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Luke Burbank
The road to the super bowl is long and pointless.
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Andrew Walsh
I mean, when you think about it, football's so great. But now the two conference champs must.
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Luke Burbank
Survive a harrowing bye week that no one enjoys. Bye weeks. Bronco Nagursky didn't get no bye weeks, and now he's dead. Well, maybe they were good things.
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Andrew Walsh
Tbtl.
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Luke Burbank
There are two types of people in this world. Those who like Neil diamond and those who don't. My ex wife loves him.
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Andrew Walsh
I have a hunch that we'd all.
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Luke Burbank
Be a lot happier discussing this over dinner. What do you say?
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Andrew Walsh
You guys like Italian? No. No. No.
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Luke Burbank
Yes.
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Andrew Walsh
No.
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Luke Burbank
Yes. I love Italian.
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Andrew Walsh
And so do you. Yes. I thought you was in Hawaii. A lot of people think a lot of things about. Well, if it makes you feel better, I'd rather be up here with you than down there with those teenage people with their memes and their hashtags and Drake. Drakes. That's the voice of the youth of America.
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Luke Burbank
Well, all right. Hello, good morning and welcome, everyone, to a Monday edition of tbtl, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. All you stools get a Z. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. We are living in the midst of a podcast boom coming to you from South Beach. In Miami Beach. In Miami. In South Florida. In Florida. The Miami meat tent, where it is. Boy, the rumors are true. It is warm down here. It's like 80 degrees, 82 degrees here in Florida, where we are taking a little bit of vacation. Well, not so much of a vacation that we're not doing tbtl, because this right here, my friends, this is something that taxes death and tbtl, three things you can't get away from, both as a listener and a creator of it. So here we are bringing you episode 4649 in a collector series.
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Andrew Walsh
Let the fun begin.
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Luke Burbank
You know, I got rid of Twitter a couple of years ago because I didn't like the direction it was going to, even though Twitter was something that I thought about a lot, that I posted on a lot, that I got a lot of my, I guess you could say enjoyment, self esteem, dopamine hits from. But I've adjusted and I've moved all of that attention now to TikTok. And now I feel like I might have to walk away from TikTok.
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Andrew Walsh
Gonna be a sit down comedian on Tiki Talkie.
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Luke Burbank
Don't I get to have anything anymore? I guess I get to have the Seahawks going to the super bowl, which is making me feel, of course, very happy today. But Then the federal government of the United States is killing its citizens without regard. And that's something that has me feeling extremely upset as I know all of our listeners are feeling as well. And this is what I am trying to figure out how to hold on this Monday as we do this show. The things about the world that are good, which includes in a Sunny place with my girlfriend and my football team, did a good thing. And the things that are bad, which we all know about. And what's the focus of what we do here? I don't know. Maybe this guy knows the answer. He is the longest running cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Believe it or not, I'm a complete catch. He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.
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Andrew Walsh
I mean, I guess the irony is when the NFL is the good thing. I mean.
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Luke Burbank
Good morning, Luke.
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Andrew Walsh
Are you.
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Luke Burbank
Good morning, Andrew. Have you ever wanted me. Have you ever wanted me to say maybe he knows the answer less in a toss to you? I realized that was so unfair. No, no, no.
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Andrew Walsh
I felt bad.
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Luke Burbank
Like that was me just spiking the hacky sack directly into the ground at your feet and going, hey, do something with this.
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Andrew Walsh
Sir, we were joking before the show that you were going to offer me to be the first voice on the show today. Hey, kid, it's your big break you want.
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Luke Burbank
Andrew, I've been thinking. I think you're ready. You should crack the mic first here on the show.
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Andrew Walsh
No, I. The funny thing is I want. I hesitated before making that joke because I wasn't trying to like get into a conversation about all of the social and all the ills of the NFL either. I wasn't trying to undermine what you were saying, but it was really weird. It was obviously, I think, a very troubling weekend for almost everybody within the sound of my voice. And it was very strange going to the Eagles yesterday to watch the football game.
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Luke Burbank
Oh, so that's where you watched it.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah, so I watched football game. Your brother was there, by the way. We had another pretty good contingent of the fun loving criminals were there along with some other friends. But I remember waking up on Sunday for real and just thinking like, it's kind of hard to care about football right now. Yeah, and. And not even. I mean, that's just a private thought. I'm not trying to. What was the phrase everybody was using a few years ago when you're trying to make yourself look like you care more?
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Luke Burbank
Virtue signal.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah, I'm not trying to Virtue Signal. It really was like, God, okay, like. And, you know, I'd been looking forward to this game, obviously all week. And then the weekend was so dark, what with, as you mentioned, the government executing innocent civilians.
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Luke Burbank
Murdering people.
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Andrew Walsh
Murdering them and on camera. And then having them and then lying about it. Both sides, it. And then. Yeah. And it's like. Oh, and it's upsetting about it.
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Luke Burbank
Saying that he pulled a gun. Yeah, that was their initial statement and it was provably false.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah. And you can just literally see that that is not the case. He was disarmed at the moment of his execution. And also. But then also, all the things you hear about, well, he was a domestic terrorist are all just. All the absolutely just infuriating. Lee. Hateful things that are going on in the country right now. And you wake up and you're like, oh, hey, football. But then I gotta say, you go to the Eagles, you're in. You know, I'm not on Blue Sky, I'm watching the game. And it was true that, like, not long into the game, not. Not unlike a lot of drugs, you just, you. You're locked in. And the rest of the world sort of was closed out for about three hours. And what a game that was. And that was amazing. But you're right. And then. And then I think this morning, then you wake up again feeling a little bit like kind of hungover from everything. And not just the. The just copious amounts of alcohol that I drank yesterday. Just kidding. We mostly kept it in check. I think nobody. Nobody literally fell over this time. So that's good. Good. So we're there. But anyway, yeah, so it's for those of us who are. Who have no interest in football at all, or certainly this very specific Seattle football experience, you might be wondering what the hell we're doing on the show today if we invoke any kind of celebratory attitude. But I also don't know exactly how to navigate this any better than you.
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Luke Burbank
Yeah, I feel like because of the. This used to be maybe a once every six month conversation we would have to have or maybe, you know, once a year where it was like the events of the world were so upsetting that they were pushing their way into our minds. And it felt almost like we were being irresponsible if we didn't talk about it on the show. And yet something about the show that people love. I don't. Let me put it this way. I don't think that our listeners are unaware of what's happening in the world in Other words, I don't think that if we. If we tend to just talk about our lives and things that are very meaningless, like me forgetting to put the garbage out on time or whatever. Like, I don't think that we're doing that. And that means that our listeners will not be aware of the events in Minnesota. I think our listeners are aware of the events in Minnesota. And some of them will say to us, what I like about TBTL is I know where you guys stand on things, but I like having an hour break from the reality of the world. That's what TBTL provides for folks. So that's always in my mind that we are. We're like a little calm from the reality storm. And that is people appreciate that people need that break. And then on the other hand, I don't ever want it to seem like we're, you know, like we're. We're whistling past the graveyard. We're not. We're closing our eyes. Because I do really feel like at this point, being non political is a political choice. Like, I don't know if I've always believed that, but in this moment, I do think that that's really the thing. I think, you know, I think not having an opinion about what's going on, there is a choice in and of itself, and one that I really can't wrap my mind around, people feeling that way. And so this used to be something that would come up, not all the time. And now, because of what's going on with this administration, I feel like we have this conversation, like, once a week, either off air or on air, which is like, how much should we be talking about the real tragedy of the world versus how much should we be trying to be a place that is a little more fun and light and where people can kind of like, just have a moment of respite, in fact, even like this morning. So I'll just give you the timeline. Becca and I flew down here on Saturday and came here to this Airbnb in Miami. And of course, I sit down on the couch and I think she was, like, taking a shower or something. And I just immediately go into the most intense doom scroll of all time about what had happened in Minnesota. And I'm just, like, completely and totally wrecked by it to the point of being really emotional, you know, like having a really kind of an A. I don't know if I'd call it a breakdown, but I had a pretty hard time with it, let's just say, as I'm sure so many people did particularly Our friends in Minnesota especially. And. And then, you know, yesterday we. We. We got up here and we had. It was a nice day. The weather has been unseasonably warm here, which, by the way, is strange, considering part of America is, like, completely frozen. And then somehow you could still be in america and it's 80 degrees, which, as a metaphor probably for something. Right. Had a very relaxing day. And the whole day it felt like this tension of, like, we're sitting by a pool at the condo that we rented, and there are people that are protesting in Minnesota. And, like, we literally, like, on Saturday night, Becca and I, because she lived there in the Twin Cities for a good while, and we really asked ourselves, like, are we being a responsible being in Miami right now? Like, is our responsibility to actually go to Twin Cities, Just be two more people in those crowds? Like, I'm not saying. And that. I'm really not trying to say that the virtue signal, because we also didn't do it. That's my favorite kind of virtue signaling. The kind that involves no actual change in behavior on my part. But only considering it for about four minutes.
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Andrew Walsh
But publicly considering it, though, too.
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Luke Burbank
Well, now publicly, I mean, the issue was previously was private consideration, but now I've been able to make it public.
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Andrew Walsh
If nobody sees your signals, you can't get it.
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Luke Burbank
If a virtue falls in the woods, did it get signaled?
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Andrew Walsh
If a virtue falls in the wood and nobody is there to see it, did it get signaled?
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Luke Burbank
But I mean, I'm not trying to say that because we didn't. We're here. We're still in South Florida. So. But I'm just saying that was literally what. That was a. Not crazy. That would, to us, was not outside the realm of possibility on Saturday night was like, what do we do about this and how we're feeling and what's happening in the world and how are we. What do we do to try to be responsible people in this country? Right? And then. So the whole day was. It was really a lovely day. And it also was. I. The whole time, I felt like I was being kind of an evil person to be enjoying the loveliness of the day. Then the Seahawk game finally came around. Oh, by the way, remember we were talking last week about, like, what. How. And this is before we knew the further events in Minnesota and how that would kind of cast a shadow everything. But last week we were talking about, like, where should Becca and I watch the football game here in Miami? Because, you know, she's not a particular Seahawk or football fan and is we're here. It's kind of a birthday celebration for her. And I can get insane when watching the football game. Here's where we landed on. We watched it here in the Airbnb, which ended up being perfect. And because they have a big tv, but I was able to, like, log in with my YouTube TV. So they don't have a TV here that's connected to, like, channels, but because I have that stupid streaming service, any big TV that has an Internet connection is basically my TV at home. So we were able to get the game, no problems. We have a balcony here. And so what I could do is pace around and I could go out on the balcony and like, scream at the. In the direction of the Atlantic Ocean when I was feeling too nervous and then I could come back in. I spent the majority of the. The game, the second half anyway, on the balcony, watching it through the windows and then coming in and out and then. And then updating Becca on, like, why that was a big deal or why I think that we should consider taking away Reek Woolen's helmet and sending him home mid game. So it ended up being. Because you and I had.
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Andrew Walsh
Just make him wear one of the leather ones for a little bit.
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Luke Burbank
Thank you. Like, but. But you and I had discussed that maybe the best way for. For us to watch it would be to go to, like, some kind of a beach bar or restaurant where the game is on. But. But it's not a sports bar. So that there could be like, you know, Becca could kind of, I don't know, just not be getting the fully immersive 360 experience of Seahawkness if she didn't want to be part of it. This was great, though, because she was very invested in the game. She was obviously very much hoping that I would be happy about the outcome, but she also at times was reading her book, which I found. I don't know how someone can do that with a maniac pacing between the balcony and the interior of the condo constantly.
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Andrew Walsh
But it was a John Madden book, though, right?
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Luke Burbank
It was. It was actually Nicholas Cage's biography of the version of John Madden that he played. You know that, right? You know Nick Cage is playing John Madden in a new movie.
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Andrew Walsh
No, No, I didn't know that.
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Luke Burbank
Oh, yeah. And Christian Bale is playing Al Davis. What a movie.
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Andrew Walsh
What a movie. I'm trying to phys. I'm. I don't know El Davis's look.
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Luke Burbank
He looks nothing like his son.
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Andrew Walsh
Okay. Yeah.
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Luke Burbank
So he doesn't have that weird haircut. Yeah. Davis has, which is so funny. It's like Al Davis was actually kind of a cool customer.
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Andrew Walsh
Okay. Yeah, I'm looking at him.
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Luke Burbank
He was the guy who famously said, just win, baby. And he would wear these, like, gold glasses with, like, gold glasses, chains on them. I mean, he's a terrible human, but he was a kind of a. He kind of cut an interesting figure.
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Andrew Walsh
Well, and he seems to cut more of a figure that Nicolas Cage would.
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Luke Burbank
Inhabit better than, well, Nicholas Cage is John Madden.
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Andrew Walsh
Well, that's, that's what I'm saying is why my brain is locking up on this. I feel like I could see Cage being Al Davis better than John Madden.
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Luke Burbank
I think I. I think. I don't know if, if Nicholas Cage actually gained some weight or they used some prosthetics, but they heavily augmented his look to make him look like John. Man. What I'm really going to be curious about is if he nails the John Madden impression or if they just try to do one of those things where it's like he's not doing a John Madden, like, vocal impression. He's just kind of. We just at some point have to believe that this guy is John Madden.
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Andrew Walsh
Oh, and we, we have photos of him as John. Man.
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Luke Burbank
We're this far photos.
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Andrew Walsh
We're this far into the project and I'm just learning about it.
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Luke Burbank
I think it's done.
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Andrew Walsh
Okay. All right. I'm sorry, everybody. I'm way behind the ball on this. I'm sorry, Luke, but I mean, the good thing is we are covering the important things today. Wow. That's really. Yeah. Okay. I'm seeing. Okay. It's more convincing than I thought it was going to be, that's for sure.
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Luke Burbank
But the watching it here actually was great. We did. I want to be very careful. I don't want to sound like anyone's policing my behaviors, particularly Becca. She's not. But we agreed that a good thing for me with watching this game but keeping it fun was we would have some alcohol here, but it would be Michelob Ultra. So I got a six pack of Michelob Ultra. And what I realized is, you know, the maximum number of Michelob Ultras I can drink. Andrew. 6.1.2. And I was. I was working hard on the 0.2. I had just switched over to my diet Dr. Pepper by the third quarter because, like, one Michelob Ultra, like, if it's a hot day, it's kind of refreshing. It's kind of like, ooh, that, that hits the spot. That is the most number of Michelob Ultras. I think any human being will voluntarily consume.
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Andrew Walsh
Wait, hold on. I thought it was going to be because you don't drink beer much, and so you found it to be, like, kind of filling or something. But no, this is.
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Luke Burbank
I didn't specifically get bored with it. It's just such a bad. It's such a. You know, I'm not a beer snob at all. And I definitely like. Like a cold Budweiser now and again, but like a Michelob Ultra. The thing about Michelob Ultra, that it's, you know, it's lower calorie, lower carb. I think it's 4.2 alcohol. But the idea was like, let's do that, and let's not grab a bottle of tequila at the liquor store and have that be the thing, like, where I'm doing a victory shot every time a good thing happens. Because that could, you know, lead to me being in foul temper if they don't win, or even in foul temper because a bird landed on the balcony. Who knows, right?
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Andrew Walsh
So can you remind me in a moment, by the way, like, can you remind me to come back to tell you about our booze?
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Luke Burbank
Yes.
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Andrew Walsh
A purchase in Vegas.
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Luke Burbank
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, that mean that's. That's more or less the end of the story, is we watched the Seahawk game. It was really obviously super tense, ultimately very rewarding. Then we went for a walk to find some ice cream in south beach, and I was, you know, again, the. The real events of the world are still, like, in my mind at all times, but they're.
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Andrew Walsh
It's.
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Luke Burbank
It's undulating. It's like sometimes if I'm not standing in Arena's water ice, which they've apparently franchised down here to Florida, and ordering a custard, if I'm not doing that, it's like, what's happening in Minnesota and in this country, it, like, it grows and it grows and it grows, and it's like it's 50% of my brain. And then something else happens. I'm engaged with something. I'm watching the Seahawks or I'm reading. I'm on the LA Times this morning reading articles about how Sam Farmer is saying that Sean McVeigh lost this game for them. And then the part of my brain that is thinking about this country, it gets smaller and smaller and smaller and it goes down to 10%. And then I finish that article, and then I'm walking towards the other room to put on my running shoes, and then it gets bigger and bigger and bigger. Does that make any sense? Like, it's just. It grows and shrinks based on how much I'm distracting myself with other things. And then we're sitting this morning having coffee, and we're both kind of on. I'm on my computer getting TBT already. Becca's on her phone, and her feed pops onto somebody, one of these kind of citizen journalists on TikTok. And they're doing the thing that a lot of the citizen journalists that you and I probably see on our feed is doing, which is they're just pointing out in another new and novel way how messed up this is. And they're comparing it to something. And I don't know if it was something about, you know, it being broadcast from her phone or. Because I was reading the LA Times about how Sean McVay messed up the game for the Rams, which gives me great joy. But all of a sudden, I hit this moment of like, I don't want to hear anything more about this right now. Like, I didn't say that, but, like, the thought. You know what I mean? Like, all of a sudden it was like, I've been ingesting information about Minnesota a lot. I've had moments of it being a bigger and smaller part of my brain. All of a sudden it was like, okay, now I need it to not be part of my brain for the next four minutes. And I guess my point in that is I don't know where each individual listener to TBTL is on this Monday as they hear this. I don't know if they're in the mode where it's a really big part of their brain and they feel seen by us talking about it, or I don't know if they're in that mode that I was in where they're like, can I just not have this for a moment, please? You know? So I don't know what the answer is. I've done nothing here except point out that Rita's Water Ice has franchise to South Florida.
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Andrew Walsh
You and I are similar in some ways in that. I also visited the LA Times today to see what Bill Plaschke had to say.
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Luke Burbank
Oh, I read Plaskey.
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Andrew Walsh
Did you?
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Luke Burbank
Oh, I read Plaschke, my friend and I did. You see, I reread his prediction.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah. Okay. For people who don't know. And Plasky, very lovable, by the way. Sport and kind of iconic.
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Luke Burbank
You probably know him from your LA days. You guys probably booked him sometimes. I don't.
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Andrew Walsh
You know, I don't. I don't know. I definitely. I probably learned of him When I was down there, as somebody who was not, you know, super into sports and super into LA culture. But anyway, he wrote. And the Seattle Times reran it. Oh, they did. They printed it on January 20, which would have been about a week ago. Rams are going to win the super bowl commentary. And I think the Seattle Times ran that as a bit of a, you know, like. Well, let's.
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Luke Burbank
Locker room material.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah, exactly. And so this is Bill Plaschke. And then when you click on it says, bill Plaske, if the Bears miracle can't beat the Rams, what can? Nothing and nobody. And then it begins. Now, do you believe? Finally, do you understand the Los Angeles Rams are going to win the Super Bowl? This. I was reading this, you know, six days ago. And then this morning, at some point in my bleary mind, I was like, what's Plash t cooking up today? Yeah, after that. After that, locker room.
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Luke Burbank
Let me give him credit. Let me give him credit. In today's column, he linked to his previous column.
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Andrew Walsh
Oh, did he? I didn't get that far in. I was looking to say. I knew he was talking about McVeigh as well, and I was reading, and then at some point I set it back down. But that. That is good. Did he. Did he comment on it or did he just link?
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Luke Burbank
No, he kind of. He linked to it, which I give him credit for because he was basically, you know, he was pointing more eyeballs. Eyeballs towards how wrong he was. But he also didn't fall on his sword, as it were. Like, he didn't say, you know, the. The Rams lost. And I was loud, wrong. He basically said, like. I think he did a clever joke, actually, which was something like, you know, the Sean McVeigh's decisions, you know, led to a game the Rams should have won. And I think should have won was a hyperlink.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah, I'm looking at it now, which.
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Luke Burbank
Is kind of a funny. What's. What's the hyperlink? What are the letters? What are the words?
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Andrew Walsh
So it says it all added up to negatively impact a game. The Rams could. One comma.
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Luke Burbank
And.
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Andrew Walsh
And then the link is, should have one. Now, here's one other thing I'd like.
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Luke Burbank
That'S a kind of a funny way to say I was wrong. Like, they should have won it.
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Andrew Walsh
If he's the one who puts the links in the articles, which I'm not 100% convinced of either, that could be somebody. They might just have.
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Luke Burbank
So funny.
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Andrew Walsh
I mean, he might. My guess is some things he probably does say, hey, I Want this to be a link here. But I also bet you when they're linking internally to other articles, I'm sure the people who like, basically print it are making some decisions too about, like, oh, well, we should cross link to.
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Luke Burbank
This because we' got this other piece that we wrote that sheds more light on it. That would be the funniest thing of all time if he did not tell the, like, copy editor, whoever it is, his editor, hey, can we link to this here? And they just threw that in. That would be the funniest trolling of him by the LA Times staff. I would love that so much.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah. So anyway, I don't.
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Luke Burbank
Yeah. So, like, so we were both reading. We were both. We were both hearing the lamentation of the, of the Rams fans this morning.
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Andrew Walsh
I did.
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Luke Burbank
As a way to sort of, you know, like, I don't. I think the term dissociate gets. If that's really in vogue right now, you probably don't get as much sort of people of a certain age on TikTok talking about. I don't know how I would put it, but, like, the, the term. I. Oh, I just totally dissociated. That comes up a lot. And sometimes it'll be just like I was at Starbucks ordering something and they were like, out of it and I dissociated. I'm like, did you? But I. I do think that I. I kind of have been like, a lot of people cycling in and out of, like, of how much I feel like. And again, I'm very far away from the issue. I'm not physically in danger. I'm not trying to center myself in the story. I'm just saying in this moment of my life as I'm living it, there are times where I feel like I need to know everything I can know about this and I need to watch every video angle and I need to know more about this victim. And then there are times where I'm like, I need to see Bill Plaschke embarrassed.
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Andrew Walsh
Right, Exactly. A man that I generally like. I want to say, by the way.
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Luke Burbank
No, he's. He's a. I think he's level. That's a hard. Listen, I give cold Take Calkins a lot of grief on this show. Matt Calkins for the Seahawks. But, like, it's a hard job to have a take, to have a sports take, and it's more interesting when you do. So. I mean, listen, as a. Even, even on the. I like to have takes on the, on the Hawk, you know, our. Our text chain. And like, I Called this a George Holani hero game earlier this week. Loud. Wrong. I'll hyperlink back to that. But, like, I do give, like, guys like Plaschke credit for going hard with the prediction. There's a 50.50 chance it's going to work. Right. And if it works, you look like. You look like you're, you know, you really know what you're talking about. So I.
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Andrew Walsh
Well, actually, in his case. In his case, he was going hard with a 1 in 20, you know. Well, it was a. He had a quarter of a chance. How is the. How do I say that? Because at that point, when he wrote that, there were still four teams vying for it, and he was saying, well, they would win.
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Luke Burbank
Yeah, I guess you're right. Because I. Yeah, you're right. I meant 50. 50 chance for the Seahawks. But you're right, he's also talking about the super bowl.
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Andrew Walsh
So he's 25.
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Luke Burbank
Somehow that prediction is getting compounded in a way. I can't do the math on 25% chance.
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Andrew Walsh
I don't know.
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Luke Burbank
It was. It was a bigger. You're right. It was a bigger swing than I was even giving him credit for.
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Andrew Walsh
But anyway, I wanted to. So, yeah. So basically, that's where you and I are today.
- [25:28]
Luke Burbank
We don't have the answers.
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Andrew Walsh
We don't have the answers. We don't have the capacity to. To maybe balance these things as gracefully as we would like to. But. And again, maybe this is literally the definition of virtue signaling. It is important for me that the listeners know that we aren't, as you say, whistling past the graveyard or ignoring everything or being, you know, purposefully myopic either in our lives or on this show. I think we do have to, you know, discuss it when it comes up naturally. I also think. And this goes for, like, kind of everything we talk about. I know that, like, people like to complain about, you know, if we talk about sports too much for their particular taste or politics, although we rarely. I don't. I don't think we get people saying too much like, hey, lay off of politics. If anything, maybe we get encouraged to talk about it more. But whatever it is, I really do think the important thing of this show, to the degree that, you know, anything is important that you and I are doing here, Luke, is that it does sort of flow from where you and I are as individuals and as a team on any given day. And that is kind of the, you know, it's. It literally has to be organic in that way. And, you know, maybe this is me subtweeting some people who will sometimes say, like, well, why didn't you give us a warning that you're going to talk about the Seahawks that much? It's like, well, because we didn't go into it thinking we're going to talk about the Seahawks, where you have us.
- [26:55]
Luke Burbank
Confused with two guys that have a plan and can stick to it.
- [26:58]
Andrew Walsh
Right, Exactly. And if it's not the Seahawks, it's something else, you know, And I'll often encourage people to say, hey, listen, like, there are podcasts that I absolutely love, that I am addicted to, that I listen to, like, on the reg, even. There are some now that I listen to twice because they. Because I want to maybe stare away from the direct harshness of the news for a while. But not everything on every podcast is for everybody. And you can fast forward through a thing or two. But the point is, though, you know, if you and I feel like we're constantly walking around sort of landmines of content because, well, have we gone too far on this or this? Or is this the right place in the show to bring up this whim? That has occurred to me. I really do think you're going to end up losing whatever. Whatever makes this show palatable.
- [27:43]
Luke Burbank
And it's not possible to do this five days a week, 52 weeks a year. If we're asking, if we're trying to not ever say the wrong thing at the wrong time or leave out the wrong topic at the wrong time, we. You're exactly right. The only way this thing is sustainable for us anyway, with our current staff of three, is we got to do our best. We've got to basically reflect where we are in any particular moment of time, including how we feel about the Seahawks and Rita's water ice and how we feel about Minnesota, and just kind of do our best and hope that people take it as a good faith effort, you know, because we're just not going to ever nail it perfectly.
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Andrew Walsh
Yes. Now, having said that, I kind of want to talk to you a little bit about my mindset during this game. Do you want to hold off on that for a little bit later?
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Luke Burbank
Here's the first thing. I want to hear about what happened with you and alcohol in Las Vegas.
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Andrew Walsh
Not a.
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Luke Burbank
Not a.
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Andrew Walsh
This isn't a.
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Luke Burbank
Then I want to thank the donor. Can I lay this out? I've got a plan.
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Andrew Walsh
I just.
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Luke Burbank
I just said we're two guys with a plan that we stick to, right? Exactly what we're known for. I want to hear about your Las Vegas alcohol situation. Then maybe we thank the donors, we knock out a quick top story, and then. And then fully. We'll probably be in the badlands by then. And then we could just really talk about your watching experience and anything else that we want to say about this football team, which I'm, as you would imagine, pretty frigging hyped about.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah, well, the. The. The. The Vegas story is saying I want to hear your Vegas alcohol story. Definitely sets it up for more dazzling details than what I'm going to be offering here. This is not about. This is not a story about craziness. It's more about budgetary concerns. I told you that when we were in Vegas, Genevieve adopted Genevieve, who is very cost conscious of things. I really don't think she's a cheap person, but definitely. And as somebody who I always have.
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Luke Burbank
To say this if I can, at this moment of the conversation, which is that Genevieve is very cost conscious but very generous in my experience. And I think you are. I wouldn't. I don't know if I describe you as cost conscious. I would describe you as a person with a pretty, like, light footprint. Like, I don't think you need to buy new, flashy, expensive things for your own self, for your own enjoyment. You'll make, you know, an audio board work for years after. After its shelf life. And yet you're very generous also to people and to causes and things you. You care about. So, like, I do think you and Genevieve live, like, really well within your means, but you're also like, just. You guys are great to be out with and around with, and so you guys have somehow kind of nailed it. I'm a fan.
- [30:19]
Andrew Walsh
Okay, great. Well, you are picking up dinner next time we all go to dinner.
- [30:22]
Luke Burbank
100%.
- [30:22]
Andrew Walsh
Okay. I. So. But I do think that maybe living with Genevieve. And again, I appreciate this. I think that maybe I do wonder, would I take the bus as much as I take the bus if I didn't live with Genevieve for 25 years? I guess we haven't lived together for 25 years, but you see what I'm saying? Like, Genevieve was gone this weekend. Boy, I really am turning this into a stem winder, aren't I? Genevieve was gone this weekend, for example, and I wanted to go have a nice meal down at 13 coins, Luke. And by the way, it was. Now I'm just going to turn this into, like, four stories on top of each other. But sometimes when Genevieve is gone for the weekend, I get excited. I'm like, ooh, Andy times. Which never makes sense because Genevieve doesn't stop me from doing any of the things I want to do during Andy times. But sometimes you're just like, oh, I have the house to myself. I don't have to consider anybody else's schedule or feelings or anything. I can do what I want. But then I always somehow blow it. Either I fall asleep too early or I just feel like I didn't take advantage of the time right. Or things just didn't work out well. Well, Friday, after you and I recorded the show and I did kind of a minimal approach to newsletter writing, I really. And I hadn't eaten all day and I had this idea in my head. I'm like, I want to go somewhere. I'm still sort of chasing that sort of sort of cozy bar feel I had about me.
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Luke Burbank
You tried Vons?
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Andrew Walsh
Yes, I did. Vons. But they were really, really crowded the last time I went to Vons, and it wasn't quite as cozy as I wanted. And I always thought, like, well, 13 coins is a little bit of a longer ride. And this is a, you know, a restaurant and bar that used to be down at the bottom of Denny Hill in Seattle and used to be open 24 hours. And you and I clocked sometime there with some listeners and friends of the show before, but it's moved now. It's down kind of where the stadiums are. It takes me about. It would be about a 45 minute bus ride down there or something. And I just thought, you know, it's not. It's like, it's a nice place, they have nice food, it's well appointed. And I knew that they had this area that I describe it as a bar, but I guess they call it the chef viewing area, where you can.
- [32:19]
Luke Burbank
Like sit in these big captain's chairs.
- [32:21]
Andrew Walsh
Really tall swivel captain's chairs, basically at a bar, only it's not a bar. You're watching them cook there. But there's like, I don't know, you've been there like 15 of those chairs or something. And when you sit in them, they're like. The back of the chair is so tall that it goes above your head and curves around you a little bit. So it really gives you a sense of, like, you can socialize in those chairs or it can give you a sense of being in a little cocoon. And I knew that I was very near the end of this book I was reading that I've really been loving and been sort of milking a little bit because I didn't want to leave the world. And so I'M like, you know what? It's time to finish this book. On Friday, I'm going to take the bus all the way down. It was a cold night. It was actually, you know, evening, early evening. But I'm like, I'm going to take the bus. Do I really want to do this? Yes, go down there. But the whole time I'm like, you have this idea in your head of going to this place and having a French onion soup. I don't even know if it's on the menu, but you have this idea of going, having a French onion soup and an IPA and sitting in one of those chairs. And you just need to really prepare yourself for this not being everything that you want it to be right now. Because when you get you, Andrew, when you get so fixated on this cozy moment, it tends to not materialize. And then I have trouble, like, sort of rolling with it because I was so focused on it. Friday was perfect. It was so good. On the bus ride on the way there, you know, I read books on my phone. I'm like, I know that I'm going to finish this book. I'm enjoying within probably 10 or 15 minutes of sitting down. So what's my next big book? It's really hard sometimes when you're finishing one book and not wanting to leave that world. What is the next vine that you're going to grab onto? Will it pale in comparison? Will it. Do you want to. You know what I mean? Will it match the vibe or whatever? So I ended up kind of spending my entire bus ride choosing which Cormac McCarthy book to read when I got done with. Oh, sure, yeah, the Pynchon book.
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Luke Burbank
You just want a very, very austere vine that gives you almost no hope.
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Andrew Walsh
It was definitely, yeah, going for. I finished up the Pynchon book in Hair and Weiss and then went into this very, very different writing styles. Very well, whatever. Anyway. But it was just like my time was used. Well. And then I got there and like, I was a little bit before the dinner crowd is. I was probably getting there five, 30 or six or something. And so I had my choice of the chairs and it was so cozy and like, I've been doing this thing, which I'm sure a lot of people have been doing their whole lives, but I'm trying to do more of which is like, not order everything at once. Because I'm realizing I'm in an age now. Like, when I have a moment like that, everything comes out too quickly. You know, like, if I order soup in a Sandwich or whatever. The soup's gonna come out, and the sandwich is gonna come out immediately, which is nice if you want. If you're in a hurry or you want fast service. But when you're going to a place. Cause you're like, I want to sit here for a while and read and nurse a beer and nurse a soup. I don't know if you can nurse a soup, but I tried. And, Luke, everything was perfect. Everything I ordered was perfect. I had some. You're not a big fan of those sauteed brussels sprouts, are you? Or maybe were these roasted sprouts?
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Luke Burbank
I like those. Okay. I feel like they went from zero to 60. Like, nobody was eating Brussels sprouts in restaurants, and then suddenly, they're on every menu. And I've certainly had lots and lots of them. So I guess I don't get as jazzed now as I did in the first heady few weeks of brussels sprouts showing up on the menu everywhere.
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Andrew Walsh
They did it. They just did them perfectly. They're exactly what I wanted. I got my onion soup to start with. Very friendly waiter. Everything was just absolutely perfect. Okay, why did I get on this? Well, first of all, that was another moment of escapism that I really, truly appreciated and realized maybe not everybody can do. Also, the price was not bad, by the way. When I went to check out, I was like, I don't know, 60 bucks or something for a really nice meal and a couple of beers. I was pretty happy with that. The Seattle prices.
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Luke Burbank
Your move, Vons.
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Andrew Walsh
Yes, exactly. That's right. Yeah. Vons is the place where I ordered, like, a whiskey, and they did that thing where they measured it out super, super carefully and charged twice. What, like the. You know, the dive bar down the street would do.
- [36:16]
Luke Burbank
I would like to see them. Didn't you also get meatballs there? It'd be funny if they also measured the meatballs.
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Andrew Walsh
Ye, exactly.
- [36:23]
Luke Burbank
They have, like, a shot glass, but it's roughly a meatball size. And it's got to fit in there, right?
- [36:28]
Andrew Walsh
Exactly.
- [36:28]
Luke Burbank
Like your luggage on the plane.
- [36:30]
Andrew Walsh
If the meatball doesn't fit, it's too big. If the meatball doesn't fit, you must acquit. Anyway, point is, all of this I brought up because that was a very nice night. But what did I do while I was splurging a little bit? I still took the E line down there and back. My question is, if I did not live with Genevieve and she hadn't sort of instilled this sort of bus culture in Me, I probably would have just taken a lift, you know, back and forth, you know, and however much that would be. But. So I think I appreciate this is all going back to my, to me acknowledging that I appreciate that Genevieve watches the budget and has sort of instilled that in me in a bit that I don't think would come as naturally to me. I think that we've been together a long time and that's one thing that sort of rubbed off. So we're in Vegas. But Genevieve is approaching Vegas as. What did she keep saying? I mentioned it on the show when we got back. She kept saying this is a, not a free weekend or a don't worry about it weekend or something like that. Like we're not, we're just not counting pennies. We're going, we're going to splurge. We're there.
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Luke Burbank
You're in Las Vegas.
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Andrew Walsh
We're on Las Vegas. It's a two, it's a two day trip. It's a quickie. It's for our 25th anniversary. Like we're just not going to be like taking. Because we have taken many times on vacation in places that one would describe as paradise. We have taken bone rattling buses crossed out.
- [37:52]
Luke Burbank
Because I remember hearing about this the last time you were somewhere in the Caribbean or South America or Central America where you guys were. The bus situation was fairly sketchy.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah, Puerto Vallarta kind of came close to breaking me as far as getting to the airport on a bus when I was draggin these bags around cobblestones trying to figure out in a different language which bus was actually gonna get us to the airport on our way out. But all of it to say is when we were in Vegas, we're staying at this, you know, this nice resort or whatever, this nice hotel and. But then I'm like, you know, we should get some booze for the room. Like, you know, usually Avivs and I are gonna be on vacation. It's almost always more than a two day trip. And so you're always getting like, well for maybe a, you know, maybe a cocktail before we go out to dinner or after din dinner or whatever. So we got, we went down and I knew it was going to be expensive. We go down to the little store that's in the hotel and right away I'm like, this is not where you're gonna buy the most budget friendly booze. But we were sort of whatever.
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Luke Burbank
I know that exact store that you're talking about because you guys are in Vadara.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah, exactly. Right across from the little bar down there, it's this tiny little nippy.
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Luke Burbank
They're nice. It's a nice little store. Everything is kind of laid out really conveniently. But, you know, you're paying what they're. You're paying so you don't have to walk on that, like, overpass over to the cvs, right. You know, by the Bubba Gump Shrimp Company.
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Andrew Walsh
Exactly. Which, you know, honestly, if. Usually I think Genevieve would have said that or I would have even said it, like, well, let's just get to the lay of the land and like, there's got to be like a CVS around here or something. But we were just like, let's just go the easy route on all of this stuff. So not long after we'd gotten settled, I think we come downstairs, we're like, oh, well, maybe we had gone out for a little walk or something. We come back, I'm like, well, this little, you know, this little store down in the lobby is open. Let's grab it. So we grabbed two of those small bottles, obviously not full fifth of liquor, right? Two smallish bottles. Not, not the tiny little airport bottles.
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Luke Burbank
Not an airplane bottle, but like the kind that you could potentially fit in your pocket and, and in your breast pocket and then go and write the great American novel if it we.
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Andrew Walsh
But not. They're not, they're not bigger than that. They're not in that shape of the flask or whatever. They're a little bit bigger than that. But like, you know, it was like we got a little mini bottle of, I want to say Maker's Mark that still looked like a fifth of Maker's Mark, only it was like, you know, half the size. It still had the, the wax on it. And then we got, I think, you know me, it was probably gin or, or vodka, I can't remember which one. Like kind of a, a middle sized bottle of that as well, and a couple of bottles of tonic and they didn't have limes. And we're checking out. I'm like, I know we're going to be overpaying for this. And then the woman says, do you want a bag? And I was kind of surprised. Genevieve said, yes. And I'm like, you know, we're going to be paying $15 or what? I didn't even end up looking at an itemized receipt. But I'm like asking if we want a bag from this very, like, checked out woman behind the counter who did not want to be there and just gives us like this little tote bag that I don't even know where the tote bag ended up that says, oh, I see.
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Luke Burbank
So it was like, do you want a bag? It's not a. A plastic bag. It's like, yeah, it's a fabric bag.
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Andrew Walsh
Because everything about this place was a little upscaled. Right. So I think that Genevieve wasn't really thinking about it, and I was sort of like, we can. We're going right up to the room. We don't need a bag. We could carry these. And. But James was like, yeah, okay. And so whatever it ends up being is like, so those two. You know, those things. Two bottles of booze, this bag, and two bottles of tonic. I think it was over a hundred dollars or something like that. It was really expensive. Or maybe knocking on the door of 100 do or something. And I was like, okay, whatever. We're not going to worry about it. Weekend. And then we go upstairs. Now, the thing is, I have told you before the expression that I like to lay on Genevieve on vacation. Like, one time when we were in Hawaii, and it was our first night there, we go to the liquor store, and I'm loading up on liquor and beer and stuff for our full week in Hawaii. And these is like, do you really think that we're going to drink all of this? And I said, I think you'll be pleasantly appalled, which is an expression that lives with us. This was the one weekend where we were not pleasantly appalled because we spent so little time in our room. Genevieve, I think we did finish up whatever the Clear. Whether it was gin or tonic, I can't remember. We made some cocktails. We watched part of a football game in the room before dinner one night, and I think we maybe did that a couple of times. But then I basically still had this almost full bottle of Maker's Mark that at one point, I just ripped the lid off of and took a guzzle from.
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Luke Burbank
Sure.
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Andrew Walsh
Just because I was like, well. And Genevieve's like, well, it's okay. I can check my bags for free. So I'll just have to check my. We'll put your bottle of booze that I had hardly touched at all in my bag, and we'll check it for free. Because, you know, she's in Alaska. She's got the credit card and whatever else she's. So she's like, I can check it at most. Exactly. Well, it was more like at least it was not. At most. We get there, and they're like, well, you got to pay $40 to check your. And she's like, did you tell them.
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Luke Burbank
That, you know me.
- [43:10]
Andrew Walsh
And she's like, no, I don't. Like, it's always free. And she even talked to somebody about it. Like, I don't know. They're like, we're not sure. Genevieve and I are still not sure if she's misremembering it or if they change the policy on her. But the next thing you know, we didn't try to, like, try to drain that bottle of alcohol at the hotel, which I don't know if we really would have done anyway. I mean, once you get into a drinking contest, it stops being, yeah, what are we gaining doing here? So I'm not saying that our behavior would have changed, but the whole time, it was like, oh, well, this is fine. We'll have a little bottle of Maker's Mark for when we get home. But then we're at the airport, and now we have this moment of literally a full. Not unsealed, but a full bottle of whiskey and them saying, well, you can kind of throw good money after bad. If you want to pay $40 to take this thing home that you've already right.
- [43:55]
Luke Burbank
The cost of the bottle of whiskey to send the whiskey home or toss the whiskey and just take the bag on board with you and don't pay the $40.
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Andrew Walsh
And it's the only time I felt really bad for not being pleasantly appalled as we stay. And Genevieve's furious. I mean, there's not at. Not at me, I don't think. I think she's mad at Atmos and just.
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Luke Burbank
She's got squiggles of anger coming out of her head. The whole point of getting those dang credit cards is one of the things you get from that is free checked bags.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah, well, we didn't. So we had to, like, throw away this whole bottle of liquor that we basically overpowered.
- [44:27]
Luke Burbank
You didn't shotgun it in the airport?
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Andrew Walsh
I did not. We threw it away.
- [44:30]
Luke Burbank
I might. Transferring my anger into pleasantly appalling behavior in the airport and on the flight. Like, honestly, depending on what I had going the rest of the day, I. I could. I could have seen myself in that situation being like, I mean, maybe not the whole bottle. That could get you literally physically ill, but just, like, I don't know if you're considering having a drink on the plane. Why don't we just do that here, sitting faster and then huddle our way through Harry Reid International Airport.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah, that just. Honestly, that didn't. Genevieve doesn't really drink whiskey. She wouldn't want. I think it was. Oh, it was morning. It Was morning. It was an early flight. It was an early flight, too. Yeah. There was just like. But it's just such a weird feeling to, like, just take this full bottle out of your bag in the middle of the airport and be like, well, I guess we're just throwing this away now. You know, this thing that I already had massively overpaid for. And it was a. Yeah, Genevieve was pretty rip. Shit about that, so. But the good news is sometimes we aren't pleasantly appalled. Sometimes we show a little restraint.
- [45:32]
Luke Burbank
We need all of the W's that we can find anywhere and everywhere right now. And that is a W that you. You actually under. Consumed while in the hotel room from what your. From what your estimation was.
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Andrew Walsh
That's right.
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Luke Burbank
Tell that to your doctor.
- [45:48]
Andrew Walsh
Are you listening, Doc?
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Luke Burbank
Thank you, baby. All right, let's thank some donors. These fine folks are keeping TBTL going day in and day out. This is 100 listener supported podcasting and it's thanks to folks like Ross Smith, who's in Dedham, Mass.
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Andrew Walsh
All right, thank you, Ross.
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Luke Burbank
One of those. One of those Massachusetts places that. I'm always wondering if I'm saying it correctly, but I think I. I did all right, right?
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Andrew Walsh
You did great. In fact, I was thinking maybe instead of saying dead ass, because you tried that once on the show and you were mocked for it, maybe just say dead.
- [46:36]
Luke Burbank
Em. Low key. Low key. I could consider saying Dedham instead of dead ass. Low key. That might work.
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Andrew Walsh
Low key. We appreciate these donations, Dedham.
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Luke Burbank
We do. High key. We appreciate these donations. Is thanks also to William Hagen, who's in Beverly, Maryland.
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Andrew Walsh
No, Beverly, Mass.
- [46:56]
Luke Burbank
Beverly, Mass.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
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Luke Burbank
Oh, Ma, it's Mass like the other one. I didn't know there was a Beverly, Maryland. You know what happened? We've got a Maryland coming up on the list, and I just was. I was skipping ahead. I am sorry, William. I apologize to you and the Hagans of Beverly, Massachusetts, for. For misstating you the most literal way. You cannot misstate something more than I just did.
- [47:21]
Andrew Walsh
That's a really good point.
- [47:22]
Luke Burbank
You know what I mean?
- [47:23]
Andrew Walsh
Yes.
- [47:23]
Luke Burbank
Like, usually we're saying misstate. Yeah, you messed up. No, I literally had the wrong state.
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Andrew Walsh
It was a misstatement.
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Luke Burbank
I apologize. I. I don't apologize yet to Georgia Millward of Baltimore, Maryland, but, you know, the night is young.
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Andrew Walsh
That's right, Georgia.
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Luke Burbank
We'll see.
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Andrew Walsh
There's.
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Luke Burbank
We got another 15, 20 minutes of the show, so anything could happen. But thank you, Georgia, for your donation. Thanks also to Amy Phil Phillips, who's in Spokane, Washington, I'm sure. Well, yeah, I'm guessing it's. Spokane is not in this moment, part of, as I understand it, the band of cold. But it's this time of year.
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Andrew Walsh
It's.
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Luke Burbank
It's gonna be. It's gonna be brisk over there, and we hope you're staying warm, thanks to Kurt. Pewter Bra of Shoreline, Washington.
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Andrew Walsh
You might have added an R in there. Now I'm getting in your head. Did you say bra? Pewter did. It's Pewterbaugh.
- [48:14]
Luke Burbank
I think Bra. Bra.
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Andrew Walsh
Bra.
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Luke Burbank
Messed up Kurt's bra.
- [48:17]
Andrew Walsh
Bra.
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Luke Burbank
Kurt.
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Andrew Walsh
It's a ba.
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Luke Burbank
Bra. I'm sorry. Pewter Ba.
- [48:21]
Andrew Walsh
Pewter Bah.
- [48:22]
Luke Burbank
Pewter ba. Not pewter bra. Although they both have. Well, now, that's. To me, that's a. That's a. The. The R that I added. That was a. That was a factual mistake, the pronunciation. That one. I don't know. Agree to disagree.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah, well, I. Are you disagreeing with me? I don't know. I'm just saying it could be pewter like you're saying, or it could be Pooter. Right?
- [48:42]
Luke Burbank
It could be.
- [48:43]
Andrew Walsh
But you think. You think it's unlikely, though?
- [48:46]
Luke Burbank
No, I don't know, Andrew. I don't know anything.
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Andrew Walsh
Could it be Putterbaugh?
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Luke Burbank
It could be Putterba. It could be pewter bra. It could be.
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Andrew Walsh
Well, it couldn't be.
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Luke Burbank
It could be Pooter. Pooter. Ba.
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Andrew Walsh
Aren't.
- [48:59]
Luke Burbank
Poodle.
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Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
- [49:01]
Luke Burbank
Poodle Eventualities.
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Andrew Walsh
The cable guy, Right? Or is it the. What. What is the tape we play of Janine Garofalo talking about some kind of.
- [49:12]
Luke Burbank
That's. I believe That's. That's. That's Mr. Show. Right? I don't. Because. Stiller Show.
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Andrew Walsh
T.J. o. Pooter.
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Luke Burbank
Toots. Pootertoots.
- [49:21]
Andrew Walsh
Yes, That's Ben Stiller show. I want.
- [49:24]
Luke Burbank
Oh, that's the Ben Stiller show.
- [49:25]
Andrew Walsh
Okay, Gotcha.
- [49:25]
Luke Burbank
Yeah. Yeah.
- [49:26]
Andrew Walsh
What's going on with those Ben Stiller commercials? I couldn't hear them during the game, so I could only see them.
- [49:31]
Luke Burbank
That's so funny. Last night, when Becca and I were watching the game, I kept unmuting it during the commercials, and I'm sure she was like, wait, why are we doing this? And my thought was, I'm sure this will come up in a conversation with Andrew, and we were both trying to figure out who's the other guy with Ben Stiller.
- [49:45]
Andrew Walsh
I don't see. I saw the visuals of that, but I couldn't hear the commercials, which really gets into my plans for this coming super bowl, by the way. I don't know what I'm going to do.
- [49:54]
Luke Burbank
Oh, I've got more on that too.
- [49:56]
Andrew Walsh
But anyway, so all I know is it looks like it was both like a full commercial, but a teaser for something that's going to happen during the Super Bowl.
- [50:02]
Luke Burbank
It's the. Is it Uber Eats?
- [50:05]
Andrew Walsh
Maybe Instacart. I want to say Instacart.
- [50:08]
Luke Burbank
They're previewing. Instacart is previewing their super bowl ads. They had one with McConaughey too, where he's being all true detective. Well, okay, so just really quickly.
- [50:18]
Andrew Walsh
So. So McConaughey's been doing those Uber Eats commercials for a while now where it's where he's conspiracy theory minded. It was, it's right. I remember the first one in the campaign about a year ago is pre Super Bowl. It was really, really funny and they've maintained it. But that's Uber Eats. But then you have Instacart. I did see that where you had Ben Stiller and some other.
- [50:39]
Luke Burbank
Well, that's really funny then because I, I bundled them together in my mind, I guess, because a, like kind of food or grocery delivery. And two, they both did the same thing, which was they showed you a commercial and then they said more coming. Whatever it is, February 8th, 9th, whatever day the super bowl is. So both of those ads were previews for their super bowl ad. And I just in my mind thought they must all be working for the same company. So I guess we have multiple. I guess this is the thing now is maybe you start trying to build some interest in your super bowl ad in the weeks before the super bowl, but by buying other ad time.
- [51:14]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, the teasers, they've been doing this for a long time.
- [51:16]
Luke Burbank
That's been going on for a while.
- [51:17]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. That's why Veeves and I, we always end up doing like three shows regarding super bowl commercials. One about all the teasers, which ends up being a long show before the Super Bowl. Then the super bowl reaction show. Then the listeners get to respond in the, in the last one. Last time. Our super bowl show, just the super bowl show was four and a half hours long. It was an hour longer than the football game, as I believe listener Max pointed out. So we're going to try to be more restrained this year. But anyway, yeah, no, I would like.
- [51:45]
Luke Burbank
You to get it up. Up to five hours.
- [51:46]
Andrew Walsh
Genevieve refuses. I love that I'm not doing it again. She's like, I'm not doing it again. I'm like, we'll see. We'll see. But it looks like Benson Boone is the guy sitting.
- [51:56]
Luke Burbank
Oh, that's Benson Boone.
- [51:57]
Andrew Walsh
That's what the Internet is telling me in its overview, but I. Let me double check.
- [52:02]
Luke Burbank
That's interesting. Okay, so Benson Boone, he is a musician. He's from, like, Maple Valley. He's from the Greater Seattle. That's a broad interpretation of Washington. And he's very famous now for. He's got this big music career going. He does backflips on stage. He sings that Don't Take these Beautiful Things or whatever song that plays a lot on places. Anyway, that's Benson Boone. How interesting. I would not have been able to there, by the way. The ad is pretty funny. It's like he's the little brother. Ben Stiller's the older brother. It's kind of unclear if they're like a sort of a. I don't know if they're supposed to be a Siegfried and Roy, minus the. The sex, presumably, but like some kind of a brother duo of some form. And. And you've got Ben Stiller's kind of roasting Benson Boone, but in a pretty funny character. Y way, as Ben Stiller is. Is capable and want to do so. That one actually looked a lot better to me than the McConaughey when the McConaughey one was like, actually felt like they were on fumes. He's, like, suspicious that the. The 49ers mascot is named Sourdough, which is a bread. Oh, is it your name Sourdough, which is a bread?
- [53:11]
Andrew Walsh
Is it.
- [53:11]
Luke Burbank
The football is an excuse to sell food, man. And I'm on you. And he's, like, eating a piece of Sourdough as he talks. I mean, it felt like nobody, including Sourdough, wanted to be there for this commercial.
- [53:20]
Andrew Walsh
And who is the mascot? It's like a.
- [53:22]
Luke Burbank
Because I remember it's a 49er, but it's a 49.
- [53:24]
Andrew Walsh
Okay. That's right. I couldn't quite remember. I remember seeing it with the sound off. That campaign started strong. It gets like. His whole thing is like, football is here to sell. Sell food, man. And he was sitting on the couch with, I want to say maybe McCaffrey. But this goes back. This goes back like, a. Over a year ago now. And it was actually started off really good. But I could see and then remember they started putting in another actor in those Uber Eats commercials. The guy from the Hangover. He's in a bunch of them. He's in a board at Helms. No. Are you joking? I know he's in there, but he's in the hangover. Who's the handsome man from the Hangover?
- [53:59]
Luke Burbank
Oh, Brad. Bradley Cooper.
- [54:00]
Andrew Walsh
Bradley Cooper. And he's trying to.
- [54:01]
Luke Burbank
What if I beat Zach Galifianakis, who I think is underrated handsome, by the way. Very handsome man.
- [54:05]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, I think so, too. I still can't believe that one meme is not him. That. That gif of.
- [54:11]
Luke Burbank
Oh, yeah.
- [54:11]
Andrew Walsh
Is that Robert Redford? Who is it that turns around?
- [54:13]
Luke Burbank
Yes, it's Robert Redford.
- [54:15]
Andrew Walsh
I don't know if we ever got to that. That was in the show sheet a while back, like a year or like a half a year ago. I don't think we ever talked about it. Because you were like. A lot of people don't realize this is not Zach Galifianakis. I learned in that moment. Moment that it was in Zach Galifianakis.
- [54:28]
Luke Burbank
Andrew. The only handsome redhead from yesteryour that I'm interested in talking about is Dick Hammer. Do you know who Dick Hammer is?
- [54:38]
Andrew Walsh
I do. I'm just trying to place it. Also, I thought you were tying it into our final donor of the day. And I was like, how do you know she has.
- [54:44]
Luke Burbank
I was. This is One of Aaron McNamara's favorite dazzling details about Sam Darnold. By the way, Aaron's in Westmont, Illinois.
- [54:51]
Andrew Walsh
Oh, oh, oh, oh. Dick Hammer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His dad, right? The Marlboro man, right? Granddad. The Marlboro Man. Yes.
- [54:57]
Luke Burbank
Sam Darnold, our quarterback. His granddad was one of the four original Marlboro men, and his name was Dick Hammer. He also played in the Olympics. He was on the US men's volleyball team in the Olymp. In like, the 1940s Olympics.
- [55:09]
Andrew Walsh
And he also. In this. I'm not saying this as a joke, but it is notable that he was the Marlboro man who died of lung cancer, which I remember.
- [55:18]
Luke Burbank
I didn't know that part, I think.
- [55:20]
Andrew Walsh
I think so. Yeah. Which is.
- [55:21]
Luke Burbank
Oh, I remember because I remember being a kid and hearing about a Marlboro man had died of lung cancer. And that, of course, being a stern lesson about what cigarette smoking will do to you. But I didn't realize that was Dick Hammer. I guess he had a one in four chance. I mean, there was four Marlboro men.
- [55:36]
Andrew Walsh
Of the four just like Plasky. I. Yeah, I did. I did confirm it. He did. And again, I'm not trying to. Whatever. Raise that for. I'm not trying to dunk, but, yeah, that. That. That stood out to me as well. Can I ask you a question? And I'm going to make things really uncomfortable here. We can cut this out if you want. Want. But I didn't understand you were. You were going back to this Insta. Instacart commercial, which, by the way, I'm going to read the description for you in a moment off of the official site just so we can get some clarity on it. But you said there's dress like Siegfried and Roy without the sex thing. What is the sex?
- [56:04]
Luke Burbank
Well, Siegfried and Roy were partners in life.
- [56:06]
Andrew Walsh
They were. Oh, I didn't know that.
- [56:08]
Luke Burbank
And the Instacart thing is Ben Stiller's playing the older brother of Benson Boone.
- [56:14]
Andrew Walsh
You know, I'm gonna say one of the stupidest things I've said on this show, which is statement, but for some reason I was like, oh, yeah, Siegfried and Roy, they're brothers. They have different names. That would have been my first clue that they're not brothers. We're brothers. We have different last names. I mean, it happens. But that would be going against the grain there. Oh, I did not know that they were partners. They were partners. Or did they?
- [56:41]
Luke Burbank
I mean, I sure hope they were because I have always. I mean, I don't think they're brothers, but I also assumed that they were partners both in life and in their performances. And I think that was kind of a known thing. But I guess I never actually, you know, I never independently confirmed it. The New York Times has not independently confirmed this information yet.
- [57:02]
Andrew Walsh
What is.
- [57:04]
Luke Burbank
I'm, I'm. Let's see. I'm on there. It also could have been one of those things. Let's see. Okay, okay. According to Wikipedia, Fischbacher and Horn, those were their last names, were romantically involved, though details were never disclosed. Likely to avoid any negative effect on their careers for biases against homosexuality. They lived together at Jungle Palace, a Moroccan themed 8 acre estate in Las Vegas they called Little Bavaria, although they had separate houses on the property since 1996. In 2007, they came out in the National Enquirer, but they reverted to their preferred state of privacy. So.
- [57:39]
Andrew Walsh
Interesting.
- [57:40]
Luke Burbank
Okay, seems like it was.
- [57:41]
Andrew Walsh
It's verified here. Sometimes these are humorous, sometimes not. I didn't have a chance to scan this whole thing, but I'm going to read to you the description of this commercial with Ben Stiller and Benson Boone. Ben Stiller and Benson Boone sit side by side in matching green 1970s outfits, trying to harmonize like musician brothers. Benson jumps into a high pitch and the harmony breaks, sparking bickering as Ben tells him to sing more Like a man. They try again, but Benson drifts right back into the height keys and the harmony falls apart once again. Tune into Super Bowl 60 on February 8, 2026, to see the bickering brothers if they can find their rhythm with Instacart.
- [58:22]
Luke Burbank
Okay, that's that pretty much. But the thing that I feel like we saw. I don't know if they were singing in that one, but Ben Stiller was doing a funny thing where he was basically saying, like, to Benson Boone, like, you are grown, like an adult, but your brain is small, like a child's or something. It was like. I actually kind of, like, thought that, like. Like, I don't know if they wrote. I'm paraphrasing. I don't know if they wrote that for Ben or if that was, like, the umpteenth riff they did, but I thought it was actually pretty funny.
- [58:48]
Andrew Walsh
Can we take a listen to this? Because, again, I've seen it and I don't know, like you said, they might have released a couple of these yesterday. So not 100% sure this is the same one you saw, but this is the one that matches the description I just read. Hey, get him just how you like.
- [59:05]
Luke Burbank
What are you, a man?
- [59:06]
Andrew Walsh
I don't sing Loudo. It's a harmony.
- [59:08]
Luke Burbank
I'm harmonizing. I don't like it. Okay. I never liked it.
- [59:13]
Andrew Walsh
I am sorry.
- [59:14]
Luke Burbank
He's the guy. I am a little boy who has a mustache.
- [59:17]
Andrew Walsh
Try singing, huh? Would you like to go again?
- [59:20]
Luke Burbank
Yeah, go again. Oh, my God.
- [59:24]
Andrew Walsh
Goodness.
- [59:24]
Luke Burbank
My goodness.
- [59:26]
Andrew Walsh
That's pretty good.
- [59:27]
Luke Burbank
You find the one where they're sitting next to each other sort of like on director's chairs. I think they've got, like, an instacart bag. Next.
- [59:33]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, that is it. They're sitting on director's chairs. Instacart right between them.
- [59:37]
Luke Burbank
Well, interesting, because they. Yeah, they must have aired. They must have done a bunch of them because the one that. The one that we were watching yesterday during the game, it didn't have them singing. It was them maybe before or after that moment. And again, I thought it was pretty funny, but I don't know how I would describe it.
- [59:50]
Andrew Walsh
I think this one is exactly. They're both in the same exact set. Here, let's take a look.
- [59:54]
Luke Burbank
I'm Gary.
- [59:55]
Andrew Walsh
I'm John.
- [59:55]
Luke Burbank
And we are excited to sing for you this football game. Hopefully many, many goals and fun time, different football.
- [60:04]
Andrew Walsh
They touched down.
- [60:05]
Luke Burbank
You just ruined the Titan. I'm telling you, it is just. And I'm telling you, you're just My little brother. My young little brother with big mustache.
- [60:13]
Andrew Walsh
And big muscles, but still little boy head, huh?
- [60:16]
Luke Burbank
Still little boy mind. I hate you, but we call him John and we're gonna perform for you. Little boy had little boy mind.
- [60:25]
Andrew Walsh
They got me. I'm interested in seeing where this goes. They got me.
- [60:28]
Luke Burbank
Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Well, thank you to our donors. We don't have that instacart money yet.
- [60:32]
Andrew Walsh
Yet.
- [60:33]
Luke Burbank
We don't have that. You face money. Who are you facing? So we need the donors, and we couldn't do this without you.
- [60:46]
Andrew Walsh
Hello and welcome to Top Story.
- [60:49]
Luke Burbank
All right, Andrew, I'm going to level with you Right now. It's Miami. I'm looking outside. We've got another hour or two of sunlight. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna. We can talk TikTok tomorrow. Let's talk Seahawks right now. And the incredible sort of like the highs and the lows of yesterday you said you watched at the Eagles. There was something else, I think, that we were. You were going to talk about related to just the experience of the game for you?
- [61:17]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, I was just going to say that, like, this is weird coming from me because I started this season so chill, bro. On football, like, I'll catch a game here and there. I wasn't watching all of the games, doing my other Sunday stuff. And then, you know, I feel a little bandwagon y because it got, as it got more and more, you know, kind of interesting with the Seahawks just continuing to win and then having the. I think they had their best winning record franchise history. Am I right about that? 14 wins, I think is.
- [61:47]
Luke Burbank
Yes, most wins ever. It does help that they added a game, of course.
- [61:51]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. Still, though. So anyways, as you know, I've been getting more and more into it. But then it was kind of funny because yesterday I wasn't even sure I wanted to go to the Eagles, to be honest with you, because I felt like all this week I was not entertaining the Burbankian mindset of optimism. I was feeling pretty pessimistic about this game. I thought that it was going to be a close game, that the Seahawks were going to lose, and that it was going to be really, really heartbreaking, which is kind of of funny coming from a guy who didn't really care about football that much, supposedly six months ago. But knowing that I was going to sort of be really bummed if they lost, and even more so, I think to the hands of a rival like the Rams, I was really starting to get into that. Like, I just do not want to see The Rams celebrating in Seattle, you know, going to the super bowl or whatever. And it sort of felt. I don't know, like, whatever. I was pretty concerned about my mindset, and so I was like, I think I'm going to watch this one at home, even though I'd been watching the past couple of games with the gang at the Eagles. But I knew your brother might be coming to the Eagles, and I haven't seen your brother in forever, so I was like, well, if your brother's coming, then I'll definitely go. And so I checked in with him on Saturday, and he said, yeah, I'm going to be there. And I was like, all right, then. Then I. Then I will be there as well. But I did send a note to the whole crew just saying, like, I'm going to see this game with you guys at the Eagles, but I'm pretty anxious about it. So if I'm, like, super not communicative at times, like, please don't take it personally. Just sort of, like, setting the groundwork for that and. Or setting expectations for my behavior a little bit. If I turn inward, which I did, like, I realized. And I think it took me a little bit of reflection this morning to figure out exactly what was going on with me yesterday. But I think what happened was never once during that entire game was I convinced that the Seahawks were going to win. And after that taunting penalty, I was. I felt like it was a fait accompli that they were going to lose. I was like, well, that's the moment.
- [63:59]
Luke Burbank
It was so hard to not feel that way.
- [64:00]
Andrew Walsh
It was just. And so I spent. That happened. Did that happen kind of near the beginning of the third quarter? Was. That happened, right?
- [64:06]
Luke Burbank
It was at the end of the third quarter.
- [64:07]
Andrew Walsh
Oh, the end of the third quarter. Okay. Because it felt like it loomed larger over the game than just one quarter to me. But those were just my emotions. But I. Once that happened, I was convinced we were going to lose. And there was a big chunk of the game where we were still up by, I want to say, 4.
- [64:24]
Luke Burbank
4. And we were never. After we scored that touchdown to end the first half, we never had a lead that was less than 4. Which, against a lot of teams with the Seahawks defense, you're like, you don't feel great, but you're like, even a field goal doesn't tie this. You feel like you're in the driver's seat. It never felt like that.
- [64:43]
Andrew Walsh
That. Yes, exactly. And so. And it was after that, and it was after that penalty that just felt so I don't know, laden with the fate or I don't know what the word I'm looking for there is, but just felt so fateful, honestly. And I was convinced we were going to lose. And then I started getting like, pretty sour, like just in my own head, not saying anything. But our friend Katie, it was not too long after that that she's like, well, let's get a big, you know, group photo of the. Of all of us here. Nobody had to get up or anything. We're just sit there. But like, I didn't. I hope I never see that photo because I'm sure I am not looking at the camera and I am not smiling, I will tell you that much, because I was just kind of like this. I can't do a group selfie right now. Like, I just. But again, we're up by four points, so I'm not saying that Katie was doing anything wrong by doing this, but in my head, we were going to lose this game and it was going to be a very tough thing for me to watch Puka Nakua celebrating on the field, you know, like. And so I'm just. And by the time the game ended, I was thinking about it this morning. I'm like, oh, that feeling I had was until literally those last three seconds drained off the clock because their receiver.
- [65:55]
Luke Burbank
Didn'T technically down in bounds.
- [65:58]
Andrew Walsh
I don't even think I realized that that was Nakua. But I. And then we watched it and then everybody just, you know, screamed in celebration. By the end of the game, by the way I left the table we were sitting at and just was pacing in the back of the room, which then led to like four other people doing the same thing. And then we all needed to pace, I think. And not even. I don't mean of our crew, I mean of other tables and stuff. People needed pacing room, you know what I mean? And so there was a bunch of us kind of in the back of the room. Your brother, I think, was one of them too. Some guy I didn't know. We're all just pacing and being nervous because I lived that whole game ready for the pain of the loss, even during the large chunks of the game where the Seahawks had the lead. And I think that it was at one point somebody did say, andrew, you look stressed. And it was like somebody who kind of came, you know, clearly not that big of a football fan, but somebody who was like, kind of there because this is a fun time to hang out with your football fan friends. But I was just kind of like, I am stressed. I am the one who stresses. Like, I was not, I could not pretend to be social and in a good mood because I was ready to just like go crazy when we lose and tie it all to one guy's jawing at the, at the opposing team's sideline.
- [67:15]
Luke Burbank
I was in exactly the same sort of mental state. I kept trying to remind myself, we do have the lead. We do seem to be demonstrating the ability to move the ball on offense. But it all. The game just felt so precarious. It felt like almost like we were playing from behind the whole game because we were so in case we have such a hard time stopping Matthew Stafford that it just felt like anytime they got the ball, they were likely going to score a touchdown. So we had to keep scoring touchdowns to stay ahead because it was, it felt inevitable what they were doing. And so because of that, a four point lead, which under normal circumstances, again with the Seahawks defense should just be like, okay, we're in a good position here. It just felt like at any moment they're going to score a touchdown and suddenly we're going to be behind. And now Sam Darnold's oblique is going to flare up and now, now, like, you know, Jared Verse is gonna sack him. And like, I, I was with you, I was here was. This is a very weird side note to the whole thing, but, like, I was trying to not let my brain go to the fact that if the Rams beat us in two weeks, the super bowl was going to be the Rams against the Patriots. Because, like, I would be. That there would be nothing in that game for me to root for, you know, peace and love to our friends who are Patriots fans and our friends who are Rams fans, but they're just like not two teams that I root for. If the Eagles got in there against the Rams and I've got, if, you know, hell, if the Arizona Cardinals got in there, you know, like, there's a whole bunch of different teams that could be playing each other where I could figure out a rooting interest. I can't, I can't freaking break out of the escape room, okay? I don't know the, I don't know the code to the. Get out of the escape room that is Rams Pats. For me, like, just. There's nobody in that situation I like. So that would have just been extra bummer. Like two weeks of like, hype around the Rams and the Patriots and just sitting on the sidelines and then realizing that, like, that whole Sunday I'm going to be eating a deviled egg. And I'm going to look up and I'm going to have to see, you know, cut to Mike Vrabel, who, by the way, I don't particularly dislike Mike Vrabel. I kind of have no opinion on him. But just like cut to delirious Pat's fans or cut to delirious Rams fans and just like that was going to extra ruin it for me. Like, I can live with the Seahawks not being in the Super Bowl. It happens most years. But then I've got to figure out, okay, well, what is the thing about this game that I find interesting? And I was like struggling to think of what that would be if it was Rams Pats. So anyway, I. But I was also at the same time trying to not allow myself to continue raising the stakes in my own mind of the whole thing because like you, I kept waiting for that moment where the bottom dropped out. I kept waiting for that moment where There was a 60 yard pass where the free safety falls down and there was a Ram just like just sauntering into the end zone. And they cut to apoplectic Seahawk fans and we realized that everything has shifted and now the Rams are leading and are in the driver's seat. I kept waiting for that moment to.
- [70:11]
Andrew Walsh
Happen to me too. Even that. You know what, what did they have? When they started their final drive, which I think ended up being three total.
- [70:18]
Luke Burbank
Plays, it was like 29 seconds or maybe even less. It might have. Maybe even less.
- [70:22]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. It was so between 23. And yet it felt.
- [70:25]
Luke Burbank
I, I was like, I was so. I mean, I was standing on the, I was standing out on the balcony like, look, watching through the open sliding glass door because that seemed like way too much time for them. Like Matthew Stafford, who has a gun for an arm even at age whatever he is 37 him from the 50. Like if Nakua would have just like gotten a cleat out one second earlier and they. They get to actually like throw a Hail mary from the 50 50. I don't like our chances on that, even though it's a very low probability play. Like I could. I mean, here's actually what I said about the Reek Woolen play I wrote on Blue sky because again, I was just processing my feelings in a million different directions. My initial thing was take his helmet, kick him off the team right now. And for the people that don't know, this is a weird thing for me to clarify because if you don't know what I'm talking about, you don't care what I'M talking about.
- [71:15]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah, yeah, right.
- [71:16]
Luke Burbank
So yeah, there's like me explaining it doesn't matter. You either know what I'm talking about or you don't. But this guy for the Seahawks named Tariq Wolin, who was extremely good in his first couple of seasons, has had. Do you know he has the most taunting penalties of anyone in the NFL this year? No, he has three. No other Seahawks has more than one. The Seahawks as a team lead the NFL in taunting penalties. By the way, Reek Woollen had two costly taunting penalties in the beginning of the season to the point where they almost traded him or cut him. They were was very real talk that he was not going to be a Seahawk. They kept him around. He sort of got it together and was getting back to being a reliable, good player. And then for him to do this, he. The Seahawks had stopped the Rams on a critical drive and we're about to get a punt and get the ball back. Tariq Wolin, by the way, could have intercepted that ball. He sort of didn't. Then he goes over to the Ram.
- [72:06]
Andrew Walsh
Sideline, does a really good job of.
- [72:08]
Luke Burbank
Playing defense, which by the way, I've noted him doing. Yeah, in both of the last two games against the Seahawks, there were critical plays where the Seahawks could have picked it, but Puka Nakua turned into a db. So add that to the resume for that guy. I mean, he's a. Whatever his politics are, he's a pretty phenomenal football player. But then this guy, Reek Woolen then goes over to the Rams sideline and is jawing with them, even though the umpire's like, hey man, you got to go to the other side. And he can't just like turn on his heel and run towards his sideline. He keeps saying stuff to where a flag is thrown, by the way, I actually don't think that that kind of unsportsmanlike should impact the previous play if we can just get X's and O's. Now I know I'm saying that because it almost lost the game for us because they ended up extending the drive for the Rams, who have the very next play through a touchdown on the guy that Reek Wolin was guarding. So that was. That says about as bad as I've ever seen it happen for a particular player in a high impact game like this, a high pressure game. But don't you think it's kind of silly? There are lots of plays that are dead ball plays that don't affect the outcome of the play. For instance, if Tariq Woolen would have intercepted that ball. Right. And then he starts running it back and then somebody for the Seahawks does a crack back block on the Rams, does an illegal block on the Rams and they're trying to tackle Reek Woolen. That doesn't change the interception. You just lose whatever it is, 15 yards. Like I think, honestly. And I would. I would be okay with this in both directions, even if it impacted us negatively. If the play is over, the play is dead, the whistle has been blown, the pass is incomplete. To me, the action is done. The Rams, it's. I guess the question is, well, how do you enforce that? Because it's 4th and 12. Where does the penalty get walked off?
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Andrew Walsh
Well, I guess other penalty. I could not agree with what you're saying more. That's why I was confused in the moment that it would be applied to the previous play because there are tons. I mean there are a lot of. Like if you have a block in the back on a kick return, that that penalty is applied to where the ball is going to be placed for the next play. Right.
- [74:08]
Luke Burbank
Well, I guess the problem with my logic is they still have a play on fourth down. So in other words, if you said that Requillin did something illegal, he was taunting. The Rams still have the ball. It isn't after the punt. That's what I was kind of miss.
- [74:20]
Andrew Walsh
I was confusing that in my mind. Right. Like.
- [74:23]
Luke Burbank
So it's fourth down for the Rams.
- [74:24]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
- [74:24]
Luke Burbank
Tree Qualen has violated the rules. There are yards to be assessed.
- [74:27]
Andrew Walsh
Yes. Yes.
- [74:28]
Luke Burbank
How do you assess them? You sort of have. Have to. I guess what I mean is.
- [74:30]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
- [74:31]
Luke Burbank
Because I believe also I might be wrong about this, but if that were a fourth down play, I think it could have extended the play. And that I think would be a problem. It was a third down play. So I guess there's no logical way to deal with it otherwise. But I think, let's just say on fourth down, if you do something dumb after a fourth down play is over. It should not give a first down to the team that was trying on fourth down. It should just be assessed against you because you, you know, the play was over, you stopped them on fourth down. And now your offense is gonna have to deal with the fallout from whatever you did from a yard standpoint.
- [75:03]
Andrew Walsh
But now I'm just gonna confuse things even more though. But I. Cause I don't. I guess I don't. That's usually a 15 yard penalty. Right. So that's why it becomes first down. Maybe it is applied to the next play. But it was fourth down. But with that, with the penal, with the penalty yardage, it now becomes an automatic first down. That happens on a whole automatic first.
- [75:22]
Luke Burbank
Down doesn't mean that the yardage is achieved. Automatic first down is a type of penalty. So for instance, if it's fourth and 15 and there's defensive holding, that's a five yard penalty. But it's an automatic first down.
- [75:35]
Andrew Walsh
But I'm just asking here, but like, let's say that you. Let's say that you have. And maybe this is what you just said, but I need to, I need to get this clear in my own head. This is not for the podcast, by the way. This is just you and I talking.
- [75:46]
Luke Burbank
We're not recording.
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Andrew Walsh
We're going to record.
- [75:48]
Luke Burbank
That is not waiting to go to the pool.
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Andrew Walsh
Somebody please just lean on Nixon's delete button for a little bit here because, Alderman, I know that there is something that's an automatic first down. But then aren't there also penalties that are just like. Let's say that that penalty is. Is. This is the shortest yardage penalty, a 10 yard penalty. Are there any five, five yard. There are five yard penalties.
- [76:08]
Luke Burbank
So let's say that they're even shorter. Technically there are half the distance of the goal.
- [76:13]
Andrew Walsh
Right.
- [76:13]
Luke Burbank
When you're in two yards.
- [76:14]
Andrew Walsh
But let's. That's a weird side category. Yeah. So let's just say that you are in a position, you're on offense and you have. It's third down and you have, you know, three yards to get to get a first down. And you don't quite get it on your play, but then there's some sort of penalty that awards you five more yards that puts you past that first down line. And it's not an automatic first down, but by the very nature of getting those yards, you have achieved a first down. Wouldn't that have been the case in this case?
- [76:45]
Luke Burbank
Yes, this. It was both.
- [76:48]
Andrew Walsh
Both. It was both. I missed that.
- [76:50]
Luke Burbank
So yes, because it was 15 yards, it would have. Just the yardage alone would have made it a first down for the Rams. It also happens to be the kind of penalty that is itself an automatic first down penalty. So there's a weird category of that. Some aren't and some like, like offsides is not an automatic first down. So like let's say you're on offense and it's third and ten and the defense jumps offsides, neutral zone. That's a five yard penalty. Replay, third down. So now they're at third and five. Whereas if on that Third down play, you hike the ball, your receiver is trying to run out like Cooper cup was and the guy is hanging on him. That's defensive holding. It's I believe maybe also five yards or it's like illegal contact. It's also a five yard penalty, but it's automatic first down. So you could be like third and 30 and if they called an illegal defensive hold automatic first down even though you're only advancing five yards from the penalty.
- [77:48]
Andrew Walsh
Well, let.
- [77:49]
Luke Burbank
There also are the ones, like you said, where the yardage itself, because you could do this, you could be, you know, I'm trying to think of what the, a lot of the defensive ones. Well, of course only defensive ones are going to be in the category potentially of automatic first down. But like there are times where something happens and you advance the ball ball, but it doesn't give you the first down because the penalty as they walked, as they walked it off wasn't going to be enough to get you past the first down marker.
- [78:13]
Andrew Walsh
I want to come back around to this penalty in a way that might open up the conversation a little bit back into.
- [78:18]
Luke Burbank
I'd like to close it even more.
- [78:20]
Andrew Walsh
Narrowly because I think that I have to maybe apologize to my dad if that's not a good teaser for you.
- [78:28]
Luke Burbank
So are you listening?
- [78:30]
Andrew Walsh
My dad was clearly watching the game live, which is, that's an, that's an accomplishment anyway. I don't think my father has watched a non time shifted football game in 25 years since, since the advent of TiVo. But he loves time shifting things. But he must have been watching in real time. And so he was texting me a couple of things during the, during the game. And you know, I should be careful. I don't think he expects me to read his text on the air, but it was fine. But he, he said, hey, looking good out there or whatever, you know, in the TV was doing well. And I was like, yeah, I'm so glad to have the lead, but I'm still not breathing easy here. And then out of the blue, right after that reek woollen thing, he just wrote and I hope this is okay to share, but he's wrote what an asshole with a bunch of exclamation points. But the thing is I didn't have the volume on and it didn't look that bad to me. And I was feeling very defensive in the moment, as was Genevieve, as were probably some other people at the table. I don't remember if you, I don't want to misquote your brother because he'll listen to this. I don't know if he felt like that with was a, a right call by the officials.
- [79:30]
Luke Burbank
He did later say in one of the text change, I think Hawk squad that he thought that was a pretty sus call. The taunting call was pretty, pretty sus. So I, I, I would say that's an accurate assessment of his, his perspective on it.
- [79:42]
Andrew Walsh
And that's definitely how I was feeling. But of course I'm a, you know, I'm rooting for a team, so it's all going to feel, you know, I, I, I can't ignore my bias in this case, but I told my dad, I'm like, my dad was just like, what an a hole. And I was just like, that's a, and I just wrote back, I'm like, that's a terrible call like that, that, you know, like, I felt like that was a really bad call because it didn't look that bad on television. I don't like taunting calls anyway, but I sort of understand it like after a big play when you stand over somebody who you just knocked down or intercepted from or something, and you're, you're potentially maybe even straddling him and looking down and saying shit or doing anything. You know, there's been a lot of spitting this year or whatever. Like, okay, all of that stuff. Like, okay, we can talk about taunting and whether or not it's a, whether or not those taunting calls should even be called at all. But in this case, it just looked like a man was jawing with a sideline that was jawing at him. It just looked like a lot of jawing. And it felt like a bad call to me in the moment. But now I think that maybe I was caught up in the moment and I didn't hear the announcers. My dad was like, oh, well, the announcers seem to think it was pretty egregious or whatever. And I didn't hear what Tom Brady was saying, and so I just kind of moved on. And now this morning, I'm kind of like, so I'm not seeing a lot of even Seahawks fans saying that that was a terrible call. Was I just in the wrong there?
- [80:57]
Luke Burbank
Well, it's funny, the difference between watching it at the Eagles with a bunch of people and me watching it here with Becca because, and I had the sound on so that like, and Lord knows I'm not taking any of my marching orders from Tom Brady about how to feel about stuff, but it was like, didn't seem like a blown call to me as much as Tariq Woollen having very poor impulse control, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't. But he wasn't being overly demonstrative. Well, there's an emphasis in the NFL. You are not allowed to like, talk to the other team's sideline. Like, the thing is, you can do almost any manner of incredibly ludicrous celebration as long as it is directed at your sideline or away from, for instance, like three plays later or whenever it was that the Seahawks got the ball back, there was this sack of Sam Darnold, which was like a totally busted, you know, blocking scheme from the Seahawks. I think we lost nine yard on it. And the guy, after he sacked Sam Darnold, he steps one step past him and just starts doing some kind of booty dance. And Becca was like, how is that not taunting? And I was like, he's not doing it in Sam Darnold's direction.
- [82:01]
Andrew Walsh
Yes, I like the same exact conversation with Genevieve because she's like, he's yelling sideline. And I was like, yeah, but it's his sideline.
- [82:08]
Luke Burbank
It's so. You know what I mean? But it's like this is the insane world of the NFL. It's like you can do almost anything as long as it's not. Not. We don't perceive that it's going. It's directed at your enemy. But like, what Reek Woolen did, he was just talking. I kept thinking just if you left your friggin face mask up, like your muff like, you know, he had a little kind of sleeve over his head because it was kind of cold. I was like, if you left up, they can't even see your mouth moving, bro. Just be undercover. Be for real, for real. Like, say what you want to say to them, but just do it low key. Like, do it like John Stockton used to foul people as a Utah Jazz. Like, do it so the ref can't tell. Run back towards your sideline, take a slightly longer route and with your mask still up so they can't even see your mouth moving, just say whatever you want to say and then head over to your sideline. Like it was just. I almost disrespected the technique as much as anything else right from Reek. But.
- [83:00]
Andrew Walsh
But it was a pure lack of control. I mean, that's the thing.
- [83:03]
Luke Burbank
And from a person who has had a. The same lack of control problems this very season, that's why to me it also felt. Felt like, is this like you said, is this our fate? Like there was something kind of Shakespearean about the thing that the guy. The guy had bad impulse control about taunting people, and it almost got him kicked off the team, and then he got it under control, and then here it is in the most important game that he's probably ever played in his life. Certainly I don't think that's been to the super bowl since we've had Reek Woollen. And it comes back, and then. Then it extends the series, and then it. He gets burned on the touchdown. And it just was like. That felt to me like if it was anybody else, if it was like Jordan Love gets called taunting, I'd be like, that was the dumbest play I've ever seen. It's not part of a pattern. It's not Shakespearean to me. It's not like it's not the Achilles heel of Jordan Love, you know, so. So that was why I was just like, I felt really, really distraught by that because it felt to me like it was part of a larger, Larger. I don't know, Shakespearean or cinematic plotline to the. To the movie that was this football game. But you know what I'm just realizing now?
- [84:14]
Andrew Walsh
I'm sorry to interrupt, but I am just realizing that at some point before all of this happened, it might have even been right as the game was beginning. I said something, if it was your brother, he might be able to back me up. But it might have been to Anita. But I was saying to somebody, I'm like, well, I'm just kind of glad, like, we don't have DK here to like, because dk Another easily triggered dude. Exactly. He had no, like, kind of self control and caused a lot of problems for the Seahawks. And I know I was talking about him yesterday, and I think it was before this penalty, kind of saying, like, oh, I'm glad that we're. We kind of play cleaner now because he was always like a liability out there. He would do something great, but then you would have to, you know, bring it back another 15 yards or something because he would stand over somebody and jaw at them while they laid on the ground around.
- [84:59]
Luke Burbank
Totally. And in fact, with DK Metcalf being a Pittsburgh Steeler, and he's had a couple of. And he had a pretty decent season, actually. But he's also. I remember watching a Steelers game or two and seeing him do something that's very dk, where he, like, does that. He. He does a really good play, but then he does something that, you know, he grabs a guy by his face mask or jersey because he's always sort of jawing with these Guys. And he gets the flag thrown. And it's just like. I was. I remember thinking it's like seeing your ex doing something wild online. And you're like, I'm really glad that that's not my reality anymore.
- [85:30]
Andrew Walsh
Yes.
- [85:31]
Luke Burbank
You know?
- [85:31]
Andrew Walsh
Yes.
- [85:32]
Luke Burbank
So I remember having that feeling about DK and being kind of relieved this year. Like, all we've got is the. I mean, there's no other way to say it. Jesus Christ obsessed. Jackson Smith and Jigba. Like, you didn't have the sound up, but it was like, he had such a great game, and I love him so much. And I say this with peace and love to our listeners who are people of faith.
- [85:50]
Andrew Walsh
Faith.
- [85:50]
Luke Burbank
But, like, we get it that you like Jesus, dude. Like, he gets interviewed on the sideline after the game by whoever the national reporter is on Fox, and they're like, how are you feeling? He goes, long pause. Well, I just have to give all of my thanks to my Lord and savior, Jesus Christ. Okay. We're used to this, by the way, as viewers of. Of sporting events. That happens. But, like, okay, thank you. You've gotten that in. Now let's move on to the ex's nose. And he's just like, the way that he has just blessed me and made this possible and brought me to Seattle and that I can even have my life. And I'm like, pastor Smith and Jigba, calm it down. I want to hear how you ran that curl route that got you open for that touchdown. You know what I mean? Like, I just. I. I was just like, oh. And then.
- [86:35]
Andrew Walsh
And then I did find it interesting when Matt Stafford blamed Jesus Christ for the loss, though. That was.
- [86:41]
Luke Burbank
I respect his honesty.
- [86:42]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah.
- [86:43]
Luke Burbank
I respect.
- [86:43]
Andrew Walsh
We were in this game until Jesus betrayed trade us.
- [86:47]
Luke Burbank
That's right. And then it was like, he. He ends up. Jackson Smith and Jigba ends up on the. On the. The platform, you know, for the big celebration. And I'm like. And they bring him over, and it's like, what's he doing? Gets on the mic. He's thanking his Lord and savior, Jesus Christ. I'm like, we heard you the first time. It was four minutes ago.
- [87:07]
Andrew Walsh
I know.
- [87:08]
Luke Burbank
I thought I was gonna get more love from you on my Josh Naylor joke. I thought that was pretty solid.
- [87:12]
Andrew Walsh
Oh, on the. On the text chain, remind me.
- [87:16]
Luke Burbank
Josh Naylor on the back of the podium not wearing the victory T shirt.
- [87:20]
Andrew Walsh
Yes. Yes. You know, there's a really cute photo of him before the game of him wearing jersey. I don't know if he was there or rooting from afar or something. So I think I was. And also by that time, I think there was just a lot going on and I think things got a little bit, maybe a little bit swirly for me later on by that point. But, oh my God, when we actually won, I'm still a little bit like, just like, I don't know. I. Like I said, I was so geared up for heartbreak yesterday that the wind felt just especially good. I feel like I still am not quite, like, oh yeah, like the super bowl, like this is happening and like this is how negative I was. And by the way, you know me, I don't spread my negativity around. I know that, like, it can be a bummer for you guys on the chain and we talk about our friend who does that a little bit too much. So I'm conscientious of that. But like, I was in such a, a pessimistic mood that I was lit. And I'm sort of just realizing this now, Luke, no joke, as I was sort of kind of casually following the game that came prior to this, which was, you know, the Patriots Denver game to decide which one of them would go to the Super Bowl.
- [88:25]
Luke Burbank
Beautiful game, by the way. I mean, artism at its highest form. Well, I mean, granted the snow didn't help, but give me a break. Talk about a couple of. Of a couple of lousy teams.
- [88:36]
Andrew Walsh
Well, that's the thing. I mean, for weeks and weeks now, as I've been listening to just random sports radio on satellite, the doggies Gotcha or Gotcha covered or like wherever I'm getting all my information from. Some of it local, a lot of it national, though it just sort of seemed like everybody agreed that whoever got out of the NFC is going to win the super bowl because the NFC just looks so much better than the afc and then especially when it comes down to these two teams now. But I was still sort of rooting for Denver. I know that a Seattle Patriots matchup, there's some, there's some like sort of sweet vengeance there potentially or whatever. But I also thought that like, you know, Denver with a totally backup quarterback was just like a little bit more like the Wolf from Little Red Riding Hood, licking his chops, you know, asking like, I'll give us Denver. But this is where my pessimism comes in. I think a big chunk of me was pre bum listening and watching to that game, thinking, I'm so bummed that the Rams are going to be able to just devour this. Like, I think I was like Seriously, I'd really, truly.
- [89:36]
Luke Burbank
That's huge. That's your brain trying to emotionally protect you.
- [89:39]
Andrew Walsh
I think maybe, maybe I was just like, I. Because I really. Well, I really did think that, like, and this might sound bananas, like I just did think that. And I don't even know fully what this means, so don't examine it too closely or ask any follow up questions. But it just sort of felt like the Rams were maybe more of a complaint complete team. It just sort of felt like, you know, like yes, that, that touch. That. That touchdown in the first 13 seconds of the last game we played was amazing. But you can't bank on that. You can't bank on a kick return for a touchdown. You know, it just sort of felt like you just would feel more comfortable rooting for the Rams given all, you know, all things being equal. They just sort of seem like a.
- [90:17]
Luke Burbank
You know, their offense and that's what they lost. Lost on the, the phase. Well, there's three phases of the game. Offense, defense and special teams.
- [90:27]
Andrew Walsh
Special teams. Yeah.
- [90:28]
Luke Burbank
And that's, you know, they fired their special teams coach after the last Seahawks game that they lost.
- [90:33]
Andrew Walsh
Somebody had mentioned that. I don't think I was clocking that. I think your brother.
- [90:36]
Luke Burbank
And then the, I think the pivotal play of the game was that muffed. Well, if you not re. If you don't count Reek Woolen, that muffed fumble or sorry, kickoff, the punt rather. That's. I was going to get there. That. That was, that was. That. That was the only way that we won the game obviously was because of that and then the touchdown to Bobo right afterwards. And that's the, that's the only phase of the, of the game that we were, I think consistently better than the Rams in every game this season was the special teams phase. And they. That was one of the things that I think Sam Farmer was writing about in the LA Times today was just that like the, the Rams special teams have been terrible all year and, and it's kind of what lost him the game.
- [91:15]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. And I guess you're right. And that's, you know, and then that was also our special teams in San Francisco or playing San Francisco the week before. So I guess you're right. Right about that. But it just sort of. I just was so. And I'm just sort of again like kind of processing my feelings. Cause yesterday I was just feeling whatever I was feeling as we already talked about in the show and then getting obsessed with the game but then being just like poised to be angry. Like I, I get conspiratorial minded with the, with certain team, Rams and Kansas City under Mahomes. Like, it just. I, I can start to feel like I don't like who I become because I start thinking like, it, it does feel like they really want the Rams to win more when you're talking about the officiating or whatever. And maybe that's just not fair, but I was just like, I was so sour until it was all over.
- [92:05]
Luke Burbank
Yeah, it was so, so stressful. But. And, and I really got to wrap up my portion. I, I totally authorize you to go on as long as you'd like.
- [92:13]
Andrew Walsh
No, no. We've also got. I don't know if you notice your echo cancellation just kicked back, so we got to get out here.
- [92:19]
Luke Burbank
Are you. Were you able to turn that off from your end?
- [92:21]
Andrew Walsh
I can't because we are recording there. But it doesn't matter. We're wrapping up now anyway. But I think that's the universe telling us, like, we're done here.
- [92:28]
Luke Burbank
I will have so much to say in the coming days and weeks about what I think about us and the super bowl and stuff. I will just say the thing that I was really impressed by with the Seahawks yesterday was their ability to convert these third downs when they needed to. And these were not big plays. These weren't flashy plays. It was like a throw to, to Ken Walker, the third, when we were really. After we had stopped them on fourth down and then we were deep in our own territory and it was third and something, and they threw this little route to him where he had to catch the ball and then curl back in and beat two guys. And he got the first down there, the Cooper cup catch, where he hauled it in and then extended to get the first down. Whether he did or not, who knows? They called it a first down. There were just these little gritty moments where Sam Darnold found someone on like third and eight, third and nine. Those are such hard downs to convert. And if any one of those doesn't get converted, we're punting. And I unfortunately think the Rams are going to come down and score on us. So. So, like, I, you know, it's. It's easy to think about like these hero, you know, these 50 yard pass to Jackson Smith and Jigba or whatever, or even Reek Woollen, who I'm still mad at and will forever be mad at. But like, there were just this couple of like these plays that just. No one's going to talk about that I was just like, that's the Game. I kept. Poor Becca kept being like, that might be the game. That might be the game. Like, I just kept saying that about, like, a third and seven completion, because it was like, if we don't do that, we're punting from our own 10. And now this is a totally different football game.
- [94:02]
Andrew Walsh
That's very Dursian of you as well.
- [94:04]
Luke Burbank
Well, you know what? You tell him, what's up, Doc?
- [94:08]
Andrew Walsh
But he's like, that's the game. That's the game. That's the game. I got a text message. I got.
- [94:13]
Luke Burbank
I gotta say, I'm saying it in the positive.
- [94:15]
Andrew Walsh
Oh, I see what you're saying, like, after it's been converted.
- [94:18]
Luke Burbank
I'm saying the Seahawks may have just salted this game away by converting that third and eight there.
- [94:23]
Andrew Walsh
I see. Yeah.
- [94:23]
Luke Burbank
Like. Like, so. So it's, you know, not to. Not to nitpick or to constantly try to be the antiders, but, yeah, I am much more inclined to say that might have been the game, as in, we might have just won that game, which only shapes up about half of the time.
- [94:37]
Andrew Walsh
I got some listeners. It's always very. It's very nice to hear from listeners. Like, first of all, this is really funny. I hear from so many listeners who will text me, because, again, I get texts at the TBTL voicemail line. I get the text on my phone, and people are always checking in. How is Ders doing? People will, like, write in to be like, how is Ders handling all of this? Or whatever. And I got some of those yesterday. And I'm going to say this very, very gently, and I don't want to make the person who sent this feel bad. And I honestly don't know who this person is. It's somebody who texts in sometimes, but I don't have their name saved in the phone, so I have no idea who this person is. But after that reek Woolen penalty, somebody texted in to say, boy, it'd be a shame if that keeps you from going to the super bowl or something like that. And they weren't saying that to taunt. They were saying that, like, supposedly in a supportive way. Right, right. But I was just kind of like, yeah, yeah, it would. Like, I'm. I'm aware of this fact. I don't need this right now. No offense. I know that you meant that in all good spirits and that you're rooting for us, but in the moment, I'm like, yeah, that is. That's sort of what I'm thinking right now, friendo.
- [95:48]
Luke Burbank
I had somebody Who I really. Who I really love. Who's in. I'll just say the far extended version of. I guess you could say my family. Just somebody who I. I really am a fan of. And they texted me right after that play. Sorry to interrupt your vacay, but did you. Are you watching the game? They used the word vacay. Was watching the game. And if I could have picked this condo up. Up with Hulk like strength and just tossed it into the Atlantic Ocean, I would have.
- [96:17]
Andrew Walsh
I love that you point out the vacay thing, because you're right. That is. Me and my hubby are going on vacay. Those are like, two words I just can't. I don't abide by. I never really examined that before.
- [96:26]
Luke Burbank
Showed it to Becca. And of course, because Becca's a normal person, I was like, can you believe this? And she was like, I don't know. It's like. Doesn't seem like that's not. I mean, injurious to you. I was like, it does hurt me. It hurts me bad.
- [96:40]
Andrew Walsh
Hey, you know what I just saw when we started talking about this? I was just sort of googling around while we're talking. I didn't not see Reek Woolen's apology on X the everything app. Did you see? I saw it.
- [96:49]
Luke Burbank
I heard it.
- [96:50]
Andrew Walsh
Oh, I didn't. I. Okay. I don't know if he did more than one or maybe. Does this gif have audio? I just see the picture of a little cartoon fox in meme writing that says, I'm sorry. Do you still love me? And he just hashtag wrote, no more taunting penalties. Is this what you saw?
- [97:05]
Luke Burbank
He apolog. He apologized. He said the right things. And I believe it. I just don't know. I mean, I believe that he means it. He definitely said the right stuff. I just, you know, I just worry. The thing is, those taunting penalties are. It's the kind of thing that you can plan on not doing, but then you're three MC ultras in and are. Who knows? Now you're in the moment. Now you're in an emotionally reactive state. So I do think. I do think his taunting penalties are done for the season. I do believe that.
- [97:33]
Andrew Walsh
Yeah. Well, he's only got. He's got to get through one more game.
- [97:35]
Luke Burbank
Yeah, one game. He's got to get through four quarters, my friend.
- [97:37]
Andrew Walsh
But I do sort of find it. So I didn't see the official apology or whatever he said, but I. I do. I sort of think just releasing a gift that says without punctuation I'm sorry, do you still love me with this big. That's literally from It's Reek Wool and posted that to X at 9:20pm last night. So it might have been after he made his official apology, but I got to say, it's making me laugh. And again, we won, so we can laugh at that. But it's kind of like, I'm sorry, do you still love me? Is very humanized.
- [98:09]
Luke Burbank
That is actually funny. I will give him credit on that because. Because winning covers a lot of.
- [98:13]
Andrew Walsh
Yes.
- [98:14]
Luke Burbank
You know, a lot of. It's a. It's a pretty big band aid on things. So now that's funny and cute to me.
- [98:18]
Andrew Walsh
Yes, it is.
- [98:19]
Luke Burbank
Can you imagine if he posted that and we'd lost? It would have been like, find him. Yes, Find him and get him.
- [98:26]
Andrew Walsh
Exactly. All right.
- [98:28]
Luke Burbank
Okay. Well, that I think probably is where we should wrap things up today. But I have incredible news. We are going to be right back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for. For you. So if you can please join us for that. In the meantime, everybody, have a great Monday. Hope you're holding up. And yeah, hope you're doing as okay as anything can be right now in this moment of our time. And just know that we're with everybody and we feel all the same things you feel in a million different directions. So thanks for being part of tbtl, everybody. We'll see you tomorrow. In the meantime, please remember, no Mountain Too tall.
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Andrew Walsh
And good luck to all. Power out.