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Episode: On European Digital Sovereignty and Platform Regulation with Marietje Schaake

Date: October 20, 2025
Host: Courtney Radsch (Brookings Institution, Open Markets Institute)
Guest: Marietje Schaake (Stanford Cyber Policy Center, ex-Member of European Parliament)

Episode Overview

This episode explores the pressing question of European digital sovereignty in an era marked by the growing concentration of power in a handful of US-based tech giants. With the US government under the Trump administration actively resisting tech regulation and aligning ever more brazenly with platform interests, Europe faces new urgency to defend democratic norms, regulate Big Tech, and protect its autonomy. The conversation draws on Marietje Schaake’s expertise as a policy leader and author of The Tech Coup: How to Save Democracy from Silicon Valley. Together, host Courtney Radsch and Schaake dissect the unique challenges faced by European democracies, the transformation of platform power, and the evolving meaning of digital sovereignty and free speech.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The "Tech Coup" – Power Shift from States to Platforms ([03:24]–[05:20])

• Main argument of the book:
  Schaake warns that democracies weren't merely left behind in the digital age—they were outmaneuvered by for-profit tech platforms that now govern critical parts of society with little public accountability.

  “I wanted to show that the growing power grab, but also outsourcing to tech companies with, you know, profit incentives is a threat to democracy and that it’s a systemic problem… These are the governors of our time. And I think what's lacking is countervailing powers, independent checks and balances, you know, transparency and accountability.”
  — Marietje Schaake [04:22]

• From privatization to loss of agency:
  The digital revolution saw private companies take on state-like roles, eroding democratic oversight.

2. The US Policy Pivot and Platform-State Alignment ([06:02]–[12:26])

• Trump administration’s stance:
  Schaake details how the US has moved from partial engagement on regulation to outright opposition, with the Trump administration abandoning multilateral approaches and becoming “anti-European” on tech policy.

  “What is new now...is that the US is no longer participating. So where the rest of the world is concerned with safety risks of AI, wants to govern AI, the US is not participating anymore. The Trump administration has a deregulatory agenda, has a very anti-European agenda in which tech regulation is one of the key focal points.”
  — Marietje Schaake [06:45]

• Acceleration and explicit alliances:
  Platforms and CEOs are now openly supportive of the US administration, pushing deregulatory agendas, intervening in politics, and acting as “the vehicle to influence populations, to spread information or to have an impact on elections.”

  • Examples include Elon Musk amplifying far-right voices, X (formerly Twitter) and its chatbot Grok promoting extremist content and being approved for US government use, Facebook aiding state propaganda, and Google/Apple complying with US administration demands ([12:26]–[15:05]).

3. Redefinition of "Digital Sovereignty" ([15:05]–[18:20])

• From authoritarian tool to democratic imperative:
  Whereas digital sovereignty was once suspect, associated with repression, it is now seen as vital for democracies seeking independence from foreign (mainly US) tech control.

  “The idea that the global Internet would just sort of ignore political conflicts, nations, borders, [and] the laws of the land was just… a vision that for a long time had support from the democracies… But right now, speaking from a European perspective, it feels like a huge risk that we are so dependent on US technologies...”
  — Marietje Schaake [16:19]

• Yet, European responses still lack “meat on the bones”; more concrete action is required in policy, procurement, and investment.

4. Europe’s Strategic Dilemma – Paths to Sovereignty ([18:20]–[22:40])

• Market dominance of US tech:
  Platforms control everything from cloud infrastructure to cables and social media. Europe is still largely a customer, not a creator, especially in AI and cloud.

  • Urgent need for action:
    “Europeans, including European taxpayers, through their governments, are subsidizing the success of Silicon Valley, are feeding the monster that's attacking them at the same time. And that it doesn’t add up, it doesn’t make sense… It’s really urgent that this sovereignty gets more meat on the bones.”
    — Marietje Schaake [17:26]

• Hope inspired by Ukraine:
  The EU could take bold, urgent steps, as Ukraine did with drones under existential threat.

  • The dependence of even progressive governments, like the UK's, on US tech is called out ([19:32]–[22:30]).

5. Free Speech, Platform Regulation, and Rhetoric vs. Reality ([22:40]–[25:52])

• Contradictory US messaging:
  While the US administration claims to be pro–free speech, it has engaged in coercive deals with tech and media companies and persecutes critical voices, while simultaneously accusing Europe of censorship.

  “All the statements by this president and his supporters … claiming to be pro free speech while they're picking up students who are writing a critical op ed or they are pushing cable networks to push stand up comedians or ... talk show hosts off the air. Everybody sees that the rhetoric around free speech of this administration and its supporters is a lie.”
  — Marietje Schaake [24:00]

• EU approach to regulation:
  The Digital Services Act (DSA) doesn’t define legal speech but obligates platforms to address already-illegal content and act in systemic crises (e.g., pandemic disinformation).

  “Actually the Digital Services Act doesn’t say what can and cannot be said. It just puts obligations on the platforms to make sure illegal speech that’s already illegal according to the law does not get spread…”
  — Marietje Schaake [24:43]

6. Enforcement: Laws vs. Reality ([25:52]–[28:14])

• Doubts over enforcement:
  Pressure from the US has raised concerns that the EU may falter in implementing its own laws. Instances of internal EU censorship (e.g., Von der Leyen’s intervention against a competition case) undermine trust.

  “You need to have absolute clarity that laws that are adopted will be enforced. Otherwise…the legitimacy of the laws that indeed have come about through the normal democratic process begins to corrode.”
  — Marietje Schaake [27:15]

7. The Role of Competition Authorities & The Need for Radical Choices ([28:14]–[31:25])

• Antitrust as a tool, but enforcement is vital:
  While competition authorities are important, Schaake argues that enforcing the DSA is essential because it directly threatens platforms’ ability to manipulate public debate and elections.

  • The DSA faces uniquely fierce resistance from US platforms.
  • European leaders must accept geopolitical reality and act with urgency similar to Europe’s increased defense spending post-invasion of Ukraine.

  "There's no room for nostalgia. The transatlantic relation as we've known it is done...The same kind of action, boldness is needed for digital sovereignty."
  — Marietje Schaake [30:37]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Digitization often means privatization.” — Marietje Schaake [03:57]
• “These are the governors of our time...what's lacking is countervailing powers, independent checks and balances, transparency and accountability.” — Marietje Schaake [04:22]
• “At the time already we knew that Mark Zuckerberg was essentially the minister of truth, that there is no neutrality in these technologies. There never was—not politically, not economically.” — Marietje Schaake [10:41]
• “Europeans...are subsidizing the success of Silicon Valley, feeding the monster that's attacking them at the same time. That it doesn't add up, it doesn't make sense.” — Marietje Schaake [17:26]
• “Everybody sees that the rhetoric around free speech of this administration and its supporters is a lie.” — Marietje Schaake [24:00]
• “The Digital Services Act doesn’t say what can and cannot be said. It just puts obligations on the platforms to make sure illegal speech...does not get spread.” — Marietje Schaake [24:43]
• “There’s no room for nostalgia. The transatlantic relation as we’ve known it is done.” — Marietje Schaake [30:37]

Important Timestamps

• [03:24] The thesis of "The Tech Coup" explained
• [06:02] US policy shift, explicit tech-state alignment
• [12:26] Recent examples of platform manipulation in elections and public discourse
• [15:05] The shifting meaning of “digital sovereignty”
• [18:20] Market obstacles to European independence
• [22:40] Focus on free speech tensions and regulatory impact
• [25:52] Concerns about EU law enforcement
• [28:14] The role of antitrust and urgency for radical policy change

Conclusion

This episode delivers a sobering but action-focused discussion on the precarious state of European digital sovereignty and the urgent need for Europe to enforce its democratically enacted laws, curb platform power, and develop true technological independence. Marietje Schaake’s insights provide both a diagnosis of the systemic failures that led to today’s crisis, and a roadmap for bold European action amid mounting US antagonism and platform overreach. It’s essential listening for anyone concerned with the future of democracy and technology.

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