject you. Yeah, it's very empowering, especially when you're.

[Andrew Walsh]

Kind of like, hey, listen, when you, I mean, it is empowering when you say you're not going to get my money anymore because you're telling them like, they must be losing. I'm hoping they're losing a lot of subscribers over this so that they're, they're getting the message. It's just so insulting to when these huge companies fight with each other. These huge rich, just billion dollar companies fight with each other while. And we're just left be like, well, will you stop fighting so we can watch the content we're paying for. Right?

[Luke Burbank]

So I. They didn't have a box to say. I actually, they probably did and I ignored it. If I could have said I'm doing this because you got rid of Ms. Now or you're not, you know, showing me Ms. Now. One thing that was also awesome was my billing cycle is up December 1st.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Burbank]

So they're like, you still have Fubo until December 1st. But I was like really glad that I didn't. Hadn't just paid for it. And so, and, and you know, for all the complaining I do about digital life in 2025, I have to say it was super easy. Like I downloaded the, the YouTube TV thing. I signed up for it on my laptop, I scanned the QR code and it's a pretty cool service. Like first of all, it has unlimited, like because it's in the cloud and whatever. It's like, it just ha. It just gave me me. When I signed in the first time, it just gave me like hundreds of tiles of shows and teams and things that I was interested in or like if, you know, asking me if I was interested. So I'm like, I'm clicking on a picture of Chris. I'm clicking on a Seahawk logo. I'm clicking on like Jeopardy. I'm clicking on all these things. And I think what I'm doing is training the, the YouTube TV to know what kind of content I like. I was creating recordings for all of this. So it has a live function just like you would have with normal cable tv where you can just scroll through all the live channels and it's got every live channel I had on Fubo, if not more. And also all of those things that I clicked on are all just now being recorded forever and ever. Amen. In the cloud somewhere. So. And I watched MSNL last night and it was great.

[Andrew Walsh]

Fubo did not have that, did it?

[Luke Burbank]

It did, it did. But it wasn't quite as easy and intuitive. Fubo also had unlimited recording. I think that's fairly Standard with certain services because again, I don't know where they're keeping that shit. Some server farm in Iceland or something. But for some reason you're allowed to record the mind reels thinking it. Thinking about how much stuff is being recorded. But maybe that's not actually how it works. Maybe it's not really recorded. Maybe I'm just going and accessing it from somewhere when it's time for. I don't. I don't understand.

[Andrew Walsh]

In other words, like you. If you and I both, quote, unquote, record Chris's show.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Are we both just accessing the same file as opposed to back in the day, it was an actual DVR recording where a local commercial would air. And you have captured that. Right. Like some Seattle specific thing. Whereas if I were watching it and capturing it in Boston, there would be different commercials. Whereas now even the commercials are dynamic. Right. Like you're not actually recording anything. You're just accessing content and then those commercials are up updating.

[Luke Burbank]

So I'm a YouTube TV man now and his father before him, and it's. Right now it's charging me 70amonth, allegedly. The max it goes up to is $80 a month. And now again, I'm gonna have to fit. When baseball season rolls around, I'm gonna have to figure that whole situation out, which I'm assuming will add a minimum of $20 to it, which will probably bring me back to.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I. You think?

[Luke Burbank]

Worse than that.

[Andrew Walsh]

More than that. So. So I believe I now I get it as a perk through T Mobile, but I'm pretty sure the going rate for MLB TV just for like everything but your local team is $25 a month now. But it's going to be more than that. I think if to watch your local.

[Luke Burbank]

Teams, you think like, what was the Mariners one last. The Root Sports or whatever they called it.

[Andrew Walsh]

That was. I was paying 20 bucks a month for that 1999.

[Luke Burbank]

But do you think it's going to go. You assume it's going to go up.

[Andrew Walsh]

I could be wrong. You know, the irony is a friend sent me a Washington Post article that explains what's going to happen, but I couldn't get into it because I canceled my Washington Post because of Bezos messing around with the editorial room.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. I have to give the Washington Post credit. That firewall is fierce. I also stopped, which we've talked about this really what we should all be doing is what you and Veeves did, which is we should be probably canceling our Amazon. That's a better way to get at Bezos than punishing the hard working journalists of the Washington Post. And yet I did take it as a chance to stop paying my Washington Post.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And it's not about the journalists. It's about the, you know, well, whatever. We don't have to get into it. It was always concerning when he took it over, but then when he literally said, okay, after the election, new editorial policy, the editorial board is no longer going to accept like op EDS from all different perspectives. We are now a free market newspaper, editorially speaking. You know, again, not, not the, not the journalism, but it's kind of like. Well, I don't, I don't, you know, I don't do that for the Wall Street Journal either. Like he made a decision that it was going to be a different kind of editorial outlook and we don't support that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I just, like I said, I, I'm friends with a few Washington Post journalists and I just think of the people there. I mean, they're doing fine. That's actually one of the few major newspapers in America that's, you know, financially seems to be sort of have their stuff in order. So, you know, they'll be able to survive not having my subscription. But anyway, so I will keep you posted, I'm sure, down to the granular level that no one cares about about how my YouTube TV thing is going, but so far, so good.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, while we're on tv, can we ease into the conversation or are we running out of time to talk a little bit about.

[Luke Burbank]

I was wondering if we might do this and you want to talk about the forward pro of a lifetime. Andrew, do you remember when Seinfeld used to talk about the honk around? Do you know the honk around?

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know. Remind me.

[Luke Burbank]

It's actually a pretty funny bit. It was, the idea was like you would have, there would be a horn in your car that would tell the car in front of you immediately in front of you. You're not honking at them, you're honking at the car in front of them.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know if I know about this, but yeah, that's smart, you know.

[Luke Burbank]

So this is the, this could be the hunk around of promos. Tomorrow is Thanksgiving and full disclosure, we're going to be on tape for Thanksgiving. But we have a brand new episode and we're going to be talking about that Joan Didion article in the New York Times about her sort of Thanksgiving traditions and stuff like that.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I am going to, by the way, post that very early so that you can listen to it while you do your Thanksgiving prep. And also note on that we won't be doing blurs days on Thanksgiving. We'll be honking those around a Friday as well.

[Luke Burbank]

So can I forward probate? It seems like a Friday kind of talking about Pluribus and the chair company. It just feels right to me for the Friday episode. So can we honk around to Friday with this topic?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And that also gives listeners an extra if you're behind on one of these shows. Friday will be a full week since the last episode of Pluribus dropped and almost a full week since the chair company. Because I want to talk about those things and I think we need to just sort of of be free to talk about them in a spoiler filled way. Would you agree with that?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, I, I'm. First of all, I'm pretty bad at talking about them and not spoiling. So that would give me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

So that, that would give me some latitude.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And that way we can just warn everybody and. And I think it'll be an entertaining conversation even if you're not following those shows.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, excellent. So that will be on Friday, but tomorrow is Thanksgiving and we will have a Thanksgiving themed show for. For you that I think it's honestly pretty good. I was there when we recorded it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I think it was pretty good. I mean, I was sort of there.

[Luke Burbank]

I was as present as I'm capable of being at any moment. Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, thanks for listening, everybody. That is going to do it for today's episode. But as mentioned, we'll be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you. In the meantime, have a great Wednesday, everybody. Get where you're going safely. Or if you're home getting ready for people, be safe. We've heard how dangerous can be in the kitchen. When Andrew electrocuted himself, it was a Thanksgiving eve much like this one.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right. 99 years ago, 99% of accidents happen in the home. So get out, get out.

[Luke Burbank]

Cooking accidents happen within one mile of home. So. All right, thanks everybody. We'll see you tomorrow. In the meantime, please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

And good luck to all. Power out.