#4618 A Real Mild Card

Summary

TBTL #4618: “A Real Mild Card”

Date: December 12, 2025
Hosts: Luke Burbank & Andrew Walsh

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Episode Overview

On this Friday edition of TBTL, Luke and Andrew catch up on life’s minor anxieties and modest aspirations, from the bittersweet closure of local institutions to the etiquette of “shoes off” house parties, and a detailed scheme to achieve the perfect egg bite. The conversation flows between nostalgia, minor grievances, and classic TBTL banter, sprinkled with warm stories about family, technical podcast upgrades, and midlife contentment with staying in. As always, listeners are invited to eavesdrop on a show that lives at the intersection of comfort, comedy, and the perils of adulthood.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Pursuit of the Perfect Egg Bite

[00:01 – 01:50]

• Andrew describes his quest for “the perfect egg bite”: dense rye toast with butter, “purple jelly” (grape), hash browns, ketchup artfully applied in a “W” for “wazz,” and a perfectly runny over-easy egg, yolk unbroken.
• Notable quote:

  “The trick of getting the perfect egg bite is getting all the flavors and the unbroken yolk into your mouth. Because if it’s broken, it’s ruined.” — Andrew, [01:10]

• This moment typifies TBTL’s blend of obsession over trivial things and intimate friendship.
• Becca and Luke react with affectionate mock seriousness.

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Friday Vibes and Fog in the Northwest

[02:44 – 04:56]

• Luke introduces the show amid “full fog” in the Columbia area, reflecting on the strange, almost balmy weather and the persistent rain in the Northwest.
• Luke laments “nature healing” and tongue-in-cheek muses on what this means for the future.

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The Sad March of Seattle Institutions Closing

[04:56 – 07:10]

• Luke is semi-mourning the loss of three important places:
  • Wild Waves, a beloved local water park
  • Jimmy’s Corner Bar, Times Square, NYC
  • The Shanty, a classic Seattle dive bar
• Andrew brings news of the Water Wheel’s imminent closure.
• Nostalgia and mild existential dread about losing places from youth and adulthood permeate the discussion.

  “This is why I can’t have nice things.” — Luke, [04:56]

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Weekend Plans & Technical Podcast Upgrades

[07:11 – 10:47]

• Andrew talks about holiday plans (Christmas tree shopping, a low-key birthday, waiting eagerly for a new microphone stand)—a “big weekend” in his book.
• Both hosts revel in the joys and tribulations of podcast audio gear, detailing Andrew’s anticipation for finally using a studio-quality mic on a proper arm.

  “This new microphone stand introduces a whole new era of microphone usage for me. The shotgun microphone will become a backup…so much more comfortable and way do you hear how much better the show is going to be!” — Andrew, [09:20]

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“Shoes-Off” House Social Anxiety

[10:47 – 22:24]

• Andrew considers bailing on a New Year’s Eve party at a “shoes off” house, insisting that socializing in socks makes him feel “infantilized;” he wants to be “fully dressed.”
• Luke, from Portland, admits to feeling similarly, then recounts an awkward shoes-off debate with a younger (and, as it turns out, also “shoes-off”) acquaintance at LiveWire.

  “I feel very vulnerable. I cannot socialize with my shoes off...unless we’re jumping in a ball pit, which I’m gonna opt out of anyway.” — Andrew, [11:33]
  “I feel slightly infantilized when I’m in my socks around other people.” — Luke, [13:01]

• Luke proposes slippers as a compromise; Andrew vetoes, not wanting to draw attention.
• Discussion morphs into cultural/generational divides over shoes-off houses, hygiene rationales, and the relative comfort of being adults who say “no” to invitations.
• Listeners are reminded: TBTL is a space for neurotic comfort zones.

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Nostalgia & New Year’s Eve Preferences

[22:24 – 24:53]

• Both hosts reflect on their preference for small, cozy, at-home New Year’s celebrations versus crowded, high-pressure public events.

  “I’ve never cared about New Year’s Eve or St. Patrick’s Day or any of these days that are supposed to be...celebratory because of this or that.” — Andrew, [21:47] “If I could have my absolute druthers this year, I would be doing New Year’s Eve at my house with maybe a maximum of six or seven people and ringing in the new year.” — Luke, [24:53]

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The Slipper/Bootie Debate Continues

[25:25 – 28:29]

• Becca reveals she owns “about 900-1,000” realtor-style disposable booties for guests; a solution neither host really wants to use, evoking further laughs about house rules and social expectations.

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Donor Appreciation and TBTL Community

[28:49 – 51:46]

• Luke and Andrew thank supporting listeners (“the financial lifeblood of TBTL”), reminiscing about old friends, favorite places (Carlsbad, NH, Omaha, St. Charles), and childhood songs about friendship.

  “At some point we will have monetized all our friends and family, and then, I don’t know, I guess we’ll just ride off into the sunset.” — Luke, [31:30]

• Honesty and authenticity in relationships is a recurring topic.
• Discussion segues into side conversations about insurance mishaps, the perils of boat ownership, and how the boat crash years ago wound up on Luke’s auto insurance—classic TBTL meandering.

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Sneaker Discourse & Disability in Casting

[47:14 – 51:41]

• Extended riff on the movie Sneakers, specifically Robert Redford’s age-inappropriate casting as a college student.
• Brief but thoughtful digression into casting sighted actors as blind characters; a callout for feedback from visually impaired listeners.

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Walt Burbank: A Saga of Over-Preparation

[51:56 – 64:42]

• Luke narrates his dad (Walt) attempting to book a timeshare for his sister—a comic escalation involving multiple devices, address anxieties, ticking reservation timers, and a climactic phone call.

  “My dad is like one of the sweetest, most peace-loving people that I know…There is one weird thing…when he’s on the phone…he is just all worked up.” — Luke, [62:45]

• Luke exercises restraint in not correcting his dad, reflects self-deprecatingly on his lack of chill, and celebrates the happy (if stressful) resolution—relatable family dynamics.

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Nostalgia & Trivia about Seattle Bars

[67:43 – 73:12]

• Luke waxes nostalgic about Shanty Tavern—its “Little Abner” sign, proximity to Seattle’s vice district, and its role in his childhood understanding of “where grownups go to sin.”
• Andrew recounts the wholesome backstory of the bar’s owner, John Spaccartelli—a Korean War vet, classic Seattle character, and long-time community supporter.

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The End of Wild Waves: Local Water Park Icon

[73:12 – 87:46]

• Wild Waves, the legendary Federal Way water park, is closing after one final summer (2026).
• Luke is emotional about this symbol of childhood joy, reminiscing about school field trips, the magical possibility of seeing a crush in swimwear, and the ultimate class trip.
• Hosts debate possible reasons for the closure: post-pandemic costs, shifting youth interests, or changes in social behavior (like buffet avoidance post-COVID).
• They tell a family tale of capering: using a hand-stamp relay to sneak a dozen people into Wild Waves during $10 day (“if we had a family crest, it would be us sneaking into wild waves as a family.” — Luke, [78:14])
• Andrew, a Wild Waves skeptic (“it always looked kind of sad from the highway,” [80:01]), is gently corrected by Luke, who gives regional/contextual flavor to why it mattered.

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Public Pools, Chlorine, and Urban Legends

[87:46 – 88:16]

• Segue into the classic “pee in the pool turns water blue” myth; both hosts investigate and confirm via NPR that chlorine’s “pool smell” does intensify with urine and organic matter.
• A Grown Ups (2010) movie clip is played, lampooning the “urine indicator dye” trope.

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Episode Wrap & Looking Forward

[89:47 – end]

• Andrew teases a gripping listener voicemail to be played on Monday’s show, adding to TBTL’s allure of casual intimacy and ongoing stories.
• Briefly, the hosts discuss Seahawks, their sad fantasy football misadventures, and jokes about Philip Rivers’ retirement and possible return.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Perfect Egg Bite:

“The trick of getting the perfect egg bite is getting all the flavors and the unbroken yolk into your mouth. Because if it’s broken, it’s ruined.” — Andrew, [01:10]

On “Shoes Off” Anxieties:

“I feel very vulnerable. I cannot socialize with my shoes off… Unless we’re jumping in a ball pit, which I’m gonna opt out of anyway.” — Andrew, [11:33]

TBTL Community Existence:

“At some point we will have monetized all our friends and family, and then, I don’t know, I guess we’ll just ride off into the sunset.” — Luke, [31:30]

Family Chaos:

“It was like the movie Sneakers, Andrew. If you think about it, it’s a countdown before you get locked out of the system permanently.” — Luke, [56:43]

On Wild Waves:

“…if we had a family crest, it would be us sneaking into wild waves as a family.” — Luke, [78:14]

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Key Timestamps

• 00:01 — Andrew’s breakfast and the perfect egg bite
• 04:56 — Luke laments closing of Wild Waves, Jimmy’s Corner, the Shanty
• 07:35 — Podcast technical upgrade excitement
• 10:47 — Shoes-off-party debate
• 17:23 — Cultural notes: shoe etiquette by nationality
• 22:24 — New Year’s Eve party philosophy
• 28:49 — Donor thanks and TBTL community
• 35:21 — Boat crash goes on Luke’s auto insurance
• 47:14 — Movie “Sneakers” discussion, disability and casting
• 51:56 — Walt Burbank’s overcomplicated timeshare booking
• 67:43 — The Shanty Tavern’s final days
• 73:12 — Reflecting on the significance and closure of Wild Waves
• 87:46 — Pool myths, chlorine truths
• 89:47 — Monday show preview & wrap up

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Episode Tone & Takeaway

This episode is classic TBTL: nostalgic, funny, gently self-deprecating, and filled with hyper-specific anxieties. The chemistry between Luke and Andrew, their affection for the minutiae of life, and the warmth towards listeners make for engaging, comfort-listening radio. Long-timers will delight in running gags and deep-cuts; new listeners get a strong flavor of what TBTL is all about—finding meaning and community in the “big feelings” about small things.

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Power Out!

Transcript

[Andrew Walsh]

Sorry.

[Luke Burbank]

Broke the egg yolk.

[Andrew Walsh]

I almost had it.

[Luke Burbank]

I had what?

[Andrew Walsh]

The perfect egg bite.

[Luke Burbank]

Enough with the perfect egg bite. What's the perfect egg bite?

[Andrew Walsh]

It's everything on your breakfast plate in one perfect bite.

[Becca]

That sounds great.

[Luke Burbank]

How do you do that?

[Andrew Walsh]

I could take you through it if you want to see it. All right, well, first you start with a piece of rye toast. It's got to be nice and dense so it can handle all the weight. So you take the toast and you put some butter on it. Now, you gotta make sure that you don't put too much. Cause it's gotta melt into the toast. Next thing after that is half a container of purple jelly.

[Becca]

Okay, you mean grape?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I guess that's grape. Put that on there really nice. And then here's the melsky secret hash browns. It both keeps it separate, yet somehow unifies it into one cohesive structure. After the hash browns, it's time for the ketchup. I put it on in a W for wazz.

[Becca]

That's right.

[Andrew Walsh]

And it's also the most efficient way to distribute the ketchup. So each bite has a little bit.

[Becca]

Of it in it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now, this is the perfect combination of flavors, but it's incomplete. It's time for the crown jewel, the over easy, Sunny side up egg. You put the over easy egg on it so that the yolk is facing the corner. Now, the trick of getting the perfect egg bite is getting all the flavors and the unbroken yolk into your mouth. Because if it's broken, it's ruined. If we've done, our gonna have a pretty good egg bite. I love you, babe. Here we go.

[Becca]

Calm down.

[Luke Burbank]

No, don't laugh.

[Becca]

This isn't funny, okay? It is serious to him. He is trying. I need a win.

[Luke Burbank]

Tbtl.

[Becca]

Guess what it is.

[Luke Burbank]

Guess what day it is.

[Becca]

It's Friday, Friday Gonna get down on.

[Luke Burbank]

Friday Everybody's looking forward to the weekend. Back here live at the Waterfront Village.

[Becca]

With my friend, the zombie, Jonathan.

[Luke Burbank]

You're looking good, Jonathan. Just got an awesome face paint job. What do you think? I like turtles. What you think I'm dressed to talk. I'm dressed to party hardy like an MC Scat cat. I like to rotate until the pain spreads.

[Becca]

And it's more of a numb, numb everywhere kind of thing. Okay, time for some serious crunching.

[Luke Burbank]

And boom goes the dynamite.

[Becca]

All right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. It's called the Danger Witch, and it's dangerously good. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. As Jay would say, he's got flow. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia, once again fully, I mean, fully enveloped in full fog. We've got the fog. I know. All week I've been talking about the crazy rain that we've had here in the Northwest. Lots of folks dealing with flooding up north of me here. And today, though, is another strange thing. It's. The rain seems to have mostly subsided. It is actually, like, incredibly balmy. It's like one of the warmest days on this date ever in the history of the state. I feel warm and I'm levitating. I think what we can agree is that nature is healing. This all seems very normal and. And very good for us and our future. Your immediate future. If you're listening to this involves episode 4618 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. I don't mean to sound, I don't know, cranky here at the top of the show. It's a Friday, of course, but I'm dealing with the potential loss of three different businesses that all kind of meant important things to me in one way or another. This is why I can't have nice things. First of all, a place in the Pacific Northwest that represented the absolute pinnacle of fun and joy for me. Kids and fantasy is going away. I'm talking about Wild Waves, the water park. And then you go all the way across the country. You go to Jimmy's Corner bar in Times Square in New York, and that is going away as well. A place where as an adult, I thought it was the pinnacle of fun and enjoyment. You scare me. You're an alcoholic. Also, the shanty is closing down in Seattle after this weekend. So a couple of bars, a water park, and a sad, sad Luke here on this Friday. Maybe this guy will be able to help pep up my mood. He's the longest running cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. I'm sure he's got some personal stories that'll make me feel better and I'm going to get all anecdotal on you. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Luke Burbank]

Good morning, Luke. We'll keep our powder dry on your special places. But you know what I realized yesterday was a bar that had been long, long rumored to be closing for years now apparently actually is closing at the end of this year, which is the Water Wheel in Ballard. Oh, yeah, that was at One of your haunts. I have some very fond memories of the Water Wheel.

[Becca]

You know, interestingly enough, I. I might maybe only went there once or twice.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe three times, maybe or four or four or five.

[Becca]

But it, because it's, I mean, it. It's everything that I love in a bar. I love the location kind of there in like Crown Hill, you might call it. It's the interior. When I even see, like people would make pilgrimages to the Water Wheel and kind of say, like, look, this is a classic Seattle kind of dive bar. I don't know if it just happened to be my lifestyle at the time or the exact, you know, the places I was frequent. I didn't go there a whole lot. But I'm sad to hear that it's going away because again, it's a, you know, it's a classic Seattle institution.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. I want to make sure that my information is right because I guess I am talking into a microphone to people whom this would affect. But I guess I should say that my source of information on this is an invitation that I got to like some sort of a. A yearly, kind of an annual. I guess that means the same thing, but it's something that a friend of mine puts on every. I think it happens at the end of December or the very beginning of January to sort of celebrate the changing of the year or whatever. And I rarely go to these things, to be honest with you. But usually they're at the Baron Off. But the invite this time said we're doing it at the Water Wheel because the water wheel truly is going away, I think he said in January. So that's my source on that information. A guy that you guys don't know who invited me to a party I might go to or might not go to.

[Becca]

Is that this weekend? Would that be part of some big weekend plans? Andrew?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think it's this weekend. I'm getting there. But we do have other big weekend plans. The biggest one I've ever had.

[Becca]

Big weekend?

[Luke Burbank]

No, it's a different weekend.

[Becca]

Okay, how about this?

[Luke Burbank]

This weekend though? I. Yeah, I got some things going on. I think I'm going Christmas, Christmas tree shopping with Genevieve, probably on Saturday. Gonna meet up with some folks tonight for a little low key birthday celebration. Not mine, somebody else's. But I think the thing that everybody's most excited about is these updates I'm getting in my inbox all week saying that my new microphone stand should be getting here someday.

[Becca]

And you said you didn't have big.

[Luke Burbank]

Weekend Santa time before 8pm today. My microphone stand should be here. And it's gonna be a whole new world. I'm so sick. This microphone stand I've been using and microphone has been so janky for so long. It's loose during the show like this.

[Becca]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And I hate it. And it's gonna be a whole new.

[Becca]

World to the table. Are you able to pick it up and show it to me? I should know what it looks like. I've been in your studio.

[Luke Burbank]

What it is. Well, this is gonna make a lot of noise, but what else are we. What else we got?

[Becca]

Theater. You know what? It's an audio theater experience.

[Luke Burbank]

So this is.

[Becca]

I've been using like a gooseneck.

[Luke Burbank]

It's a gooseneck that's attached to. But the thing is, this is actually tied into. This is tied into something that I did on the show last week, which was.

[Becca]

I wanted to just double check with you something, Andrew, real quick. You are intending to continue into the later stages of big weekend plan song.

[Luke Burbank]

Pardon me?

[Becca]

You know the music's still playing.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it's back here. It's part of my big weekend plans.

[Becca]

I love it. I didn't know. We never play it this long. I didn't even know there were more lyrics to the song.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, It's a whole song.

[Becca]

I love it.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm into this.

[Becca]

I like some audio spice.

[Luke Burbank]

I said it went away. I thought you ducked it out. I ducked it out as a joke. As in because you asked me if something was happening this weekend.

[Becca]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

And then I said, no, it's not happening. So Gotcha was abbreviated, but we usually leave it trinkling along. But anyway, all of that is to say it's not just. So this microphone I've been using is a shotgun microphone, which nobody uses as a studio mic that I've ever seen. And I've been using this.

[Becca]

No, you are one of one on that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. And everybody else has these different kinds of microphones, these shure microphones that everybody in the world uses. I even saw a New Yorker cartoon that says what your microphone says about you. And it has the shure microphone. So anyway, all of that is to say, do you remember a couple of weeks ago, on a whim during your introduction, I plugged in a different microphone, a fancy mic that I have had for years and years, but didn't.

[Becca]

We're all still recovering from this, but.

[Luke Burbank]

It'S actually went back to the tape. It sounded great. I don't know what you were hearing, but that microphone, it turns out, does not create issues with my setup the way I thought it did. And so this new microphone stand introduces in a whole new era of microphone usage for me. The shotgun microphone will become a backup microphone and I will have a true studio mic on a studio arm that is going to be so much more comfortable and way. Do you hear how much better the show is going to be? That's the upshot for listeners and you.

[Becca]

Is it an arm, One of these. I think they're maybe called a attenuated kind of like thing I'm using here. Is it basically one of these?

[Luke Burbank]

It's exactly like that. And you have the kind that I think I'm getting too, that has the. It has the cable already, like kind of snaked through it professionally. I got one of those things because it's going to. Because cable management is important to me. And so this is. This is where this is literally the type of stuff that TBTL donors support, no joke, that I can actually get equipment that I need to do the show. And so I'm very excited. Now the only concern is, you know, it says it's going to get here sometime before 8. My friend's party starts at 8. Will I be. Will I say to Genevieve, just go. Go to the Eagles without me and I will stay home and wait for my love to meet me here, and then I will.

[Becca]

Would you be allowed? Allowed is a weird way to put it. Would. Would that be something you might literally propose and would that potentially cause friction if you were to use the delivery of the microphone as a pretense for maybe staying in and. And kind of having maybe some Andy times?

[Luke Burbank]

No, I don't think so. I mean, listen, I'm my own man. I don't even have. I don't have to go if I don't want to. One thing that I do I thought you might find interesting is, yeah, I'm trying to figure out. Yeah, I guess I'll mention this. And I have not even talked to the people involved yet, but Genevieve was talking to some friends of ours, some good friends of ours who invited us over to. Genevieve basically was hanging out with a friend and came home and said, hey, we're thinking about maybe just doing a casual New Year's Eve at this person's house. They have a very beautiful house up in Shoreline. It's like, like, it's just so. It's very, very nice. And these are lovely, lovely people whom I adore and are close friends of mine. But it's a shoes off house and I went to a shoes off party at Their house.

[Becca]

A couple story for you from last night.

[Luke Burbank]

And it was. It's just like, I. I know I'm the weird one. I know tons of people, especially younger generations, I just don't think it affects them. But, like, I just feel very vulnerable. I cannot socialize with my shoes off like, it. Unless we're jumping in a ball pit, which I'm gonna opt out of anyway. I just, I don't. And the thing about a New Year's Eve party, leave early. I can't, like, go and pretend like I'm comfortable, but then leave at like 10:30 and say, well, I, you know, have to go milk the cows in the morning or something like that. New Year's Eve, you're locked in until midnight. And I'm like, I. As much as I truly, I'm not just saying that because they might hear this, because I don't think they will, but I just do not want to sit around for like four to five hours just like, with my shoes off, waiting for midnight to start. So I'm like, I told Visa, like, no, I'm just not into that. I don't know if she's still going to go or not. But, you know, I'll even, I won't say the shoes thing, but it also sort of speaks to the general vibe of a party. Like that. I sort of think I'm just sort of like, I'm just not. I said a while back, like, I'm an adult now. I can make my own decisions about these things. I know it sounds weird. I'm sure most of our listeners are like, what a weird decision not to go to a party because of that. But it is my decision. And that's the one thing I do love about being an adult, is I get to make my own decisions.

[Becca]

Andrew, I had an incredibly awkward cross generational shoes off conversation last night about someone that we know who shall remain nameless, may even be the person in question or the persons in question here, who you're describing. I'm not sure. I don't know how many shoes off.

[Luke Burbank]

People, you know, kind of doubt it, I don't think. Okay, good.

[Becca]

Okay, good. I was chatting last night. I'm just. This is going to be a maddening story because I have to be very vague about it because I can't blow up anybody's identity in this story. And I will tell you off air, but since you brought shoes off up, I have to tell you, last night, I'm at livewire and I'm talking to somebody and this person Said, oh, do you know so and so from Seattle? I said, yeah, I do. And they said, oh, you know what? I just, I stayed at their place and I was like watching one of their pets. I said, oh, what a small world. How'd you find out about that person? Or how did you find out that they needed housing? They said, oh, there's this kind of like listserv, kind of a group for people that are visiting town and need somewhere to stay and people who maybe need someone to watch their animals when they're out of town. Some kind of a little thing that coordinates that. I was like, how cool. And then. So then, because I can't ever leave well enough alone, I had to then go, oh, yeah, well, when you were there, was it a big shoes off situation? Because I know that about, about this person. And this person I was talking to said, yeah, yeah, it was. And then that should have been my cue to just go, okay, well I better just go out on stage and host this radio show now. But instead I said, yeah, that's kind of a problem for me. I feel kind of infantilized about it. And in fact, I've got a friend and I mentioned you who is very. And I didn't mention you in relation to the person in question, but I just said, my buddy Andrew, it's like almost a deal breaker for him. I'm saying this last night, Andrew, in Portland, independent of you knowing it. I said, it's almost a deal breaker for him. It's like, because it's like we. And I'm with you on this, it feels. I feel slightly infantilized when I'm in my socks around other people. And anyway, so I said I'm kind of, I'm kind of going hard on the idea of shoes off house. And this person I'm talking to, she says, well, my, my house is a.

[Luke Burbank]

Shoes off house, which is.

[Becca]

And I should have known. Of course, this person's much younger than me.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Becca]

But it's like, why did I need to. Why did I need to. Why did I need to go off on shoes off households when there was a. It turns out, 100% chance the person I was talking to is a shoes off house person. And how do you back out of that?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, this is what I think is interesting. And there's sort of like kind of vague TBTL ghosts that live in my head over this topic too. Because I think some people, I mean, rightfully so, when I, when I about this stuff, I think a lot of listeners are like, this is crazy. Like this. Like, I don't think that you and I are necessarily the norm in this. And by the way.

[Becca]

No, no, we're not.

[Luke Burbank]

I want to mention something. I also house sit or cat sit sometimes. For friends who are in a shoes off house, I have zero problem. Unless I'm in a huge hurry and I'm running in there and running out, I have no problem kicking off my shoes, going in there, feeding the cat, and petting it. I'm talking about there's something about me. I don't like to stand around and socialize in the same way I wouldn't go to a bar even if the floors are clean and, like, take off my sho and then go to the bar. Like, there's something about that that is a huge mood shift, tone shift, whatever. And I'm not comfortable that way. When I'm socializing, I like to be fully dressed. What I consider to be fully dressed in shoes. I think there are some people who are with us on this. I think there are other people who totally disagree. And I want to make it clear I am not at all judging the people who make that decision for their house. I'm just saying I'm at an age and a time in my life where I can say, that's great. That's your decision. The decision to make your house a shoes off actually makes way more sense on paper.

[Becca]

It totally does.

[Luke Burbank]

Especially for somebody like me, who cleanliness is, you know, cleanliness is important to me. And also, people be like, my God, you just got off the E line, and you're walking around your house. Like, that argument totally makes sense. I'm not trying to say that I'm right or whatever. I'm just saying that, like, well, when it comes to socializing, for me, that just shifts it into a gear that I don't like. And especially one where I know there's, like, a certain. Like, it's not a dip in a dip out for me on New Year's Eve. You're in for the long haul. I think it'd be more awkward for me to just show up and then leave at, like, 10:30, especially if Genevieve didn't come with me. So I'm just gonna say, no, I'm out on this one. But again, it's no judgment to shoes off houses. I'm just saying I think I'm at that age where people can be like, that guy's weird. And I'm like, yep, I guess I'm a weird old man.

[Becca]

Well, I agree with you that if you think for Even one moment about all the stuff that the bottom of our shoe is touching.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Becca]

Throughout the day and then coming into the home space. It's, it's actually kind of insane that any of us have worn our shoes inside the house like ever. Like that must have come around there. There certainly had to in the pioneer days when you were not wearing your shoes inside.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh absolutely. You have done all over them.

[Becca]

It might have been the like the invention of the vacuum cleaner. This is actually would be an interesting. Like when did, when did society become shoes on even at all? Because like that's a pretty crazy thing but.

[Luke Burbank]

And that's America too. I think that's the other thing too. Just to mention. And I think that one of the people in this house that I'm talking about, his family, I think he's first generation or something. I think that you know, American and I do think it's an American totally. Don't you think it's more of an American thing?

[Becca]

Absolutely. This person that I was putting my foot in my mouth last night with is a person who I believe is also first generation or parents were first generation, I guess you would say. So it's like. Yeah, I mean a lot of really a lot of indicators that I should have just retired the conversation about shoes off. But here's the thing, Andrew, and I can't imagine that you will see this as a solution. But what about. And I'm not. This is not like a joke answer or a joke solution to your problem. Problem. What about like some, what if you bought some, some, some slippers but you know, like robust kind. Not like, you know, not like nighty night but I don't know, I'm, I'm going around and getting ready for bed. Slippers, but just some kind of a.

[Luke Burbank]

Shoe, a slipper that is more like a slip on shoe than a slip on sock basically. Yes, yes.

[Becca]

And if you said. Because you've got. Now it sounds like a growing list of friends who. This is how they would like their home environment to be. Which again I want to try to get in front of the angry emails. I agree with you. It is a much more hygienic. Everything about it is better except for the one thing for me which is I feel silly with my socks on and but if you had a pair of yeah. Kind of house shoes that you just brought with you and you just said to these folks, hey you know what, I know you have a shoes off house which I really respect. It makes a lot of sense. I feel a little funny in my Socks. Would you be cool with me bringing these slippers over? They're never on the ground outside. I'm carrying them into the house, and I'll just kind of wear these around. And, I mean, my guess would be that people would say yes to that. Now, the downside is you are still looking slightly different than everyone else, which might be, you know, a different kind of embarrassment, but, like, that might be a solution if you brought something that was not your outside shoes, but that was not full, just fully socked.

[Luke Burbank]

I've thought about that before in a couple of different scenarios. And even this one, I think I was thinking about that the other day. But number one, that again, I just don't want anything that calls attention to me. I don't want to have the conversation with them. And again, I'm saying this because I'm pretty sure that they do not listen to this. And they. They wouldn't. Although, you know, I was thinking about what I would say to them, which is, I wouldn't bring up the shoes off policy because they would say something like that, well, you can leave it on. I know that they would make an exception for me. You know what I mean? But I don't want that. I don't want exceptions for me. And so I was even just thinking about being straightforward. And I'm trying to be honest with people these days. Not necessarily blunt, but not say like, I'm sorry, I can't make your party. That's a lie. I could make your party, but say, hey, I'm sorry, like you did to.

[Becca]

Me with livewire the other night.

[Luke Burbank]

Right, exactly. I'm like, I'm gonna be at a. I'm gonna be at a Vine.

[Becca]

I'd be at a. I'm gonna be at a restaurant. Att to the building you're in, sir.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. I'm going to be.

[Becca]

I can't make it into that part of the building.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm going to be in the lobby drinking wine. They have really good wine in the Ben lobby.

[Becca]

Don't miss it.

[Luke Burbank]

The best. What is it? Footprints in the sand. Speaking of feet, what is the. Oh, barefoot. Is that the really cheap kind of. I'm sure they do not sell.

[Becca]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Barefoot.

[Luke Burbank]

They don't sell that at Benaroya. I'm sure. But all of that is to say, I mean, that's sort of a social thing for me, is like trying to be honest with people, not saying, sorry, I can't make your party, when that's not true, but just to say, hey, sorry, I'm skipping out on your party. I'm just, you know, New Year's Eve isn't a huge deal for me and I'm going to stay home for a little bit of alone time or something. I want to be honest with people, but also, you know, but, but, you know, not, not hurt any feelings. But the thing about me though is when you talk about like kind of workarounds or whatever, like, and this is where maybe I'm just a jerk, is just like. I'm just very, very comfortable and happy being alone. So it's not kind of like I feel like I. And again, huge love to my friends who I'm talking about. But I don't feel like, oh man, I'm gonna be missing, missing out.

[Becca]

You don't have.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't have fomo. Especially on New Year's Eve. I think New Year's Eve is so overrated. I've never cared about New Year's Eve or St. Patrick's Day or any of these days that are supposed to be like, specifically like celebratory because of this or that. I mean, at least, you know, at least New Year's Eve is more, I think, sort of universal and has to do with the planet. You know what I mean?

[Becca]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

As opposed to it's not the tale.

[Becca]

Of a Irish saint who drove the snakes out. Right, Exactly. And you gotta wear green or somebody violates your personal space.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. And you know, I don't celebrate that. If you want to. I'm not Irish. I don't have any specific. Sorry, I'm just hearing your joke now about violating my space. Was that a kiss me, I'm Irish.

[Becca]

Joke or a pinching people kind of a thing? You go up and pinch someone because they're not wearing green.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, please don't pinch me. I'm not Irish. Anyway, I. Anyway, yeah. So I just. It's so easy for me to be like, like. No, I don't need to work around this because I'm very content.

[Becca]

You know, it's funny. Cause you and I do have fairly different personalities, but in this way I think we're coming into some alignment on New Year's Eve. I have always. The handful of New Year's Eves that I think of as being my absolute favorites have been when I have hosted a get together at my house. You know, I like doing New Year's Eve in the home environment. I could go to someone else's house too. Probably what I don't like is New Year's Eve out in the world. Because. Because you're never at the right place. It's always like, unless somebody put in a massive amount of time, like booking a table somewhere that's like, you know, a special, I don't know, booth and you got enough chair seats for everyone. And like it's always, everything is packed. You're always kind of standing around awkwardly because you're trying to get into this thing that supposedly is going to have this fun thing happening or it's near the Space Needle or the whatever and it's just like you're moving from location to location. It's never quite the right one. And then, I mean I do, I'm a sucker for the whole Auld Lang syne and the, you know, it's midnight and you kiss the person you're with, all that stuff. I, I, I don't mind that moment. I like the countdown. But just like for me what's really fun is to just like get together with a relatively small group of folks in the home environment, ideally mine, and then just like play music and have fun and have some drinks and like that's sufficient for me. But this is the one area that, that, because Becca's brother owns a bar in Portland and they always have a big balloon drop because like, you know, it's just kind of. I, basically what I'm trying to tell you is I was for the last couple of days trying to think of a, a way to propose the idea of just doing New Year's Eve here at my place and being like Becca and maybe seeing if I could get, you know, kind of just a small group of people, including maybe some of her family who I really like out here. And I just thought like, I don't think I can sell anyone on this because it's like for a lot of people it's like the fun of New Year's Eve is getting really dressed up. By the way, I don't have any problem with getting really dressed up just in my own house. That's another thing that might be slightly weird about me. Like I'll put on a full on suit just to be walking around inside my own house because it feels festive to me. But I'm, I'm kind of with you. Like if I could have my absolute druthers this year, I would be doing New Year's Eve at my house with maybe a maximum of six and seven, six or seven people and ringing in the new year. That sounds great to me, but I don't think I'm going to be successful in my, in my sort of argument for that. So I will be probably roaming the streets of Portland, you know, you know, doing the kind of typical New Year's Eve thing.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, if you're comfortable being in a shoes off house, I have the perfect party for you to go to. Because I mean, that is honestly what it sounds like this party was going to be. And again, it all sounds very nice. I could even imagine like playing games or something with these folks. I'm sure that would be fun. But. Yeah, it's just. It's weird how that lives in my head, but it just feels. I don't know, there's a. I feel like there's a formality around me when it comes to like kind of socializing and so. And when you remove that sort of barrier, it does feel like I'm a child again waiting to jump into this, the, the ball pit. So I'll let you know how.

[Becca]

I mean, the other thing is if you need them, I have, I would say about between 900 and a thousand of those little booties that you can put on. Like when you go to like open house house. I. Something was going on here where I thought, oh, I'm gonna, I'm going to need those because some part of the construction, who knows. So I was like, oh, you know, maybe it was. I had new carpet put in upstairs and I was. But I also was going to be working on this remodel thing up there. I thought I'm going to go up and down these stairs a million times. And they're kind of. It's kind of white Berber. So I thought I'll get some of those slip on things you cannot buy. Oh yeah. One to three pairs of those slip on things. The minimum amount is 1000.

[Luke Burbank]

That makes sense because yeah, who's. Who's buying them but realtors and construction.

[Becca]

And they're balled up. They're like this cr. It's this crazy, like black, I don't know, oval of those little booties that are just kind of rolled together. Like it's like a log of them showed up.

[Luke Burbank]

You know what it sounds like? It sounds like those. Well, sort of like those. The containers that hold dog poop bags. Yes, those are pill shapes.

[Becca]

It is very much like that. They're like. And so. And then the other problem is they. They're shrink wrapped for some reason in which is the worst. This is like the worst like design ever. So I get this shrink wrapped log of these booties which then to get to. I. I did use them. I used one pair of them. Which is what I needed to get to them. I had to cut into the shrink wrapped thing, which now the shrink wrap is like, is. Is ruined. And now I just have this loose log of booties that I don't know also. Where do you put that? Where. Like, anyway, if you need some and you want to just start throwing those on when you're at a shoes. Because that's another thing. My guess would be. And I know you're not going to do this, and I understand why not. But like, that also could be a solution.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe that would be so that. But that would be so. I don't. I wouldn't like that either. Like hanging. I mean, I know we did it once as a lark for that live show at your house before you sold.

[Becca]

Oh, that wasn't a lark. I don't want people messing up right before closed escrow.

[Luke Burbank]

But whatever. That was work. You know what I mean? Like, but it would be so weird, I think, sitting around with everybody or even just one person with big. They're so. They're so non.

[Becca]

They're so flattering.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, exactly. They don't like, blend into the background.

[Becca]

They're like having some sort of a.

[Luke Burbank]

Weird smile Smurf party when I.

[Becca]

That's what you're gonna be having on New Year's Eve by yourself. Yeah, yeah. They're very un. They're very kind of odd and unshapely and they make any shoe look kind of dumb. They're like, when I have to. Like, I did this story about this tofu company here down in Portland, Ota Tofu, and I have to wear a hair net because it's their food production. And it's like, there's no way day to be wearing a hairnet on television and looking in even the tiniest bit, like, forget cool. Just not like the biggest dork of all time.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, are you glad that you don't have a beard? I mean, maybe that one's the next level that you're really happy that you don't have a beard.

[Becca]

Probably so. Yeah. Yeah, right. Because that's a whole other level when you've got to have it kind of going on both sides of the head and everything. But yeah, I feel like those booties are the hair nets of feet.

[Luke Burbank]

I think you're right. In fact, get one for the beard, get one for the hair, get one for the feet.

[Becca]

Well, I've got them, Andrew. I've got hundreds and hundreds if anybody needs them.

[Luke Burbank]

Sounds good. Thank you, baby.

[Becca]

All right, let's thank some donors. These Folks are the financial lifeblood of TBTL. We are a 100 listener supported podcast, supported by listeners like Jenny Evans of Carlsbad, California.

[Luke Burbank]

Nice. Thank you, Jenny.

[Becca]

My two. My two yearly data points on Carlsbad, California. Been saying this for as long as we've been thanking donors from Carlsbad, California. I've been bringing up these two things.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, let me guess. Number one.

[Becca]

Caves.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, Carl's bad.

[Becca]

Point.

[Luke Burbank]

Right.

[Becca]

The caverns.

[Luke Burbank]

And judgmental towards Carl. Carl's bad. How about Carl's good? Or even just Carl's an okay guy.

[Becca]

How about Carl's dealing with a lot?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, exactly. How about you walk a mile in Carl's shoes through those caverns?

[Becca]

How about you take off your shoes?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Becca]

And then you put on Carl's shoes.

[Luke Burbank]

That's right.

[Becca]

You wear them for a while. Legoland.

[Luke Burbank]

Ah, yes, of course.

[Becca]

Right, The Legoland amusement park. And Tony Hawk.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, really?

[Becca]

Yeah, I believe he's from Carl.

[Luke Burbank]

Did he get his start in the caverns? Those are kind of like half pipes.

[Becca]

Sure, yeah. Skating.

[Luke Burbank]

Sure.

[Becca]

Also in the third and thirdly, Jenny Evans. Those are the three big. Those are the three big sort of things about Carlsbad that I like to think about when I think of Concord, New Hampshire, Andrew, of course. Well, I think of you and Genevieve living there. I think of you eating Chinese food at lunch when you were working at nhpr and then kind of feeling low key going back to work.

[Luke Burbank]

Yep, yep.

[Becca]

And then I think of Ryan Bengston.

[Luke Burbank]

Are you thinking of Ryan Bankston? Because he was literally my neighbor, like four doors down, and we were very, very good friends and remain in touch. And, Ryan, to see your name on this list is truly heartwarming and humbling. Thank you, Ryan. Ryan wrote me a note maybe five years ago and said, hey, just checking in. We hadn't talked in a long time, said, just checking in, and wanted to respond to some things I heard on tbtl. And I said, what the hell are you doing even knowing about tbtl, let alone listening to that?

[Becca]

Why is that our reaction?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know. Well, because he was somebody who.

[Becca]

I'm so mortified when someone from my past is aware that this is how I'm making a living.

[Luke Burbank]

Because I didn't do it at the time. In fact, I was probably listening to TBTL on my headphones while mowing the lawn when I knew Ryan and I had no part of this show. And so it wasn't part of our relationship. So then when I find out somebody. Somebody as Guillote would say, somebody That I used to know was listening to tbtl, I found it quite shocking. Then when he checked in again a few weeks ago or a couple of months ago, I was shocked to hear that he was sticking with it. So thank you, Ryan.

[Becca]

Really do appreciate it, Ryan.

[Luke Burbank]

That's really cool. Yeah, great.

[Becca]

At some point we will have monetized all of our friends and family. And then, I don't know, I guess we'll just ride off into the sunset, make new friends.

[Luke Burbank]

That's getting increasingly difficult for me with all of my rules about social life.

[Becca]

Exactly. It's going to be hard if you won't leave the basement on New Year's Eve, sir.

[Luke Burbank]

Certainly.

[Becca]

Certainly make new friends. But keep the old. One is silver and the other gold. Do you remember that one you learned that?

[Luke Burbank]

I do. I know that when I think I know it from a kid. At this point, I literally don't know if I just know it from you, but I think I know that.

[Becca]

An interesting thing to really be hammering into the minds of children. I mean, it's not a bad sentiment, but I don't think. I mean, maybe it is. Actually, I was gonna say, I don't know if it's that important to life, but maybe it is. Social connections are important. We know that. But it's just funny that that was a song that we were taught. Like, were they really worried that our move was going to be making new friends and completely forgetting the old friends?

[Luke Burbank]

That is because I remember singing a pretty sentimental song about that in sixth grade. It was like our elementary school End.

[Becca]

Of the Road by Boys to Men.

[Luke Burbank]

It was End of the road.

[Becca]

Let's see.

[Luke Burbank]

Mrs. Velardo poured out some malt liquor onto the stage. Everybody who is fact checking me there, Yes, I know. Mrs. Velardo was my third grade teacher, not my sixth grade teacher. I couldn't think of my sixth grade teacher's name at the time.

[Becca]

Brian Bankston knows you guys go way back.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. By the way, this is not, not really appropriate here, but I just want to say that little song you sang reminds me of something that I saw yesterday in a movie, which was like some little rhyming song. Teaching kids to still say please and thank you or something. That's not really important. The important thing is I heard it in the movie Ernest Saves Christmas, which I finally put on.

[Becca]

You did it in the beginning?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, sort of. At the beginning of the season, I noted that it was not available on any streaming service for free. But then as the season has deepened, I did find it on Pluto tv. Yesterday, I think, and I hit play on it.

[Becca]

Was it on Pinecone tv? Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

After what?

[Becca]

After the Butterbeef Mysteries.

[Luke Burbank]

Butterbeef Mysteries on Pinecone tv. I copyright to whoever put that or.

[Becca]

Blue sky did it.

[Luke Burbank]

But to answer the question, you and I were talking, like, would that stand up for us? We liked that as kids. Or at least I liked it as a kid. Would it stand up to watch it as an adult, but also somebody who has nostalgia for that time? And the answer is no, not that it didn't.

[Becca]

That was Jonathan Winters in it.

[Luke Burbank]

I know that guy. And I forgot that guy who looks like Jonathan Winters and his little buddy who doesn't really speak much. They're in all of those. I kind of forgot that.

[Becca]

Or if you had mentioned it, it.

[Luke Burbank]

Sort of went past me. But I will say this. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with it or that maybe if I had kids, maybe I'd watch it with them. But it is a children's movie. It is cacophonous. It is a lot. You know what I mean? That is like, there's nothing for it for me. There's nothing in it for me at age 49 in the year 2025, watching it myself while folding clothes. You know what I mean? So I'm not condemning the movie, but no, I made it 15, 20 minutes in. And then I said, you know what? Let's save this one for the children.

[Becca]

I wonder how far I would. I would make it into that movie. I won't know for a while because I am still locked into a serious Shetland situation with my dad. We got more Shetland to watch tonight. Speaking of my dad, I don't know if we'll get to this, but later in the show I was going to tell you about a somewhat maddening conversation that I overheard. It's really less about my dad and more about how. Just what I'm realizing is that I am a very unchill person in that I have the way that I think I would do things or handle things. And then when people are handling things their way, it's very unsettling for me. And I had a front row seat to it this morning. Morning. But let's actually focus on the task at hand, which is thanking Megan C. Perry, who's in Omaha, Nebraska.

[Luke Burbank]

Ah, thank you, Megan C. We call.

[Becca]

Her the Oracle of Omaha.

[Luke Burbank]

Is that what we call her?

[Becca]

Well, that's already taken. We call her.

[Luke Burbank]

Who's the OR of Omaha?

[Becca]

Warren Buffett.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I don't think famously.

[Becca]

Yeah, we Call Megan, our awesome donor in Omaha, which I think even has a better ring to it than oracle of Omaha.

[Luke Burbank]

Ma. Yes.

[Becca]

Jennifer Strom is our awesome donor in St. Charles, Illinois.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, thank you, Jennifer.

[Becca]

I have a feeling that's near the Mississippi river. And the reason is because it's kind of got a sort of a. I don't know, it sounds like a name that seems like it was a river port. Doesn't that sound St. Charles? Doesn't that sound like somewhere along the Mississippi?

[Luke Burbank]

I can't tell if you are punking me here because you looked it up because it is. Oh, wait, wait. It is literally on the river. But it is on the Fox river, though.

[Becca]

The Fox River.

[Luke Burbank]

What is the Fox River?

[Becca]

So my logic, I mean, something. I was onto something, but I was on the wrong river.

[Luke Burbank]

But Luke copyright this. A river runs through it. Like, quite literally, the Fox river runs through St. Charles. So St. Charles was built around a river, clearly.

[Becca]

Now, to take a little bit of the shine off of that W for me, I bet you that a lot of things in those days were built near a river because it was a way to get around.

[Luke Burbank]

So that's classic.

[Becca]

Yeah, you know, it reminded me. I mean, I was wrong about it. But that name. The reason that that name seemed to me to maybe be kind of associated with the Mississippi river was because. Remember when we did that sort of hitchhiking trip where we tried to hitchhike down the Mississippi and get to. Down to actually the state of Mississippi? The original idea was to try to float. Float the Mississippi River. And I got into the logistics of that, which are. It turns out complicated.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Becca]

But I was looking at all of these at one point. I'm looking at all of. Where could we park the boat in the. You know, the various. You know, when we get south of Cairo, Illinois. Because I think that was where it goes from kind of a pretty mild situation to just like heavy industrial track.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, it was going to be very, very industrial. Can you imagine? That would have been. I mean, maybe it would have have been amazing podcasting, but that would have been just an absolute disaster. That would have been such a disaster. I think.

[Becca]

I think it would have been a bad scene. I mean, it would have been. Again, it would have been memorable. But I think. I mean, just the level of difficulty. I know a person who. Kurt Brown Aller, the comedian writer, he jet skied the Mississippi from the very tippy top down to the Gulf. I think he was raising money for something, actually. But, like, that's kind of what you have to do, like, first of all, the coolest kind of, like, he did that because it allowed him to actually. Actually complete the mission. Because they're just like. It's just one of those things where the logistics of us getting in a boat, getting in a motorboat in, like, Lake Itasca and then just going on down through. You basically have the sections of the Mississippi, as I understand it, where it's pretty navigable and pretty safe for small boats, but it's like, a lot of, like, locks. There's just a lot of different, like, level changes to the river. So you're just constantly waiting, waiting to, like, get let out, you know, into the next lock and step down and whatever. And then there's some point where it stops being that way. And now your life is in constant danger because massive tankers are just, like, you know, shooting past you and there's nowhere to stop. That was the other problem. There was, like, these hundreds of miles where there would be nowhere for us to park the boat and, like, go stay in a hotel or even, like, throw out a tent or something. So.

[Luke Burbank]

And also, I'm trying to remember if this idea was before or after the crash, the great SS Disaster Voyage, or whatever we called that story you told on the show about the time you had. You couldn't get your boat out of the slip and then you ran out of gas. I mean, it was just, like, such a disaster story. And I remember enjoying that story. But I feel like we have these conversations about floating down the Mississippi after that. And it makes me wonder, what the hell was I thinking to even entertain.

[Becca]

I can't imagine you would have even entertained that notion after the SS Disaster Voyage. I feel like it might have been. It would have to have been before that, because I think I was feeling my oats. I think I thought I was a boat guy. And that was back when I'd be taking you and Camaro, Kev and our pal Nick Jar and out and stuff, and things.

[Luke Burbank]

And then we were just casually breaking down in the middle of the lake.

[Becca]

But there's different levels of boat breakdown. That one was that felt within the realm of, like, you know, the motor, the engine died or the battery died. Okay, that'll happen. We got towed back in. That was. But that didn't feel like it was as clear evidence of operator error and dereliction of duty. It was like, as me crashing into various boats as I'm jamming it out of the marina with Kamaro Kev's parents in the boat, I thought of that.

[Luke Burbank]

Relatively unscathed by the way, when I look back and I was re listening to that recently, it was such a bigger epic than I remembered. I remember people loving that episode and I remember being on the edge of my seat. But years go by and then you go back and you listen again and you really, you're just living life like a normal, free man right now.

[Becca]

It's really amazing because, you know that. That ended up on my auto insurance. Did I tell you this part?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I don't know. I don't remember.

[Becca]

Years later, I was switching my auto insurance. I was doing something with my insurance and I was going to be more costly than I was expecting. And I said, huh? Why is that? And they said, well, you had a claim back in whenever. And I was like, I don't think I've had a car claim crashing, like years and years. I don't know if I've ever even put a claim in on an automobile accident. And they were like, well, we have the date right here. And it was. And I was like. And what I finally figured out was it was the boat crash.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, this does.

[Becca]

It was on my policy and I guess it goes in the same category or something.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, so it wasn't a mistake. It just lives there.

[Becca]

It wasn't a mistake. I mean, it's like the classic thing they say, like when, when you, when you have an, an event and, you know, you have a car crash or some kind of a problem. And the question of filing the insurance claim comes down to is this going to cost me more money in my premiums going up, you know, or is like, is it. Should I, should I actually file the claim on this and just eat it on the premiums going up, or should I just pay for this out of pocket?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Becca]

And I guess I just, I thought, well, I'm done owning this level of boat now. Like, I was so. I was so happy. That's why. I don't know. I wonder if the Mississippi plan I would bid. I would be surprised if it was after I had had the big boat crash, because I, I think when I had the big boat crash, I kind of. Something inside me kind of, you could say something died, but you could maybe more accurately say I came to a realization that it's, you know, it's, it's, it's. It can be more treacherous out there than, than, Than you think. And like, I just, I can't imagine that I would have thought, yeah, the Mississippi river, that should be my next project as a boat captain, but it's possible. Who knows? I'm. I used to drink a lot.

[Luke Burbank]

I just can't. I can't. And I know that this might hit close to it. Maybe you don't want to talk too much about it because it is private. And I'm not sure if you're. If your insurer still listens to the show or not, but it doesn't seem to me like those should go in the same buckets because insurance is kind of like, do we trust you with said equipment and experience? And I sort of feel like if you have a stellar driving record and you're really good at driving a car, but then one day you have a, you, you try a boat situation, it doesn't work out, and then you say, you know what? I'm never going to ride. I'm going to. Never going to pilot a boat again. And then you leave that behind. But, like, it's too bad that boat situation will forever be attached to your car situation. It's like, but you trust me with a car and I'm not going in a boat anymore. I feel like they should be different things.

[Becca]

Well, here's the thing. One, I don't think it was actually involving insurance agent to the stars Kevin o', Brien, who I love and who is still my insurance agent for many things. I think it had to do with when I was insuring my car in Oregon. If we just really want to dig deep into detail.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, we do.

[Becca]

Let's do it. Why not? You know who loves this? Megan Rodriguez of Austin, Texas. Megan is in Austin going, like, I wonder what the insurance implications are of crossing state lines. I think what happened was, I, because Kevin is based in Washington state, when I had my time living in Portland, I think he said, you know, for some part of me, it was my auto insurance, basically. I, I was, it was a new provider. And, and so what happened was, I don't even think it was that my old insurance was jacking up my rates because of the boat crash. I think it was the new provider was trying to get a sense of me.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Becca]

And by the way, apparently they can. I think this is the, this is the subject of some amount of legal wrangling. But, like, I think insurance companies use your credit score sometimes. Like, and I think that's something that's been pushed back on as, like, that's really unfair to a lot of people. Like, but the insurance company obviously is trying to, you know, watch their bottom line. And one of the things that they're trying to do is get a sense of, like, what sort of a Liability, are you?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Becca]

And so I think what it was was a totally new company that was telling me, we're. It's going to charge you X for this auto insurance. And I thought, boy, that's a lot higher than what I was paying. And they said, well, we're looking at your record of filing claims. And the boat was on there, but it didn't show up as a maritime disaster. It was. It was just. It seemed like it was just a claim. That's why I was so confused, because I was like, did I have a car crash and not know about it and file a claim for it?

[Luke Burbank]

We're going to recommend the wild card policy to you, Luke Burbank, as in, you are one.

[Becca]

Oh, man, you should have seen how wild I was lasting that. After Livewire, there was a big after party down at the show bar in Revolution hall, and I could not have been on the road faster. Faster. Going back to my home to the point where my phone was blowing. People like, where are you? Why aren't you down here? Huh? Hodgman. John Hodgman's on the show. He's like, I thought we were getting.

[Luke Burbank]

A drink, thought we were friends, that we were building something kind of literally.

[Becca]

I think that might have happened. He's. The guy is such a mensch. I mean, what an absolute sweetheart. But we were talking in the green room. He's like, I'm going downstairs. You're gonna be down there. And I was like, I think so. No intention.

[Luke Burbank]

You didn't. You didn't even stick your nose in. I guess I knew I show your head, then you can't get out.

[Becca]

You're like, then I can't get out.

[Luke Burbank]

You're gonna. You're gonna relate to a conversation that Howard Stern had about his upcoming holiday party that you haven't list yet about how I'm getting back there. Have you gotten to the I love the holiday party talk? He gets there, and he's talking about how he's like, you know, I get in. I don't want to tell people not to talk to me, but we just need a period where maybe I can just eat. Because he's like, I come in, and then there's. There's like a coat check area. And immediately people start talking at the coat check area, and you never get out of the coat check area.

[Becca]

I. I did not want to. Well, one. I was just tired, you know, and. And I just wanted to. I wanted to get home and. But it was. Boy, you just talk about. You talk about the opposite Of a wild card. I don't know what's going on with me. It's like my dream night these days. Episode of Shetland not to be started after 8pm A couple of steal a couple of waltz Vienna fingers and in bed by 9:30.

[Luke Burbank]

Are you watching those by yourself now or was he there?

[Becca]

No, no, no, my dad is. In fact he had to steal the final episode of the season of the new season. Didn't even drop. It didn't even hit England until like Wednesday night. And my dad was just like friggin going full sneakers on it, just toasting the quarterback.

[Luke Burbank]

Nice.

[Becca]

And he was like okay, it's downloading, downloading. And then I just hear Shetland playing on his computer.

[Luke Burbank]

He's like got it man. And your dad is actually young enough to play Robert Redford in college. You remember how they sneak that in the beginning they show like whatever present day Robert Redford is but they try to make him look like he's still a college student. They don't recall cast in other words. So you have like this 45 I.

[Becca]

Don'T think I've ever even seen, I've.

[Luke Burbank]

Never seen the whole thing but I remember being curious a long time ago now, five, 10 years ago. And I put it on and it's so funny because Robert Redford is playing himself as a college student at the beginning of it and he must be.

[Becca]

He must be well.

[Luke Burbank]

Old. Was.

[Becca]

Let me use this time to thank James Hayes of South Orange, New Jersey. Hey, that's a great town. South Orange, New Jersey. James, thank you for supporting the show.

[Luke Burbank]

Thanks for being from there James. You'll find this interesting. I'm talking directly to James here. Yeah, Robert Redford was 56 years old when Sneakers was released. So let's say maybe he was 55 during. And I'm not trying to be ages here. I don't think I should play a college student either. And I'm a young 49, you know I am not a young anything but. Yeah, so it's just really interesting. They use like kind of of lighting and creating shading and like very. But it's just like recast just. I guess the problem is if you have Robert Redford, you don't cast a young Robert Redford. He plays himself. He does all of his own playing.

[Becca]

That's one of the things they did in that movie. Sorry J. Kelly, the new movie with Sandler and George Clooney in it is they have. That's why I was saying that movie kind of felt like a throwback to me. A Significant portion of the movie is someone who's not George Clooney playing like a 24 year old George Clooney, but.

[Luke Burbank]

They have another actor doing that.

[Becca]

They have another actor. Actor doing it. They're not trying to do it with cgi. They're not trying to do it with creative, you know, wig, wigsmanship. It's just like a, it's a, it's a person who looks, to be honest with you, not that much like George Clooney to my, to my eyes a little bit. I mean, you know, but it's like they went with it. You know, it's kind of surprising in 2025 because you'd think, oh no, they're going to just CGI, you know, they're going to their AI guy, they're going to put a bunch of ping pong balls on Clooney. They're going to have Andy Serkis play a young George Clooney, but then they're going to put his young face on it or something from Roseanne. This is going to be so annoying for the listeners who have seen the movie Sneakers because I have not seen the movie Sneakers, but I know Robert Redford's in it. I just always assumed he was just like the leader of the crew, but that he was like a FBI guy or something. Like you had the young, you have like the, you know, is it like, is it Christian Slater? Isn't it a River Phoenix or one of those young stars?

[Luke Burbank]

Let me see here. I don't remember that much about it and I will, I want to say in case I, in case I gave the wrong impression here. It only begins with a flashback of them in college at the beginning of their hacking careers.

[Becca]

Maybe it's him and Aykroyd or something.

[Luke Burbank]

It says Robert Redford, Dan Aykroyd, Ben Kingsley. No, no, no. Mary McDonnell. River Phoenix. There you go. Sidney Poitier and David. I don't know if I'm saying his name.

[Becca]

A young David Strathearn.

[Luke Burbank]

Strathairn.

[Becca]

The good night and good luck guy, I think.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, okay. I get him confused with another guy with a similar name who's like an action guy. Do you have any idea.

[Becca]

Oh yeah. Jason Statham.

[Luke Burbank]

Statham, yes. Straight Theron.

[Becca]

I don't like the fact that it looks like they have Stray Theron playing a person who is blind.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, is this true?

[Becca]

Because he's not in real life and he's holding a cane and they have him looking in a direction that is not towards the camera in the way everyone else is looking at the camera, which I read to the. To mean his character, someone who's visually impaired. Not that we need to litigate this on a Friday morning, but like, do we feel like. I feel like there are probably enough great actors who happen to be visually impaired that that'd be a really good opportunity to cast them in the role.

[Luke Burbank]

That's really interesting. I mean, what you said. I mean, how could I argue with that? You know what I mean?

[Becca]

Better not.

[Luke Burbank]

That is a good. You know, that is a good point. Like, that is a good opportunity to maybe cast people who are otherwise overlooked. So I can't argue with that. I will say. And if this makes me sound like a cad or not a cad, but if it me feel like in a thoughtless. It didn't occur to me that it would be controversial to have a sighted person. It might not be a blind person, because it is. And this is where you get into that stuff. Like, what is somebody playing. Well, a different race. Okay, well, that. I think we agree that one's not great. Yeah, exactly. But then also. But then also acting is acting like someone else. But then, like, are you playing somebody who has some sort of other disability? And then you're like, okay, you know, so I don't know where it is. The blind thing had not occurred to me. And I'm trying to think of other.

[Becca]

Movies with maybe, well, Scent of a Woman without.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. Okay.

[Becca]

I was thinking there's oddly referenced a lot on the show lately. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

That's all I know. So. Yeah. So that's kind of interesting. I know we blind listeners. I'd be open to hearing what you guys have to say about it.

[Becca]

Yeah, absolutely. I'm. Yeah, I'd be curious too. I mean, you're right. It's a kind of one of those, you know, the idea of acting is you're pretending. Well, if we could go back to the great words of Ian Mc Kellen.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Becca]

How do I act so good.

[Luke Burbank]

Anyway, words. They are written on a script.

[Becca]

Thanks to our donors for making TVTL happen.

[Luke Burbank]

Hello and welcome to Top Story.

[Becca]

I got some big weekend plans, Andrew, of having my family. My family over this weekend. Primarily Saturday night and Sunday for kind of a holiday get together. I was trying to keep the pressure super duper low on it. In other words, I was like, no presents, please. Although we have now decided to do like a white elephant or something.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, okay. Yeah. That always goes well with your family. Yeah, right. That. Oh, good. I'm looking forward to Monday's show.

[Becca]

Oh, good. The thing that creates maybe the most drama in our family, like from. I didn't want people to feel. I didn't want anyone to have this on the calendar and be feeling stressed, like, oh, I got to get a present for everyone and I got to wrap them and bring it them in because I don't want anything or need anything. And so I was like, no presence. I was like, I will do all of the food. You know, all of that has also crumbled because some, you know, various siblings are bringing stuff. But I just wanted to have like a fun hangout on Sunday kind of around the holiday, but not in a way that it's going to be adding stress to anyone's life. That was kind of my, my whole goal with this and, and we're still pretty much on track for that. So I'm, I'm excited about, about that. But I also decided, well, it had to do with my dad's schedule. But it was like there was kind of one last thing in my. In my house that had been untouched during all of these, like, years of Renault, and that was this, this very small bathroom, which, when I bought this house, was the only bathroom in the house. And it's never been, you know, painted or updated or retiled. So that's what I kind of have been working on with my dad a little bit this week. And so it means that my dad's been staying here. We've been watching Shetland. We've been, you know, cooking up meals. It's been really fun, actually, per usual. But it also is. It is the, the case that we have different ways of being in the world. Me and Walt, he's a little more of a belt and suspenders guy and we ran into it this morning. I had the hardest time not telling him I told you, so I didn't. I'm. I guess I'm doing it here instead because he's not. He's not a listener. Listener. And by the way, Sibs, when you come over on Sunday, be cool. Nobody drop a dime on me if you are listening to this.

[Luke Burbank]

Also, thanks for listening.

[Becca]

Yeah. And supporting. We've got my sisters, my sister and brother. Donate. As does my mom, by the way.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you.

[Becca]

So, thanks. Told you one day. Thank God I'm from a big family, so we've got a lot of potential investors.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, that's very. That's a good way of looking. In fact, when you greet your family this weekend, I would like you to say welcome investors for you.

[Becca]

Yes, I have a PowerPoint and a perspective. I'd like to share with you about investing in tbtl, it's a. I'll tell you the arbitrage that goes on. They invest in tbtl, I get a paycheck and then I pay my dad to renovate the bathroom. Yeah, it's sort of the way. It's sort of the way that all the like, AI stuff works now where it's like they're all loaning each other the same $10 billion so that they can keep doing it. That's basically what goes on here on a much smaller scale. But so my dad.

[Luke Burbank]

Dad.

[Becca]

So my mom and dad, you know, are in this like one of these timeshare things and amazingly they actually get their money's worth out of this thing. They are constantly going and using these timeshares, I think much to the disappointment of the people who run the time.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. Yeah. Like we didn't expect you to show up.

[Becca]

We sell you this and then you never come use it and then we sell it to someone else. That's how. That's. It's. You are not supposed to use all of your credits every single year. Burbanks. But. But they do. And so my dad was booking. My dad was using some part of their account, I guess to try to book a room for a couple of nights in Seattle for my sister Liz and her family. Because, you know, downtown Seattle, they got the big Christmas tree up and I think the idea was, oh, it'd be fun to take a little kind of winter break weekend trip over to Seattle, kind of walk around, do some shopping and stay right down there. And they have like one of these. Actually it's the Camlin Hook Motel in Seattle, which for years when I was in my 20s, there was a really cool bar called the Cloud Room that was at the top of the Camlin Hotel. It was real kind of old school Seattle now it's a world mark. And now my parents can like call in and get, you know, kind of like get rooms there. But it's one of these like, it's sort of like flying standby. So this whole week my dad has been like carefully like refreshing, refreshing, refreshing the page to see if there are room was available. And sure enough and they hadn't been available. Hadn't been available. And sure enough this morning he's like, oh wow, there's a room. So he's like, he's. He's got. He starts out with, I think he's on his laptop and he's trying to put in his. In. Put in the information to book this Guest thing. But he's really intent on it being my sister's legitimate information. So he's like, what dude, do you have a. Ah, I can't find Liz's contact card in my laptop. So then he gets out his iPad. So he's got his iPad going now, but he's. And the clock's ticking because from when that you. When you start the reservation, there's 14 minutes. It's really like the movie Sneakers, Andrew.

[Luke Burbank]

If you think about it, it's a.

[Becca]

Countdown before you get locked out of the system permanently. And so he's like, now he's got his iPad and he's trying to find the contact. He's like, dude, you have her info? And I'm like. He's like, because you know this thing is always kicking me out. And I go, hey dad, they don't care about her address. Just put your address address in. Like it's, it needs to be under her name obviously, but it doesn't need to be her address. That is no relevance to this. He's like, well sometimes if. And I can just tell that he is just fully at this point making things up. This has never been a problem. Well, sometimes if, if it's not their address, then it's, you know, and I can hear him deciding like how far do I want to go into this lie? Like, because there is no universe in which she shows up for the reservation and they say, what is your address address? Because it's on there. It's on my parents wedding.

[Luke Burbank]

She's like, yeah, like I do when I always have. I, I keep my friend's address in the back of my head when I'm using, when I'm using the dump up in Shoreline. Cuz I have the sticker for it. But I'm always worried they're going to grill me.

[Becca]

And the thing of this is, it's all above board. He's using a guest pass. It's on his account. It's not even like there's no skullduggery here.

[Luke Burbank]

Right?

[Becca]

There's no, like, it's not like she has to, to like my two nephews have to get into a trench coat like Olsen twins and pretend they're one Walter Burbank or something.

[Luke Burbank]

You could just say yes, she's living with us temporarily.

[Becca]

Like, I mean there are so many explanations.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, unless there was something about your showing your ID and there's like your ID is the wrong address. But the only thing is like I've had the wrong address on my ID for years and Years and years now.

[Becca]

Yes. There's no. There are a million ways in which this address being associated with my sister's actual place of residence is absolutely and completely superb. And the clock is counting down, and it's like. But I can just see that my dad just, you know, he's just a detail guy. You know, he's just a guy. I mean, he's a guy who pays his taxes on every dime that I pay him for this remodel. He pays the appropriate state and federal taxes on, like, from his son. Giving him Venmo. Him. Him money.

[Luke Burbank]

You're actually meeting him in a garage with a suitcase with a briefcase full of money. That's how you're paying him. And then he's fine.

[Becca]

I've paid no taxes on the money. I mean, it's coming from offshore account. It's untraceable. But, I mean, that's who this guy is. And, you know, I respect that about him. And so I was trying to. In the moment. I wasn't trying to push him too hard on it because I could also see that it was starting to kind of the stress of it with me. And again, he's 71 or 72. One day I'll know how old he is. He's in the 70s, and he's, you know, he's got this ticking clock, and he's trying to navigate these. He's got the iPad here. He's got the. He's got the. He's got the laptop, but he's typing something. I think he's texting her from his phone now. So now we've got three devices going. Got the phone because he's texting Liz, trying to get her address. And I'm like, she's a teacher. She's in class right now, so. And by the way, also, all of the alerts are on on all of his devices. Oh, volume wise, volume, it sounds constantly. So Hawk Squad is popping off because we've also just learned that Wild Waves is closing.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I sent everyone on my press release. I sent you the press release two days ago. I said this could be a good show topic if this was important to your channel. Childhood. You never responded.

[Becca]

Hold on. Really?

[Luke Burbank]

Did you seriously not. I kind of thought it was interesting because I was proud of myself for. See, I didn't break the news, but I saw the press release before the newspapers picked it up because somebody tweeted it out. And I sent that to you from the bus the other day.

[Becca]

I'm sorry. You know what? I haven't Even opened it. Goodbye, wild waves. I am so sorry. It must have come in.

[Luke Burbank]

That's okay. I was just looking for the. Atta boy.

[Becca]

Well, atta boy. No, that's a great story for us. Thank you. There's another story about that 41pm on December 10th.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I just remembered sending that to you from the bus. I was like, very productive on the bus the other day. I was listening to TBTL voicemails. I was sending you show topics. I had a whole little. I had a whole little Walt situation going. I had several laptops and an iPad.

[Becca]

Well, that's what, that's where we find ourselves now in this part of the story is. And by the way, it's also like when he types on his iPhone, it's. You hear the sound of like the clicking of. You know what I mean? That kind of thing. So he's. He's clicking away, trying to text Liz from the iPhone about like what you're asking? Address. Meanwhile, he's got the laptop up, he's got the iPad going. Each one whenever a Hawk Squad message. And when the Hawk Squad messages start, they're fast and they're furious. So it's just like, bing, bing, bing. Yeah, typing. The clock is ticking down and all I want to say is the address doesn't matter. And then he's finally like, oh, okay, I think I found it. And then he's like. And then he's like, God damn it.

[Luke Burbank]

Did the time run out?

[Becca]

He ran out of time.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, no.

[Becca]

And I'm like, oh, man. I feel bad for him because he's fresh frustrated and. And I know at this point it's not like I don't. It's killing me to not say, dad, you should have just, you should have just put in a made up address for that matter, or your address. That's what killed you. That's what, that's what, that's what delayed you. So then he's like, I hate this system. If, if he could have changed, blamed it on Chinese, he would have. But he's like. But he's like. So then he's like, now I gotta call him. So he's like calling and I can just tell. And my, my dad is like one of the sweetest, most peace loving people that I know. Like, he is just an absolute sweetheart and is really thoughtful to people and is just great in that way. There is one weird thing which is like when he's on the phone, I don't know if it's because he can't see the person or maybe just he's feeling stressed. So what he thought was he had secured this room for his daughter, who he loves, and now he's being told he's getting locked out of the system. And now he thinks that the room has probably been given away or, you know, rented in the time that he's now trying to get on the line with these people. So I can just see kind of feel his kind of tension level riding. And like the. I can hear the person who answers the phone. They sound pretty nice. Like, hi, so and so. And it's like the opening salvo from my dad was. Made me so crazy. It was like, first of all, I would say 700 decibels louder than it needed to be. Not yelling, like I'm mad at the.

[Luke Burbank]

Person, but it's just all worked up.

[Becca]

He worked up. He's like, hi, this is Walt Burbank. My owner number is. Sorry, my. My own. I'm sorry goes into like a coughing fit. My owner number and he's like reading the stringers. I'm trying to get. I was trying online to make the reservation for my daughter and she. And I just hate this system because it just does this to me all the time. And if I can't, if I'm not able to get this room for her, I'm going to be. I don't know what I'm. I'm going to be. And it's like this is a solid minute of preamble.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Becca]

Which like, I get, by the way. Like, I get worked up in my own way about it. Like, I know what's going on here. I can kind of. I can. I'm watching it happen in real time and I'm understanding what the, what the driving factors are.

[Luke Burbank]

It's relatable. Yeah. I mean, I don't know to what degree I've done that, but I know that I've been in frustrating situations before. And then by the time I get somebody on the phone, I have so much to say. I mean, I do it on this show. So. Yeah. I mean, it's both. I understand what you're saying. From a detached point of view, watching this almost like a slow motion car crash.

[Becca]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

From afar. But also, I don't want to go too hard on your dad because I've been there as well. Yes.

[Becca]

I. So I'm like, I got to get out of here because I can't be in the room. When he finds out that they, that somebody else has rented the room. I was like, I Don't want to be here for that. So I like, it was actually good for me because I was, I was procrastinating on doing my jog on the treadmill. So it was like a really, I was like, I got about 10 seconds to get out of here before the hits the fan. I know a dad who's at his limit limit run out here. And amazingly when I come by the time I come back inside, the room has been booked. It's all good, it's all worked out. They helped him out, he's all set, he's all ready to go. So there's a happy ending to the story. But it was. And I was proud because of myself because at no time did I tell him, dad, you didn't need to put the address. And it's just, it's a jib jab. Don't need the real address.

[Luke Burbank]

It's a jib jab. Now I need to tell you a little bit of a story that is hot off the presses.

[Becca]

It is nice.

[Luke Burbank]

Super hot off the presses. But it's a short one. Don't worry. A moment ago when we were talking about the movie Sneakers, I thought what I need to do for a show pick is find a clip youthful Robert Redford. You quote unquote, youthful Robert Redford, unquote. You know him as a 55 year old playing a college student from this movie. But the thing is it's just a flashback at the beginning of the movie. It's not his main look. His main look in the movie is actually wearing a youthful letterman's jacket, but as a 40 or 50 year old man or whatever he plays in the movie. So I'm clicking around Google images, sneakers, Robert Redford, college or whatever. I find the perfect image. I'm looking around for better ones. There are, there's only one really. And it's. He's got a little mustache, he's got this giant wig on, he's sort of half in shadow. And I'm like, well, this is perfect. It even looks square. And ours have to be perfectly square for, in order for itunes to read them or whatever. So I click on it and it's a snake eating its tail. It just took us to TBTL. It's the show pick that I use for episode 3956. The title was I don't know How Dirty those birds get from May 31, 2020 23. It looks like Andrew does exactly what all of his years of cybersecurity training have taught him not to do. Plus Netflix has officially started cracking down on password sharing. So we must have gotten on some sort of a hacker kind of conversation. And I'll bet you I brought up the same exact point.

[Becca]

Oh, and I bet you I was.

[Luke Burbank]

Surprised I have it captioned here. I don't even caption these photos usually, but this one is captioned robert Redford as a very convincing college age hacker in snow sneakers. So anyway, I guess we owe some donors their money back.

[Becca]

What is sadder? You? No, no, give back. Sorry, I gotta pay Walt. He's. He's charging me an extra X dollar per hour so he can pay Uncle Sam.

[Luke Burbank]

It would be funny if we put that on the donation page.

[Becca]

No take backs. I think we said no take backs when I was a kid.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. What were you guys to say, sir?

[Becca]

Oh, no, just that I don't know what's sad or that you maybe, I don't know if you forgot, but that like that you brought up this Robert Redford is, you know, they're trying to pass him off as young and sneakers thing. And again, I don't know if you forgot bringing it up on the show previously or not, but that I forgot that that was a thing. I was truly, I was truly delighted by that information today. Even though you've delighted me with that information. We know a minimum of one other time.

[Luke Burbank]

You know what I'm going to do for the show pick today? I'm going to take a screen cap of the TBTL page from May of 2023 and our show is going to.

[Becca]

Be can you hold up two mirrors? Try to get an infinity mirror going.

[Luke Burbank]

With the show Incept. Our own show here.

[Becca]

I just want to say quickly, before we are kind of scooting on today, that the shanty tavern is going to be shutting down there on Lake City. And as an adult, I went to the shanty a handful of times, but really as a kid, it was a big thing in my life because we used to drive Lake City way between where we lived at Green Lake and where we went to church at gospel outreach Christian Fellowship up there in Briar. And I remember as a kid that sign, I mean the shanty taverns sign is just absolutely iconic. And it was the first place that I remember as a kid having a sense that it was somewhere where people went to drink alcohol. And it probably had to do with like the font even. It's real little Abner. You're not from the Seattle area and you don't know the shanty. It was just like it has this sign that says The Shanty Tavern that it looks like it's right out of the pages of Little Abner. And I just remember being a kid and passing that on my way to church and just thinking like, wow, that's where grownups go to be drunk and to sin. And like, it was. I mean, every Sunday and many other days during the week of my life for many, many, many, many years, I went by the Shanty Tavern. And it actually has such a great kind of wholesome, cool story. I was finding out from it was a vanishing Seattle Post. I didn't know any of this part that it was. It was owned by this guy who had owned it for. Since the 1960s. He was 90, I think he's 94 years old. His name is John Speckaratelli. He's retiring at 94 years old. And just the history of the place, it was. It was built in 1932. It sort of moved around a bunch. But then John, this guy ended up buying the Tavern. Did you read any of the details of this guy John Speccatorlli's life?

[Luke Burbank]

No. When the news broke or when I saw it in the Seattle Times, I should say I scanned it really, really quickly and I saw that there was some backstory there. Can I just mention though, that one thing from going back to your childhood experience of passing this place, because I've passed it a million times too, and I've always been very curious about it. I've never darkened the. But at least in this day and age or in the 10 years or so that I've been driving past it a lot, I think it also not only is the. And actually I'll probably use the picture of this sign as maybe the show pick today because it is so iconic and it's better and less confusing. But it is cute in a certain way. But it also really does give the impression of. You mentioned being a kid and being like, that's where adults go to sin. It's also near like old school adult bookstores or at least one old school adult bookstore.

[Becca]

Well, it was around the corner from something called Golden West Entertainment, which was. If I remember right, it was the mafia controlled ownership of multiple strip clubs in Seattle. It was in a real kind of like, it was in the Vice district.

[Luke Burbank]

It really was. And I swear there's like. Because I remember, it's just. It's like, how do those places stay in business? You would have the Shanty and then you would have this place that just was like XXX adult books only. I don't think it was Xxx but it was. But in other words, even me driving by, I'm like, oh, this is the kind of sketchy. This is the sketchy stretch here. So, I mean, and it sounds like that's maybe a bad refle of a bar that doesn't really fit. That is what maybe it sounds like. You're saying you said the story is a bit more wholesome.

[Becca]

Well, yeah. So it was built in the 1930s. It was owned by a couple of families. And then eventually this guy, John Spaccartelli, he buys it in the 1960s. He is a Korean War vet. This is the description from a vanishing Seattle who loves people and music. He serves up drinks and tirelessly works the room. And if he's really feeling the music, he'll come out from behind the bar and sing with him the band or hit the dance floor with a customer. This person who's writing it says John was the first person who told me about Garlic Gulch. He grew up there, the son of Italian immigrants. I've always been really fascinated with Garlic Gulch. That's like that stretch of Rainier Avenue where they're like the. Oh boy, Oberto used to be. And I 90 pushed through there and they used eminent domain to just like take a bunch of people's homes and stuff. But that area was where a lot of like Italian Americans lived, lived and. And ran businesses and stuff. This guy John grew up there, the son of Italian immigrants. He also loves to play the piano and is the oldest player in the Puget Sound Senior Softball Association. A prized pitcher for the Seattle Sloops. In total, he's played in the league for over 50 years. The Shanty has also sponsored countless women's and men's sports teams over the decades, et cetera. So just this guy John, there's a picture, picture of him. He's wearing a Huskies sweatshirt and just seems like a absolute classic. Classic Seattle dude. Growing up in Garlic Gulch and owning the Shanty tavern for whatever, 50, 60 years. So that's. I guess tonight's going to be. Or this weekend's going to be the final night of the Shanty. Also, as we've already alluded to the announcement that wild waves down there in Federal Way. I think the. Well, you read the press release. I guess I didn't. Andrew, are they're going to do one more summer?

[Luke Burbank]

Like I think they're doing one more summer.

[Becca]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Through 2026. And so, you know, this is probably not relevant to most people in our audience, but I remember they were very specific to Say if you have any events planned or you bought tickets for anything during the 2026 season, which I guess runs from May through what, probably September or something like that? Yeah, probably. And you know, they will be going strong for that. But I'm also assuming that. I assume that they will have a real booming year. Right. Like, with the idea of this going away, I'm assuming that a lot of people will show up for at least one. One last. One last slip down the slide.

[Becca]

Yeah. I mean, this thing was. If you grew up in Seattle in the 80s, as I did, Wild Waves was like. It was this mythical, magical land of fun that you didn't get to go to very much. Cause it's kind of far away. But like, you know, our class, you'd get to go there sometimes. Like, you know, with your class. You know, I'm sure they gave discounts to school schools and stuff. But I just remember like in. I want to say like, like so almost before you would like, you know, be June or something. So right towards the end of the school year in, I think I want to say 8th grade and 9th grade, we got to go down to Wild Waves. And it was just like it was heaven on earth. It was like the cool. It was the coolest place that I could possibly imagine. And I guess I'm just kind of reading this little article now from king5 that's saying that, you know, they built it in 1977. It's been run by a company called Premiere Parks. They. They announced the closure citing rising costs of operations since reopening after the COVID 19 pandemic. And I wonder what that would be like. There aren't Covid post Covid rules about social distancing or. I don't. I don't understand what the rising. This actually seems like it would be like it. What tariffs on. On. On water slide parts. Like, I'm trying to figure out what the rising cost costs would be. And I don't want to look. No good comes from this. But I was talking about this with my dad today about like Wild Waves closing. And I was like, I wonder if there's a change in like basically kind of what kids want to do for fun. And I don't want to just like. I don't want to be like an old person just blaming it on. Blaming it on video games or the phones. But like, do you think is there a chance that it's just not as popular anymore with the youth of the Northwest for some reason? Because I don't understand how this thing existed for all these years. And then suddenly it's like we. It's not profitable anymore.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, yeah, I don't know about the rising costs. That makes me wonder as well. But I could see less demand. And let me put it this way. I mentioned to you on the day on Thanksgiving, we joined our friends for a meal at a Brazilian steakhouse. And part of that experience is going up to a buffet to get like, salad and whatever. And Genevieve and I, after we went up to the salad bar and sat back down, one of us turned to the other, I don't recall who we can. She and I can fight about that later, and said, that is the first time I've been to like a salad bar or buffet since the pandemic. Like, it just changed behavior. And I do wonder if maybe it's technology, like maybe it's a lot of different factors, but I could see just people getting out of that, you know, families that were maybe more in that habit just without even kind of realizing it. Just being like that experience isn't what hits these days, you know, without. Without necessarily consciously link. Linking it back to that.

[Becca]

Right. If we're all just kind of changing our kind of patterns and our roots and our things that we do, it did. And I mean, I'm not happy that Wild Waves is closing. In fact, I'm very sad about it, to be honest with you. But I guess I do appreciate that it means that the statute of limitations will have expired on this story, which was. Well, all the Hawk squad wanted to talk about today was the time, I would say 10 to 15 of us snuck into wild waves. I don't know, 15 years ago we went. There was some Wild Waves promotion. This is when all the, when I say the kids, I mean like Addie and Sam and Dave were like, they probably maybe 15 or something, teens. And it was like $10 day at Wild Waves or something. And we went down there and because it was $10 day, the line was like around the parking lot, like a ridiculous, insane line to get in. And we're in the line, we're waiting, and there was this break in the fence, you know, in the security perimeter where there was someone that was guarding it. And then that, like out of a movie, like out of the movie Sneakers, the guard like leaves their post, I don't know, to go use the bathroom or something. And Addie is just so eagle eyed on this stuff. She's just like, the guard just left their post. And we're like, yeah, I don't know. She goes, I'm going to. I'm going to investigate. And then she just like walks off. And then the next thing you know, she's coming back to. Now the guard is back and she's coming back to the guard. Or maybe how it went down was another. Somebody else went with her. Maybe David went with her. There was like a breakoff team that went through, went inside and then when the guard came back, they came to the guard and said, can we get a hand stamp for leave so we can leave the park? And the guard said, sure, hand stamped him. They came over to us, us, gave us the hand stamp. Then we who now had been hand stamped was like gremlins. We were multiplying. Then we went in as a group of like six and then all those people then got rehand stamped or something and then came back out. And then eventually we got like 10 people snuck into wild waves and did not have to wait in that line. And that is if we had a family crest, it would be us sneaking into wild waves as a family.

[Luke Burbank]

I did not realize that there were so many non water related.

[Becca]

Oh dude.

[Luke Burbank]

Enchanted Village and roller coasters and stuff. And I'm gonna say something here and I don't, this is the wrong thing to raise up on this of all days. But I will say this. I sent you that press release and I think I said like, I don't remember how big of a deal this was in your youth. And so it sounds like it was a big deal. In fact, didn't you have some sort of sexual awakening or something at Wild Waves? Am I putting too much?

[Becca]

No, I did win a Spuds Mackenzie dog.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I didn't.

[Becca]

You could call that a sexual awakening.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly what I was talking about.

[Becca]

Well, no, you know, I thought you.

[Luke Burbank]

Had a crush on somebody that you saw. Good memory.

[Becca]

Good memory. That is true. I wouldn't call it an awakening. I was wide awake long before this, my friend.

[Luke Burbank]

Is that what woke means?

[Becca]

No, I. Yeah. No, Andrew, you're not wrong. I want to. I want to. I want to be clear. I remember being in the wave pool and you know, it was a chance. I was. This definitely would have been eighth grade. It was a chance to be in the wave pool with, you know, fellow classmates, but particularly girl classmates. And they would be in bathing suits and it was all. Nothing happened. That's why I initially said, like, I was confused. I didn't like make out with someone or ever make physical contact in any way with anybody. It was like a big deal. I'm crushing and I'm Getting to see multiple people I have crushes on in two piece bikinis in the wave pool, which was a big deal in my mind.

[Luke Burbank]

Right, right. Well, all I was going to say though, and again and sorry if I took that to creepy town, but it's where I live. I my only exposure at all to Wild Waves. Wrong word coming out of that conversation is seeing it from the highway driving south, you know, and it never looked appealing to me. Now I've only seen it as an adult, but.

[Becca]

And listen, you're just in a hurry to get to Fife.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm just gateway to 5i. And I am just. I'm trying to get to the, to the Seahawks training facility somewhere. Yeah, no, but I just, it always looked kind of. And this is a wrong thing to say. And again, I'm not trying to, I don't know, sully your childhood memories. And it sounds like they're good. I'm glad they're. They're unassailable. But it just always looks sad to me from the highway and that's why I wasn't really sure. And unfortunately I see that somebody, that somebody on YouTube. I was just looking at pictures. I'm like, well, maybe it's because I've only seen this unfortunate view of it. And one of the things I see is Coaster Studios. These people who go around and rate parks have some unfortunately sad titles for their experience at Wild Waves. It does not sound like maybe compared to other parks around the country, this one is not held in high esteem.

[Becca]

Well, let me stand up for Enchanted Village a little bit, which is the rides portion of Wild Waves. It was never pitched as at least in our understanding. It was not even, wasn't even supposed to be competing with like Fun Forest, which was at the Seattle center, which had some slightly bigger roller coasters. It was like it was real kiddie rides, you know. So like we wouldn't even go over to Enchanted Village when we were there. We wouldn't go over to the ride section because it was mostly just like kind of. Yeah. Rides for little kids. So. So I'm not surprised that people that are like really into roller coasters and rides, if they went there, I think they would have been sorely disappointed. But I'm totally with you. By the way, the. I think a couple of things. One, you have to be an eighth grader who's literally living for the chance to see Tiffany McMackin in a two piece bikini or a littler kid than that. And you have to be in Wild Waves to truly understand how exciting it was seeing the sign from i5 as you're. Again, as the traffic is beginning to build in the fife curves is just like. There's just nothing at all. And by the way, you see, like.

[Luke Burbank]

The backside of the tubes. You're seeing the angle.

[Becca]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

That you're not supposed to see when you're in the park. I'm sure that everything. It's like me when I look in the mirror and I don't realize how bald I am. Because I'm only looking at myself the same way every day. Right. And then when the barber holds the mirror to the back of my head and he says, is this okay? And I just cry. No, but it's like you're like, oh, shoot. Yeah, that's what I look like. People are seeing me from all different angles. And I sort of feel like it's probably much nicer when you're inside because everybody. Everything is cleaned and presented for the people inside, not for the people who are in traffic on the highway. So you're just seeing the backside of these colorful tubes that have probably just like, are. And you're also just thinking about highway traffic and exhaust and everything. It doesn't seem. And you're not a kid, and you're not a child. Exactly.

[Becca]

Because as a kid, when you're in there, by the way, I don't even think the inside of that place is probably that great. But as a kid, that smell of chlorine. Like, you get in there and you'd be like. You'd be trying to figure out, like, you'd have to get a locker to put your stuff in or whatever, but just like, it just smelled of chlorine. Every. Which I've learned now is. Usually tells you that the chlorine is interacting with urine. Like, when you. When you smell chlorine at a pool. This is what I've heard. Now, it's not the greatest sign. I mean, you know, you're not unsafe or anything. But it's like, ideally you would smell no chlorine, and that would be mean. No one's been urinating in the pool. When you smell the chlorine, it's the result of the chlorine doing what it's supposed to do when it encounters, like, a foreign substance.

[Luke Burbank]

Is that fact checked, or is that something that you've heard.

[Becca]

Heard. I've heard about enough about chlorine.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm just sort of curious because, I mean, we kept, you know, we would chlorinate our pool and stuff at home. And I sort of feel like, well, Chlorine always smells like chlorine, but maybe when it's activated, it smells stronger. I'm not saying that you're wrong. I would just want to fact check that before passing it along.

[Becca]

So here's what AI says. I don't know if we trust it or not. I the, the search terms was what does the smell of chlorine indicate? And it says, a chlorine smell indicates disinfection is happening in tap water. It means chlorine is killing germs for safety. But a strong pool smell, often singles, often signals chloramine's a reaction between chlorine and organic matter like sweat, urine and dirt, meaning the pool needs better cleaning and ventilation. While in very rare cases strong ozone chlorine scent could be a dangerous sign of electrical arcing. But who knows?

[Luke Burbank]

Can I actually I tell you who, I, I tell you who, who knows our friends at npr, because I started typing in does chlorine smell? And then it auto completed to stronger with urine question mark. So I'm like, okay, other people have looked this up and then you do have the AI overview. But I wanted to go a little bit deeper. So the first result though is literally an NPR article from 2017. And the headline, I like the directness of this, just how much pee is in that pool. And then it says, you know the, that sharp odor of chlorine from the swimming pool you can recall from earliest childhood. It turns out it's not just chlorine, but a potent brew of chemicals that form when chlorine meets sweat, body oils and urine. So you're absolutely right.

[Becca]

We checked it. A lot of people were sweating in that wave pool at Wildlife.

[Luke Burbank]

No, you're absolutely right. I just wanted to make sure because it's just you would hear all these rumors as kids, oh, don't pee in that pool. They have this special chemical that turns purple around you. And I was like, I've never seen that. I've. Again, I don't spend a lot of time around pools, but I've always heard of that, but I've never seen it. So I just wanted to make sure.

[Becca]

Right, that's like one of those apocryphal things that like, dads. Yes. Tell the kids that are coming over, the visiting kids, so that, you know, it's just supposed to hold. I think there's a seed in one of the grownups movies, one of the, I would call the Lesser Sandler, not the Prestige Sandler, where I think that the joke is this is a show where I give my Best guess at what happens in the movie Sneakers. And now my best guess at what happens in one of the Grown Ups movies. I think it's like the joke is that they're told that the pool has some kind of. And these are adults. This is like Adam Sandler and like David Spade and whomever else. Maybe Kevin James is in there. I'll take a Kevin James. They're in the pool and they're being told that it has the kind of special chemical that if you pee it will show. And then they're all saying that's not a real thing. So they're all peeing and it turns out it is a real thing.

[Luke Burbank]

Huh.

[Becca]

That's how the comedy works.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, yeah. I. The only part of those movies I've ever seen is they're standing on a. They're standing on a bluff like in a quarry or something, and they got a jump. They. They also, I believe are impressed with people in two piece bathing suits or something in order to, I guess impress them. You've never seen these movies, right? I've never seen these movies.

[Becca]

I haven't. I've seen this clip. Oh, I think Chris Rock is in it too, actually.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that rings a bell. I think he's on the top of the cliff as well. That I'm picturing. They have to jump into this quarry or something along those lines.

[Becca]

Anyway, rip wild waves. And I'll tell you if, you know, if Adelaide gets a wild hair this summer and wants to, wants to hit wild waves, like we meet up or you know, and head down there. I would actually. Totally. I would be down for that. Just, just for, just for the nostalgia. I don't even know if I'd go in the water.

[Luke Burbank]

I know you would and you told me a long time ago because I think about this. I remember you said on the show a long time ago that like, you don't think you're ever going in any kind of a public pool again. Unless it's like maybe I would go in a hotel.

[Becca]

At a hotel in Palm Springs, like a fancy.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, with a nice trust.

[Becca]

Yeah, yeah, like a nice, like a nice mostly grown ups. Although listen, I don't trust the grown ups to not pee in the pool either. But like a, a mostly grown up kind of a thing I would, I would do. But, but like, yeah, probably. Like, I don't, I don't think I'd want to go chill in the wave pool at Wildways, but I do kind of weirdly feel like I would just like to. I don't Know, eat some, you know, eat some chicken strips and some. And some fries and smell the chlorine, which now we know is sinister, and just kind of experience it because it really was. And it wasn't even that I went to Wild Waves. I probably went there five times, but it was such. It just represented something in my mind of just the ultimate cool, fun thing.

[Luke Burbank]

So it'll seem small to you if you do that, I think.

[Becca]

I bet. Oh, I'm. And crummy. You know what I mean? Like, I, like, I'm sure it will just be like, oh, wow, this is what it was all about. Maybe I shouldn't go. Maybe I should let it.

[Luke Burbank]

Honestly, like, I don't want to tell you what to do, but I do think, especially for the final, I'm sure that they'll try to, you know, make everybody happy for the final year, but you know that they haven't been making a lot of like, improvements leading up to this year when they're finally folding. You know what I mean?

[Becca]

It's probably finally.

[Luke Burbank]

You might want to keep those memories as, as they are in your head.

[Becca]

You know, should we wrap things up today the way we usually like to, which is playing a clip from the movie Grown Ups peeing in the pool 2010. Let's just hear how this scene plays out. Okay, dad, come on, hurry up. I want to go to Pirates plunge. One second, sweetie. Oh, they're literally at a water park. So this is relevant. It's Kevin James. He's in the pool, but he's like in the kiddie pool, so it's like very shallow. He's got a swim cap on and he's got like a kind of a wetsuit on too. He's wearing more gear, Andrew, than you would typically see in adult. Adult wearing in the kiddie pool at a wave.

[Luke Burbank]

That's pretty funny.

[Becca]

Yeah, right. All the rights day.

[Luke Burbank]

We're doing them all.

[Becca]

Are you making a.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I'm not. You know they put a chemical in the pool that turns urine blue. No, no, no.

[Becca]

It's an old.

[Luke Burbank]

It's an old wives tale, sweetie.

[Becca]

It's an old wives tale.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my God, you're humiliating me.

[Becca]

It turns out it's not a wives tale, Andrew. And Kevin James is absolutely surrounded by.

[Luke Burbank]

Blue dye as he is embarrassing. The reason I don't believe in that at a water park is because that creates so much more issues for the water.

[Becca]

Oh, yeah, no, that's like a hotel that gives you. It's like a hotel that gives you a black light as you're checking into your room.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly.

[Becca]

We need those sleeping dogs nobody wants.

[Luke Burbank]

What did she say? Are you taking a.

[Becca]

What a. That's what I thought.

[Luke Burbank]

I've never heard.

[Becca]

I'm guessing that that's in, you know, in the movie. That's what they call going in Kevin James's family. Maybe that's what they call it.

[Luke Burbank]

Interesting. Well, I know we don't have time today, but I want to put this out in the universe. We have a wonderful email that tells a absolutely gripping story. I'm sorry, not email, but a voicemail. Luke. It's like an email, but it's like. You talk, it's hard to explain.

[Becca]

Spoken word.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like a spoken word email. Basically. It's like a narrated email anyway from somebody who sent it in earlier this week and it took me a long time to finally kind of take a listen to it yester. And Luke, I know I said this earlier in the show. I was on the edge of my seat as I listened to this story. So let's try to remember that for Monday.

[Becca]

Yeah, big Monday show coming at you.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly.

[Becca]

That's right. You're gonna have some stories post family hang. We'll know. Bye. Boy, I almost sent you guys this headline today from the Seattle Times. Cold take Calkins was really on one today. I believe the headline in the sports section. Can I find it here? Colts 44 year old QB may be another gift for the Seahawks defense.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, wow. How'd you come up with that one?

[Becca]

Do you think? Do you think so, Matt? Do you think a person who's probably. It shouldn't be legal for them to try to play tackle football. You think that might be a gift to the Seattle defense?

[Luke Burbank]

Can I. I need to tell you something here, but the music's playing so I got to keep it short. So I know nobody cares about other people's fantasy football teams, but if you'll recall, and I don't know why you would, but when I drafted my football team earlier this year, lad McConkey. McConkey Business is the name of my team. I did not realize until literally two minutes maybe before the draft that I was the first overall pick, which is something that I should have done more research on and really dialed in my team. But I went after the draft, the AI robot thing told, basically made fun of me for how bad I drafted. And I was like, we'll see. I usually do pretty damn well in this league, actually. And immediately in week one, my QB got injured and I have been bitten. Luke, with the worst Luck. I mean, I swear, I mean, every bad break you could imagine, I am now. Last week I was second to last, and I was playing the person in last place. And I went into Monday night football, football. 75 chance of winning because I was already in the lead and I had lad McConkey playing. All they had was a kicker. Lad McConkey got two points. Their kicker got 18. A kicker getting 18 points is ludicrous.

[Becca]

Insane.

[Luke Burbank]

My point of all of this is so I end up losing that game.

[Becca]

And it's been thought of you on that game because I remember seeing. I was muted, but I saw them showing lad McConkey and they were showing him to point out how he was doing nothing.

[Luke Burbank]

He was doing nothing. And so I turned off the game. At a certain point I was like, wow, this is bananas. But the whole season has been like that. Like I'm slated to win, but then something bananas happens and that just every, every, every bad beat I could get, I've gotten. Listen, it's fine. I've won this league almost every other year in some capacity. It's just weird. But then last night I'm like, you know what? This might be a. My last week of playing fantasy football before they get into the playoffs, which I'll have no part in, obviously in last place. So you know what I did last night, Luke, Thinking of you. Yeah. I pulled Philip Rivers off the wire. I might start that guy. I might bench my Joe Burrow, who's scheduled to get 22 points and just play Philip Rivers, who is estimated to get four points. A quarterback being estimated to get four points is ridiculously low. But I'm not playing for anything. As soon as the little red check mark goes away and they confirm that he's playing, I might just play Philip Rivers just so that I can have a laugh at the end of this.

[Becca]

That's a really good idea. I might try to get on like one of those, like.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah. Daily sports.

[Becca]

Well, you know, I can't sports bet from here in Washington, but I can get on those futures markets probably, you know, that poly math and stuff or the daily fantasy.

[Luke Burbank]

I think you can maybe do or something like that.

[Becca]

Do something where it's like a workaround. I would love. I would love to lay 20 bucks on Philip Rivers over performing whatever the expectations are. Again, I am great with Philip Rivers having the game of his life. As long as the Seahawks still win, that to me would be a great outcome.

[Luke Burbank]

Where is the line on how many arms he will have as the end of the game? How many arms he'll have left the line.

[Becca]

I'm more worried about how many legs he'll. As you said yesterday. Yeah, that's. That's. To me. That's what I'm. Anyway, we shall see. Anyway, lot to talk about on Monday. Plus we'll have that voicemail, so please do join us for that. In the meantime, have a great weekend, everybody. Take care of yourselves. Stay safe. Go, Seahawks. And please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Luke Burbank]

And good luck to all. Power out.