#4628 I'll Have A Bluesky Christmas Without You

Summary

Podcast Summary: TBTL #4628 – "I'll Have A Bluesky Christmas Without You"

Date: December 26, 2025
Hosts: Luke Burbank & Andrew Walsh

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on Andrew’s curious adventure into the world of joke theft on the ascendant social network Bluesky. The hosts discuss internet etiquette, joke attribution, blocking culture, and their misadventures both online and offline. The conversation is funny, rambling, and self-deprecating, in classic TBTL style, but also ponders the nuances of internet behavior, originality, and changing generational norms. The episode also features moments of self-reflection, personal regret, and gratitude to donors.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Printer Banter & Lighthearted Open [00:00–01:00]

• The show opens with an extended comedic sketch about printer ink, tech glitches, and the futility of office technology.
• Tone: Playful, absurd, and sets the loose, silly mood for the episode.

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2. The Bluesky Joke Mystery: Setting the Scene [03:00–10:00]

• Andrew shares his nervousness about telling a story involving Bluesky, the alternative social platform to Twitter, and how his curation style changed once he moved to Bluesky.
• Luke and Andrew riff on how social media content strategies vary by platform and how “following” patterns have changed.

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3. Joke Ownership, Attribution, & Viral Dopamine [10:00–13:00]

• Andrew recounts a recent incident: he posted a joke (a funny sign at the airport) which coincidentally, Luke had also posted, leading to some innocent “joke overlap.”
  • Andrew: "You did just see the same [sign], and so my point…is obviously, I don't think that you were trying to steal my joke, but…you did see a joke and end up reposting it…innocently done." [08:55]
• The conversation sets the context for discussing how easy it is for jokes and ideas to cross-pollinate on social media without malice.

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4. Investigating the “Jingle Horse” Joke [10:45–22:37]

• Andrew sees a post (“giddy up, jingle horse, pick up your feet…sounds like something my homophobic gym teacher would have screamed at me”) on Bluesky from a mid-tier account he follows.
• He immediately recognizes the joke from a year prior, posted by a different Twitter (X) account.
• Andrew Googles and finds the original, then screenshots it and reaches out to the Bluesky poster to ask if they're the same person, thinking maybe it’s a recycled joke from their own older account.
  • Andrew: "Are you the same person who posted this a year ago by any chance?" [13:19]
• Andrew isn’t confrontational but genuinely curious about possible joke recycling, following their prior talk about accidental joke overlap.

Notable Quote:

Andrew: "I was giving him the benefit of the doubt…but then I was just like, oh no, you're just sleazy. You're just taking this joke and when somebody asks you about it, you just block them." [22:15]

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5. The Blocking & The Ethics of Internet Content [19:37–30:27]

• Andrew is surprised to discover that, rather than responding, the account has blocked him.
• He uses alternate accounts to view the public posts, noting a pattern: the account reposts viral photos and jokes, often without attribution, but is not wildly successful at viral engagement (“very mid-level thievery”).
• The hosts debate what constitutes unethical behavior in meme/joke culture versus benign repetition.
• Both are mystified and slightly stung that such a non-confrontational heads-up resulted in an immediate block.
  • Luke: “It feels so Astroturf. So incredibly [inauthentic].”
  • Andrew: “I don’t think I’ve ever been blocked before…it just seems so…shady.” [21:59]

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6. Generational Perspectives on Blocking & Online Conflict [25:23–29:35]

• Luke theorizes blocking is more routine for younger internet users, while for him and Andrew it feels extreme or alienating, especially over such a low-stakes issue.
  • Luke: “I don’t think I’ve ever blocked anyone in my life. I don’t know if I know how to do it.” [25:23]
• Andrew ponders whether reposting memes/jokes is now simply accepted—are they being old-fashioned about internet originality?
  • Andrew: “Maybe this is just what you call shitposting…” [28:06]
• Both try to wrap their heads around shifting online etiquette and standards, realizing they might be out of step with meme culture.

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7. Online Mystery, Power Dynamics & Conclusions [31:48–35:55]

• Andrew reflects that he’s less upset and more confused by the incident; the experience raises bigger questions about how internet culture is evolving and whether he understands it anymore.
• Luke likens the feeling to someone flipping you off on the road for a perceived misdeed you didn’t even realize you committed.

Notable Exchange:

Andrew: “…It’s almost like more—it's less of an online fight I got into and more of, like, just a mystery. And the mystery is, do I understand the Internet?” [31:48]

Luke: “It’s like when you didn’t even realize that your driving was annoying someone else and they pull around you and they flip you off…” [31:48]

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8. Personal Regrets & Vulnerable Moments [38:23–43:40]

• The discussion segues into tales of regretted childhood behavior.
• Andrew shares a story about impulsively squashing a caterpillar in front of classmates—an act he’s regretted for 40 years.
  • Andrew: “It’s the reason I don’t trust myself… one of the reasons I’m scared of heights is …how do I know I’m not going to have another woolly bear moment and just throw myself off. Like, where did that come from?” [40:51]
• Luke admits to tricking a neurodivergent peer into almost eating a real worm, only to end up eating several himself—a formative memory of shame.

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9. Donor Thanks & Gratitude Segment [43:48–50:04]

• TBTL thanks a new batch of donors with their signature warmth and humor, riffing on donor names and geography.
• This segment is full of inside jokes about recurring listeners and references to their longstanding community.

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10. Housekeeping, Upcoming Shows & Sign-Off [50:05–51:15]

• Andrew plugs an upcoming episode with Hannah Brooks Olson for a “top five cleaning products” list.
• Luke closes the episode with the classic sign-off: “No mountain too tall… and good luck to all!” [51:15]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the pointlessness of online thievery:
  Andrew: “It’s very mid-level thievery…it’s kind of just blowing my mind… the blocking of me shocked me.” [22:15]
• On changing internet mores:
  Luke: “Maybe there’s just a whole Internet world that you and I, my friend, are not hip to.” [29:08]
• On youthful cruelty and self-forgiveness:
  Andrew: “It’s the reason I don’t trust myself… it stuck with me so much. It’s such an ugly memory, and it was crazy.” [40:51]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Printer sketch & intro: 00:00–01:00
• Bluesky/Internet context: 03:00–10:00
• Joke overlap & attribution: 10:45–13:00
• Jingle Horse joke investigation: 13:14–22:37
• Blocking & internet conduct: 19:37–30:27
• Generational discussion of blocking: 25:23–29:35
• Concluding the mystery: 31:48–35:55
• Personal regrets (caterpillars + worms): 38:23–43:40
• Donor thanks: 43:48–50:04
• Housekeeping & sign-off: 50:05–51:15

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Episode Tone & Style

• Language & Tone: Casual, self-deprecating, tangential, introspective, and empathetic. The hosts maintain their signature banter, balancing irony and earnestness.
• Audience Experience: Even without having listened, the audience will appreciate the hosts’ transparency, wry humor, and the thoughtful (if meandering) exploration of modern internet etiquette and self identity.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode embodies TBTL’s unique blend of whimsy, vulnerability, cultural observation, and deep friendship. What starts as a minor internet scuffle becomes a rich exploration of attribution, memory, internet norms, regret, and grace, leaving listeners amused, thoughtful, and reassured that everyone is still figuring things out—one post, one mistake, or one worm at a time.

Transcript

[Unidentified Person 1]

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[Andrew Walsh]

Oh.

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I only need it in black and white. I can't print in black and white without blue ink.

[Andrew Walsh]

Why?

[Unidentified Person 1]

You can order an ink cartridge through me if you like. Hello, I'd like to buy a blue ink cartridge for my printer, please. You can't actually get blue cartridges. Oh. You need traditional colours like cyan, magenta, egg yolk and flaube. Which one of those is the most blue? Cyan is blue. So that one then. Thanks for the ink. You're welcome. Now, can you print out this form? What does that sound mean? I don't recognise this computer. This is the only computer you've ever been connected to. Mother, I'm r. Father reinstalled. Great to meet you in this new computer. Could you now print out this form? Why are you flashing? There's a Wi Fi issue. My computer says the WiFi is fine. Please, can you just print the form? Sure. Printing one of 73. It's a two page form. What if I printed them in landscape? No, diagonal portrait. We'll send me the form then. I already did. There's no paper. I'm looking at the paper. Well, I can't feel it. Okay, well, how about this? Printing one of two. Oh, God. Thank you so much. I'm out of ink again.

[Andrew Walsh]

TBTL. Guess what day it is. Guess what day it is. It's Friday. Friday. Gotta get down on Friday. Everybody's looking forward to the weekend. Everywhere you go, they have different names for different fish. Every. Every single place you go. I mean, even if you go from. From New York to Florida, fish has 25 different names. And so when you get to France, by the time you get to France, it has a different name on time.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Cheese fish. They call it cheese fish in France.

[Luke Burbank]

Why they call it cheese fish? I don't know.

[Andrew Walsh]

It' you, like, are definitely.

[Luke Burbank]

You're the real thing that a lot of people say. So do you think if you weren't. I mean, if you were less fake, do you think you would be. Or you could. Or you have a desire to.

[Andrew Walsh]

I have a beta sequence I've been working on. Would you like to see it? If there's a better use for the Internet, I haven't found it.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, all right. Hello, good morning and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Oh, yeah. My name's Luke Burbank and I am your host.

[Andrew Walsh]

You want showmanship?

[Luke Burbank]

You got it. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio, perched high above the mighty Columbia, where we've got another mixed weather bag as we have made it to episode 4628 in a collector story.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let the fun begin.

[Luke Burbank]

Collector story. I meant collector series. But we do have a story today.

[Andrew Walsh]

From my point of view, it's a beautiful story.

[Luke Burbank]

I love your story. Story of something that happened on the Internet. Welcome to the Internet to my dear friend, the longest running cobro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Are you sure that's what they said on Ass Jeeves? Of course. I'm talking about Andrew Walsh and he's right over there and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning, Luke. I'm unusually nervous because for the past 12 to 15 hours I've been thinking about telling you a story about something that I guess happened, although even happened seems like too strong of a word.

[Luke Burbank]

While we were chatting, I think yesterday you said, oh, I've got something that we should talk about.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And I wanted to tell you this, but it's like I really don't. I feel like I always do this. I don't know if it's a good story or not. So this we could just dispatch with this in five minutes or it could be something that takes up the rest of our lives. But it's a little bit of an Internet Internet mystery and it's just. It's so low stakes, it doesn't matter at all. But I will launch into it, please. With a little story about the. As. What do you. What did you call it for the longest time, the ascendant website or social media site? Blue Sky.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, the ascendant social media platform, Blue.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sky, which of course is kind of exactly like Twitter. But a lot of people left Twitter when it got really toxic over there for various reasons. Right. We all know what Blue sky is. And I've been on Blue sky for a long time. And so because of that, the people that I follow on Blue sky is a little bit different than it was on Twitter. I think on Twitter, I followed a lot more people who were maybe well known or at least well known in Twitter circles. And because the pickings on Blue sky were thinner for a while, because not everybody was on there. I think I just got in the habit of if somebody posted something that made me laugh, I would just follow them. And so it means.

[Luke Burbank]

Right, you were trying to build up your, I guess, sort of roster of people you were following.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And I still do that that's usual social media behavior, I guess. But maybe I was just being a little less pickier. I just follow people that I don't have context for maybe is a better way of putting that, you know. And so anyway, I have all these, these accounts and yesterday I saw that one of these. One of these accounts I follow who seems to be a guy. It does not seem to be like a. What would you call the accounts that purposely sort of aggregate. It's not like an aggregate account. I used to follow these things on Instagram where it was very clear that the jokes you're reading are not from the person posting them. It's an account that its whole job is to scrape things funny from the Internet and reprin it to you and when possible, usually like a tribute to the original poster wherever it came. Right.

[Luke Burbank]

But ideally, although, like there was this guy that who's called F. Jerry, except the real word. And his whole thing was he's built this incredible. It's at 17 million followers on Instagram. It's a multi platform entertainment brand that curates hilarious relatable content that's impossible not to share. But part of the knock on them was, yeah, and a lot of times you're cropping out the information about the people who originally created the stuff.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was, I remember that struck me.

[Luke Burbank]

As a very cynical kind of way of going and scraping good entertaining content, but then not always properly crediting the people who actually made the content and then profiting very handsomely yourself as this Jerry guy or I remember, company.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, and that was way back in the day. Right. Because I think a lot of people circled around him and like kind of publicly shamed him. Is that still a going concern?

[Luke Burbank]

It looks like. Let's see. The primary fjerry controversy centered on the systemic uncredited use and monetization of content, largely jokes and memes created by comedians and other social media users. That led to a significant public backlash, multiple lawsuits and a company policy change in 2019. So I guess they allegedly maybe changed their policies and they're not doing that so much now.

[Andrew Walsh]

But there were people that I would follow on Instagram. I feel like there were like accounts that I would follow and their whole thing was presenting funny things that they saw online. But it was very clear that that's what it was and they were attributing it. So anyway, the account I'm talking about on Blue sky is not like that. It just seems to be a fella. I'm not going to use the actual handle now. We can talk later. About whether or not we want to actually give the handle out. But I will read you the description of this person. It's a photo of a good looking guy posing with a pug dog. You know, seems like a personal account. He's got about just under 6,000 followers, 5,900 followers. So that's. I would call that kind of mid range. I don't know how many. I think I have about one. I think I have 1.3 or something.

[Luke Burbank]

So allegedly I have 1.5 on there, but I don't know what that means.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh my God.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I don't have any viral blueskis.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yet like you do. Well, that's one of the reasons I want to talk to you about this is that this is going to kind of come back to that. Just as a quick reminder to what you're referring to is just I think Monday on the show. Earlier this week on the show, I was going through your bluesky account and realized that you literally posted the same joke that I had posted. A photo of. A sign that said do not lean. And then it had this really, really cool looking.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm starting a new media company called.

[Andrew Walsh]

F Burby where's right.

[Luke Burbank]

I just take your content and repost.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean and listen, I know you well enough. So literally I took a photo of a sign at an airport that was funny. I made a joke about it, I posted it and coincidentally did go kind of viral. I get, you know, I usually get like 20 likes on something. This got like, it got retweeted by a famous New Yorker writer, Emily Nussbaum. And then after that a bunch of people started liking it. And so it was like that 24, 48 hour period where, you know, you post and you're just constantly getting notifications and very little bit of a phone fun dopamine thing. I was shocked the other day to see that you posted almost the same exact joke with almost the same exact photo. Although you had taken the photo yourself and posted on Blue Sky. There is no doubt in my mind that you did not remember that I posted that joke. I have thought about it since I remember when it was going viral. I texted it to you and Chris because I was on the airplane and I made a joke. I took a screen cap of it. I said, you guys, I took off from Seattle as a regular person, but I'm landing in Ohio as a, as a, as a lauded humorist or something.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, oh wow, I vaguely remember that. I don't think I clicked on the link.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, it wasn't A link. It was a screen cap. So you definitely saw it.

[Luke Burbank]

If you saw it at some point.

[Andrew Walsh]

So you saw it. But, but I know you well enough. You're not somebody who is going to be trying to draft off of my.

[Luke Burbank]

Jokes any very surprising move from me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And it would be embarrassing for you to do you know what I mean? Like it was truly something that probably lodged in the corner of your brain. And also you did just see the same. And so my point of all of this is obviously I don't think that you were trying to steal my joke, but obviously you did see a joke and end up reposting it. And I think it was innocently done. I know it was innocently done. So that is context for all of this. You can see where I'm sort of going with this. So I'm following this account and this sort of mid range account that has, you know, a decent amount of followers, but not, not tons. I'll read the description of this person's bio. Singer, singer, song screamer, gay homosexual, public figure, fourth thing. So sort of a cheeky like little bio of something else. And again, a very good looking guy holding a pug in the, in his, in his bio. And just somebody that I just casually follow who every now and then will post something funny. I just never even, I can't explain it. Every now and then something by him will pop up in my feed. And I don't really think about it too much. You know, just kind of a pleasant, fine, casual follow. Yesterday he posted something that was very funny and I was actually, I had almost a pandemicy moment yesterday where I got home from the grocery store. I parked in the driveway, but instead of getting out of my car right away, I just pulled out my phone and started scrolling. I don't know why. It was raining really hard. I was sitting in my car and I was just like listening to the rain. And I'm scrolling and I see that he posted something. And it was just like within minutes I saw it. And it's a funny joke. It's something like, quote, giddy up, jingle horse, pick up your feet. Sounds like something my homophobic gym teacher would have screamed at me. And I laughed.

[Luke Burbank]

That's a good tweet.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's a great tweet, A great post. Then I'm like, but wait a second, I know that joke. Like I think that's funny, but I think I might have even. I know that I saw that around this time last year and like you.

[Luke Burbank]

Don'T think you wrote it Though.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, saw it. Not my joke. Definitely not my joke. I just was like, oh, that's a good.

[Luke Burbank]

Then I won't be reposting it.

[Andrew Walsh]

And then I was like, but wait, I swear that I know I've seen that before because I remember laughing at this before. So I quickly just Google it. I just Google the text of that joke.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I see a couple of things pop up. And it did. I don't know where I saw it originally, but I saw in my Google yesterday on my phone sitting in my car in the rain that it was posted to Twitter by somebody with a very different handle. In fact, a dirty handle that I will not repeat here, but one of those, like, sort of one of those, like kind of edgy humor account that has kind of just a dirty sounding Twitter handle name. Right. But there it is. That exact joke with just maybe one or two very small words changed. Posted a year earlier. In fact, I took a screen cap of it. I saw that it was on Twitter and I also. Or X or whatever it's called now, but I also saw that it made the rounds on Reddit as a screen grab. So I'm starting to see, like, whoever posted this with this dirty handle on X, it kind of got, you know, caught up in whatever kind of viral whirlwind and people were even taking pictures of it and sharing it on. On Reddit. And so I take a screen cap of this Reddit post that has a screen cap of the X tweet or whatever you want to call it. I feel like I'm really getting in the weeds here and this might have been a mistake. Genevieve was kind of surprised that I cared this much at this point. I maybe because our conversation just a couple of days earlier about you're sensitive.

[Luke Burbank]

To joke thieving since it just happened to you.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm not. I would actually reclassify that as I am, I think, not sensitive to it, but very forgiving towards it because I know for a fact you're not getting any thrill from like, re taking a joke that I put. Like, I. It just goes against everything you would want. It would be embarrassing for you, you know, which is why I keep bringing it up, because I'm really embarrassing.

[Luke Burbank]

In other words, so you think this guy might have done this without even knowing it?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, because it's a good joke and it was a year ago. And so I take a screen cap of it and I'm thinking, I don't know if this is inappropriate, but I'm also very much not doing it in like an aggro way.

[Luke Burbank]

No, you're not trying to shame them. You're trying to be like, hey, you might not know this, but this has been making the rounds.

[Andrew Walsh]

Just like, heads up kind of thing, sort of. Well, what I write is because people do. When people moved over from Twitter over to Blue sky, some of them changed their handles, you know, And I really didn't know if this person was the same person who originally tweeted it on X a year ago. Right. And then maybe was just recycling their own joke, which people do. I mean, I would never do that, but I was like, you know, maybe just recycled his own joke from a year ago on a different platform. There's no shame in that. So here's what I wrote. I wrote, are you the same person who posted this a year ago, by any chance? Question mark? And I screen capped the original tweet as it appeared as a screen cap on Reddit. Right? And it's clearly says one year ago. You know, you can see it's kind of timestamp. So I wrote, are you the same person who posted this a year ago, by any chance? And there was no response. And again, I saw this almost immediately after he posted it. So I was sort of, like, kind of curious, and so I'm kind of refreshing. I'm not getting any response. And I'm also sort of looking at how many people are liking this. And I'm noticing, okay, well, seven people liked it. Then, like, 14 people liked it.

[Luke Burbank]

That's some more context. So it's. This Blue sky post was not one of those runaway hits where there was thousands and thousands of likes and retweets.

[Andrew Walsh]

To where you could even know. I had just seen it right as he posted it, so it was, like, too fresh. So I'm like, I'm watching to see what it's going to do because I really think it's a. It's a funny joke. And I'm watching to see what's gonna do. And I'm watching to see if anybody's gonna react to my screen cap or whatever. But again, I want to make it clear I'm not super upset or anything or looking for a fight or trying to. Gotcha. I'm, yeah, honestly thinking this might be him just with a different snarky name on another platform kind of doing his greatest. His tweetest hits, as our friend Ders used to say. Or maybe he did accident. And I'm really even thinking maybe it just lodged in his brain and he accidentally kind of stole a joke. And I'm not getting any response, which is fine, but I do get a little bit. I'm like, I wonder what else is on his feed. Now for the first time, I'm sort of paying attention to his feed and I'm looking and there are other things that are not like jokes, theft, but basically taking popular photos that like. There was another recent post was a photo of a misprint on a store shelf that is supposed to say Santa cookies, but it says Satan Cookies. And he took that photo and reposted it and wrote, this was the name of my high school band or something. Satan Cookies. It's just like a mild joke, but I kind of do that thing on my phone where you can kind of image search. I don't know if you have that on your phone. Just hit a button and circle what you.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm sure I do, but I don't know what that button.

[Andrew Walsh]

Pretty slick, as my dad would say. I'm obsessed with it. Like when somebody sends me a. A photo of a celebrity and I don't quite get the joke, I can just sort of like kind of circle it on my phone and say, look this up, Internet. It'll tell me, oh, yes, this is Sabrina Carpenter or somebody famous. I'm like, that's why I don't recognize it because I live in a hole. So anyway, so I. I'm kind of like looking at some of the photos on his timeline that he's made jokes about. And most of them are. It's not like he was in a store and he saw that misprint the way you and I were in the airport and that sign of the guy leaning and we both kind of went to the same humorous place with it. He's clearly like going online and taking photos that have already sort of made the rounds or kind of making the rounds.

[Luke Burbank]

That's like the result of an Internet search that's like funny messed up photos or like funny typo or funny typos or whatever. Just kind of like. Like that sounds like a search for something that you could then farm into content on your thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

And none of them are like. And it's not an account that's getting tons of hits. Like a post like that maybe has fake or I think maybe that one had 30 or something, you know, so it's not like I'm like, oh man, I found this account that's just stealing jokes and raking in the karma or whatever, you know. And again, my opinion is not strong at this point. I'm just curious about it. And Genevieve catches me I'm like, cause I'm asking questions into my Google phone instead of like typing it. And like Genevieve comes downstairs and laughs at me. She's like, why is your phone telling you about the birth of Christ or something? Because it was like some sort of like holiday related search or something. And anyway, I'm kind of like, well, this isn't thievery, but it's just sort of interesting. Like you would sort of assume that these are his photos. He would have seen this Satan's cookies thing and then took a photo of it, made a joke about it. But no, you're going online and finding photos and making your own jokes about it. Kind of interesting. I'm not really upset about it. Doesn't really matter. I put down my phone, Genevieve and I record a podcast. Let's say about two hours go by. And then after the show I'm doing my post in our podcast. And then I'm like, oh, whatever happened with that thing? Now it's been like two hours. I'm like, has he responded? And I'm honestly, I don't know what I'm expecting, but I think if I'm expecting anything, I'm expecting him to have either have just deleted the tweet altogether or writing, oh, yeah, that's me. That was my handle on X. I have a different name over here. Or possibly say, whoa. Didn't realize I was, you know, that that had stuck in my brain and that I was joke stealing. I may be something like that because again, what I wrote wasn't like, bro, you stole this joke. You know, I was like, is this the same person? Are you the same person who posted this a year ago by any chance? What I find out is that I am blocked. He has blocked me. And by blocking me, your comment is blocked. He has blocked my comment from his followers. And now I'm like, has he blocked Luke Burbank or has he blocked? And so all yesterday I was like, oh. I'm like, I can't go back and find this guy now because I'm blocked. But then I remembered, oh no, I have two other accounts. Like, I have tbtl, I have Garbage Anxiety, Burner, Blueskis. They're not burners or TBTL account. And so he wouldn't. If I log in on TBTL or my Andrew's Garbage Anxiety, Blue Sky, I can look. And so I kind of. That's why I kind of got some of the details of his bio and stuff for you, because I can see it. And I actually, I'm wondering, I'm logged in as me right now. Have you been able to find this guy just by searching for the.

[Luke Burbank]

I haven't been searching for it. Could you. I guess you don't want to share his login. Do you want to just post it in the Riverside chat or something?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, here, I'm now logged. Let's see. I'm now logged in as tbtl, so I should be able to see this. And I don't know if you want me to give. Is it weird to give out? Because I'm not trying to send listeners to bug this guy or anything.

[Luke Burbank]

No, why don't you just. Can you just. Just either text me or message me in the chat of what I'm looking for and then I'll just go look for this person's feed.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, what I have is it'd be easier for me just to find it myself on the TBTL account, which is not blocked by him. And so I am on there right now. I can probably send this to you if you also need eyes on it. But that particular tweet, that particular joke about giddyup, Jingle horse only has 30 likes and it's been reposted eight times. But in searching for it today, because I couldn't remember his handle, I just searched like, giddyup, Jingle Horse. He reposted that same stolen joke one month ago. He's just like stealing this joke, reposting it a couple of times in the same month. And also I guess his account is just trying to go viral. Even though I'm looking like none of them have. Like he's got. What I'm hearing is moderate. He's got a pinned tweet that seems like. So people pin their most popular tweets. It's got almost 700 likes, which is pretty good. But again, that's not Internet famous. You know what I mean? It's not that great. So it's very mid level thievery. It's just, it's kind of just blowing my mind. And also, I gotta say, I don't care that much. But the blocking of me shocked me like it. I don't know why. Like, first of all, I don't think I've ever been blocked before. I'm sending you a link to the bio, by the way, via text. You can get that on your phone. But there was something about being blocked. I was like, what the f. And also it seems so I don't. Duplicitous is maybe the wrong word, but seems so shady. Basically, like he doesn't want to address it he doesn't want to delete his post. That is obvious thievery. It's like it went from me, I really think I was giving him the benefit of the doubt without trying to. I wasn't straining myself to, but then I was just like, oh no, you're just sleazy. You're just taking this joke and when somebody asks you about it, you just block them so that nobody knows that you stole this joke and posted it to your timeline twice in an attempt to go viral. In fact, today when I was searching for his, I see that other people have done the same exact thing with that same exact joke. If you search Jingle Horse on Blueski, you see that other people were stealing that joke as well and just like posting it as if it's their own because it's a funny joke. But I just can't believe that this mid level person blocked me in order to protect their ongoing mid level joke thievery.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean that's obviously very annoying and kind of sus of them. Also just now I'm looking at all these photos that it's so clear that what they of what this person is doing is in an attempt to get engagement, it's to just go on the Internet and find photos. Some of them presumably they would appear to be from, I don't know, 25 years ago. There's this one, it's obviously in a European country because of the license plates and it looks like it had to be Maybe in the 90s, maybe early.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's real potato quality, grainy, real kind.

[Luke Burbank]

Of blurry old photograph. Looks like maybe Eastern Europe or something. Or maybe it's England. It's somewhere because there's English writing on the, on the truck. But you have basically like a pallet truck that is driving that's got tons of wood pallets stacked on it and then behind it another truck that has a sign on the back of it that says pallets wanted. So you have like a truck that's bursting with pallets and then another truck that appears to want pallets. Now by the way, I'm sure the real story on this photo is they work for the same company, they get pallets. It just happens that the one that's trailing doesn't have any pallets on it. But this guy's post is shit's about to get real because this photo of this empty truck that says pallet wanted and then a truck that's bursting with pallets. But like he wasn't driving around fricking Liverpool in 97 and saw this and took a picture of it. He's just going on the Internet and trying to find sort of funny, slightly ironic or incongruous photos and then trying to write a caption for, for like this seems like something that if you asked AI, how do I go viral?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, it would like.

[Luke Burbank]

It feels so Astroturf.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

So incredibly. And yeah. And then the fact that I also wonder if maybe if age is a factor. And let me explain why this person appears to be much younger than us. Maybe somebody in their 20s maybe. Or just maybe somebody in their 30s who's taken really good care of themselves.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I, if it's him, that photo might not be real.

[Luke Burbank]

Fair point.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, honestly, I'm looking at things, I was, I was struck as like, man, he's a good looking guy. Right?

[Luke Burbank]

Sure, sure.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's probably not even him.

[Luke Burbank]

That's possible.

[Andrew Walsh]

And by the way, I just did that Google image search thing on my phone of this pallet truck photo and it was posted to Twitter or X in 2021 and somebody wrote, thrilling chase underway here, you know, so, yeah, it's.

[Luke Burbank]

Probably on his far.

[Andrew Walsh]

He's. He's not. Yeah, I mean it's a common photo and I'm not even. I don't have any issue with that, by the way. I don't think I would see this and think, oh, this guy was in England and took this photo. It came across somebody's transom, they make a little joke about it and post it. I think that's Internet culture. But when I take all of this together, I'm just like, what is this person doing? In fact, I'm going to do a reverse image search on his profile pic.

[Luke Burbank]

There you go. What do we think? Well, the thing I was going to say about the generations is I feel like there is the younger generation. I hear them talking constantly about blocking each other. Like it's a thing that happens if you go on a date with someone. Like you meet someone on one of the apps and then you. There's millions of stories on like TikTok of somebody will be like, yeah, I went on this date and it went great. And then like they said, okay, well do you want to go on a date tomorrow night? I was like, absolutely. And then I, by the time I get home, they've blocked me on everything. Like, I don't think I've ever blocked anyone in my life. I don't know if I know how to do it. Which will be not surprising for the listeners to hear. But I feel like the younger generation. It's like the idea of blocking someone is just second nature to a lot of folks. Even though to you and I, that's not defending this guy or saying that like it's not a big deal because it is obviously shady. It's like instead of taking accountability for this or just taking it down or even just ignoring your comment, just not responding to it and continuing on his merry way, instead he's done this thing, this Andrew Walsh Walsh erasure. And then also. Yeah, blocking you like you're. Like you're somehow the problem when he's just kind of. And again, you know what kills me about it? It's not even working.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that's the thing that I'm surprised about. Like, if it had like a million likes or any of these. Had a million. And by the way, this is really him. Because when I reverse image search his profile pic, I find his threads profile. And this has a lot more photos of. It looks like him and his partner and child maybe. And again, it looks like. I mean, the thing about it is he looks like a nice little guy living his best life. Looks like he's got a relatively newborn baby this summer or something. You know what I mean? So I'm not looking. That's why I'm really actually glad now we have not called this person out. I don't think it's a. I don't think it's a terrible person. I'm just really shocked by that. That somebody who seems like kind of a normal, nice person. Right. Well, because they wouldn't just be like, oh, dang, yeah, you're right. I should take that down instead. Like, oh, no, I'm just gonna block you and continue to do this. This.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, because his handle on blue ski anyway indicates what his day job is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right.

[Luke Burbank]

And it's like a normal person day job. That's the other thing. It's like, it just seems like it's this weirdly kind of. It's a weirdly thirsty attempt at. At online attention for somebody who doesn't seem like they're actually trying to be like, all of their eggs are not in the basket of becoming an influencer. It's like their eggs appear to be in the basket of, like, their day job and presumably their family and like, normal life things. And yet there seems like they're doing too much when it comes to trying to get traction on there and then blocking somebody who points out that, oh, this joke has been making the rounds. It's just a weird. It's a weird behavior for Somebody who, if you just showed me that account and I looked at their bio, I'd say, oh, this is a person like you or me, Andrew, who just has a Blue sky account and likes to throw up their little musings.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I'm wondering, because I see that he's also included. Well, okay, now I'm maybe giving away too much information. If people feel like sleuthing, just like, don't, I guess. But, yeah, be nice about this. I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to dox anybody here, but I see that, like, he's included in some sort of a roundup or what do you call those starter packs or something called shitposting for pride. And I'm wondering if maybe I'm being quite serious here. Maybe I just don't understand where we are with Internet culture. Like, maybe this is what you call shitposting. You know, maybe, like, maybe there's not an expectation. And maybe he's not posting that, thinking, oh, I'm gonna get away with this. He's just like, yeah, this was a funny joke and I'm reposting it. I'm gonna repost it twice within a month and just see if I get interested.

[Luke Burbank]

That's also a weird thing to me. And then. And it does. Maybe. I always thought shitposting was just like, what J.D. vance does. Like, I thought shit posting was just, I don't know, posting things that you knew were gonna make everyone annoyed and mad, but you just kind of don't care. I guess it's. Maybe it's a broad thing, but that is weird. This. Because another thing, I would never post the same joke, like, two times within a month. Because my fear would be someone scrolling along in my. My timeline of my post and they see that I just made the same post three weeks apart, and they'd be like, oh, God, this is a little bit pathetic. You know what I mean? So, like. But maybe that's also not a thing that is seen as pathetic anymore. Maybe there's just a whole Internet world that you and I, my friend, are not. Not hip to. Not privy to.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, because again, like, I don't think there's. I mean, I'm looking at all the different types of photos that he posts and then comments on and makes a joke about. Like, I don't think there's any expectation you'd go through this and be like, man, this guy lives quite the life that he's taken all these photos, they're from clearly all over the world. They're clearly meme you know what I mean? That. That's the point of memes. I enjoy memes, Luke. And I say that as a young person. I enjoy memes. So, you know, the taking. Taking a photo that's been around for 10 years, making its way on the Internet and reposting it with your own little observation. As long as. As long as you're not stealing the text as well. That seems like Internet culture to me. And maybe. But maybe just stealing the text of a tweet that was funny on one platform and reposting it on your own platform, maybe that's just sort of part of that culture, too, and I'm taking the whole damn thing too seriously. But I will say the blocking pissed me off. And I guess I. Maybe that is a joke.

[Luke Burbank]

Are you going to start following this person as tbtl?

[Andrew Walsh]

I most certainly am not. I think I'm trying. I think TBTL only do we follow anybody does tbl.

[Luke Burbank]

Should I start following this person?

[Andrew Walsh]

TBTL only follows eight other accounts. Would you like to know who they are?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

One of them is you, Luke.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, good.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you had a bell. I'll let you do the bell.

[Luke Burbank]

We did.

[Andrew Walsh]

TBTL follows me. That's good. Just wanted to make sure I also got the bell follows John Sklaroff. Okay. Lynn Pham. Nice listener and super producer, sir.

[Luke Burbank]

Four. We're at four now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Chris Hayes of Ms. Now. Yes, exactly. The Seattle Mariners. Okay. Gene Bean, Baxter.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

And Wisconsin 106.

[Luke Burbank]

Now, that's a solid starter pack, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Solid starter pack. And I don't ever want to follow more than eight people. I'm guessing, maybe do we follow some of them so that we could tag ourselves in some of their content? I don't know why exactly we follow the Mariners, but anyway, that's who we follow. So I don't know. I don't know. That's the end of my story. That's why I wanted to say it doesn't have a huge power out, and I'm not fully scandalized. It's almost like more. It's less of an online fight I got into and more of like, just a mystery. And the mystery is, do I understand the Internet?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, you know what it's like? It's like when you didn't even realize that your driving was annoying someone else and they pull around you and they flip you off and you didn't like it wasn't one of those things they were beeping at you or you were jockeying for merging somewhere. Like, you have no idea that this one Way asymmetric beef has been going on until somebody, like, swerves around you and then flips you off, and you didn't even have the time to get mad about it. Like, so you have no anger. This is my experience. I have no anger in the situation because I didn't even realize that we were beefing. And so instead of being mad, like, if it would have been a thing where this person and I emerged in front of them, and then they're honking at me, and then I can see them in the rearview mirror, and they're doing stuff, and I'm doing stuff, and this emotional journey is happening for me instead. It's just like, I'm not even mad. I'm just like, oh, what? All right, that's weird.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. The only place where that analogy sort of breaks down or has a little bit of a caveat is I'm the one who initially zoomed around him. Some sort of contact. It's almost like maybe that analogy is perfect, except if I maybe merged in front of him, didn't cut him off, but merged in front of him and then gave a friendly wave. But in his point of view, that was not a friendly merge. That was more of a me cutting you off.

[Luke Burbank]

What if you followed him for blocks and chased him down because you had his hat? Is that a better analogy?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's a perfect analogy.

[Luke Burbank]

I do feel like you've been doing a lot of public service stuff lately, both the brick and mortar kind and also the virtual kind.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, this doesn't seem to be a service that I provided. This seems to be more service, because.

[Luke Burbank]

If he didn't know that, he was, like, you know, re. Like, basically stealing, or you could say borrowing or duplicating. That's the. That's the word. I'm, like, one of our favorite words here on tbtl. If he didn't know he was duplicating someone's investigation, then that could. Like, for instance, if I did that, like, if I posted something on Blueski and it was exactly someone else's joke. I mean, I know we've been talking endlessly about what I did to you, but let's just say it was not something you had posted, but it was something that was word for word what Mulaney had done or something like that, I would hope you would tell me, and that would be helpful to me, because then I would just take it down.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right, Right. Did you take down this joke that you stole from me yet?

[Luke Burbank]

By the way, I'm leaving it up because I think it's funnier that way.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I'm with you.

[Luke Burbank]

And again, if I took it down, that would look more suspicious.

[Andrew Walsh]

Now, Luke, I know I already said this and maybe I'm belabor it now, but I truly did. I think that maybe. I don't know if I would have responded to his original thing at all if you and I hadn't just a couple of days ago had this con. This conversation where it is very, very clear that you did not do this on purpose. That. Well, meaning people sometimes do this. You know what I mean? I'm sure I have done something similar. Probably not in maybe a post, but certainly in a. In a reference. I'm sure I've. I'm sure I can't think of an example and if I could, I would bring it up. But I'm sure that I've been in conversation in a party or social gathering where maybe I said something that would be more of a Luke thing that I've heard you say on the show a bunch. I mean, there's no doubt in my mind I've done that before. This shit just sort of happened. So I really do think that I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. But now I'm like, well, how many other people are you blocking? How many other people have noticed this and that your decision with somebody asking you this isn't to self examine or even just delete the tweet, which I think. I think was the highest. Yeah, what I thought was the highest probability. Well, let me just delete this and then I'll have this sort of hanging chad of a comment that isn't attached to anything anymore. Hanging chads, that's another does that. You know, I'm young.

[Luke Burbank]

That was the name of my surfer group that I was in San Diego 90s. The hanging chad.

[Andrew Walsh]

Also I will say, I mean, I'm.

[Luke Burbank]

Sure that I should. Blue sky.

[Andrew Walsh]

I've made this joke. Sure, I've made a version of that joke a million times too. But that whole like that was the name of my high school band is also just such a. Oh, yeah. Played out like kind of.

[Luke Burbank]

I've been saying that was my nickname in high school for. Since I was in high school. It's almost never ever gotten a laugh in class. In fact, it got me into some real trouble once when I was at a restaurant.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, oh, do you. Oh, was that. That was on the edge, right? We don't want to repeat that.

[Luke Burbank]

It was. Yeah, it was. It was basically I was trying to make a joke and I said that Was my nickname in high school about. There was a pizza at this place we were eating, the Triangle Tavern. It was called the White Lightning.

[Andrew Walsh]

The pizza was.

[Luke Burbank]

And I said, oh, that was my nickname in high school. But then it sounded too braggy to me. White Lightning was cool. So then I said, no, actually it was. And then I don't know where it came from, but I just said kind of a slur, like trying to kind of say my nickname was something not as cool as White Lightning. Something that's like I was being bullied or I was not thought of as a high status kid.

[Andrew Walsh]

Kid. And I.

[Luke Burbank]

It's just one of those weird things. We're just like. The weirdest thing came out of my mouth and everyone at the table with me was like, what?

[Andrew Walsh]

And this was Dentai, by the way?

[Luke Burbank]

No, this was at the Triangle Tavern.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, you just said that. Yeah, sorry, sorry. You just said.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I believe me. Unfortunately, it's seared in my memory and I just. I don't know what happened. Something just short circuited in my brain and I was just trying to. The initial joke wasn't very funny, but then me trying to sort of, I don't know, one up myself or tag my own joke. I just. Something crazy came out of my mouth and it was to the horror, the rightful horror of everyone at the table, including the server. And I was just like, I mean, I should have left the restaurant at that point. I did complete the meal, but it was rough.

[Andrew Walsh]

And do I have it right that. Because I remember you telling this on the show one time and I have this vague memory. Of course I'm picturing it did Tai Fung. But that's because. Because you, you.

[Luke Burbank]

I've also gotten into it there. Yeah, I was not so much with regret, specific words, just overall vibe.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I think you beat yourself up a little bit too much for that one. Because I remember being there and not realizing that you were embarrassed until years later. Maybe. But. But this particular one, were you there with like one couple that you know really well and then another couple that you didn't know very well? I can't remember that part of it.

[Luke Burbank]

I remember. I remember our friend Toon was there.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, yeah, that rings a bell.

[Luke Burbank]

And that's. And probably whoever I was in a relationship with at that point would have likely been there maybe. And then maybe one other person. I can't remember who all was there, but I just remember it was absolutely horrifying for everyone involved.

[Andrew Walsh]

That idea of just saying something like. It scares me so much. First of all we talk into microphones a lot. And it's like when you're reminded that deep down you have the ability just to be absolutely crazy and surprise yourself. I don't know. I'm sure I've told you this before on the show, but one of my kind of most. I don't know if most upsetting is the. Yeah, I'm gonna put this out there as one of my most sort of upsetting moments in grade school. You know my backstory. I was bullied a lot. It was rough. I didn't like it. But then the things that I would do and I don't wanna see. I feel like I shouldn't have brought that up this way because it makes it sound like I'm blaming the bullying for my just awful behavior in this one particular moment. But, like, I remember being on the playground, which was often a place of a certain low level torture for me, but where everybody's standing around in a circle. I walked up to this group of kids. I mean, there's five of them and they're standing around in a circle. And I think I had a crush on one of the girls. I probably had a crush on all of them. But I remember specifically, I think there was a girl there named Amanda. And I think I had a crush on her. She might have been somewhat new. And I'm like, what are you guys looking at? Or something? And they're like, oh, we're looking at. It was like a woolly bear on the ground. You know, those really fuzzy caterpillar. Caterpillar slash, woolly bear thing. And everybody was looking at it.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, no. I know where this is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Reasons I. That is so this doesn't fit into any of my behavior as a child, as an adult, as anything. It doesn't make sense. I just stuck my foot in the middle and I squished the damn thing.

[Luke Burbank]

Thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I still. I've been carrying that around for 40 years. I was probably, what, nine, maybe I was 11 years old. Almost 40 years. I've been carrying that around and asking myself, what the hell happened? And everybody turned on me, Luke. Rightfully so. And it's like I was always in this mode of being a victim, but in this kid. And I remember some kid coming up to me, a kid who's usually bullying me, Just me, like, you're a real asshole. And I don't think I had any excuse. I don't think I. I don't have any idea what I said, but I just. It stuck with me so much. It's such an ugly memory, and it was crazy. It's the reason I don't trust myself. I mean, it's one of the reasons I'm scared of heights is because how do I know I'm not gonna have another woolly bear moment and just throw myself up? Like, where did that come from?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, totally.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I've got the restaurant story is one of them, and probably a few others where you just do something impulsively. And it's in my. In my experience, and probably to some degree in your experience, there was. It was a play for attention.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it was in a way that.

[Luke Burbank]

It was trying to be funny or trying to be in some way interesting or whatever, and it just goes so, so wrong. And, yeah, I. You know, the good news is I. I don't think that that's the person you are. So, you know, there was a momentary lapse of judgment 40 years ago.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, all of that, honestly, everything that I've said so far has been a lead up to today's list, which are the top five things you regret from your youth, submitted by me.

[Luke Burbank]

I've got some. Eating worms. Did you actually do that? Well, I was trying to get. I mean, this is actually, you know, what. Legitimately a thing I regret from my youth. I've probably talked about it before for. We had a kid at our church, a young woman at our church, who was really. What I think now is that she was probably very neurodivergent, but we didn't have those terms back then. And so her personality was really different than the personalities that I was used to. And so, unfortunately, we sort of like. She was very. How do I put it? I decided I was gonna try to. This is when gummy worms were really popular. So I was gonna try to trick her. She's about my age, and I was gonna try to trick her into eating a real worm by telling her it was a gummy worm. And the good news in this story is that in order to get her to put one worm in her mouth, I had to eat at least five real worms. I ate way more worms than this person did because it started with, hey, we got these gummy worms. And she's like, I don't think those are gummy worms. And I was like, they sure are. And she's like, well, you better. I eat a. I eat one of the real worms.

[Andrew Walsh]

And like that.

[Luke Burbank]

Now do you believe me?

[Andrew Walsh]

Are you like. Is it wiggling in your mouth?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I don't. I don't remember killing them. I swallowed it. I ate at Least five worms in order for her to put one worm in her mouth and spit it out.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, my God.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, so the joke was on me. But even the fact that, like, I wanted to sort of bully this person in a way, you know, I didn't see it as bullying in my mind. I just thought, like, oh, this isn't. This is a person. This is an odd person. And I wouldn't it be funny if I played this joke where this person ate a real wor thinking was a gummy worm. Again, the only good news in that is that I did eat much more worms than. She didn't eat any worms. I think she put one worm in her mouth for a second and spit it out. So the. Luckily, the joke was kind of on me, but I, of course, very much regret that any kind of behaviors like that where I. Where I was, you know, being mean to somebody who has probably already had too much of that going on in their life.

[Unidentified Person 1]

Thank you, baby.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, let's thank some donors. Despite our past transgressions, Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

These listeners understand that as long as we learn from our mistakes, there can be redemption. And in fact, there can be financial sponsorship. These folks are donating money to tbtl, keepin'tbtl operating all these thousands of episodes later, folks like Cassie Fontenot of Monroe, Washington.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, you have wonderful fairgrounds. One of my earliest memories from this area was going up to see the demo derby.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you, Cassie. We've been saying Cassie's name on this show for a long time. We've also been saying Karen Tarentiev of Kent, Washington, for a long time. Why do I know that? Because that's an interesting last name. That's a unique last name. And I. I may have just finally said it correctly for the first time all these years in. So. Thanks, Karen.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you for loving us unconditionally.

[Luke Burbank]

That's right. I would say Joni Karnowski of Long Beach, California, loves us not unconditionally.

[Andrew Walsh]

There's some conditions.

[Luke Burbank]

There are some. And that's fair, though. It's about. It's honestly about boundaries. It's, you know, for. For Joanie, It's. It's. It's. It's a very loving relationship, but there are limits to it. And I think, honestly, I think that's fair.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know where Michelle Neptune of Brooklyn, New York, comes down on this whole thing of the radical acceptance of us.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm not sure either, you know, New Yorkers, they're a. They're a Tough bunch. You know, you got to really earn their respect.

[Luke Burbank]

I had a. My only good joke I told on Livewire a couple of weeks ago when we were doing our final recording for the season, we're not even going to be able to use it because it was. This happens a lot on the show. The people that are on the show, the guests do not realize that we often play the interviews in different episodes of Livewire. So it's not. Not everything that happens on the stage is going to. To be playing in the same episode of the show, depending on the length of the interview, depending on a bunch of things. But nobody ever understands that. So guests are constantly referring to something the previous guest said or did.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's funny because that's one of my favorite things about live radio and like doing things in order is that that's always been like kind of a. Something I always fought for in my public radio producing career is like, no, no. Like, I loved it when we would have a game guest come on and refer back to what the last guest had just said because it gives this continuity and this realness to it.

[Luke Burbank]

I totally agree that it is a more fun radio show to hear. Just for some practical reasons for us as far as just like putting out, generating enough content every year, it's basically when the pandemic hit, we sort of shifted some recording models and that's one of the things. But we had this, this kind of performer and his partner, his name is Reverend Billy. And he's been this guy, he's been around forever. In fact, when I was in New York, we did a, like a little video interview with him, me and him and Wynn Rosenfeld when I was doing my show back there. He's Reverend Billy from the Church of Stop Shopping. And it's kind of a performance art, anti consumerism, just general kind of progressive values thing that he does. But he goes around in like a white suit. There's actually a really funny picture of him. He's in an ATM vestibule at bank of America in Manhattan. And he's there all done up in his preacher garage garb, casting out the demons of toxic assets and subprime loans and things from the. From the bank of America. But he was talking about kind of what his philosophy is of his when they do these events, when they show up at places like they protest Starbucks a lot and stuff. And he said, yeah, we're trying to create radical instability. Oh. And I was like, oh, that's an interesting word or something. And then later on, I think it must have been Hodgman or something was out there, there. And he said something. I can't remember what he said, but he said something that was like a little bit like kind of it left me slightly off balance or something. I said I'm feeling radically unstable right now. And everybody. It was like the big laugh line of the night, but I can't even use it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Because they just heard Reverend Billy.

[Luke Burbank]

Unless maybe we do. Sometimes we do. I guess it's not. It's not like. It's not like we.

[Andrew Walsh]

They.

[Luke Burbank]

Those could never live in the same episode. But anyway, that's not particularly interesting to James C. Winters of Louisville, Kentucky, Kentucky. I think James loved that James is sponsoring the show. So James must kind of know what the general vibe is and a lot of it is digressions from me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, he's just glad I'm not talking about squishing cute little creatures anymore.

[Luke Burbank]

We didn't call them wooly. I know that that's a name for them. And in fact I think Becca might call him that. That was not a Seattle thing that makes its way to the Seattle of my youth.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let me see here. Woolly bears are the Isabella Tiger Moth is what they turn into. Oh, but so is there a difference between a woolly bear and a caterpillar? Let me see, what's the difference here?

[Luke Burbank]

Is any caterpillar a woolly bear or is it a particularly furry one?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's what I'm trying to figure out.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm also realizing I haven't seen a caterpillar around here in a long time. Maybe it's because I'm not hanging out in the trees enough. I feel like I saw caterpillars as a kid fairly frequently and I haven't seen a caterpillar in forever.

[Andrew Walsh]

Here's what it is according to the AI overview, which unfortunately is the best summation of this right now. And it does seem to scan with what I'm sort of thing is to answer your question specifically says while all woolly bears are caterpillars, not all caterpillars are woolly bears. So in other words, a woolly bear is a caterpillar of a very specific breed or I don't know if breed is the right word there, but you know, type.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I'm looking at it. Okay. Yeah, that's what I was picturing is the real furry one. The real looking, real show off demon. I know about that. Bruce Morris in Vashon, Washington also knows about that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, he does.

[Luke Burbank]

He's showing off right now. But in the best possible way by being a TBTL donor and supporter. Bruce, thank you so much. Thank you to all of our donors for, for stepping up and supporting our show. We really do, we really do appreciate it. And particularly this time of year, you know, the holidays and being grateful for things and being grateful that this is our job. It's just sort of an amazing thing. And I'm always pleasantly surprised that this thing keeps going. So thank you to our donors. All right.

[Andrew Walsh]

Absolutely.

[Luke Burbank]

I think that's probably going to wrap it up here today. And in fact, this week that brings us to the end of our broadcast week. But we're going to be right back here on Monday with more imaginary radio. So please, if you can tune in for that.

[Andrew Walsh]

In the mean guest, can I go ahead and promote?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, yeah, please do a little promo.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hannah Brooks Olson will be on the show herself. Exactly. My co host from the Spotless podcast will be joining us. I haven't put together all the details yet, but I want to see if she and I can put together a list of cleaning related top fives, maybe top five cleaning products, maybe top five clean, like satisfactory cleaning moments, something like that. We'll, we'll talk about over the weekend. Well, some high.

[Luke Burbank]

You know who will love that? That my sister, Hannah. Who she didn't realize that I could hear this, but when we were all out after a livewire show with Lindy west and Megan Hatcher Maze, she said to Lindy, I really listen to Spotless much more than I listen to.

[Andrew Walsh]

And Lindy said, I don't know what that is and it means nothing to me.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know who that is and I don't care to find out.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, have a great weekend, everybody. We'll see you on Monday. In the meantime, please remember, no mountain.

[Andrew Walsh]

Too tall and good luck to all. Power out.