Chris sits down with serial entrepreneur Roger Wade, the man behind one of the UK’s original streetwear brands and the creator of the world’s first pop-up mall.

From getting fired three times before the age of 22 to building Box Fresh, launching Box Park, and now reshaping hospitality real estate with Box Kitchen, Roger shares the lessons, mistakes, and mindset that have shaped his journey.

This is a conversation about brand, resilience, physical retail, and why most businesses are solving the wrong problems.

Why getting fired early might be the best thing that ever happens to you
The real reason Box Fresh worked — and why Roger sold too cheap
How a simple idea turned into Box Park, the world’s first pop-up mall
Why food became the hero and retail fell away
The three reasons people go into business — and which one actually matters
Why physical retail still beats online (and it’s not even close)
How Box Kitchen is changing the economics of hospitality development
The truth about raising money and why it’s often overrated
How AI is levelling the playing field for creative entrepreneurs

Early Life & Mindset

Fired from three jobs before 22
Realisation: “If I don’t employ myself, no one else will”
A near-death experience at 16 that shaped his outlook

Building Box Fresh

Started in Greenwich and Camden markets
One of the UK’s original streetwear brands
Learned the hard way: brand is everything

Creating Box Park

Built from shipping containers with no blueprint
Food operators became the unexpected winners
Community-first approach in Shoreditch and Croydon
Scaled to millions of loyal customers via the Black Card

The Business Frameworks

3 reasons to be in business: Ego, Money, Legacy
3 pillars of a brand: Product, Traffic, Delivery

Retail Reality Check

Online conversion: 1–2%
Physical retail: closer to 10%
Why the high street still matters more than people think

Box Kitchen & What’s Next

Modular kitchens, bars, and hospitality infrastructure
Built for developers and operators
Far stronger returns than traditional real estate

Lessons from Failure

The eBay keynote disaster
Why raising money isn’t success
“Profit is sanity, turnover is vanity”

“You make money by seeing something that’s growing and growing with it.”
“Raising loads of money means nothing. You’ve got debt.”
“If you’re not special to your customer, you won’t exist.”
“Profit is sanity, turnover is vanity.”
“I learned my best lessons from my biggest mistakes.”

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