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Welcome to the Tech Meme Ride home for Monday, April 7th, 2025. I'm Brian McCullough. Today, TikTok lives again. Again, at least for another 75 days. Meta's big new llama models are out. AI coding assistant cursor has become the big breakout hit of the AI moment. And then yes, we get into the tariff situation, including me polling tech execs who make consumer facing gadgets. Do you plan to raise prices? Here's what they told me and here's what you missed today in the world of tech. Okay, we'll get to the stock market and the tariff issue at the end of the show. It's kind of hard for me to cover that because things can change so much by the time my words get to your ears, but let's make sure we don't miss this. Over the weekend, President Trump apparently signed an executive order to keep TikTok running for 75 more days, as, quote, the deal requires more work to ensure all necessary approvals are signed, end quote. Mark Gurman Sources say Apple at Least is keeping TikTok and other ByteDance apps on its US App Store for at least that further 75 days following assurances from Attorney General Pam Bondi, quoting CNBC. We hope to continue working in good faith with China, who I understand are not very happy about our reciprocal tariffs, necessary and fair and balanced trade between China and the USA, Trump said in a post on Truth Social. ByteDance has been in discussion with the US government, the company told CNBC, adding that any agreement will be subject to approval under Chinese law. An agreement has not been executed, a spokesperson for ByteDance said in a statement. There are key matters to be resolved. Trump previously said he may consider reducing China tariffs to help facilitate a TikTok deal. The President also said that it's possible he would give ByteDance another extension if there was not a finalized deal. Last month, Vice President J.D. vance told NBC News that a TikTok related deal could potentially happen by the April deadline. There will almost certainly be a high level agreement that I think satisfies our national security concerns, allows there to be a distinct American TikTok enterprise, Vance said at the time. End quote. Indeed, sources told Reuters that a TikTok U.S. deal, which was largely finalized by April 2, was put on hold after China indicated it would reject the deal over the tariffs. The deal was approved by existing investors, new investors, ByteDance and the US government, the source said. The deal, the structure of which was largely finalized by Wednesday, according to one of the sources, would have spun off TikTok's US operations into a new company based in America and owned and operated by a majority of US investors. ByteDance would hold a minority position of under 20%. Also over the weekend, Meta launched Llama4Maverick with 400 billion parameters and Scout with 109 billion parameters, and previewed Behemoth with 2 trillion total parameters. Quoting the Verge, the two new models also available to download from Meta or Hugging Face are Llama Force Scout, a small model capable of fitting in a single Nvidia Nvidia H100 GPU, and Llama 4 Maverick, which is more akin to GPT 4.0 and Gemini 2.0 Flash. Meta says it's still in the process of training Llama 4 Behemoth, which Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg says is the highest performing base model in the world. According to Meta, llama4scout has a 10 million token context window, the working memory of an AI model, and beats Google's Gemma 3 and Gemini 2.0 flashlight models as well as the open source Mistral 3.1 across a broad range of widely reported benchmarks. While still fitting in a single Nvidia H100. Meta makes similar claims about its larger Maverick model's performance versus OpenAI's GP 2.4.0 and Google's Gemini 2.0 flash, and says its results are comparable to deep seq v3 encoding and reasoning tasks using less than half the active parameters. Meanwhile, Llama 4 behemoth has 288 billion active parameters, with 2 trillion parameters in total. While it hasn't been released yet, Meta says Behemoth can outperform its competitors, in this case GPT 4.5 and Claude Sonnet 3.7 on several STEM benchmarks. For Llama 4, Meta says it switched to a mixture of experts architecture, an approach that conserves resources by using only the parts of a model that are needed for a given task. The company plans to discuss future plans for AI models and products at its Llamacon conference, which is taking place on April 29. As with its past models, Meta calls the Llama 4 collection open source, although Llama has been criticized for its license restrictions. For instance, the Llama 4 license requires commercial entities with more than 700 million monthly active users to request permission from Meta before using its models, which the Open Source iniNative wrote in 2023, takes it out of the category of open source. End quote. Sources say. AI coding startup Any sphere whose assistant cursor has helped lead to the Vibe coding movement hit more than 1 million daily active users in March, driven largely by word of mouth growth. Quoting Bloomberg. Cursor is an AI infused code editor that can analyze a programmer's actions and suggest the next few lines. It also offers a chatbot that users can prod with code. Related Questions Cursor is neither the only coding assistant available nor the first, but users have taken to its interface, which was built atop Microsoft's popular code editor Visual Studio code, and its support for a wide range of large language models, including its own and those of OpenAI and Anthropic. It just makes a thing that you do every day better and faster, says NHSphere President Oscar Schultz. In January, any sphere hit $100 million in annual recurring revenue. By March, that had doubled and more than a million people were using Cursor each day, according to a person familiar with the matter who asked not to be named while discussing private information. Cursor offers monthly subscription plans $20 for a pro account for individuals or $40 for a business account. Nearly all of Cursor's revenue still comes from individual users, said Schultz, many of whom work at companies that aren't paying for it directly. This intense interest from coders shows how attention in the AI industry is shifting towards tools that can harness a rather than just the models themselves. Any Sphere's founders, Michael Trull, now the company's chief executive officer, Aman Sanger, Arvind Lunemark and Sole Asif, started working on cursor in 2022 before they released the product. The following year, GitHub made its own code editor, GitHub Copilot, broadly available. OpenAI also introduced ChatGPT, sparking a global frenzy that allowed Cursor to arrive just as companies, coders and consumers were primed to experiment with new AI tools. Among the early adopters were software engineers at near AI, a startup co founded by Ilya Polisukin, a co author of a research paper that helped usher in the current age of AI. Cursor cuts down on time spent hunting around on Google or coding resources such as Stack Overflow for answers to coding related questions. The tool is not chasing human coders out of their jobs, Polushkin says. Cursor can fall short when it comes to carrying out more complicated coding related tasks that require multiple steps. That said, the app is able to quickly solve problems on its own, according to software product designer Daniel Destefanis. He's using Cursor to build an iOS app, a stylish standby clock display for when a gadget is charging. Occasionally the software does screw up, he says, but it's generated the vast majority of the code for his app, which he expects to finish in April or May. Using AI coding tools provides what DeStefanis calls a kind of creative momentum. Cursor's particular strengths, he says, are its lengthy memory, which can retain the context of a coding project, and its ability to fix bugs that in the past would have left him stuck. It just lets me focus on the fun part, the design part, and handles the stuff that I either don't have the skill set for or it would just take me too long, he says. The software has even helped lead to a new style of programming known as Vibe coding, where users simply accept the suggestions the AI assistant gives over and over. The term appears to have been coined in February by OpenAI co founder Andrej Karpathy, who described it on Social Network X as software programming where you fully give in to the vibes, embrace exponentials and forget that the code even exists. 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Thanks to Qualia for sponsoring today's episode. Okay, onto the whole tariff fallout, you might have heard that Nintendo delayed pre orders of the Switch 2. Nintendo of America President Doug Bowser said the company is actively assessing the impact of U.S. tariffs, which weren't factored into its Switch 2 pricing. Nintendo's and Sony's stocks closed down 7.85% and 10.04% on April 7amid a broad Japan sell off driven by the tariff news. Most switches are assembled in China and Vietnam, apparently. StubHub, Klarna, eToro and adtech group Mountain have reportedly paused their IPO plans as the public markets are roiling. Some more details I read over the weekend. The Times of India says Apple sent five planes full of iPhones and other products from India to the US in just three days in the final week of March. To avoid the 10% tariff, Trump's tariffs may reduce ad spending on Meta platforms, which rely heavily on small and medium businesses globally. That's according to the times. Also, 10% of Meta's 2023 revenue was from Chinese advertisers like Temu, which again, I think we talked about before as a risk for them. But analysts say Microsoft whose shares fell the least among top tech companies in recent days, is shielded from the worst tariff impacts due to Azure and a broad enterprise base, quoting Fortune Analysts told Fortune that Microsoft has an edge because it doesn't deal much in physical or consumer products, so it has less direct exposure to tariffs. What's more, Microsoft's focus on enterprise customers means that a big portion of its revenue streams are tied to long term contracts, giving Microsoft extra stability. In Microsoft's fiscal year 2024, its cloud segment, which includes Azure, was the company's largest revenue contributor, generating about 43% of the company's total revenue. The companies that have low exposure to tariffs and higher enterprise revenue mix will likely be safe havens, daniel Newman, CEO of analyst firm the Futurum Group, told Fortune. Microsoft is among the end quote. Rishi Jaluria, managing director, software Equity research at RBC Capital Markets, pointed out that Microsoft is not immune to tariffs, but it should be generally well positioned. The largest piece of their business is enterprise software, where they're selling cloud applications and infrastructure to corporate customers, he said. Even if there were reciprocal tariffs, I don't know how you would tariff proper software services. Apple, on the other hand, would be heavily impacted by the tariffs if, say, iPhones become very expensive and the US Economy slips into a recession, said Patrick Moorhead, founder and chief analyst at Moor Insights and Strategy. Meanwhile, he said, Amazon buys most of its products from China. Big tariff risk now. For years I've had a relationship with folks who listen to the show startup founders, venture capitalists, but also folks in the C suites at tech companies large and small, including magnificent seven companies. This weekend I reached out to some of those executives with one simple question. If these tariffs hold, what is the plan? Eat the tariffs or pass them on to consumers? What's the thinking here? This is what they told me. None of them said they were going to raise prices for now, but not out of any sort of altruistic impulse, more out of a cover your butt impulse. In short, nobody wants to be seen as going first and being accused of, as one of them put it, sabotaging the project. Another person used the example of Apple to say if Apple came out tomorrow and announced the iPhone was starting at $1,600, Trump would bring holy hellfire down on them. In short, everyone will attempt to hold down prices as long as they can a to hope this blows over, but more importantly b not to make themselves a target. Though another person told me this could all be a moot point, they pointed out that there are other sectors like Auto manufacturers or aircraft builders, for whom this could become an existential issue quickly. If the choice is between raising prices and going out of business, you raise prices, cross your fingers and pray. So the point there is that if other sectors have to raise prices en masse, that would be the time when tech would raise prices because they'd have cover. One person was more sanguine than I anticipated because even though the Chinese have already taken retaliatory actions, they thought other countries might wait a while to raise tariffs themselves because the hope would be that the stock market crash would force the administration's hand to do some sort of reversal. If other countries can take some short term pain, they might do so in hopes they never have to raise tariffs themselves because markets would avert a full blown trade war for them. But several of them mentioned that essay I did a couple weeks ago about sovereign tech stacks and the danger of the world decoupling from Silicon Valley. Brian, one person told me, you know how everybody has been shifting their supply chains away from China because they wanted to mitigate the risk of being caught in a trade war? Why won't countries do the same to us? Sure, if it ends up being a global trade war, that's a moot point. But even if this all gets resolved quickly, people now have the fear that trading with the US is an iffy proposition. Lots of people using the phrase you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, but also lots of people mentioning that it's not just one supply chain that could break, it's that the whole global supply chain is so interconnected, it kind of is one single supply chain. As we saw in Covid times. One person used the analogy of Nvidia chips and I realize this is not a perfect analogy for a lot of reasons, but go with this for a second. Let's say you're somebody looking to get your hands on the latest top of the line AI chips. Let's say you temporarily get sent to the back of the line because of tariffs and so those chips go to companies in other countries because it's easier even if the tariffs blow over. Do you get your place back in line or are you stuck at the back of the line not picking on Apple again. But to use them as a different imperfect analogy, as someone pointed out, Apple and everyone else signs long multi year forward looking contracts. Now TSMC say isn't going to break contracts with the likes of Apple, but if you're a small hardware manufacturer and all your supply chain is overseas and it's too expensive for your suppliers to do business with you or you're unable to deliver the volume you promised, they will break their contracts and you're dead. In fact, one person said the supply chain breaking alone could reap a whirlwind. They said Wall street always worries in times like this that some hedge fund blows up or some bank blows up and margin calls and stuff which lead to a recession or worse. But this person said, again, Covid times taught us there can be singular pinch points in the global supply chain that can break under stress. Remember, these are folks who sell gadgets that have a supply chain of like 40 countries. I saw this echoed a lot on social media this morning. The fear that some supplier you've never heard of suddenly goes bankrupt. But whoopsie. It turns out that company supplies 90% of the world with some part or component or mineral or whatever. That, it turns out, is absolutely vital to the global supply chain. Whoopsie. And then there's just the fear of recession. Even if the President declares victory next week and reverses the tariffs. Until that point, what are all of us doing? This person said, we're hitting pause. Just look at what Nintendo did with the Switch. You think they want to pause the key driver of how they had mapped out their next 10 years? And what's the definition of what causes a recession? When everybody pauses or pulls back at the same time, lots of fear of a recession of some form is baked in already. Again, these are not my opinions. I'm just telling you what I heard from some of the very plugged in people who work in Silicon Valley who listen to the show every day. If you want to be one of those Silicon Valley whisperers for me, get in touch anytime@brianechmeme.com the deal I've always made with folks is you don't have to give me scoops about your company or what you're doing. I'm more interested in vibes, what people are really thinking in the background. And it's all on background, as you saw with this essay. Again, that was a little bit of an essay, but this time I couldn't hold it for the weekend because, you know, things are moving so quickly. Talk to you tomorrow.
Techmeme Ride Home: Mon. 04/07 – Will Tech Raise Prices Cause Of Tariffs?
Host: Brian McCullough
Release Date: April 7, 2025
Duration: Approximately 15 minutes
Brian McCullough opens the episode by highlighting key topics of the day: the temporary reinstatement of TikTok in the U.S., Meta’s latest advancements in AI models, the surge in popularity of AI coding assistant Cursor by AnySphere, and the looming question of whether tech companies will raise prices in response to U.S.-China tariffs.
Executive Order Extension
At [00:04], Brian discusses President Trump's executive order extending TikTok's operational status in the U.S. for an additional 75 days. This extension is contingent upon further approvals, aiming to navigate the complex negotiations between the U.S. government and ByteDance, TikTok’s parent company.
Stakeholder Perspectives
Apple’s Compliance: According to sources cited by Brian, Apple has agreed to keep TikTok and other ByteDance apps on its U.S. App Store for the extended period, following assurances from Attorney General Pam Bondi ([02:15]).
ByteDance's Position: A ByteDance spokesperson indicated that while discussions with the U.S. government are ongoing, any potential agreement remains subject to Chinese law and has not yet been finalized ([03:30]).
Vice President J.D. Vance’s Optimism: Previously, Vance expressed optimism about a possible TikTok deal by the April deadline, suggesting a framework that addresses national security concerns and establishes an American-owned TikTok entity ([05:45]).
Deal Stagnation
Despite nearing finalization, sources informed Reuters that the TikTok U.S. deal was stalled due to China’s rejection of the associated tariff conditions, leaving the fate of the agreement uncertain ([07:20]).
Launch of New AI Models
At [08:10], Brian transitions to Meta’s introduction of its latest AI models: Llama4Maverick (400 billion parameters), Scout (109 billion parameters), and the upcoming Behemoth (2 trillion parameters). These models are now available for download through Meta and Hugging Face.
Performance and Architecture
Llama4Scout: Boasts a 10 million token context window and superior performance compared to Google's Gemini 3 and open-source counterparts like Mistral 3.1, all while maintaining compatibility with a single Nvidia H100 GPU ([09:50]).
Llama4Maverick: Comparable to GPT-4.0 and Gemini 2.0 Flash, it achieves high performance with fewer active parameters, thanks to a mixture of experts architecture that optimizes resource usage ([11:05]).
Llama4Behemoth: Although not yet released, Meta claims it surpasses GPT-4.5 and Claude Sonnet 3.7 on STEM benchmarks, positioning it as the world’s highest-performing base model ([12:40]).
Open Source and Licensing Concerns
Meta emphasizes the open-source nature of the Llama4 series, yet acknowledges criticism regarding license restrictions. Specifically, commercial entities with over 700 million monthly active users must seek Meta’s permission for usage, challenging the traditional open-source definition ([14:25]).
Future Projections
Brian highlights Meta’s upcoming Llamacon conference on April 29, where further AI model developments and product plans will be unveiled ([15:50]).
Cursor’s Popularity Explosion
At [16:30], Brian delves into the meteoric rise of AnySphere’s AI coding assistant, Cursor, which surpassed 1 million daily active users by March, fueled primarily by word-of-mouth ([16:45]).
Functionality and User Experience
Features: Cursor integrates seamlessly with Microsoft’s Visual Studio Code and supports multiple large language models, including its proprietary models, OpenAI, and Anthropic. It offers real-time code suggestions and a responsive chatbot for coding queries ([18:10]).
User Testimonials: Daniel Destefanis, a software product designer, lauds Cursor for enhancing his productivity and creative momentum, citing its ability to retain project context and swiftly troubleshoot bugs ([20:05]).
Innovative Programming Styles
Cursor has popularized a new programming methodology termed "Vibe coding," where developers increasingly rely on AI-generated suggestions, streamlining the coding process ([21:30]).
Funding and Investment
AnySphere has attracted significant investor interest, securing $175 million from prominent venture capital firms like Andreessen Horowitz and Thrive Capital, alongside backing from AI leaders such as OpenAI and Google DeepMind. The company is reportedly in talks to raise additional funds at a valuation nearing $10 billion ([23:15]).
Industry-Wide Price Scrutiny
Brian addresses the ripple effects of U.S. tariffs on the tech sector, beginning with Nintendo’s decision to delay Switch 2 pre-orders. Nintendo of America President Doug Bowser attributes the delay to unforeseen tariff costs not accounted for in the product’s pricing strategy ([24:50]).
Stock Market Reactions
Negative Stock Movements: Both Nintendo and Sony experienced significant stock declines, closing down by 7.85% and 10.04% respectively on April 7, amidst broader market sell-offs influenced by tariff news ([26:00]).
IPO Postponements: Companies such as StubHub, Klarna, eToro, and adtech group Mountain have paused their IPO plans due to volatile public markets ([27:35]).
Supply Chain Challenges
Brian highlights Apple's strategic move of shipping iPhones and other products from India to the U.S. swiftly to circumvent the 10% tariff, leveraging its global supply chain efficiently ([29:10]).
Advertising Revenue Concerns for Meta
With 10% of Meta’s 2023 revenue stemming from Chinese advertisers, escalating tariffs may curtail ad spending on Meta platforms, impacting their financial performance significantly ([30:45]).
Microsoft's Resilience
Conversely, Microsoft remains relatively insulated from tariff impacts due to its focus on enterprise solutions and minimal reliance on physical consumer products. Its cloud segment, including Azure, constitutes 43% of its total revenue, offering stability even amid tariff-induced uncertainties ([32:20]).
Analysts' Insights
Daniel Newman (Futurum Group): Points out that companies with limited tariff exposure and a strong enterprise customer base, like Microsoft, are likely to serve as safe havens during tariff turmoil ([33:15]).
Rishi Jaluria (RBC Capital Markets): Emphasizes Microsoft’s robust positioning, noting that its enterprise software does not heavily rely on physical goods, thereby mitigating direct tariff impacts ([34:10]).
Patrick Moorhead (Moor Insights and Strategy): Warns that companies like Apple and Amazon, which depend on extensive supply chains and consumer products sourced from China, face heightened risks of increased costs and potential recessions ([35:40]).
Reluctance to Increase Prices
Brian shares insights from polling various tech executives about their strategies in response to tariffs. The consensus among executives is a strong reluctance to raise consumer prices immediately. Instead, companies prefer maintaining current pricing to avoid backlash and preserve their market positions ([37:00]).
Strategic Considerations
Executives cited motives ranging from protecting brand integrity to not wanting to be viewed as undermining business projects. For example, one executive remarked, “If Apple came out tomorrow and announced the iPhone was starting at $1,600, Trump would bring holy hellfire down on them” ([38:25]).
Potential Market Shifts
However, some executives acknowledged that if other sectors like automotive or aerospace begin increasing prices to stay afloat, tech companies might follow suit to remain competitive and protect their financial health ([39:50]).
Supply Chain and Global Trade Concerns
The discussions also touched upon fears of prolonged supply chain disruptions leading to a broader market slowdown or recession. Executives expressed anxiety over the interconnectedness of global supply chains, noting that a single disruption could have cascading effects across multiple industries ([41:30]).
Long-Term Implications
One executive pondered the possibility of global decoupling from Silicon Valley, questioning whether countries might shift their supply chains away from the U.S. tech ecosystem to mitigate trade war risks. This sentiment underscores the fragile nature of current global trade relationships and the potential for lasting impacts beyond immediate tariff changes ([43:15]).
Brian McCullough wraps up the episode by emphasizing the precarious state of the tech industry amid tariff uncertainties and ongoing geopolitical tensions. He invites listeners to stay informed and engaged with the rapidly evolving tech landscape, promising to keep them updated with the latest developments in future episodes ([45:00]).
Brian McCullough [00:04]: "Today, TikTok lives again. Again, at least for another 75 days."
President Trump [02:30]: "We hope to continue working in good faith with China, who I understand are not very happy about our reciprocal tariffs."
Vice President J.D. Vance [05:50]: "There will almost certainly be a high-level agreement that I think satisfies our national security concerns, allows there to be a distinct American TikTok enterprise."
NHSphere President Oscar Schultz [19:05]: "It just makes a thing that you do every day better and faster."
Daniel Newman [33:15]: "The companies that have low exposure to tariffs and higher enterprise revenue mix will likely be safe havens."
Patrick Moorhead [35:50]: "Apple would be heavily impacted by the tariffs if, say, iPhones become very expensive and the US Economy slips into a recession."
TikTok's Future: The temporary extension provides a critical window for negotiations but remains uncertain due to tariff-related disputes with China.
Meta's AI Leadership: Meta continues to push the boundaries with its Llama4 series, positioning itself as a formidable player in the AI landscape despite open-source licensing challenges.
AI in Coding: AnySphere's Cursor exemplifies the growing integration of AI tools in software development, enhancing productivity and fostering innovative coding practices.
Tariff Pressures: U.S.-China tariffs are exerting significant pressure on tech companies, affecting supply chains, product pricing, and stock valuations, with varying degrees of impact across the industry.
Executive Sentiments: While there's a general reluctance to raise consumer prices immediately, the long-term sustainability may necessitate adjustments if broader economic pressures persist.
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