How labor unions shape society | Margaret Levi (re-release)

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Podcast: TED Talks Daily
Episode: How labor unions shape society | Margaret Levi (re-release)
Host: Elise Hu
Speaker: Margaret Levi
Air Date: September 1, 2025
Original Talk: TEDxSeattle 2021

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This episode centers on the transformative power of labor unions in shaping modern society. Political economist Margaret Levi discusses the historical and ongoing importance of unions in promoting equality, supporting middle-class growth, advancing worker rights, and improving democracy. Levi asserts that while unions were responsible for landmark social progress, a declining and outdated labor movement now needs urgent reinvention to meet the challenges of today’s workplace and economy.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Unions’ Legacy and Their Benefits to All

• Unions’ Influence on Modern Life:

  • Even people who aren’t union members benefit from union achievements (weekends, Social Security, health insurance).
  • Unions historically built the American middle class and facilitated upward mobility.

• Historical Shift:

  • In the 1950s, 33% of private sector workers were unionized; today, only about 6% are.

• Consequences of Decline:

  • The weakening of unions led to growing economic inequality and diminished chances for upward mobility.

  “Few of you probably belong to unions, but almost all of you benefit from them. It was unions that brought us the weekend... Unions built the middle class..."
  — Margaret Levi (02:24)

2. Countervailing Power and Democracy

• Balancing Corporate Power:
  • Unions serve as a vital counterweight to corporations, creating a more level economic and political playing field.
• Unions and Social Contracts:
  • Strong unions contribute to healthier democracies and better social contracts between citizens and government.

3. Transformative Impacts: Historical Context

• Pre-Union Conditions:

  • Levi recounts horrific working conditions pre-unions: child labor, sweatshops, unsafe environments.
  • Unions transformed lives, turning exploited laborers into empowered citizens with dignity and benefits.

• Case Example:

  • Longshore workers’ transition from “wharf rats” to “lords of the dock” via union organization.

• Reducing Disparities:

  • Unions helped close wage gaps across genders and races.

  "They had dignity, respect. They were full American citizens. Unions enabled others to attain the American dream..."
  — Margaret Levi (04:19)

4. Innovation and Adaptation in Union Movements

• Evolution with the Economy:
  • Unions have continually adapted with each economic shift: from craft guilds to industrial unions to professional and white-collar unions.
• Cultural Influence:
  • Mention of the song “9 to 5,” inspired by the real-life union, as a cultural touchstone for the gains unions have offered.

5. Barriers to Union Growth and Effectiveness

• Political and Corporate Resistance:

  • Modern laws and employer tactics (anti-union consulting, “right to work” laws) actively suppress union organizing, particularly targeting marginalized groups and gig workers.

• “Right to Work” Consequences:

  • States with such laws experience slower economic growth, higher debt, lower wages, etc.

• Union Flaws:

  • Internal corruption, bureaucracy, and leadership abuses have eroded public trust.
  • Recent cases of union leaders’ corruption cited, e.g., United Autoworkers embezzlement.

  “Some union leaders are corrupt, rigging elections, paying themselves humongous salaries even when they represent very low income workers. And some commit felonies.”
  — Margaret Levi (09:45)

6. Public Perceptions and Misinformation

• Declining Public Awareness:
  • A lack of understanding and misinformation about unions’ value contributes to their decline.
• Employers’ Tactics Evolved:
  • Instead of physical suppression, today’s opposition is legislative and consultative, seeking to limit union power through legal hurdles.

7. The Path Forward — Reimagining Unions

• Solidarity Across Divides:

  • Modern labor movements are organizing across racial, ethnic, and partisan lines, echoing Martin Luther King’s call for a “single garment of destiny.”

• New Models and “Alt-Unions”:

  • Workers in the gig economy and tech sector often seek new forms of collective action (not traditional unions).
  • Worker Cooperatives:
    • Example: Mondragon, a federation of cooperatives in Spain with 80,000+ employee owners and a $13 billion annual revenue.
  • Digital Platforms:
    • coworker.org, UNIT: Online tools to organize workers in a dispersed, gig-based workforce.
    • Example: Alphabet (Google) workers using these platforms to advocate both economic and political demands (e.g., company contracts, policies).

  “They have normal run of the mill economic union demands, but they also have the political demand that they should have a say over company policies that affect them and us.”
  — Margaret Levi (16:37)

8. A Call to Action

• Unions Remain Essential:

  • Strong, reinvented unions can close inequality gaps and strengthen democracies.

• Optimism for Worker Empowerment:

  • As workers develop innovative forms of solidarity and organization, there is potential for renewed middle-class stability and fairer societies.

  “Unions once significantly reduced income inequality, the gap between the rich and the poor. They can again.”
  — Margaret Levi (17:31)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Lack of Union Membership and Widespread Benefits:
  “It’s easy to imagine a world without labor unions. We’re essentially living in that world now, and we are worse off as a result.” (02:24)

• On Wage Gaps:
  “Unions enabled others to attain the American dream by raising wages generally and by reducing wage disparities between men and women and among the races.” (05:10)

• On Corruption:
  “Some union leaders are corrupt... even when they represent very low income workers. And some commit felonies. Jimmy Hoffa is the notorious example.” (09:45)

• On Worker Solidarity:
  “Martin Luther King exhorted us to enwrap ourselves in a single garment of destiny... large numbers of others recognize that their destinies are entwined despite differences and distances.” (13:44)

• On New Forms of Organizing:
  “Workers in gig professions don’t necessarily want a traditional union, but they do want influence over their wages, working conditions and even the policies of their companies.” (15:41)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:24 | Why unions matter—even for non-members; historical decline | | 05:10 | Unions' role in reducing wage disparities and building the middle class | | 07:40 | Evolution of union forms with economic changes | | 09:45 | Structural barriers to union organizing; employer and politician opposition; union corruption | | 12:28 | The impact of "right to work" laws; diminished union effectiveness | | 13:44 | Building new solidarity; MLK’s influence and communities of fate | | 15:41 | The need for alternative (alt) unions and examples of modern organizing| | 16:37 | Digital platforms and tech worker activism at Google/Alphabet | | 17:31 | Closing argument: Unions’ transformative potential for the future |

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Conclusion

Margaret Levi’s talk is a concise yet passionate plea for understanding labor unions’ profound impact on society — and a reminder that their work is far from finished. She suggests that modern workers must revitalize and reimagine collective action to meet today’s challenges, whether through traditional union models or innovative new approaches. Her call is unambiguous: a just, equitable future relies on worker voice and solidarity, whatever form it may take.

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[Margaret Levy]

It's easy to imagine a world without labor unions. We're essentially living in that world now, and we are worse off as a result. Few of you probably belong to unions, but almost all of you benefit from them. It was unions that brought us the weekend. More importantly, unions built the middle class by ensuring that workers had the incomes to support families, to buy homes and cars, and to dream that their children could do better than they could. It was union power and advocacy that helped us win Social Security and health insurance, upon which almost all of us depend. In the 1950s, 33% of private sector workers belonged to unions. Big labor stood proudly beside big business and big government. No more. Today, only 6% of private sector workers are members of unions. With their decline in numbers came a decline in political and economic power. And the result? A significant increase in inequality, a significant deterioration in the possibility of a middle life, a middle class lifestyle for this generation or the next, and a receding chance to own a home or afford retirement. We need unions to regain the power so that we can regain what we have lost, build a better future, and help forge democracies that are built on a decent social contract between citizens and government and among citizens themselves. Yes, we need unions today as much as ever. As a professor of political science and someone who has studied labor unions for a long time, I can tell you that one of the most important things that unions do is to counterbalance the power of corporations. They even the playing field. Yes, we need unions, but we need better and different unions that are more attuned to the 21st century. Let's picture the world before unions. Small children toiling all day and even into the night in noisy, polluted factories, or immigrant women workers jumping from a burning sweatshop because the fire escapes were locked so that they could not take breaks. But unions changed that. By winning protections for workers, they transformed lives. They enabled even the worst off to achieve the American dream. Consider the longshore workers, those who load and unload ships. In the morning, the boss came and yelled all along the shore, Thus the name longshore. They pleaded for the scarce jobs, just as migrant day laborers do today at places like Lowe's and Home Depot. It was humiliating, degrading. But when the unions won the right to organize and won contracts, the wharf rats became lords of the dock. They became middle class. They could marry, they could support families. They could send their children to college. They had health insurance and benefits. They had dignity, respect. They were full American citizens. Unions enabled others to attain the American dream by raising wages generally and by reducing wage disparities between men and women and among the races. My research has shown me that with every transformation in the economy, the technology, the way we work, there has been an evolution in the labor movement. Craft unions think construction work or even beer making emerged from medieval guilds. With the rise of industry, auto, steel, new forms of organization emerged. When white collar workers in offices, in government, in health care, in professions began to want voice and representation. Yet another kind of union developed in my mind. In my ears is Dolly Parton singing 9:2:5 inspired by a real life union of that name. When you hear that song thank the unions for a decent working day. History shows that unions helped people get dignity, rise out of poverty, inhibit workplace dangers and harassment, and improve health and well being of us all. These are not yesterday's problems. Workers of today still need and want unions. An MIT survey revealed that 50% of the non union workforce would join a union if given a chance. So Margaret, if unions are so great, why are they in such serious decline? Because the odds are stacked against them. Many of you have read about the Amazon warehouse workers who failed to win a union representation election in Alabama. They failed because of concerted employer opposition. Indeed, there are many employers and politicians who are preventing the reform of labor laws passed nearly a century ago in another era and another economy. These are laws that inhibit labor, agriculture and domestic workers from organizing largely black and brown workers. They make it hard for workers in the gig economy to organize those we call forth with our apps, rideshare, delivery service, specialized tasks. There are employers and politicians who are pushing states to pass right to work laws. Laws that abolish the requirement that those who are covered by union contracts have to pay union dues. This effectively kills the unions. Many workers in 27 states do not have to pay for the benefits the unions provide for them. States that include Michigan, Indiana and Wisconsin, former union strongholds. And society loses big. A recent study revealed that in right to work law states there is slower economic growth, higher consumer debt, lower wages, worse health outcomes and lower civic participation than in states without such laws on the books. But it's not just employers and politicians that are holding unions back. Unions are a cause of some of their own problems. Some unions are extremely bureaucratic, stifling debate and innovation. Some union leaders are corrupt, rigging elections, paying themselves humongous salaries even when they represent very low income workers. And some commit felonies. Jimmy Hoffa is the notorious example of a labor leader who went to prison. But just this year, several high ranking officials in the United Autoworkers were sentenced for embezzlement. Now many critics, possibly some of you, blame unions for inflation. When wages go up, consumer prices go up. True enough, but so does the standard of living for workers. And we as taxpayers benefit from higher standards of living by workers. The pandemic gave us the term essential workers. If those in grocery warehousing, food processing, delivery had strong unions, indeed any unions at all, there would have been no need for federal programs for those who have jobs to feed their families and prevent evictions. Now, there are many reasons for union decline, including structural ones. The decline in union jobs in manufacturing. But a major reason is public lack of awareness, even misinformation about the value of unions. Well before President Reagan fired the striking air controllers in 1981, there has been concerted and continuous opposition by employers and politicians to undermine unions. Employers no longer suppress unions by hiring private armies like US Steel, Ford and the coal companies did. Now they hire very high priced consulting firms to do that work. Elected officials may no longer call out the police and the National Guard to cart labor organizers off to jail. Now they pass legislation that restricts union organizing and power. But workers are beginning to fight back. As the headlines reveal, they are building solidarity across racial, ethnic, religious, partisan divides. Martin Luther King exhorted us to enwrap ourselves in a single garment of destiny. I have observed several unions that I've studied build expanded and inclusive communities of fate in which large numbers of others recognize that their destinies are entwined despite differences and distances. This doesn't always happen, but it can and it must. We need as employees and citizens to build solidarity through communities of fate that crosses geographies and differences. But to do that, we need to reimagine labor unions. For now, the labor movement must evolve as it has in the past, even producing possibly alt unions. Alternatives to Unions Alternatives to Traditional unions Workers in gig professions tech don't necessarily want a traditional union, but they do want influence over their wages, working conditions and even the policies of their companies. And they are reimagining old approaches and coming up with new ones in order to build worker voice and power. Some are reconfiguring worker cooperatives, employee owned businesses in which the workers determine wages, working conditions and distribution of profits. This is not a pipe dream. Mondragon in Spain has over 80,000 employee owners, takes in over $13 billion a year and redistributes its profits to build worker skills and capacities among its member cooperatives. A newer approach is to use platform technologies to teach workers their rights in our global, hyper connected and socially isolating world. Platforms such as coworker.org or unit recognize and address the fact that there is a mobile workforce that no longer has water coolers or lunchrooms around which to gather and strategize. These platforms provide workers with a way to share experiences, access organizing resources, and build networks at scale across geographies and employers. Coworker.org had a huge win with Alphabet, the parent company of Google, a giant among tech firms. Alphabet workers recognize that they are part of a community of fate that crosses large distances. They have been protesting Google's contracts with the Pentagon and with immigration authorities. They have normal run of the mill economic union demands, but they also have the political demand that they should have a say over company policies that affect them and us now. Whatever you thought of unions in the past, I hope, I hope that these examples have revealed to you what they can be today and for tomorrow. Unions once significantly reduced income inequality, the gap between the rich and the poor. They can again. Billionaires are building rockets to explore outer space. This is so exciting. But equally exciting are the workers who are providing the goods and services on which those billionaires we all depend, exploring new ways to gain power and voice. If even some of these explorations succeed, workers will gain dignity, economic security and the power to challenge employers and politicians. The result? The resuscitation of the middle class and a far more equitable society. Thank you.

[Elise Hu]

That was Margaret levy speaking at TEDxSeattle in 2021. This talk was originally published in May May 2022. If you're curious about TED's curation, find out [e-mail] curationguidelines and that's it for today. TED Talks Daily is part of the TED Audio Collective. This talk was fact checked by the TED Research team and produced and edited by our team, Martha Estefanos, Oliver Friedman, Brian Greene, Lucy Little and Tansika Songmanivong. This episode was mixed by Christopher Faizy Bogan. Additional support from Emma Tobner and Daniela Balarazo. I'm Elise Hu. I'll be back tomorrow with a fresh idea for Feed. Thanks for listening.

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