#4634 The First Class Of First Class

Summary

TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live

Episode #4634: The First Class Of First Class

Date: January 5, 2026
Hosts: Luke Burbank & Andrew Walsh

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Episode Overview

In their first show back after the holiday break, Luke and Andrew ease into 2026 with their signature blend of rambling humor, pop culture musings, personal anecdotes, and minutiae. The hosts touch on everything from post-holiday malaise, sleeping schedules, and TikTok trends to football, mascots, and a truly embarrassing airline experience. As always, they take their own meandering path toward stories about nostalgia, language, and the existential challenges of adulthood (including garbage management).

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Post-Holiday Blues & The Return to Routine

[01:36–08:16]

• Luke reflects on returning after the holiday hiatus, joking about living “a whole life outside the narrative of TBTL.”
• Both hosts discuss the difficulty of getting back to a structured routine after weeks of “druthers”—including sleep schedules gone wild (Andrew admits to pushing bedtimes to 4 am).
• Andrew details his accidental Saturday “hamboning” (getting “accidentally hamboned” or mildly hungover), which forced him to crash early on Sunday and ironically reset his sleep for Monday.
  • “My gosh, yesterday I was just like, what did I do on Saturday?” – Andrew [07:22]
• They joke that the only way to face a hard Monday is to “get absolutely hamboned on Saturday” so Sunday is useless and you’re forced to recover.

2. Consuming Podcasts, the Tyranny of Hiatus, and Buddhist Wisdom

[08:16–11:59]

• Luke grieves the holiday break in his podcast lineup: “All of these shows that are just like... appointment listening for me and they were all on... evergreen material.”
• He describes listening to Ezra Klein’s interview with a Buddhist writer about embracing uncertainty:
  • “Life is a question, it's not an answer.” – Luke referencing Ezra Klein show [11:36]

3. TikTok Tangents and Nostalgia Mining

[12:09–22:52]

• Andrew confesses to digitizing VHS tapes and posting on TikTok (but not the dances).
• They dive deep into Taxi (the TV show), Mary Lou Henner’s “superior autobiographical memory,” and Christopher Lloyd’s unexpected “zaddy” status in a 90s retrospective clip.
  • “When Christopher Lloyd is not playing an out of his mind, wacky character... he was what you might call a zaddy.” – Andrew [19:19]

4. Too Much Good Stuff: The Saga of Toomgis

[24:01–28:34]

• The pair lament the apparent disappearance of the AMPM mascot Toomgis ("Too Much Good Stuff"). Luke shares his documentation of a lingering Toomgis poster in Longview, WA.
  • “With God, pitchers and catchers, what, 35 days away… it's time for start thinking about Toomgis again?” – Luke [24:01]
• Luke speculates about Toomgis being “shadow-banned” or possibly “canceled,” likening him—jokingly—to Russell Brand.
• They wonder about the fate and legal culpability of mascots (“I do not think he would be competent to stand trial...”).

5. Seattle Sports & Seahawks Transitions

[29:39–33:35]

• A reflective segment on the Seahawks' smart player moves, recent successes, and near-misses.
  • “The Seahawks... jumped off of every lily pad at exactly the right moment.” – Luke [30:45]
• Luke gives props to Russell Wilson's sportsmanship post-demotion and marvels at the organization’s resilience.

6. Garbage Can Logistics – A Deep Dive

[33:35–49:34]

• Luke details his intricate garbage process: bins, embarrassing reminders, step counts, and neighbor etiquette. After “doing the math” on his treadmill, he proposes just leaving the bin near the mailboxes, saving steps and reducing stress about pick-up and missed bins.
  • “It’s one of those like... the canoe with the grain and the fox and the chicken...” – Luke [35:27]
• Andrew provides sympathetic logistical consultation and asks about visual “aesthetics,” leading to a tangent on the contemporary use of “aesthetic” by Gen Z.
  • “Are people bastardizing it [‘aesthetic’] or what?” – Andrew [45:11]

7. Language Shifts: The Word “Aesthetic”

[45:29–47:59]

• Discussion about how “aesthetic” has become widespread as a general adjective among young people.
  • “I saw somebody post on TikTok the other day... ‘all these pictures of me got taken when I was before I was aesthetic’—almost like it’s a verb.” – Luke [45:59]

8. Donor Thanks & Listener Community

[49:53–56:39]

• Heartfelt and humorous acknowledgments of donors, pairing names with oddball stories and sports nostalgia (Rocky Marciano, Vinnie Pazienza, Northwest boxing).
• Luke and Andrew reminisce about local Seattle sports broadcasting legends and the inheritance of their old radio time slot.

9. Embarrassing Airplane Upgrade Snafu (Main Story)

[66:33–83:24]

• Luke recounts his LA-to-Portland flight: after a late-breaking upgrade to the “first class of first class” (seat 1F), he’s bumped for a “paying customer” (implying he’s not).
• He’s forced to publicly drag his luggage—sweating and embarrassed—past the whole plane into a cramped middle seat in coach.
  • “I had to get all my stuff... wheel my luggage... try to find some new home... and looked like I got caught, what, trying to sneak into first class.” – Luke [76:56]
  • “Let me tell you, as a person who's sometimes in first class, you’re right, we are smug. I feel qualitatively different…” – Luke [68:53]
• Luke tries (and fails) to get compensation from Alaska Airlines customer service, sparking a tangent about generational differences in service and gate agent apathy.
• Andrew shares his own “walk of shame” story: being momentarily called to first class by name, only to discover another “Andrew Walsh” already there.
  • “There’s a man sitting in the seat that they just told me... he said, ‘no, I’m Andrew Walsh’... But this man was wearing clothes that indicated... he belongs in first class.” – Andrew [81:18]

10. Chocolate Diplomacy: DMV Edition

[85:46–97:39]

• Andrew narrates bringing chocolates to the DMV for a Christmas Eve enhanced license appointment: the staff appreciate (but don’t swoon over) the gesture—he recommends pre-packaged, sealed treats for both flying and bureaucracy.
  • “I just sort of slid it through and just said, ‘Hey, since I made this appointment so late... I thought I would bring this for you guys.’” – Andrew [96:19]
• The hosts connect this back to the custom of bringing chocolates for flight attendants (“always make sure it's sealed”).

11. The Jingle All the Way of Gift-Wrapping (Crate & Barrel Escapades)

[97:39–103:52]

• Luke’s frantic quest for a special coffee maker for his daughter on Christmas Eve leads to a wild, frustrating adventure at a Beverly Hills Crate & Barrel: confusion over online vs. phone orders, missing boxes, gift wrap price inflation, staff burnout.
  • “The workers are obviously burned out... I was going to have a classic holiday meltdown…” – Luke [100:45]
• Andrew counters with a low-stakes retail swap story—being charged 17 cents to exchange a defective cat toy at Petsmart.

12. Emails, Listeners, & Accidental Cruelty

[109:07–113:29]

• Listener Denise shares a heartbreaking yet forgiving anecdote: after her husband’s passing, she learns via group email (accidentally cc’d) that fellow parents talk about “money blown on the gift” given to her.
  • “What kind of a person would...use that term blown, even if the person wasn’t seeing it?” – Luke [111:47]
• The hosts reflect on humanity, radical acceptance, and Buddhist compassion in daily annoyances and interpersonal gaffes.

13. Endnotes: Farside Calendar & The Onion’s Maduro Joke

[113:37–116:56]

• Andrew celebrates his new Far Side page-a-day calendar, which now features separate cartoons for Saturday and Sunday— “swellflation.”
• The episode closes with a real-time Onion joke: “Venezuelan president Nicholas Maduro charged with felony oil possession.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On post-holiday routines:
  • “All I've been thinking about all week is garbage. I mean, I just can't stop thinking about it.” – Andrew [03:23]
• On Buddhist wisdom:
  • “Life is a question, it's not an answer… we’re not going to get life answered and then never have to be worried again.” – Luke [11:36]
• On Christopher Lloyd as a “zaddy”:
  • “He is so casually sexy... there is this clip of them and I’m like, you guys... I was shipping them.” – Andrew [22:02]
• On Toomgis’ ambiguous fate:
  • “It’s a state’s rights issue... there’s no strong federal leadership on the question of Toomgis.” – Luke [24:11]
• On airplane class & privilege:
  • “There is that moment of boarding the plane... where you’re walking past all the people in first class as you go towards coach... and let me just tell you, as a person who's sometimes in first class, you're right, we are smug.” – Luke [68:53]
• On walk of shame:
  • “I had to go all the way back to my terrible, terrible seat because there was a better Andrew Walsh on the flight.” – Andrew [82:51]
• On TikTok and language:
  • “So bummed... all these pictures of me got taken when I was before I was aesthetic almost like it's a verb.” – Luke [45:59]
• On garbage bin strategy:
  • “I was obsessing over... what is the most efficient way to do this? Like, I know that I have this. It's not a problem.” – Luke [35:28]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Garbage Bin Dilemma: [33:35–49:34]
• Mary Lou Henner and Taxi Memories: [12:19–22:52]
• Toomgis Mascot Mystery: [24:01–28:34]
• First Class Upgrade Disgrace: [66:33–83:24]
• Chocolate Bribery at the DMV: [85:46–97:39]
• Listener Email on Accidental Email Ouches: [109:07–113:29]

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Tone & Style

• Conversational with self-deprecating humor and improvisational tangents.
• Equal parts mundane and philosophical; voluble, affectionate, and sometimes gently absurd.
• Frequently meta about podcasting, language, and the passage of time ("our challenge"/“collector’s series”).
• Characterized by warmth toward long-time listeners, and a willingness to embrace life’s little embarrassments together.

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Summary by an Enthusiastic but Always Slightly Offbeat Podcast Summarizer

Transcript

[Luke Burbank]

Dougie, you the guy to talk to her about them things.

[Andrew Walsh]

Them things? Mr. Salvatore. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, them things on the pillow.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hair.

[Luke Burbank]

Jeannie, get some more of them things.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, all right.

[Luke Burbank]

You know them things on the pillow? Initials. Them things at night on a pillow.

[Andrew Walsh]

Mints.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, pillow mints. Yeah, them things. We like them. Yes, of course. Why didn't I think?

[Andrew Walsh]

Stupid.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. How many would you like?

[Andrew Walsh]

How many? A lot. A lot.

[Luke Burbank]

A lot it shall be.

[Andrew Walsh]

Tbtl. Everybody calls it garbage. Most people call it a problem.

[Luke Burbank]

We call it our challenge.

[Andrew Walsh]

Rated by Independent Research, the most popular.

[Luke Burbank]

West coast program in the history of radio. Can you say hot dog? UG dog. Thank you, baby.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hot dog.

[Luke Burbank]

I was just trying to find E.T.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, E.T.

[Luke Burbank]

Classic Spielberg.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, weaver of dreams.

[Luke Burbank]

I love when his finger lights up. That's how you can tell he's an alien. And his face.

[Andrew Walsh]

And his face. I love to peel the strawberries. It's nothing like when your lips content as skinless strawberry.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know if it's video games or what, but it's so unfair to after something like this to blame people in the backseat or say they deserved it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sure, it's done in the name of comedy, but is debasing ourselves really that hilarious? Flashes of Quincy.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, all right. Hello, good morning and welcome, everyone, to a Monday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

[Andrew Walsh]

Notice me, senpai.

[Luke Burbank]

Notice me. My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host. I'm back, baby. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio, perched high above the mighty Columbia, where it is absolutely gorgeous. Monday the 5th of January. Oh, my pa. It's just beautiful. The January sun is. Is sort of shining down on the mighty Columbia river, which is still at very, very high levels after all the rain and other sort of precipitation. But we are looking at an awesome show today here at episode 4634 in a collective collector series or a collectivist series. I don't know where our politics are on this Monday. Let the fun begin. I was enjoying some holiday times away from the daily sort of drumbeat of the show recently, which meant I've been living a whole life outside of the narrative of tbtl, and I'm excited to talk about it, including some movies that I saw, including Marty Supreme. So who needs a movie? Also, the, I would say probably greatest embarrassment I've ever suffered on an airplane. This is embarrassing. Happened to me departing from Los Angeles recently during the Christmas holiday and then just this very morning, actually, as I was on the treadmill here at the Madrona Hill Studio. I had an absolute breakthrough when it comes to how I'm dealing with my garbage cans here. Garbage.

[Andrew Walsh]

All I've been thinking about all week is garbage. I mean, I just can't stop thinking about it.

[Luke Burbank]

And by the way, I know one person who's probably extremely excited to hear about my garbage breakthrough. It's this guy. He's the longest running co bro of the show. Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ship. This guy is a 4 1/2 foot.

[Andrew Walsh]

Tall pile of awesomeness.

[Luke Burbank]

He is Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good morning, Luke. Welcome back.

[Luke Burbank]

So nice to see you.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's good to see you. It's been an exciting time. I don't know if you heard.

[Luke Burbank]

If.

[Andrew Walsh]

You heard tell of Friday's show, but we did something very fun on Friday where we, we just played a literally a 30 minute montage of listener phone calls. It was one of my favorite TBTLS of all time. No offense to you, but the listeners.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, I could also, honestly, I could take today off too.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, no, honestly, we have.

[Luke Burbank]

I was not ready to come back to real life this morning, I'll tell you that much.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is that true? You're sometimes kind of like hopping and ready to come back?

[Luke Burbank]

I was excited to talk to you, I really was. Because what I noticed is when I'm, you know, when we're not doing the show, sort of Monday through Friday in the typical fashion, I have so many moments where I'm kind of like, oh, I want to tell Andrew about this on the show tomorrow. This is happening. You know, we're constantly collecting content. So I miss talking to you, I miss being on the show. But there was just a million other things from like my other job life related to the television stuff and the, my radio show and all that, that I've just been kind of like, you know, out of office on. And I just kind of knew that like this Monday was going to hit extra hard for me as far as like owing a lot of people a lot of emails and just becoming again a productive member of society.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I found a way. Of course, it doesn't sound like your issue with time away from work is that you get your sleep schedule quite as messed up as mine when I'm left to my own druthers or devices.

[Luke Burbank]

I thought you were gonna say something else that starts with a doctor drinking. Well.

[Andrew Walsh]

Or drugs. Or drugs. Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

But when you said druthers, so much of that is Also the word drug, the first three letters are the same.

[Andrew Walsh]

Because we did have some shows on tape during the holidays and just here and there had a strange couple of weeks and I was basically on my own schedule. I think on average my bedtime was like 3:30.

[Luke Burbank]

Whoa.

[Andrew Walsh]

In the morning. That's not the latest. That's not an outlier. I was going to bed between someone AMS and some 5:00am oh, there were some. Yeah, well, four AMS. I remember at one point looking at the clock and being like, it's 4:15. You gotta go to bed now. How is it that I have to force myself to go to bed at 4:15? So I'm actually kind of glad to have a little bit more structure. But one thing that I learned, if you're. If you're dreading a potentially tough Monday, especially, you know, maybe having to like, kind of actually wake up at some kind of a decent hour for the first time in a while, what you need to do is get absolutely hamboned on Saturday. So that Sunday is just a slog. I was. So I got accidentally hamboned on Saturday, which I didn't really know that was a thing, but it is. It involves the Eagles. It usually does.

[Luke Burbank]

It involves the Seattle Seahawks playing a pivotal game. And I'm playing pretty well, at least from the defensive side. And then being at the Eagles, I had a sense. Cause you and I were texting at the beginning of the game and I thought I was both. I was sad and relieved I wasn't at the Eagles with you because I think I would have gone right down the same path that you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And I don't even know exactly what happened. I mean, the game was, you know, at 5pm here. It wasn't like a late night game on the West Coast. But then, yeah, I was there with a group of friends.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that's Rolling Thunder playing darts.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly. And then it was one of those things where I don't think in the moment I realized how hard I was going until the next day. And like, you know me, Luke, I'm not somebody who's like kind of a. I've had a beer or two in my life. I'm not somebody who goes around kind of clutching my head and saying, oh, I'm so happy.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't see you wearing your sunglasses indoors because you had three beers the night before.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's not my move. But my gosh, yesterday I was just like, what did I do on Saturday? So the good thing was I went to bed at a somewhat reasonable hour. I think before 1am yesterday.

[Luke Burbank]

That's four dimensional chess, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, so we've all learned a valuable lesson here.

[Luke Burbank]

We have because if you knock yourself down so hard on Saturday night, then it's all you can do to stay awake until about 7 8pm on Sunday night. And then come Monday morning, like this Monday morning you're probably, probably got a good night's sleep and you sleep schedule.

[Andrew Walsh]

Although my goal was to go to bed like you said, like, oh, I'll go to bed at like 10 or 11 or something. I was heading towards that until it got to be about midnight and then I was like, oh, let me start working on some VHS tape. So I still went to bed around one or something last night, but it's still way more, way more reasonable than it was. And so I'm actually kind of. I'm, I'm happy, I'm, I'm feeling squirrely today.

[Luke Burbank]

Good. No, I'm, I'm, I am. All in all, I'm very happy to be back. I think it helped that I was listening to the Ezra Klein show on, during my jog and he was talking to. This was really hard for me. Andrew, speaking of podcasts and kind of like you know, the last two weeks, which were kind of for a lot of people, holiday weeks and a lot of the shows that I listen to that are very sort of news based, they all kind of went on hiatus. Whether it was, you know, the guys over at Pod Save America or the Ezra Klein show. I don't think Chris was fully on tape, but they met our friend Chris Hayes's show. Why is this happening? All of these shows that are just like. They're all appointment listening for me and they were all on some sort of modified schedule or kind of doing evergreen material until. What's that?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, head of State, I was going to say.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that's the thing.

[Andrew Walsh]

Everybody kicked in.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, right. I mean I. Well good. Maybe the ones you're listening to. I mean I haven't seen an emergency pod saved. Did Chris put it?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I'm not sure. I was just sort of assuming that maybe that's where you're going with that. Sorry to step on you.

[Luke Burbank]

I thought. Oh no, not at all.

[Andrew Walsh]

Everybody was going to be like, well I guess vacation is over.

[Luke Burbank]

I think on the TV side definitely and probably. I'm sure the daily. I mean it's almost like. Yeah, I'm sure that the New York Times audio, which by the way, not a fan, not a fan of them bringing everything back in house.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

All of their audio. So now you can't. Cuz remember, I loved you, didn't you? You never had access.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, they never made it for Android. You had a perfect New York Times app that like. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Great. It brought in all kinds of other, like, you know, magazine content. I was really, really a power user of it. And then they just decided, no, actually there's just going to be a tab on the regular New York Times app that says listen. And that's where all of our audio is going to go. But it's just, it's kind of glitchy and it's not always super intuitive, just AI too.

[Andrew Walsh]

How is the actual reading? Is it different?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, you know what, that's a good question. I still mostly use it for shows that are like audio shows that are on the New York Times show. I don't listen to as many articles. I will listen to sometimes the great read. But I'm still, I'm still holding on to. I'm like the last person fighting, you know, in some Pacific island about like. I don't really like the AI voices. And if I start to listen to an article and it's the AI voice, I am less inclined to stick with it. I'll try to find some, but then sometimes you get lucky and they have a real human reading and they've kind of produced it up a little bit. And then that's what I tend to gravitate towards. But I was listening to Ezra this morning do. It was an evergreen show, but it was one that I felt very connected to as we go into 2026 because it was. He was talking to this guy who was a sort of a. Was a. A Buddhist monk and has now, I think, co written with his wife a sort of book. I think he's written a couple of books about just like the uncertainty of life and ways that we can try to sort of make. Not make peace with, but accept the fact that life is going to be uncertain as opposed to trying to make like, defeat every bit of uncertainty in life all the time so that we never have to feel that discomfort. Because that's what I find myself doing. I don't like things feeling uncertain. I don't like feeling anxious. I don't like not knowing how. How life is going to go. And. And one of the things they said was something along the lines of like, life is a question, it's not an answer. So that's what I'm trying to hold on to this week. In other words, we're not going to get life answered and then never have to be worried again because, like, there you go, we've answered it. It's like, no, this. Is this always going to be uncomfortable? There's always going to be questions.

[Andrew Walsh]

How do we.

[Luke Burbank]

How do we figure out how to be okay within that uncertainty? So that is. That's what I'm moving into 2026 with. And I'm feeling good. So for all of my Sunday scaries, I'm actually. Monday, I'm feeling okay, thanks to a little Buddhist wisdom.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's nice. I was scrolling through TikTok or something. I don't know why I'm saying this. I just feel the need to respond to your story and what I'm about to say. I don't even want to.

[Luke Burbank]

Andrew, you can also just be okay with the uncertainty.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's true.

[Luke Burbank]

What's going on the show.

[Andrew Walsh]

What if I just didn't say anything? Well, you have a long show sheet. You wouldn't even. You wouldn't even hesitate. But I was going to say I was just like, I don't know, randomly scrolling through the ticky talkies, which, you know me, I don't do a lot of. I don't. I don't, like, live on TikTok, man.

[Luke Burbank]

So much of that during my break.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, did you see that? I posted a TikTok. Do you do my TikTok show up in your algorithm?

[Luke Burbank]

Whoa. I don't think so, because I would have clicked on that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it was. It was. I'm working. What I'm trying to do is, instead of doing all the dances I. That other people are already doing, is I'm trying to make my own TikTok dance.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, that's a good idea.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I think that might really sort of, you know, go viral.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's called the shirtless mumbo jumbo. It's a little thing. I do know. It's not a. It was just. I was. I was digitizing a lot of VHS tapes over the weekend, and there was a clip. Oh, shoot. I'm already on a tangent. On a tangent. You know what? Forget what I was going to say, because it was just hater 8. Anyway, about me scrolling through TikTok and seeing something that was like, is that Buddhist wisdom or is that just malarkey? But what I was going to say to maybe turn the nose up on that negativity train is me going through VHS tapes. What I found was. So you remember the old TV show Taxi, Right? But I think of that as a 70s show, right? I didn't really look this up. I think it's 70s, maybe into the early 80s, although I'm not entirely sure. But what I found on one of these random VHS tapes that I picked up at a garage sale at some point was a retrospective where it was already the 90s. And you had. I can't remember the name of the woman who's on Taxi. I want to say Margo Jenner. And I don't even think that's a real person.

[Luke Burbank]

No. Are you thinking about. Was it. Was it. Oh, fui. She has. Was it Mary Lou Henner?

[Andrew Walsh]

Mary Lou Henner. What did I say, by the way?

[Luke Burbank]

You know, you know about Mary Lou Henner, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

I know that she was on task, actually, pretty close.

[Luke Burbank]

You had the mic, you had the general length of the name. I don't think Margo Jenner is that far away from Mary Lou Henner. I'm going to give you half a point for that.

[Andrew Walsh]

What I'm trying to figure out what I was even conflating that I ended up with Margot Jenner. But what is the thing?

[Luke Burbank]

You're probably thinking Margot Kidder.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was. That's what I was thinking.

[Luke Burbank]

80S, Superman and.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

And then, you know.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you.

[Luke Burbank]

Mary Lou Henners was one of those people. Actually, she's still alive. I don't want to. I don't want to erase our friend Mary Lou Henner from this planet prematurely, but Mary Lou Henner is a person who has.

[Andrew Walsh]

She's with us. She is not. Was.

[Luke Burbank]

Mary Lou Henner has this incredible savant ability to be able to tell you what day, any date was. She has. She has. Well, she has a perfect memory like she has. And she was on 60 Minutes. This isn't just like some weird Internet rumor. They did a whole special on these kinds of people on 60 Minutes, and one of them happened to be Mary Lou Henner, AKA Margo Jenner. And she has a per. She has total recall of, like, everything that's ever happened to her in her life. And she's also one of those people that if you said like, July 6, 1972, she'd go Tuesday. Her brain just knows that for some.

[Andrew Walsh]

Reason that information as long as she was around, Right. She doesn't just remember. Because I'm looking at this now, it says in a 60 Minutes interview, she was interviewed for her superior autobiographical memory ability. She claims she can remember almost every day of her life since she was 11 years old. So I wonder if that's. I would love.

[Luke Burbank]

Maybe. Maybe she's not also. I might be.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I'm reading between the lines here.

[Luke Burbank]

I. I'm conflating the. The date thing because there are those people, too, where they're like, savant ability. And maybe she. Maybe she just has the perfect memory. Maybe she's not the calendar lady. But there are these calendar people that are really interesting, too, which is. They can just tell you automatically what day of the week any date was in the last. Whatever, since we went to this calendar or something.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is. I'm watching the 60 Minutes now, but I don't know where to drop this to. Needle. Drop it in order to play the audio in here. So they're starting with a little clip here of her. I think they're giving her some background about.

[Luke Burbank]

Does she remember back when her name was Marilyn Jenner?

[Andrew Walsh]

Let me. Let me hit play on this, but I want to come back to the clip that I. That I found online.

[Luke Burbank]

But this is.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do you remember that was the fourth.

[Luke Burbank]

Episode that we shot, and I had.

[Andrew Walsh]

The blue dress on?

[Luke Burbank]

Alex. See, that was gonna be my first question to you. I remember what color dress you wore to the party. Yes, yes, yes.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I remember Tony's line, how come.

[Luke Burbank]

We can't go to the party, too? How come we can't go to the party, too? You know, it's like things come back a line to Alex, you're maybe my best friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

You're maybe my best friend.

[Luke Burbank]

And he turns around, you know, it's.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, the episode will come back to me. And I remember Mary Lou is one of just 10 people in the world who've been tested and proved to have superior autobiographical memory. 10-1-8th, total recall of every day of their lives.

[Luke Burbank]

Extremely impressive. Delta Airline Flight 191 crashes near Dallas, Texas.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I know exactly when that happened, because it was August 2nd of 1985. It was a Friday.

[Luke Burbank]

Such a gift has never been documented.

[Andrew Walsh]

Before, and scientists like Professor James McGaughire are excited about where it may lead. One of them said, it's like a.

[Luke Burbank]

Google search that you put it in and it just sort of.

[Andrew Walsh]

And there it is. And it's the year and it's the month and it's the day, and it sort of narrows in and it goes bang.

[Luke Burbank]

And they've got it.

[Andrew Walsh]

And this all happens very quickly. It just.

[Luke Burbank]

There you have it. That's how they explain to you how they do it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Does he think Google goes, chicka, chicka, chicka?

[Luke Burbank]

I want to set my Google to do that. I would like to hear it clicking away in the background as it looks. You know, sometimes when you get stuck in A kind of a phone, like a, you know, phone help situation. Have you noticed those ones where. When it's giving you a. Like sometimes when it's giving you an AI program or a sort of a bot, but it adds in a typing sound effect. Have you ever got that one?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I feel like they're looking it up, I think.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think so.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Like, but, but, but it's. But it'll sometimes be like, you know. Hi, I'm Greg, your assistant. Can I help you? Be like reservations. Okay, let me check that out.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah, I think I have her.

[Luke Burbank]

Greg is freaking typing. Like Greg has a corporeal form that needs to type. Greg, you live in a computer.

[Andrew Walsh]

Whoa. I'm sorry about the extraneous audio there. I didn't know that my computer.

[Luke Burbank]

What was the Mary Lou Henner content.

[Andrew Walsh]

That you had the other day? It was more Taxi related. So basically what I found was not. And I'm going to try sending you a link here because I want you to watch it. Because what we're doing on this audio program today is analyzing physical body language of two actors in the 90s talking about their acting in the 70s. Because like I said, think that Taxi was a 70s show, maybe early 80s. But what I found was a tape from. I want to say, hold on, let me ask Google.

[Luke Burbank]

That's me trying to make a typing sound effect.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I heard it, I heard it. But what I found was a broadcast from 1993 that was like a retrospective hosted by Mary Lou Jenkins. I really did blank on it there again, Mary Lou Henner. So she's kind of like. She's the only one who's like kind of modern day. And she's looking back at Taxi, which is so interesting because I'm watching it in 2025, which is so much further in the future, you know what I mean? Like from the point she's recording that to the point I'm watching it, more oceans of time have passed then her. Look back at something just like a decade earlier, essentially. But they're showing a bunch of clips. And what I learned, and I want to use this word advisedly, but what I learned is that when Christopher Lloyd is not playing an out of his mind, wacky character, he was what you might call a zaddy. There is this footage of him and Tony dancing in the 90s. What's that?

[Luke Burbank]

I said all caked up.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know that phrase.

[Luke Burbank]

Looking sexy. He's being sexy.

[Andrew Walsh]

He's just like. He's got this casual calmness about him we think of Doc Brown, right? Or we think about the weird mechanic that he plays on Taxi. Or just like these really out there characters that are very big. But apparently he is like a very reserved guy. And that's what this whole clip of him and Tony Danza, they're driving around.

[Luke Burbank]

On the golf cart.

[Andrew Walsh]

On a golf cart. Like just like on the back lot somewhere.

[Luke Burbank]

I love that clip. I didn't, I don't know if I saw Baby posted it. You were just, you were watch it.

[Andrew Walsh]

You. I mean it sounds like you know it and I found it on vhs. It's not like I just retweeted it. So you might be being fed my.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm being fed your content. It's delicious.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's really delicious. Right?

[Luke Burbank]

That was great. I didn't realize that was you. I totally saw that clip. I watched it and I did not understand that you were the one posting it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. From a vhs.

[Luke Burbank]

Is your account not like Andrew Walsh? Does it have some other. Or was I just not clocking?

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, you should note my avatar is Tooomgus. It's Radio free Walsh on TikTok. I've only got like three videos up there and most of them are.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, that 100% came into my awareness is because of you. And I thought that clip was great. I love their vibe.

[Andrew Walsh]

Their vibe is amazing. Right. So again they're, they're, they're in the 90s looking back at the 70s, so it seems like they're older or whatever, but actually like, like Tony Danza is just like, he's like a, he's like a golden retriever around Christopher Lloyd. He clearly loves him to death. But they're riding around this golf cart and Christopher Lloyd is just like, he's wearing like what it looks like a denim or a light blue button down shirt, but it's like the top three buttons maybe are unbuttoned or top two certainly. But in a show off, he was just in this incredibly casual way and he's got his arm around Tony Danza and they're just reminiscing about how, like how Tony Danza would always talk his ear off and Christopher Lloyd was a really quiet kind of guy. There's also a clip in there where Christopher. I didn't post this, but Christopher Lloyd said that he really did not want. When he moved from New York to la, he said, I will not do television. I am a serious New York actor. And of course he ends up in that role. Exactly. And he ends up in that role in Taxi, you know, which Then sucks the ambassador. But he is so casually sexy. And they both are. I mean, also, Tony Danz is just built, you know, and so like, there is this clip of them and I'm like, you guys. Like, I was shipping them to again, use old slang that I barely understand.

[Luke Burbank]

I really liked that video. And again, it's very strange that, because sometimes something will pop up when I'm scrolling TikTok and it will ask me if I want to start following someone who's clearly in my contacts. So it knows I've at some point, stupidly probably allowed TikTok to like, also, you know, scrape my content or my contacts, rather, somehow.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. So it'll say not to. But then it keeps finding people in my.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I'll be like, hey, do you want to follow this person? And it'll just be a random person who's in my phone, but who also has a TikTok account. And I don't feel like it's done that with you or I would have hit. Okay. But yeah, somehow the other day, I guess shortly after you'd posted that, I was just scrolling and I saw that footage and I had no idea that you were the person. And this is one of those times where it's like, there's no way I saw it from some other person who also was looking this up on vhs.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly. That's why I got excited there. I was like, okay, then you really did see.

[Luke Burbank]

That's like the fully original event that you orchestrated. Like, that's not a piece of tape bouncing around the Internet.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, you probably saw it and thought it was actually Tooomgus because my avatar is too. You're like, oh, well, Tungus was just digitizing tapes again.

[Luke Burbank]

Have we. I mean, with God, pitchers and catchers, what, 35 days away, 40 days away. It's start time for start thinking about Tungus again.

[Andrew Walsh]

Because I hope so.

[Luke Burbank]

Although baseball season for too much good stuff.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I will say though, don't you feel like Tungus, his silence was violent Shadow band? Yeah, absolutely. Not seen any Tomb Gas content in a long time.

[Luke Burbank]

I took a picture at the a.m. p.m. In Longview, Washington, where I was getting gas this summer because they still had some Tungus. There was still a poster on the outside of the AMPM that featured our boy Toomgis. And I like, I documented it. I think I forgot to send it to you all. But it was like, you know, because we've looked this up before on the show. We've been to the AMPM website. I feel like it's One of those things where it's, you know, it's a sort of. It's a state's rights issue. It's. There's no strong federal leadership on the question of tumgus. It's kind of like store by store. It's like, what do you feel like doing with your ampm? Are you going to leave up a TUMGUS poster? Like in one of those, you know, sort of outdoor, large kind of poster frames that just could sit on the side of a particular ampm for a long amount? Like does AMPM corporate control the turnover on those kinds of posters or is it up to the, like the franchisee?

[Andrew Walsh]

I do think I had cousins who used to go around. I think they worked for beer concerns or something in the Midwest where their jobs were to go to stores and various places and like, kind of update advertising or at least like give the owners or operators like options to like, hey, you want to put this Miller Light sign in your store? Or what have you. So, but I would say job, but tomkiss. I mean, I do know that it's a national television campaign and he is. He was notably absent last year, so.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know on the NPM website last time we checked. So it's not like they've. It's not this kind of thing where like basically Tungus didn't get canceled as far as we can tell. It's not like they're. They're not trying to scrub all mention of Toomgus from their website. Like Tungus got caught in some sort of a, you know, law enforcement situation. It's just kind of like they're just not emphasizing Tungus. But he, he's still kind of hanging around in the background.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm looking now, I'm trying to find him on the AMPM site now when I type in AMPM tomb giz. Now, I don't know if this is what we really want to do with our time here, but first of all, ever there has been a mascot who would likely be cancelled. It would be Tumus. I mean, his name is too much good stuff.

[Luke Burbank]

But you, let's be honest, also would not meet the. Would not meet the legal standard for being culpable. I don't think that you could prosecute. I think Tungis would probably end up spending the rest of his days in some sort of a. Like a, you know, an asylum.

[Andrew Walsh]

He needs help, you're saying?

[Luke Burbank]

I don't think. Yeah, I do not think he would be competent to stand trial based on Tungis.

[Andrew Walsh]

And also do you remember a kind of a. I don't know if it's subtle or not, but I'll call it a subtle. Part of that campaign was that ladies love cool Tomb gifts. Like those commercials. They'd be like. And they'd be sort of flirting with him. You're just like, man. Okay. Toomgus can get it.

[Luke Burbank]

Andrew, I found it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

He's a zaddy. He's all caked up. Actually, tumgus might be all caked up if you turned him around. His buns, his buttocks might actually be like honey buns.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's a really good point.

[Luke Burbank]

I found the photo, okay? And it's a timestamp on it. This is what we love about modern technology. Okay. Longview, WA August 17th of 2025 at 12:57pm I snapped a picture of Toomgis in a poster on the side of this a.m. p.m. And actually the poster does not look super crazy, like sun faded. And it says your phone's full of savings deals and prizes. Get the AMPM app. And guess who's holding a smartphone? It's our boy Tungus.

[Andrew Walsh]

And he's holding it. And he does have his aren't his hands. Am I right? I think his hands are sticky buns.

[Luke Burbank]

Right? And his hair is licorice.

[Andrew Walsh]

I believe that is true. Yeah. I am on the AMPM website right now. How do you spell Tungus again?

[Luke Burbank]

Is it I S T O O M G? I S like too much good stuff.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's what I.

[Luke Burbank]

If you search traditional spelling.

[Andrew Walsh]

If you search Tungus. Unless I'm spelling it wrong, there are no results for Tungus on the AMPM website anymore. I think he's being scrubbed. Wow.

[Luke Burbank]

I wonder. And again, you're right though. It's like nothing would surprise me as far as he's issues for Tomb Gizz.

[Andrew Walsh]

He feels like the Russell brand of mascots.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, that's rough.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't mean. Well, you know what? I've gone too far. My apologies to Tomb Gifts.

[Luke Burbank]

Is it. Is he the Russell Wilson of. No, because Russell Wilson, for all of his. No, for all of his. For all the corniness of Russell Wilson. I don't think we think Russell Wilson's getting up to anything that would get him in trouble. In fact, even the other day I was Sunday, I was watching the Giants game and like, you know, famously, if you are a follower of the NFL like Russell Wilson, he plays for the Giants, but he's been demoted and they've got this guy, Jackson Dart, who's their quarterback, who's Kind of everybody loves and he's kind of, you know, he's a flashy player and he's a, you know, anyway, he's people are all excited about Jackson Dart and the everybody's moved on from Russell Wilson from Mr. Unlimited. And I saw this play where Jackson Dart did something good and the most excited person on the sideline was Russell. Yeah, I was like good for you, man. Like you love to see that. Like that, that, that made me happy. Gave me. I, I think what's going to happen as potentially Russell Wilson is. Has finished his career playing in the NFL. Many speculate. I think more the more time that goes on, the more that I will reflect fondly on him.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know.

[Luke Burbank]

And kind of there was the worst of it was like the moments before he was traded to the Broncos and then pretty much right after that my, my, my feelings around the guy started to improve incrementally every day and they continue to.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, at the risk of getting into. Because I feel like if you and I opened the door to football talk after having not talked in a while and a lot of amazing football going on, we could slip into some dangerous territory here early on a Monday. But it is interesting that the Seahawks, if you look at all of the some of the biggest names in recent Seahawks history, I think it really speaks well of the organization. And this is kind of obvious how they moved on from people at the exact right moment. Things were just like we're wincing like oh no, what's going to happen post Russell Wilson and then look what happens to Russell Wilson. Our friend Geno Smith and Pete Carroll just lost his job today there in Vegas and I, you know, and Gino has something to do with that too, I would guess. I don't know what the his future hold and you would know more about DK than me. I don't think he had the season that he hoped, but I think that was maybe injury involved as well.

[Luke Burbank]

But anyway, okay season. I think maybe I want to say 900 yards or something. I don't think he had a thousand yard season. But yeah, it's like in Frogger, you know, like the Seahawks and I guess we can assume that's basically John Schneider and then maybe the owners they jumped off of every lily pad at exactly the right moment.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it was. Even though you're like is this smart? And I was, I mean obviously it was a big celebratory weekend for the Seahawks. So I was kind of reflecting on that a little bit this morning listening to some sports radio and just like wow. They. You and I were really bracing. I remember you saying. I was trying to remember exactly how you put it, but you. I think it may be last season or the season before we lost the head coach and we didn't really know our future of quarterback. You're like, I think we're going to be in the wilderness for a while.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

And my God, did the Seahawks luck out. That wilderness did not last long. Like. No. My goodness, no.

[Luke Burbank]

That was. Yeah. And we'll talk maybe a little bit later if we get into the Badlands, which I'm guessing we will after having some time apart. Maybe we'll throw some Seahawks chat in there and spoil Marty supreme. In the moments before that happens, can I tell you about this friggin mathematical breakthrough that I had this morning regarding my garbage situation? So, you know, the way it's set up here at my house, I. So you come down the end of a road and there's literally a sign that says end of county road. And then that's the beginning of my little driveway. And, and sign should say that.

[Andrew Walsh]

End of county road. Beginning of.

[Luke Burbank]

Beginning of Luke's little driveway.

[Andrew Walsh]

I like that.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, we'd have people showing up.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's true.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm a public figure. We can't. I can't be, you know, fully alerting people as to where I am. But so what I have to do each week is, is so then my, my parking little area kind of above my house, I. That's where my garbage can is. And then I take the garbage out and then I, you know, I try to remember on Wednesday night, by the way, no pressure because actually when I get to the end of this story, I think the pressure will. Your responsibility will be off. But like, you were gonna email.

[Andrew Walsh]

I was reminding you. I was texting.

[Luke Burbank]

We're gonna remind me because we have.

[Andrew Walsh]

The same garbage night. It's supposed to be Wednesday night. Of course, every. The holidays threw all that into chaos too. I don't know if it's totally in your. In your neck of the woods, but like, Wednesdays were Thursdays, Thursdays were Fridays. Cats were marrying dogs.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it was, it was pandemonium around here. But so what I do is I, yeah, I put my. I, you know, fill up the garbage can. And I had a couple of. I had some people over. We had a big family get together. I had a lot of stuff going on. So my garbage can was especially full. So it was one of those weeks where it's like, there's no margin for error here. Like, this needs to get taken this week or I'm going to actually be kind of in trouble to try to go another week without it. So. And, and you know, there was one night or there was one week that I almost forgot I was out there Wednesday night at 10 o', clock, you know, dragging it up the little hill. So I. But up. So where I take it is I wheel it up my kind of gravel driveway and then just a little ways up this road and I put it out by where my mailboxes are. Because also, again, what happens is, like, the mail, I don't get the mail delivered to my actual house. I don't have a mailbox on my house. Well, I can tell you how many steps it is, Andrew. It's exactly 70 steps up to the mailbox. How do I know this? It's because I actually, I walked it off today because I had this breakthrough. Not only was I getting into Buddhism on the treadmill, but I was getting into efficiency because I realized something. So my garbage can is still right now up by the mailboxes because I took it up there last week and then I was out of town, I was doing things. And so I just got back the other night and I hadn't gotten around to going up and taking. Bringing the garbage down to its kind of like intermediate home. And so as I'm on the treadmill and my mind is wandering as I'm actually being very un Buddhist, because instead of like just being radically present, I'm radically thinking about what I'm going to do right when I get off the treadmill and before we start this show. And my thought is, because I knew the garbage had filled up inside my house, right? So I was like, okay, I'm gonna go downstairs while I'm still all sweaty and gross from the treadmill, I'm gonna get those two bags of garbage out of the kitchen garbage, because I have one of those kind of dual ones that kind of holds two things. I'm gonna walk. And what I was doing, it was one of those like. Like the canoe with the grain and the fox and the chicken, and you're trying to figure out how to get it off the street. What I was puzzling out of my mind was when I get off the treadmill, do I walk up to where the mailboxes are and bring the garbage can down and then go into the house and get the garbage bags and then go back out to where the garbage can is and put it there, or do I go into the house and get the garbage and bring it to where the garbage can is going to go.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, I was.

[Luke Burbank]

I was obsessing over. And this is actually something my brain does, weirdly, for a person who's not very efficient and not very strategic, I get kind of paralyzed by these kinds of questions sometimes, which is like, what is the most efficient way to do this? Like, I know that I have this. It's not a problem. But here's the thing. The garbage can is up by the mailboxes. The garbage is in the house. The garbage can is gonna come down to its intermediate point. What is the most efficient way to do this? So I'm not just backtracking a bunch.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, so just to be very clear here, and I know you've explained this, but I just want to be very clear. So you took out the garbage at some point, probably on for pickup on Friday morning of last week, I'm guessing with the holiday schedule. And you've just left your bins. This sounds judgy.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't mean it twice.

[Andrew Walsh]

But you've just left them bas.

[Luke Burbank]

At the curb.

[Andrew Walsh]

We'll just call it the curb right where the pickup. But you're not going to just leave it there a few more days. You're going to. You want to bring it back to where it lives.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, well, I mean, that was the plan. Now, let me clarify something also. Where the garbage can. Where the place that I bring it to up by the mailboxes is sort of no man's land. It's not really someone's yard. It's just kind of this, like, forgotten little strip of ground where, like, it's not like it's in front of somebody's house. It's not like it's at a curb. It's kind of just out there. It's kind of just not. It's like they don't. It's like it doesn't even matter. Andrew. It's like, not really.

[Andrew Walsh]

But it is a place where the.

[Luke Burbank]

Cop said no one was gonna miss it. The cops said it's like, not even a.

[Andrew Walsh]

But it's a place where. I know. But that's where the. The truck pulls up, though. So it's by a road in some way. Like, it is by a road.

[Luke Burbank]

But I want to be clear. It's not like. Like it's not like the can is sitting or the. You know, the. Whatever the bin is sitting indirectly in front of someone's, like, front yard or where someone parks or anything. Like, it's. It's this kind of very utilitarian area that is that's, that's just like again, it's just a kind of a no man's land.

[Andrew Walsh]

But you don't want to leave your garbage bins there all week long because it's somewhat unsafe. I'm asking you. Sorry, that was a question mark. Are you. So is this the question or should you just leave your bins there? All the bridges. Oh, okay.

[Luke Burbank]

This is the breakthrough. The breakthrough is if I just leave my garbage bin up there. Which again, that's why I was going really hard on the explanation about like it's not in front of anyone's house. It's not, it's not like it's, it's in fact, at most it's in front of my house because my house is the closest thing located by where near the garbage bin is when it's at the mailboxes. If that makes sense. I did the math. It is right now. It is. If I, if I do the thing where I put the garbage can in the kind of like closer to my house area that's 35 steps from my front door, let's say that two times a week I bring the garbage out and put it in there. So that's 70 steps round trip. So that's 140 steps. But then I also have to wheel the garbage can up to where the mailboxes are, which is round trip. Another 140 steps, which equals 280 steps total now a week. 280 steps a week for the system I've been using.

[Andrew Walsh]

And you only have one bin?

[Luke Burbank]

I only have one bin.

[Andrew Walsh]

And there's a Krong bin.

[Luke Burbank]

Boy, don't I wish. My daughter's career, by the way, is now at the point where I'm very jealous of her. She casually mentioned the other day because she has this job at KCRW in Los Angeles where she was like, oh yeah, I was introducing Krongbin on stage the other day. Wow, a kill for that gig. So if now what I ended up doing today, because I am considering, I am pursuing maybe the path of just leaving my garbage can up there is I. What I did was I went into the house, I got the garbage bags, I walked all the way up to the mailboxes, which is about 70 steps up there. So 140 steps round trip. And I put those garbage bags in there. I. My math is that if I basically go back and forth to, to the mailbox area, basically if I go back and forth to the further area twice a week, that's 140 steps two times it's exactly the same distance. It's 280 steps. It's the same amount of walking as I've been currently doing. There's one major difference. I never have to worry about if I remembered to take the garbage out. And I also don't live in an area. Like, I know one of the things that you. You are concerned about is, like, people throwing dog waste in your garbage can when it's been. No one will ever like.

[Andrew Walsh]

Somebody did that this week, by the way.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, no. Really? Yeah. Yeah, Somebody said Mary, like, worst case scenario. Like, in other words, you got your clean bin back. But it had my dog pooping it, pulling a bag.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yep. They're like, merry Christmas. Here's my dog's poop. Why don't you just hang on to this for a week?

[Luke Burbank]

Throwing your whole week off, dude.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, but look at me. I'm here.

[Luke Burbank]

Power, you are here. But. So, yeah, so if I just leave it there, by the way, another thing is in this neighborhood because there's some of my neighbors that live. My neighborhood is so confusing when you hear me talk about it sounds like I live in rural America and yet I live in a cul de sac. Essentially. Some of the other neighbors, they wheel their garbage bin up. They have to get there picked up at the same place mine is picked up. And they often leave their can out for a week at a time. It's kind of a place where people tend to leave.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's kind of like dropping your kids off at school. You have a little area where you're all dropping off your kids kids and they're waiting for the school bus. Only these are bins and they're waiting for the garbage can. And some of you are just leaving your kids out there all week.

[Luke Burbank]

Some of us love our kids more than. Some of us have entire Twitter accounts and Blue sky accounts dedicated to telling the school that we've dropped our kids off and some of us haven't seen our kids for weeks and we're unbothered.

[Andrew Walsh]

My child is an honor bin. I know that.

[Luke Burbank]

I have one of those, like, annoying ones. And like, it's like a dinosaur is eating. Have you seen those? Yeah, A dinosaur is eating someone's stick family.

[Andrew Walsh]

So let me just ask you this, and I think the, The. The answer I can already hear.

[Luke Burbank]

I know what your take on this is, but please.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I don't. I don't really have a take because I don't. I can't quite picture it.

[Luke Burbank]

I know it's confusing.

[Andrew Walsh]

And so, no, I don't have a take other than like, whatever is the most convenient. But I was going to say, like, obviously, I know you are somebody who, like line of sight and view and curb appeal and all of these things are incredibly important to you. I mean, one of the last conversations we had on the show was about how, like, just for one night, you had to put a cinder block on a tarp to keep it from blowing away. And that blew up your dwell vision of your home for sleep 12 hours or whatever. So I know that the answer to this question is like, there's not a downside of keeping your garbage bin there because it's unsightly in any way in regards to either you, your view or people's view of your home. Right. So what are the. Are there any downsides of leaving it?

[Luke Burbank]

I hadn't thought of any until you just mentioned that it was unsightly. In other words, like, I think of it as being again. And it's just kind of slightly confusing because it's very hard to picture all of this. But I was just kind of like, I don't know, People kind of leave their bins out there sometimes for days at a time. It's not blocking anyone's view. And it's not. Not. It's. It's. If anything, like I said, the only person who would really note it would be me as I'm driving home. But it's also not really in front of my house. Like, so I think of this as being an elegant solution because it involves the same amount of walking that I'm already doing. But it takes away this one bad outcome, which is I forgot to move the garbage can from its temporary or from its, you know, regular home to its on the day that the garbage goes out home up by the mailbox, which is huge.

[Andrew Walsh]

But also, I would say the advantages don't you kind of. This is maybe rich coming from me, but, like, I don't really enjoy the experience of rolling bins around.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't.

[Andrew Walsh]

I find them to be very awkward. You have to make sure you don't accidentally hit the back of your ankles as you're dragging it. If it's raining out, you might like, kind of angle it and then water's gonna potentially could like, kind of spill off into your shoes or whatever. Like, I think that as much as I'm obsessed with it, I don't enjoy the activity of rolling these big bins around. So that's a second. Second in the plus.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Particularly when the weather is lousy as it is this time. Of year, I guess. So I, I thought of this as the perfect solution or at least a great bit of efficiency. Although I guess what it would. I guess it would be possible that my neighbors. Because the, the cluster of mailboxes is three. I think it's three or four mailboxes. So in other words, where my garbage bin would be living now permanently would be next to where three or four of my neighbors have to go and get their mail, you know, on a daily or every few days basis. So I guess if enough time went by and somebody was like, I don't like looking at that garbage can every time I come over to the mailboxes, that maybe would be the one downside. But this is a very, I have to say it is a very chill. Well, other than my neighbor Brian getting mad at me once years ago, this is generally a very chill area. Like, I haven't had any run ins with anyone. Nobody seems that hung up on, you know, I don't know, it's not the kind of place where someone's coming over and going like, what are you doing with your garbage cans right now? There's no sort of HOAs here. There are no rules about what people can do. And everyone just seems to kind of live and let live.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

So I don't, I don't see my neighbors getting kind of mad about it. But I guess that would be the one downside would be if somebody somewhere felt that it was as the youth now say non aesthetic. Have you heard about this whole thing about just the way that the term aesthetic has just like in rapid sequence has like, it's totally just like evolved into a completely different word for people under the age of 30.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I mean, that's a word that you and I talk about a lot. And I struggle with, with my latent lisp. But it's also a word that is an important word in the dictionary. I feel like there's not a lot of other words to kind of talk around it or replace it with. So are people bastardizing it or what?

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I mean, I'm just looking up the exact definition of it and aesthetic. I've also always struggled with aesthetic as far as like exactly the right context to use it in. But it's become a very, very big word for people under the age of 30. Like something being non aesthetic or something being aesthetic. But then I saw somebody post on TikTok the other day, like they were so bummed. They were like all these pictures of me got taken when I was. Before I was aesthetic almost like it's a verb.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, that's, yeah, still natural.

[Luke Burbank]

Which I guess the adjective of it is concerned with beauty or the appreciation of beauty. But I've seen a couple of think pieces about how the word aesthetic now amongst the younger folks has just kind of become a catch all for anything having to do with how you look or how something looks or if it's, if it is or is not aesthetic or if a person is aesthetic. It seems like it's kind of become like it's really broadened the use of the word, which again, we always kind of come back to this. If the people that you're talking to know what you mean when you use a word, then in a way that word is functioning, you know, properly. Or at least that's what the idea of language is, to tell people things. And if what you're saying is telling someone something, then it's sort of fine. But it's, it's funny that word of all words has really taken off.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, it sounds like, and I'm only hearing this from you, but if I can interpret what you're saying, that's all you need. And this is going to take it to a really interesting place, which is diagramming sentences. But it seems like it went from being a noun, which is what is the aesthetic here? What is the, what is the vibe? What is the aesthetic? What is the, what are you putting out there? How does it look? It's like it's a noun, an aesthetic. And it sounds like kids are now using it as an adjective. This was before I was aesthetic, which is not how traditionally how that word is used. I'm not putting judgment on that. But it sort of sounds like I went from a noun to also being used as an adjective Now.

[Luke Burbank]

You're exactly right. How aesthetic. Here's from npr. How aesthetic became an adjective.

[Andrew Walsh]

Look at me. I should get, I should work in public radio.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, and it's funny. The person being interviewed is Shane o'. Neill. It's you. Sorry, Andrew.

[Andrew Walsh]

Sorry, who is it?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, it's just somebody named Shane o' Neill who I know from. Wait, wait, don't tell me. Shane o' Neill's a Washington Post kind of style correspondent. But yeah, so there's a little bit of confirmation. I'll everybody go. If you want more on this, go to npr.org and listen to the All Things Considered interview with Shane o'. Neill. But yeah, I've been noting that because again, I spend too much time looking at TikTok, which is a real hotbed for this kind of morphing of the term aesthetic.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah. But anyway, so back to your bins. Although it sounds like you wanted to wrap up there, so are there any. The only downside you can see would be if a neighbor gets annoyed. But you could also just sort of be open to that criticism. And if somebody absolutely shows it to you, then you'll change it. But, like, aside from that, it sounds like job done, right? Like, there's no.

[Luke Burbank]

I think so I'm gonna try it out. I'm gonna see how it goes. I mean. Yeah, the only thing about the neighbor situation around here is we don't have like a neighborhood newsletter or whatever. You know, you guys seem to, in your hood have like a little bit of a sort of communication framework that doesn't really exist here so much. I mean, I have my. My immediate neighbors, Brian and Bob, we've got each other's phone numbers, so we'll kind of. I'll text back and forth with them about stuff, but the rest of the neighborhood, it's just kind of on a waving basis. It's just kind of on a. Like you give them a wave when you're, you know, driving and they're kind of out mowing their lawn or whatever. So it could be if somebody got mad or was annoyed, it could simmer for a while because, like, you know what I mean? And the people that would potentially get mad, if anyone would, would be the people whose numbers I don't have. So. But yeah, I may give it a try because again, it removes.

[Andrew Walsh]

You could put your name or address on it, I suppose, or. This doesn't really solve anything, but I like the idea of googly eyes. What about just getting yourself a couple of big ass googly eyes and sticking out of the top of that thing?

[Luke Burbank]

I think that might lighten it a little bit. Anthropomorphize to the bin.

[Andrew Walsh]

I just feel that it'll. It'll go over easy, easier with everybody if they're looking at a bin with big googly eyes.

[Luke Burbank]

So you're saying make it more aesthetic. You're saying aesthetic it up. Aesthetic up my bin.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's what I'm saying. Thank you, baby.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, let's take a moment to thank some of our donors. These are the exceptionally generous, thoughtful, and honorable people who are donating their own hard earned money to tbtl. And that is the business model for this thing. The show would not exist without the kindness of folks like Tyler Fornia, who's in Lake Stevens, Washington.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, you've clocked some time in Lake Stevens. Have you?

[Luke Burbank]

Not sure. Have. Back in the olden days, because of my friendship with Kamaru Kev and also basically JD from the Stack of Dimes podcast who are from Lake Stevens. In the early days of our friendship, I feel like we would go to Lake Stevens a lot. I don't think. I don't think that Kamaru Kev was actually. I don't think he was, like, living with his parents when we met, although it's possible. I mean, we were, like, 21, so that's crazy to think about that. Like, we were so young when we met that it was totally possible that, like, that's why I was going to Lake Stevens, because that's where Camaro lived, because that's where Pat and Dale lived now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Is that the Vikings? Is it the Lake Stevens Vikings?

[Luke Burbank]

That sounds familiar. That sounds familiar.

[Andrew Walsh]

Anyway, go, you Vikings. And thanks to you. Thank you very much, Tyler.

[Luke Burbank]

Thanks, Tyler. Thanks to Eleanor McNeil, who's in St. Francis, Wisconsin.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, how religious. Thank you, Eleanor.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, thanks, Eleanor. Lisa Arboleda is in Camas, Washington. I know where Camas, Washington is now that I'm a Southern Washington resident.

[Andrew Walsh]

Tell me exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

It is exactly on the right. I say that I'm in Southern Washington. Camas is really in Southern Washington. It basically looks across the Columbia river at Oregon and has a lovely little downtown area, the Safeway. Lisa, if you're ever visiting the Safeway in Camas and you're admiring the signs on the gas station, just know that Walt B. Put those up.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. I want to tell you something I learned something about, and I want to. I'm trying to figure out if I'm doxing somebody by saying this, because I don't think the property is in the family anymore. But. But I was talking to somebody, a very close family friend over the weekend or the holidays or something, and I didn't know that she grew up in Iowa. And she was telling me how she grew up there, and they still go back there from time to time to vacation in the summertime at a lake or something like that. And we were just kind of BSing about it, and she mentioned that she grew up in Iowa and that her dad was a farmer and they had this big plot of land or whatever. And then she just mentions that, and I'm gonna mess up his name. But the boxer, Rocky Marciano. Okay, that's a boxer, right? Am I saying the last name correctly?

[Luke Burbank]

I believe so.

[Andrew Walsh]

Marciano, I think. Anyway, he died in an airplane crash. I did not realize that, but he died in an airplane crash on her family's property. Or I think maybe right on the.

[Luke Burbank]

Very border into the property.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And like. Or maybe right on the very border. So that it was partially in her family's property and partially in another family's property or something like. And I found that to be incredibly shocking. I also found it to be shock. I don't know why I was so shocked, but I also was shocked to learn that it was also just, like, two hours away from where, like, Buddy Holly.

[Luke Burbank]

And I was gonna say the Big Bopper.

[Andrew Walsh]

The Big Bopper, where that crash was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

The Midwest was a rough time, I think, for plane crashes in, you know, probably inclement weather and all of that.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm guessing weather. So both of these crashes happened about two hours away from each other. The. The Big Bopper one, like, isn't really related to the story. But what I found fascinating about it was after I talked to this person about it and she was telling me about that, I was, like, so fascinated. But then I was also like, oh, well, then I can go on Google Maps right now and just see exactly where you lived, or what. So I, like, looked it up. Because you can go on Wikipedia and look up his plane crash, and it'll give you an actual longitude and latitude. Right? Latitude, longitude, attitudes and longitudes. I can't remember is fat.

[Luke Burbank]

Latitudes go like. And longitudes go like, up and down.

[Andrew Walsh]

But what about attitudes?

[Luke Burbank]

It's all about attitudes and latitudes.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's what I'm saying. But anyway, I just. This story clearly has no power out other than it was interesting. That kind of. That fact got stuck in my head. So later on, I was like, well, let me just go on Google Maps. And then with the technology, you can kind of walk around a little bit. Right. With the street view. Now, you couldn't get very close to this particular thing because it's very rural area. But it was fascinating for me to say, like, okay, well, I've literally pinpointed exactly where this all happened. Happened.

[Luke Burbank]

Now, what's confusing about it, too, is there was a Rocky Marciano, who you're talking about, who died in the 1969 Newton, Iowa, crash, as it's Luton on Wikipedia. And he was apparently undefeated at the time. But then you've also got Rocky Graziano. So you got a Rocky Marciano, but then there was a different guy named Rocky Graziano who was the subject of the Paul Newman film Somebody Up There Likes Me, which is a pretty famous film of the 1950s. But then you've Also got Rocky Balboa, which is the Sylvester Stallone movie, which is not the same as somebody up there likes me. I mean, it's a wholly fictionalized kind of boxing movie. But, like, I feel like we got too many boxing Rockies for me.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's confusing. Yeah. Well, I wonder. So is Rocky Balboa. Did he choose that name for this fictionalized thing because it's a bit of a composite, maybe, or. I mean, it is a great boxing name.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Rocky Balboa.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, just Rocky. Anybody named Rocky?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I don't know if I could. If I don't think I would live up to the ideals of being named Rocky. I don't think I would live up to the toughness.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it looks like. So Rocky Marciano, if I'm saying his name right. You said Marciano, so maybe that's right. But it sounds he was born Rocco, so his actual given name is Rocco. And if you're naming your kid that, you're probably preparing them for. For a lifetime of boxing.

[Luke Burbank]

Now, the surname I'm. Now I'm reading from the Rocky Balboa Wikipedia page. Okay, so let's see the inspiration for the name. So this is the Sylvester Stallone character. Right. The inspiration for the name, iconography, and fighting style came from the boxing legend Rocky Marciano.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Although his surname, coincidentally, also resembled that of middleweight boxing champion Thomas Rocky Graziano Barbella. Oh, just saying. There's a lot of. There's a lot of Rockies out there, and they're all involved in boxing for some reason. Thank you again, Lisa. And thanks to Kyle Burroughs, who's in Auburn, Washington.

[Andrew Walsh]

Ooh, Kyle. Rocky Burrows.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, you know what? I do think that Greg the Mut Haugen was from Auburn, Washington. Greg the Mut Haugen was a. Was a famous Northwest boxer who passed away last year, but who. Who I remember hearing he would call in. He really was, I think, from Auburn, Greg the Mudhaugen. I remember he used to call in to Sportsline with Wayne Cody when I was a kid and like, talk about his upcoming fights and stuff. Then we also had a boxer in the Northwest named Vinnie Panzienza, who was known as the Panzmanian Devil.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's great.

[Luke Burbank]

Vinny the Panz. The Pazmanian Devil. Vinny Pezienza. I only knew about these guys. I didn't watch boxing. I couldn't follow it. But I just knew they would call in on, like, a desolate Thursday night on Sportsline and just be, like, talking to Wayne Cody and just be clear.

[Andrew Walsh]

Wayne Cody that was a local sports broadcast, right? Yeah. That's incredible.

[Luke Burbank]

They were just like the guys that were from. There was all this weird sports stuff that would happen. Like they would have a guy named Gary, Gary something. He would call in with the Longacres report. Longacres being the, the horse track before it was called Emerald Downs, before they built a new one and called it Emerald Downs. And I just remember this guy Gary would call in from Longacres like every night and just like be talking endlessly about all the horrors. Because Wayne Cody now just for people that don't know, and I'm pretty sure that Gabrielle Hung in Boston, Massachusetts knows about this because Gabrielle is listening to her. She's donating to the show. She knows the history of this, the time slot that TBTL occupied in its radio days. But like when I was a little kid, I would listen to 7:10am from, from 7 to 10 at night, from 7pm to 10pm I would listen to a show called Sportsline with Wayne Cody. And I just loved it. I would just play it all the time. But it was like a five nights a week, three hour sports show. And it was like there probably wasn't enough to talk about, particularly in the like, you know, the doldrums of the winter time. That's when they would do Hot stove league about the Mariners. The Mariners would just be so bad every year. It's like, like, how are we going to get three hours out of talking about the Mariners off season Moves under ownership by George arose, like just. It was rough. And then you had Wayne Cody who really redefined being checked out as a host. He, because he was also. He owned a restaurant in Linwood called Cody's. He was famous for his womanizing, his gambling and his kind of just like Chad, he was just like a. He was a man of large carriage who just like would apparently just. He had huge appetites in every sense of the word. And like he was also the TV sports guy on Cairo tv. So he would be kind of like doing his sports line thing before he sauntered over the station to do his TV hit at 11. Like he was really living it up.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hold on, hold on. I, I've gotta, I gotta play the.

[Luke Burbank]

The fact that you haven't encoded, so to speak, some Cody.

[Andrew Walsh]

I haven't come across any Cody at all.

[Luke Burbank]

Show up your alley, dude.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is Cairo's Wayne Cody, broadcast retirement in Seattle. This is a TV feature from Lake Union, 1996. Say goodbye to Wayne. Oh, listen to those chairs. Here he is, the man of the hour. Thank you.

[Luke Burbank]

Bud.

[Andrew Walsh]

How are you? Boy, this is fun. I know. It's cold out here. Next time I retire, I'm gonna retire in the middle of July when it's nice and warm. We've been here since 5 o' clock and we've had hundreds of people come by, and it's like 40 degrees, people are honking their horns, and I feel like it's a, you know, a charity going on here. But it's just retirement day, and I'm happy about it. Everybody's trying to make me sad, and I'm not. I'm gonna have a great time. You're not gonna miss all of us? I'm gonna miss you all. But then I can watch you on television, listen to Bill and Jane and all my friends on radio, and I can sit at home in my BVD's all day and just eat my good tuna salad on my diet. Okay, I'll try not to imagine that. Now, what is this? Are you signing these? Oh, yeah, I'm signing them. I'll sign one for you. Will you? Oh, yes. Yeah. Let's go see what some of these folks have to say.

[Luke Burbank]

These.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hi there. How are you? This is the Karen Cam. By the way, do you know what the Karen Cam is?

[Luke Burbank]

No.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I'm assuming this woman's name is Karen the. She must have been a part of the 7 Live team. Her name?

[Luke Burbank]

Mary Rache.

[Andrew Walsh]

And you say you watch Wayne for a long time? Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Ever since he first came here with the Seattle Sounders, he always devoted equal time to the different sports.

[Andrew Walsh]

A lot of the others would when they had an overlap, you know, especially.

[Luke Burbank]

Baseball and soccer, they'd always go baseball and forget the Sounders, where Wayne tried to make it more equal, and I've always appreciated him for that.

[Andrew Walsh]

What's your name? The original Sounders. That's interesting, too. And the long tradition of people who follow soccer feeling like they're just not feeling slighted, just feeling slighted. That is the. The number one characteristic of a soccer fan.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, the thing was, it was crazy and full circle that many years later when I got hired, Jen Andrews and I got hired by Cairo Radio, which at the time was Only on the AM dial, 7:10am they were hiring a replacement show for whatever. You know, there had been many iterations of different things, but we took over the Sportsline time slot. We took over from 7 to 10pm and then ultimately the Andrew Walsh show would also live 7 to 10pm well.

[Andrew Walsh]

That is how most people. That is how most people Remember that time slot?

[Luke Burbank]

Certainly by the time you were doing the Andrew Walsh show, were they still simulcast. Are they still, to this day simulcasting? If we go.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, 7:10am no, that's a sports station now.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, duh.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Yeah. That's the station I listen to almost all the time. That's the local sports. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

There was this period of time where we were on 7:10am and 97.3, as they were. But when we started, the very first broadcast of TBTL was strictly on the AM radio, which is, like, wild to think about.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's funny. I mean, it's not interesting, but I will say it. I was listening. I mentioned to you that I was listening to 7:10 this morning, and they were just reminiscing. Brock and Salk were reminiscing about, first of all, what a great sports season. This, like, literally, we just. If you're looking at football and baseball and I don't know what happened with the other sports, but with football and.

[Luke Burbank]

Baseball talking almost not at all about.

[Andrew Walsh]

The Sounders, I realize I'm really stepping into here. My apologies for not following the other sports more closely. I don't know what the storm did this year. But anyway, if you're talking football and baseball, like, it's the most successful Seattle sports season in memory. Right. Like, two division titles, like, that's never happened in the same year before, I guess, but they were. But Brock and Salk were saying, yeah, it wasn't like 2008. And they went over what happened in 2008 or something. Like, I remember them saying the Huskies were windless, were winless, the Tyrone Willingham era. Oh, you remember that? And then also, like, whatever, like, I guess the Seahawks maybe won four games. The Mariners were just miserable or whatever. And one of them, Baracker Salk, said, boy, that was a strange year to decide to start a. A sports station. And so that was 2008. So. And you guys were started on the radio in 2008. So you must have. You were talking kind of about that exact era of when it was transitioning over from that simulcast. You guys were just talk radio then they simulcast it a while, then eventually, I guess. Mike wasn't the original program director, was he? Mike Salk? I don't know. But whatever. They decided to start a sports station there during that absolute miserable time of Seattle sports. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, the only things good that happened in 2008 was the election of Barack Obama and the founding of tbtl.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's absolutely right. Which by the wait, holy shit, is today the anniversary of tbtl. Oh, wait, wait a second here. I got on my calendar. It's coming up. No, Wednesday. Oh, Wednesday is. Let's see. So this coming Wednesday, we gotta do something special. 1-7-18. Well, it's January 7, 2008. That's all I know. I'm not gonna do the math here because it will be rough stuff.

[Luke Burbank]

I've already done too much math in my. How many steps takes for me to take my garbage out.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Well, that's exciting. And nobody's more excited about it than Kendra Peterson of Seattle, Washington. I wouldn't be shocked to hear that Kendra was listening on day one of TBT Low those possibly 17, possibly 18 years ago. Coming this Wednesday because that's been one of the amazing things about our, our listeners and our supporters is just like how long running the relationship is. I had my. I sort of call him my nephew. It's Becca's nephew, Alexander, who came over to hang out a little bit while I was on my break. And like he is just. I mean he is a certifiably brilliant 13 year old. Like the kid is off the charts in terms of his sort of intelligence, but also in terms of his just kind of like, like he's also a very like fun to talk to. Like sometimes a kid can get real smart and let's just say it's, it's not great for the kid. Like, you're very smart, but you're also like a little bit annoying to be around. He is so. Not that it's amazing. This kid is just like he said, he's a very exceptional kid. But he was. Because they came out here and he was looking around the studio and he had so many questions about tbtl. He was, his mind was absolutely blown at how long we had been doing the show and about the fact that it's supported by the donors and that it's voluntary and like, you know, but this is a business model that works.

[Andrew Walsh]

So did you get him to kind of sign up for baby letter?

[Luke Burbank]

And then eventually it starts with. Yeah, it starts with getting him interested in the show and then it moves on to, well, you know, donors are how this can happen.

[Andrew Walsh]

Get him on the email list. That's important.

[Luke Burbank]

Get your mom's credit card. Huh?

[Andrew Walsh]

That's the.

[Luke Burbank]

And read me the number over the phone.

[Andrew Walsh]

We need that security code, sweetie.

[Luke Burbank]

That's phase. Don't forget the back. Those three little numbers on the back. Alexander. That's the important part.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's where the money is.

[Luke Burbank]

Is that's right. So we're on step two and we'll get him to step three pretty soon, I think. So. Thank you to all of the other donors that we mentioned today who have moved on to step three and are making TBTL possible. We could not do this without you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hello and welcome to Top Story.

[Luke Burbank]

I had something happen when I was flying home from visiting Addie in LA for Christmas, which, by the way, was really fun. Although, boy, was the weather ever lousy down there. It was like everywhere I went, there was an atmospheric river.

[Andrew Walsh]

I had heard about flooding. I was texting with our friend Kat, and I was in such a, I guess, a news blackout that I didn't realize that they were dealing with some real flooding down there.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it was. It was. It was wet. And I'm kind of a bummer because, like, that had been the case in Washington and Oregon. And then I'm getting on a plane, I'm going to California to see my kid for Christmas. I'm like, well, this will be nice. I'll get a little. Catch a little sunshine, catch some rays. And it's like, no, Nope. Also going to be torrentially raining down here. I got to see our friend Leni.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, nice.

[Luke Burbank]

She had the. I hope it's okay for. She's been posting about this, but, like, she had the most interesting gig going in la, which is like, there's this whole Gilmore Girls experience that goes on. I think it's on the set where they actually filmed the TV show. And. And so they bring in all of these performers to kind of like do reenactments and. And kind of make this whole immersive experience. I think it's on the Warner Brothers lot or something where it's like you get to live in Gilmore Girl town. And Leni was like a traveling troubadour within the world of this. So she's walking around with a guitar and a harmonica and she's playing songs. Some of them related to Gilmore Girl, some of them not, I guess. Anyway, so anyway, that was fun to see Leni, but so I had a nice time. And then it's time to fly home. And I'm playing that game that I always do where it's like, am I going to get upgraded or nothing? Not. And I'll mention it's pretty short flight from this was I was flying out from LAX back to Portland. So my level of concern, my level of anxiety around if I'm getting upgraded or not is directly related to how long the flight is. If it's a Two hour flight, I don't care very much. You know, it's, it's going to be over quickly if it's cross country, if it's a six hour flight, then it certainly improves the experience to get to be up there in first class. So this was a flight I was pretty zen about. I was in coach, but I was in an exit row which is, I've often said that the, that the front of Coach Row 6 is the first class of coach, but I would add the exit row is also kind of.

[Andrew Walsh]

The first class of coach, even maybe more so now.

[Luke Burbank]

Arguably more so.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think they rearrange things. I used to want the bulkhead all the time too. Now I think, yeah, they even charge you more to be a hero who takes a emergency roast.

[Luke Burbank]

It does involve embarrassing public speaking, which is you have to say yes, you have to give a verbal confirmation in front of God and everyone on the plane that you are willing to open the door if you need to. And as I've said before on the show many times, that is the most nervous I get for public speaking.

[Andrew Walsh]

Your voice.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm just always like, okay, it's, it's three people away from me. It's two people away from me. It's one person. It's now, yes, yes. It's like so much stress. But anyway, so I was like, cool. I mean, I'll take it. Like I'll take the exit row on a two hour flight. I'm good, I'm set. But then, and I didn't get upgraded and it was something kind of like seemed a little funky with it because there was a person ahead of me and I could see, you can see a little bit of information about the other people that are on the wait list. Right. So the person that was ahead of me had a sort of a specific first three letters of their last name. And then there was a person a couple of spots back who had the same last name, if that makes sense. So those people were clearly together and in fact, actually maybe what it was. No, I'm sorry. I think I was first on the upgrade list and there was two people behind me that had like a specific kind of thing going on with their last name. And I've been in this situation with Becca before where I've booked our tickets together and what happens is if you're the person that's got all the like status and stuff and you're flying with like a partner or spouse or whatever, a kid, kid, if you get lucky, and there are like two seats available, maybe Both of you will get upgraded. But if only one is going to get upgraded, you'll actually miss out because they don't want to separate you. And that's also just generally how I feel like I'd rather just stick around in coach or have me and Becca both get upgraded rather than just one of us goes up there or just I go up there. So what was kind of weird was I saw these last names. I was like, oh, those two people are together, but I bet you they're not going to. To get two seats. So probably it'll end up being me. I end up being. When the flight is. Is boarding, I'm like, the. I'm still on the upgrade list, but those two names are gone. Those two names have somehow moved up. I was like, huh? All right, well, who cares? Whatever. Short flight. So I'm now in line, and I look up at the reader board, and would you believe at the 11th hour, they have actually upgraded me to first class. I'm in seat 1F, which. Which is my very favorite seat up there at the front of the plane. It's the bulkhead of the front of the plane. I mean, it is. It doesn't get other class. It is the first class of first class, my friend. Like, it's you. You are on a window, but you also. The person next to you does not have to get up in order for you to use the restroom. You're the first row of people that the flight attendants talk to. So if they're running out of the good food, they'll probably still have some. When they're talking to you, it's like. Like everything's coming up Millhouse. And so I just remember being like, oh, that was kind of cool. I was not expecting that, but I will absolutely take it. So I get on the plane and I put all my luggage up in the sort of. Oh, that was another thing. I wasn't checking any luggage for this trip. So I've got, you know, my suitcase and other stuff, but it's all with me. So I put that all up. I get seated and listen, I'm going to be honest with you. If you're a person that flies and you are, generally speaking, not in first class, which is most of us, let's be honest. There is that moment of boarding the plane, particularly if you've got kind of a crummy seat where you're walking past all the people in first class as you go towards coach, and you just kind of like, eat the rich. Yeah, a hundred percent. And that's my feeling on the many, many times when I'm not in first class, which is still the majority of the time, I'm like, I'm like, these people are so freaking smug up here in first class. As I go back to, you know, steerage. And let me just tell you, as a person who's sometimes in first class, you're right, we are smug. I feel qualitatively different as a person when I'm in first class. I feel like all my life decisions have been good and I feel like everything is working for me. There's something about sitting up there, as you know, everyone else is getting packed like sardines into the back of the plane that does make me feel superior. I wish it didn't. Maybe now that I'm a Buddhist, as of this morning, maybe 2026 Buddhist Luke will not feel that way. But 2025, flying home from LA, Luke, I have to admit, he felt that way. And I'm chatting with my neighbor who also, I notice is a higher class person than the person I'd be talking to and coach. It's just everything is just a little more elegant up there. And so they get the entire plane boarded. And it was one of those flights where, you know, the thing that's sometimes off with the like temperature on the plane when it's just sitting, hasn't pulled back yet. Like they're not running the engine on it, so there's no, like the air's not moving. It's a particularly warm kind of moment on this airplane. I'm sitting there, I'm waiting for us to push back. I don't have a care in the world. And one of the gate agents comes down, this kid, he's like in his 20s, comes down and he's got a ticket printed out. And he's talking to the, one of the flight attendants and they're talking and they're of kind, kind of pointing in the general direction of the part of the plane I'm on. But I'm not thinking too much of it. I've got my headphones in, whatever. And then the guy comes over and in my opinion, with not enough apology in his voice, says, we had a paying customer. This is the exact term. He's holding a ticket to show me something. It's a printed out ticket and what it says on it is Canada Air, by the way, it doesn't say Alaska Airlines has something to do with a connecting flight. And it's got whatever the. It's got a Sharpie has crossed out what the Seat assignment is supposed to be on this Canada Air ticket. And it's written my seat 1F is written by hand on the ticket. And the guy says to me, there was a paying customer who needs your seat, so we need you to move back to coach. And I was like, oh, okay, well, can I go back to my old seat? And he goes, what was your old seat? And I was like. Like it was the exit row. And he goes, it's like scrolling through. He's like, no, no, that seat's gone.

[Andrew Walsh]

Can I interrupt for one quick second here? Did you say you're talking to somebody who handles luggage about all of this?

[Luke Burbank]

No, the gate agent.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, the gate agent.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

For some reason, I don't know why I. I was picturing somebody. I. I thought part of the story was that this wasn't a usual person you'd interact with. Okay, so this is the gate. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

The person who, like, loads you on.

[Andrew Walsh]

But they're not going to stick, or this is somebody who's not going to be sticking around for the flight. It's not one of the. Okay, gotcha.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. They're also the person who essentially told me, through the magic of the computer, like, they're the team. They are representing the team that told me that I should go seat. Sit in seat 1F. You know what I mean? Like that.

[Andrew Walsh]

And.

[Luke Burbank]

But they're also not the people that will be flying on the plane with me. And again, he comes down and a couple things I didn't love about the interaction. Again, not enough apology in his voice. Not enough like, hey, I am so sorry. This really sucks, but we had a computer glitch and now we need to evict you from your seat. I didn't love his general tone. I really didn't love that he said, we have a paying customer who needs us. As if I'm not a paying customer. As if I. As if I bestow away on the plane. And then the fact that he had given no thought to where my new seat in coach was going to be. They had given away my old seat. They had given away my exit row of coach, which was a seat that I was.

[Andrew Walsh]

Was.

[Luke Burbank]

I didn't have any problem being in that seat the whole time. But now that was gone. And he didn't seem at all upset about the fact that they had given away my other seat and that my new seat, Andrew, was like, row 22, middle. That was my new last. That was my new seat. And what I had to do was stand up and get all of my. As the the entire plane is boarded now. We are sitting there, and I had to get all my stuff. And in front of everyone on the plane, I have to wheel all of my stuff, wheel my luggage and all my bags all the way to the back of the plane and try to find some new home for my luggage and stuff.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah, after they probably already done.

[Luke Burbank]

That thing, of course, and looked like I got caught, what, trying to sneak into first class. There's, like, no obviously explanation to the passengers on the flight of what's going on now where we, like, ripped this guy out of first class and had him on this, like, you know, sort of walk of shame to the back of the plane. And also throw into that, I am now sweating profusely because it's about a million degrees on the flight and I'm super embarrassed. And he says to me kind of casually, as he's again, without enough apology in his voice, moving me back to the. The back of the plane, middle seat, he says, well, I'll put a note in the file and you can call them and try to get a refund. You can call them and get a refund for your flight. So I had that in my head. I was like, well, this kind of sucks, but, I mean, I guess if I get the flight for free, that'd be kind of nice. So anyway, I do the walk of shame back. I somehow miraculously managed to find some place to stuff all my luggage and like, sit down in this middle seat between these two nice people, where, of course, they're also bummed because they thought that a minute ago, they thought they were going to have that. That rarest of experiences where there's no one in the middle seat. Everybody feels better about that. But no, there is me, and I'm sweating profusely, and I'm like, hi, everyone. And like, so. And I finally, by the way, the end of the story is I finally get home and like, a day or two later, I call Alaska Airlines to see about getting the refund on my flight. And guess what? That guy has not in any way noted this in the file. I mean, are you shocked to hear nobody knows anything about this? This is news to customer service. So the guy, and I'm going to blame him, the guy who somehow allowed me to get upgraded to first class, somehow allowed my coach seat to be given away, somehow, then made the executive decision to take me out of first class, somehow failed to notify Alaska Airlines that this whole thing went down into that was kind of embarrassing and kind of a mess up on their Part.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do you think that he even had any intention of doing that or was.

[Luke Burbank]

Just saying, I don't think so. I am my current straight up lying.

[Andrew Walsh]

But just kind of like, yeah, we'll get you your money back. And then just. Was just saying it to smooth things over and didn't give it a nice.

[Luke Burbank]

And you know who was nice? The first class flight attendants who came and found me during the flight and were trying to give me free alcohol.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's.

[Luke Burbank]

That I declined on. But like, they were like, hey, were you the guy that was in first class? And I was like, yeah. And they were like, that was so bad. We're sorry. Do you want a free drink? And I was like, no, I'm good. And they're like, you sure? I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm fine. But it was like, at least some acknowledgement from them that I kind of gotten done dirty. But yeah, I don't think. And I will, by the way, probably see this kid again because I fly in and out of LAX fairly commonly. He's on my list, man.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, wait, what happened when you. When you went to try to get the money back? Did they.

[Luke Burbank]

Did.

[Andrew Walsh]

Was it just like kind of a pain in the ass, but you did get your money back or they're just like, no, we don't know what you're talking about.

[Luke Burbank]

I got a person on the phone who sounded like they were the Alaska Airlines phone equivalent of the guy I'd been dealing at at the gate in lax. Young, on a script, not particularly emotionally invested in the process. You know what I mean? Like, you can just tell almost from word one when you're talking to customer service if this person is going to be helpful or not. And I don't want to put it all on an age thing, but I do think there's a sort of generational component to it sometimes. So she was just kind of like, there was no record of this. Well, let me talk to my supervisor. But again, heavily on script, like, saying a lot more words than needed to be like, kind of like this, like, well, let me talk to my supervisor to see what Alaska Airlines will be able to do about your inconvenience that you recently went through. And we apologize for the inconvenience. But like, no, there's no heart behind it. There's no commitment. There's no, like, hey, you know what? Ah, boy, that sounds. Boy, that sounds embarrassing because I said I was like, the main thing about this was it was just really embarrassing to have to go to the back of the flight in front of everyone and also lose the seat I had that was better. Not to mention, by the way, they could have told whoever was on Canada Air, sorry, we gave your seat away, you have to go to coach and you should get a refund.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I guess they could have also done that difference. Right. And I need to kind of remember that because you were, you're. You're on the wait list because of your status level and everything. But other people just straight up out pay. And if you just straight out pay for that first class ticket, that gives you the priority.

[Luke Burbank]

I will say, like, when did they pay for that ticket? Like, did they pay for it five minutes ago? Like, the whole thing was a Michigan.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was their mistake. Yeah, the embarrassment part kind of surprises me. I thought the story was going to be like, and then you pouted or threw a fit and then. And now you regret. Like, I got to admit, like, I would be bummed. And again, you're lucky that it was just a two hour flight, not a flight to New York or something. I would be bummed. I mean, keep in mind, you're talking to a man who one time was sitting in the second to last row, soaking in the aroma of the bathrooms on the back of a plane, whose name got called up to first class. Andrew Walsh, we have a first class seat for you. I say goodbye to my compatriots at the back of the flight. I roll my bag all the way up to first class. There's a man sitting in the seat that they just told me that was now mine. And I said, you're in my seat. I was just called up here. He said, no, I'm in my seat. My name's Andrew Walsh. And I said, my name is Andrew Walsh. But this man was wearing clothes that indicated that it was obviously him who belongs in first class. He was a first class and not me. The fact that he had luggage and not a stick over his shoulder with a little handkerchief on the end of it really told me that he was certainly the Andrew Walsh they were talking about. But like that, and then having to roll all the way back to where I had come when I said, sayonara, suckers, I'm taking myself on a first class balloon ride. No, I was very. But I mean, the people almost applauded me when my name was called because we were so jammed back there, like. And even that was more funny.

[Luke Burbank]

One of these crabs got out of this bucket.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, right. And I had to go all the way back to my terrible, terrible seat because there was a better Andrew Walsh on the flight. That was a little embarrassing.

[Luke Burbank]

That's brutal. I forgot about that. And that is. I would put that right up there and maybe even higher, because this is kind of like striver. There's your kind of striving and then getting repelled.

[Andrew Walsh]

And keep in mind, I never assumed I would be in first class. I wasn't trying to get first class. It was just like a golden ticket, only I didn't even buy a chocolate bar.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. I did see somebody else do that. I think who might have been in first class was. They gave the flight. That was a big theme on a big plot on this show for many years with. Was giving the flight attendants chocolate that was purchased in the airport as a gesture to hope that they would then maybe sling you some free drinks or whatever on the flight. But no, yours. That's rough. What you described, I forgot about that. You're right. I internalize. This is a whole world that I overthink about. And whether it's about the upgrade or whether it's about what people's perception of me is, the walking back to the back of the. Basically having them come up and remove me from first class and send me to the back. It felt. It was a blow to my ego. That was. That was painful. And also, it was just the way it happened because it was like, I never asked for this. I mean, I kind of did. I was on the upgrade list, but, like, I would have been perfectly fine with. In fact, I wouldn't have loved it, but I wouldn't have even cared about being the middle seat in 22. Like, if that was the only seat that was left, it would have been like, I mean, I could have dealt with almost every version of this other than this one. And then. Which was. Was to be told, you should sit here. And then to be told, oh, actually, like, what I felt like happened was somebody. And what I really needed to do was get eyes on the person who took the seat from me. I would like to see what their vibe was. Because what I think happened was somebody read this kid the riot act. Because I just not. I've never seen this happen on a flight before where somebody is assigned a seat and then the plane is boarded and everyone is sat, and then they come up and they go, now you can't have that seat anymore. Like, the. The whole system is designed to keep that from happening. Like, if someone else was in line in front of me because if they had bought the ticket, then it's like, well, then they would have just been in line in front of me or that would have just been their seat. How that seat was given to me and then taken away from me. And the fact that 1F was written in Sharpie. I think that somebody possibly a Canadian ticket. Again, Canada Air was what was print on Blue Jays fan probably it may have been Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Could have been George Springer. Like I think that they.

[Andrew Walsh]

Alejandro Kirk.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh man, he doesn't even need first class. Alejandro Kirk could sit anywhere on that plane. His feet wouldn't touch the ground. This is my Aziz. I'm sorry.

[Andrew Walsh]

Can I jump on the chocolates thing? Because I was thinking about you and unfortunately, I don't know if a lot of people saw this hey Dummies video because I accidentally included it in a newsletter letter a couple of weeks ago that got flagged as phishing and spam for some reason. But you might recall this. I had an appointment to get my enhanced id, right? So this is for the Real ID act. In order to fly here in Washington state, our old driver's licenses don't work at the airport anymore. You need to carry either this enhanced ID license or your passport. And I've been using a passport, but I needed a new ID anyway. My old, old photo, my old address. Everything about my old ID sucked. So anyway, so I go in. But the first appointment I could get, if you'll recall, was I believe, 3:45 on Christmas Eve. So not even Christmas Eve, but like near the end of the workday on Christmas Eve. And I don't know if I had this notion when I was first telling you about this, but at some point I got the idea I should take them a gift. I should take them some chocolates or something, whoever it is. And so. But of course, I don't. I had this planned for weeks, but I don't think to go get the chocolate until Christmas Eve. And so I go to this chocolate place that I've used by my house before. Chocolaty. I want to say it is. And they're. The woman who runs it is a very, very sweet woman.

[Luke Burbank]

But wait, can I ask you a question?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Did you go to their. Do they have a retail location on Aurora or is that just a production facility?

[Andrew Walsh]

It's kind of. It's a retail location, very small little place, but it's not. Some of those places are coffee shops as well. This is not a coffee shop. It's just because I think there's maybe three or four around town. One in Wallingford. This is just a very small little chocolate shop that I Used to get some chocolate.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, you know what. You know, the production facility used to be my dad's business, Signworks.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, no kidding. Well, I don't think this would be the place. No, this is by. This is very, very. Well, it's very close to what we were talking about. Where the pharmacy used to be. Was it Bregman's Pharmacy?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it's between 77th and probably 7. 77th and 78th on Aurora.

[Andrew Walsh]

Maybe. Do you think that maybe it's. All I saw was the small shop, and in back of that or something, there's a big production facility because it didn't have to be.

[Luke Burbank]

I think what you saw was. Yeah, no, I think what I think. I think the setup there, the layout is. Sorry, this is so in the weeds. But it's interesting.

[Andrew Walsh]

If that's literally your dad's shop that I buy chocolate at.

[Luke Burbank]

I think that the. I think that the. Yeah. 7708 Aurora Avenue. So basically what you have is that where you went in and bought something. It used that used to be called Don's Group Attire. That used to be this. Because it's kind of like a long, narrow. Kind of like a narrow little like sort of. I don't you call it, you know, room thing in the building. That used to be called Don's Group Attire. That was where this guy, he had his little business. And that would be like. If you were like, you know, if you wanted. For your REMAX agents, if you want everyone to have matching blazers or something, you did it at Don's Group Attire. And he was this like, little old man with a comb over who just looked like a guy who ran a company called Don's Group Attire. He then moved his business somewhere else. And then my dad's partner, a guy named Jerry Lee, this sign painter guy, literally was living in there, which was not legal. That was like his apartment for years. And then next to it is where signworks was, which is a big. A much larger open kind of warehouse space. And so Chocolati, I think, has both spaces. So I think you went into where the retail is. But if you were to go next door, you would be in old Signworks, which is where they maybe make the chocolates.

[Andrew Walsh]

I just sent you a photo of the lobby of this place or like the little area where you go into shop, and you can see that they just took these display cases for chocolates and stuff and sort of blocked off the front. So it seems very small to me. But if you. But they're blocking off the rest of the building that I do not see. So you can see where it was.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, so if you went out the back. So if you went through the back.

[Andrew Walsh]

Door of this little building, were chasing me. If somebody were chasing me, I run in. I'm like, I need your back door.

[Luke Burbank]

And but you'd, you would, you would go, you would go through the back door and then you would be in a little kind of like enclosed loading dock area. And to your left would be the signworks production area, like the, the warehouse where like I would use the Burbank sawdust sucker where I would like vacuuming and sweeping up sawdust day and night. And if you went to your right, you would actually go into my dad's office which was exactly like this, really have a front door to Aurora. So where my dad's office was, which was like where the sign cutting computer was, that would cut vinyl letters and stuff and it had like the world's funkiest bathroom because there was zero feminine energy had ever entered this area. So it was like, there was like. It just smelled like burned coffee and guys who needed to visit the gastroenterologist. Anyway, so you went to Chocolate, so.

[Andrew Walsh]

I went to Chocolate. So all the point I go to Chocolati is closed. All of it is to say so. But I'm looking for a place to get some chocolates because now like my appointment is in a few hours and I'm like, well, I kind of give up and I'm kind of getting into my like this is the problem with Christmas, everything closes kind of mode. I didn't stay there for very long. I used to, I used to have that attitude for the entire holiday season when I was a younger, angrier man. But I'm like, oh, you know what, you know what's close to here is that fancy grocery store that I can't afford called pcc. Do we know what PCC stands for by the way? Yeah, I was wondering.

[Luke Burbank]

Full's Cooperative Co Op.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay. So it's like kind of a, it's like a nicer, you know, it's kind of an upscale, very small, the one on Aurora, but huge consumers Co Op really. Okay, but you know, so it's sort of that, that kind of vibe, like kind of a, an even maybe nicer Whole Foods or whatever. So I'm looking around in there to see if they sell chocolates and I'm picturing what I want. I don't want some elaborate, you know, like heart shape shaped box or something like that. I just want a little like kind.

[Luke Burbank]

Of what about edible underwear.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, So I was going to, I was looking for edible. That was next door to.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I'm sure you can find that on Aurora.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, you certainly can. I could draw you a map. But anyway, so I go into BCC and I feel like too many of my stories lately have been about what a cheapskate I am. But I grab a little box of. It's not seas chocolates, but it's another local brand chocolate maker and they have a little box of caramels and maybe there's like, I don't know, nine of them in there. It's like a perfect little, little square, right? And it's not too big. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna grab this. And I'm like, oh, well how much is it? It's like $45. And I'm like, I'm not spending $45 on nine caramels, you know, so then.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm looking at or God bless them, the dmv.

[Andrew Walsh]

For the dmv, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I also don't even know if they, you know, they might just take all. If anybody brings them food, which is probably pretty rare, maybe just throw it away anyway because can you trust the public? So anyway, so I look around and I see, well, they have these much smaller things. I mean, I'm like, it was like some sort of a, I don't know, peppermint chocolate thing, but it was some sort of fancy candy that is made locally. And I bought a box of four chocolates for $20 before tax. Genevieve ended up seeing it on the cruise. She's like, are you in love with somebody at the dmv? I'm like, no, it's all they had. But I did sort of in the back of my head.

[Luke Burbank]

What a great cover story by the way.

[Andrew Walsh]

For you.

[Luke Burbank]

Obviously. What is obviously an affair, obviously an affair.

[Andrew Walsh]

But I was sort of in the back of my head, head like I'm giving like each one of these little bite sized chocolates is $5. Like, you know, I only bought four. A package of four of them, I think or something. But it was a small little gift package. I'm like, well, this is the best I can get right now. If I had been, I feel like chocolati, I could have gotten some pretty nice stuff that I don't know when I buy it from the woman there, it's just, she's so sweet and she's always, well, it's a chocolate chef and it's just so nice and like kind of accommodating or whatever. And so I wish I had gotten my shit together. But I still went to the Washington Department of Licensing there in Shoreline, Luke. And I've got my little box of chocolates. And I'm like, so you didn't go to the.

[Luke Burbank]

What do you say? Shoreline, so. Because there's a green. Is the Greenwood one still there?

[Andrew Walsh]

That. I don't know. It was the one that was to get this enhanced license thing. So where it was was, you know, where like that Town and Country grocery store is. It's like where Greenwood and Aurora kind of meet in a weird angled way.

[Luke Burbank]

Totally.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I just.

[Luke Burbank]

No man's land.

[Andrew Walsh]

It is. And I'm starting to learn. But there's like a Chipotle there. So that's got. It's got an anchor Chipotle. But I'm starting to learn, like. And also I want to check out that Town and Country. We have a friend who works there now too. And so like, I'm kind of. I'm interested in that area. So anyway, that's where it told me to go at 3:45 on Christmas Eve. And I got into this, into the hey Dummies video because I wanted to record a before and after. So I'm in my car and I'm holding up the chocolates. I'm like, I'll see if the DMV people will take this. I go into this place, Luke, and I get there super early because I didn't want to be late. It had been on the calendar for so long. Long. I arrive at 3:30. I want to say. Let's say I get in the parking lot at 3:20. I do my little hey Dummies video. I go into the DMV at like 3:30. I still have 15 minutes before my specific time slot, right? And by the way, I'm confused why that's the time slot. Because I go in there. That was the first available, right? I go in there. It is empty. It is. Is just row after row after row of empty chairs. And all of the bank, you know, like all of the, like little teller areas. Maybe there's 20 of them. And they're all numbered where somebody can maybe help you. They're all empty. I go. And somebody greets me at the door and says, do you have an appointment? I'm like, yeah, for 3:45. But I'm early. And he's like, well, we're not really busy. He hands me a number. He hands me. He's like, when they call your number, go up to the that window. He Hands me the number. As he's handing me the number, they're calling my number. I go in there, and I did give her the chocolates. And the woman, she was a younger woman than me. I'm gonna put her in her maybe 30s or something. And she accepted the chocolates graciously, but not over the top. But she.

[Luke Burbank]

What was your rap like? What did you say as you handed her the chocolates?

[Andrew Walsh]

I said, hey, sweets. No, I went in there. I had all my paperwork, too, right. I was so nervous about rejected. So I go, I am in love with somebody at the dmv, and I want them to reject me, but I just did not want my paperwork to be rejected. But I go in and so I say, hey, I'm here. I'm early. I have an appointment at 3:45 Andrew Walsh. And I said, also, I think I just said, here, I got you this.

[Luke Burbank]

These.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, I do think I said fancy chocolates, because I think I wanted her to know that they were fancy. But what I liked about it was since I got at the grocery store, it was a sealed box. You know, there's no tampering or whatever.

[Luke Burbank]

And same for flights. That was one of the things when we were trying to bribe the flight. Always make sure that it's sealed. So they're not, like, smart.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. I didn't know you guys had talked about that. I remember that. But, you know, as a big listener at that stage when you guys were doing that. But what I liked about it was, so the size of the box of chocolates was like, I don't know, maybe the size if you were to put a cigar in a box. You know what I mean? So it's kind of a long, narrow box like this. And so I was glad that it was something that I could hand through the window pretty easily. I think there was glass between us. I can't remember. So I just sort of slid it through and just said, hey, since you had to. Since I made this appointment so late on Christmas Eve, I thought I would bring this for you guys. And I know I. Plural. Plural. That's smart.

[Luke Burbank]

I was wondering about that.

[Andrew Walsh]

So it didn't seem like kind of too creepy if she wanted to share it with her co workers or something. That was. And she said, oh, sweet. And then we just go on with our business. By the way, I got out of there in five minutes. I got out of there at 3:35, 10 minutes before my appointment was supposed to even begin. And I will say, when I was saying goodbye, I'd already forgotten about the chocolates. And she gestured, she said, oh, and thanks again. And she sort of held them up a little bit. And so I think that it did land. I don't think it. I didn't, you know, it wasn't transactional in that I got anything special. I don't think this woman would have given me any different service had I not showed up with chocolates. But I'm glad I did. It would seem like a nice little gesture at 3:45, or as the case may be, 3:30 on Christmas Eve.

[Luke Burbank]

And I guess, like, you know, the moral of the story is that there certainly probably are actually a lot of things like that, that if you. If you could do them on December 24th, like the place you don't want to be December 24th is like, where I was, which was the Crate and Barrel in Beverly Hills. That was an absolute mob scene because basically I was trying to get Addy this coffee machine called a Mocha Master. It was real jingle, all the doors. Andrew. Because earlier in the week, my holiday plans were a little unclear. But, like, eventually we. Because I didn't. Addie had some stuff going on. Then her plans changed, and then we ended up deciding, okay, I'm gonna go to la. And she really wanted this particular kind of coffee machine that's kind of all the rage right now called a Mocha Master. And I could not locate one of these things anywhere. I couldn't get it shipped to me in time. I couldn't find anyone that would ship it to the hotel in la. And I basically called, was calling around, and I found that the Crate and Barrel in Beverly Hills, California had literally one left. So I said, can I buy it over the phone and can you please, you know, store it away from me and then I'll come pick it up on December 24th when I arrive in LA. Woman said, sure. But she. I don't think she was trying to be a hassle, but she was like, the best way to do it is to go through the website and buy it and then make sure it's going to this store or whatever. Make sure it's the one you're buying it from this store. I was like, okay. So then I went onto the Crate and Barrel website. I did the whole thing. I bought it. And it was confusing, though, because I'd been on their website looking at so many different stores. Like, I was looking at the one near Portland, thinking maybe they'll have one and I could just fly with this coffee machine or something. So I get off the plane on December 24th. And like, I get in, I'm getting in an Uber and we're on our way to this Crate and Barrel, which is the opposite direction of my hotel. It's kind of far away. It's actually not a cheap Uber ride. So I figure I'm going to call this location and just triple check. They've got my thing. And I call them. And the guy that I get, it's like, we have no record of this. I was like, he was, yeah, we don't. What's your transaction number or whatever? I go, well, actually, I never got a confirmation from Crate and Barrel for this. He goes, yeah, we don't. I don't see that order anywhere. And I was like, well, I have, I can look at my credit card and I can see that I was charged by Crate and Barrel for this contract coffee maker. So I was like, so I know that I paid for it, so that indicates to me that it should be here. And he's like, yeah, we're looking around, I'm not seeing it. And. And then I was like, okay, really? Well, so then I, I get, finally get to the store and I go in and I'm like, I'm showing them my. That I have a charge for it, but we can't find them looking for it. And then finally I'm like, yeah, I made the. I, I made, I bought it online, but I bought it from this store. I was talking to someone. That's what she told me to do. And he goes, oh, oh, it was an online order. I thought you ordered over the phone. I was like, no, I phone. But ordering online is like, oh, that's a different area. So he goes, and he gets it. He finds it.

[Andrew Walsh]

How that was going to work out.

[Luke Burbank]

It was in the online whatever. But the other thing is, I had been. I had talked to somebody different on my phone call in the Uber on the way to the Crate and Barrel. Of the many things I was discussing with them, I was like, hey, can you gift wrap this? If I go, if we can find this box, can I get it gift wrapped? And the guy goes, the other person I was talking to on the phone says, we can either just put it in a Crate and Barrel box for free or we can wrap it, it's $20. I said, okay, well, let's just first see if we can locate this thing. So I get there. My point is that this Crate and Barrel was a Zoo at 4pm they probably closed at 5pm Christmas Eve Day. Everyone who's coming in is In a position panic. There's, like, the online order pickup thing, and everyone just, like, everyone's stress level in there is at 11 because it's the. It is literally the 11th hour for doing this kind of stuff. The workers are obviously burned out. I'm also assuming that the clientele at the Beverly Hills Crate and Barrel is especially chill. Especially chill about having their needs met. So these poor employees are just probably fried from just, like, dealing with entitled Beverly Hills Ian all, you know, for the last week, and I was trying not to be one of those people, but first of all, I get in there, and again, we cannot locate the package. And I'm like. And he's like, I'm sorry. I just. I don't think that the order went through. I was like, I know, but my. My credit card got charged, so I know that it was purchased. And we're going around and around. And then I finally. We figured out that, oh, the whole time they were looking in this other area over the phone purchases instead of. Instead of through the Internet purchases, and they locate it. So now the guy brings it back out. I was like, oh, this is amazing. Thank you. I go, well, now can I just go ahead and get the box? You know, I'll just take the free box to kind of, like, have something to present this to my daughter in. And the guy goes, oh, yeah, I don't. We don't have any boxes that are this big. And I was like, oh, well, the person on the phone said that we had. That you guys had boxes for this. He goes, I don't think we have boxes this size. I was like, okay, well, I guess I'll take the $20 gift wrap. And he goes, it's $30 for the gift trap. And I go, oh, on the phone on the way over here, he goes, oh. He goes, when did you hear it was $20? I go, 10 minutes ago in the Uber. And then finally I just went like, you know what? Let's just say the guy's name was Sam because he had a name tag. So it was. It went from like, sorry, sir, we don't have this order. You're wrong to like, oh, we do have the order. We were looking in the wrong place to. We don't have a box we can put this in. Even though the guy told a different guy, told me there was a box. Box to the gift wrap is actually $30, not $20 to, well, who. When did they tell you it was $20? And I was like, I felt this thing in my brain starting to Break. Where it was like I was going to have a classic holiday meltdown where it was just kind of like so much of this has been more of a hassle than it needed to be, my friend. Like, the fact that we couldn't communicate about where it was. The fact that there apparently aren't boxes. The fact that it's not $20, but it's in fact, 30. The fact that you're not just going to throw me a bone here and wrap it for $20. You don't even like Crate and Barrel. You work here.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, I wonder how much agency they have there. Because you want to talk about the total opposite end of this, and I'm sorry if I'm cutting you off. No, please.

[Luke Burbank]

That's most of the story.

[Andrew Walsh]

This. I mean, this is so, so silly. But I was at the pet store, you know, like petsmart or whatever is in my neighborhood, and we have a little toy for Bingo, which is pretty classic. It's like a plastic stick, right? And then you can screw on various toys on of that stick. We have one right now that's a bird that makes a kind of a squeaky sound when you. When you shake it. And he loves it, but he also loves to chew on the stick itself. And it's a plastic stick. It's not one of those nice little metal ones that whips around. It's a different kind of toy. All of that is to say Bingo is chewing on it. It loses its structural integrity. I can tell it's about to break. So I go to buy a new one. We buy a new one, I don't know, every few months or six months or so. And so I go to Petsmart. I buy one. It's literally $1.99, or at least that's. That's what it's marked as at the, you know, on the shelf. I buy it, I bring it home. I'm trying to take the sticker off it. By the way, why are we using nuclear grade sticky to put a price tag on a cat toy? It's unnecessary. It's like they have the tag wrapped all the way around it. You know, I hate sticky stuff. I hate stickers. My least, that's why I always have. I need a belt that always has a goo gone on it. So I'm, like, getting ready to, like, I'm taking off.

[Luke Burbank]

Goo Gone versus Goof Off. Off.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Goof off is strong company. No, I think Goof off is stronger. I think it's good for, like. I think it'll take. I think it's going to be more quick to take paint and stuff off as well. I have them both. I mean, you need them. You need them both. But anyway, so I'm actually taking the price tag off of this thing. I haven't gotten to the. The goof off part of the process yet, but as I'm taking it off, the top pops off. If you can picture it's just a shortish black stick, then on the very end is a little threaded little capper, right? And then you're going to screw the toy onto the thing. I didn't even buy the new toy. We had the toys. I just needed the stick. But the, the, the threaded capper that you would screw the toy on comes right off. And I'm like, well, this isn't going to be good for a cat who's going to be grabbing at it constantly like, it's totally useless. It's only $2. I don't really care. I'll just go buy another one. But I'll see if they let me return it. So. And I'm totally fine if they just say, hey, listen, you can't return this thing for whatever reason. But I had used Genevieve's loyalty card number or whatever. So when I go in, I'm like, hey, this is a new one. This is my old one. The old one's broken. Can I just swap this out? And I mean, I was hoping the guy would just say, like, sure, like, don't even look it up, right? And there's a line behind me. This is like two days ago. There's a line behind me. I'm just like, it's a two dollar thing. Just let me swap it out or tell me no and I'll buy. He's like, okay, let me look into your account. Then he finds it. He finds proof that I had actually bought this first one. And then he was fine. He wasn't like rude about it. He didn't seem super, you know, he was, whatever, he's fine. But then he's like, okay, I've swapped it out. And then he said. And I see as he's like marking my return or something, it was on sale or something. He's like, it says there's a 17 cent difference. So in other words, the one that I had bought might have been on a tiny markdown or something. So I now owed Petsmart 17 cents.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my God.

[Andrew Walsh]

In what world did this fella say? Does this fella not say? They say there's a 17 cent difference. Don't worry about it. Get out of here, kid. I like the cut of your jib. Instead, he just waits for me to pay.17 cents.

[Luke Burbank]

Don't spend all that free moolah in one place.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I'm like. And I didn't say anything about it. I was just like, okay. So then I'm like, do you take cash? I don't want to put 17 cents on my credit card for some reason, I guess I'm, um. So I gave him a dollar, and then I walked around the rest of the day with, like, tons of that purse jangling around in my pocket. So anyway, I made that longer than.

[Luke Burbank]

It needed to be. Well, no, but, like, also, is it possible to just remind me, did you have the receipt?

[Andrew Walsh]

I didn't have the receipt. I never take a receipt there because I always use a loyalty card number, and it's Genevieve's phone number. I don't. We might both have our phone number registered. It doesn't matter.

[Luke Burbank]

Sometimes I was wondering about this supposed discount, like, if it was one of those things where. Where he could actually observe that you had gotten it on sale.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that's a good point, too. Why wouldn't you just acknowledge the fact that this was a sale item that I bought that was defective? I wasn't returning it because I didn't like it. It was a defective item.

[Luke Burbank]

Right. And a lot of times, if you try to return something and you don't have the receipt, what they'll do, and let's say it's on sale or whatever. Like, sometimes if there's a discrepancy, but you don't have a receipt, they have to go with the cheapest price because they have to assume that you maybe bought it, like, for on sale, and they're not going to give you. You know, they're going to give you basically the lowest price that they've had offered of late. But anyway, that's. Yeah. That 17 cents is so weird. What a weird number. And, yeah, I mean, luckily, I was.

[Andrew Walsh]

Going in there with, like, absolutely no expectations. If you think about it, this $2 stick is less than half of one of the chocolates in the box that I gave the dmv. It's one bite. It's one bite. That is less than half of a chocolate. Chocolate. Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man. It's not from a female.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, we. We didn't get to Marty supreme today, but maybe tomorrow we can get into that. I actually have a lot of thoughts. I Saw that on Christmas Day. Me and Addie went and saw it in Los Feliz. And I know you saw it as well too.

[Andrew Walsh]

So New Year's Day for me. So it's a real holiday film. I mean, there's not a lot to say about it. It's a pretty straightforward ping pong movie.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, sure, absolutely.

[Andrew Walsh]

I mean, you know, we can dispatch with it pretty quickly, I would think, or dispense with it pretty quickly. Hey, I mentioned to you that on Friday show we did. What I really think was lovely. We heard from tons of listeners and we have. We got our voicemail line down to zero unheard voicemails. But I did have a couple of voice memos in my email that I forgot to include. So we will share those throughout the week. But for today, since we've gone so long, I just want to share this email that we got from listener trying to see if they want to stay anonymous here. No, it looks like they signed it. This is from listener Denise. And this is in response to one of the top five lists that we talked about last week, which was a top five list from our friend Jamie down there in Mississippi who was talking about top five underrated adult fears or something like that. Basically things you can do in adulthood that has a. A negative effect or whatever. And one of those adult fears is accidentally including somebody on an email list that doesn't belong on that email list and then sending, you know, some, something in the body of the email that could be embarrassing. And I got this note from Denise that says I wanted to add my own story about including people you shouldn't on emails and texts. My son was on the swim team in high school and I was a parent volunteer on the booster board. We mostly organized fundraisers for various activities like the end of the year bank banquet. My husband died during the season. I'm sorry. Denise and my fellow board members sent me a lovely wind chime. Unfortunately, I was included in a group email about how they were going to recoup the money that they had, quote, blown on the gift. I felt terrible when someone realized that I had been included on the email. The person who had written that reached out and couldn't have been more apologies. She was mortified and I actually felt worse for her. It was a careless mistake, but we've all had them. No real harm was done and all was forgiven. But it does sound like just like you're reading one of those things. And I'm sure the person didn't mean it that way, but you don't think that the gift recipient is on the email. So you just say, well, how are we going to recoup that money that we blew on the wind chime? And you're somebody who's in deep grieving, and you're just, what a punch?

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, I just. Honestly, though, what kind of a person would see that as. Would use that term blown, even if.

[Andrew Walsh]

The person wasn't seeing it?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, like, I would never. That's just so insensitive to, like, everybody involved. Like, what a weird. Like, that person sounds like, even if they were apologetic. Now, I don't know if the person who was apologetic to Denise was the person who also had used the term blown.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, it sounds like. So, yeah, so she said the person who wrote that word when somebody really. When the person who wrote that, that word couldn't have been more apologetic.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, I guess it's better to be apologetic than to not be apologetic. But the fact that you would ever use that term around this particular topic, even when you didn't think the person was on the email, is so strange to me that you would see buying a wind chime for somebody who's grieving as blowing money.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I know.

[Luke Burbank]

That's crazy to me. Like, I would have a very hard time. I mean, amidst the grief and everything that obviously Denise was. Was. I'm sure going through that would be tough for me to ever sort of, like, have any kind of normal relationship with that person again, because I would just be like, that's a dark view into how that person perceives people and grief and. And, you know, finance and stuff like that.

[Andrew Walsh]

But that's old Luke, though. New Luke, Buddhist Luke, understands how you can forgive.

[Luke Burbank]

Honestly, you know what that would be. Let me think about this. You're absolutely right. That would. 2026. Luke would be like, you know, this. This is the situation. It's all about radical acceptance. This is the situation that's happening right now. I'm embracing suffering. You know, it's like I'm. You become okay with suffering. You become okay with the fact that this person on the swim team email was being rude. So step back from a reactive state.

[Andrew Walsh]

Speaking of change in 2026. And I'm sorry to bury this all the way at the very end of the show. And yes, this is the very end of the show. In fact, I'll even start the music to make sure that this is.

[Luke Burbank]

Wait, no, I was gonna. I was gonna play this.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, the Badlands. Okay, then I'll hold off. I discovered something today regarding the New Year that is very exciting. My dad sent me a new Far side Off the Wall page a day calendar for Christmas, which is very, very sweet because I had taken a photo of one of the recent comics near the end of 2025, and I sent it to him, and I think I gave him the idea, oh, I should get him another calendar for Christmas. So anyway, he had one sent to me. And yesterday, or I guess on Saturday or whatever, I tore off Fridays and there was the Saturday weekend cartoon. I don't remember what it was and it doesn't really matter. And then I just left it there for a couple of days. And then today I went to tear it off because today is Monday, and I realized, oh, 2026 off the wall calendar. We're getting 52 extra comics this year because they have a separate page for both Saturdays and Sundays. It used to be one. One comic would get you through a Saturday Sunday. Just one comic a weekend. No more, my friends. No more. You want to talk about shrinkflation? This is the opposite. This is unshrinkflation. This is what Gary Larson. It's flation. It's swellflation is what it is. I mean, while the world is selling us less for more and more, Gary Larson is out there giving us more for less.

[Luke Burbank]

Is Gary Larson making. Where do we land on this? Is he making new far sides as well?

[Andrew Walsh]

Not that are ending up in the calendar. When Jane Goodall died, he had a famous cartoon that involved Jane Goodall from way back in the 80s. And so when she died, I know he released a new one that was sort of a tribute to her. So I think he's getting up there in age. Do you remember the story? He kind of revamped his website and said, my grandson got me a digital sketch. I don't know if it's just an iPad, but some sort of digital sketch thing. And now he had just lost the urge to draw and cartoon. But with the new digital world, he just was really enjoying it. And so he was making an occasional, very occasional random cartoon and posting it to his website. But when we talk about the calendars and stuff, it's all just retro.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. Because I was going to say the adding of an extra day or including a new one for Sunday or not a new one, but another one. I mean, they are going to go through. They're going to burn through the backs, their inventory. Inventory, yeah. 52 times. Well, not 50 times faster, but there's gonna be 52 more that are presented in the 2026 calendar that then presumably they wouldn't use for 20, 27, so he must feel confident about his inventory.

[Andrew Walsh]

50. Yeah, 52 more, right? Is that what you said?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I did.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. I think that's right. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, but I. I don't know. I just think he has such a big back catalog and they're. They're all repeats anyway, so. Okay, you know, whatever. We.

[Luke Burbank]

Can we close things out. Speaking of humor with something that I just. Just came through my Instagram from the Onion.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, it's a.

[Luke Burbank]

It's this now pretty famous picture already of the Venezuelan president Nicholas Maduro being walked in handcuffs along, you know, after the. The helicopter lands in, like, Brooklyn or wherever he is. You know, he's being escorted by the dea, Nicholas Maduro, charged with felony oil possession.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right. Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Once again, once again, the Onion nailing it. The only. The last voice that we can believe in this fractured media landscape is the Onion. Nicholas Maduro charged with felony oil possession. What a world, huh?

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, Luke, you know what I just realized that. Well, I realized about an hour ago, but I held my tongue. Something went wrong with my computer. We've been on WI fi this whole time.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I heard you kind of glitching.

[Andrew Walsh]

You glitch once or twice. That's on me, my friend. But. But we got through it, though. It was okay. And tomorrow's going to be even better. Gives us something to build on.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. We don't want to come out with perfection here on January 5th because it doesn't leave us anywhere to go tomorrow on January 6th.

[Andrew Walsh]

Are we doing this again tomorrow?

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I mean, I'll be here.

[Andrew Walsh]

All right. All right.

[Luke Burbank]

Definitely.

[Andrew Walsh]

I just wasn't sure.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, thank you, everybody, for listening. Yes, we will be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio. So please, if you can stop by for that. In the meantime, everybody, have a great Monday. Take care of yourselves, and please remember, no mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

And good luck to all. Power out.