#4653 In The White Barn, With My YouTube

Summary

TBTL #4653 "In The White Barn, With My YouTube" (Jan 30, 2026)

Episode Overview

This Friday episode of TBTL—hosted by Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh—mixes absurdity, heartfelt tributes, and cozy domestic talk as the two longtime friends process the news of Catherine O’Hara's passing, detail a major (by their standards) home remodel, and riff on all things from football to power tools. The show radiates TBTL’s typical blend of affectionate goofiness, mild self-deprecation, pop culture nostalgia, and the tiny victories of middle age.

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Major Topics and Discussion Points

1. Remembering Catherine O’Hara (Starts ~02:29)

• Tribute and Shock: The hosts open with a heartfelt, semi-rambling tribute to beloved actor and comedian Catherine O’Hara, who passed away at 71. Both are stunned at how “young” that now feels.
  • Luke: “It sure seems, Andrew, that the older that I get, the younger that people are when they pass away. And 71 is not old at all.” [07:01]
• O’Hara’s Career: The hosts survey O’Hara’s sprawling, multigenerational comedy career, from SCTV and the Christopher Guest mockumentaries to her iconic roles in Beetlejuice, Home Alone, and finally Schitt’s Creek.
  • Luke and Andrew both geek out over specific scenes from "Waiting for Guffman" and "Best in Show".
  • Andrew: “She just contained so many multitudes and was just so beloved too.” [12:59]
• Schitt’s Creek’s Moira Rose: They play a classic “fold in the cheese” scene from Schitt’s Creek, marveling at O’Hara’s unmatched comedic delivery and bonkers accent.
  • [Clip] Moira Rose: “You just… that’s what you do. You just fold it in.” [17:57-18:45]
• Personal Connection: Catherine O’Hara’s drops are a long-running staple on TBTL, making the news especially poignant for both.

2. Friday Home Project Chat: Andrew’s Basement Renovation (Begins ~19:46)

• Remodeling a Basement “Kitchenette”: Andrew details the launch of a long-awaited renovation on his grotty basement mini-kitchen, including counters, cabinetry, lighting, and a new electrical panel.
  • Andrew: “I just picture, like, when we have… this is the first time that we've ever just been able to say, like, well, we're investing in this. This is our forever project.” [31:13]
• DIY and Contractor Issues:
  • The conversation riffs on construction language ("shim" talk), old houses, and the various horrors discovered behind walls.
  • Andrew expresses joy at finding a construction crew whose worksite habits (neatness, organization) mirror his own OCD tendencies.
  • Andrew: “When I got back last night… to come downstairs and see it’s all torn out, but also like really clean. This is my kind…” [39:36]
• Design Debates & Lighting: Luke and Andrew commiserate about spousal debates over renovations, especially the tension between “Do it once, do it right!” and budget/over-improvement anxieties.
  • Dimmer switches, “coat hook moments,” and how much joy the right amount of under-cabinet lighting can bring.
• Style Trends: They chat about the pressures of home design trends (e.g., “industrial pipe shelving”), trying to toe the line between timeless and “so 2023.”
  • Luke: “I was trying to make it so that if you, ideally, if you walked into my place in 10 years, you wouldn’t have that moment that we’ve all had... 'Oh, so this was remodeled in 2023.'” [50:08]

3. Super Bowl Viewing Logistics and Football Anxiety (from ~62:36 on)

• Luke's Solomonic Plan for Seahawks Super Bowl:
  • Luke explains his personal tension with watching the Seahawks with a crowd versus pacing alone, and describes the solution for the upcoming Super Bowl: setting up his own “satellite party” in a barn—literally, the “White Barn” near his partner’s family home in Salem, Oregon. He’ll rig up a projector and streaming in the barn, near but not in the main festivities, so he can “get all his wiggles out” without harshing anyone’s mellow.
  • Luke: “If my energy and anxiety levels go to some sort of place that I'm having a difficult time managing, I'm not going to be ruining the party… I've got a pressure release.” [69:40]
• Andrew’s Prediction: Andrew suggests others might gravitate to the barn, turning it into the “kitchen of a house party.” [76:24]
• Coping With Fandom: Luke tries to modulate his intensity and describes how, while watching with Becca, he managed not to spiral out even during low points, texting rants to Andrew “instead of yelling at [his] wife about Reek Woolen’s helmet.”

4. Listener Interactions & Notable Emails (Starts ~77:21)

• Listener Validation and Emotional Resonance: TBTL shares an emotional email from listener Sarah, who found comfort in the show’s willingness to hold both joy and sorrow during a difficult week (reference to tragic events in Minneapolis).
  • Sarah (via Andrew): “Some mountains feel too tall, but they're not if we're climbing together…” [80:04]
• Andrew’s Home Video Mystery Solved: Listener Molly responds to the call-out regarding a 1994 Bitter Lake Community Center VHS digitized by Andrew. She identifies “Dari” (the cameraperson) as her summer camp leader, confirming Andrew’s hunch and sending him into minor ecstasy.
  • Andrew: “I cannot put into words…I do all of this digitizing and it gives me a feeling…But to be able to come on the show and hear somebody say, ‘Oh yeah, I know that person,’…there should be a German word for it…” [85:32]
• Hopes for Further Reunion: Luke and Andrew muse about tracking down “Dari” for closure or maybe even an interview.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On O’Hara’s legacy:
  • Andrew: “Catherine O’Hara was so talented and special that the problem is I forgot she was mortal.” [12:58]
• Luke, on aging & obituaries:
  • “I remember having that conversation…What’s her most memorable thing to the mainstream culture?...I think most people would be ‘Oh, the Home Alone lady.’ For you and I, that’s not what ranks, so much…” [12:03]
• Schitt’s Creek “fold in the cheese” scene:
  • Moira Rose: “That’s what you do, you just fold it in.”
  • David: “Okay, I don’t know how to fold broken cheese like that, and I don’t know how to be any clearer.” [17:57-18:40]
• On home improvement feelings:
  • Andrew: “I cannot wait for my first sponge bath in the new sink…Will you have Genevieve videotape that?” [29:06]
  • Luke, wisdom on project scope creep: “You might as well put in that gold toilet…” [45:52]
  • Andrew: “I love the idea of coming down here, playing darts, coming around the corner…having this nice, warm glow with these fadeable lights…That to me stirs something.” [47:51]
• Luke on football intensity:
  • “Does it indicate that this is a positive in my life, that that’s how I have to enjoy it or experience it? …Maybe I just need to be less of a maniac.” [64:09]
• Andrew on digitizing old videos:
  • “…Some sort of deep joy that feels even bigger than that to me…” [85:32]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:29 – Catherine O’Hara tribute
• 13:31 – Schitt’s Creek’s Moira Rose and “fold in the cheese” scene
• 19:46 – Andrew’s basement remodel begins
• 27:04 – Appliance and fixture procurement discussion
• 43:17 – Intense lighting debate; project creep
• 50:08 – Home design trends: avoiding “2023” look
• 62:36 – Donor thanks and retro Seahawks gear
• 63:40 – Super Bowl plans: the White Barn streaming setup revealed
• 77:21 – Listener “Sarah” on joy amid darkness
• 82:01 – The “Dari” revelation & digging up Seattle home movie memories

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Tone and Closing

The episode is a quintessential TBTL ride—a mix of personal reflection, gentle absurdity, and generational nostalgia. While poignant over O’Hara’s passing, the show is always punctuated with humor, empathy, and delight in the minutiae of daily life. Andrew and Luke’s dynamic—equal parts old-married-couple bickering, home design critique, and football anxiety support group—remains “too beautiful to live.”

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End Note:
No matter what mountain seems too tall, the TBTL crew—and their listeners—remind us it’s more climbable when you’re not alone.

Transcript

[Moira Rose]

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[Andrew Walsh]

Tbt. Guess what day it is. Guess what day it is. It's Friday. Friday. Gonna get down on Friday. Everybody's looking forward to the weekend. What about music? Do you have any music? Uh, yeah. I should have said so.

[Moira Rose]

I warned you I was lonely but you didn't seem to care.

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, no.

[Moira Rose]

I checkered a bit too But I give it a heat of warm once tears.

[Andrew Walsh]

All I know is this violates every.

[Luke Burbank]

Canon of respectable broadcasting. Well, all right. Hello, good morning and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of TBT all, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

[Andrew Walsh]

This whole conversation bothers me.

[Luke Burbank]

My name is Luke Burbank.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm your host. He's got Riz like he just does.

[Luke Burbank]

Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia on a rainy Friday here in the Pacific Northwest. Didn't know you like to get wet, though. Well, we've made it, folks. We've made it to the end of the week and we've made it to episode 4653 in a collector series.

[Andrew Walsh]

Let the fun begin.

[Luke Burbank]

As you probably already know, or maybe got some indication from our intro package, but Catherine O' Hara has passed away at the age of 71. That's the saddest thing I've ever heard. Just an absolute, I would say, national treasure. But I believe that she may have been from Canada, A continental treasure. Catherine o'. Hara. Just so funny and in so many great things and such a kind of a part of this show by way of the audio drops that we've used over the years. So we'll talk about her life a little bit. Plus my plans for watching the super bowl, which involves some folks down in Salem, Oregon, having to do basically an it check on a barn to try to make my football watching dreams come true. More on that. And of course, a conversation with this Guy who is joining me right now from inside a active construction zone.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, want to hear the most annoying sound in the world?

[Luke Burbank]

He is the longest running cobra of the program, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ship. I just want you to be normal and clearly you're not. He is Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

[Andrew Walsh]

Good afternoon. Luke Burbank. Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay.

[Andrew Walsh]

By.

[Luke Burbank]

By. By 16 minutes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. We're getting off to a little bit of a later start today, which means I have no excuse if I am not performing at top levels today because I just roll out of bed. I am not still fuzzy minded from whatever disturbing dreams I had. If I can't perform today, Luke, I don't think there's any hope for me. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

The offensive line is healthy. You have your full complement of receivers. At this point, It's. There are no more excuses. This is make or break.

[Andrew Walsh]

I, I mean, I have an oblique. I do have. I have a little bit of oblique. I don't know what I have oblique.

[Luke Burbank]

That I'm an obtuse man. So I'll be oblique. Another, by the way, another onyx black man reference this week. The way that you described that. I don't know if you were doing that intentionally or not. And that has nothing to do with where we want to start the show. But it makes me endlessly annoyed that the. This sort of parlance of talking about football injuries has now become. He's dealing with an oblique. He's dealing with an ankle. He's dealing with a shoulder.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's.

[Luke Burbank]

And we've just totally decided we don't need to add in the. Like, he's dealing with a shoulder injury.

[Andrew Walsh]

What about not even dealing with. You're actually giving him.

[Luke Burbank]

He has.

[Andrew Walsh]

He has a shoulder, he has a knee. They'll say that sports radio be like, well, we're hoping that he'll play, but he has a knee. It's like, well, I hope he has two.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, two would be even better.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I don't care for a running.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't. I don't understand that. I was driving home from. By the way, we got a late start today because I was down in Portland doing a local TV hit on hello Rose City promoting Livewire. And I was driving back and I was following one of those, like a kind of a manufactured home. Like part of a manufactured home that's on the huge trailer. And they've got pilot cars. They got a car in front of it and a car behind it. And the signs on the on both the part of the manufactured home and then the cars behind it and probably in front of it, it said oversize load. And I. I spent the next 30 miles shadow boxing with that. Is that. Should it be oversized?

[Andrew Walsh]

Seems like it. Or a low.

[Luke Burbank]

But all if you. I guess if you. If you broke it down, you said the load is over the size. That is typical. So you need to be careful. It's an oversize load, but I feel like it should be oversized. It's. Its size is too much. It is oversized.

[Andrew Walsh]

I agree. As an adjective, I feel like it should be sized. I'm wondering, though, as the son of sign maker, how much does a D cost? I mean, maybe the thing is, they're just trying to get the point across without spending extra money on extra letters.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, I mean, that's a possibility. Maybe they wanted it to be as big as possible so that you could see it easily. But then making it that large meant that the D was gonna. You're gonna have to start a new. You're gonna have to hit return and start a new column for the D. Carriage return. Oversized carriage return.

[Andrew Walsh]

D. Well, the original. Dear sirs and madams, please use caution when navigating your vehicle around this truck. It is a rather oversized load. That was the original. I believe that was the original sign. And then they just started paring back.

[Luke Burbank]

They were blaring handles water music off of speakers as you read that, just to fully create the maximum experience of language and auditory. So, okay, yeah, let's see. We can't get caught up in grammar. We can't get caught. You can't get caught up in an oblique. We got to talk about the very. The sad news that Catherine O' Hara has passed away. She was 71 years old. It sure seems, Andrew, that the older that I get, the younger that people are when they pass away. And 71 is not old at all. That's just about barely 20 years ahead of me. And of course, certainly I don't know anything about the circumstances of her passing. I certainly didn't hear anything leading up to it about her being in ill health. You know, I know that sort of. With Diane Keaton, I guess what happened was that she. She had fallen into ill health, but she wanted to keep that private, which I think is totally reasonable. So it is. It is one of those things where when someone doesn't seem like they're particularly elderly and you don't know that they're sick, and then you just hear that they have passed away, it can feel pretty sudden and It's a real bummer because Catherine o' Hara was still making all kinds of. Of great stuff. And. And, you know, her career was. Was like. It was so long and it involved so many different phases. Like, you know, sctv, which was the kind of Canadian Saturday night Live. She was on that and she was. She was great. That could have been a career for someone. She was in Waiting for government. She played Sheila Albertson, a phenomenal character. She's married to Fred Willard. They are travel agents who have never been outside of Missouri, which Fred Willard's character comments on. People think it's ironical that we've never been out of Missouri. And I believe they cut to him on the phone with. Somewhere he goes. Montezuma's revenge is nothing but good old fashioned diarrhea. The emergency room shouldn't even enter the conversation. And like, they're really into being in the local theater scene. And Fred Willard is just so absolutely. He's just so mean to Sheila and he's just. He crushes her dreams constantly to the degree that the only time she can really actually express herself is when she gets very drunk at a Chinese restaurant and is talking to Eugene Levy and.

[Andrew Walsh]

His wife about a very personal operation, a procedure that one of them either.

[Luke Burbank]

Was considering a penis reduction surgery for her husband Ron, which I always wonder about that scene because. I wonder because it's improvised, presumably. You know, I'm sure they have sort of a structure for what they want to do, but I wonder if when she said. Well, because the way that it comes about is that they say they've. They've only been out of Blaine one time and it was for the procedure and he doesn't want to talk about the procedure.

[Andrew Walsh]

They get into it.

[Luke Burbank]

That's how they get into it. It's a discussion of like the other time that they've left Blaine, Missouri, and it was. They went up to wherever it was for. And it was like, for your procedure. And then Ron Albertson says, I had, you know, whatever guy would dream about. So, like, I don't know if that was just Fred Willard in the moment pivoting to. I didn't have an enlargement surgery. I had a reduction surgery. But then she rolls with it beautifully anyway.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's funnier that way, that's for sure.

[Luke Burbank]

Sure is. And then of course, Beetlejuice, which is a whole other kind of audience. Right. Like, you know, because there's the comedy nerds who are real down in the, like, Guffman lore and then SCTV and things like that. But then you've got Catherine o' Hara in this hugely financially successful movie that's super popular with probably a slightly different viewing crowd, but also.

[Andrew Walsh]

But also kind of a weird, dark, fair.

[Luke Burbank]

Tim Burton burn. Yeah, good point. Good point.

[Andrew Walsh]

And then. Sorry to cut you off, but. And then, of course, then Home Alone. Right, and then. Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, I forgot about. How do you forget about one of the biggest movies?

[Andrew Walsh]

I thought that's what you were building to.

[Luke Burbank]

That's why I'm glad you reminded me.

[Andrew Walsh]

Beetlejuice was big and, you know, a hit, but still kind of a dark. You know, very dark comedy and something that you'd still call like, a cult classic, even though it was successful. But then Home Alone is just straight up mainstream. Huge hit. I mean, huge impact on the culture and indelibly or indelible on the culture. You know, as far as I can tell, like, going forward, it is like a Christmas classic. And so I'm gonna say something. Something has been on my mind all day, and I hope people take it in the spirit in which it's intended, because it's kind of a. It's kind of a maybe a harsh thing to say when somebody just pass. But Genevieve has this expression sometimes when we're talking about, I don't know, a famous person. And sometimes we'll say, like, what will be the first line of their obituary when they die? You know, it's kind of, I guess, kind of a harsh way of saying what is the first thing somebody will be remembered for? And honestly, I remember having that conversation with Genevieve at one point, not all that long ago, saying, like, what is her most memorable thing to the mainstream culture? Because I think you're right.

[Luke Burbank]

Yelling Kevin in the airport.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. In our circles, we're gonna think the Guffman verse. Right. First, all of those kinds of things. But then, like. But for most Americans, if you just one word, like, who was Catherine o'? Hara? If you need to remind somebody, I think most people would be, oh, the Home Alone lady. Right. And that. And for you and I, that's not even. That's not what ranks so much, you know, and somebody said on Blue sky today, much more eloquently than the tribute I'm trying to offer here. Something along the lines of. I think there's. Do you know who Maura Quint is? I think she's a writer of some sort, and I follow her on Blue sky. And she said, Catherine o' Hara was so talented and special that the problem is I forgot she was mortal. And I think that is Kind of it. That's why you're right, like, 71 is just too young anyway. But also, you never really thought about it. But when you put it that way, you're like, yeah, how could this happen?

[Luke Burbank]

You know what I mean?

[Andrew Walsh]

She doesn't seem like somebody who could pass away because she just contained so many multitudes and was just so beloved too.

[Luke Burbank]

And then had what would probably be. I would say, you know, this is very generational. But if you go down to maybe a younger generation, Moira, her character from Schitt's Creek, that might be how a lot of people know her, because that is such an iconic character. And when Schitt's Creek kind of blew up in the US when they started, I think it was, they put it on Netflix and suddenly it was in everybody's home. And America fell in love with this really great show from Canada. And like, I mean, it's just incredible that you throw that on there too. Like, you know, at what we now learn was getting towards the end of her career. But, like, I mean, that character is so. I mean, I was just listening to that intro, her scatting.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know that's not even all, by the way.

[Luke Burbank]

What is the original. I had to edit. Someone put that on that log. It could have been me or something.

[Andrew Walsh]

Should have been you.

[Luke Burbank]

Should have been you. Like, like, that is like when she says live link, when she's trying to do the Burt Flinger, what she says Lifelink. Like that is. That is. That is comedy being being practiced at the highest possible level, in my opinion, by a person who's had so many different versions of her career and been so great in so many different things and was not slowing down as I can. In fact, I just heard. This is totally random, but I heard Bryan Cranston yesterday. I saw some clip of an interview with him talking about how he and Catherine o' Hara were working on a project with Seth Rogen. I don't even know if this is out yet, but that they were all in Las Vegas and they were going to go to the Sphere in Las Vegas with Seth Rogen and that Bryan Cranston's not somebody who's done any drugs in his life and nor was Catherine o', Hara, but they basically agreed to eat mushrooms with Seth Rogen to go to this. I don't know if it was one of those dead and co shows or what was happening in the Sphere. And then I guess the story was that Bryan Cranston ate the mushrooms and then Catherine o' Hara chickened. Out and didn't eat the mushrooms. And that also the mushrooms did nothing to him. They didn't have enough of them. But I mean, my point in that is that. I mean, whatever that project was that was the Sphere was in Las Vegas. We're talking about something that was being filmed fairly recently.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think I might have an answer to that. Unless they were working on other things. But I saw that. I think one of her last credits or one of her last roles was in the studio, and the studio.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, that would make sense.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. That's his show.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

She was. No, of course. I mean, I can't take that out. She plays a huge role in that show. She plays basically, like the person who used to be the head of the studio, I believe. I think she was the head of the studio who gets fired, which is why Seth Rogen is able to then ascend. But he has this relationship with her because he sort of owes her. She kind of gave him his career, and he respects her opinion. So she sort of comes back to the studio, but in a more sort of, like, as a consultant role. And they have a lot of really great scenes. I mean, I forgot. Yeah, she's amazing in that. This is what I'm saying.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

She's been so good in so many things that, like, I can't even remember all the things that she's been in of late.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And I think. Yes. Shit. I do think that depending on kind of, I don't know how you navigate the culture and your age range. Like, I do think that, like, Home Alone, Schitt's Creek, Beetlejuice, and the Guffman movies. I mean, anybody would take any one of those. And I don't even mean as far as work is concerned. I mean, as far as legacy is concerned, talent. And I was just. I mean, now we're in that phase where everybody on Blue sky and social media is sharing so much. Just amazing moments and little clips. I mean, there's a. I watched Best in Show maybe once or twice, but it's not a movie. I remember all that well, other than enjoying it. But somebody just posted the scene of her tripping. She trips over nothing, basically, but then starts blaming people who put something down that I would trip over. And then she gets up and she's saying, I'm fine. I'm fine. It's just my knee. It's just my knee. And then she just goes into the funniest walk. I have seen this side of Monty Python. She's wearing these high heels, and she's saying her knee is fine and she's walking around and she clearly can't walk. And it is. It is. It's amazing. I also have this. I want to play this clip for you. This is Schitt's Creek, which is, you know, she. She's showing her.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm watching the tripping scene.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, are you watching it?

[Luke Burbank]

I forgot how they do her hair for this movie, too. Ridiculous. Looks like Phil Spector taking a mug shot.

[Andrew Walsh]

I might end up using this as.

[Luke Burbank]

She doing a stanky leg.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, she is. Her leg is stink. She has a stank.

[Luke Burbank]

Hold on.

[Andrew Walsh]

She has a stank leg. So I might use this as intro tape on Monday as well. But I don't think you can have too much Catherine o' Hara these days. So here was a little clip that I had not seen before from Schitt's Creek where she's showing her son, her adult son David, a family recipe. But they're both clearly useless in the kitchen, and they get to this instruction that confounds them. Is this not your mother's recipe?

[Moira Rose]

Yes. And now I'm passing it on to you, so try to keep up.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh.

[Moira Rose]

Next step is to fold in the cheese.

[Andrew Walsh]

What does that mean? What does fold in the cheese mean? He folds it in. I understand that, but how. How do you fold it? Do you fold it in half like a piece of paper and drop it in the pot? Or what do you do?

[Moira Rose]

David, I cannot show you everything.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, well, can you show me one thing?

[Moira Rose]

You just. That's what you do. You just fold it in.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, I don't know how to fold broken cheese like that, and I don't know how to be any clearer.

[Moira Rose]

You take that thing that's in your hand and you.

[Andrew Walsh]

If you say fold in one more.

[Moira Rose]

Time, it says fold it in.

[Andrew Walsh]

This is your recipe. You fold in the cheese then.

[Moira Rose]

Don't you dare. You fold it in.

[Andrew Walsh]

David, David, David.

[Luke Burbank]

I mean, I feel like we've had a conversation at some point. Maybe in an interview. She talked about the accent. She talked about whatever her decisions were around Moira's.

[Andrew Walsh]

What is it? Is it just, like, rich?

[Luke Burbank]

Insane? I mean, it's insane. It's kind of like a person who watched a Katharine Hepburn movie 20 years ago and is trying to. It's like a person who's in a movie about a person who is pretending to be rich but doesn't really know how to talk like a rich person. It's so perfectly weird. And, I mean, it really comes out in that. That. That intro tape that we were playing where she's doing the, the ads and stuff. But it's just like, just the accent alone is legendary.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. Amazing career in person.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. So rest in peace, Catherine o'. Hara. We, we are fans. And, and, and you were, you were, you were incredible. You were amazing. All right, well, with that, with that being addressed and discussed, I have a follow up Friday question for you, sir, which is do you.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay, do you want to just slow it down a second? I don't want you to rush.

[Luke Burbank]

I want to think now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Whenever you're ready to answer the question. I'm ready to answer it now. But I just wanted to make sure that you're.

[Luke Burbank]

Do you have big weekend construction plans?

[Andrew Walsh]

Big weekend. The biggest one I've ever had. Big weekend.

[Luke Burbank]

Although you actually said before the show they're not this particular crew that's doing construction house. They're not working through the weekend. They're, they're, they're taking Friday. You know, Friday's the, the quitting time.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, I believe so. So today. So the construction started on this little basement kitchenette area that we have, which is a very, we feel very lucky to have like kind of a, this little area in the, in the basement that has a kitchen sink and a little hot plate that kind of works. But it's, it was just, it's just the grossest materials installed.

[Luke Burbank]

Just as you can imagine, at one time your basement was being used as sort of another living area, sort of an adu. So there was a, a bit of a kind of a kitchen kind of situation down there so that somebody could live there. Right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. I think, honestly, I love this house and it worked out well for us to live here as one family unit and use the upstairs and downstairs. But I think it's literally criminal that they rented out the bottom of that. Of course, what they did was to turn this into a quasi living space for somebody and to put in this tiny little kitchenette. But I took a video of it or I took some photos of it before they tore everything out just to remember how awful it was. Like, the counter was like this, you know, that fake marble stuff. It's like the ugliest fake marble you could probably imagine. But then it was just like glued in. There's a, just dirty brown. It was supposed to be like kind of clear epoxy or something, but it was just like globs of it turning brown all over the place. You know, already on this kind of gross surface. I mean, everything about it was just really rough. And it had always been my. And, you know, some of the particle board of the. Of the very cheap cupboards beneath were swelling up and exposed. It was just like. It was as rough as. As somebody who. I was about to say, as rough as you can imagine. But, I mean, that's not true. But we're lucky that we are able to improve it and be picky about these things. But I. Genevieve and I had been talking about, you know, putting some flooring down down here and doing some improvements. And then I think something just hit me. I'm like, well, what if we just sort of dream big, like, before we put a floor down? Like, this kitchenette at some point has to be redone. Like, it was really. It was hurting my soul, like, to look at. It was hurting almost. Almost worse than not having a functioning sink. It was just like. It seemed so, like, kind of just. I don't know, to look. Remember we were talking about getting in our cars in the middle of winter when you haven't cleaned it in a long time, and you just look at all the. The upholstery stains and the floors, and it just kind of gives you that bad feeling. I was just getting a bad feeling about that part of the house. And so we are now kind of doing something we have never done before, which is like pulling. You know, we hired somebody to pull it all out. And then also the folks we hired are helping us sort of conceive of what to do there. And I didn't know. I don't know if. I still don't know if this is a normal way of doing it or not. But I told you before the show, we're sort of building the airplane in the sky a little bit because they wanted to kind of tear everything out to sort of see what we can work with as they continue to help us, like, kind of decide what kind of cabinetry to build or shelving, if it's open shelving or. And lighting decisions. But this is also leading to the fact that we have some pretty major electrical issues. So we're getting a whole new breaker box put in, which will be part of this, which is, you know, something that also has been bothering me for a long time, knowing that whenever anybody looks at the. The electrical, you know, the work in this house, they're always like, oh, this shouldn't be scotch taped together, and this shouldn't. Charring black here on these wires. So having somebody.

[Luke Burbank]

I've never had somebody who's working on a project at a place that I've lived. Who's opened a wall and ever said anything good about any of the prior workmanship. It's the number one.

[Andrew Walsh]

True.

[Luke Burbank]

But I'm not saying it's. I'm not saying it's not true. Oh, absolutely.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. My point in that is not that you're getting flim flammed. It's just that it is the. It's the ritual. And by the way, it's probably because I've also mostly had really old homes that somebody did some really crazy stuff. But it's just always like that moment where the, the person is looking, they're going, I don't know. I don't know what they were thinking when they did this.

[Andrew Walsh]

I know that if you're installing something, I know that you're going to at some point need shims or something to steady something or level something out. And then you build around it and it disappears into it. But I was gone most of the day yesterday. And so when I left, they were just starting to disconnect the sink. But then at some point midday, Genevieve sent me a little video of their progress and everything had been pulled off and gone.

[Luke Burbank]

I'm surprised you guys didn't do the demo yourselves to keep the cost down.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, I think. Well, we had talked about that or maybe helping with that, but I think they're gonna carry. Carry it away too. I don't know. But anyway, so. But Genevieve sent me this video and it was just amazing how many shims. And they were just like for the cabinet, a whole bunch of them. Like then like, I'll show them to you later. Like taped together with blue masking tape. I mean, the floor was just littered with. All of it was all put together and I guess so it was like.

[Luke Burbank]

These cabinets were wildly not level. Oh, just a little shimming like you said. Particularly if you're installing a door, you have to shim out a door. These are normal things. But then there's like we have a two by fours width of shim that we've just jammed under there.

[Andrew Walsh]

Because it's taped together.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. So massively out of level.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. I think one of the shims also had like somebody's sole of their boot taped up into it to make it.

[Luke Burbank]

A little bit wider, by the way. The shims.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Oh, I do like the shims. Yeah. So anyway, so I'm pretty excited. But the thing that we're kind of doing is so they're tearing, carrying everything out, but we don't have decisions yet about everything that will replace it. Like Genevieve just Ran out today to buy a new sink. So we're gonna have a nice new sink in there, and Genevieve actually got one.

[Luke Burbank]

You go an undermount.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know what that means.

[Luke Burbank]

You know how a lot of the sinks now, if you have. What do you. Do you know what you're gonna go with for the countertop? Oh, you're doing butcher block.

[Andrew Walsh]

We're doing butcher block.

[Luke Burbank]

I've also been texting with Genevieve about this, but. So an undermount sink is where the sink is mounted underneath the countertop.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's sweet. But no, it's not that fancy. No.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay. I mean, it's actually, you know, if you're buying a new sink, it's not. I mean, you said fancy. It's just that they just screw it to the bottom of the countertop instead of screwing it to or gluing it to the top. It's not necessarily a more expensive thing. It's just. And if you're starting over, you could always do that. But is she going to the Lowe's to get a sink?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, no, we have it now. So this is what's kind of cool, is, like, we're sort of all just sort of in this together. So our. So the. Our designer, the guy who's working with us, and I'm a designer and worker, and he's doing everything. Adrian is his name. He just, like, texted us this thing. He's like, this is at Costco right now. And this is a steel. It was a steel at its original, like, this whole sink, plus, like, you know, the. What do you call those faucets that are kind of like almost an industrial sink faucet with the spring around it or whatever. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I don't know what that's called, but that is what I have, too. That is, like, kind of the way to go these days.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. Which is interesting because we were just fielding some questions on the spotless podcast about how to keep that springy thing clean once it starts to. So I have some thoughts on that. But anyway, yeah, so we got the sink with that faucet and, like, basically at a really, really good price. And it's really important for me to have that functionality down in the basement sink for, like, because I'm cleaning, like, these big thermoses sometimes, and I need that. Be able to do that. So I'm very excited about that. But we're sort of just sort of, like, making these decisions kind of as we go along.

[Luke Burbank]

Now. This is going to be. So you're eventually going to replace the Cabinets, you're going to do uppers and lowers.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And for the uppers, we're not sure if they're going to be like, cabinets, cupboards, or open shelving.

[Luke Burbank]

And are you. Do you know where you're going to get the cabinets from?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, because it kind of depends on what we end up deciding it should look like or what style we want.

[Luke Burbank]

I would say don't sleep on IKEA. IKEA's got actually good stuff that's. That can be reasonably priced. And I think it's a step up stylistically from, like, what you'd get at Home Depot or Lowe's. I mean, they've got the stuff too, but, like, you don't have to overspend on the cabinets. You can, you know, the. Like I said, that's what I did. My. Both the ADU kitchen and the kitchen in my little house is ikea. I was pretty happy with the stuff that I got from them, just as a thought. But here's my main question to you because, you know, this is my whole I'm Mr. Coat Hook Fantasy moment. Whereas, like, on one of these projects or stuff I've been doing at my house, I'm always like, and then the moment's gonna come when it's all done and I'm gonna have this experience. Do you have a moment like that in your mind, like that you're dreaming of, that you're excited about, whether it's getting ready for pop up or whether it's fixing yourself a little snack at night between dart throws? Like, what do you. What's your dream use for this space when it's all done and nice?

[Andrew Walsh]

So. And I don't know if I'll be able to do this. You don't want to build up to it too much because then if it doesn't feel as satisfying in the moment, it'll be a disappointment.

[Luke Burbank]

But I just find a. To obsess over Andrew. I've been doing it for years, but.

[Andrew Walsh]

I cannot wait for my first sponge bath in the new sink, because I can.

[Luke Burbank]

I can get. Will you have Genevieve videotape that?

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

So adorable. You in the sink.

[Andrew Walsh]

I say. I say Goo Goo Gaga a lot while I'm. While I'm doing it. No, I guess to the degree is just like, I'm just picturing the moment that it's all clean and nice and as I. As I pass through it, it's like, it's funny. It's not like I'm picturing, like, oh, when we boil water on the new Hot plate or what it is. It's just like. It's this area that I'm constantly passing through, and it's where our refrigerator is as well. I'm. It's like, my. My things are a little bit more practical. Like, I just can't wait to have a little bit of, like, stability around some of this electrical work. Like, it's all felt very insecure to me for a long time.

[Luke Burbank]

Is it knob and tube?

[Andrew Walsh]

I think the upstairs, we're not even getting into. We're not rewiring.

[Luke Burbank]

Don't even look at that.

[Andrew Walsh]

But just.

[Luke Burbank]

Don't even even. Don't even open that.

[Andrew Walsh]

But. But definitely what they did to this basement was they just, you know, brought in workers, daisy chains who were just, like. Just constantly. Yeah, exactly. And like, we literally. We had a electrician. Not electrician. Electrician out here years ago who said, okay, well, I fixed this one thing, but I would not plug your microwave into this thing here. Like, to have.

[Luke Burbank]

I wouldn't turn on anything in the house ever again.

[Andrew Walsh]

To have plugs in your house that you're like, oh, you probably shouldn't use that. Like, it's just. It'll just be really nice to say, okay, no, we're having responsible people install. He's putting in a couple of extra circuits. Like, he's gonna install it properly so that when we. When we see a plug, we can use a plug. You know, just like, stuff like that is gonna feel so good to me. And then as far as, like, just the design, like, I told you that it just was giving me a really. There's just one part of the cupboard. I know I'm obsessed with it, but it was kind of like whatever veneer was on this cheap cupboard below the sink had peeled away, and maybe Bingo would scratch at it sometimes. Although it looks like that. Although I don't. I don't see him do it that much. But it was just like the white. The cheap white veneer had peeled away, so all of the particle board. Particle board was just swelling.

[Luke Burbank]

Sawdust that's been substituted.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. And just, like, falling apart and like. Like peeling away. And so, like, I just picture, like, when we have. This is the first time that we've ever just been able to say, like, well, we're investing in this. This is our forever project. We do it. We do it to work. What makes us feel good. We make that decision, and then we're not just, like, we're not formatting our lives around other people's decisions about lighting or whatever it may Be knowing that it's like, our decision and we're going to set it up the way we want. And then when I pass by it to grab a Fresca out of the fridge or whatever, just be, like, looking around. Like, the area where our refrigerator is down here is just like. It's not even particle board. I don't know how to describe what they. They made this little cutout in the wall that sort of separates it from where our hot water heater and stuff is on the other side. But it's just like this. This. It's very thin. It's better than cardboard, but not wood. Just very thin white. Some sort of material that is just, like. Was screwed in place with huge gaps and everything. So you can, like, look through it to see the litter box or. It's just like, it was never. It was never like, what would you call, like, built out essentially, with an actual drywall and whatever. And so, like, we're just gonna get that taken care of, and it's just gonna seem more like a. A real space. Like a real space that. That has some intentionality to it. So I'm just looking forward to just, like, feeling like, oh, there's a finality here. There's something that actually makes me feel good when I look the opposite of what I was feeling when it was giving me the bad feeling.

[Luke Burbank]

Somebody's got some good staring in their future.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly.

[Luke Burbank]

And I'm very excited. I still do that around here, you know. And in fact, the Madrona Hill studio is not even done yet. Like, I need to. This spring, Walt and I need to actually install. Speaking of undermount sinks, there's this kind of kitchen island thing behind me that you and John, where we were all utilizing when we were doing the thawn from here. And that is still exactly like it was when you guys were here. It's like, still that needs to have a hole cut in it. First of all, it needs to be sanded and then, like, stained so that it's waterproof. Then it needs a hole cut in it so that the sink can be undermounted. But all that is to say, even with things not fully done here, I still, to this day am like, we'll just go sit in the corner of my little living room and stare at some other part of the house and just remember how it used to be. And it's very satisfying. It's a very satisfying feeling. And I'm glad to hear for you and Veebs because you guys both work really hard and. And. And you guys totally I've more than earned the experience of like making your house that you love, kind of the way you want it to be. Not making like, well, let's just try to figure out something that's the least expensive option to make this tolerable for a little bit longer, but rather to just say, yeah, we live here, we look at this every day. We've, we've saved the money. Let's, let's, let's actually do this in a way that makes us really happy.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm sending you pictures right now via text. And just like the things that I've been describing to you, like close ups of where it's just like this nasty brown glue that was supposed to be clear at some point that's keeping the old sink in place or what have you.

[Luke Burbank]

How long are they. And this is the other thing too, you know, I mean, this project seems like it's pretty fairly contained, but like, what's the kind of, what's the, what's the timeline you're being given? And my experience almost always goes longer than the thing supposed to take.

[Andrew Walsh]

Honestly, I don't know. And I think that that's because. And again, I don't know that we approach this the way most other people would, but I'm glad that we found somebody who's willing to work with us in this way. It's a little bit like jazz, Luke. And when they say when you're doing a home Renault, you should just improvise a lot. And it should be a lot like, well, like Moira scatting. It should have been you who put that sink underneath. It could have been you. So it's a little bit unclear what, what again, like what kind? Oh, well, another huge part of this is we have these two, like kind of deep, I guess you would call them cupboards, but they're basically just big holes in the wall now because we've torn the, they've torn the cupboard doors off and everything. But it's this like very weird deep storage space that is in this area as well, kind of on the other wall on the outer wall of the house. And it's just like we throw tons of stuff in there and they're big spaces. Like I could physically crawl up in there. If I took everything out, I couldn stand in there. But it's like smaller than a closet, bigger than a cupboard, which is a game I used to like to play at camp. And so anyway, Adrian's also looking at, just like he's still sort of looking at various options of things that we can either buy or that they can sort of build in their shop that will be sort of like an appliance cabinet. Or when you open one door, a bunch of other stuff will sort of swing open. So we can, so like some shelving can kind of swing out and we can kind of take advantage of all of the space and stuff.

[Luke Burbank]

Are these things you're describing? Because I'm looking at the photos now. Are they to the left of the sink or what was the sink?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, these.

[Luke Burbank]

And then blocked by the, blocked by the cabinets. One of the doors being blocked by the cabinets above the sink. That's when you know. Yes, that's when you're dealing with really forward thinking, thought out craftsmanship. When people just like, oh, we need some cabinets above the sink, so we'll put them in. Even though they technically block a different cabinet type door to open. Like that's like that is really. That's, that's, that, that's, that's. I'm glad you're getting rid of that.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, exactly. And I, I'm looking for photos on my phone that if I, if I, if I kind of took any details of that particular situation. But you're describing it perfectly. Like everything was just thrown in there so that you couldn't open the cupboards because it would slam into other cupboards. They just didn't care. I cannot stress enough how little they, whoever put this stuff in just did not care. I doubt that the person who owned the property was even, even here. I'll bet you they were just hiring people and just saying I want this, I want that. And maybe had somebody and here's how.

[Luke Burbank]

Much I'm willing to pay for it.

[Andrew Walsh]

And that was probably.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. Well, I'm really stoked for. You know, obviously this is a subject near and dear to my heart and I'm very excited for Veeves and Roden and I have already. We've been on a, on a, on a, on a side channel on a signal chat.

[Andrew Walsh]

You need to name that chat because of that text chat. Like, because I'm not. It's just you, Roden and Viv's doing home sharing home stuff, right?

[Luke Burbank]

Yes, exactly. But that satisfaction like we've sent along that picture of basically like the space all like now demoed so that it's all kind of scour. Like everything's gone now you're just looking at the kind of like the bare walls and now you're gonna start over again with that. Like that is, that's like so just having the stuff out of there must be, like, a great feeling.

[Andrew Walsh]

It is. I thought it was gonna be a bad feeling, to be honest with you, because I'm not somebody who likes in between times. Like, I really wanted to. Like, I'm like, well, why would you tear everything out before we know what we're gonna be putting in there? And they were like, well, it does help to sort of get a better sense of the space. And if that. And I was like, okay, that's fine if there's an answer to it. But I was like, I don't want to just make this part of the house unfunctional, because even though I' the bad feeling, like, we had a working sink down there that I used a lot, you know, and, you know, a lot. Several times a day. And so I was like, well, I don't want to get rid of the functionality until we're ready to put something there, you know? But I guess it made sense to do it this way. And it does seem to make sense now that I'm sort of living through it. But I've never done anything like this before, so I can't remember exactly what you said that led me to that. Oh, well, one thing I also just sort of like is. Oh, what were you going say?

[Luke Burbank]

To say, oh, no, I was just reminding. What I was saying was that having all of the old kind of funky cabinets and everything out of there is a good feeling. And you were saying you weren't sure how you were going to feel about it when you saw it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, but then when Viv sent me that video, I was like, oh, this is nice to see it. And these guys are just like. They're so meticulous. Like, this is a very small thing, but, like, part of my, you know, just kind of apprehension about anything. Like, this is like, well, you know how much I love my living space, right, Luke? Like, even if it's like, that's one of my problems, generally speaking, is, is I like nice living spaces, but I'm also just deeply lazy about doing it. We were talking with Cassie earlier this week, and you two were sort of like, you wake up in the middle of the night and you're thinking about drapery or whatever. The next thing is like, I'm not like that. Like, I want to be in a nice space, but I don't like shopping. I'm pretty lazy about these things. And at the end of the day, I don't want my little dart routine to be messed up. I want to listen to my podcast and play darts. You Know, like I don't. I don't usually do well with sort of change or certainly kind of transition if there's a difference between those two. And also just the chaos of it, messiness or whatever. But then.

[Luke Burbank]

And people in your house.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, but when I came in yesterday and I sort of saw this from the photos Genevieve sent me too. But when I got back last night, maybe around 6 o' clock or something like that, to come downstairs and see it's all torn out, but also like really clean. Like this is my kind. And it speaks. They were clean much. And Luke, this is thing. There was just a few. There was like a shop vac. They're using our shop vac. And there were like, maybe there was I think a hammer, a crowbar and some other like kind of a long tool like that in a little tool and then some little toolbox that has like an all purpose tool in it. What do you call those things? What is that all purpose tool that everybody talks about?

[Luke Burbank]

It does a Leatherman.

[Andrew Walsh]

Not like this all purpose tool.

[Luke Burbank]

What are the. Some of the purposes? Is it prying things? Is it hammering things?

[Andrew Walsh]

It's a. It's. I don't even know. I know that Genevieve wanted one for a while. It's a power tool of some sort, but it's in a little briefcasey thing. Okay. Is it just called a multi tool? Is there a chance that there's something of that generic name? It doesn't really matter. My point of this is like there were like four. There were like one little case and four tools on the ground. And they were all lined up neatly. Like we talk about knolling sometimes, but they were. They were all laid parallel next to each other the way I would lay. Leave it. You know what I mean? And I was just like, that's a great feeling. I was just like, oh, that is like. I wouldn't have thought of that as a signifier, but it was like, oh, wow, this. These are our people.

[Luke Burbank]

Totally. Because sometimes when you have folks working on your house, that's not their system. They're just like, it's just gonna get dirty again. We're just like, it's a construction zone. And then there are the folks that like the last 20 minutes of every day is like, now we're doing. Now we're cleaning, now we're sweeping, now we're putting stuff away. Now we're leaving this so that it's, you know, gonna be a good place to start tomorrow. And that's like definitely the preferred. I have had over the course of the years with doing a lot of work here and mostly it being me and my dad, but also hiring some of it out. A variety of experiences with that. And it's definitely like a lot better when the folks like to clean their job site. The job site before they're done for the day.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, it's such a. Yeah. It says I like it in both practice and what it signifies and I guess thing I was trying and sorry again, I know nothing about tools. But yeah, I am talking about something called a multi tool. And I know Genevieve wanted one of these. I think she even got one. It's like if you look up cordless multi tool, it's some sort of.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, like an oscillating. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know.

[Luke Burbank]

Multi tool. Well, what it does is it has this blade on it. And what you can do is you can put. It's basically a way of cutting around things and like getting behind things. So for instance, if the cabinets weren't like coming off of the wall because there's some. Let's say there was a screw. Screw that was holding the cabinets on the wall, but that screw itself, like it's stripped out. The head of it is stripped out. And you can't actually use a screwdriver to unscrew it. You could use the multi tool to just go behind the cabinet potentially and literally cut through the screw. It's just got this kind of vibrating, oscillating little blazing that's just very handy to cut into various things and cut into weird areas with.

[Andrew Walsh]

Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

Not to be confused with a Sawzall, which also will work for that too, by the way, like a Milwaukee Sawzall, which is basically just like a thing that has a long blade on it. And you can use that for cutting around things and cutting things up.

[Andrew Walsh]

But anyway, what was in that case didn't really matter. The my point was just sort of the good feeling that I got like walking into this little job site when I got home last night. I was like, oh man, this is. This is really good.

[Luke Burbank]

So you obviously through next week and maybe the week after you said you don't know the timeline. I mean you must have some sense. This isn't a month long job. This is probably a week long job, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

No, I think it'll be long longer than that. Especially depending because they're doing other jobs too.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, are you doing can lighting? Like what's the lighting?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, so I think we're maybe we're just having a conversation about that. Like there was already. There's just, like, all this random can lighting up in the ceiling on different switches. That makes no sense. And so we just got this. There's one up there now. And so Vivus and I actually just got into a disagreement in front of them. That's the one problem about trying to, like, figure this out on the fly is also, you're then having some pretty tense conversations. But I'm like, why do you think.

[Luke Burbank]

That I did this whole home project as a divorcee? Because the previous home project I did was not as a married person. And, boy, there are some stressful times, intense times.

[Andrew Walsh]

So there's this one light that they. This terrible ceiling fixture with just terrible lighting that they sort. Sort of. It stuck down. Instead of being flush with the ceiling, it stuck down from the ceiling by about an inch and a half or something like that, which blocked a cupboard.

[Luke Burbank]

Are you kidding me?

[Andrew Walsh]

You would open a cupboard to go dunk. Dunk. You could only open the cupboard about 3/4 or something like that. And anyway, so. So he's going to totally remove that and then. Yeah, put another can up there. But then. And then he was saying, and probably put another one over here. Right? I'm like, yes, for symmetry. Like, basically just two of them above us. And then Veeves and I are thinking, also, potentially, depending on what our cabinetry is, some lighting underneath the cupboards, kind of above the sink and everything. And. And Genevieve was like, no, no, just one light is fine. The one that's already there. Just put basically a can light up there. And I'm like, well, we want two. One on the other side. And she just couldn't understand why we would want that. And I think that the workers were like, yeah, they weren't weighing, because otherwise.

[Luke Burbank]

You'Re gonna have part of this kitchen area that doesn't have any overhead light.

[Andrew Walsh]

Well, it's a very small area. So I think Genevieve's point was like, well, how much light do you need in here? It's gonna be super bright. And I was saying, well, I would like it to be on a dimmer, too. Like two lights on a dimmer. And she's like, well, why are we. Why are we doing that if. If one light will do? And I. And at one point, Adrian just said, I think it's symmetry. And I was like, yeah, it's just, like, because we're doing it. And so that's where maybe some of the tension is like, I don't want to just say yes to everything as if money has no meaning, but we're only going to do this once in our life. And I don't want to look at, like, why didn't I just do it?

[Luke Burbank]

It's definitely the time. This is. This is how these projects. By the way, I can see both of your perspectives on this because, like, this is also how, like, projects like this or you know what I mean, home improvement stuff when you're hiring people, how it can kind of get like, out of hand. Because there is this mentality of going like, well, the wall's already going to be open, the ceiling's already going to be open. Let's. We might as well do it now.

[Andrew Walsh]

But you might as well put in that gold toilet.

[Luke Burbank]

Exactly Like, I mean, we'd look, you know, we've already got the plumbing, we're already digging. Let's just do the gold toilet. Like, you can get into a mindset where it's like. And that's as you would imagine more. My tendency is like, well, we might as well, you know, completely redo the whatever because we've got the wall open. And when are we going to have the wall open again? And you got to be careful that that doesn't just cause the scope of the project to go wildly crazy. But on the other hand, there is something to that. When are you going to have. Have somebody there who's going to cut into the ceiling and put a can light in? And you know, like, you might as well. That can light is going to cost you an extra. I would probably. For the labor and the parts and whatever. It's going to cost you three to four hundred dollars.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

And. And you would. Will forget about that 3 to $400. But for years to come, when you turn the light on, it will just be a little bit better.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I'm kind of.

[Luke Burbank]

My theory.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I love the idea that we were talking about it and I was the one who threw it out there because me and Adrian were just talking about lighting. And I was like, you know what? I can't remember what he said. And I was like, you know what? I am weird about lighting. Because he was like. Because what we have in there right now is just really, really garish. And it's like three different switches for three different things that are. Anyway, it just doesn't. Whoever installed this stuff, they did without any rhyme or reason. Yeah, but you know how much I talk about lighting. And so, like you do. It's a big deal to you. So as I'm having this conversation, I'm like, yeah, Lighting is important to me. And so you were asking me before about, like, what. What is maybe like a coat hook moment for me or something. Like once I sort of realized, like, oh, yeah, Adrian, let's put a dimmer switch there and like, I can come in here and we can. Like, my favorite time of a kitchen is like. Like after dinner, like 9 or 10 o' clock at night. Now, this is our kitchen. Now, we're not actually doing real cooking down here anyway. But then you just turn on like the.

[Luke Burbank]

The little overhead light on the stove.

[Andrew Walsh]

Exactly. On the hood lamp or whatever. And it just has that little glow. The kitchen is all clean. You can still.

[Luke Burbank]

We've talked about this a little bit, but like, that's occasional ice depositing into the ice maker.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, that's right. I wish I had. Yeah, I wish I had that.

[Luke Burbank]

But yeah, the rumble of the ice maker.

[Andrew Walsh]

I love the idea of like, coming down here, going around the corner, playing darts, coming around the corner to grab a beer or a soda or something. And like having this nice warm glow with these fadeable lights like that to me, stirs something.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, it stirs. I'll be there for the ribbon cutting. Be there. Day one, man, I'm excited. I've run out of projects. And Alexander wept and Berbexander wept because there were no more rooms to remodel. Now I got a new project. It's yours.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know what's interesting, and this is something that came up is like. Cause Veeves and I, we want it to be modern and simple, you know, you kind of know our tastes. And the basement has a little bit of an industrial feel to it anyway. And usually I lean into kind of the industrial ness of design sort of like. I don't know if it's industrial, but I put those little lockers in my basement bathroom that I kind of like. It's a little. But we were looking at photos of like, kind of open shelving sort of. But one of the things that we were looking at was also that kind of open shelving that's made of actual, like, physical pipes. You can actually see the pipe fittings sort of, you know, which is like.

[Luke Burbank]

Wood kind of shelves that rest on that kind of like.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, that.

[Luke Burbank]

That piping. I know that look.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I think I'm changing a little because there is a time that I think I would have really wanted that. Like, I really like simple, but like, quasi industrial. I could see that really working for me. But like, I don't know. I don't know if it's because it feels. Does. As somebody who pays way more attention to this stuff. Who pays any attention to this stuff compared to me? Everybody's an expert. But, like, that sort of feels like of a different. Different. It seems like that. That was very popular a while back, and now it seems a little bit past. And it feels like I don't want that. I don't want that sort of like rough hewn piping where you can, you know, you might have an elbow joint there or whatever. It feels a little. It feels a little Qdoba or not. Not Qdoba.

[Luke Burbank]

Or even like you. If you went to a brewery.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, yeah, a little bit like a brewery. Or like, why can't I think of what is the Chipotle, not Qdoba? What is with my brain that I'm going to Qdoba before Chipotle? But you know how Chipotle has neighborhood.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, but, you know, from a cuisine standpoint.

[Andrew Walsh]

But Chipotle has that really industrial. They usually have that galvanized metal in there, you know, and all of that stuff. And it just felt a little bit like that to me.

[Luke Burbank]

I wanted that. I think you're so right. And again, I don't want to, like, I don't want to start weighing in on design decisions, because you guys obviously can do that for yourself. But one thing that I, when I was doing stuff around my place, and I guess I'll find out in 10 years if I was successful or not, was I was trying to be really aware of, like, what is very in style right now and what is going to be very obviously something from 10, 15, 20 years ago. In 10, 15, 20 years, there's a lot of really popular, really elaborate tiling schemes that people do now. And I. And I, you know, they look great, great right now, but they're very like, something. I just was trying to make it so that if you. Ideally, if you walked into my place in 10 years, you wouldn't have that moment that we've all had. We're like, oh, so this was remodeled in 2023. Like, oh, I remember when that was the most, you know, popular way to do that. And now we're not doing that anymore. And it's very much of a time I was trying to kind of like, just keep it nice and general, as it were. Just like something that's going to hopefully, you know, jeans and a white T shirt.

[Andrew Walsh]

Right, right.

[Luke Burbank]

Of finishes, like, so, you know, you know, with a few different things that I feel like I can swap out later. Like, the cabinets that I Put in. I could paint them. They're like a kind of a faux wood that I like right now, But I think they will look out of style in a while. But I also can just paint them a solid color. So all that is to say, I think you're smart to avoid anything that's like, really, really in style in the moment, because it just means it's gonna. And then, of course, if you can wait 30 years, it will go back in style. But it's like, you know, do you want to have to be constantly waiting for the pendulum to swing back?

[Andrew Walsh]

But. And also, I just don't know if it's my style anymore or what I'm picturing for this. And it's just. I don't know. This is probably just boring as I sort of think about this out loud. But, like, kind of growing up, not just growing up, like in the Rust Belt, but also being of the Rust Belt, you know what I mean? My dad in Cleveland, Ohio, metal fabrication, fabrication shop. And so I always had an appreciation for, like, what he could. Would sort of do or have the guys in the shop do, as he would say. Like, I had the guys in the shop bend this up and I have this shelf now or whatever, and you can do some pretty cool things. That was a sort of like, industrial designy look that I like. But there's something about. And this is where I'm going to get a little bit rude towards artists, which is really a lane that I want to be in. But there's something about a lot of public art in Seattle that is that metal industry. It seems to be born of that sort of metal industrial look. Like. And I've said this before, like, a lot of. Of the. Obviously not talking about our dear friend Megan Kelso, like, her public art or, you know, like, I love that. I don't know if you've seen it or how well it's holding up now, but when they opened up, I think it was the Capitol Hill Light Rail. They had Ellen Forney, who also was a TV tale guest at one point. I remember. I love her style. And they did a whole wall of her bright. She did this huge mural in that. So I love some of that public art. But a lot of public art around Seattle is this metal kind of industrial look where you can sort of see the welds. Or you emphasize like those. Like, sort of.

[Luke Burbank]

It's something that will likely develop a patina as it sort of rusts.

[Andrew Walsh]

Maybe, maybe.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, no, you're thinking more. Okay, I know what you're I know what you're describing. Not exactly what I was saying.

[Andrew Walsh]

Like, picture when you're at the Ballard Locks and they have those sort of. They look. They're supposed to make you think of waves sort of, but they're like. You can see the rivets of the metal. And honestly, lastly, look at Lumen Field when you see that main. You know, the main view of Lumen Field when you're coming down from the south, and it has, like three or four different colors of metal. And it looks very 90s. It looks very 90s industrial sort of grunge. Like a little bit of this and a little bit of that, and then we're going to weld it together. And it's just kind of like. I don't know if seeing too much of that style of stuff around Seattle has turned me off of bringing it into my own home. Home.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, I'm glad. I mean, I'm glad you're thinking about this in advance as opposed to just kind of like, I don't know, going with that flow or not thinking about it in advance and then having it in your house and kind of wondering years from now if, like, that was the right call. I think. I think it's. You're going at it in a smart way. I'm just very excited for that moment for you when you walk into that little kitchenette area and you grab your beer and the light is just right, and you're really showing dartbot who's boss and Bingo is cuddled up somewhere, and like, everything. Everything is right for at least a few minutes. That's a good feeling.

[Andrew Walsh]

They've come to calling Bingo the foreman or the supervisor, I believe, because Bingo is just. And I keep saying, like, do you want me to put Bingo upstairs? Like, we have so many ways of. He can have the whole upstairs half of the house, right? But they're like, no, absolutely. I asked one of the workers, and he's like, no. Adrian would be mad. That's his supervisor. Like, Bingo is part of this project. Thank you, baby.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, let's thank some donors. These folks are making TBTL possible with their donation, and we are sure grateful. I'll tell you what, Andrew, let me also, while we're on the subject, if this is okay, let me remind folks that if you are someone who is what we call a dazzling donor, if that's the donation amount that you've been donating at, we sent out an email a little while ago, sort of giving folks the opportunity to fill out a little form Basically, as a dazzling donor, we will happily read a message from you about just about any topic you want. And we're very blessed that we have a pretty decent list of dazzling donors. But if I understand right, we've heard back from a handful of folks, but there's still some people out there that the main thing is we want to make sure that everybody who wants to put a message. Message in can put a message.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I think we're sending out another one today or sent one out today that doesn't have any links in it. We're having some issues with our email, but I sent out the newsletter earlier today and it looks like it went into people's inboxes. So we are definitely on the upswing here. But yeah, check your inbox. If you're somebody who is a dazzling donor and we're start reading those messages on the air. And if I recall, when we read those messages on the air, you're the one who reads them, Luke.

[Luke Burbank]

Right?

[Andrew Walsh]

I do blurs days. You do dazzling donors. So I would say say dazzling donors make it dirty. I mean, just as filthy as possible so that we can hear Luke read your filthy, filthy words.

[Luke Burbank]

But so if you, if you would like to, if you are a person who's doing a dazzling donation and you're wondering why you haven't received this, hopefully this next one will get to you. And the other thing is, if you're somebody who's donating, you're like, but I also don't want a homework project that is also totally. But we just want to make sure that everybody who wants to post a message or have us read a message, however filthy, is able to do that. So look for that in your inbox, please, if you're a dazzling donor. Meanwhile, if you're an. Angela Anderson of Seattle, Washington, we want.

[Andrew Walsh]

To thank you, Angela.

[Luke Burbank]

Angela is one of our supporters today. Thanks, Angela.

[Andrew Walsh]

Thank you. I hope I did not offend you with my conversation about some Seattle public art projects.

[Luke Burbank]

As a Seattleite, Angela is a known. She loves nothing more than a giant, giant piece of sheet metal that looks like someone went absolutely nuts with an angle grinder on. Yes. You know that, like that kind of like chrome that.

[Andrew Walsh]

But then it's.

[Luke Burbank]

It's like it's been sanded with one of those round sanders. Like the. Remember on the David Letterman. Like will it blend? Will it float? Those segments that he would do sort of.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think I know of them more of than actually seeing them.

[Luke Burbank]

It's just like the levels of comedy and weirdness that to Them, they would, you know, they'd do these like this little game like will something. Could you blend something in like a super high power blender or will it float if you throw it into water? But when they would announce that that's the little project they were going to do, he would have these two kind of almost Rockette style models come out, these women in kind of like a dress. And eventually, and they kept adding to the flair for these women. And eventually I remember one of them, one of the women had an angle grinder. She was wearing a cod piece of metal and then she would just run this angle grinder on it and, and it would just shoot sparks. I remember, I know nothing of this. This is what I remember. It was like they just kept adding to like the, they just kept adding what was going on with these two kind of women, like sort of showcase models. And I just remember Letterman just spending the entire segment talking about the grinder that she had that she could grind on this like piece of metal she was wearing so as to create sparks. It's so great. Nice. I'll tell you what else is great. Great Ki Suzuki down there in Pasadena, California.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, pass the donuts.

[Luke Burbank]

That's right.

[Andrew Walsh]

Something I came up with a while back. You can use it if you want.

[Luke Burbank]

You also invented south of Queso and pass the donuts.

[Andrew Walsh]

I did, of course. Famous.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you Kimmy. We really appreciate you. Thanks also to Dane Royer who's in Stevens Point, Wisconsin.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hey, thank you Dane.

[Luke Burbank]

Appreciate Wisconsin 106 out there in Stevens Point.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, you can. Well everybody can listen on if you're willing to stream it and you should.

[Luke Burbank]

If there's a question that you'd like to ponder.

[Andrew Walsh]

That's right.

[Luke Burbank]

They'll get to it, I promise. Thanks Dane. Thanks to Joyce Robertson in Seattle, Washington. A lovely, lovely place to be from.

[Andrew Walsh]

Absolutely. We know Joyce and we've met Joyce at the picnics and everything. Good to see your name Joyce. Thanks.

[Luke Burbank]

Speaking of Seattle, I went, I'm considering, I'm going to talk after the donors, just briefly. I know we're already getting long in the tooth here and we're posting late today but I want to tell you about, about my football watching plans for the super bowl but I'm also thinking about breaking my long running. No, no gear, no like wearing Seahawks stuff to watch the Seahawks because I've been seeing so many cool vintage like Seattle T shirts and then some that are not even vintage. They're, they're made new but they're like in the style of vintage T shirts.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes.

[Luke Burbank]

So it's like this is where the algorithm has really figured me out. It's like, he loves this football team, but he isn't just going to wear, like, a Ken Walker jersey. He likes something that looks like it was, like, in 1987 when we were rooting for the Seahawks.

[Andrew Walsh]

There is some super clean looking, retro Seahawks stuff that I see when I was getting on the plane, I think leaving Vegas, but heading back to Seattle. So you have a lot of, you know, Seahawks fans on the plane. I saw somebody. You know how you get a great view of people's hats when you're boarding the plane? You're usually first class, so you don't.

[Luke Burbank]

See as many hats. I've been coaching it up lately, that's for sure.

[Andrew Walsh]

But somebody just had on that really sweet blue hat. I don't. Not royal blue, just like Seahawks blue hat. And it just says in plain text, Seattle Seahawks. And nothing more than that.

[Luke Burbank]

Just Chuck Knox.

[Andrew Walsh]

What is. That was Chuck Knox.

[Luke Burbank]

Chuck Knox was our coach and he used to wear. That was the hat he would wear. Just said Seattle.

[Andrew Walsh]

It was so cool. Like. And I'm not. I don't think I've ever worn football gear. I guess I had some Browns T shirts, but I'd usually wear those under my other shirts. Anyway. Anyway, it just kept. Kept the Browns closer to my heart. But, you know, like, I'm not somebody who's ever, like, worn a baseball cap with a Browns or Seahawks logo on it. I'm just generally not into football designs. But I feel like the Seahawks are really locking it in on some of this retro stuff.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, they've got me figured out. And then the algorithms have found me. So anyway, all that was on the subject of Joyce being in Seattle. I. I don't know what my thoughts are on wearing Nittany Lions gear, but I know that Shannon Kenan is in State Colle, Pennsylvania, out there in Happy Valley.

[Andrew Walsh]

Do you know that I did have a Nittany Lyons hat? Coincidentally, I think it was a hat because my cousin got married there in state college when I was in. When I was in college myself, or maybe I was a senior in high school or something. I had. No, I still don't understand what a Nittany lion is. And I thought, that's a great question.

[Luke Burbank]

I've never taken a moment to actually ask myself, what is. What makes that lion nitney?

[Andrew Walsh]

I don't know. It doesn't sound fiercer, that's for sure. And I'm glad that they've decided to Specify.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, thank you so much, Shannon, for supporting the show. And then look who it is. It's Lucien Banning there in Olympia, Washington. Just. Just a hop, skip and a jump from where I am right now.

[Andrew Walsh]

Nice.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you very much, Lucien, and thank you to all of our donors for making TBTL possible. This is a. It's a minor miracle that we are here all these years later, and it's because of you generous folks. So thank you very much.

[Andrew Walsh]

Hello and welcome to Top Story.

[Luke Burbank]

I was talking, I know at some point a while ago on the show about how if the Seahawks were to make the super bowl, that would create a bit of an issue for me potentially, because I am the kind of person who, instead of thinking, oh, a Super bowl watching party with a bunch of people, that will be even more fun when my team is in the super bowl, it's kind of the opposite. I go into this really hyper anxious state of needing to, like, just have total focus for myself on the game. And I just know that if I'm in a group setting, there's just going to be a lot of people in the group setting who are. What do they call them? Normal.

[Andrew Walsh]

Mm.

[Luke Burbank]

And just like, hey, it's a football game. Hey, we're having some. We're having some snacks. Hey, I just watch it for the commercials. Like, I know that that's the more healthy and normal response. I also know that that could make me lose my damn mind if somebody says the wrong thing to me in a. In a sensitive moment. So. So I was like, well, I. Maybe I'll watch, you know, if the sea. I didn't think the Seattle's were going to go to the super bowl, first of all, but I was like, well, if they go, maybe I'll just watch it at my house or something. But that's, of course, very antisocial. And there's the very fact that like Becca's brother and his wife have. For the whole time that I've known them, they always have a Super bowl party. And particularly Darcy, who's Becca's sister in law, she loves putting the super bowl party on. She bakes a bunch of great snacks and gets it all ready and the bar is stocked and it's like a. It's a kind of a yearly highlight for them. And she and I are really friendly and we, you know, talk.

[Andrew Walsh]

She.

[Luke Burbank]

I give her betting tips on, like, she was there when Harrison Butker did that do joink. That won me a bunch of money. And that was what I think piqued her interest in sports. Gambling. But anyway, so I. I had said at some point, if the Seahawks get in the Super Bowl, I can't come to this watching party because it's like, I. I'm too crazy. I'm too weird about this. But then I also realized, like, what have I lost in my humanity? If, like, when this team that I love is going to be in this biggest of games, I have to be watching it by myself, like Howard Hughes, I have to be peeing into a jar and growing out my fingernails. And here in my house alone, pacing. Does that indicate that this is a positive in my life, that that's how I have to enjoy it or experience it? So I was like, what if Instead of doing that, I just learned. And by the way, watching the NFC Championship game in Florida with Becca, that was great for me because it forced me to watch the game and feel my feelings, but also not become a complete freakazoid.

[Andrew Walsh]

But you were still pacing. You're still watching through a window, which, you know, in a crowded room gets a little bit harder.

[Luke Burbank]

Totally. Yes, I was pacing. I was watching from the balcony. I was doing a lot of weird things. But what I wasn't doing was yelling profanities or being like, I wasn't. I wasn't. When a bad thing happened, I wasn't going to a dark place that's, like, upsetting to be around if you're like, you know, with that person, but you don't, you know, so much care about the game. Which is what I'm concerned about in this viewing party is that if something bad happens, I'll be so mad, I'll want to go, like, punch a wall or something.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

But. But what I can do and what I experienced with the NFC Championship Game is I can experience the highs. And I doesn't. I think I've. I. I've been of the opinion that in order to enjoy the highs of these games, I have to also experience the lows and that the. The feelings have to be so negative when it's bad, so that then when it's positive, I'm even. You know, and what I. On. On the nfc, thankfully, there weren't. I mean, there were some lows, like in the NFC Championship Game, certainly, when they went ahead at the end of the first half and they threw the. That little, like, touchdown pass, I think, to Williams, and he was uncovered, and he kind of scooted into the end zone. And all of a sudden we're, like, losing, I think, 13 to 10, and there's a minute and something left, and I'm Like, I'm. I'm like I felt bad about it, but what I didn't do is I didn't start swearing. I didn't start. I did text you guys that they should take reek woolen's helmet, but I didn't say that to Becca. I didn't say that to Becca. That was the point. I didn't go, like, I didn't, like, start screaming at her about the fact that requel and had more taunting penalties than any. Any other player in the league. All that is to say I decided I'm going to watch the game at Jeff and Darcy's house with everyone, but I'm going to set up a separate viewing area near their house. So they live on this big property that's actually the property that Becca grew up on. There's like the house that she grew up in where her parents lived for many years. And then this is in Salem in the Willamette valley. Then down the hill, there's another home. That's where Jeff and Darcy live. And. And then in between them, there are these couple of barns. One of them is called the white barn. It's. Her mom is a phenomenal painter, and one of the barns is where her painting studio is. Her mom kind of goes back and forth now between like living in sort of a retirement home situation in Portland and then staying sometime back on the property in Salem. But she's still got this, this barn, the white barn. And I realized what I the white barn is a two minute walk from Jeff and Darcy house. So what I'm going to do is I think we're literally going to go down there Saturday night and stay over so that Sunday morning I can get up. I'm going to bring my projector from here. I'm going to bring my laptop, I'm going to bring my YouTube TV account, and I'm going to set up an area where the game is playing, where I'm projecting it in the barn right by their house. So I can go out there if I need to. If I need to go and do my thing, I can go and do my thing. And then I can go back into the house. I've got options. And so I guess Jeff is actually maybe even today going to check the wi fi. I didn't ask him to do this. It's very nice. But he's going to go out there and basically get eyes on everything and make sure that the wi fi works sufficiently out there and that there's a good setup for me. But I feel like this is fairly Solomonic. Yeah, we'll find out together.

[Andrew Walsh]

But, like, if you predict that if you end up in. In the white barn with your new WI fi, I have a feeling that.

[Luke Burbank]

What you did was better.

[Andrew Walsh]

If you end up in the. In the white barn, I have a feeling. No, no, I think it's going to be fine. But you're not going to be there alone. Somebody is going to come with you. That's one thing that somebody else who cares about football. Unless you have, like, some sort of plans to barricade the door or something.

[Luke Burbank]

I just think about writing no girls backwards.

[Andrew Walsh]

One of my favorite jokes from the Simpsons is they have a Homer is a child. It's a flash flashback, and there is a sign that says no homers allowed or something. He's like, but you have the other homer there, and it says no homers, as in, no, you can't have more than one homer. Anyway, I have a feeling that in the same way that, like, the back of the Eagles last week became the pacing parlor, like, I needed to be away from everybody, and so I started pacing. But then other people. And again, I'm not saying that they were coming to talk to me, but I think other people where it's like, oh, my God.

[Luke Burbank]

Each other.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes. And you just sort of end up pacing back and forth and like, well, that's. I can see somebody. But. But it's. It's going to be the. It's going to be anybody who follows you back to the white barn is the only way I can say it is going to be invested in the game 100%. You know, in a.

[Luke Burbank]

Yes. If someone's got that same energy and they need to go be in the. You know, in the. In the weird pacing viewing area, that's totally, totally fine. All are welcome. But what I want to mostly do is make sure that, like, if my energy and anxiety levels go to some sort of place that I'm having a difficult time managing, I'm not going to be ruining the party for people or, like, overly intense about it. I've got somewhere. I've got a pressure release. I can go somewhere else and watch it and do whatever I need to do in terms of pacing and stuff. Now, the other thing I was going to say is what sort of helped me watching the NFC championship game is other than that moment where the Seahawks were losing, where they went down in the first half, they led throughout the game. I mean, they came back and scored a touchdown to end the first half, and then they never relinquished that lead. And now it was very scary. It was very stressful. There were so many times where it was like, by the way, did you see that there's this analysis that the. One of the plays that. Not the. I think it might have been the fourth down play when the Rams were about to. They were on like the four or five yards that basically there was these two plays that, that Devin Witherspoon broke up. The last. The third down pass. On the fourth down pass, I think it might have been. I don't know if it was the third or the fourth down pass, but there was a play where DeMarcus Lawrence actually messed up his coverage. But it saved the game for us. It saved that down. I've been. When I tell you, Andrew, that I have spent the last couple of days just deep, deep into the schematics of the scheming of these games, games and cover high shell and da da, da, da. Like somehow what TikTok has decided to give me is dudes who are breaking down the Seahawks game, like with the, you know, with the telestrator to a totally, unbelievably specific degree. Like I have probably have. There's. There's probably not a game that I have more understanding of the scheming of the game and what worked and didn't work than that last game. Because all I've been getting on and I'm just watching it, I'm endlessly fascinated. So there was a play where DeMarcus Lawrence is supposed to blitz, but either because he wisely saw that this running back was about to get past the cornerback and basically get open in the end zone for whatever reason, DeMarcus Lawrence breaks off his blitz and starts running back into pass coverage and effectively double covers this guy, which means that Matt Stafford can't go there and Stafford has to end up going to this other guy in the back of the end zone and it's an incomplete pass. But, but like, like. And then you see Mike McDonald on the sideline, like yelling line, line. Like he's mad that DeMarcus Lawrence isn't blitzing. But then he's like so happy when of course the, the coverage ends up working. But okay. So all that is to say, I think what helped me watching the NFC Championship game was that the Seahawks were in scary but okay position throughout. What will be the real test of the new Luke, of Luke who can roll with it, of Luke who can. Can keep a better perspective on these things will be how this game goes, how the super bowl goes for the. The Seahawks. If the Seahawks managed to come out to a pretty strong start. I mean, I think the Seahawks, on paper, are the vastly superior team to the Patriots. I don't think that that ensures us a victory at all. But I. I would rather be us than them. And what I would love nothing more. You know the other thing I've been rewatching last night, I rewatched all of the highlights of the super bowl against the Broncos.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh, yeah? Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

What a weird thing to do.

[Andrew Walsh]

What? They started with the ball. Did they fumble right away? What was the first.

[Luke Burbank]

They had a safety. I think it's the second play of the game. They snap it over Peyton Manning's. Yeah, it goes out the back of the end zone. So it was like. Like they. We kicked off to them. They had a they and they had a safety. So we were leading two. Nothing like a minute into the game.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yes, I remember.

[Luke Burbank]

Didn't let off from there.

[Andrew Walsh]

You know where I think I was? I think I said, this is just for you, by the way, not the audience. I think I was at Colin Campbell's house in Los Angeles watching that. I remember, remember, because I don't think anybody there were really Broncos fans or Seahawks fans, but I was living in Seattle. Wait a second. Could that possibly be true? Hold on, Luke. This doesn't matter, but help me out here. I was in LA for both of the Seahawks most recent Super Bowls. Yeah. There's no way I was at Collins House for that. Sorry. It doesn't really matter because the. Because you were involved in both of them in some way or another. You weren't in LA with me. But the first one that we won was the one where I got too drunk to finish the show. You and I were checking in via phone and recording ourselves. And then. And I was holding that table for everybody at whatever that bar was called. Not the backstage, the one in Koreatown. That was a Seahawks bar. And I got too drunk to finish the final segment with you. I said, you got to do this yourself. No judgment. And that was the one we won. So I was definitely.

[Luke Burbank]

That was the one we won. And then we went the following year. Did we do a show on the one we lost?

[Andrew Walsh]

You and I did not do a show. We weren't checking in, like, every quarter like we were for that one. But I have a very distinct memory of that second one, watching it at my friend's house. And they were the two hosts. The women who were living there and hosting the party were legit Seahawks fans and legit football fans, at least one of them, especially and so they were the opposite of like, why is everybody so sad? Mode. Like, they were. They were devastated, too. And I remember you. And I must. I don't remember taking my recorder there, but I remember being on the phone with you after that game. We're both trying to console each other, and I'm drunk and I'm outside in their bushes.

[Luke Burbank]

I want to have a memory of this.

[Andrew Walsh]

I have a vague memory of being in their bushes. And then they come and I'm record. I swear I'm recording with you. We must have brought our recorders just in case, like, wherever you were and me at their house, because then I remember them coming in and, like, kind of crashing the recording and just being like, what happened? What happened?

[Luke Burbank]

What's that energy I needed to be around. I was at this viewing party at a loft on Capitol Hill where I had been the previous year. So it had worked out year one, but then year two. And by the way, you know, the design scheme in that loft, Andrew, A lot of pipes.

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah, no, I've been there. I. I think I watched a game with you there one time. Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

So. But anyway, the true test for me will be how do I handle it when. If the Seahawks maybe don't get off to the hottest start, or if there are some points in the game where there's a call that I violently disagree with or whatever, that's where I'm going to try to. You know, particularly if I'm. If I'm in the. If I'm in the house with the normals watching the game, I'm going to try to just remember it is, in fact, a game. It is only a game, and it'll be all right. But. But the idea that, like, I have a refuge I can run to and get all my wiggles out, that's. That's making me feel. I'm feeling good about this. I'm feeling like this might be. This might be the perfect solution to this, because I can be around people that I like, but I also can go be by myself if I need to.

[Andrew Walsh]

I think it's gonna end up being the kitchen of a house party. You know how everybody gravitates toward the kitchen. Like, at first, it's just like the shy. There's like one Andrew in the kitchen with the cat or something, and then another shy person comes in and you're both talk about the cat. But then. And I keep on making it sound like people gravitate towards me. I don't mean it that way. I just mean that people are Always kind of like, oh, this is a chiller room in here, or whatever. And then it ends up being, oh, now everybody's in the kitchen.

[Luke Burbank]

Totally. It'll. But you imagine fourth quarter, all 25 people are in the barn. There's no one in the house except.

[Andrew Walsh]

For the host, who's mad.

[Luke Burbank]

No, no. Darcy's in there, too. Everyone's. For some reason, we've all relocated the entire thing to this other place. That would be actually kind of hilarious.

[Andrew Walsh]

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man. It's not from a female.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, a couple of emails or V mails before we head on out of here for the weekend. I'm doing my favorite thing ever, Andrew, which is I'm logging into my TBT account, which, by the way, has been actually pretty. It's worked well for me of late. All my belly aching.

[Andrew Walsh]

It's really funny to be. We had our first experience where I really am the email administrator. Like, I'm. I'm the Zach at Cairo or whatever. Like, you were having issues and. And you couldn't log in.

[Luke Burbank]

You're like, have you been vaping so much? It said.

[Andrew Walsh]

It said, I got a new rig. You got to see it. It's about the size of a small Toyota.

[Luke Burbank]

For those who don't know, this guy that we used to did it at the radio. Radio station was the most intense vapor, but his vape, not pen. What would you call it? I mean, it was literally like the size of a small vehicle.

[Andrew Walsh]

I believe they called it the Tercel Vapor. But anyway, it was funny. You couldn't get into your email, and you got a note back that said, well, you have to contact your administrator. And I guess I am the email administrator for tbtl.net so there you go. Did you find what you're looking for? I did.

[Luke Burbank]

Thank you. I mentioned this email earlier in the week. You know. You know, it's been a really tough time for people in this country and for our friends in Minnesota in particular right now, who are experiencing this government action in a really acute way. But for the rest of us, it's also just been so sort of like it's a feeling of powerlessness, and it's a feeling of being terrified for what this means for our country and then also having moments of fun, like the Seahawks winning the NFC Championship. And it's like, is it okay to enjoy your silly football team doing a thing at the same time when we have such awful things happening nationally? Anyway, we started the show, I think it was Monday, talking about. Because I was in Florida. I was in beautiful warm Florida in the afterglow of the Seahawks winning. And I just kind of didn't know if that was irresponsible of me to also be experiencing those kind of good feelings as well. And you and I both talked about that at the beginning of the show. Sarah said, hey fellas, I appreciated your opening today about podcasting our beloved inane podcast to us all, even when so much terrible shit is going on. I felt very much seen when you talk about the murders in Minneapolis. So thank you.

[Andrew Walsh]

I get it.

[Luke Burbank]

I think we all get it. And I will defend to the death your right to podcast. I've just bought another package of Ice Whistles link at the bottom if you're interested. And I don't think you, Luke and Becca needed to go to Minnesota to care. All are true. This shit is hard. Thank God for tbtl and thank you guys. It's okay to feel joy even if the government is so goddamn bad. This was the part of Sarah's email that I really liked. She said, some mountains feel too tall, but they're not if we're climbing together.

[Andrew Walsh]

Oh wow.

[Luke Burbank]

Which I was like, wow, that's. That's really, really, really well stated, Sarah. And you know, it works in a little TBTL lingo there as well. So Sarah, thank you for that email. That meant a lot to me because. And you know, that will not cure my crippling self doubt about what our tone should be on a given week. But I appreciated getting that from you, Sarah. Thanks so much.

[Andrew Walsh]

And I wanted to follow up with an email that I had referenced. I believe on yesterday's show that I can't believe I have not written back to Molly yet. By the way, Molly sent this in three days ago and I was so excited to get this email. I'm not joking you send it to me. I was so excited to get this email that I did not feel like I should respond right away because I wanted to think about. I wanted to write a proper email response. But the problem with that is now it's three days later and I never wrote back at all. Literally. I can't rank every email I've gotten through the TBTL account since I started on this show with you, Luke, back in 2012. But this is certainly top five, if not the most the email that has filled me with the most delight and it is referencing this tape that I was playing for you earlier this week. I found this on an old VHS tape that I got at a garage sale. I was digitizing commercials like I like to do as my high hobby. And for the first time ever, I grabbed the tape that was minimally labeled. It just somebody had written Bubbles Easter on it and it did not involve your cat Bubbles. And I put it in and it was about 15 minutes of like what we would call like kind of home video, only didn't take place in the home. It seemed to take place in the Bitter Lake Community Center. And it was a woman clearly behind the camera who was, you know, I can picture it, even though obviously you never see the camera. It's probably up on her shoulder, right? And she's interviewing all of these kids who are getting ready for their big Easter egg hunt and then later on to make these big bubbles outside on Easter. And it sounded like her name because all these kids are coming up to her and saying hi. And it sounds like they're calling her Dairy D E, which was our name.

[Luke Burbank]

I never heard before.

[Andrew Walsh]

Me neither. And I thought maybe they're saying Terry. But it's just like. It's just. This is some I'm going to see. I'm going to hit play on this again just to reset the scene. This is inside like a gymnast, I think, in the Bitter Lake Community Center, 1994. I should say, hi, Gary. Hi, Gary. Hi, Darry. These little kids are waving at her with their Easter egg baskets or whatever, saying, hi, Darry. Hi, Dari. And I played this on the show because I wanted to see, you know, with our very Seattle based audience, a lot of these folks being around our age, who would have been kids around the this time. Like, does anybody know? Does anybody know any of the people in this. Do you know who Dairy or Terry is? I got this email from listener Molly. The subject line is dairy with the D at Bitter Lake was the best. Double exclamation point. Molly says, I was delighted by your segment about the Bitter Lake Community Center's 1994 Easter Egg Hunt with Dairy. I went to the elementary school adjoining Bitter Lake Community center and I attended aftercare and summer camp with Dairy. If you do decide to upload to YouTube, let me know to brag. I did win the All American Girl Award from Bitter Lake Camp one summer. And while I don't know if Dairy was the one who picked the winners, I'm going to pretend that she had something to do with the selection. So anyway. Oh, I love this. At one point, Dairy walks in front of the camera and I got eyes on her and I sort of describing her. She Was wearing a button down, kind of oversized. You know, it's 1994, so it's like this kind of oversized button down, button down shirt with kind of big polka dots on it. Like big. And at one point she got close to the camera and I could see that inside the big polka dots was another design. Like a kind of a design within a design. But I couldn't tell what was inside. And I need to go back to that tape and enhance. Enhance. Because Molly says. By any chance was the polka dot overshirt that you described her wearing a Mickey or Minnie Mouse themed shirt? It's been a while and I would have been about 7 or 8 years old when I was a bitter like camp. But my memory is that she loved Disneyland and often wore Disney themed attire. Thinking back on it though, perhaps she wore Disney related things because she was working with kids. Anyway, so I need to take a better look at that. I forgot to check that before reading this email. But my goodness, Molly, I cannot put into words. I do all of this digitizing and it gives me a feeling when I'm doing it. It feels special to me all the time. I feel like I'm stumbling on something that is true, truly, truly unique. Nobody else has this video cassette tape, right? Like, this is gone unless they happen to digitize it before. They just loaded it into a box and, you know, put it up for sale at a garage sale. I think this was a box that I even asked. I'm like, do you have any home videotapes? You know, like, because I digitized commercials and like, yeah, just take the box. So, like, I don't think anybody has seen this since probably 1994 or 1996. I doubt there's any other digital copies of, of it. And I kind of maybe take it too seriously. I feel like it's really history. And so I feel special to find this stuff, but then to be able to come on the show and hear somebody say, oh yeah, I know that person. Like that I literally. You said yesterday something about maybe the Germans have a word for it. Maybe the Germans have a word for it because I don't know how to describe the emotion it gives me. But it's good and it's delightful and it's some sort of deep joy that feels even bigger than that to me. So thank you, Molly.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, it's like a connection also. That's got to be the first time, right, that somebody associated with one of the things that you've digitized has actually, like, you know, has made contact, right?

[Andrew Walsh]

Yeah. I mean, certainly because usually what I digitize are TV commercials. So actually that's not entirely true. I have heard from people. In fact, we even had one fella on our show on after the these messages because I digitized a McDonald's commercial from the 90s that included a kids choir. They were singing or I think it was a. Doesn't matter. I think it was a Pizza Hut commercial because it was about deep dish pizza and all these kids are singing in these high angelic voices. Then one of them takes a bite of the deep dish pizza and he starts singing really low like this. Well, somebody wrote to me and said, I've been looking for this for a long time. I'm one of the kids in the choir. And we had him on the show and he was one of the best guests we have ever had. He was amazing. And he recently got back into acting, although he was invited into this set because of his involvement in his school choir. But all that is to say that has happened several times where people are like, I've been looking for this. I was in this commercial. And that's really special too.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, well, it was. Molly was the name Molly. Now do we have to then Molly. Can you give us more information on Derry? I mean, is that the next. I mean, we don't have to turn it into this, but I mean, are about we talking, trying to. Are we trying to interview Dari about her experience or are we just enjoying the fact that Dari was obviously an awesome teacher and person or whatever her exact job was. That dairy was just really great at this. And that can be enough.

[Andrew Walsh]

I would love to. So here's the deal. I. So I keep on talking about all these tapes that I find at garage sales. Right? But the truth is, it's all a lie. None of this is real. It's all kayfabe. No, I've only gone. I've only actually acquired VHS tapes from two sources, not counting some listeners who have sent me like one or two here and there. But it was two different garage sales and they were both in the. Is it the Bitter Lake area? Because there's this. There's this neighborhood that has a neighborhood wide garage sale day every summer. And I went two years, not quite in a row, but it's kind of. I want to describe it to you as where somebody who we both know lives, but that would dox them. Anyway, it's kind of a nicer area. And I think when I picked up each of these boxes about two years apart, I think I made a note Somewhere of the address of the house. Because I think I told both parties, like, if I find anything that seems like special home movies or anything, I will get it back to you or I will digitize it and get it to you. And I am trying to figure out where I would have written that information down. And I want to look into that because I will. I don't have any contact information, like a phone number or a email address. But I was literally the other day thinking, if I can track down where I got this tape from, should I knock on the door and just say, hey, listen, I did find something that seems sort of like personal and not intimate or anything, but something that you guys might want. And I've digitized it. Can I get it to you in some way? And I was sort of wondering about that. But maybe you're right. Maybe if Molly came can help. It would be a lot less creepy than knocking on somebody's door, I'll tell you that much. And then I wasn't thinking about having Dari on the show, but that would be amazing if we were able to do that.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, maybe we can just reach out via the imaginary radio and say, molly, if you're hearing this and you have any more information or if you want to reach out to dairy, let us know because maybe that would be.

[Andrew Walsh]

That would be.

[Luke Burbank]

I bet you. Again, I don't want to assume anything. We also don't know Darius, you know, still with us or not, we don't know anything about this. But like, I could imagine hearing from one of her sort of old students or kids that were participating in this program. I bet you she'd love to hear from you. And maybe that would smooth the way for us having her on and finding out what was going on with all that adult Disney behavior back in the day.

[Andrew Walsh]

Absolutely. You're ahead of the curve on that Dairy, if you're listening.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Andrew Walsh]

Anyway, really special times, Molly. Thank you so much for that. I'm just delighted.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, fun way to end the week. A week that's otherwise got lots of unfun things going on. So again, thank you everyone for spending this time with us. That is gonna do it for this broadcast week. But we are going to be right back here on Monday with more imaginary radio for all of you. So please come on by for that. In the meantime, everybody, have a great Friday. Have a great weekend as well. Stay safe, stay warm. And please remember, no what matter mountain too tall.

[Andrew Walsh]

And good luck to all. It's only game why you have to be mad Power out.