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Episode: How competition is stifling AI breakthroughs | Llion Jones

Date: February 11, 2026
Speaker: Llion Jones (Transformer co-author)
Host: Elise Hu
Recorded at: TED AI San Francisco 2025

Main Theme

Llion Jones, co-creator of the Transformer architecture (the "T" in ChatGPT), argues that intense competition and pressure for incremental progress are limiting true innovation in artificial intelligence. He urges researchers, companies, and investors to foster more open, creativity-driven environments where bold advances—like the Transformer itself—can emerge.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Creative Roots of the Transformer

• Jones recalls the "organic, bottom-up" origins of Transformers:
  "The idea came from talking over lunch or scribbling randomly on the whiteboards in the office... Importantly, we had the freedom to spend the time and work on it, with no pressure coming down from management." (04:04)
• He emphasizes that freedom and openness were critical:
  "That is the kind of environment that allowed the Transformer to come into existence." (05:09)

2. Paradox: Competition and Narrowing of AI Research

• Despite record interest, investment, and talent, Jones believes the field is now more constrained: "The immense amount of pressure that comes with that—pressure from investors...pressure that comes from individuals...it's very difficult to stand out." (06:08)
• Risks of today's environment:
  • Researchers must assume others are pursuing identical ideas.
  • Fear of being "scooped" leads to rushing rather than refining ideas.
  • Even in academia, the pressure to publish leads to pursuing "low-hanging fruit." (07:23)
  • "This pressure damages the science because people are rushing out papers and it's reducing the amount of creativity that we have." (07:57)

3. The Exploration–Exploitation Tradeoff (AI Analogy)

• Jones uses an AI search algorithm analogy:
  • Exploration: Searching widely for new ideas.
  • Exploitation: Focusing on optimizing current successful approaches. "If you spend your time just exploiting, then you might lose out on finding other alternative solutions... We are almost certainly in that situation right now in the AI industry." (09:16)

Call to action:
"All I really want to ask you today is to consider just changing that balance a little bit, just turning up the dial and exploring more." (09:55)

4. Lessons from Deep Learning History

• Jones recalls the pre-Transformer era:
  "A lot of papers were permutating the current architecture...just endlessly trying different things, mostly for incremental gains." (10:14)
• After Transformer’s release, prior incremental work on RNNs seemed obsolete:
  "How much time do you think those researchers would have spent...if they knew something like Transformers was around the corner?" (10:46)
• He expresses concern that we are repeating this cycle with Transformers today.

5. Concrete Suggestions for Changing Course

• Championing "nature-inspired" research:
  • "There are still things the human brain can do that current state of the art AI can't do. Maybe if we take some inspiration from nature, we can get some of those properties." (12:10)
• Pursue uniquely personal research interests:
  • "You should only do research that wouldn't happen if you weren't working on it." —attributed to Brian Chung (12:43)
• Jones illustrates with an example, the "Continuous Thought Machine" project—supported initially for a week, leading to a spotlight at NeurIPS and a "hunger for new and differentiated research."
  • "We could take our time to do the science properly and run the benchmarks we wanted...That's the kind of research we should be doing." (13:55)

6. Benefits of a High-Autonomy Environment

• Jones asserts talent is drawn to freedom and creative opportunity:
  "Talented, intelligent people, ambitious people will naturally seek out this kind of environment with high autonomy. And...it works better than just money." (15:28)
  • He notes that even high-pay environments may stifle bold, speculative work due to external pressure.

7. Dangerous Success: Are Transformers "Too Good"?

• "Transformers are too good...the current technology is so powerful and flexible that it stopped us from looking for better." (16:36)
• He clarifies:
  • Not dismissing ongoing research on Transformers—still valuable.
  • But the field must invest more in exploring radically new ideas.

8. Personal Commitment to Exploration

• "I personally made a decision at the beginning of this year that I'm going to drastically reduce the amount of time that I spend on Transformers. I'm explicitly now exploring and looking for the next thing." (17:30)

9. Broad Call to Action for the AI Community

• Jones addresses all stakeholders:
  • Researchers: "Are you bold enough to spend more time on the ideas that you think are important and interesting?"
  • Managers: "Are you bold enough to give the researchers some more freedom to pursue these ideas?"
  • Business Leaders: "Are you bold enough to create businesses that create these kind of environments...?"
  • Investors: "Are you bold enough to invest in these kind of businesses?" (17:45)

10. Reframing Competition as Shared Progress

• "From my perspective, this is not a competition. We all have the same goal... If we can all collectively turn up the explore dial and then openly share what we find, we can get to our goal much faster." (18:00)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the environment that birthed the Transformer:
  "An organic, open ended and with a lot of freedom to pursue the ideas that we thought were interesting and important." (05:09)

• On the current pressure in the field:
  "Unfortunately, this pressure damages the science because people are rushing out papers and it's reducing the amount of creativity that we have." (07:57)

• Brian Chung’s Rule:
  "You should only do research that wouldn't happen if you weren't working on it." (12:43)

• On autonomy attracting top talent:
  "Some of our best hires recently have been explicitly because of this reason. And by the way, it works better than just money." (15:28)

• On being "sick of Transformers":
  "It might sound a little controversial, maybe to hear one of the Transformers authors stand on stage and tell you that he’s absolutely sick of them, but it’s kind of fair enough, right? I’ve been working on them longer than anyone, with the possible exception of seven other people." (17:36)

• Parting message:
  "If we can all collectively turn up the explore dial and then openly share what we find, we can get to our goal much faster." (18:00)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:48] — Origins of the Transformer and the “bottom-up” research environment
• [06:08] — Paradox of increased investment narrowing research focus
• [07:57] — Impact of competition and pressure on creativity
• [09:16] — Exploration vs. exploitation explained
• [10:14] — Historical context: RNNs before Transformers
• [12:10] — Nature-inspired AI and investing in differentiation
• [13:41] — "Continuous Thought Machine" and the value of patient research
• [15:28] — Autonomy as “better than money” for attracting talent
• [16:36] — Transformers’ dominance possibly stifling new breakthroughs
• [17:30] — Jones’ own exploratory shift and challenge to the field
• [18:00] — Final appeal for collective exploration and open progress

Summary Flow and Takeaway

Llion Jones delivers a direct, reflective, and at times wry critique of today’s fast-moving AI landscape. Drawing on his own experience developing the Transformer—with little oversight or outside pressure—he warns that the industry’s obsession with competition and optimization is driving researchers to prioritize minor advances over bold, risky exploration. Jones calls for a course correction: cultivating environments and investments that reward slow, open-ended curiosity, celebrate autonomy, and welcome unproven ideas. He challenges researchers, leaders, and funders to be bold enough to break out of the relentless pursuit of minor improvements and aim for the next seismic leap in AI.