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TED Talks Daily: TED Intersections

Episode: How will new tech shape your life? A roboticist and a political strategist answer
Guests: Bradley Tusk (Venture Capitalist & Political Strategist), Ali Kashani (Roboticist & AI Specialist)
Date: September 13, 2025

Main Theme Overview

This episode explores the intersection of technological innovation and policy—how advances such as AI, robotics, and mobile voting are poised to profoundly shape our lives. Bradley Tusk brings a political strategy perspective, focusing on regulation, power, and civic engagement, while Ali Kashani, a leader in robotics, discusses the social and practical impact of autonomous delivery robots, AI breakthroughs, and future cities. Their unscripted conversation centers on:

• The relationship between tech innovation and regulation
• The public’s adaptation to new technologies
• The potential for technology to empower the majority and fix political misalignments
• The societal optimism and challenges that come as a result

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Public Adaptation and Perception of Robots (03:00–05:17)

• Public’s Reaction: Robots, especially autonomous delivery ones, are quickly accepted by most people after initial curiosity. Kids especially are delighted, and negative reactions occur more online than in-person.

  • Ali Kashani: “We’ve designed them to be friendly and fun... the most surprising is people just get used to them so fast... that actually surprised me the most.” (03:42)
  • Bradley Tusk: Shares anecdote about thanking autonomous cars, demonstrating how quickly politeness and familiarity set in with new tech. (04:09)

• Concerns About Displacement: There is ongoing concern (primarily voiced online) about robots replacing human jobs, but in physical communities, reactions are overwhelmingly positive.

  • Ali Kashani: “Good news is that in person, when you see the robot, 99.9% of the time, the reaction is really, really positive.” (05:03)

2. Regulation vs. Innovation: The Political Challenge (05:17–09:56)

• Regulatory Lag: Regulation trails innovation, as lawmakers can’t anticipate new technologies until they appear; “regulatory capture” then arises when incumbents use regulation to block newcomers.
  • Bradley Tusk: “Regulation, by definition, is always going to lag innovation... innovators have a hard time understanding regulators, and vice versa.” (06:45)
• Real-World Case Studies:
  • Uber: Taxi industry tried to use regulations to block ride-hailing.
  • Electric scooters: Reasonable questions were raised due to lack of precedents (e.g., where can they operate?)
• Path Forward: Bridging gaps through dialogue, helping both sides realize their goals are often aligned.

3. Power, Democracy, and Mobile Voting (09:56–13:36)

• Power Dynamics: Those currently in power are incentivized to keep participation low; innovation often faces institutional pushback.

  • Bradley Tusk: “People in power don’t like making it easier for others to gain power.” (03:00, 11:25)

• Mobile Voting Initiative:

  • Tusk describes his philanthropic initiative to build an open-source, secure mobile voting platform, aiming to boost turnout and break polarization.
  • Open source is critical for transparency and public trust.
    • Bradley Tusk: “It has to be auditable, it has to be verifiable, which means it has to be open source.” (13:36)

• Broader Alignment: Higher turnout creates more alignment between public will, politician incentives, and innovator solutions.

4. Vision: How Tech Could Radically Improve Daily Life (14:33–19:53)

• Optimism for the Future:

  • AI and robotics will create massive, positive transformations in education, medicine, and urban design.
    • Ali Kashani: “We've turned silicon into intelligence, which means everything around us is going to have that intelligence.” (15:10)
    • Bradley Tusk: “If you could use AI to teach things to everyone's individualized learning style, the efficacy of education would be exponentially greater.” (16:03)

• City Design and Mobility:

  • Expect major changes as “the car is unbundled”—a mix of autonomous delivery robots, drones, and smarter micro-mobility could reshape urban space, traffic, and daily logistics.
    • Ali Kashani: “I have this thesis, that we are about to unbundle the car.” (17:09)

• Robots & Drones Working Together:

  • Delivery robots and drones are often complementary: robots do short distances, drones handle long distances (often in a seamless handoff).
    • Ali Kashani: “The only thing cooler than robots is robots and drones.” (19:53)

5. Social Trust, Vandalism, and Media Negativity (20:38–25:29)

• Human Behavior Toward Tech: Fears about vandalism are common, but incidents are rare. There is a mismatch between fears and reality, possibly fueled by negative narratives in media and pop culture.

  • Ali Kashani: “I've always noticed we have such a low opinion of ourselves for some reason... maybe it's Hollywood.” (21:03)

• Social Media’s Influence:

  • Social media amplifies negativity, incentivized by business models that profit from outrage.
    • Bradley Tusk: “Social media is almost the unhappiness machine... your life seems inadequate and the world seems terrible.” (23:34)

• Section 230 and Political Inertia:

  • U.S. internet law shields platforms, letting them avoid liability for toxic or false content. Despite broad agreement on its problems, lobbying and low voter turnout stifle meaningful change.

6. Reasons for Optimism & Closing Reflections (25:42–27:28)

• System of Experimentation: Despite challenges, the speakers find hope in both people and the capacity of technology to keep improving lives.
  • Ali Kashani: “We have an incredible system of experimentation in place for those people that are trying absolutely everything under the sun to find all these interesting ways.” (26:53)
  • Bradley Tusk: “I do believe in the underlying nature of people. Two, I believe in the underlying nature of technology to make people's lives better.” (25:44)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Human Adaptation to Robots
  • Ali Kashani: “People just get used to them so fast... to me is a really good sign.” (03:54)
• On Mobile Voting & Power
  • Bradley Tusk: “People in power don’t like making it easier for others to gain power.” (11:25)
• On the Need for Open Source in Public Tech
  • Bradley Tusk: “It has to be auditable, it has to be verifiable, which means it has to be open source.” (13:36)
• On AI as a Discovery
  • Ali Kashani: “It's not an invention, it is a discovery... we've turned silicon into intelligence.” (15:10)
• On Social Media
  • Bradley Tusk: “Social media is almost the unhappiness machine… your life seems inadequate and the world seems terrible.” (23:34)
• On Tech’s Potential for Good
  • Bradley Tusk: “Technology can make our lives better… I think those people ultimately win.” (25:44)

Timestamps for Major Segments

• 03:00–05:17 – Public reactions to robots; adaptation and social impact
• 05:17–09:56 – Regulation, political barriers, and innovation; Uber & scooter examples
• 09:56–13:36 – Mobile voting, democracy, and the importance of open source
• 14:33–19:53 – The future: AI in education, medicine, city design; robots+ drones
• 20:38–25:29 – Myths about vandalism, social trust vs. media representation, the role of Section 230
• 25:42–27:28 – Optimism, innovation culture, and final thoughts

Conclusion

Bradley Tusk and Ali Kashani deliver an insightful, hopeful, and candid discussion exploring how technology—when developed in dialogue with policymakers and earnestly shaped for public good—has the potential to solve entrenched problems in politics and society. Through real-world anecdotes, systemic analysis, and imagined futures, they challenge listeners to see regulation and innovation as necessary partners, to trust in society's ability to adapt, and to energize optimism grounded in collective experimentation.

For those who haven't listened:
This conversation will leave you both more informed about the real frictions (and friendships) between tech and politics, and more hopeful about the untapped potential of fresh ideas—whether rolling down your street or in the palm of your hand.