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You're listening to TED Talks Daily where we bring you new ideas to spark your curiosity every day. I'm your host, Elise Hu. You have probably gotten the question, what do you do at some point in your life, if not frequently? And even assuming that what we do is our jobs underscores today's speaker's point. We tend to overly conflate our self worth and meaning with our jobs and work. Life expert Simone Stolzoff challenges that norm and shows us how to diversify our sources of meaning for a more creative and resilient life.
Simone Stolzoff
I once met this Chilean guy at a hostel. So what do you do? I asked him. You mean for work? He responded as if I had just asked the color of his underwear. In the US what do you do? Is often the first question we ask when we meet someone new. This is drilled into us from an early age. What do you want to be when you grow up? We ask our kids, already conflating who we are with what we do, as if our jobs and identities were one and the same. I think about this a lot. I'm a labor journalist and I wrote a book called the Good Enough Job, in which I spoke to over 100 people about the relationship between their work and their identity. But before I was a professional writer, I was a 22 year old poetry student trying to figure out what I wanted to be when I grew up. It was around this time that I had the opportunity to interview my favorite writer in the entire world, the poet Aneese Mojgani. And so I asked him, aneese, how do you feel about the mantra do what you love and never work a day in your life? And I'll never forget what he told me. He said, you know, Simone, I think some people do what they love for work and others do what they have to so they can do what they love when they're not working. And neither is more noble. I think that last part is key. We live in a society that loves to revere people whose jobs and identities neatly align. And here was my idol, a professional poet no less, telling me that it's OK to have a day job if we want to develop a healthier relationship to work. We can't just think about work life balance in terms of how we spend our time. We have to think about how we construct our identity. What we do is part of, but not the entirety of who we are. Let me be clear. I don't think there's anything wrong with doing what you love for work. We work more than we do just about anything else. And how we spend those hours matters. And yet our current relationship to work isn't quite working. A recent study found that 48% of workers around the globe are burnt out. 48%. That's half this room. Actually, in this room, probably more than half. And yet the way that we commonly talk about burnout doesn't address its root cause. There's a reason why a one week vacation doesn't magically cure us. There's a reason why our intentions to practice self care and set better boundaries inevitably break down. It's like we're shielding ourselves from the sun with a cocktail umbrella. If we want to actually change our relationship to work, we have to go deeper. It starts with our identity. Certainly we are all more than just workers, where parents and friends and citizens and artists and travelers and neighbors. Much like an investor benefits from diversifying the sources of stocks in their portfolio, we too benefit from diversifying the sources of meaning and identity in our lives. But how do you actually go about doing so? Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel describes Shabbat, the weekly Jewish practice of abstaining from work, as a sanctuary in time. I love this image. Rather than a physical sanctuary like a synagogue, Shabbat is a time sanctuary. So the first step to diversifying your identity is to create those time sanctuaries spaces in your days, in your weeks, in your life where work is not an option. Unlike mere intentions to work less or set better boundaries, time sanctuaries require infrastructure. Putting time on the calendar to learn a new language, putting your phone in airplane mode while you play with your kids so that work doesn't expand like a gas and fill all of your unoccupied space. The second step is to fill those time sanctuaries with activities that reinforce the other identities you hope to the present father, the community gardener, the amateur musician. It may sound simple, but if we want to derive meaning from aspects of our life other than work, we have to do things other than work. Now. These don't have to be grand gestures. In the reporting of my book, I spoke to all of these hyper ambitious workaholics and they'd say things like diversify my identity. Got it. I'm going to read 52 books this year or I'm going to run an ultra marathon. We even convert our leisure into other forms of labor. My advice is to start small. How about a weekly walk with your best friend? Or 10 minutes practicing the piano after dinner? The third step is to reinforce these identities by joining communities who couldn't care less about what you do for work. For example, I love to play pick up basketball, and one of the benefits of my weekly game is that the people I play with don't care how many words I've written or how many books I've sold. They care that I show up on time and that I'm a good teammate. It's a weekly reminder that I exist on this earth to do more than just produce economic value. The irony is that diversifying our identity can be great for business too. Research shows that people with varied interests tend to be more creative problem solvers and more innovative. Hobbies are one of the best ways to recharge so that you can be more productive when you're back on the clock. And a diverse identity can come in handy in the face of a stressful event like a recession or a layoff. I spoke to all of these folks from my book who treated their work like their family and then were unceremoniously let go during the pandemic. If you are what you do and you lose your job, who are you? But in addition to the business case, there's also the moral case. If we want to develop more well rounded versions of ourselves, if we want to build robust relationships and live in robust communities and have a robust society at large, we, we all must invest in aspects of our lives beyond work. We shouldn't just work less because it makes us better workers. We should work less because it makes us better people. This isn't just about you and me. This is about teaching our kids that their self worth is not determined by their job title. This is about reinforcing the fact that that not all noble work neatly translates to a line on a resume. This is about setting the example that we all have a responsibility to contribute to the world in a way beyond contributing to one organization's bottom line. So the next time you're at a party, instead of asking someone what do you do? I encourage you to add two small words to your question. Instead, ask them, what do you like to do? Maybe you like to cook, maybe you like to write, Maybe you do some of those things for work, or maybe you don't. But what do you like to do? Is a question that allows each of us to define ourselves on our own terms. Thank you.
Elise Hu
That was Simone Stolzoff speaking at TED Next 2024. If you're curious about TED's curation, find out more@ted.com curationguidelines and that's it for today. TED Talks Daily is part of the TED Audio Collective. This episode was produced and edited by our team, Martha Estefanos, Oliver Friedman, Brian Greene, Autumn Thompson and Alejandra Salazar. It was mixed by Christopher Faz Bogan. Additional support from Emma Toner and Daniela Balaro. I'm Elise Hu. I'll be back tomorrow with a fresh idea for your feet. Thanks for listening.
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TED Talks Daily: How to Reclaim Your Life from Work | Simone Stolzoff
In the January 2, 2025 episode of TED Talks Daily, host Elise Hu introduces Simone Stolzoff, a labor journalist and author of The Good Enough Job. Stolzoff delves into the pervasive issue of equating personal identity with professional roles and offers actionable strategies to cultivate a more balanced and resilient life. This comprehensive summary captures the essence of Stolzoff's insightful presentation, highlighting key discussions, notable quotes, and practical conclusions.
Over-Identifying with Work
Stolzoff opens by addressing a common societal norm: the tendency to define oneself primarily through one's job. She recounts a childhood experience where her father's enthusiastic yet jargon-filled explanation of B2B marketing left her peers perplexed, illustrating the disconnect between professional identity and personal understanding.
[02:36] Simone Stolzoff: “In the US, 'what do you do?' is often the first question we ask when we meet someone new. This is drilled into us from an early age. What do you want to be when you grow up?”
Burnout Statistics
Highlighting the severity of the issue, Stolzoff cites a recent study revealing that 48% of workers globally experience burnout, emphasizing that temporary fixes like vacations fail to address the root causes.
[04:10] Simone Stolzoff: “There's a reason a one-week vacation doesn't magically cure us. There's a reason why our intentions to practice self-care and set better boundaries inevitably break down.”
Interview with Aneese Mojgani
Stolzoff shares a pivotal moment from her early career when interviewing poet Aneese Mojgani challenged her perspective on work and passion. Mojgani's advice reshaped Stolzoff's understanding of balancing work and personal interests.
[02:56] Simone Stolzoff: “He said, 'some people do what they love for work and others do what they have to so they can do what they love when they're not working. And neither is more noble.'”
Conflating Identity with Profession
She reflects on her own evolution from a poetry student to a labor journalist, recognizing how deeply ingrained the notion is that professional roles define personal worth and identity.
The Necessity of Multiple Identities
Stolzoff argues that relying solely on work for self-worth is unsustainable. Drawing an analogy to financial investment, she suggests that just as a diversified portfolio reduces risk, a diversified personal identity fosters resilience and creativity.
[05:15] Simone Stolzoff: “Much like an investor benefits from diversifying the sources of stocks in their portfolio, we too benefit from diversifying the sources of meaning and identity in our lives.”
Step 1: Creating Time Sanctuaries
Inspired by Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel's concept of Shabbat, Stolzoff advocates for establishing dedicated times where work is intentionally excluded. These "time sanctuaries" serve as boundaries to protect personal time from professional encroachment.
[05:45] Simone Stolzoff: “Time sanctuaries require infrastructure. Putting time on the calendar to learn a new language, putting your phone in airplane mode while you play with your kids...”
Step 2: Engaging in Diverse Activities
She emphasizes the importance of filling time sanctuaries with activities that reinforce non-work identities. Whether it's a hobby, sport, or creative pursuit, engaging in diverse interests enriches personal fulfillment.
[06:30] Simone Stolzoff: “How about a weekly walk with your best friend? Or 10 minutes practicing the piano after dinner.”
Step 3: Building Supportive Communities
Joining communities that value contributions beyond professional achievements reinforces these alternative identities. Stolzoff shares her experience with pick-up basketball, where the focus shifts from economic value to personal connection and teamwork.
[07:20] Simone Stolzoff: “They care that I show up on time and that I'm a good teammate. It's a weekly reminder that I exist on this earth to do more than just produce economic value.”
Enhanced Creativity and Productivity
Stolzoff presents research indicating that individuals with varied interests tend to be more creative and innovative, contributing positively to their professional lives by bringing fresh perspectives and problem-solving skills.
Resilience Against Economic Fluctuations
A multifaceted identity offers a safety net during economic downturns. Stolzoff recounts stories from her book where individuals who viewed themselves beyond their jobs navigated layoffs and recessions with greater ease and self-understanding.
[08:15] Simone Stolzoff: “If you are what you do and you lose your job, who are you?”
Moral Imperative for Personal Growth and Society
Beyond personal benefits, Stolzoff argues that diversifying identities fosters stronger relationships, more vibrant communities, and a healthier society. It teaches future generations that self-worth is not tied to job titles and that meaningful contributions extend beyond economic metrics.
[09:30] Simone Stolzoff: “We should work less because it makes us better people. This isn't just about you and me. This is about teaching our kids that their self-worth is not determined by their job title.”
Redefining Conversations
Stolzoff encourages a shift in social interactions by altering the common icebreaker question. Instead of asking, "What do you do?" she suggests asking, "What do you like to do?" This small change empowers individuals to define themselves beyond their professional roles.
[10:20] Simone Stolzoff: “Ask them, 'What do you like to do?' Maybe you like to cook, maybe you like to write. But 'What do you like to do?' allows each of us to define ourselves on our own terms.”
Final Thoughts
Stolzoff concludes by emphasizing the collective responsibility to cultivate well-rounded identities, contributing to both personal well-being and societal health.
Simone Stolzoff's talk serves as a compelling reminder to prioritize personal growth and diverse interests, advocating for a balanced approach to work and life that enriches both individual and collective well-being.
Produced by: Martha Estefanos, Oliver Friedman, Brian Greene, Autumn Thompson, and Alejandra Salazar.
Mixed by: Christopher Faz Bogan.
Additional Support: Emma Toner and Daniela Balaro.
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