#630: Red Wings

Summary

Tell 'Em Steve-Dave #630: Red Wings

Date: March 16, 2025

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Episode Overview

This week’s episode of "Tell 'Em Steve-Dave" delves into the crew’s wild past compared to their current, more subdued lives, pivots on hot topics like celebrity fan experiences (Gene Simmons' $12,000 assistant day), British royalty’s musical tastes, animal rights activism, and finishes with a candid conversation about mortality, creativity, and legacy. As always, it’s a blend of irreverent humor, storytelling, and introspection, with Walt, Bryan (“Q”), and Brian diving deep into comic culture, current events, and their own anxieties and ambitions.

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Main Discussion Points & Segments

1. The New Q vs. the Old Q

• (00:06 – 05:27)

  • The guys rib Q for his taming ways, contrasting his current lack of partying with his erstwhile “wild man” persona.
  • Q recounts a brief, no-partying work trip to Toronto—gone are the days of debauchery.
  • The conversation becomes a meditation on aging and inevitable change.

  Walt (A): "I feared this day would come... It's a little sad. It's like, man, that’s not the Q that he was." (05:06)

  Q (B): “What am I giving up exactly? What is it time for?” (05:27)

• The group reflects on the inevitability of time and getting older:

  • Q likens this change to Tom Brady knowing when it was time to quit.
  • There's nostalgia for wilder days, but also acceptance of transition.

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2. Listener Updates & “Tim Pod” Fundraiser

• (06:45 – 08:41)
  • Discussion shifts to the success of the “Tim Pod” fundraising episode, raising money for a friend’s care.
  • Effusive thanks for fans’ support and a bit on recording dynamics (“Sometimes when the episodes are structured... they come up a little bit. When they have a point, yeah.” (08:42)).

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3. King Charles’ Spotify Playlist Game

• (09:03 – 26:13)

  • Q proposes guessing tracks on the (real) King Charles playlist, sparking much speculation and ribbing.
  • Hilarity ensues as they attempt to intuit what a “stodgy” 76-year-old royal would include (Beatles, Stones, Spice Girls, etc.).
  • They’re amazed (and somewhat scandalized) by the actual playlist, which includes Bob Marley and much more obscure picks.

  Q (B): “What do you think about a king doing this? A King DJing?” (25:21)

  Walt (A): “These motherfuckers making a playlist? Concentrate on something a little more important!” (25:30)

  • Bonus: The show revisits infamous “tampon” scandal quotes from Charles’ past, leading into a “Red Wings” riff (i.e., sex during menstruation)—the show’s hallmark gross-out humor.

  Bryan (B): “That’s how much I love it, man. I have and unfortunately, still have friends like that...” (27:51)

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4. Gene Simmons’ $12,000 “Assistant for a Day” Offer

• (13:14 – 18:33)

  • Outrage and fascination over Gene Simmons charging fans $12,500 to be his assistant for a day—manual labor, backstage meal, 4 autographs, rehearsal-used bass guitar.
  • The guys debate whether it’s exploitation or harmless business, and toy with the idea of using TSD funds to buy the experience and turn it into content.

  Walt (A): “I’m gonna use TSD money to do it, and then I’ll record it.” (14:03)

  Q (B): “Go for it, Gene. It’s a once in a lifetime opportunity.” (18:28)

  Q (B): “I stopped doing meet and greets... I felt, I’m like, I can’t take people’s money to say hello.” (18:33)

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5. Serial Killers & Technology’s Impact

• (29:23 – 31:32)
  • Brief but dense segment: Can modern technology (cameras, DNA) make it impossible for serial killers to evade capture today? Q ponders how hard it would be to get away with the kinds of crimes that define true crime lore.

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6. TV & Pop Culture Roundup

• (31:05 – 42:40)
  • Panel discuss new episodes of "Daredevil" and verdicts on superhero portrayals (praising Charlie Cox, reminisce on Ben Affleck and Colin Farrell’s “Bullseye”).
  • Mixed feelings on "The Last of Us"—discusses the divergence between fan expectations (zombie action!) and showrunners’ wishes (more romance arcs).
    • The third episode is divisive:

    Q (B): “Every second I watch these two fall in love, you could have had zombies eating people!” (40:27)

    • Walt says "The Office" changed his mind on loving romance in shows.

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7. Art, Animal Rights, and Ethics

• (44:20 – 52:28)

  • A controversial art exhibit in Denmark is discussed, where piglets were almost starved for the sake of “art” (to raise awareness of animal suffering in factory farms).
  • Q argues the artist’s point is valid but the method is disturbing; the others discuss the ethics and whether this was a kind of meta “art activism” where rescue was always the plan.

  Q (B): “He’s playing chess while I’m playing checkers.” (46:21)

  Q (B): “That’s a scale of misery. That’s unbelievable that that’s going on on the planet that we live on.” (48:23)

  • Shocking stats on pig deaths in Denmark prompt a reckoning about meat consumption and personal responsibility:

    • “25,000 piglets a day starve in Denmark for no reason but overbreeding.” (paraphrased, 49:03)

  • Discussion of pets, whether Q could get a pig, and the intelligence of pigs and animals.

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8. On Career, Mortality, and Achievement

• (55:44 – End)

  • The crew reflect on what getting older means, particularly for Q, whose 49th birthday is imminent. He expresses relief and clarity about death being closer—he feels less pressure, more contentment, and desire to focus on fun and loved ones.

  Q (B): "The idea that I'm going to die one day and relatively soon... has taken a lot of fear and pressure off me..." (55:53)

  • Walt shares his wish to finally write/draw his own comic—wonders if the world would care, or if the industry even allows for meaningful new voices anymore. Q encourages him to relish the process, not outcome.
  • The loss/illness of their friend Tim sharpens everyone’s sense of urgency (“if I don't do it now, I might not get to it”) and the value of time.

  Q (B): “It doesn't matter either way … if you're loving doing it …” (68:21)

  C: “No matter what the motivation is, if you can find it in some capacity … it’s a good thing.” (70:58)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On aging and change:

  • “Time remains undefeated.” – Q (06:10)
  • "We lived to pod one more day." – Walt (06:28)

• On success and legacy:

  • "If you told me Jokers and I never did another fucking thing again at 50-something, whenever the show ends... I don't give a fuck. Who cares?" – Q (55:53)
  • "I want to write and draw my own comic book... I think I better get fucking working on it." – Walt (62:22)
  • "I think you just got to do stuff that's rewarding no matter what the fucking — you had me in the beginning where you're like 'I want to write from beginning to end the comic and do the art myself.' That's the goal." – Q (63:06)
  • “What more do I got to do?” – Walt, comparing Q to Derek Jeter (62:04)

• Nostalgia and irreverence:

  • “He still looks like a demon.” – Walt, on Gene Simmons (11:49)
  • "That's how much I love it, man. I have... unfortunately, still have friends like that." – Q, about friends earning "Red Wings" (27:51)
  • “I used to think like you, until The Office turned me around. I was like — I like romance." – Walt (41:02)

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Key Timestamps

• Old Q vs New Q/Aging: 00:06–05:27
• Listener/Tim Pod Update: 06:45–08:41
• King Charles Playlist Guessing: 09:03–26:13
• Gene Simmons Roadie Experience: 13:14–18:33
• Serial Killers & Tech: 29:23–31:32
• Daredevil, The Last of Us & TV Roundtable: 31:05–42:40
• Animal Rights/Art Exhibit: 44:20–52:28
• Career, Legacy, Motivation: 55:44–end

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Tone & Style

True to "Tell 'Em Steve-Dave" tradition, the episode swings from sophomoric humor, candid self-reflection, and nerd culture deep dives, to genuine discussions about the passage of time, mortality, and meaning. The conversation is raw, playful, and marked with black humor, ending with a collective vow to create and celebrate while they still can.

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Fans of the show will find this episode equal parts relatable, hilarious, and surprisingly deep, as the cast navigates everything from Gene Simmons' odd capitalist stunts to deeply personal reckonings with ambition and the ticking clock.

Transcript

[A]

See, the old Q would have been out trying to find Lady Gaga at a party with.

[B]

Yeah, I know. I'm still jet setting. You know, high flying.

[A]

Teddy's getting a haircut right now.

[C]

Oh, yeah. All right, let's talk about that a little bit.

[A]

Tell him, Steve Dave.

[C]

Hello and welcome to this week's edition of. Tell him, Steve Dave. Walt, your eyes are bugging out of your head. What's going on?

[A]

I'm getting ready.

[C]

Yeah, you're all psyched.

[A]

I'm getting all. I'm getting ready. He's giving my game face on.

[B]

Yeah. All right.

[A]

What's. I put some smelling salts under my nose while I was in the bathroom. I'm amped.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You ready to go?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

No, get him. This week he didn't put out a mic for himself. He said nobody wants to hear from him.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I don't know if. I don't know if that's true, but we'll see. See if there's an outpouring of.

[C]

On Reddit. Yeah. Like where's. Get him. We want him back. Oh, boy. And Q.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Back from last week. I got a spy report. Q was running around with the likes of Adam Ray.

[B]

I was in Toronto. Yeah.

[C]

Is that where you went?

[B]

Yeah. Very warmly received by the Canadians. No issues whatsoever.

[A]

Who's Adam Ray?

[B]

He's a stand up comedian, entertainer buddy of mine.

[A]

Is he Canadian?

[B]

He is not. But he, he tours as. He does this great act as Dr. Phil. Remember Dr. Phil, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So he does an imitation of Dr. Phil and does live shows in character as Dr. Phil. And it has taken off. It's hysterical.

[C]

People love it.

[B]

It's so fucking funny. And, you know, it's getting hotter and hotter. And he went, he, he tours now and he needs guests for every show. And he texted me and asked if I would fly to Toronto to sit in with him. I was like, sure, I'll do it. Had a. Had a blast.

[C]

Yeah. Good time?

[B]

Oh, it was great. Harlan Williams was there. You know Harlan Williams?

[C]

Their name is.

[B]

He's got a podcast now called Harlan highway, but he was in Half Baked, remember? Half Baked.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

He's. He's the. The white guy, the skinny white guy. You know, something about Mary, six minute abs. He's got a podcast that's so fucking funny. Like, like, it's great. So he was on the show too, so I got to meet him. So I was pretty excited.

[C]

Oh, cool.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah. A lot of running around. Who spied on me?

[C]

I got spies out there everywhere in an inner circle.

[A]

Spy. I heard.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, really.

[C]

That's what you heard? That's how I knew where Q was.

[B]

I didn't even tell anybody where I was going.

[A]

Has to be somebody in the inner circle then. That's giving Brian updates on Q's information.

[B]

Who would it be?

[A]

Valuable information.

[C]

I want you to think about it.

[B]

Well, either way, I had a good time.

[A]

He slipped an AirPod or one of those AirPods in your jacket?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Good.

[B]

Yeah, it was a good week. Back to work, back to shooting, you know.

[A]

What'd you do in Toronto?

[B]

I just. Oh, no, I was there. I was there for like. I had like 12 hours to spare. So it was like literally an in and out situation. I didn't do anything.

[A]

12 hours isn't enough time to.

[C]

It's a long time.

[B]

Well, you gotta sleep for six of them. I mean, do the show for three of them.

[A]

The BQI knew fucking.

[B]

You gotta drive from the airport. That takes an hour.

[C]

You know, it wasn't so full of excuses as to why he wasn't partying. Did you party at all afterwards?

[B]

0 partying.

[C]

0.

[B]

0 partying. I was in bed by midnight because it was also the time change. I was losing an hour sleep.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And then I had an 8am flight because I had to get back. You know, I didn't. I only had that. That small window. So it was a lot. I would love to party. Gone to the brass rail.

[A]

I knew. I feared this day would come. And I'm sure a lot of listeners now are, you know, it's very sad to hear this kind of like dancing. No, that he's doing because he. Because he's not seeing it. He's not. That he's not the same cue that he was.

[B]

You're not seeing it for the forest or the trees.

[C]

He's days away from 49.

[B]

I've hopped on an international flight to go fuck around. I had drinks.

[A]

International Unicorn. Just because.

[B]

International, my friend.

[A]

But the time that the time didn't change.

[B]

It doesn't matter when you got there.

[A]

It was still the same time as it was in Staten Island.

[B]

So is Cuba. What do you want? It don't mean anything. Like I'm just saying. Is it Cuba? Okay, but my point is like, you.

[A]

Know, I'm still checked at do something.

[B]

I'm still jet setting, you know, high flying.

[A]

You didn't have jet lag. Sounds like you might have. I mean, you are. It's. You're only days away from 49. It's okay, but it's still it's okay, but it's still a little sad. It's like, man, like, I don't think that that's, you know, Tom Brady, when he threw that last pass, everybody kind of knew it. I knew it. It was time.

[B]

What am I giving up exactly? What is it time for?

[A]

Mad bad Persona.

[B]

Wild man. The one you got started and perpetrated all these years. Oh, no.

[A]

You rolled right into it. You loved every moment of it. I got my tooth knocked out.

[B]

Germany once.

[C]

Got a hole burned in my pants. And down in Nashville.

[A]

I mean.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When you went to. When you went on these international flights in the past, you were getting teeth knocked out. You.

[C]

Ballroom.

[A]

Brawl room.

[C]

Oh, ballroom. Yeah. The cotillions. Yeah.

[A]

Now you're just like, I went to bed.

[B]

I had to, man.

[A]

You know, I, I, I also very Time remains undefeated.

[B]

No argument there.

[C]

Zero loss.

[B]

Zero loss. The goat is the ultimate goat, man. Take them all. Name him. He got him.

[A]

Not us.

[C]

Not yet.

[B]

Not today. Not today.

[A]

We lived a pod one more day.

[B]

You guys did an episode last week?

[C]

We did one, yeah.

[B]

Sunday, Jeff. Well, well, good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Sunday, Zero controversy. We're back.

[A]

We. I, I feel like we did a pod.

[C]

There's controversy. All right.

[A]

I feel.

[B]

What kind of people, like, they got us.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

Like, they were pleased with the content?

[A]

I think so. You know, we announced the Tim pod. It's up for sale.

[B]

Oh, excellent. Okay. And that is a great one.

[A]

Yeah, I feel that one hits the. All the crosses, all the T's, dots, all the eyes of what you're looking for. A TSD episode. And it's up now available on Bandcamp. Thank you to all those. And there were plenty of you who came out and support the pod. And I talked to Tim, and he is very appreciative, and he's trying to figure a way out to, you know, show that appreciation to the ants. He says he's trying to come up with an idea to just let everyone know how touched he is with the turnout and the response.

[B]

Oh, wow, man.

[C]

Just go to band camp and put in Tim the record store clerk.

[B]

Right.

[C]

And it should pop right up.

[A]

Yeah. TSD benefit. Tim the record store clerk. Over 90 minutes of TSD content and some good laughs, some. Some good games, and I. I think it'll be 499. Well spent.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Well spent going towards. To help all the proceeds. 100% going towards Tim's care in this fight he's in now.

[B]

Yeah, it's a great episode. I remember we recorded it after a regular episode. One day. And I remember the regular episode being like, all right, you know, not every week's a home run. And then we started that.

[A]

Why can't we hit home runs every time like Barry Bonds?

[B]

We can.

[A]

Like, how come we aren't. I don't know.

[B]

All the time.

[A]

Can we blame it on Father Time?

[B]

Sure can.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Why not?

[B]

Us, the audience, everything. But I remember we did the Tim one, and we had such a fucking blast. I was driving home and I was like, I kind of wish the Tim one was a regular one. It was so much fun. Yeah. It's a great episode. I think people will like it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Sometimes when the episodes are structured, they come up. They're a little bit.

[B]

Yeah. When they have a point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

[A]

How many points today? Or are we just.

[C]

I got some points, but they're not good ones. I'm hoping that Teddy had a big weekend.

[A]

Teddy's getting a haircut right now.

[C]

Oh, yeah. All right, let's talk about that a little bit.

[B]

Somebody on set today was about King Charles. The released a playlist, really, of his favorite songs. Did you hear about this?

[A]

The Prince.

[B]

King of Britain, did a DJ on Spotify and. And just DJ'd his favorite songs, like, spoken between him and stuff like that.

[A]

And do you know the.

[B]

No. I was like, that might be a fun game. I was like, that might be a fun game if we all try to guess.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's on it.

[A]

How old is King Charles at this point?

[B]

I don't. I. This is. I'm at the end of my. King Charles used to be.

[A]

He used to know so much about Brit fucking.

[B]

He's got to be in the late 70s, right. So his mom was like, I'm gonna.

[A]

Say a lot of Beatles.

[B]

That's what I thought. Beatles, right? Rolling Stone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, don't put it up. Get him. We should get. We should guess.

[C]

He's 76.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yep.

[B]

He's gonna be my dad, you know.

[A]

He'S gonna have to put some current things on there because he wants to remain hip.

[B]

He's gonna. He's gonna. That's a great point. He's gonna want to remain heavy. He's gonna want to put international flavors on there.

[A]

All right, well, Veri's going over his. I'll try to remember some of the. No, no. Some of your points that you wanted.

[C]

To get some of my points before.

[A]

We get to Prince Charles or King Charles.

[C]

This one's musical about Gene Simmons being absolutely pathetic. He's KISS front man. Gene Simmons is charging $12,000 to be his personal assistant for one day.

[B]

Wait, what? I have to pay him to be his.

[C]

You gotta pay him to work for him. Now, the cert. There are certain.

[B]

When does it end with this guy?

[C]

Never. That's why when I saw this, I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding me with this dude.

[B]

How did he need 12 grand at this point?

[C]

Because it's only one person. You're right. It's not like, hey, I'm taking 10 of you or 20 of you. It's one person.

[B]

He's gotta spend the day with a stranger.

[C]

Yep. Not only does he have to spend the day with a stranger, not only will the lucky fan do manual labor, like help setting up the band show, but they will sit in on the soundcheck, arrive at the venue, at the band, and hang out backstage.

[A]

That's pretty cool, though.

[C]

That's pretty cool.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

I'm sure he's not gonna get really treated like a roadie, you know, that's just like. It's a. It's like, be. Quote, unquote, treated like a roadie. I'm sure he'll be treated very, very well.

[C]

I'm curious. Okay, so he also promises for the hefty price tag of 12,500, it will be big enough for the big. Will be enough for the big spender to have a meal with the rocker, either at a hotel or backstage at the show, and be brought up on the stage during the concert and introduced to the crowd.

[B]

What show? Kiss.

[A]

Well, Gene's doing solo dates now. He's a solo artist now?

[B]

Of course. How old is he?

[A]

He's in the 70s.

[C]

He's 70? Yeah, he's 75, I think.

[A]

Wow. So Prince Charles is older than 75?

[B]

Yeah, he's younger. 74, right?

[C]

No, he's 70. Yeah, 74.

[B]

Yeah, he's younger than Prince Charles.

[A]

Looks rough. Gene still looks like a demon.

[B]

Well, that's the face paint.

[C]

Yeah. Here it is. No.

[A]

Even without his makeup, he still looks good.

[B]

He. Yeah. How could he be doing this? How?

[A]

You don't need an extra12.500 bucks.

[B]

Look, I'm not 76 and a billionaire, like, you know what I'm saying? At what point does that end? Like, what point does it end?

[A]

Well, maybe he's not a billionaire. Maybe some bad investments.

[B]

True market has been tanking lately.

[A]

Maybe some poor business decisions.

[C]

Yeah, Gene doesn't seem like that type.

[A]

What? That he won't make any mistakes.

[C]

He'll make some mistakes, but not like, major ones. I don't Think. I think Gene's. He seems very careful with his money.

[A]

Case in point. I give you the elder.

[C]

Okay. Did they pay for that?

[A]

Well, that was their decision. They decided to release it, and it was a complete and utter flop. Yeah, I give you. I give you another one. Burn, bitch, burn. He put that on fucking wax.

[C]

Oh, boy. All right, so maybe he does make mistakes here and there.

[B]

I don't. I don't begrudge him touring. I get it like that. Stay alive, man. Perform like love life. Go for it. It's the. It's a sponging of that 12 grand, which after, you know, taxes and after everything, all the other fees that come out, it's like a few thousand dollars.

[C]

Thousand bucks to do it.

[B]

When. When. When is Gene, like, maybe I don'. People's money.

[C]

When he can just have a regular old contest and be like, hey, you want to win a chance to be my roadie for the day? And it's no purchase necessary type thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Not for somebody, like, who has 12,500 to blow on fucking being Gene's ass boy for the day.

[B]

Yeah, but I guess the counter argument is like, look, it's not for everybody. It's for people who have $12,000 who want to spend it on them. Like, what are you going to do? Just go to the lowest common denominator? But he. But I just don't understand why he even has it in him to think about this anymore. That's what's interesting. Not saying even he's wrong. Like, I just don't get it. I don't get it.

[C]

Okay, so it's not just one person. It's one assistant experience per venue from April 3rd to August 3rd with over 20 shows. So now he's making more than 12,000.

[A]

Is he in New Jersey? I'm gonna do it.

[C]

You're gonna do it?

[A]

Yeah. I'm gonna use TSD money, though, to do it, and then I'll record it.

[B]

Well, you gotta bring GitHub, too. So now it's 25.

[C]

Now you'll have to.

[A]

You imagine get him trying to limp around, trying to move Marshall amps and.

[C]

Kane's like, get him. Dinner is over.

[B]

Holy. May 5th at the Basie. Oh, my God. Oh, man. Oh, you gotta do it.

[A]

12 grand.

[B]

You and get him. That's only six each. Oh, wow.

[A]

Look into it. Get him. See what. See how. What we have to do to sign up to become Gene's personal roadies.

[B]

You may bring four items for Gene to sign. All right.

[A]

I can make money back on that?

[B]

Sure can. You sure can.

[C]

You're allowed to take as many pictures as you want.

[B]

Hey, man, it's.

[C]

I've again, a T shirt and a hat laminate kind of hard on them.

[B]

At first, but I. I think it's a high price, but like, it's up for the person to decide.

[A]

Has anybody bought the Basie one? Get them. Can you look into it? I'm real. I'm serious. We can make content out of it. We need it. You know, Teddy's not gonna get a bath next week.

[B]

Uh. Oh.

[A]

You know, I mean, we need something.

[B]

This is crazy.

[C]

Yeah, that's just the.

[A]

The article you see about how we can sign up for it.

[C]

Get him in limited number of experiences.

[B]

Hey, man, I guess go for it.

[C]

We stopped inquire for and payment plans. Oh, that's the worst. If you have to go on a payment plan to be as roadie. Yeah.

[B]

You shouldn't have to.

[A]

Well, I think most people would. Might have to though.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm interested now. Get him. I'm. I'm serious. I'm. I'm not. I'm not fooling me. And you will be. I'll. I'll like wipe Gene's brow. You do all the.

[C]

All the grunt work, though, like his ass. Come here. Get him.

[A]

Think he remember me from conflict then?

[C]

That I doubt.

[A]

I doubt. He's met so many people. I would not feel slighted if he didn't remember. He has literally met millions of people probably since that filming of that.

[C]

Since that.

[A]

Yeah, since the filming of that episode of Complic, Man. So I don't think I could be upset if he didn't remember though. But. All right, let's see what we can do about that.

[B]

Q. All right. Nice. It sounds like it'll be fun.

[A]

Well, if we could film. We could film. Can we film it, right?

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

Maybe we could turn it into a Patreon episode.

[B]

Yeah, there you go.

[C]

You are allowed to take as many photos as you want.

[B]

It says we can do like a.

[C]

Flip book throughout your entire experience. You can bring one guest, like you say, four items for him to sign, and you get a Gene Simmons rehearsal used bass.

[A]

Whoa, I get a bass?

[C]

You're going to get a bass guitar. Well, for your new music career.

[A]

That's the one of the four things I want him to sign then.

[C]

That's weird, though, because he says they won't sign instruments or parts.

[B]

Probably the bass he's giving you, though.

[C]

He would probably say.

[A]

Because I could flip that. I think for at least a G, I would think.

[B]

Yeah. Now it's down to only 11,000.

[C]

You gotta get pictures of all this shit so everybody knows it's legit.

[A]

Does what looked good?

[B]

The email.

[A]

I'm in the middle of a podcasting. You're asking me questions about emails we're sending out.

[B]

Simmons. This is a nice. Oh, oh, oh.

[A]

I thought it was a. I thought it was a. I thought it was.

[C]

I don't know her.

[A]

I thought it was. I thought it was an issue with the Tim pod, that somebody needed help with it.

[B]

But. What do you need? His. His.

[A]

Perfect.

[B]

That's. That is a one sentence email. He needed you to double check that. It's literally our sentence. Has anybody booked this yet? Well, need your approval.

[A]

Well, I mentioned his name. He was, I guess, asking, should they drop my name? As if my name means anything to Gene Simmons or his people.

[C]

We've played the Count Basie, though. I mean, sure, it was even longer than Kiss, right?

[A]

But this is a man who want. He doesn't care who he's getting the 12 G's from. He does not care if. If at all who it is. He just. All he cares about is the money. That's all that matters. You should have just put. I have the money.

[B]

Yeah, go. Go for it, Gene.

[A]

It's once in a lifetime opportunity.

[B]

Right? That bag make it? Yeah, that's. It's like I stopped. I stopped. We stopped doing meet and greets because I was just uncomfortable with them. I felt. I'm like, I can't take people's money to say hello to me. I just. It. And then I actually later on think I up because then people were like, we loved it. It was so much fun. Like, it was fun and I don't know.

[A]

I understand. Yeah, I can understand the awkwardness of.

[C]

I need to see my psychologist. Yeah, I gotta.

[B]

Gotta make that quick. Oh, Queen Joe's playlist. All right.

[A]

Well, is that all you had, bro?

[C]

No, no, I got tons of other stuff.

[B]

No, I'm not pushing for this. He pulled it up on the screen.

[A]

Who do you. Who's.

[C]

I'm gonna say Elton John. He's got a. See if you can get one.

[A]

Let's see if we can get one.

[C]

Okay. I say Elton John.

[A]

Oh, absolutely. Oh, my God. He was a favorite of Princess Die, right? He wrote that Candle in the Wind song for her.

[B]

Mean, he might not like him because of.

[A]

He had some bad blood between them.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, they didn't. Not a bad man.

[A]

I think those. What about those girls? Those Those Spice Girls. Yeah, those girls. I bet you Spice Girl songs on here.

[B]

I don't know. I could see where you're coming from.

[C]

I only like them if they're English.

[A]

There's a Bowie song on there. Song on there. There's a Stone song on there.

[B]

I'm trying to think of, like, one that's not right. Like, what would be, like, led zap. Is led zap too hard for the King?

[A]

Oh, absolutely.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. He looks like a real stick in the mud.

[B]

Dodgy.

[A]

Oh, yeah. He's got a stick firmly planted up that anus.

[B]

Wow. He's got a scepter.

[C]

Yeah. Well, it seemed like the Queen was that way too. Like, and if that's her son, it's like, no fun allowed.

[B]

What is it like?

[C]

You see me. He's very stodgy.

[B]

Like, how. What is it like to be that human? Like, I never even considered life from his perspective before.

[C]

Like, carrying yourself in a certain way.

[B]

All the time, knowing no other way.

[A]

Who are you going to. I'm sorry.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Who do you got? Who do you. Give me your top five that you think is on you. Elton. I'll give that to Brian.

[B]

Give that to Bry.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

The Beatles are going to be on there. I think that's a. That's a no brainer. I think he can't.

[A]

My Beatles. Okay.

[B]

No, no. Take Beatles, take Beatles. I don't care.

[A]

I'm taking.

[B]

I got Rolling Stones.

[A]

Okay, you did say that I got Rolling Stones.

[B]

Does he put Pink Floyd?

[A]

No, no, no. That's. That's drug music, right? Well, no, but Pink Floyd specifically wants.

[B]

To show he's cool. You know how he's going to show he's cool? Hendrix.

[C]

Hendrix. Huh?

[B]

Hendrix is good. He's got. He's got to have Bob Marley. He needs Bob Marley.

[A]

Bob Marley. I like that.

[B]

He needs international.

[A]

Why. Why do you think that, though?

[B]

I think he feels he needs to represent as much as he can.

[C]

I mean, there's a picture of him banging on a Tom Tom with a bunch of African guys or Rastafarian guys.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

I mean, this is.

[B]

That. He's in Jamaica playing drums.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like, there you go. He's. I should even.

[A]

I'm going to say the Spice Girls.

[B]

Spice Girls. All right.

[A]

That's my second one.

[C]

I'm going to say the who. I'm going to go out there, man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm going to say Michael Jackson. No, I called it mine.

[B]

Let me throw this at you. Let me throw a Bruce Springsteen at you.

[A]

Not a chance.

[B]

Show love for America.

[A]

You're gone. That's a swinging. A miscue.

[B]

We'll see. We'll see.

[A]

Big swing.

[B]

No females. We're not picking any females yet.

[A]

I did Spice Girls.

[B]

Oh, you're right. That's right. Aretha Franklin.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

That's. Everybody's got Aretha. What about.

[C]

I'm gonna say Billy Joel.

[A]

Billy Joel.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

How many are we picking?

[A]

Five.

[B]

How many do I have?

[A]

1, 2, 3, 4. You got one more cue. I have two more. Bry has two more.

[B]

Oh, guys. Sinatra. Get Sinatra on there.

[A]

That's your last one. So BQ has Rolling stones, Bob Marley, B.S. who's B.S. bruce Springsteen, Aretha Franklin and Sinatra.

[B]

Great.

[A]

I have the Beatles, Spice Girls, Michael Jackson. I'm going to say Bowie.

[C]

That's a good one.

[A]

And I need some. I need somebody current, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Amy Winehouse.

[B]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[A]

I don't know what she sings. I just know that name.

[B]

Yeah, she's dead. But still, I know he's dead.

[A]

So you want to. You want to give her respect, though, for career bra. You got two. Morning.

[C]

Okay, I'm gonna say Janis Joplin, maybe.

[A]

No way.

[B]

That is because he would be.

[C]

He's right in that time, though.

[B]

That's what I was saying. Like, he doesn't. He's never feeling. He's a veal.

[A]

He doesn't want to look stodgy.

[C]

It's true. Who else was big in Woodstock?

[A]

I would think. See, I think you got to think more. Who's current right now? He wants to.

[C]

He wants to be current.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, boy.

[B]

I'll give you Lady Gaga.

[C]

Okay, I'll take Lady Gaga then.

[B]

She was awesome on silent live. You went silent live this weekend.

[C]

No, I didn't.

[B]

That's what I watched in Chad interrupt.

[C]

Did you.

[A]

See the old Q would have been out trying to find Lady Gaga at a party with.

[B]

Yeah, I know. The new Q's got to get a flight in four hours. The clocks jump ahead.

[A]

Can you imagine if I ever told you, at some point, BQ is going to be afraid of the clock.

[C]

An hour.

[A]

An hour. It's going to affect his entire life.

[C]

I would have put him out of his misery on the spot. Right.

[A]

All right, so I have the Beatles, Spice Girls, Michael Jackson, Bowie, Amy Winehouse. Is that five, One, two, three. Yes. Brian has Elton. The who, Billy Joel, Janis Joplin, and Lady Gaga. Bq, Rolling Stones, Bob Marley, Bruce Springsteen, Aretha Franklin, and Sinatra. All right, get them. Give us how many songs are on there?

[C]

Queen.

[A]

I forgot about Queen, though. Can I change one way? I'm gonna take Amy Winehouse off. I know he doesn't.

[C]

Someone else is just as current as Amy Whitehouse.

[A]

Beyonce. That's a bad.

[B]

That's a bad sign. Yeah, yeah. We're not doing good right off the bat. Daddy Lumba.

[C]

Never even heard of him. He's probably gonna go into like all this, like obscure music, like cultural music, you know.

[A]

It was some assistant who picked this. Yeah, he said, look, give me a 20 year old.

[B]

But I heard he DJed, like he talked his memories through.

[C]

He's saying here that he danced to the music of Gandhin singer Daddy lumba.

[A]

It's a 2018, so it's kind of recent.

[B]

Mira Makeba. Don't know that one. You just scroll again a little bit. Diana Ross. That makes sense. There you go.

[A]

Boy, you turn.

[B]

The locomotion.

[C]

Is up here. Man, he's corny.

[A]

Oh, the Bee Gees. They're British too. I forgot about them.

[B]

Kylie Minogue, great body.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

He probably just fell in love with her that way that. It's not just a list of the songs anywhere.

[C]

That's what he's trying to find.

[B]

What do you think about a king doing this? Like a King DJing?

[C]

Proper behavior.

[A]

I mean, it's. It's pretty fucked up.

[C]

Wait, did they say Marlin?

[A]

These motherfuckers making a playlist?

[B]

Yeah, you think so? What can he do? What can he do?

[A]

Concentrate on something a little bit more important.

[C]

There's one that said, oh, that's brokering.

[A]

Peace between Ukraine and Russia, maybe.

[B]

You think he can do that?

[C]

He's the guy.

[A]

Here.

[B]

Putin.

[A]

Here's my playlist.

[B]

Here we go. Here we go.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Bob marley. Boom.

[A]

Oh, BQ's got a point on the board.

[B]

Daddy Lumba. DeVito. Who are these people?

[A]

Grace Jones, Michael Buble.

[B]

Oh, Pam. That's it. Those are them. We've only one.

[C]

Only one we got. Wow.

[A]

You won, Q.

[B]

It doesn't feel like much of a victory. I'm taking my lumps today, so I'll take it. What a weird list.

[A]

I don't think he made this list. You know what, though? He's probably a very weird man.

[B]

He's got. He has to be, right?

[A]

You can't be normal living your life in Buckingham Palace.

[B]

I'm not mad about it. And if. I'm not saying. If I was him, I wouldn't love it, but it's just gotta be a weird existence, man. Like just human. Veal. It's like, you can't leave your cage. Everybody's always looking at you.

[C]

Everybody's always being judged.

[B]

Always being judged.

[C]

Every own family, like your own mom is like, hey, yeah, Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I don't know if I've ever heard his voice. I wonder what his voice. It's got to be super posh, right?

[C]

Things Fancy.

[B]

He's got to speak the most correct king's English of all time. Fascinating guy. All right, well, I really made such.

[C]

A big deal about him with Camilla Parker Bulls, the woman he's still with. Right. If I'm not mistaken. Yeah.

[B]

The tampons.

[C]

He's like, yeah, I want you to be. I want you to use me as your tampon.

[B]

I've never heard that one before.

[C]

I never heard it ever since.

[B]

That is a new one on me.

[A]

He should be proud because that he was the only person probably has ever coined that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, you know, took a little heat. It took a little heat, but it's still like. It's still a dog move. Something. That dog would say, you're right.

[B]

You know, the respect. I had friends that were like. That would, like, talk about, like, going down on their girls when they had their period and stuff.

[C]

The red wings.

[B]

Yeah, red wings. And I'd be like, are you nuts? I don't care, man.

[C]

I love pussy that much.

[B]

That's how much I love it, man. I have. I have and have, unfortunately, still friends like that. So. So I guess it's really the same, kind of. But yeah.

[A]

And he's so posh now, is he?

[B]

He's still posh. You know, those. Those. Those old Brits back in the day were always pervy. Wasn't that always. It always their. Their thing?

[C]

Yeah. You got that one Prince Andrew guy now running around.

[B]

No, I think he's. I think he's criminally, like. I don't think that's pervy. He's got to stay in England. Yeah. But, like, half of England was brothels back in the day.

[C]

Hmm.

[B]

So whatever happened with Jack, the river was. Did they have whatever. Like, it is him. Did that story evolve in a way that was definitive?

[A]

To get him was that definitive or no? Get him saying no, that we kind of were fed a curveball and that the person who claimed it had ulterior motives.

[C]

It's like Zodiac. Once every couple years, it's like, my dad was the Zodiac or my neighbor was the Zodiac. And then it turns out, like, maybe. But who knows?

[A]

I think they caught Zodiac, though. Didn't. Or is he still on salt. He's still not.

[C]

I thought he was still on Zodiac.

[B]

I thought they broke his codes. Right.

[A]

Genial DNA was actually used. Was that or is that the Golden State guy?

[C]

That was a Golden State guy who got the familial DNA.

[B]

Yeah. Let's see his says not. As of today, the Zodiac Killer has not been definitively open.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Every once in a while they say it, though.

[B]

I wonder if. Can people get away with that stuff anymore?

[A]

What, serial killing? Well, on that level, I think it's much harder now.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

I think. Yeah. With all the advances in technology, cameras being cameras alone. Yeah, it's gotta be.

[B]

It's hard out there for a serial killer.

[A]

It's gotta be more difficult to go unnoticed.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Unless you're like. Unless you're one of these guys. You're one of these serial killers. That's all like, on the like. Truckers have a perfect occupation for serial killing. You know, it's like you're in Florida one day and then you're in Illinois the next. By the time they find the body, if you've secreted it.

[B]

Well, usually the bodies, though, are prostitutes, though.

[C]

Usually. Yeah.

[A]

So that makes your makes even more difficult. I think it makes it because all the girls know each other and they kind of look out for each other.

[C]

Yeah, that did happen with this guy who was a cop, I think it was in Nevada. It was a guy who was killing girls and they were like, yeah, it's this guy. He's a creepy guy. He's in a truck and blah, blah, blah. And one of his co workers was like, well, my buddy has a truck like that. And like, they had to arrest him, you know, like, they got like. They had to look into it, and then it turned out like it was him. Cop killing. Killing girls, Killing hookers and stuff.

[B]

That's horrible, man. Yeah, like that. That's the type of thing that you're like, my friend did. What?

[C]

Yeah, yeah. And as a hooker, it's like, come on. Like, I don't got it bad enough.

[B]

I know. I mean, I wonder if, like, hookers are like, I fucking knew this was going to happen at some point or.

[C]

Yeah, you gotta be ready for it. Somebody getting rough with you at least.

[B]

I know it sounds like an unfun life.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, that's not what HBO showed us in the bunny rants. Made it. They made it look fun.

[A]

Did you see Daredevil?

[B]

I did.

[A]

What, you think I liked it? I like the second episode. First episode was pretty good.

[B]

Second episode, It Went hard that first.

[A]

Episode and then they went real.

[B]

I don't really remember the second episode. So there you go.

[A]

It was the White Tiger.

[B]

Oh, it did have that funny line though when he was like he didn't have his mystical amulet on him that made me laugh out loud. I was like, oh, that is fucking funny.

[A]

Now.

[B]

I don't know whether it was intentional or not, but I was like, you.

[A]

Were you familiar with the White Tiger? Because this was a character that I grew up with.

[B]

I'm familiar with him. I wouldn't say I have an affinity for him, but I know who he is.

[A]

He did have a mystical amulet. Yeah, he was.

[B]

No, no, I know, that's what I'm saying. I think it was funny that he.

[A]

I was surprised that they cast an actor who was so old to play the role of the White Tiger because in the comics he was a teenager. It was the Sons of the Tiger were three or four martial artists who broke up and they each had a mystical amulet, a tiger's head. And then I think three paws or four paws. And they threw them all out. They broke up. They just threw them in an alley in a garbage can in an alley. And then this. Hector was the guy, was the kid's name. And he grabbed the amulets and put them all on and became the White Tiger.

[B]

Oh, wow. All right.

[A]

And. But he was a young kid, basically. He was like 16, 17 years old. So I was surprised that they made the White Tiger. So, you know, a middle aged man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I heard this actor passed away. My wife told me that, oh, get out of here. He was a soap opera star. And she said, oh, he passed away, that guy. So I don't know if he got to finish his role or not.

[B]

It doesn't seem like it's going to be a super big role anyway.

[A]

I don't think so. I think it's the season. I think it's part of the arc is like him defending the White Tiger and trying to get him off the bogus charges, right?

[B]

Yeah, I guess so. Like I said, I don't remember that second episode all that much.

[C]

So.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That tells a lot, right? If you can't remember, it was less than a week ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or exactly a week ago that it came out.

[B]

I might have had the volcano going. So you don't know. You don't want to put it just on. But it was, it was.

[A]

Were you shocked in the first 15 minutes, what happened?

[B]

He. I, I mean, I think I've read that storyline before. Didn't he didn't that happen in the comics?

[A]

I have never seen. I went. By the time I checked out a current comics, I had not seen that happen.

[B]

It happens in the comics, and he comes back and he's. He. There's a whole thing of, like. Sorry. There's a whole thing of, like. Of. Of Foggy being in that state and on the run a little bit or something like that. I wonder if. But he definitely died here.

[A]

Did you? Yeah. Can we talk about it? Or is it weak?

[B]

I don't know. I don't know where to end.

[A]

But did you, like. Like when Bullseye live through such a fall?

[B]

Hold on one second.

[A]

You have to cut this out, Brian.

[C]

Sorry.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

I'm literally saying, stop texting me.

[A]

You put it on do not disturb.

[B]

No, I didn't. I never thought of that, buddy. All right. There we go. Okay. All right. Sorry about that, Ken. I didn't mean to snap at you like that. Apologize, buddy.

[A]

Oh, you snapped in him. What'd you say?

[C]

That's not a snap. You. You haven't seen a snap.

[A]

I missed it. I was looking at my phone.

[B]

It's going off, and he's. And he's like. He's like, why don't you put it on do not disturb? And I'm like, yeah, I never thought of that. Oh, yeah, that's nothing.

[C]

That's what I call tiptoeing around. Get him.

[A]

Those are what's called kid gloves.

[B]

But.

[A]

Did you like that?

[B]

Sorry, dad.

[A]

Bullseye could survive a fall from top of a building.

[B]

I like it better than killing Bullseye, you know?

[A]

Right.

[B]

So it's one of those comic book things that I'm just gonna deal with.

[A]

It's very comic booky that he would be able to survive that. But, boy, when you spend so much time trying to ground everything in reality, that's a tough one to swallow.

[B]

Four story fall, like face down. Yeah.

[C]

He's a regular guy.

[A]

Well, in the comic, he. He is just a regular guy, but then he gets an adamantium skeleton.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Have they done that yet in the series? I. I mean, it's been so long.

[B]

Maybe this is how he gets it.

[A]

Yeah, but he was alive only a year later in court, remember?

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah. A year later, they pick up, and Bullseye's in court, and that's when Karen comes back to see him. They say it's a full year later.

[B]

I don't remember that.

[A]

Dude, you got to get rid of that volcano. It's having horrible, horrible ramifications.

[B]

Oh, I thought you're talking about A comic book storyline. Yes. When Karen came back and stuff like that. Yeah.

[A]

So it'd only been a year later, and he looked fine for.

[B]

For the. All for adamantium infusion.

[A]

If he had. If that's what happened to him.

[B]

That's a comic book, man. Yeah. I still love Colin Farrell's Bullseye.

[A]

I barely remember it.

[B]

I remember it so well. I thought I loved it. I know at the time, people hated it and they thought it was corny, but I was like, I loved it. He had a bullseye on his forehead, and he kept pointing to it, Bullseye, Bullseye. And you're like, I don't know. I like that one. I think I remember liking the Ben Affleck Daredevil. I don't remember hating it. Like, everybody did. The soundtrack was corny as fuck. But, like, I don't know. I kind. I kind of thought he made a good Daredevil.

[A]

I didn't think it was terrible. I didn't think it was all that good, but it wasn't. It was serviceable.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There was things that I definitely would have changed. There was things I did like, and there was. There was things I didn't like.

[C]

But.

[A]

But I think that, you know, Charlie Cox has made it.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

He owns it now. And it's. It's his.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Now, how many times did you see the Ben Affleck Daredevil?

[A]

Two times.

[C]

Two times. Like, I. I don't know how you remember from movies like that.

[A]

Like, it's hard.

[B]

It's from a time when the superhero movies weren't coming out like they were now. So you took what you can get. There he is.

[C]

Bullseye.

[B]

Bullseye. He killed that woman on the plane by popping a peanut in her throat because. Just because she was coughing.

[A]

It's hard to believe that's the Penguin, right?

[B]

Yeah. Right? Yeah, you're right. Fuck. He's got a whole complicated.

[C]

Now, you didn't see the Penguin, right?

[B]

I did.

[C]

Oh. Did you recommend.

[B]

I liked it. Yeah.

[C]

I've heard that it's like kind of like a mob thing. Like, if you take the Penguin, remove the Penguin and put, like, a regular guy. Yeah.

[B]

Him being the Penguin almost has nothing to do with anything, like. Yeah, yeah. It's. It's. It was good. I thought it was really well done.

[C]

Started watching the Last of Us on Chuck's recommendation. Well, you didn't like it.

[B]

Me and Chuck disagree a little bit.

[C]

Disagree on this, huh?

[B]

Yeah, we disagree a little bit. I like the game.

[C]

Series.

[B]

I didn't fall in love like, everybody Else did. What episode are you on?

[C]

I'm on the second one.

[B]

Okay, talk to me after the third one.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, they did this thing where it's like they broke away from the story. Did you watch Righteous Gemstones?

[C]

Yes. The new season. That.

[B]

Fuck, dude, the first episode is so fucking good.

[C]

Is it?

[B]

And it does, right. What the third episode of Last of Us does not do, right? Which is like, break away from the main story, tell a separate storyline. But fucking dude. Everybody, dude. I don't know. It was well acted. It was fine. It was well written. But I was like, why the third episode of a series? You're breaking away from a main character for a love story. You're like, what the fuck is.

[C]

Oh, it's a love story, dude.

[B]

You're like, what is this, man?

[C]

Like, what?

[B]

Where are the zombies? But that was my frustration with it.

[C]

Am I the only one who thinks Pedro Pascal should give other people a chance?

[B]

It's gonna be Mr. Fantastic.

[C]

Yeah, I know. I just saw that. I was watching a bunch of trailers, and I saw that he's in that, too. And it's like, he's in everything. He's in all the Star wars stuff, right?

[A]

Or at least he's the Mandalorian, right?

[B]

He is the Mandalorian, yeah.

[A]

I think when you have an opportunity, you take it. You turn nothing down, because eventually Hollywood stops calling.

[C]

Yeah, I like doing narcos a lot. He was really good in that.

[B]

I didn't see Narcos.

[C]

Oh, it's great.

[A]

You know, ask all the actors who are hot at one point. You know, at some point, they'll stop calling you and they in. It's what have you done for me now? Not what have you done for me in the past? And they'll forget them. So you take. Get.

[C]

If you're good enough, though. Like, you know, people, like, if you're a Bill Murray type. Yeah, people, like, died out, come out.

[B]

And he's an icon. He's a legend, you know?

[C]

Yeah, true.

[B]

That's kind of different. But I like Pet. Yeah. I like Pedro, though.

[C]

I like him, too. He's. He's in a lot.

[B]

Yeah, he's in a lot. When he got cast in Mr. Fantastic, I was. I was like. I was like, I do like the guy. I wouldn't have picked him for that, but I like him. So we'll wait and see. Yep.

[A]

Yeah, I like that attitude. Wait and see.

[B]

Wait and see on that one. Yeah.

[C]

Wait and see.

[B]

I felt like the people who made the last.

[C]

And I knew it.

[B]

The people who made the Last of Us, I feel, didn't want to make a zombie show.

[C]

No.

[B]

Yeah, like, I think they were like, it's one of those genre shows where they're like embarrassed that they're making zombies still. And. Yeah, you're like, guys don't make zombie shows if they, if you, if you want to do two full episodes are turned over to romances. Full episodes.

[C]

And you're just not short episodes either.

[B]

No. And it's just like, guys, what are we doing? You guys? Every second I watch these two fall in love. You could have had zombies eating people. Like. And don't you understand the show I'm trying to watch here?

[C]

Yeah, you're right. It does seem like they're trying to veer away from like, they're not zombies. They're like fungus guys, which is cool.

[B]

That's fine. Like, that's an alright take because in the game it's so well done. And the zombie. The clickers. Did you get to the clickers yet? Yeah, those are so creepy in the game. Like they got a lot right in the show and I like the casting.

[A]

But you don't like the romance though, huh? You can't find romance in a. In a world where funkus zombies are running around.

[B]

I think it shouldn't be the third episode of a series where the two main characters just got together at the end of the second episode and then the third episode, instead of watching them do their thing. You're in a fucking romance and you never see a zombie.

[A]

I used to think like you. I used to be in the same way what I wanted, what I thought I wanted until. But the Office turned me around and I was like, I like romance.

[B]

I like romance.

[A]

Jim and Pam really turned me a new fantastic side to me that I was just like, I would. I want more romance in everything I watch.

[B]

Yeah, I hear you and I see the sincerity in your face, but.

[A]

But I love that romance.

[B]

That's fine though. But look at, look at, look at the, look at the method that they're delivering her to. It's a sitcom. It's about people, you know what I mean, who are working together. It's not about a fucking zombie apocalypse. Which again, again, like whom? I'm not saying that nobody can ever make a great romance set, but if that should have been the fucking seventh episode, not the third, I don't know. Look, do whatever you fucking want. People, obviously they have a show on their hands. They don't need to advice from me.

[C]

Well, something like the Office 2. You have and I think it was done. Even though I don't like Jim and Pam, I do think it was done. Well, you have eight seasons to let it unfold.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Where it's like you say already on episode three, they're trying to force the.

[B]

Romance and it impacts the story. Not even a moment. If you don't watch that episode, nothing changes. It's fucking wild. It's fucking nuts.

[C]

That sucks. Well, I think Chuck's a romantic guy. That's why he likes it.

[B]

So I talked about this. He does have a different perspective on it than me.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Which is fine. Which is. Hey, man. You know what I mean? Not everything's for me.

[A]

No. And it never will be.

[B]

No.

[C]

No.

[B]

Who cares if fucking two out of eight hours of a zombie experience a fucking love story said nobody gives a shit about. Sure. Sure. Sounds great. Let's keep doing it. Season two, let's watch it. Nonsense. Q.

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[B]

All right.

[C]

Did you see that? I was. Well, you're an artist. I'm curious about what you think about this? There was an artist in, I think it was Germany, Denmark. Three little pigs were rescued from the big bad wolf. Three piglets that were left to starve to death as a part of a shocking art exhibit in Denmark have been stolen and saved from the horrific fate thanks to a 10 year old girl begging her father to come to the rescue.

[A]

He used real pigs in the art display?

[C]

Yep. You want to see him? There they are. Three little piggies.

[A]

Yeah, that's. That's grotesque.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. So the.

[B]

I heard about this. I thought the artist had a clever point. Obviously don't agree with that, but he's like, he was like, 10,000 pigs die a day in horrible conditions. And you care about these three. That was his point.

[C]

Now you care is the name of the exhibit.

[B]

I don't agree. Like, obviously I think it's repulsive to do this and, and it's horrible. But I think the point he's trying to make is like, oh, wow. Like that's pretty. He's kind of right.

[A]

If you think about it, are they dying for. For. For. For food?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Food reasons.

[A]

So that's always the tricky.

[B]

But I think it's a way that they're dying is horrific. And this guy's point now, do you eat pork? I. I really don't. Not out of any time.

[C]

He had all that bacon and really dead.

[B]

That was the last time.

[C]

That was the last time.

[B]

Yeah. But I mean, I'd love to drop kick this guy off a fucking building for trying to do that to the pigs. But I do understand the point he's trying to make.

[C]

Do you think, because I was thinking about this, it says to make his point, the native Chilean. Oh, come on. You. The native Chilean constructed a cage of hay and shopping carts, trapping a tree of adorable piglets inside with the express purpose of allowing them to starve to death. But the tiny pigs have been given a second chance at life after the conscience of a friend of the artist prevailed over the unsavory demonstration. So I was thinking about it. Do you think that he knew the whole time that nobody's gonna let these pigs starve to death? I mean, I'm just trying to raise awareness about factory.

[B]

I never thought about that before. And if that is true, then this guy really is fucking playing chess while I'm playing checkers. Right. Why not? Right? He gets the point. Of course, without hurting the pigs, it's.

[A]

Probably what he happened.

[B]

Yeah. All right. Suddenly I'm on board with this guy's method.

[C]

So he was Surprised to find out that his friend was part of the jailbreak. But he was able to find a silver lining. He had to shut down the whole exhibition. And he was very disappointed when Casper told me that he was involved in the theft. But then I thought about it for a few hours and realized at least this way the piglets would have a happy life. Yeah, artists are weird people, man. They do weird shit for art, you know? Like, I remember this guy in Eric's, like, when Eric was in college, my brother Eric, he took a picture of his girlfriend, like, taking a shit on the toilet without her permission, and then, like, went to his art class and put it up on this huge screen in front of everybody. And she was in the art class.

[B]

Just an.

[C]

It's like an.

[A]

That's beyond. That's. That's criminal act.

[C]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What was her reaction?

[C]

She was unhappy. She was very unhappy. I don't think she broke up with the guy, if I remember correctly. But she was. She was another weirdo, like, hippie type. So I guess she wasn't as upset as your average person might be. The.

[B]

The.

[A]

The invasion of privacy alone is just like, how can you ever.

[C]

Right.

[A]

How can you ever talk to that person again and not be without having. Being.

[C]

Remember when you did that?

[B]

Just being so, like, you hit a camera in a room where I was taking a. What does it matter with you? What is wrong with you?

[C]

Oh, yeah. It says here about. This is a lot. About 25,000 piglets die each day on Danish farms from starvation because sows are bred to have litters of about 20 piglets while only being equipped with 14 teats.

[A]

How many die a day?

[C]

25,000.

[A]

25,000. That would be. So in two weeks, it's like a quarter of a million.

[C]

Wait a second.

[B]

25,000 a day?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

That's not possible.

[B]

That's a scale of misery. That's. That's unbelievable that that's going on on the planet that we live on.

[A]

25,000 a day.

[C]

That's what it says. About 25,000 piglets die each day on Danish farms from starvation because sows are bred to have litters of 20 piglets.

[A]

Not even for food purposes. They're just cost.

[B]

They grow more than they need and they let the ones that don't need starve, that is.

[C]

Yeah. Those are probably the weaker ones, right?

[B]

Crazy.

[C]

And Denmark produces roughly 28 million pigs annually from 5,000 pig farms.

[B]

Oh, these poor pigs.

[C]

Pigs. About 90% of those pigs are exported, accounting for more than 5% of total exports, making the industry vital for the Danish economy. So if they don't have those pigs, they're in trouble.

[B]

There's not a good way to do.

[A]

This in 40 days. A million piglets died in million piglets in 40 days.

[B]

Oh, man. That's just in. That's just in one country.

[C]

That's just in. In Denmark. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, man.

[C]

Makes you feel guilty, doesn't it?

[B]

It makes you feel horrible. I feel horrible right now.

[A]

Yeah, tell them, Steve. Dave.

[C]

I looked down at the timer just to see if we were in a good place.

[A]

All right, so 25,000 times 365. What is that number? Is that 9 million?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

9 million a year.

[B]

That's.

[A]

Where do they do it? What?

[C]

Yeah, like, where do they get the. What do they do with them? I guess they just.

[A]

They feed them back to the pigs.

[C]

Probably feed them back to the pigs. You're right. And that's how they get those brain diseases and shit.

[B]

Oh, man.

[C]

Mad pig disease.

[B]

Fucking bummer, man. Where's my volcano? This is why I need that fucking thing at my side. I can't think. Like, I can't think about this. Oh, man. One of my outdoor cats showed up this morning with a fur missing on the side of his face. I guess he got into a fight or something and I was like, so, like, what do I do? What do I like? I was so, like, upset and worried about it. Like, I thought that was bad. Right now I feel so horrible.

[C]

Millions of piglets.

[B]

Oh, little piggy.

[C]

Piglets.

[B]

So cute.

[A]

They're smart, too.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And people keep pigs as pets, and I know how smart they can be.

[B]

Well, aren't they, like, the third smartest animal on the planet or something?

[C]

Like that's the smartest animal on the planet, I think.

[B]

Dolphins, right?

[A]

I thought it was orangutans.

[B]

All right, this is going to be fun.

[C]

Let's say pigs are intelligent.

[A]

I don't think they're smart.

[C]

And clean.

[A]

I don't think they're as smart as a dolphin. I heard dolphins are like next level chimps.

[C]

Dolphins, orangutans, elephants, ravens, crows, orcas, pigs, octopuses, rats, and African grey parrots are known for their advanced problem solving skills, communication abilities, and complex social schematics.

[B]

Pigs. High learning ability, capable of complex tasks and good spatial awareness. Oh, man. Well, all right. Let's keep killing them, I guess. Let's keep starving them to death. It sounds good.

[A]

Oh, I mean, well, so what? And when you add on the ones that have to die for to get on the Grocery shelves. How many die a day then? You're not even counting the ones that die just to go on your grocery shelf?

[B]

I don't know, man.

[A]

The ones that go to the restaurants.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's just like. Yeah. How many are actually dying a day then? That's. Yeah. That is a.

[B]

It's a staggering, horrific.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is going on around us. It's horrible. Yeah. Well, I try not to eat pork really? Anymore.

[A]

Yeah. I don't. I haven't eaten pork in decades. But I eat other things, though, that are probably. Are just as bad, though. Beef, chicken.

[B]

Yeah, chicken. I try at least to do like, they like the free range chickens and stuff like that that, you know, you got to pay a little more for to get it. But I'll try. I'll try and do that, but, you know, it's.

[C]

None of it.

[B]

Feels like you're doing enough.

[A]

No.

[C]

Because it's one person. Yeah. It seems it's pretty much nothing except for your own personal beliefs, morals. Whatever.

[B]

Makes me want to get a pet pig.

[C]

Yeah. They grow big, though. Remember the.

[A]

My brother in law had a pet pig.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. He loved it. Loved it. He lived a long time, too.

[B]

I could do it.

[A]

Very smart. Yeah, I think you would. I mean, are you zoned for pig out there?

[B]

I don't know. I don't know.

[A]

I'm sure you could grease a couple palms.

[B]

It was gonna bother me.

[C]

Hope not. Seeing some of the girls he's brought home, man. Oh, my God. Do you need a special permit for pigs? I know you do.

[B]

For chickens, I think livestock you need.

[A]

Yeah. I bet you they fall under a different category, though, than a cat or a dog, though.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Doug Stanhope bought me a goat once. Do you remember? Bought me a goat named a Quinn and then.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And they were in the process of shipping it to New York when I was like, no. I had got caught wind of it, and I was like, guys, know you cannot send me a goat. I have nowhere to put this.

[C]

Those. Those things are cool, though. Like those little baby goats, man. They're like always button you and.

[B]

And like, oh, I love watching the videos and I'm running up and butting people.

[A]

What about if you get one of those little. Those little pigs that don't really grow that big. I don't know what they're called now.

[B]

I think that turned out to be a scam. I think they all get big.

[A]

Oh, they really are.

[B]

Yeah. It was like they were like, you rich people. Yeah.

[A]

Teacup, Y' all taking a tea Cup.

[B]

Yeah, I would love it. We love all.

[A]

It's going to be your birthday. Why don't you. Why don't you give yourself little Treat.

[B]

Myself to a pig.

[C]

What do you think the cats would do?

[B]

Boris would have a new best friend.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Brooklyn would be afraid and chassis wouldn't give a. I think they'd be all right with it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I think they would. Yeah. I don't know. Hmm. But yeah. What's going on? So that's it. What are we doing? Where are we? What are you guys up to? I haven't seen you in two weeks.

[C]

Two weeks. Yeah, it's true. I haven't seen you in two weeks. What have you been doing, Walt?

[A]

What have I been doing?

[C]

Yeah. Like when you. When you stay home, what do you do?

[A]

When I stay home, what do I do? Yeah.

[C]

Geez, I wonder about you sometimes.

[A]

What do I do? I'm trying to think right now. I don't know if I do anything. I. Yeah, I mean, I try to coordinate things for the Patreon. That's a bitch. Trying to constantly get people's free dates that they're available.

[C]

Unless it's me.

[A]

Yes, you're easy. You're pretty easy. Watch tv. Go out with the dogs. Go out to eat. There's really not. I mean, what else is there to do?

[C]

There's nothing to do right now that it's nice. I wish I give you a little quarter to talk about the weather, Q. Since it's so nice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You had to turn it all around, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Warm weather.

[B]

My mood is. Yeah, well, I'm back to shooting. So I'm with all my friends. It's like I'm back in high school again. And then like you get out of work, it's like 5:30, the sun's still up. It's 60 something degrees. I'm skipping around Manhattan. I'm feeling pretty good, you know. Good. Yeah. Feel alright.

[A]

Birthdays are coming, birthdays coming.

[C]

How do you feel about it? Like. Like just like right. Like right on the precipice of 50.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Feel old.

[B]

It. It. I feel older. I. I feel older. I don't know, you know, I imagine you guys felt the same way where it's just like, oh, I don't feel like a kid anymore. But the number, it doesn't bother me. The number doesn't bother me at all. I am finding some comfort. I never thought. I never would have thought this would have. I would say the sentence but like the idea that I'm going to die one Day and relatively soon, you know what I mean? Like, has taken a lot of fear and pressure off me in a way that I'm like, well, fucking. Really? All I got to do is worry about the next 20 years and then I'll probably be dead. You know what I mean? It's like there's, there's. I'm not even talking about the world. I'm talking like, like my career. Like if you told me jokers and I never did another fucking thing again at 50 something, whenever the show ends, I'm like, I don't give a fuck, who cares where. If I was in like my 30s, I'd be like, no, I got 40 years to like, I gotta look after myself and shit like that. Like now it's like, that's removed. Like the idea that I gotta prove myself is removed. The idea that my, like, battling days are behind me. You know what I mean?

[A]

What does that mean?

[C]

No more battles for you.

[A]

Yeah, that's interesting.

[B]

You know, you're a young man. You want to make a name for yourself. You want it, you want to go out and you want to. You gotta, you know, stake your claim in this world.

[A]

But it's interesting you called it battling, though.

[B]

Yeah, you find that interesting?

[A]

Yeah, it's interesting that, like, making a name for yourself, you would refer to it as battling.

[B]

I think it's a tough world out there, man.

[C]

There was no easy road to jokers.

[B]

Not even jokers.

[C]

Anything.

[B]

Even the fire department, like, anything.

[C]

That's true.

[B]

Like, anything. Like, it's a tough world. It's hard. It's hard to make money these days especially, you know what I mean? And it's like, you know, when you're young and you don't have your future laid out yet, I think that's pretty scary. Or I remember it being scary. And then throughout my middle age, like, there was that notion of, like, wow, we got this thing and like, how long can we keep it going? And then it just keeps going. I'm just obviously talking about me. Yes. And then. And then, you know, I hit the agent. I'm like. And then it's just like, like it's this weird thing of, like, knowing that my death is coming. It's not around the corner, but it's like, you know, it's not four blocks away either, you know? And that's like kind of shaping what I want to do with my time and how I see what I want to do with myself from day to day. It's interesting.

[C]

It's like Fight Club. I Can't remember the exact quote, but it's like, you must realize that one day you're going to die. Until you realize this, you're useless.

[B]

Yeah. And it's a good line. And it's like my answer comes comes back. It's clearly every time I want to spend time with my friends and family. I want to have fun.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, like, that's literally all it becomes. And I know guys, especially in my business, who are like, no, I want to be famous. No, I want to be rich. No, I want to do that. You know what I mean? Like, I want to be. I want to sell out the garden. You know what I mean? Like, shit like that. And you're like, well, so speaking of someone that sold out the garden, like it fucking the next day, it don't matter. You know what I mean?

[C]

Like somebody else sold out the garden.

[B]

Exactly. It's like, it's funny and it. I'm just liking that my priorities are landing on the side of I just want to spend time doing fun stuff with people I love. I think that's.

[A]

That's good.

[B]

Yeah. I think that's a good thing.

[A]

That's a healthy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Way to approach it.

[B]

Yeah. And that's what the Key west thing was all about. Like, it's 100 that, like, just.

[A]

When is that? What are the dates for that again?

[B]

That's April. It's sold out.

[A]

Sold out.

[B]

It's April 4th through the 7th, I think.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

4Th, 5th and 7th.

[A]

4Th, 5th and 6th.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know.

[C]

People are very excited for that. I see, I see a lot on Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it.

[B]

Yeah. I've been working. I got some more people signing on that we're not even announcing.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Because it's like, you know, we already sold the tickets, so we'll just surprise people.

[C]

But just saw Joe and Bergio will be down there.

[B]

Joe Burgio down there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm excited about that. Yeah. I don't know. So anyway, that's how. I don't know if that answers your question of how I feel about approaching 50, but there's a philosophical bend to it all for me, I think.

[A]

No, I mean, everybody approaches it differently. Some people have, you know, panic and they do things that are. What's it called, the midlife crisis kind of move.

[C]

And these jerk offs that go out and get like a young bride sports car.

[B]

I mean, I get that too. I mean, I get it. It's not like that. That's a bad time. Yeah. I don't know. Like, what did you guys. Was there any difference. Anything I'm saying ringing in with you guys who are already on the other side of it, or is it.

[A]

It's, you know, your career, though, it has been so super successful, though, that it's, you know, you're. You've hit all the. All the crescendos, all the. All the things you wanted to hit.

[C]

Like all these benchmarks.

[A]

Yeah. You've done it all. You've gotten all of it. So you have a. More of a.

[C]

You.

[A]

You. You can look it with it with pride. And you did this. You did this. I did this.

[B]

You know, But I think I would have felt this way even with the fire department, because I respect that so much that I felt like an. Like an equal accomplishment to anything else, really.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know if personally, though, if I have those kind of, like, professional achievements, though, so I'm still. I still feel like I need.

[B]

I mean, you had a TV show for seven seasons.

[C]

Yeah, but professional artist.

[B]

You've done comic books. You're a professional artist, and we do the same podcast together for 15 years.

[A]

Like, you didn't mention the podcast once, though.

[B]

It's not that different.

[A]

You didn't mention the podcast.

[B]

I was getting to it.

[A]

Yeah. Professionally, though, I think that, you know, you're. You're in a different. You're in a different zone. You've accomplished so much that you could look back and be like, yeah, I don't need, like. It's like Derek Jeter. What more can I got? What more do I got to do?

[B]

Sure. Yeah. I don't accept that comparison. I know what you mean.

[A]

He got the rings, he got the MVPs. You know, you can retire now with a sense of accomplishment.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know if I can professionally, if I can have that feeling. So I feel that there's a little. Always that something I want. Like, I want to write and draw my own comic book.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Something I've always wanted to do. So I think I better get fucking working on it.

[B]

That's good, though. Yeah.

[A]

I want to do it from. From, like, from. What's it called? From COVID to back cover.

[B]

That's amazing.

[A]

I want to do that, but I. I know it'll be only. But it won't be. I don't know, you know, just because of the. The world of comic books, and I have put out comic books. They've not set the world on fire. I don't think it'll be the thing that I'll be able to be like, okay, I did it. I achieved this with this.

[B]

Well, what are you doing if we'll achieve what? Because it sounded like you're success. Yeah, but the success is. That's the outcome. That's. That to me, like, I wouldn't worry.

[A]

About critical and chase that dude.

[B]

I think you just got to do stuff that's like. I think you got stuff that's rewarding no matter what the fucking. You had me in the beginning where you're like, I want to write from beginning to end the comic and do the art myself. That's the goal. That's what you can do.

[A]

Yes, but you've also mentioned in your eloquent. Yeah, I sold out Madison Square Garden.

[B]

If I put out how meaningless it was.

[A]

But, you know, it's not, though.

[B]

No, no, I'm telling you it is. No, no, no, I'm not.

[C]

I've heard him say it privately.

[B]

I'm not being humble. It's a. It's a cool fact that has zero impact. You know what I mean? Like, it. It doesn't. It doesn't. I. I'm sure there would be.

[A]

Would you want. What if it didn't sell out?

[B]

I don't think it would have. I think I would feel. I don't know. I think it would feel the same.

[A]

So if I. If I do write my right and draw my own comic book and it goes out in like 100 copies, sell worldwide, it. You can't equate it as a success, though. So that's the thing that I think you can.

[C]

Well, commercially, maybe.

[B]

Yeah, I think it's about what you got of the process. Like, I want to write a novel. It's like, do you? Yeah, I started. I started, like, working on one and beating it out and stuff. And I'm like, in no universe am I ever think it's gonna be a bestseller. But, like, it's the process. It's like, I fucking wrote a novel. I put this, you know, I put this out there in the world. I don't know. I hear what you're saying.

[A]

I think it'll, like, if I do it, I think I can do it. I think I've shown that I can. I can finish projects and get them done, but I think I'll always be chasing that. That coveted final like. Like that. Like, it's a success.

[C]

Walt's number one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, then you got to start working on the fourth one now. So you get that book done and out, and by the time that's Done. You're already working on the second one. Because it's not going to be the. It's going to be the. You know what I mean? Like, this is going to lead to this. You can't just put one out there and be like, here it is, everybody. Yeah. You know?

[A]

You know? Yes. Yeah.

[B]

So. But you have it in you. And it's like, again, that's. If you're loving doing it, it doesn't.

[A]

Yeah, I enjoy doing it. I mean, I have ideas.

[B]

Read what you. What you wrote and drew.

[A]

Yeah, I have ideas I want to do, but it's just a matter of sitting down and like finishing it, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And at the end of the day, you're like, what? You. You get that doubt in your mind, like, oh, it's a point. The state of the comic book world is so fucking.

[C]

It's on the Johnson family crest.

[A]

What's the point? The state of the comic book world is in such flux right now. You know, there was a listener who got War of the Undead and he liked it and gave me some compliments on it. But then. And he said in the. Like, he sent me an email saying, don't ever give up on your dream of doing a character I wanted to do for Marvel Comics. And it was nice of him to say that, but I don't even know if that is something like. I think comics have changed so much that the. Even if I got to work on a Marvel comic book character, I don't know if it would be as the cachet would be the same for me.

[B]

Even internally, to yourself?

[A]

Internally, to myself. Because it has. It's not the same.

[B]

It's a different industry.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like 25 years ago it would have meant.

[A]

It would have been like. Yeah, it would have been a Mount Everest type of achievement.

[B]

Comics was its own thing. It wasn't a means to an end for fucking movies to be strip lined.

[A]

And I don't mean I thought. I just, just. It's just my personal opinion on things that like, it just feels like it's such a different beast now that I don't know if it would have the same level of accomplish. It would be. It still be an accomplishment, but I don't know. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

[B]

It's good you're finding a man. You're feeling your way through it. I think it's. I think it's good.

[A]

I mean, it's something I've always wanted to do and I certainly don't.

[C]

I.

[A]

The only thing that gives me a little bit of confidence is all the things that have come out, like, in terms of like. But they're not real writing, though. It's like podcasts, like writing things and trying to get them like, done in like a. In a podcast setting. Yeah, that's not really writing, but it is still coming up ideas.

[B]

It's writing. Of course it is.

[A]

Well, you know what I mean, like characterization. It's just far different animal than, you know, Sunday Jeff needs to hit this ping pong ball with his sneaker or else he has to.

[B]

I hear you, man. I know you're saying, I know you're saying, but I would not put down that creativity, man. Like, we don't have the audience that we have because people don't find that entertaining.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, there's a little bit of that confidence. I think I could do this because I've done this, this and this. But then if. Even if I get it done though, I don't know if there's a world that even cares. Like the world won't care.

[C]

Is that what stops you? The fear of, like, people being like, ho hum?

[A]

It doesn't. No, no, it doesn't stop me, but it does make it, I don't know, like, it has changed so much the industry that I don't. I don't think it's possible for me at this point in my life to have put out something that's impactful to the current people who are interested in comics. And I think that may be a cop out though, on my part, though that may be me.

[B]

It might be a cop out. It might be true. I still think it doesn't matter either way.

[A]

You're right. Yeah, you're right. But I think with, you know, with the thing with Tim and his, you know, his diagnosis, it really put me be like, if I don't do it now, I better get. I mean, I might not get to it then.

[C]

You might not be able to get to it.

[A]

Yeah. So, you know, it really makes you prioritize and think about, you know, am I wasting time here watching kung Fu, you know, for four straight hours, or should I be doing something better at my time? Something like an. Achieve something.

[C]

Don't ever fucking say that about TV again.

[A]

It can still be on in the background. It can still be on in the background.

[B]

We need it.

[A]

Yeah, you need that noise, you know, but yeah, that's, you know, that's what I want to do though. I'm gonna work towards it. I'm gonna try to write and draw the Only thing I won't do is color it. I'm not a good colorist. I think I need somebody who knows what the fuck they're doing. Otherwise I want it to be just like the guys that. I love how they did it, you know, like John Byrne became, you know, he did all. Frank Miller did it all.

[B]

Yeah. You gotta do it, man.

[A]

I want to try and test and see if I can do it all.

[B]

You can. I think you gotta. You gotta.

[A]

Try.

[B]

I think it's great, man. I love to hear this from you.

[A]

What are you writing your novel about? Or can you give away? Is it just the subject matter? Like, not the side, but, like the genre fiction?

[B]

It's science fiction, science fiction, space comedy. It's not Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, because I never write anything that brilliant. But it's like, in that area.

[A]

Who wrote that? Have they ever made that into a movie?

[B]

Yeah, it was. It was a TV show, it was a radio thing. They made a movie out of it. The movie was, you know, because that.

[A]

Is such a beloved.

[B]

It's novel.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Those books are amazing. Yeah.

[A]

But do you have a. Do you have something that, like, that.

[B]

Did.

[A]

The recent things. Things that have happened recently in TSC 10. Has it motivated you to feel like I'm gonna do something?

[C]

It made me think a lot more. Yes. Yeah, it absolutely has. Because it's only when it's, like, for me anyway, it's only when it's in my face that I'm like, oh, this is. There's no fucking reason in the world why it would happen to Tim, but not to me. You know, like, you go through life thinking that way, like, that's kind of shit that happens to somebody else.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Until it happens to you and you.

[B]

Find out real quick that, like.

[C]

Oh, real fast.

[B]

No, this is just. Yeah.

[C]

Especially, like. I mean, not that I'm at, like such an advanced age, but 57 isn't young. So. Yeah, I feel like it's. I should be working on something.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

More and more I feel that way.

[A]

No matter what the motivation is. Like Q says, though, regardless of what it is, if you can find the motivation in some capacity, whether it be however you find it. I guess it's a good thing, though.

[B]

It's a thoughtful one. It's not a downer.

[A]

It shouldn't be.

[B]

I don't think it's. I don't. I think it's more thoughtful. Like we're in our heads, we're not down. We're. Yeah. But maybe. Yeah, it's not a downer. I don't know. Think it's a downer. It's a good thing.

[A]

It's a good thing.

[B]

It's a good thing, right? Tell us in there.