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Elise Hu
You're listening to TED Talks Daily, where we bring you new ideas to spark your curiosity every day. I'm your host, Elise Hu. How do we celebrate progress and innovation while also acknowledging the fear of losing one's job to say AI? In this talk, journalist Megan J. McArdle explores this question, sharing her deep anxiety around AI threatening her career as a writer while at as a libertarian, also wrestling with her belief in progress and the potential of new technologies. That's coming up.
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Well, I gather I'm not the only one who spends a lot of time thinking about AI these days. And by think, I mean panic. I'm not even worried about the doomsday scenarios because I have no way to assess those. I just think about what's going to happen to jobs. Because even if we solve the AI safety problem, it's still going to displace a lot of workers. Maybe including me. 20 years ago, I decided to take my very expensive MBA and use it to become a journalist. That decision did not have what we MBAs like to call a positive expected cash flow. When I was interviewing for a job at the Economist, one of the interviewers actually just asked me, why are you doing this? I told him, I only have so much time on this planet and I want to spend it doing something that matters. And also, by the way, something I really, really, really love to do. I got lucky and it worked out. Today I'm a columnist at the Washington Post, but every day AI seems to get better and better at writing competent prose, and I don't know what I'm supposed to do if typing words in a row stops being a semi profitable occupation. Now I'm a libertarian columnist, which means I believe in progress and creative destruction. But here's something I also the Luddites had a point. Look, you don't normally hear libertarians praising Luddites, so let me explain. Today, Luddite's a broad spectrum term for technophobes, but the real Luddites weren't your mom using a landline instead of a cell phone or sending you Hallmark cards with little words underlined. They were skilled artisans who made handcrafted textiles in an era when everyone wore lovingly handcrafted textiles. Then mechanized mill owners started underpricing them using some of the most cutting edge technology of their day, like spinning jennies that could spin thread at record speeds. So they decided to destroy the machines. Honestly, I have some sympathy. In fact, every time one of these companies issues a new model, I get more sympathetic. We libertarians like to talk about the glories of freedom and progress. And they are glorious, but they are not free. Sometimes people get hurt. Often lots of people. The printing press democratized knowledge and also witch burnings and wars of religion. The industrial revolution raised living standards and offset them with grim factory jobs, squalid urban living conditions and choking pollution. Now, modern governments can allay many of those costs, but they can't give people back the life they had. And we have an obligation to count those costs. I mean, if only because no one was ever persuaded by being told, your fears are stupid. So here's why. Even after a full accounting, I think we should be willing to bear those costs and let the future unfold. Because we're all the beneficiaries of previous decisions to prioritize future growth over protecting the present. Very few people in this room have ever worried about how they were going to obtain food or shelter or heat, or how they were going to bury a child who died of diarrhea before its first birthday. Those worries are the normal condition of humanity. We escaped them only through massive chronological luck. That is a precious and totally unearned inheritance. And I think we have an obligation to pay that forward and leave an even bigger legacy for our descendants to do. Otherwise. It's a kind of theft. It's stealing from the future. Picture what it would have looked like if the Luddites actually had managed to halt progress in its tracks. Effectively, they'd have been reaching forward in time and taking almost everything we have in order to enrich themselves. Now, obviously, that's not how they understood what they were doing, but it would have been true just the same. So picture that. Really picture it. A spinner sells a few spools of thread and suddenly you don't have a car. A weaver sells a hand loom cloak and oops, there go your refrigerator, your essential heating and your college education. A whole suit of clothes and thousands of kids just died of preventable disease. So when you're tempted to halt the innovation that might compete for your job, you have to ask yourself, how much am I willing to steal from my grandkids? I mean, from everyone's grandkids. Now, I know some people in the audience are probably thinking, but that's different. We already have it really good. We've got airplanes and MRNA vaccines and hbo. But of course, a Lot of it would have thought the same thing. They couldn't have imagined a future in which the average worker is literally leading a healthier and more comfortable life than 19th century royalty. Others might be asking, quite reasonably, but what about global warming and endangered species? I mean, is progress really all that great? Well, I'd ask you to remember your last trip to the dentist and then reimagine it without the Novocaine. Now I know the obvious retort. That's a libertarian canard. You can want modern medicine without wanting us to have burned all that coal. But my retort is that that doesn't work. The same industrial revolution that led to global warming has also made us so rich that we could afford to divert millions of workers from agriculture and weaving into science and medicine. It's giving us the tools to fight ecological disaster. But we couldn't have predicted any of that from the outset. We kind of had to live the change in order to understand what it meant. Now actually, it's worse than that because it's often quite easy to picture the near term downsides. I mean, just read any article about AI but the long term upside is much harder to grasp because progress is cumulative and the longer it accumulates, the weirder it gets. So, a final thought experiment. Imagine trying to explain your life right now to a Luddite. Better yet, just imagine trying to explain the life of some ordinary British working class stiff whose great, great, great something great grandfather was out there smashing machines. And I'm not just talking about the ordinary stuff about daily living standards like indoor plumbing. I mean, indoor plumbing is extremely awesome. But imagine trying to explain mass post secondary education or the BBC nursing homes or bachelorette weekends. I mean, for that matter, weekends and standardized time. How about suburbs and pizza delivery and a nation so rich that when a pandemic strikes, people can afford to wait that out at home. Will scientists like. What is a scientist? Asked the Luddite. Will scientists rush out a magic shot that helps keep people from dying? To a Luddite, that would have sounded like a fairy tale. And he'd be right. We are living in fairyland, and indeed we all have magic wands in our pockets. And I'm sure he'd have asked, but how could a spinning jenny lead to all that? And it wasn't just a spinning jenny. It was an unprecedented wave of innovation after innovation. Many of those innovations put people out of good jobs, but collectively they also made it possible for us to be in this room together or listening on the Internet rather than huddled by a smoky fire. Knitting stockings to sell. The mill owners couldn't have imagined what was coming any more than Henry Ford understood that he was helping to speed along the sexual revolution by creating mobile love buggies for teenagers. They were just trying to make a profit. But we're the ones who profited the most. So to return to where we started, yes, I am scared of AI. I assume that the government is going to try to do something for displaced workers, maybe provide them job retraining. But like the Luddites, I'm a human being working in a proud tradition. I don't want a government handout. I want the career that I have spent more than 20 years building. And still, when I'm lying awake at night and wishing and maybe trying to figure out some way that I could stop this thing or at least slow it down a little, I remind myself, I try to remind myself of all the reasons I shouldn't want that even if I could, I don't have any right to steal the future from our descendants because I'm already living in someone else's future. And it is literally better than they could have imagined. Thank you.
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Podcast Summary: "I'll Probably Lose My Job to AI. Here's Why That's OK" by Megan J. McArdle
Podcast Information:
In the June 27, 2025 episode of TED Talks Daily, journalist Megan J. McArdle delves into the increasingly prevalent anxiety surrounding Artificial Intelligence (AI) and its potential to displace jobs. Balancing her libertarian beliefs in progress and creative destruction, McArdle navigates the complex emotions tied to technological advancement and its societal implications.
McArdle begins by expressing her apprehensions about AI's rapid advancement, particularly its capability to perform tasks traditionally handled by writers. She states:
"Every day AI seems to get better and better at writing competent prose, and I don't know what I'm supposed to do if typing words in a row stops being a semi-profitable occupation." ([04:15])
Reflecting on her career choice, McArdle shares her journey from obtaining an MBA to becoming a journalist. Despite initial skepticism from peers, her passion for meaningful work led her to a successful position as a columnist at the Washington Post. However, the rise of AI tools that can generate content poses a significant threat to her profession.
As a libertarian, McArdle advocates for progress and embraces the concept of creative destruction—the idea that technological advancements can lead to the obsolescence of certain jobs while creating new opportunities. However, she draws a parallel to the historical Luddites, who resisted industrial machines fearing job losses:
"Today, Luddite's a broad spectrum term for technophobes, but the real Luddites weren't your mom using a landline instead of a cell phone... They were skilled artisans who made handcrafted textiles." ([06:10])
She empathizes with the original Luddites' plight, acknowledging that while technological progress brings immense benefits, it also entails significant disruptions and hardships for displaced workers.
McArdle emphasizes the dual-edged sword of progress, citing historical examples:
She argues that while modern governments can mitigate some negative impacts, they cannot restore the lives lost due to technological shifts:
"Now, governments can allay many of those costs, but they can't give people back the life they had." ([09:45])
McArdle contends that society must account for these costs without dismissing legitimate fears:
"No one was ever persuaded by being told, your fears are stupid." ([09:30])
Highlighting the irreversible nature of progress, McArdle presents a thought experiment contrasting the past's technological leaps with potential AI advancements:
"What if the Luddites had managed to halt progress in its tracks? They'd be effectively stealing from the future." ([11:20])
She underscores the responsibility to favor future growth over present security, emphasizing that humanity benefits collectively from advancements that may individually displace jobs:
"We're all the beneficiaries of previous decisions to prioritize future growth over protecting the present." ([11:50])
McArdle appeals to the audience to consider the broader legacy left for future generations:
"We have an obligation to pay that forward and leave an even bigger legacy for our descendants to do." ([12:00])
In her conclusion, McArdle admits her personal fear of AI replacing her career but resolves to embrace progress for the greater good. She rejects the notion of halting innovation, recognizing that the benefits far outweigh the individual job losses:
"I try to remind myself of all the reasons I shouldn't want that even if I could, I don't have any right to steal the future from our descendants." ([12:40])
Her final message encourages acceptance of technological change as an integral part of human advancement, advocating for resilience and adaptability in the face of inevitable disruptions.
On Fear of AI Displacement:
"Every day AI seems to get better and better at writing competent prose, and I don't know what I'm supposed to do if typing words in a row stops being a semi-profitable occupation." ([04:15])
On Libertarians and Luddites:
"Today, Luddites is a broad spectrum term for technophobes, but the real Luddites weren't your mom using a landline instead of a cell phone... They were skilled artisans who made handcrafted textiles." ([06:10])
On the Costs of Progress:
"Now, governments can allay many of those costs, but they can't give people back the life they had." ([09:45])
On Legacy and Future Generations:
"We have an obligation to pay that forward and leave an even bigger legacy for our descendants to do." ([12:00])
On Resisting the Temptation to Halt Innovation:
"I don't have any right to steal the future from our descendants because I'm already living in someone else's future." ([12:40])
Megan J. McArdle's talk offers a nuanced perspective on the intersection of AI advancement and job security. By intertwining personal anxiety with historical context and libertarian philosophy, she presents a compelling argument for embracing progress despite its challenges. Her reflections encourage listeners to consider the broader implications of technological change and the responsibilities we hold toward future generations.