#4621 My Own Personal L

Summary

TBTL #4621: "My Own Personal L"

Airdate: December 17, 2025
Hosts: Luke Burbank & Andrew Walsh

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Episode Overview

In this lively, meandering episode, Luke and Andrew serve up their signature blend of personal storytelling, banter, and pop culture nostalgia. The episode’s main throughline is Luke’s recent streak of being comically wrong (“taking Ls”) about trivial family memories, but the conversation careens through topics ranging from epic Pacific Northwest windstorms, Stand By Me and Rob Reiner retrospectives, soup recipes, the reliability of memory, to Dungeons & Dragons dice holders. True to TBTL form, the hosts riff about the mundane and the bizarre with self-aware humor and warmth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Luke’s “Week of Ls”: Embracing Being Wrong

• Family Memory Snafus: Luke recounts confidently correcting his mother on which song his sister and her husband performed at their wedding—only to discover, to his horror and chagrin, that he was completely wrong (24:04). This humbling moment leads to broader reflections on the unreliability of memory.
  • Quote:

    “If you would have said, ‘Luke, bet your entire 401k and home, all of your worldly possessions, right now, on the fact that you’re right,’ I would have said, ‘Easy money.’ That’s free money right now.” (25:49—Luke)

• The Perils of Overconfidence: The personal theme of stacking up small losses (“Ls”) resonates throughout the episode, with both Andrew and Luke swapping stories of mistaken certainty—sometimes with comedic results.

2. Windstorms and Rural Living Anxieties

• Power Outage Adventure: Luke details a harrowing night: a severe windstorm knocks out power and nearly sweeps his hot tub cover into the Columbia River, forcing a pajama-clad rescue mission.
  • Quote:

    “I just see a purple explosion, like a transformer going up... areas of houses just go dark.” (06:53—Luke)

• Tensions Between Esthetics and Pragmatism: Luke laments having to secure the cover with a cinder block and plywood—his inner decorator at war with reality.
  • Quote:

    “Do you think old Lukey B. likes looking at a cinder block and a piece of plywood on top of his hot tub?” (08:07—Luke)

3. Rob Reiner, Stand By Me, and Kids as Actors

• Rob Reiner Retrospective: Tributes following Reiner’s passing have prompted Luke’s deep dive into the director’s filmography, especially Stand By Me.
  • Quote:

    “He just seems like a guy who was moving through the world, improving every single situation he was involved in, which is just incredible.” (50:02—Luke)

• Stand By Me Reflection: Andrew and Luke discuss how the film, set in fictional Castle Rock, Oregon (originally Maine, per Stephen King), showcases a cast of then-unknown young actors. They comment on changing standards for child performances.
  • Quote:

    “Movies where you have a cast of very young actors doing a lot of the lifting are tough for me. I think kid actors have gotten better.” (54:39—Luke)

4. Nerd Out Corner: Bob Dylan, Impressions & D&D Dice

• Krause/Kraus Pronunciation Rabbit Hole: Via an NPR clip, Andrew and Luke settle an ongoing debate about pronouncing actor Peter Krause’s name (“Kraus”).
  • Quote:

    “I have just been taking so many Ls lately on stuff that I’ve been so convinced of my rightness. I just got absolutely owned on Sunday.” (19:05—Luke)

• Bob Dylan Impressions & Humor: They enjoy James Austin Johnson’s uncanny Bob Dylan impressions and riff about Dylan’s “crooner era,” lightly mock Morning Edition host patter, and joke about the absurd malleability of Dylan’s voice (38:21).
• Listener Gifts & D&D: Andrew opens mail from listeners, including a 3D-printed, custom D&D dice holder—“You could keep your weed in there” (78:07—Luke)—and ornaments referencing I Think You Should Leave.

5. Soup, Cooking, and Comforts

• Home Cooking Wins: Luke celebrates the joy of making simple veggie rice soup with what’s already in the fridge—a little win in a week of “Ls.”
  • Quote:

    “Those are little moments of triumph for me when I’m able to cook food from things I already have inside my house.” (69:42—Luke)

• Grocery Store Privilege: Andrew marvels at the joys of living near a massive international grocery store—making spontaneous, ambitious meals possible.

6. Mail, Neighbors, and Collection Agencies

• Mail Adventures: Both hosts share stories of misdirected mail and the complications of old tenants’ debts leading to collection agents actually showing up at Andrew’s door.
  • Quote:

    “Genevieve says that a creditor came to the door and gave her kind of a hard time. ... I’ve never heard of a collection agency coming to your house, but I would be—I would. Said it was like a collection agency.” (86:28 & 86:50—Andrew)

7. Seattle Weather, Audience Support, and Donor Thanks

• Storm Recap: The regional weather continues to be apocalyptic, prompting a round of donor thank-yous and well wishes to listeners in the storm zone.
  • Quote:

    “Hope you’re doing okay, weather-wise, wherever you are, and that you haven’t forgotten: no mountain too tall...” (92:26—Luke)

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

| Time | Speaker | Quote/Description | |-------|--------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 06:53 | Luke | “I just see a purple explosion, like a transformer going up.” | | 08:07 | Luke | “Do you think old Lukey B. likes looking at a cinder block and a piece of plywood on top of his hot tub?” | | 19:05 | Luke | “I have just been taking so many Ls lately on stuff that I’ve been so convinced of my rightness.” | | 25:49 | Luke | “If you would have said, ‘Luke, bet your entire 401k...’ I would’ve said, ‘Easy money.’” | | 38:21 | Andrew/Luke | James Austin Johnson’s Bob Dylan impression; riffing on Dylan's voice. | | 50:02 | Luke | “He just seems like a guy who was moving through the world, improving every single situation...” (Rob Reiner tribute)| | 54:39 | Luke | “Movies where you have a cast of very young actors doing a lot of the lifting are tough for me.”| | 65:56 | Luke | “I made the easiest thing last night that I was so weirdly proud of…” (soup story) | | 78:07 | Luke | “Dude, you could keep your weed in there.” (re: the D&D dice box gift from a listener) | | 86:50 | Andrew/Luke | Story about a collection agent coming to Andrew’s door, rare even for hosts with collection agency experience. | | 92:26 | Luke | “Hope you’re doing okay, weather wise, wherever you are, and that you haven’t forgotten. No mountain too tall…” |

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:45–10:30: Luke’s power outage odyssey, the hot tub cover rescue, and rural life weirdness.
• 12:20–18:00: Rob Reiner and Stand By Me memories. The start of Luke’s “week of Ls."
• 23:15–27:26: Luke’s wedding song mix-up; broader reflection on unreliable memories.
• 38:21–40:22: Bob Dylan impressions, discussing the chameleon voice and James Austin Johnson’s SNL bit.
• 50:02–54:39: Rob Reiner appreciation; Stand By Me deep dive; kid actors past vs. present.
• 65:56–69:49: Soup and cooking talk; making the most of home supplies.
• 76:42–80:11: Listener mail; D&D dice box discussion.
• 83:00–88:18: Old tenants, mail nightmares, and the saga of collection agents ringing the doorbell.
• 90:00–end: Football game anticipation; Thursday Night Football superstitions.

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Tone & Style

TBTL’s conversational style is equal parts self-deprecating, warmly neurotic, and playful. Luke alternates between amped-up storytelling and “agonizing over aesthetics”; Andrew plays the straight man and the curious neighbor, but gleefully joins in on the bits, especially when it veers toward Bob Dylan/Muppet territory. Both are comfortable going on tangents, looping back wryly to earlier points, and puncturing their own opinions with humor.

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Takeaways for Non-Listeners

• You don’t have to be up-to-date on the hosts’ lives or inside jokes to appreciate the friendly confessional vibe and wit: The episode’s best moments—the “power outage hero saga,” the “family memory own-goal,” and “Bob Dylan as a Muppet”—are as much about emotional honesty as about punchlines.
• The hosts model humility and humor in the face of small, relatable defeats. The titular “My Own Personal L” is not failure, but the joy of realizing how little, in the end, any of us know for sure.

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No mountain too tall, and good luck to all!

Transcript

[Andrew Walsh]

I came this close.

[Luke Burbank]

I was the GOP golden boy, the great hope. I've got connections and ins and outs. I was on the cusp, but I just couldn't engage voters. I didn't have that cult of personality thing. I guess it's hard connecting with people.

[Andrew Walsh]

In a genuine way.

[Luke Burbank]

I know. Mm. And I tried everything, believe me. I hammered the race thing. I hammered the gender thing, the trans thing, the border thing, the homeless thing, the war thing, the election thing, the abortion thing, the climate thing. Thing about induction, stoves, Israel, library, books, vaccines, pronouns, socialism, BLM, CRT, the CDC, DEI 5G. Everything. All of it. I did. Nobody. Just nothing.

[Andrew Walsh]

People are just numb these days. I don't know why. Tbtl.

[Luke Burbank]

First of all, I'd like to see the chef face to face. These are the best Cajun chicken niblets I've ever had.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, this is Sergeant Morgan down at the precinct. We got a report that a guy in a hot dog suit was running a moke south of Cheese and heard.

[Luke Burbank]

You guys might know something about that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Give us a call back.

[Luke Burbank]

You don't have to make rude noises.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's all right. I don't mind. I like not having fun. I like your idea of fun. I mean, our idea of fun. I like not having that.

[Luke Burbank]

Are you even listening to our story? Yes. Well, listen to this. We have a story to tell, so listen. Okay? And write it down. All right. Hello, good morning and welcome, everyone, to a Wednesday edition of TBT all, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is a disaster. I mean, this is something that should not happen.

[Luke Burbank]

My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host. You're still doing a podcast coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio, perched high above the mighty Columbia, where, boy, we went through it here last night. Tell you what. Power went out, wind was whipping. I was out fighting the elements in the middle of the night in the dark with a flashlight. It's crazy. And now, as I'm talking to all of you, it's absolutely gorgeous. It's blue sky. It's. Well, it's.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, Ma.

[Luke Burbank]

Beautiful. It's just beautiful. Putting me in an excellent mood to bring you episode 4621 in a collector series, Let the fun begin. I watched Stand By Me last night, so who needs a movie? I've been on a real Rob Reiner kick if you can't tell. And we will get into that a little bit. Also, we're going to talk to this guy. He's the longest running cobra of the show maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. We don't. We don't try to sort of, I don't know, overestimate our abilities on this show or, you know, shoot for the moon. But he does want to answer the essential question of our age here on this Wednesday edition. When was the last time you. Your pants. Been a while. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning, Luke. How bad was your power outage?

[Luke Burbank]

Uh, real bad, in fact, considering I kind of live in exurban America. I'm in the county, by the way, which I never expected. Like, one time, my name. My neighbor was just shooting a gun off of his porch, and I was like, is that legal? Is it legal to be that insane? And I called the non emergency number and they looked at my address. They said, well, you're in the county, and yes, that's legal.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I see. You're. You're not unincorporated. Is that what you mean? In the county?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think I've ever known what unincorporated means. It just means that I'm not actually in a city. Now, my address.

[Andrew Walsh]

Your address is the.

[Luke Burbank]

I know, but in fact, I have.

[Andrew Walsh]

It written down right here. Do you want me to say it on the air?

[Luke Burbank]

Sure, why not? But that's. So, yes, my address lists a city, but when you call the non emergency police line to ask if it's strictly legal for your neighbor to fire off their weapons, they say, you're not in the city, you're in the county. It has different rules.

[Andrew Walsh]

That is true, of course, because sometimes when we're thanking donors, we'll say, hey, where is this community? Or whatever. We'll look it up and it'll say, this city, or whatever the name of this area is, is an unincorporated, whatever county somewhere in, you know, somewhere in the country. So that's interesting. So you're unincorporated, so you can do anything. Like, literally, like you're on the high seas, you can do anything.

[Luke Burbank]

Anything. So, but. But the thing that's been, I guess, a pleasant surprise about being all the way out here in this unincorporated area is that my power has never gone out once since I've lived here. And usually it seems like when you're out in kind of the rural areas, that can be a little more.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, a little more prone to that kind of stuff. It's never happened to me before. Well, that's not true. Maybe the quickest of blips, but it's never been like, what happened Last night, which was nuts. I'm fast asleep. It's like one in the morning. All of a sudden I just start hearing the wind is just howling, just whipping. And I kind of sit up. I'm like, oh, I should turn on the light and see what's going on. I go to turn on the light, no light. And then I look through the darkness out of. Onto the deck. Because my number one concern in life is the hot tub cover. And sure enough, it's missing. I'm like, oh, man. Because the last time it went blowing off, I watched it happen so I could go retrieve it. I had no idea how long it had been gone. Luckily it had gotten hung up on the picnic table that's on the deck. So it hadn't gone far. Had it gotten past that picnic table, it would be in the Columbia river.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like without a doubt, some wizard of Oz shit.

[Luke Burbank]

Serious wizard of Oz kind of implications. So now it's just like, I'm like this, okay, the power's out. This is the last thing I want to be dealing with right now. I'm in like shorts and a T shirt. I go to sleep in my exercise gear so that when I wake up, I don't have that as an excuse. Like, I'm already in my shorts and my T shirt. So it's like, okay, I'll just go do the treadmill. But anyway, I'm not dressed for going outside in howling wind and sideways rain. So I, I like throw on some shoes, grab like some sort of a jackety thing with a hood, pull it up and just run out there. And it's like, it's like one of those movies. It's, it's like something from like, you know, one of the Horatio Hornblower or like, it's something from Moby Dick. Let me pick a better, more well known nautical type of book where it's just, you know, I don't know if it was actually lightning, but it felt like it was like. And it's like the wind is just blowing so crazy and the rain is just pelting. And I go out, I'm standing on the deck and I just look over and I can't tell. It's just maybe down a couple houses for me. I just see a purple explosion, like a transformer going up. And then I look across the Columbia river over towards the town of Rainier, Oregon, and I just see purple explosions.

[Andrew Walsh]

I see, oh, damn.

[Luke Burbank]

Purple explosions across the river. And then areas of houses just go dark.

[Andrew Walsh]

Don't, don't like, like pluribus Totally.

[Luke Burbank]

It was, like, very cinematic. It's like, oh, man. So again, I got lucky with the. This also explains to you, Andrew, why I always prioritize the wrong sort of stuff, like why the esthetics of things are far too important for me. So remember, I've already talked about it. The other day, this cover for the hot tub went flying because I don't have it properly attached down for reasons that are boring and have to do with how the hot tub is seated in the deck. Because it's flush with the deck, I cannot clip the hot tub cover into the clips on the physical body of the hot tub that it's supposed to clip into, because those are below the deck, if that makes sense. So I need to figure out a better system. I haven't figured out a better system. It hasn't been an issue until, like, a couple days ago. But what I did the other day was I got a piece of plywood and I put that on top of the COVID And then I got a big cinder block and I put that on the piece of plywood and it held it down beautifully. No more problems. But, Andrew, do you think old Lukey B. Likes looking at a cinder block and a piece of plywood on top of his?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's so funny, because I was thinking about how you in your story the other day that, like, that line has sort of lived with me because there are things around my house that have driven me crazy for a long time. And I think, ugh, I just. I need to take care of that. And I think I even told you some of these things. Zevs and I are now consulting with some folks. We might actually do a bit of a Renault down here. But I just think about how I live with these things. Like, we have this just really gross part of our kitchenette downstairs. The whole kitchenette is gross. And it's like this part where the particle board is, like, swollen up from water damage, and then it's, like, peeling away. And it just gives me the bad feeling every time I see it. And I just think, like, you would have. You would just see that and you would just call me and say, we can't do TB tail today. I just ripped apart my entire kitchenette. And, like, you wouldn't live with that. And, like. And the other day when you were talking about this cover, you were just very briefly, I think, in the intro of the show, you said, I put a cinder block on it. And then you're so. You know, I love to see a cinder block. And that's all you said and you moved on. But I remember that it stuck out to me because it was like, you can't live for like a week of rain. I could not cinder block.

[Luke Burbank]

It lasted less than 11 hours.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Even though there was a. You know, there was a pronounced chance of the wind returning. I talked my. Literally, like, the thing my brain said was, it's probably not gonna get that windy again. Which was me lying to myself so that I could have sort of like an excuse to remove this janky cinder block and weird piece of plywood off of the COVID Because every time I would walk by the sliding glass door, I'd see that it would give me a bad feeling.

[Andrew Walsh]

So you can't have a room that overlooks a parking lot at a Bonvoy property. Exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, here's. I did now. Now I am proud. Would be overstating it, but I did do one thing. When I took the cinder block and the wood off yesterday, that was not the dumbest thing, which is I didn't take them all the way back to their location, which would be under the deck for the plywood and over around here off of the Madrona Hill studio for the cinder block. I put them to the side so that you couldn't see them. But I stacked them neatly and I thought in case. And boy, did that come in handy Last night at 1:30 in the morning as there were purple explosions going on all over the neighborhood and the region. So I get that back on there, by the way. It's still on there. I could take a picture of it and send it to you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, that'd be funny. That'd be good.

[Luke Burbank]

It's very, very unpleasant to look at. But it will be staying there for the foreseeable future. Anyway, so then I come back inside and I immediately realized, like, I have no considering that I do live kind of out here and that, you know, power outages are a possible thing. I've got one flashlight that's not a particularly. I mean it. I did know where the flashlight was, so that was kind of good. And it did have batteries in it, but it's not like one of those, you know, those big. The big square ones that use like a crazy huge battery.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. I saw somebody walking their dog with one the other day. And it had both light coming out the front like a flashlight, but also had like sort of like a flashing thing or something. Well, the side of it was almost like a fluorescent light. Sort of like you could read by it or something like that. And I noticed that this person was using both at the same time, which seemed both cool, but also I worried about their battery life. Go ahead.

[Luke Burbank]

I bet you anything that those things are so much more efficient now because of whatever the technology is. But like that always as a kid that to me seemed like the most robust flashlight you could have just because it was so much larger than the other ones.

[Andrew Walsh]

You carry it like a jug. Exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

So like I don't have one of those. I just have like a little kind of small typical flashlight which I went and got and then, and then I just like got back into bed and I thought, well, we'll see how this goes. And I will, I'll give the local, the local power authority a lot of credit around here because I have at least 10 emails in my inbox telling me that the power had gone out, that that thing hit my inbox like three minutes after the power went out and then telling me when the power was going to come back on, which was wrong. It didn't come back on. If they said it's going to come back on at 3:30, it didn't. It came back on for good at about 5:30 in the morning.

[Andrew Walsh]

But it kept updating you though. So even if the first thing is wrong, it's like kind of like. And I'll bet you that might actually be a good use of like if not AI automated systems, you know, like that's a good, hey, we are working on this. We acknowledge it. They don't have to field a million calls from people reporting the same outages.

[Luke Burbank]

It did me a world of good because it just made me feel like someone knows this has happened, you know. So first email is at 12:40. Dear Customer, PUD is aware of and working on a power outage impacting your service. Please refer to the information below. Then they've got my address. Outage description Investigating estimated restored time 2:45am Then I get another email that's updating that time. And then, you know, anyway, I did have a moment when I was trying to fall back asleep where I was like, how do they, like I, you know, there's a lot of people losing their power around here. I saw a lot of purple explosions. Doesn't that mean that transformer is cooked? Like how are they getting my power back on that quickly? Like something happened, a power line snapped or a transformer blew up. Something happened so that there's no more electricity coming to my house. And if you asked me to fix that, that would take me probably a year.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, but you know, they're not asking you. Well, that's good.

[Luke Burbank]

But what I mean is like, okay, again, they don't have. There's not a crew of hundreds that work for the local utility here. Right. And so my neighborhood is out of power. Well, how many neighborhoods are out of power? And if all of those neighborhoods need someone to come out and like pick up a live power line that's flopping around, somehow cut it, stitch a new one in and put it all back up so that I'm able to listen to Morning Edition on my Sonos. I was like, how are they even going to do that before next week? It just seems like each one of those events, even for the trained professionals, should take some time. Whatever blew up in those transformers, I mean, are the wires fried? Like, how did they get this thing going in four hours? That was actually pretty impressive.

[Andrew Walsh]

And during the weather event, which is.

[Luke Burbank]

Ongoing, friggin pitch black outside. Flashlights, they have the really big kind.

[Andrew Walsh]

Of really big kind that you carry, like a jug, but also in the wind is whipping and everything. Yeah. I mean, when I would want to.

[Luke Burbank]

Be in a cherry picker.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. When Seattle was not hit with this, it was mostly, like you said, kind of rural areas. But when the power does go out, usually it is like, first of all, it's up here in north Seattle usually. And usually it is those transformers blowing up. Sometimes you can hear them. I know a friend of mine says he can see them sometimes from where he lives even a little bit further north of me. And so, yeah, I don't know. But here in Seattle, like, I think there are hundreds of people who go out, you know, because they, they need to, you know, get the.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that apartment got in trouble. Remember that?

[Andrew Walsh]

A couple years ago. No, what are you talking about?

[Luke Burbank]

City Light not a good culture according to various lawsuits. Yeah, like a real, kind of like a very toxic culture of like kind of hazing people and a lot of City Light employees from certain crews being wildly drunk while trying to fix power outage.

[Andrew Walsh]

What? No, I don't. I didn't see this. No, this.

[Luke Burbank]

Gorgle it in the Seattle Times. It was a very. I mean, I don't make. I don't mean to make light of what sounds like a really hostile work environment for the people who brought the lawsuit, but yet it was a whole. Sounds like, according to the allegations, just like a really kind of like super do. Almost like if you were going to make a sort of NYPD sort of. If you were to make a gritty TV show about the brotherhood and sisterhood of the police and how it's like really like the Wire kind of shit. Like, they go out and they're trying to like, control crime and solve crimes, but they're also closing down the bars every night and being themselves drunk driving home from the bars and being real McNulty kind of action, you know. Yeah, like that kind of a deal. That. But people whose job it is to fix the power in the city.

[Andrew Walsh]

How has CBS not made this show for after football? Such a good Sunday night CBS show. I love it. It's like cop land.

[Luke Burbank]

City Power.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, City power. That's it.

[Luke Burbank]

But who is the. As Tom Selleck is to Blue Bloods, who is their kind of aging star that only your parents are vaguely. Jimmy Smits is City Power.

[Andrew Walsh]

Peter Krause is already taken. Right. He's a fireman in one of those shows. I think the guy from.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, he's on the Fox one. Krause or Krause?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you know, you and I had this conversation. Genevieve has always had Krause. So I say that. And it. I never even. But I don't know. I never examined it until you said, oh, I think it's Kraus. And now I don't know because I only. I get my information from two sources, Luke, you and Genevieve.

[Luke Burbank]

And I would trust Genevieve. Those are not equally reliable sources, sir. Yeah, he's on totally. He's on that Fox one where he's like a fire guy with like, I think he's either with Angela Bassett or.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, is it Angela bad?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it's like, I think she's maybe like, I don't know if she's the cop side of it. He's the fire side of it. But yeah, like, City Power with like, Donnie Wahlberg is city because he's already on. I just keep going back to Blue Bloods on the new ones.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it's crazy. It's.

[Luke Burbank]

America has an insatiable. Americans of a certain generation appear to have an insatiable appetite to see what Donnie Wahlberg is up to.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, I want to listen to this. This is the. The only source I trust more than you and Genevieve. When it comes to pronoun television, actors.

[Luke Burbank]

Can seem larger than life. They can take on a kind of inflated Reanne Cooley.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is from Stephen Biancooley. Oh, this is morning edition from 2001. Luke. This is pre 9 11. This is from August 14, 2001.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my God.

[Andrew Walsh]

What's right around the corner? America Waits. NPR's Susan Stamberg talks with Peter Hume. Let's listen to the rest of the lead.

[Luke Burbank]

It's easy if they're very good at what they do to think an actor is his or her part. Each Tuesday this month, NPR special correspondent Susan Stamberg is asking actors about getting jobs and going for auditions. This week, the guest is a star of one of HBO's biggest new hits. The show is Six Feet under, about a family of undertakers in Los Angeles. Hilarious, dark, brilliant. Six Feet under is a kind of.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sopranos for the bereaved.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. And it's another HBO dysfunctional family. Nate Fisher, the eldest son played by Peter Krause, gives a snapshot description of.

[Andrew Walsh]

I guess she knows her stuff.

[Luke Burbank]

Susan knows her stuff.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. I don't know why or how she knows that, but it's crowded.

[Luke Burbank]

That's so interesting because it looks maybe the E. The E must make it into.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you know what? That's right. Genevieve speaks some German. She, she learned German at an early age. Maybe that's why she knows that. Now that I think of it, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, there you go. V's for the win, by the way. Dude, I have just been taking so many Ls lately on stuff that I've been so convinced of my rightness. I just got absolutely owned on Sunday.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wait, you got mixed nuts, right, though? Don't take that away from you. Mixed nuts.

[Luke Burbank]

But I had to Google it. But I was like, I don't, I was like, I feel like if that was Rob Reiner, I would have known it, considering how much mixed nuts discourse there is on this show. But so on Sunday morning, okay, two or two things happened and my mom was really, really, like, not letting me off the hook. So one was fairly minor. It was the question of if my brother David and his wife had purchased or leased their most recent vehicle. And I heard them say, we went to the dealership. And we, they said something like, and then we got a car. And I just, because I'm old fashioned when I hear about going to the dealership and getting a car, my mind thinks you bought it. But in fact, they had leased it. My mom on Saturday night was like, yeah, they leased a new car. I was like, I think they bought it. And she was, and then the next morning when they were all over and my mom said something about their car. Did you lease it? And they were like, yeah, we leased it. And she was like, I knew it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, let me ask you about that because I've, I am in a adult man now. I am, I am, I am starting to push past middle age here oh, way past. Yeah, that's right. What am I living to 100? Come on. Of course, my grandma lived to 101. Anyway. Yeah, we have similar lifestyles as well, but my dad leased vehicles his entire life. He might even still lease it. And it was like, because him and his brother, my uncle, like, owned a company together. So they would kind of get their vehicles through the company somehow, you know, and they would lease them and they would tell the taxman that they. No, I'm just joking. The more I describe it, it sounds like they're up to something shady.

[Luke Burbank]

But.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I just know that they liked cars and they like. Probably a business advantage to leashing.

[Luke Burbank]

You can write it off in a certain way.

[Andrew Walsh]

And so they would. But I know that leases were big, but I never quite understood it or the idea of lease to own. And I'm not asking you to explain all of that to me, although I guess you want. But if you're leasing a vehicle, just back to this specific example you're giving, I still imagine that it's a similar process. You would still go to a dealership and shop for cars and look at them and maybe take one for a test drive. Right. Why would experience be different?

[Luke Burbank]

It wouldn't be. I just assumed, mistakenly that they had purchased the car or agreed to purchase the car on payments as opposed to agreed to lease the car. And the difference is when you're done with the lease, you have to give the car back. And the theory behind a lease is you would have lower payments. Like, basically a lease is for someone who says, look, I'm always going to have a car payment in my life. Like, I'm not going to buy a car in cash. And by the way, the average new car, the average cost of a new car is $50,000. Now, I just heard that the other day on like, Marketplace or something, which is just. I mean, it's just my parents could have bought our first house in Seattle in green lake for $72,000.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I was thinking that. I was like, there are people listening who probably bought their first house for less than that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, absolutely. So no wonder most people are going to have a payment for life. And so if you already are, just like, if you think of your car cost as like a payment that I just always have, that's. I have a cell phone bill, I have a car payment, then the idea of the lease is one, you are not owning a depreciating asset.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, you're not, you know, you're not buying something for $35,000 that's immediately worth less than $35 and just becomes less valuable the longer you own it. You're just making a payment on something that you're using until you're ready to get the new version of that thing, and then you just keep paying for it. That's the sort of thought behind a lease, as far as I understand. And, like, my car. I initially leased it, but because of the weirdness of the pandemic, I actually had equity in the car when my lease came up. This, like, never happens in normal life, but it did because of, like, the chip shortage and, like, yeah, just the whole thing where when my lease was up on my car, I could. Then I contractually had the right to buy the car for an amount of money that was much less than it would have cost me to buy the car without that contract. Like, if I just walked onto the lot that day and I wanted the same car. So I actually had, like, it somehow allegedly made some financial sense for me to purchase the car outright. So I now own the car that I was previously leasing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, let's get back to.

[Luke Burbank]

That was a pretty small. That was a pretty small L. And I was, frankly, my feelings were hurt that my mother was lording it over me. But then she really got me good on the next one, which was. We were sitting around and we were talking about my other sister Elizabeth's wedding and that she and her now husband Jason had performed a song together at their wedding. Like, I don't know if it was part of the reception or part of the ceremony, but they sang a song to each other. And my mom was like, yes. And the song was if I Were a Carpenter. And the thing about my mom is, my mom has never delivered the name of a song without singing the song. So my mom would not say, oh, if I Were a Carpenter, if I were a carpenter and you were my lady. And she was like. And I just thought that was so great because Jason was a carpenter. And I was like, yeah, mom, except that's not the song.

[Andrew Walsh]

They did.

[Luke Burbank]

They did the song Jackson by. By Johnny Cash and. And June Carter Cash. And. Because the thing of it was, I don't. I was not very familiar with the song Jackson before I heard them sing it, my sister and her husband. And so that it was. It was very formative to me because I was like, I didn't know much about that. It was before that Johnny Cash biopic came out that really kind of revived that song with, like, what?

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't really know that song.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it's, you know, we got married in a fever hotter than a pepper sprout. I'm going to Jackson.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, oh, yeah, of course.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah. We're going to Jackson. Goodbye. That's all she wrote. But that song really popped back up in the culture from that movie. And you start to see people doing it at karaoke, and you start to hear it a lot more. I just remember not knowing much about it, hearing my sister and her husband sing it and thinking, what a cool song. So I was like, sorry, Mom. The Johnny Cash, June Carter Cash song, it's Jackson. And she goes, I don't know. And I was so confident that sitting there having coffee Sunday morning, I call my sister Liz on speakerphone. Now, by the way, was my sister Liz and her family coming to my house that day? Yes, but I didn't want to wait. I couldn't wait to be so right. And I put her on speakerphone and I was like, hey, Liz, could you. Could you settle a little debate here? What song did you and Jason sing at your wedding? She goes, it was Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash, if I Were a Carpenter.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, wow.

[Luke Burbank]

And I was like, talk about. This is why you play the second half of the game. I was leading in the first half of that answer. I was like, up 21 nothing. I was like, the Patriots at the Bills last week. I was Dave Portnoy doing a victory lap.

[Andrew Walsh]

You were the. You were the equivalent of the Internet meme of a horse that's really drawn well for the front half, the back half. It's just. I have terrible stuff.

[Luke Burbank]

If you would have said, luke bet your entire 401k and home, but all of your worldly possessions right now on. On the fact that you're right. I would have said, easy money. That's free money right now. Because when I hear Johnny Cash, June Carter Cash, I'm like, I'm in. It's done. We win. And then the second half of the answer was exactly what I didn't want to hear.

[Andrew Walsh]

So is there a reason why you thought it was Jackson other than just a simple mix up? I thought you were going to say something like, oh, no, Jackson was somebody's first dance or something like, maybe you did hear it that day.

[Luke Burbank]

They have done that song together at karaoke multiple times. So I've seen them sing that song. It just wasn't at their wedding. Which also kind of makes sense because the actual song, Jackson is, you know, it's basically like. It's kind of like a guy and a girl that are fighting and they're kind of being a little bit tough on each other. And he wants to go to Jackson and. And basically, you know, probably talk to some other gals and she's not liking it. It's like. It's tonally. It would be a kind of odd song to sing as part of your wedding ceremony versus the other one. But I just had seen them sing that song and I had just combined the them singing that song into the wrong context. But again, it's just another example of a time where I was. So I would have bet my life on that. Like, I could tell you exactly what I was wearing, what it smelled like and felt like at the wedding reception while they were singing, or at the wedding ceremony while they were singing this song. Like, I was there. I watched it happen. Except that's not what happened. And I don't like that feeling. And I feel like that's happening more and more to me these days.

[Andrew Walsh]

Are you sure they didn't sing Hurt the Nine Inch Nails cover?

[Luke Burbank]

It was a Reznor number in style. I hurt my style myself today.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hell. Memorable Wedding. Memorable wedding.

[Luke Burbank]

The very end of Girl from the north country.

[Andrew Walsh]

So much.

[Luke Burbank]

I hate the ending of that song with every fiber in my being.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've always liked it and now I don't know that I've gone back and listened to it since. You do me one solid, please start all over it. And now I don't know if I can even go back back and listen to it. I remember being shocked by that record because of Bob Dylan's voice. I didn't realize that he had that because the whole skyline isn't the whole record in that. In that sort of register for him, I think. And he. Or a lot of the songs are It's Got Lady Lay on It.

[Luke Burbank]

And yeah, that's got.

[Andrew Walsh]

I remember being surprised by that.

[Luke Burbank]

I'll be staying here with you.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I always remember thinking I liked when Johnny Cash came in because I think that was another surprise to me. I didn't know much about Bob Dylan before I heard that record. And I remember I was living in New Hampshire at the time. And I think a lot of people I worked with liked it. And there's a part of New Hampshire called the North Country. I think I went to God, what was it? Newbery Comics. This place that I loved. A record store and comic store. And I remember buying it and being like, oh. And being into it and then not really thinking about it that much in the intervening years and decades. And then I'm over at your house a couple of years ago for the thon. You're just like, what is with that terrible song? I'm like, well, I thought it was a.

[Luke Burbank]

It's not even the. You know what it is. It's not unlike. It's not like that horse, the badly drawn horse. I have no problem with the song until the last. Like, they kind of go into dueling banjos at the very end. And that's where the song. That's where it really falls apart. Can I. I know this will get us banned in certain places. Can I just play you the very end of the song?

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure, yeah. I don't know where Latvia stands on this.

[Luke Burbank]

Sorry. Yeah, sorry. Eastern Europe be damned. Let's see here. So this is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wow, wow, wow, wow.

[Luke Burbank]

Holy cow, that super loud.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that hit really hard over here.

[Luke Burbank]

Wait a sec. Is that just the friggin.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's what is harmonica?

[Luke Burbank]

That. Just a harmonica or feedback. What in the holy hell? Sorry about that. Remember me? Oh, you know what? This is not the same one that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sorry.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, here's the Johnny Cash version. And sorry about the.

[Andrew Walsh]

The.

[Luke Burbank]

The unpleasant audio.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

It sounds to me like two. It sounds like me and Camaro Kevin, when we were at our limit doing karaoke at the Mandarin Gate or something like. It just. I don't know. And I really like Johnny Cash, obviously. And I'm. I am a Bob Dylan fan and I. I mean, I was like crazy for that. That record. I was obsessed with it when you. When you and John were here for that thon. For whatever reason. So I. I do like all that stuff. Just the ending of that song strikes me as like. I just. To me, it's weird that they did that and then the producers were like, yeah, that was. Okay, well, we've got it.

[Andrew Walsh]

I really. Even listening to it right there, I thought you were gonna say, oh, I guess it's not as bad as I thought.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, it was a little. It was less like.

[Andrew Walsh]

That sounded nice. Like, I like. I mean, he sounds like a Muppet. Certainly he's singing that. It's what I call his Muppet era. Of course, he went through his Christian era and then this was his Muppet era.

[Luke Burbank]

And again, I don't allow to listen to him during his Muppet era.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm not. He was a chaos.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, that didn't listen. Andrew, we've already agreed this is the week of L's for Luke. I'm taking a lot of L's here and I just adding that to the list because it was not as bad. It's not as bad as I remember it being, but it's still. It's not the highlight of the record.

[Andrew Walsh]

But there is a little detail here that you pointed out to me that I'm sort of trying to Google on the fly. And you just, I think, experienced it because originally. So that song was an early. Tell me if I'm wrong. I'm saying this like a statement, but I'm gonna go up at the end. Cause it's a question, Luke. So that song, Girl from the north country. Or wait, that's not Girl from the North Country, Right?

[Luke Burbank]

That is Girl from the North Country.

[Andrew Walsh]

But he did an early version of when he was more in his folky years or even folkier years, like his, like New York era. What do you call that?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, Cafe Wa.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right. And then he comes back and redoes it on this album, which I'm trying to remember. It's Nashville skyline, National skyline. Right. You just said that. Okay. And so is that another reason? Because I don't think. I think this is the first version I heard not being a Bob Dylan head. So do you think it's also somewhat sullied or impacted by the fact that maybe you were a fan of the original version first?

[Luke Burbank]

No, I can't take that kind of. I can't give myself that kind of credit as far as being like, so sort of so familiar with the work of Bob Dylan that. That's the thing that threw me. And again, I like Johnny Cash and I generally like that song up until the, like Dueling Hobos at the end.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I assume we cannot name this show Dueling Hobo.

[Luke Burbank]

I feel like hobo has fallen out of fashion.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was thinking about that people experiencing hobo ness.

[Luke Burbank]

Because like I was. You know, we had John Hodgman on Livewire a little while ago, and I was going back and reviewing some of his work in his career and like the whole hobo, like he's a man who built his career on hobo studies.

[Andrew Walsh]

I forgot about that.

[Luke Burbank]

And now we don't really say that because considered sort of disrespectful to folks or whatever. But I thought, oh, man. Well, that's. That's. That's too bad for him. Those books are probably out of print now and never to be printed again. Anyway.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

One other quick thing before we thank some donors, Andrew. We had a real all timer this morning on opb because, you know, we've got holiday travel coming up. And of course, what do you do when you're a. When you're a radio station, really, of any kind, any sort of news station. What do you do when there's holiday travel coming up? You reach out to aaa.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, sure. Okay. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

For a quote, about holiday travel. And what does AAA say? They're like, you know, a lot of holiday travel coming up. We spoke with so and so from aaa. They had advice on what to do. And it was like the advice from the person at AAA was check the weather forecast before you leave and also make sure you leave yourself enough time to get where you're going. Oh, just like, pack your patience. Thank you, aaa, for that. Thank you for that incredible piece of wisdom that it would have never occurred to me to check the weather before I leave on my trip and also to make sure I leave enough time to get where I'm going. Like, do you think the people. And again, peace and love to the people from aaa. But do you. I mean, do you think when they get the call from the local radio station that it's time to do this. It's time to do this interview? Do you think they just, like. They go, yeah, okay, of course, sure. Yeah, yeah. Just, you know, call me back whenever and I'll give you the quote, we'll talk about it. Great. And then they hang up the phone and they just go. They just slump in their chair. Just like, I have to do this completely useless bit of theater once again.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I don't think so. Probably stoked. I think they're fine with. That's their job. I think they probably like the occasional rad hit. I'm surprised. Okay, first of all, I read the show sheet also.

[Luke Burbank]

It was Johnny Cash doing it.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's my.

[Luke Burbank]

That's Bob Dylan as a Muppet doing the AAA spokesperson. I know what you're doing.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know that everybody does their own version of Bob Dylan. He's one of the most, like, sort of imitated voices, famously. But I do think that I'm the only one who does it like that.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, who does. Keep talking. But then I want to.

[Andrew Walsh]

Freewheeling Bob Dylan.

[Luke Burbank]

I want to return. I want to return to this in a moment, but keep going.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't need you. I can just make myself laugh with my Bob Dylan impression. Anyway, I thought that you had. I looked at the show sheet and you wrote something like, oh, more helpful travel tips on the radio this am. And I thought I was looking at that quickly this morning. And I thought you were listening to AM radio because what you just described is way more of an AM radio kind of thing, you know, or the kind of news wheel radio, commercial radio that you and I used to work in. I can see Dan Restione at the news desk saying, okay, we got our guy at aaa. Okay, we're rolling now, so tell us what you should do. Well, you're gonna really wanna pack your patience. It's still Bob Dylan. And then, you know, really leave yourself enough time, whatever. And they just, like, churn those things out. I'm kind of surprised that public radio gave in to such. I hate to say it, and all due respect to our friends at OP have suffered enough from members of the TBTL hosting community this week, being stood up and whatnot, but I do expect.

[Luke Burbank]

I did get an email about that, by the way.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, give us some closure on this. Tell us what happened here.

[Luke Burbank]

It was great. It was thanking me for my participation in the listening exercise. It was to everybody.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, quick recap. You got these emails that said, hey, thanks for participating in this listening session at Oregon Public Radio or whatever, or media or whatever they are now, or Beeb broadcasting. And you never responded because you never signed up for it. And then the other day, yesterday, two days ago on the show, you're like, I'm supposed to be at this thing right now. They think I'm there, but I never said I was gonna go, so I'm just not there. And you were worried that your absence would be felt.

[Luke Burbank]

I guess it was felt so sort of deeply that they continued to keep me on the list to say thank you all for your participation yesterday. So for all they know, I was there and gave.

[Andrew Walsh]

You were there.

[Luke Burbank]

Go get useful feedback.

[Andrew Walsh]

Go get your lunch voucher.

[Luke Burbank]

I know, right? I missed out on a free lunch. Okay, quickly on the. We may have played this before, but James Austin Johnson from snl, he's got a great bit on Bob Dylan. He does a great Bob Dylan impression. I don't know if this is the particular interview where he talks about it, but he has this great kind of sort of riff on the Bob Dylan of Nashville skyline, which is just like how insane it would be if, like, Taylor Swift or somebody who's very famous these days just showed up on her new album. Was just like, this is how I sing now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like a new voice?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, like a new voice. And everyone was like, okay, so here's James Austin Johnson talking to James Fallon on the Tonight Show.

[Andrew Walsh]

You should. You should listen because his voice is a little terrifying.

[Luke Burbank]

Is there. Is there an era of Dylan that you like doing the most?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, there's too many to pick. I mean, I love the modern rough and rowdy ways. The last record. Record.

[Luke Burbank]

So good.

[Andrew Walsh]

So good.

[Luke Burbank]

It was fantastic.

[Andrew Walsh]

But the Bob Dylan that we love is the Greenwich Village Bob Dylan.

[Luke Burbank]

Would you be up for showing us your Bob Dylan?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I could walk you through. I love how natural Jimmy Fallon's questions are. Just off the dome.

[Luke Burbank]

What's that?

[Andrew Walsh]

I love how natural Jimmy Fallon's questions are. He's like the bad NPR host who can't even pretend. He's, like, not reading anymore. It's just so, like. Oh, are there any eras that you like specifically? Just, like, here? I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna lazily set up everything that they told me to set up before the show.

[Luke Burbank]

You're not getting invited to my next carpool karaoke party, Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Damn it. With.

[Luke Burbank]

With the holidays coming up, maybe could we hear Bob Dylan.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh.

[Luke Burbank]

Singing Jingle Bells?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah. We could maybe start it off like that folky Greenwich Village Bob Dylan. Here, let me get this microphone. This harmonica here. This will be helpful.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

Jingle bells, jingle bells Jingle all the way. Oh, what fun it is to ride. He's always giggling on these songs. Fun it is to ride.

[Luke Burbank]

James Austin Johnson's ear for details. I mean, you and I have been obsessed with him since he was just wandering around Los Angeles doing Trump impressions into his phone. Yeah, yeah, he's.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think Calvin Kulage said that. It's like, some professionalism. Please, Bob. But then.

[Luke Burbank]

But then he did.

[Andrew Walsh]

How about the crooner?

[Luke Burbank]

When he did the crooner, kind of.

[Andrew Walsh]

The lay lady Lay.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, the.

[Andrew Walsh]

The national line. Bob Dylan, he had a completely different voice. All of a sudden it's like. And. Jingle bells, jingle bells.

[Luke Burbank]

That's great.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's wonderful. Thank you, baby.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, let's thank some donors. These folks are donating to tbtl, and it's the only way this show can happen. This is 100% listener supported podcasting folks like Kara Tillman out there in Austin, Texas.

[Andrew Walsh]

All right, thank you, Kara.

[Luke Burbank]

Kara. Lisa Belonger is in Neenah, Wisconsin. Did we go through Neenah, Wisconsin?

[Andrew Walsh]

It doesn't ring a bell to me, but I had to look this up when you. I was on a different page there. I was gonna try to do a bit where I thank everybody by mentioning a Bob Dylan song. And I was gonna say, kara, you are a real Mr. Tambourine man. And then the whole idea just fell apart on me, so I got distracted. But Nina is not spelled N I, N, A as I pictured in my head, as you said that. But N, E, E, N, A h.

[Luke Burbank]

It looks like I'm on a map here. Well, it looks like it's on Lake Winnebago. Or it's close. It's close to Lake Winnebago. Okay, so it's, it's not too far from Appleton. It's a bit north from Oshkosh. It's well north of Fond du Lac.

[Andrew Walsh]

I love that they named a lake after a big van.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Isn't that great, rv?

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you so much. We really appreciate it, Lisa. Also, thanks to Rebecca Pappas, who's in Seattle, Washington. I don't need to look that up on a map.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly. I know where it is, too, and I hope your powers here. And I heard there was a. Just very, very few power outages here last night in Seattle, but mostly up north here. I was worried about my sump pump. Last night I was down here playing darts, and I could hear the rain just hammering the house, you know, And I kept looking at that sump pump and I was like, if the power. I've just been worried about the sump pump maybe failing, but it's been fine. But I'm like, oh, wait, if the power goes out, we don't have that thing on a generator. If the power goes out for a period of time and this rain continues. News, we'll be in some trouble. We have been. I'm knocking on wood. I'm knocking on microphones. We have been very lucky so far during these storms.

[Luke Burbank]

If I wanted to do the ultimate. I'm not going to do this.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, no.

[Luke Burbank]

But if, if, if I wanted to do the ultimate, like, aesthetic move with the. With the power situation at my house, I could. I found out I could pay out of my own pocket to have my power lines buried.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Because right now when you pull up to my house, I've got a big old power line coming off of, like, a power pole down to the Madrona Hill studio. And then I've got another one going to the house. And I don't really love the look of it. It's a little busy. And it is a thing you can pay to have them buried. And then, of course, there's. There's less likelihood of them being a problem. But in fact, it's not the, the power lines going to my house into the Madrona Hill studio. That's not where the power outage is happening. The power outage is happening somewhere down the line. So that wouldn't even necessarily really protect me from power outages. It would just look better.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do you know that but some of the funnest memories. Well, that's a really broad statement, but I have such fond memories of a time when we lived out in the country and we had these power lines. I don't even really remember the power lines, but they cut across our property. We had a lot of. We had, like, a lot of land, sort of like seven acres or something, which is a lot by my standards. And we lived out in the country, and there were these power lines that apparently, like, went the length of our property, kind of right down the middle of it. And. And I don't really remember that as much as I remember my parents deciding that they were going to have them buried, you know, underground, like you're describing.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

And the reason this was fun was it feels like this was like a project in my head. It feels like it took years. It probably just took one summer or something. But during that summer, we just had this big trench down our. And I don't remember anybody out there working on it. I have no memories of the actual construction. I just remembered this muddy trench that we. Not muddy, but, like, dirt trench that we had right down the middle.

[Luke Burbank]

That feels like real army man. Potential.

[Andrew Walsh]

Luke Burbank Tonka trucks Army man but especially the Tonka truck thing. I just remember I had, like, that big metal Tonka trunk that had the arm on it. It was like kind of a backhoe. It was like. What do you call it? It had like a backhoe and something else on the front end loader, too, or whatever. It would spin around. I just remember spending hours and hours just like. I love the idea that I could just. An entire summer day could go by with me just sitting there in the dirt by myself, playing with toys.

[Luke Burbank]

See, you had much more of an imagination than I did. And this portend. This is portended or it portended not great things for me, which is that I need so much stimulation all the time. This has been an issue for me in my life because I'm always trying to distract myself with one thing or another. I was never that kid who could just kind of, like, sit in my backyard. I can remember, like, the one time I did something like that. I had some kind of Hot Wheels cars or something. And I remember sitting when we lived over kind of actually not far from the Pinehurst Pub.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

If you want a locator.

[Andrew Walsh]

I do.

[Luke Burbank]

And. And I remember sitting in the backyard and there was some kind of dirt mound and I was doing something with the cars on it. That was it. That was the extent of my, like, that was the one time I ever actually used my imagination to play by myself. The rest of them was always like, can we go somewhere? Or can I go to a friend's house? Or can we, like. Like, I just always needed a lot of stimulation.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I remember that was a very special summer because I'd play with my toys out there. And also it was my last summer at home because I would go off to college the next year. So it just really. Remember that you just really stuck. It really stuck out of my memory.

[Luke Burbank]

Gabe Strand is supporting the show today from Grand Marais, Minnesota.

[Andrew Walsh]

Nice. Are you confident with Grand Marais?

[Luke Burbank]

No. After this whole Peter Krause thing, I don't know what to believe.

[Andrew Walsh]

Susan.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm having a tough week, sir.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, you said it with confidence, which I really like.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, well, I've got. I'm nothing if not confident. Wrong. Yes. Confident. Also. Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Here, let me play something for you that I just stumbled on today. I don't know if I should really play this because this was sent to me not for tbtl. This was sent to me years and years before I was doing tbtl, maybe even before TBT was around. I don't know. But I stumbled on this. This is my friend, a long time ago, maybe 20 years ago now, recording his niece, singing a song.

[Luke Burbank]

I have confidence in sunshine I have confidence in rain I have confidence that spring will come again Besides, would you.

[Andrew Walsh]

See I have confidence in me it goes on from there. Do you know this song?

[Luke Burbank]

Strength doesn't Come in numbers.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you know it?

[Luke Burbank]

It's from Sound of Music.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I didn't know. This is my strength.

[Luke Burbank]

Comes from nights of peaceful slumber when you wake up Wake up.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, she does yell wake up at one point in this. Okay, gotcha.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Cause that's a Julie Andrews. Oh, I thought it was a song.

[Andrew Walsh]

I believe. I thought it was, like, a youth church song or something.

[Luke Burbank]

It's my church. The church it is. So I've been going off about how my memories are clearly not to be trusted, but then sometimes I'll also pull one out that I just can't even believe I did. So when I was a kid and we lived in Eureka, California, and I was very young, though still we went to my mom and dad with me. Liz probably wasn't even born yet, so I would have been under the age of four, we went to the JCPenney's in Eureka, California, and bought the Sound of Music album. It was a double album. And I remember being in the JCPenney's as we were buying the Sound of Music on vinyl, which is like, how did my 3 year old brain even process that or make a memory from that?

[Andrew Walsh]

I think you were actually buying Highway 61 revisited. You're wrong about that. Actually. I just talked to your sister about it.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I bet you did. Connie Pearson is in Westminster, Colorado and is one of our donors today. Thanks, Connie. And then Sabrina Richter out there in Spokane, Washington.

[Andrew Walsh]

They're getting kind of hit hard too with this weather. Right. Am I right about that? Probably.

[Luke Burbank]

It could. Well, I think that, is that. Does the blizzard watch extend over.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right, right. There's a blizzard watch.

[Luke Burbank]

It's crazy. Like looking at the Seattle Times this morning and just like the headlines, it's like, you know, flood watch in the western part of the state as rain and wind pummel, blizzard watch in the mountains. It's like, like, you know, it just feels pretty apocalyptic right now out here.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Yeah, it does look like. Yeah, a lot of power outages out there in Spokane.

[Luke Burbank]

So we usually get. What we usually get is, it seems like. So on the west side of the state, you get a lot of rain because the clouds come in heavy with, with, with water. But they can't get over the mountains because the weight of the water is keeping them at a lower altitude. They dump all of their water on us, then they go up over the mountains and that's why the east side is called the rain shadow.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I have heard that. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And so they, they get much less of it. But anyway, yeah. So thank you so much for our donors for making TBT possible today. We could not do this without you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hello and welcome to Top Story.

[Luke Burbank]

I watched Stand By Me last night. I'm really on one with these Rob Reiner movies also.

[Andrew Walsh]

Just.

[Luke Burbank]

I know I've been saying this each day, but like, I don't know if it's because the news cycle just continues with this story of people paying their tributes to him, of people. I just see like random people on Tick Tock who were like Rob Reiner's assistant in the 90s. I have not heard one person who knew Rob Reiner and his wife personally say anything other than like anything negative about them.

[Andrew Walsh]

And in fact, it's, well, the one notable exception.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, sure, yeah, exactly. I don't want to give that any more oxygen, but. Yeah. Of what? It's just, just what I've been thinking about is I've been watching again, it's not even famous. I mean, you've got Billy Crystal, you've got all the famous people that knew Rob Reiner that are really remembering him fondly. But then you just have random people who are like, oh, yeah, I used to be his personal assistant. And he was unbelievably kind to me in ways that were unnecessary or people that were like, you know, on a set, but they were not a particularly famous actor at the time who were like, Rob Reiner came up and just made me feel so comfortable and confident, like I could do this. And like, he just seems like a guy who was just moving through the world, improving every single situation that he was involved in, which is just incredible. So I figured I would watch Stand By Me last night because I have not seen that movie since I was probably 10 years old. And it's, you know, for people my age, it was a big movie because it's a coming of age film. It's got way more Richard Dreyfus in it than I expected.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've never, you know, I'm looking at this now. I don't think I've ever seen it. And this is a weird place to take it. But have you heard of the movie the River's Edge? Or just River's Edge, which is like a. They're both kind of similar, right? They're involved finding a body or something. And I think that even though they're both dark, I think River's Edge is especially dark and gritty. And I was thinking, I was just now looking like, well, which one came out first? I can't believe they came out in the same year. River's Edge has not as quite of a loaded cast, but it does have Crispin Glover, Keanu Reeves and Ione sky. And then Stand By Me, I didn't realize has Will Wheaton in it. Wheaton, everybody. The. In the starring roles are super famous as adults. You know, they all got.

[Luke Burbank]

And this was really the movie that launched all of them. It's. It's River Phoenix, it's Will Wheaton, it's Jerry o' Connell and, And Corey Feldman are kind of this little crew of kids. And then it's all narrated by Richard Dreyfus.

[Andrew Walsh]

Kiefer in there.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm just seeing Kiefer Sutherland's in there. He's a bully.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. And. But yeah, I mean, it's, you know, and it's also kind of interesting because it's, it's set in, I think, the fictional town of Castle Rock, Oregon. But I think it was maybe shot. I think it was shot in like, it was shot up near Astoria, Oregon, which was. This was during the. Heyday, of people filming in Astoria, Oregon, because, like, of course, Goonies was famously filmed there. And I think Kindergarten Copy was also filmed there. There was a lot of stuff going on in Astoria, but then the town that they're in is called Castle Rock, which became the name of Rob Reiner's production company. I think it was Castle Rock Productions.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, Castle Rock is the. You know, that. That is like.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, is that the Stephen King thing?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's the Stephen King. So. So. But I. This is what I started with a. Cause I always thought it associated with Castle Rock Productions being related to Stephen King because it also is Castle Rock, Maine. I was shocked when you said Castle Rock, Oregon, because I didn't realize that Castle Rock kind of. They set it in various places in the country. But Castle Rock, in fact, a series came out recently called Castle Rock Stories or something like that. So Castle Rock is sort of a stand in for tons and tons of Stephen King settings.

[Luke Burbank]

I guess the confusing part of this is that Stephen King's original story was set in Castle Rock, Maine, but Rob Reiner moved the setting to Oregon for the film. Castle Rock, Oregon, in the film, Stand By Me is actually the real life time of Brownsville, Oregon.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

A charming small town that director Rob Reiner chose for its nostalgic, untouched 1950s feel. And today, fans can visit iconic filming spots. Blah, blah, blah. There's a Stand By Me day in Brownsville, so I guess it wasn't shot up near Astoria. So.

[Andrew Walsh]

Interesting though, another L for L. So this is what I've always been wrong about. I always thought that Castle Rock Entertainment was somehow held by Stephen King. And so if one of his. Which doesn't really make sense as far as these things go, but it was. Rob Reiner named his production company that later. And then that production company did go on to produce a bunch of Stephen King's works, I guess. But that was his.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, they were good. Stephen King apparently used to. He would license his books to rob reiner for $1.

[Andrew Walsh]

Huh. Interesting.

[Luke Burbank]

That's crazy.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, he would.

[Luke Burbank]

They just had an agreement. It's like a handshake. He was like, I trust you're gonna do. You're gonna do something good with these projects. I'd rather you have them than someone else. And, like, they'd just be a $1 thing or something. Wow.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wow.

[Luke Burbank]

Kind of crazy.

[Andrew Walsh]

But Kubrick had a very different deal. Deal with him. He never.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, right, Exactly. Anyway, Stand By Me, you know, it's. I'll tell you this. Movies where you have a cast of very Young actors who are doing a lot of the lifting is they're tough for me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

And I, I would say this. I think kid actors have gotten better. I don't know what. I don't know what that's all about, how that's happened, but I feel like we've had. I'm not. I can't even give you an example, Andrew, which is why this is fairly meaningless, what I'm saying. But, like, I feel like in the past 10 years, I've seen some cinematic performances from kids that I've been like, whoa.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, what about. How about. How about the Sense? Or. I was gonna say no more recent. The. I came on to say the Last of Us, but that's not it. The, The. The apocalyptic show. That was a video game that.

[Luke Burbank]

It is the Last of Us, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Is it the Last of Us? I thought that was. I. I'm getting confused. There were two projects around the same time. Is that. Yeah, but that, that. The Last of Us. Yeah. Yeah. That is the show I was thinking of. And I'm blanking on the actor's name, but she was amazing in that. Or is she a little bit older than what you're thinking?

[Luke Burbank]

I guess she's. I thought she was really great, by the way. Bella Ramsey.

[Andrew Walsh]

Bella Ramsey.

[Luke Burbank]

Thinking of.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, but that doesn't quite fit what you're thinking of.

[Luke Burbank]

Written by Craig Mason, a one time TBTL guest.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, for. What was he a guest?

[Luke Burbank]

Craig Mason? Well, this guy's fascinating. He. I don't. I can't remember. I knew someone who knew this guy and he. This guy, they said, oh, you got to have my friend Craig Mason on. He's great. He also wrote the Hangover 2.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, okay. Yeah. I'm looking at his.

[Luke Burbank]

Which. Which is kind of like, you know, it was one of those things where it was like, well, are we. If we, if we hadn't been recommended to talk to this guy, would we be. Would we be trying to talk to the screenwriter of the Hangover 2? Probably not. But he is just such a good guest.

[Andrew Walsh]

He's just, just like.

[Luke Burbank]

He's got great stories, but here's what else he's famous for. He was Ted Cruz's roommate at Harvard. And he's been the guy who was like, Ted Cruz has always sucked, including when we were Harvard roommates. Then he went on to write. He wrote the Chernobyl show on hbo, which was great. He's really established himself as a really top level screenwriter. And now it's probably too fancy for us to have back on tbtl. But there was a time when we could get Craig Mason on this show.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's really interesting to see his chart, his filmography and television listings here because they kind of color code the various roles produced, like if he wrote it, directed it and produced it, and most of them he wrote. There's a couple of directorial things here and there. And then the Last of Us, director, writer, creator, executive producer, like, this is his project and so good.

[Luke Burbank]

His fingerprints are all over it.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm sorry I've gotten us away from Stand By Me, but I was going to say I have not gone into the second season. I loved season one of the Last of Us. I think I was hesitant there because I think I was confusing it with this is Us, which is very different. But I remember when season two came out, I was still, you know, like, maybe I still haven't fully pulled out of it, but I was in an especially dark place with the News of the World and the country and where we were. And I was like, this is an escapism for me right now. I don't want to go back into this even darker, apocalyptic world. Whereas now I feel like I'm just desensitized and numbed and unless enough to go back. But have you caught up on that because you really like the Last of Us two, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, you know, maybe. I've been in a. As evidenced by the fact that I've now watched three full movies in the last two nights, which is rare for me. I've been in a bit of a mode just since I've been home from my recent travels and because it gets dark at 4:30 where I'm just like. I don't know, I feel like hunkering down with movie and television content in a way that I kind of often don't. Maybe it's also because we're in a weird sports lull. There's no, there's no baseball. There is football when the Seahawks are playing. But the rest of the time it's like, well, what am I going to look at with my eyeballs? And. And so anyway, this would be maybe a good week for me to re engage with that because I really liked it. I, you know, obviously we talk about that bottle episode all the time, the Nick Offerman one. But like, I got, you know, I didn't stop watching the show because, well, I'm just so Android.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, did you not quite complete season one.

[Luke Burbank]

I didn't complete season one. And you know, when I got. It just takes. It takes almost nothing to just Drop this little seed of doubt in my mind about a show. And it's so sad because it's like I should just push through the things I don't particularly love when Pedro Pascal's brother comes back, comes back to the, like, you know, what do you call that? You know, the compound, the refuge, whatever. The city, New Boston or what are.

[Andrew Walsh]

They calling it, actually, Am I wrong? Unless you're talking about a different scene, I'm pretty sure that. That his brother lives there and his Pedro who rolls into town. I think by my magic, that's totally possible.

[Luke Burbank]

There's just this scene with them at a bar that I just was like, ooh, this show has been so good up until now. And then this one is. This is a little clunky for me. And then, okay, fine, but that happens, then move on. Do you think Johnny Cakes was a great moment for the Sopranos? No, but I still like the show. Like, I need to just push through. So when one scene doesn't hit for me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

I should get back on it.

[Andrew Walsh]

What does he say? Riding down the New Hampshire highway. We're Granite State highway with the wind in your hair. And I lived in New Hampshire at the time. I'm like, nobody calls it that, dude.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh my God. I love you, Johnny Cakes. Anyway, I should.

[Andrew Walsh]

I started.

[Luke Burbank]

I should start re watching that because I do love me a post apocalyptic kind of, you know, adventurous tale and. And all of that. Anyway, stand By Me. It was. I. I enjoyed it. You know, I think what Rob Reiner said about it is he said he didn't think it was his best film, but he thought it was the film that most represented him.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh.

[Luke Burbank]

Which I thought was an interesting way to put it. I mean, it was also one of the first movies he directed, so he probably still had a lot to learn at the time. And it's. I enjoyed it for the scenery.

[Andrew Walsh]

I.

[Luke Burbank]

It's. It's set in the 1950s. I just kind of liked the look of everything. I like that it's shot in the Pacific Northwest. Like I said, the kid acting was a little bit tough for me just because they're, you know, it's not sort of hyper realistic in the way that, you know, adult acting can be.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's especially interesting there, though, because I thought you were gonna say kid acting wasn't as good back in the day, but boy, you can really see the talent. I thought that you were gonna have a butt in there because all of these people, as we just mentioned, grow up to be really accomplished actors.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I mean, do they?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I reckon, let me put it this way. I recognize all of their names.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, but I do or yes, they became well known.

[Andrew Walsh]

They became well known. I actually think is Kiefer Sutherland. Do I like him for non acting reasons? I always like Kiefer Sutherland. Is he not a good actor?

[Luke Burbank]

No, no, that's okay. That's a good point. But what I would say is Kiefer Sutherland is older than the main cast.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, okay.

[Luke Burbank]

He's like a bully. Who's older than them? The core cast are all probably like maybe 12 years old or something. And they are like I said, I think River Phoenix was a really good actor. I think he's the best actor in the movie of the age cohort. He's in.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh yeah. And then Corey. Oh, of course Corey is not really a great actor. He was just a famous kid actor.

[Luke Burbank]

Famous for like license to drive and things like that. And now he's got this very interesting music career. I don't know if you've seen clips of it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is it Michael Jackson related?

[Luke Burbank]

It's sort of spiritually. There's a lot of Michael Jackson in there. He often dresses like him. He does some dance moves. It's not Michael Jackson music. He's not covering the songs of Michael Jackson. It's all original Corey Feldman numbers. And why it's so interesting is because he has been at this for years and is it is a serious undertaking for him. In other words, it isn't like he's just put out a couple of albums that sort of didn't go anywhere. It's like he. And he tours with a huge band and he's now been doing it so long that it seems like he's pushed through into this kind of weird world of like he can sell out like a 700 person venue or maybe 500 person venue with people who are I think mostly coming kind of ironically. Like I don't get the sense there's a lot of people that are like really big Corey Feldman music fans, like have all of his music and play it, you know, in their car while they're driving around just because they enjoy it. But there's this whole culture of like, like going to Corey Feldman shows, becoming friends with other people who go to the Corey Feldman shows. Like it's such a strange presentation that just the whole thing that he's doing. But again like he's been at it now for like at least 10 years. Like he tours, I think very regularly and has been doing it for a decade and has kind of through it would seem through sheer force of will, made it into a thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

I want to play the Sphere. Let me ask you a question about the Sphere in Vegas, by the way. I've been there, you've been there, and I'm about to ask the dumbest question. Especially in 2025. That thing's been around for a long time. But if you could describe how it looks from the outside, how would you describe it now when you. This is so dumb. I think I know the answer to this. I'm embarrassed I'm bringing it up. But when you hear that somebody is like, you go to the dome to see like a U2 or something like that. Are you seeing U2 or are you seeing a U2 concert movie?

[Luke Burbank]

You're seeing U2.

[Andrew Walsh]

You are seeing U2. That's what I always thought.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. You're seeing you.

[Andrew Walsh]

They actually had like a residency there. It wasn't. Yes, I later. I always thought that. And then I heard something recently that made me think, wait a second, am I an idiot when people say they went to the Sphere to see U2? Were they seeing U2 or a U2 movie? They're seeing you two. But they also.

[Luke Burbank]

They were seeing YouTube.

[Andrew Walsh]

They also. Because they did. They did the New wizard of Oz or something, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. So that's why it's a little bit confusing. Like, when I was there, U2 was not playing. In fact, nobody was playing. So what Becca and I went and saw was a movie, a film shot by Darren Aronofsky that was specifically shot to play in the Sphere. And it's just kind of. It's almost like a nature film. And it's obviously cinema, like from a cinematography standpoint is it's incredibly beautiful and immersive and it's really fun to watch it in that environment. The other thing that I've said about the Sphere is that they have the most helpful staff of any facility of that kind or size I've ever been in. It is very clear that on day one, the management said, we are going to make sure that every single person who's here wearing, like a Sphere polo is going to be like, unbelievably helpful, really knowledgeable about things, eye contact, asking you, hey, can I help you out with anything? How's it going? Like, that is the most well trained staff I've ever experienced in my life. I would trust them to run the U.S. government. I mean, I would trust anyone to run the US government right now over the people we've got, but especially the staff of the Sphere.

[Andrew Walsh]

They went around to every Chick Fil a in the tri state area and just hired away all poached.

[Luke Burbank]

Their top. Their top performers.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was really sad for the franchisees, unfortunately, because they were left scrambling as all of the employees.

[Luke Burbank]

Your heart breaks for the Chick Fil.

[Andrew Walsh]

A franchisee march towards the sphere.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I've been on this. I've been on this movie watching kick and I've been on this home cooking kick. I made the easiest thing last night that I was so weirdly proud of, which is I made some vegetable rice soup.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's again.

[Luke Burbank]

It was so rainy and cold. Okay. So there. When I used to live in Portland, there was this place called Vegan Thai basil around the corner for me. And I used to get this vegetable rice soup from them. And I was like, this is the best soup I've ever had in my life. And it's so simple. It's just chopped up vegetables. I would ask them to add broccoli to it. It's just chopped up vegetables and rice and a really like umami broth. And I've been saying to Becca, I was like, can you teach me how to make that soup? She was like, yeah, although, so it's probably pretty straightforward. And so yesterday I was like, again, it's getting dark at like 4:25 right now. And I was just like. And it was raining and gross. And I was like, I just want something cozy while I watch Chris Hayes in a half hour. And so I was like, well, let me just see what I have. And I went through my vegetable drawer and I had like everything that I needed for this soup because I have rice always on hand. And I sent you a picture. I followed a New York Times like, well, recipe. It was for chicken vegetable soup with rice. I just didn't put the chicken in and I did it on the iPad, Andrew. So it was great.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right. So did you. Did you tell us that you ended up buying.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I didn't.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was in your iPad curious. The other day you said you wanted one for your kitchen, but they're kind of expensive. So you're like, for a unitask if I'm only gonna use it for this thing. So do you just bite the bullet and just get a new one or did you?

[Luke Burbank]

I did, because in buying it at the Apple store, it was actually cheaper than buying it online from like Amazon or something, which is kind of wild.

[Andrew Walsh]

And you just bought like whatever the most simple one was about.

[Luke Burbank]

The most simple one that doesn't have cellular on it. It Only works with WI fi. It's the lowest amount of memory because.

[Andrew Walsh]

All you're going to use it for is basically recipes and taking photos at concerts. Right?

[Luke Burbank]

Taking photos of my family at the Grand Canyon, standing in front of other people, holding it up while I take photos of my family. Those are the two things for it. But no, it was great because it was like, I actually didn't even. This is the funny part. Part. I didn't really need the recipe, but I just wanted to utilize the iPad, if that makes any sense, because I understood the assignment. I was like, okay, I have some leeks that are. That I just had in my fridge. I had carrots, broccoli. What else? Celery. And so I knew what I was going to do. I was just going to, like, sweat some, sweat some garlic and the leeks, just to kind of do a little. Kind of base, get a little flavor going, and then throw in the other vegetables and just get them cooking just a teeny bit before I add in my broth. I had vegetable broth. I have something called better than bullion, which is just flavor bomb of like, vegetable, you know, vegetable something. And. And I had a bunch of vegetable broth. And I just threw it all in there. And then I. The one thing I wasn't sure of, do I need to cook the rice in the rice cooker and then put it into the soup or just throw the rice in? And turns out that's what I did use the New York Times for, is you just throw the rice uncooked into the soup because it's going to cook in the broth. And then I just like, like simmered this thing. And then when it was. Now, I did mess up one thing, which was I put way too much rice in. Because that rice, you know, I'm like, it was calling for three quarters of a cup. And I was like, that doesn't seem like anything. So I was like, I put in more like cup and a half.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's.

[Luke Burbank]

So what I have is a rice porridge.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, you got to add more, but you can fix that. Do you still have more broth that.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. What I'm going to do for lunch today is I'm going to take a scoop of my porridge and then I'm going to. I'm going to heat it up in a different, different saute pan with more vegetable broth so that I've. I've got the right ratio. And what I've just learned for next time is like, don't overdo it. On the rice. Like, actually do less rice than I think I need.

[Andrew Walsh]

Because you want broth. Like, that's.

[Luke Burbank]

I want broth. And right now the rice has now absorbed all the broth. But. But for last night, anyway, it was so delicious and comforting and exactly what I wanted. And it was just from things that were in my house. And again, not a complicated meal, but one that I think I'm gonna make a lot this winter because it's just like a delicious.

[Andrew Walsh]

It keeps.

[Luke Burbank]

And it was easy to do when I. Those are, like, little moments of triumph for me when I'm able to cook food from things that I already have inside my house.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I told you I was making something the other day, like a curry that I'd never even made before, but I kind of stopped on this recipe. I was scrolling through blue ski, and I was just like, oh, wow, this actually looks good. And it just hit me in the right moment, and I was, like, really psyched. And this is. Genevieve gets credit for this. Although it's something that I often complain about is like, buying. Buying some odd spice and buying a whole bunch of it when you only need one teaspoon. And then we have it for the next, like, 20 years until finally it's so far expired that I'm allowed to throw it away. But honestly, I was pretty psyched that we had most of the stuff, including, like, the one can of coconut milk that I needed and, like, all these other things. I was like, man, I think I had, like, literally everything maybe, except for the chicken needed, which. And again, that's where I love. And I know we kind of tease a little bit, but, like, like, that is the difference SARS makes. Having a fully stocked grocery store that is literally. I don't know how long it takes me to walk there. Seven minutes, maybe. You know what I mean? It's like more than 5, but I don't think it's 10. And the fact that I can, like, without getting in my car, just, like, put on my headphones, go to the SARS, and then come back with chicken. And the fact that it also has huge international sections means I can almost buy anything there. You can do stuff like that, right? On a whim? Anyway, I have taken this.

[Luke Burbank]

Will you buy, like, a rotisserie chicken and chop it up for that, or will you buy a chicken that you're going to then roast to use it in the recipe for that?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's usually chicken thighs. That particular thing I don't buy. I used to buy more kind of pre roasted chickens. I Haven't kind of done that in a while. Sometimes I'll do that if I need stock. If I need to make stock, I'll buy one of those things and then maybe kind of trim it down and then make stock out of it.

[Luke Burbank]

Bone collector in the house.

[Andrew Walsh]

The bone collector. In fact, you're kind of. I have some. I've just been kind of eating unhealthily lately. I was in a situation where I didn't have food in the house. So I'd, like, made myself spaghetti and meatballs the other night, but it was, like, late at night, and I, like, I had frozen meatballs, and then I just made, like. I don't know, what do you call those half penne pasta things? They're really good. They're like little tubes, but they're, like, short. Anyway, I just had a bunch of that, but I basically carbo bombed myself, like, right before bed. And it was tasty, but I hated myself. And then I haven't had anything else in my house for the 24 hours, so I've been just eating that. And so yesterday I'm like, I got to eat something else. So I went to the store and I bought myself a bunch of just, like, chicken and broccoli to roast tonight. But now you've got me on this soup thing, and I'm thinking about this. I know this isn't what you made, but I'm thinking about the Italian wedding soup that I made.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, that's good, too.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I'm like, damn, you might have just blown up my whole plan for my early dinner.

[Luke Burbank]

You could also. I know it's not a freezer feast, but you could also do that for football watching tomorrow night. I mean, I don't know if soup and football go together.

[Andrew Walsh]

Doesn't seem as great to me. Also, I always have plans to, like, snack during football games, and then I rarely do. Sometimes I do. If I make, like, a bunch of wings for just me and Veeves or something, then I will sit down and eat them during the game. But I always think, like, during the day, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna get all this food, and we're gonna watch football and eat the food. And then the game starts, and I don't even eat. It'll be like, two hours later, and I'll cook a pizza or something like that. I don't know. Maybe I just need. I love it at other people's houses, going over there, and they would, like, sometimes they have something that they call Pizza Mountain. Do you know those people?

[Luke Burbank]

People Sound really fun people.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good people.

[Luke Burbank]

As long as there's not an interception by the UW against Arizona, in which case you witness what the kids would call a crash out.

[Andrew Walsh]

I forgot that you have a painful memory associated with Pizza Mountain.

[Luke Burbank]

I think that was a different Pizza Mountain. I can't remember if that was the same or different Pizza Mountain, but I just remember. Remember being drunk and yelling things that I'm. You know, I'm. I'm hoping that it wasn't our good friend Mike Frizzell's in his last thoughts on this planet because it'd be a rough memory of me. I was very embarrassed by my behavior that night. I remember I literally don't exactly remember what I said, but I just remember looking over and seeing horror on the faces of the people I was with.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm trying to think, do you think I was there for that one? Because I always think that. Well, that's why I'm there. But you're saying. Saying Mike. But maybe this was before I knew Mike, because I wasn't on TBTL at the time. And he might have just been a friend of yours that I didn't really. I think.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I think there was different. I think Pizza Mountain made a couple of appearances.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Maybe I wasn't there for this particular one. I don't know. This is my box. This is my box. I never travel without my box.

[Luke Burbank]

What's in the box?

[Andrew Walsh]

In the first drawer I keep my magic stones.

[Luke Burbank]

What's in the box?

[Andrew Walsh]

Licorice. Licorice. Black, sweet licorice. Black, sweet licorice. Have some. What I like about that intro is it's not creepy at all.

[Luke Burbank]

No, definitely not.

[Andrew Walsh]

It makes me feel really comfortable.

[Luke Burbank]

It's definitely not David Cross singing this Is My Box from Amal and the Night Visitors.

[Andrew Walsh]

That sound is usually preceded by this sound. Or. No, I'm sorry, not preceded. Is followed by the sound of me grabbing an X acto blade. Because it means I'm going to open some packages that I found in the TB TL PO Box when I went to check on it yesterday. By the way, if you would like to send us something, and there's no pressure to send us anything, but if you do need to send us something, the P.O. box is 33687. Just send it to TBTL, P.O. box 33687, Seattle, Washington, 98133. That is what our friends. I got two things I'm going to open here, by the way. I have a whole bunch of holiday cards. Luke. Some of them are addressed to you and me and John. Some of them are addressed to us individually. I will get you and John your specific cards. So we'll be going through those, but not on the air because there's too many to go through. But I did get two packages, it looks like. And this first one is from our friends August, Stephanie and Jake, of course. August being a little Auggie.

[Luke Burbank]

Is that Baby Augie down Bandaigi?

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly. Oh, these are great. These are great. These are. I think you should leave.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my gosh. Is it him doing the zip line ornaments?

[Andrew Walsh]

Doing the zip line. Exactly. Did you say you have one of these?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, I got some of those last year, and I gave them out to people, and they were a big hit.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is wonderful. I did not have one, so I will be putting that on the Christmas tree. Thank you, Augie. I know that you're the one. Pick that out. That's wonderful.

[Luke Burbank]

That's been a huge advance in ornament technology, is that you can now take almost anything that's a photograph or a moving picture, and then they'll, like, I don't know, laser cut it somehow in like, a. Some sort of a plastic, and you've got yourself an ornament. It's really opened up a whole new world of ornaments.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's very exciting. And I have another package here I'm going to open, and this will be. This will be it for the day. This was sent, I think, a while back. My apologies to Max here in Seattle, who sometimes disparagingly calls himself Other Max, which I don't know if I like.

[Luke Burbank]

Your own.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, I don't know if he says it disparagingly, but I feel like, Max, you are Seattle Max to me. And you sent this a while back. You told me about it, and I finally have it here in my grubby little hands. And it says on the back of the envelope, luke, what's in the box? Within box crossed out and it says envelope. What's in the envelope? Oh, it's not licorice. It's not licorice. This is a nice little card. Handmade TBT art on the front of it, and it says, andrew, since you mentioned you've become a D and D curious, that is Dungeons and Dragons curious. Or at least that's how I interpreted it. I thought you could use this. Also, I got a 3D printer and want an excuse to make stuff. Either way, happy rolling. Signed other Macs in Seattle. And so I think I know what this is going to be. Look at this case. Can you see this? Look at this case. It's like a carrying case. On the outside of the. It says, no mountain too tall and good luck to all. Kind of embossed in the side of it.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like it inscribed, etched in there.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, it's actually.

[Luke Burbank]

Is that dice?

[Andrew Walsh]

And then if you open it up, it looks like it's going to be a dice holder, I think is what's happening here. There's no dye inside there, but I thought.

[Luke Burbank]

Do you think is that like 3D printed?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. So this is clearly 3D printed. And then it uses magnets to sort of, sort of clamp itself.

[Luke Burbank]

Dude, you could keep your weed in there.

[Andrew Walsh]

I could keep my weed in there. And my die, my multi sided die. I feel a little bit bad. I dropped the ball on that game I had gotten. I restarted it a few times. I'm talking about the video game called Baldur's Gate 3, or as we like to call it, look at the Baldur's Gate on this guy. And I started playing it and having no experience with this type of game or Dungeons and Dragons in general, I really found it to be a bit of a learning curve. But then I really tackled it and I was playing it. I restarted the game a few times, but then I got to a part where I felt like I knew what I was doing. But I had three failures in a row for lack of it. Either from rolling the dice and not getting what I wanted or very clearly achieving something, but then not finding the right key. And I was in this cave for a while and I couldn't get through the door. And I'm like, one of these orcs I killed must have the key, but I couldn't find it. And I just had like three of those in a row. And I'm like, I just don't have the energy for this right now. Like, I wanna, when I play games like a Minecraft or something, I want it to be like my brain is sort of. My brain is just sort of like takes the back seat a little bit. You know what I mean?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. You want, you want to kind of turn your brain off just enough.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And this required too much brain.

[Luke Burbank]

Have you tried doing it on keto?

[Andrew Walsh]

And so what I did was I got some ketamine and then I really hampered my roles, I gotta be honest with you. Anyway, I've been thinking about it. I have not told my friend Libby, who's been sort of my guide, my Sherpa through this. And so I haven't broken the news to her. Yet I think at some point I will get back into it, but I'll probably just start the adventure over again.

[Luke Burbank]

I do really like that box, though.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's really nice, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Whether or not you actually, actually use it for your DND d die, like, it's cool. I love that it's got the little inscription on it and stuff and kind.

[Andrew Walsh]

Of multi colored depending on how you hold it to the light. It's really something. It's really something. Very cool. I know you wouldn't call this 3D printing, though. Luke. I didn't hear your. Your diatribe on that. I just saw it on the show.

[Luke Burbank]

Why would I not call it 3D printing?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, is this not true? I don't know. I saw it on the show sheet. I thought you were taking exception at calling things 3D printing when it's not actually printing. And then I thought you addressed it when I was out.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe that did happen. My issue with that is when they say houses, like homes are being 3D printed, that's a big buzzword and people love to talk about it. And to me, what I've seen with these homes that are allegedly 3D printed is it's just a way of delivering the concrete in an unusual fashion, which is instead of like pouring, you know, building forms and pouring concrete walls for the house. House, or doing a traditional house, which would be like a big concrete slab, and then you frame it using wood. This is like, you know, an extruder that's extruding a block. Like a. Like a toothpaste. You know, you're squeezing toothpaste out of a tube, but it's concrete of some kind. And you just keep. It just keeps doing that over and over and over again as it's building up the wall incrementally. And then that's. The house is made out of this. This whole thing. Thing that to me, doesn't really feel like printing as much as it's just kind of a. It's a new and creative way to. To pour the concrete for a house.

[Andrew Walsh]

Interesting. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know enough about that. I was just. I made that comment just based on a. A, A like a bullet point that you had on a show sheet a couple of months ago.

[Luke Burbank]

I do think we're calling too many things 3D printed.

[Andrew Walsh]

But you're okay with this, though?

[Luke Burbank]

I'm okay with this because it was sent by a listener and maybe even made by a listener. So I want to be really careful.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was made by Max. Thank you. Max in Seattle.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Thanks, Max. And thanks to everybody for mailing stuff to us and for the cards.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, we have been on the cards.

[Luke Burbank]

I've only. Look, I don't want to. I don't want to sound like a sad sack, but I actually haven't checked my mail in a couple of days. I did get what I think is like a financial aid check for one of my neighbors in my mail. Like, the reason I know that is because it's got the name of a local college on it. You know how sometimes when you get a check in the mail, you can see that it's a check check?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, just the quality of the paper. So, like, I don't check my mail very often. And so because most of the important stuff I just get, like, you know, via email and digital and stuff now. So I went up there and I bring down this whole big stack of mail, and I'm leafing through it and tossing out the stuff that's junk mail. And then I see in there my. I assume, like, one of my neighbors maybe sort of like grown, like, children who are at the age where you might go to the local college, and that presumably that person's name on it. And then, what is a check? And again, I don't know how much the check is for, but I felt terrible because I don't know how long that was sitting in my mailbox. And so then I'm like, I took it up and put it in their mailbox, but I was just like, I wonder what's going. Like, I wanted to somehow, I wanted to see them and say, I have your son's check, but not because I stole it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Did I tell you this goes back a ways now, maybe like mid summer or something, that I was getting mail from somebody who lived here when this house was divided up into two kind of apartments or whatever. The basement where I do the show out of, it's a very small space. And like, I. I've never been comfortable with the notion that somebody was renting out this basement part as. As a standalone living space.

[Luke Burbank]

Ironically, it's one of your favorite places to be, but you also wouldn't want it to be your entire life.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I also have a whole kitchen upstairs and a bedroom upstairs. You know what? And like. And so. And so anyway, I don't know how many people lived here. We get, you know, occasionally envelopes with previous, like, tenants names on it when it was a rental property, and I would get some from one name that I would see over and over Sometimes it was usually junk mail. Every now and then, like, a delivery of something that I didn't quite understand why she was still getting deliveries here. And I had asked neighbors about her. I want to be a little bit careful. I don't think she would know about the show, but especially this deep into a Wednesday episode. But I'd heard, like, maybe a bit of a quirky person who, like, kind of ran a business out of here.

[Luke Burbank]

Too, and is sort of questionable.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, whatever. And so anyway, I'm not gonna go into more detail than that, but I got something in the mail that looked like it would be important in some way, and I don't. Oh, no, you know what it was? I accidentally opened it. I wasn't looking closely at the envelopes. I opened one up, and it was. Was something from a company. I don't know if it was a financial institution this time or something else that said, hey, listen, we've been trying to track you down. We have this check for you for $75 or maybe $100 or something. Like, please fill this out and get this unclaimed property. And then I. And so I. On the off chance, I'm like, well, I have her full name. Let me Google her. And I found myself on one of those kind of quasi zergnetti websites that gave me some contact info. And so I just tried two different emails that popped up, or one email and one phone number. And I just tried texting. And she responded almost immediately to the text. And I remember being very careful in my language, like, hey, I want to be very clear that I'm somebody who lives where you used to live now. And I got this note. I know this coming from a stranger, this sounds a little bit scammy. I can scan it for you or take a photo of this and send it to you so you can get your unclaimed money. And she responded. She's like, oh, yeah, that would be great. And then we corresponded a little bit, and she asked how some of the neighbors were doing. And then I. A couple of days later, I got another one from, like, American Express or something. I'm like, hey, these people say they owe you money too now, so do you want to fill this out? And so, like, you know, over the course of a couple of weeks or something, I think maybe she got, let's say, 200, $, 250, or at least requests to claim this money, which I assume she followed through with. But I think because of. I don't know what she did, she clearly is maybe a bit of a chaos muppet herself. Because I don't know why we're still getting this stuff here after living in this house for three years. But I think the fact that those came to our house and then maybe were followed up upon by her has re. Stirred up this idea that she still lives here. And she clearly has other financial loose ends because. And I don't know if these are connected or not. Genevieve says that a creditor came to the door and gave her kind of a hard time. Gave Genevieve kind of a hard time the other day, saying, are you so? And so I'm trying not to use.

[Luke Burbank]

This one creditor that sounds like somebody was trying to serve a subpoena or something. Like a process server.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know if it was a process server. You know how sometimes you get a phone call from somebody at a phone bank, and they're just like, I'm trying to reach so and so. And you're like, they don't live here. And you're like. And they automatically assume that you're lying because they're trying.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. I've never heard of a collection agency coming to your house, but I would be.

[Andrew Walsh]

I would. Said it was a. It was like a collection agency. That's what she said.

[Luke Burbank]

Wow, that's next level. I'd never heard of it in. And I've had some collection agencies after me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Never heard of them actually physically arriving at your house. That's pretty wild.

[Andrew Walsh]

Genevieve said that. And that the person kind of didn't believe her and kept, like. He was, like, kind of pushy about it. I think with that job, you get probably lied to a lot or something. And I don't know if it was a repo situation, but they're like, are you so and so. Genevieve was like, no. And she's like, no, no, no. We own this house. But this person kept asking questions, and it sounds like a pretty pushy way because they thought they were being scammed or needed to make sure that they weren't being lied to and that Genevieve wasn't this person. And I was thinking about it just last night. All of this happened over the course of the past six months or so. But then last night, I was thinking, like, I wonder if things were maybe a little bit dormant because she hadn't lived here for a while. But then maybe just by the very nature of me saying, hey, you should try to track down this money that you're getting mail suddenly, like, things are being responded to. It might have. It might have awoken a sleeping debt giant or something. And now, I mean, to have literally people coming to the door saying, I'm looking for you. That's crazy, right?

[Luke Burbank]

I have never. I mean, I famously, I had to pay before I bought my first house, I had to pay. I'm talking thousands of dollars in parking tickets that had gone to collections. Like, so I've been in. I've been pretty far into. In arrears to, you know, to some of those collection agencies. And yeah, I'd never. It never crossed over to like a person physically arriving at my door. That's. That's wild.

[Andrew Walsh]

Or is that you were home for.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I guess so. I guess, I guess so. But yeah, that's. That's not. Sucks for Genevieve too. Like, also, that's one of those moments where it's like, I would be like, on the one hand, I'd be like, well, I can show you my id so, you know, I'm not this person. But on the other hand, I'm like, I don't need to show you my I.D.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, it's like, I didn't do anything. Also, I mean, again, I don't even know what the exact nature of this person being at the house was, but I have a pretty low opinion of the whole industry of buying debt and then trying to strong arm the people who owe the debt. You know, that's, I think, a pretty predatory kind of level of this industry as well. Well, so it's like, on the one hand, I could be like, well, I could prove to you pretty quickly that I'm not the person that you're looking for. But on the other hand, why do I need to, like, get out, get off my porch? You know, it's kind of how I would feel.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do you feel differently if you call them a skip tracer, though? I love that phrase. A skip tracer. Isn't that. Are you here to.

[Luke Burbank]

Are you here to bone jack me?

[Andrew Walsh]

Isn't that the old timey name for like somebody like a private. I like a basically like a repo person was a skip tracer tracer. Because you're looking for.

[Luke Burbank]

Is that From Johnny Dalton $. Johnny $. I think that's expense report investigator.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know if I got it from. From yours truly, Johnny Dollar, the man with the action packed expense report. Or. Or I think it's just used in like a lot of those kind of that era kind of noir, because, you know, private eyes. Private eye. What does it say, like a private eye?

[Luke Burbank]

It says a skip tracer is a professional investigator who finds people who are hard to locate often because they've skipped town to avoid debts. Yeah, that's great.

[Andrew Walsh]

See, I thought that was. You call him a skip tracer and suddenly you're like, oh, that's not so bad.

[Luke Burbank]

No, I mean, I would honestly, like, I would want to be a skip tracer. That sounds pretty exciting. Pretty exotic.

[Andrew Walsh]

All right, let's get out of here.

[Luke Burbank]

All right. Yeah, let's go ahead and call it good for today. But guess what? We're going to be right back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio. I think I'm going to be pretty torqued up tomorrow.

[Andrew Walsh]

About the football game. I was just thinking that.

[Luke Burbank]

Not trying to. Not trying to make this a football podcast. Not trying to make anyone have the worst day at their job, but I haven't quite decided what my plan. I mean, the likely plan is I will watch the game by myself like a freaky pacing monkey tomorrow here.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's what I want to do.

[Luke Burbank]

It's kind of the. I'm not going to say it's the season because the Seahawks will still make the playoffs if they lose, but it's a pretty big kind of fork in the road as to if we're seen as one of the dominant teams in the league or if we are kind of an also ran. So it's. And there's a lot of plot lines about old Sam Darnold and the. And the Rams, et cetera. So I'm already starting. I'm feeling my anxiety level already build.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm so glad this game is on a day that I can watch it. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Right.

[Andrew Walsh]

Which is awesome. So I'm really looking forward to it. But also, Thursday Night Football is cursed, and it's just something that Thursday Night Football always just scares the hell out of me.

[Luke Burbank]

Me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Injuries on.

[Luke Burbank]

Were we watching Thursday Night Football at Buckley's when. When Russell got hurt and Gino had that fumble or whatever?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's a good question. I think that was either Monday night or Thursday night.

[Luke Burbank]

Definitely a week night.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was definitely a week night. But I also think of that one in Arizona when you weren't. You and I were at a PRPD conference, and we. We got some people we posted up at a sports bar. I want to say. Was that Phoenix maybe? No. Maybe Minnesota. I. I don't know.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, Minnesota and every. Like the Bulldog in. In Minnesota. Didn't Stu come out?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I think you're thinking. I don't think Stu was. When Ders showed up and his boss was giving him a hard time because he skipped out on a. On a meet and greet cocktail of the public radio printed to skip trace him. And I was like, come on, lighten up. But that was when Sherm got injured, and I can't. It was just like a disaster. I don't know, I just think that Thursday Night Football, generally speaking, is just a cause.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I'm knocking on wood because maybe this can be a new. Maybe this can be a new chapter for Thursday Night Football and our beloved Seahawks. So, anyway, well, that all. I'm sure that'll come up again tomorrow. In the meantime, thanks for listening, folks. Have a great Wednesday. Hope you're doing okay, weather wise, wherever you are, and that you haven't forgotten. No mountain too tall or.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good luck to all. Thank you.

[Luke Burbank]

Really great. That was a great adjustment.

[Andrew Walsh]

Power out.