Musk V. Altman Closing Arguments

Summary

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Tech Brew Ride Home – May 15, 2026

Episode Title: Musk v. Altman Closing Arguments
Host: Brian McCullough (Morning Brew)
Duration: ~17 minutes
Theme: Fast-paced, essential updates from the world of tech, with a spotlight on the dramatic courtroom showdown between Elon Musk and Sam Altman (OpenAI). Also covers updates from Google, Meta, OpenAI, and more.

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the high-stakes legal battle between Elon Musk and Sam Altman as the jury hears closing arguments. The show delivers rapid-fire updates on major tech stories, including Google’s email storage policy change, Meta’s Ray Ban glasses upgrades, OpenAI’s Codex expansion, and long-read recommendations covering AI in medicine and the world of AI roleplay chatbots.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Musk v. Altman Trial: Closing Arguments

(Starts at 01:35)

• Jury’s Decisions:

  • Whether Musk filed his lawsuit within the statute of limitations.
  • If OpenAI and its executives broke a charitable trust.
  • If Sam Altman and Greg Brockman unjustly enriched themselves at Musk's expense.
  • Whether Microsoft aided and abetted in this breach.
  • Musk claims to have invested $38 million in OpenAI, while Microsoft became the major investor after Musk's exit.
  • The defense asserts Musk waited too long (“cannot claim harms that occurred before August 2021”) ([02:06]).

• Attorney Highlights:

  • Elon Musk's Attorney (Steven Molo):

    • Emphasized Altman’s credibility issues, citing five witnesses—Musk, Ilya Sutskever, Mira Murati, Helen Toner, and Tasha McCauley—who "called him a liar under oath" ([03:24]).
    • “Liar is a very powerful word in a courtroom.” – Molo ([03:32])
    • Told the jury: "If you cannot trust him, if you don't believe him, they cannot win. It's that simple." ([03:45])
    • Despite earlier indications Musk did not seek monetary damages, the judge intervened, clarifying that Musk is, in fact, seeking "billions of dollars of disgorgement…to fund the altruistic efforts of OpenAI’s charitable arm" ([04:44]).

  • OpenAI’s Attorney (Sarah Eddy):

    • Reversed the credibility argument: “Mr. Musk is the one whose testimony is contradicted by every other witness.” ([05:09])
    • Asserted Musk knew and supported OpenAI’s pivot to a profit model. Challenged Musk's claim to perpetual rights, likening it to forcing strings that "tie OpenAI up in knots as it tries to pursue its mission" ([05:21]).
    • “Mr. Musk has come nowhere close to making that case.” ([05:31])
    • Suggested Musk's end game was dominion: "He wanted dominion over AGI…Mr. Musk wanted total control. Maybe he'd give it up over time, or maybe not. But it was up to him, and that was the problem." ([05:50]–[06:04])

• Notable Moment:

  • The judge admonished Musk’s attorney for misleading the jury about financial motivations, clarifying that Musk is seeking significant monetary relief to direct to charitable ends ([04:44]).

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2. Other Tech News Updates

Google Tests Cutting Free Gmail Storage

(06:14)

• Google is testing reducing free Gmail storage for new accounts from 15GB to 5GB unless users add a phone number—an incentive for more data collection under the guise of security and spam prevention.
  • Statement: Google says, “[this] will help us continue to provide a high quality storage service to our users while encouraging users to improve their account security and data recovery.” ([07:18])

Meta Ray Ban Display Glasses: Developer Access & Features

(07:30)

• Meta rolls out neural handwriting support for all users and opens its Ray Ban smart glasses to third-party developers. Now supports:
  • Messaging integration (WhatsApp, Messenger, Instagram)
  • Display recording (video blending real world & digital overlays)
  • Walking directions (US & international cities)
  • Live captions for voice messages ([08:39])
• Apps can now be built for the glasses (Developer Preview, including web apps) ([08:47]).

OpenAI Codex: Remote Access on Mobile

(08:59)

• New: Control desktop Codex sessions from the ChatGPT mobile app (iOS, Android).
  • "Codex in the ChatGPT mobile app is a fully featured mobile experience for getting work done with Codex," (OpenAI) ([09:49]).
  • Features include real-time output, approvals, model switching, and project context.
  • Windows support coming soon ([10:42]).

Elon Musk’s XAI Launches Grok Build

(11:00)

• Musk's XAI releases beta of “Grok Build,” a coding agent competing with Anthropic’s Claude.
  • Available to paying subscribers only. Aims to match competitor performance.
  • Musk’s XAI recently lost several engineers, despite partnering with Cursor for AI development ([12:14]).

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3. Weekend Long Read Recommendations

AI in Medicine: Open Evidence

(12:24)

• AI tool “Open Evidence” has gained massive adoption in US healthcare (65% of doctors; 27M encounters in April).
  • “Its growth really has been exponential.” – Dr. Anupam Jenna, Massachusetts General/Harvard ([13:00])
  • Used as an expert consult tool and study aid, though doctors are reminded it is not a replacement for clinical judgment.
  • "It's freely available, it's very functional on your phone, and it's one of those things that can help you answer questions more quickly than you would be able to by any other method.” – Calwells ([14:00])
  • Privacy concerns persist; some institutions restrict sharing personally identifying health information.
  • 80%+ of physicians now use some form of AI ([15:40]).

JanitorAI: The Rise of AI Roleplay Chatbots

(15:56)

• JanitorAI, an AI roleplay/romance chatbot site, boasts 2.5 million daily active users, 70-80% of whom are women.
  • Highly immersive: users spend an average of 78 minutes/day, rivaling TikTok ([16:28]).
  • Founder Jan Zoltkowski: "It's an evolution of the amateur novelist for people who would never have written a book. They can make something way deeper and interactive and a lot quicker." ([17:08])
  • Marketed as entertainment/interactive fiction (akin to HBO for AI), despite significant NSFW content.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Liar is a very powerful word in a courtroom.”
  — Steven Molo, Musk’s attorney ([03:32])

• “If you cannot trust him, if you don't believe him, they cannot win. It's that simple.”
  — Steven Molo ([03:45])

• “Mr. Musk is the one whose testimony is contradicted by every other witness.”
  — Sarah Eddy, OpenAI's attorney ([05:09])

• “Mr. Musk wanted total control. Maybe. Maybe he'd give it up over time, or maybe not. But it was up to him, and that was the problem.”
  — Sarah Eddy ([06:04])

• “Its growth really has been exponential.”
  — Dr. Anupam Jenna, on Open Evidence ([13:00])

• “It's an evolution of the amateur novelist for people who would never have written a book. They can make something way deeper and interactive and a lot quicker.”
  — Jan Zoltkowski, JanitorAI founder ([17:08])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Musk v. Altman Trial: 01:35 – 06:14
• Google Gmail Storage: 06:14 – 07:30
• Meta Ray Ban Glasses: 07:30 – 08:59
• OpenAI Codex on Mobile: 08:59 – 11:00
• XAI Grok Build Launch: 11:00 – 12:24
• AI in Medicine (Open Evidence): 12:24 – 15:56
• JanitorAI/AI Romance Chatbots: 15:56 – 17:26

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a dense, engaging rundown of critical tech stories, centered on the Musk v. Altman trial's tense closing arguments where issues of trust, control, and the future of AI are hotly contested. Also featured: major platform updates from tech giants, and recommended deep dives into AI's rapidly growing role in medicine and interactive storytelling. Listeners get everything they need to stay current—and to fuel their weekend tech conversations.

Transcript

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Welcome to the Tech Brew. Write Home for Friday, May 15, 2026 I'm Brian McCullough. Today the Elon v. Sam trial went to closing arguments. Google is testing cutting free gmail storage to just 5 gigabytes. Meta opens ray ban display to developers. OpenAI brings Codex to mobile and of

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Back over at the Musk v. Altman

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trial, they've had closing arguments wherein Elon Musk's attorneys doubled down on claims that Sam Altman is untrustworthy, while OpenAI's lawyers said Elon Musk has no evidence. So let's check back in there. Quoting the AP One of the jury's

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tasks is to decide if Elon Musk filed his lawsuit in time. Much of the testimony has centered on OpenAI's early years after its founding. But there's a relatively short timeline to allege the claims Musk is making of

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breach of charitable trust and unjust enrichment. OpenAI has argued that Musk waited too long and cannot claim harms that occurred before August 2021.

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The judge wrote in a court filing last month that if the jury finds that Musk failed to file his action within the statute of limitations, it is highly likely likely that she will, quote,

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accept that finding and direct verdict to the defendants. If the jury decides the lawsuit was

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filed in time, it then has to

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decide if OpenAI has a charitable trust that was broken by OpenAI and its executives.

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Musk's other claim means jurors must determine

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whether Sam Altman, Greg Brockman co founder and President and OpenAI unjustly enrich themselves

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at Musk's expense for Microsoft, a co

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defendant in the trial.

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The jury has to decide whether the company aided and abetted that breach. Musk invested $38 million in OpenAI during

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its first years and Microsoft became OpenAI's

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biggest investor after Musk's departure. Altman and Brockman were in the courtroom Thursday while Musk was in China with

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President Donald Trump and other prominent tech executives.

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Musk's attorney, Steven Mollo, told jurors that the Tesla CEO was sorry he could not be here.

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In his closing arguments, Molo doubled down

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on claims of Altman's untrustworthi, pointing to testimony from witnesses who later called the

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OpenAI CEO a quote, liar.

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I confronted Sam Altman with the fact that five witnesses in this trial, all people that he's known for years and worked with, called him a liar under oath.

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Liar is a very powerful word in a courtroom, malo said.

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By the by, those five people were

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Musk and another co founder, Ilya Suskever,

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who was OpenAI's chief scientist, as well

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as OpenAI's former chief technology officer, Mira

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Muradi and two ex board members, Helen Toner and Tasha McCauley. Sam Altman's credibility is directly at issue in this case. He's the defendant's main witness. The defendants absolutely need you to believe Sam Altman. If you cannot trust him, if you don't believe him, they cannot win.

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It's that simple, molo said.

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Because Musk, Altman and Brockman never signed a contract that would show they had

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a charitable trust that OpenAI then broke.

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Musk's side has made the case that jurors should consider emails and other communication

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between them, along with everything from OpenAI's website to to press interviews, as constituting such a trust.

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In a terse exchange. While jurors were out of the room, US District Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers sharply criticized Musk's attorney for suggesting to jurors

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Thursday that Musk wasn't seeking any money in the lawsuit.

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While Musk, before the trial abandoned a bid for damages for himself, he is still seeking an unspecified amount of money

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to be paid to fund the altruistic efforts of OpenAI's charitable arm. Musk is seeking billions of dollars of

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disgorgement, the judge said, ordering Muello to

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either retract his statement or, quote, drop claim for billions of dollars.

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They later agreed that the judge would correct the statement to jurors Sarah Eddy, a lawyer for OpenAI, said it was

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Musk who has misrepresented details surrounding OpenAI's nonprofit founding and his subsequent falling out with the other co founders. QUOTE Mr. Melo says that Sam Altman

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can't be trusted, she said. Mr. Musk is the one whose testimony

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is contradicted by every other witness.

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As OpenAI has argued throughout the trial, Eddy said Musk knew of and supported plans for OpenAI to form a for profit company that would still support its

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mission to benefit humanity.

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QUOTE Mr. Musk he has tried to

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persuade you that his years ago donations to OpenAI came with specific strings attached, that these strings were strong enough to last forever, to tie OpenAI up in

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knots as it tries to pursue its mission, and that These strings gave Mr.

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Musk perpetual rights over OpenAI, Eddie said. But Mr. Musk has come nowhere close to making that case. End quote she brought up testimony that

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Musk had discussed his children inheriting control of OpenAI. He wanted dominion over AGI, she said,

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referring to article artificial general intelligence, a term for advanced AI technology that surpasses humans at many tasks.

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That's why this was such a high stakes conversation. Mr. Musk wanted total control. Maybe. Maybe he'd give it up over time, or maybe not.

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But it was up to him, and that was the problem. End quote.

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Google is confirming rumors of a new storage policy test after some users reported that new Gmail accounts only get 5gb, as opposed to 15 gigabytes of free storage if they don't add a phone number.

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Quoting Android Authority, signing up for Gmail

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accounts Normally gives you 15 gigabytes of free cloud storage.

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That's fairly generous if managed well and

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generally good enough for most people. However, it seems like Google is testing

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offering only 5GB of free storage unless you add a phone number to your account. Users on Reddit reacted with questions about

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free services, with some saying it's a

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new way for Google to collect data from its users.

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However, several users also pointed out that it could be to prevent spam.

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It is unclear whether this is a change that's being rolled out or if Google is running an A B test in certain regions.

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Google hasn't announced any changes, and its support page still mentions that each account

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gets 15 GB of free storage. For now, it seems there's nothing to

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worry about, though Google later confirmed this test in a statement to us while

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giving more detail regarding the feature.

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We're testing a new storage policy for new accounts created in select regions that

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will help us continue to provide a

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high quality storage service to our users while encouraging users to improve their account

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security and data recovery.

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In other words, Google says it's effectively incentivizing new users to add their phone numbers to improve security. Meta has rolled out new features for its Ray Ban display glasses, including neural handwriting support for all users, and is

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opening the device to third party developers. Quoting the Verge, you'll be able to

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use neural handwriting in WhatsApp, Messenger, Instagram and with native Android and iOS messaging.

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Meta says.

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The feature, which relies on the Meta Ray Ban display's included neural wristband, was one of the most impressive features of

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the Meta Ray Ban display when it was first announced. However, it wasn't available at launch, but

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in January Meta launched it in early

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access for WhatsApp and Messenger.

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Meta is bringing a few other upgrades to the Meta Ray Ban display as well. With a feature Meta calls Display Recording, you'll be able to capture a video

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that combines what you're seeing in the

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lens display and what you see in the real world and the audio around you.

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Walking directions are now available throughout the entire US and in major international cities like London, Paris, Rome and more.

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And live captions will be available on

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WhatsApp, Facebook messenger, and with voice messages in Instagram DMs. The company has also opened up the ability to make apps for the Meta

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Ray Ban display in Developer Preview, including

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letting developers deploy web apps to the glasses. End quote.

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OpenAI has added remote access to codecs

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in the ChatGPT mobile app, letting users control codec sessions running on a computer

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directly via iOS, iPados and Android.

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Quoting 9to5Mac while Codex is a standalone

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app on the Mac, OpenAI is putting remote access features inside the ChatGPT mobile app.

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Codex is now in the ChatGPT mobile

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app so you can stay in the loop from anywhere while Codex gets work

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done across your Lapt dev boxes or remote environments. OpenAI announced today OpenAI points to uses

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around approving Codex tasks and starting new prompts for the system from your phone

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while you're away from your computer. As agents take on longer running work,

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a new rhythm for collaboration is emerging. To keep work moving, you need to be able to easily answer a question,

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review what Codex found, change direction, approve what comes next, or add a new idea.

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Codecs in the ChatGPT mobile app is a fully featured mobile experience for getting

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work done with Codex, says the company. When you connect to any of your machines where codecs is running, whether that's your laptop, a dedicated Mac Mini, or a managed remote environment, the app loads

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the live state from that environment so you can work fluidly across active threads,

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approvals, plugins, and project context. OpenAI describes its Codex tools inside ChatGPT's mobile app as more than basic remote controls.

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This is more than the ability to remotely control a single task or dispatch new tasks to your computer from your phone. You can work across all your threads, review outputs, approve commands, change models, or start something new.

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Your files, credentials, permissions, and logic Local

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setup Stay on the machine where codecs

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is operating while updates flow back to your phone in real time, including screenshots,

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terminal output diffs, test results and approvals.

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Codecs.

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Remote Access through the ChatGPT mobile app is available now.

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The latest version of Codecs for Mac and ChatGPT for iOS and Android is required to get started. OpenAI says support for remotely controlling codecs for Windows will follow End quote.

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Well, either Grok might still live or

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else this was in the works and it's just getting pushed out the door because why not? Quoting Bloomberg Elon Musk's XAI is rolling

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out its first artificial intelligence coding agent called Grok Build, in an attempt to catch up to anthropic Claude on streamlining software development.

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The artificial intelligence model, which is in early testing and only available for paying

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subscribers, is the startup's initial push into professional coding.

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The agent can complete complex coding tasks

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following a user's commands, according to a

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post on xai's website.

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Musk and Xai are racing to catch up to other AI companies on coding, a lucrative market for AI and an

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area where the billionaire admits his firm has fallen behind. Michael Nichols, XAI's president and an executive

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at Starlink, has urged staffers at the startup to match Claude's performance across tasks, calling it a near term goal. Last month, XAI linked a deal to partner with AI firm Cursor on coding

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as well as computing resources. Cursor engineers have already been working with the startup in recent weeks, according to

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people familiar with the matter. Still, other key engineers at xai's Palo

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Alto office have recently left, including Devendra Chaplot, a Mistral AI founder who joined

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in March, and Bibin Lai, who has

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led xai's post training team. End quote.

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Time for the weekend. Long read Suggestions first up, apparently one of the biggest adopters of AI thus far has actually been your doctor. Who knew?

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Quoting NBC News over the past two

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years, medical providers across America have quietly embraced a new AI tool called Open Evidence to help them make clinical decisions,

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brush up on medical knowledge and even prepare for their licensing exams.

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The service, a sort of chatbot for doctors was used by about 65% of US doctors across almost 27 million clinical

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encounters in April alone, the company told NBC News.

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Everyone is using it, said Dr. Anupam

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Jenna, an internal medicine physician at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston and a professor of healthcare policy at Harvard. Its growth really has been exponential.

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End quote NBC News spoke with over two dozen doctors, hospital administrators, medical students

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and healthcare researchers from Hawaii to Maine to explore the rise of Open Evidence.

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Each individual said they either used it regularly themselves or knew someone who did.

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Almost two thirds of physicians, roughly 650,000

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doctors in the US actively use open evidence, while another 1.2 million use it

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internationally, Open Evidence representatives said.

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With its quick and tailored replies, Open Evidence has become an AI era equivalent of consulting a colleague for their expert

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opinion, though the software can also write patient discharge notes and provide custom study tools for doctors medical exams.

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Open Evidence is one of those tools that's remarkably easy to adopt, said Calwells,

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who oversees more than 2,500 medical providers in the country's largest rural healthcare system.

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It's freely available, it's very functional on your phone, and it's one of those

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things that can help you answer questions more quickly than you would be able to by any other method.

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Doctors across specialties, states and clinic sizes echoed the sentiment. For example, a junior doctor at a New Hampshire hospital said that when he saw a patient's potassium value plummet, he

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checked Open Evidence to make sure it was a normal side effect of a medication and not a new emergency. After searching through peer reviewed medical publications, Open Evidence said it was a common side effect and provided several options to restore normal potassium levels.

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Open Evidence is clear that its services should be used to supplement, not replace, doctor's judgment. While we hope you find the services useful to you as a healthcare professional,

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its terms of service say they are

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in no way intended to serve as a diagnostic service or platform to provide certainty with respect to a diagnosis, to recommend a particular product or therapy, or to otherwise substitute for the clinical judgment

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of a qualified healthcare professional.

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End quote Open Evidence also says says it complies with hipaa, the federal health privacy law, through a series of privacy protocols and protections. In April of last year, the company said that US Covered entities can securely

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input protected health information in accordance with HIPAA privacy and security standards.

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However, some health systems are not satisfied with the system's overall privacy safeguards. For example, MaineHealth currently asks its doctors

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to refrain from entering PHI into Open Evidence.

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Open Evidence is part of a growing cottage industry of AI powered medical tools,

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from AI scribes that record and transcribe

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doctors speech during patient appointments to Open Evidence competitors like Doximity or Iatrox that

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claim to consolidate and share clinical knowledge. A recent survey by the American Medical

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association found that over 80% of physician respondents currently use some form of AI.

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Nadler and the Open Evidence team aim to expand their services AI note taking, billing and visit integration functions in the coming years. End quote and finally, a look at

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Janitorai, a romantic fantasy roleplay chatbot site run by three people that claims two and a half million daily active users and 15 million total users, with 70 to 80% identifying as female. Quoting Forbes janitor AI is part of a growing number of companies that offer social chatbots that adopt fictional Personas or impersonate real people.

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The category is highly immersive. Users of the top role playing AI apps spend on average 78 minutes a

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day on their mobile apps, according to market intelligence firm Sensor Tower, nearly as long as TikTok. If your mental picture of AI romance

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is awkward guys trying to outsource intimacy,

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Janitor AI's demographic muddles that stereotype. The company estimates between 70 to 80% of its users identify as women. Don't call it porn either, though it's

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certainly explicit and not safe for work. Janitor AI pitches itself as entertainment first and foremost and akin to an HBO for AI or a platform for interactive fiction where the reader also gets to be the writer.

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It's an evolution of the amateur novelist for people who would never have written a book.

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They can make something way deeper and interactive and a lot quicker, says its founder, 26 year old Jan Zoltkowski. End quote.

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No weekend bonus episodes for you this

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weekend, though Chris and I did record one this week. I'm holding it for one more week for reasons I will explain eventually. Talk to you on Monday.

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