#645: Supa’ man

Summary

Tell 'Em Steve-Dave! Episode #645: "Supa’ man"

Release Date: July 20, 2025
Hosts: Walt, Brian, Q

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Overview

Episode #645 sees Walt, Brian, and Q dig into a thoroughly signature TESD mix of comic geek debate, personal stories, and irreverence. This week, the heart of the episode is an in-depth, spoiler-heavy review of the new 2025 "Superman" film from both die-hard and casual fan perspectives, with plenty of commentary on its many heroes, plot messiness, and the state of DC movies. The show opens with comedic ventriloquism banter, moves through memorializing their friend Tim at his wake, and closes with musings on Coldplay, Oasis, and viral side-piece snafus. Throughout, the trio deftly balances pop culture critique and authentic personal moments, sprinkled with colorful language and sharp wit.

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Key Segments & Takeaways

1. Ventriloquism & Lost Arts (00:00–09:30)

• The episode opens with the gang riffing on ventriloquism: its difficulties, faded celebrity, and what it takes to become a superstar ventriloquist in 2025.
• Brian doubts he’s ever seen truly convincing ventriloquism in real life:

  "I feel like anytime you're watching a ventriloquist... you have to kind of be nice to them and pretend you don't see their fucking lips moving." – Brian (02:15)

• Discussion of Jeff Dunham and Darcy Lynn as modern representatives of the craft. They speculate that ventriloquism, like much of entertainment, is facing too much competition for attention.
• Walt jokes the “ventriloquist lobby" will come after them (02:39).
• Q and Walt both attempt the classic “talk through your teeth” ventriloquism trick, quipping:

  “You can’t say Tell ‘Em Steve-Dave without touching two lips together.” – Walt (04:49)

Notable Quote

• "Maybe they just need a someone to rise, you know, and show the world just how great modern, cutting edge ventriloquism could be." – Brian (06:45)

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2. Reflecting on Tim’s Wake (34:00–23:01)

• The hosts commemorate the passing of their friend Tim (a "founding member of Monster Magnet" and beloved local rock figure), sharing stories and ruminations on the role of humor and ritual in grieving.
• Brian missed the wake due to a canceled flight and asks about it, prompting Q and Walt to describe the scene—well-attended with many from the "Tesi Town" community.
• They reflect on the oddity of wakes as social spaces:

  "It’s a mechanism to cope... but it is a very strange custom that human beings have put together about, you know, having a large group of people come together... to say something to the grieving family." – Walt (17:25)

• The importance of keeping things light is emphasized:

  "We've always said... at your funeral, you want your friends ripping on you. You know what I mean? Like, it just wouldn't feel right if, like, it wasn't present." – Brian (19:06)

• Lighthearted jokes about possible funeral pranks ensue (e.g., drawing a dick on Q's coffin with dry-erase marker).
• Discussion of how death-related customs can feel both comforting and absurd.

Memorable Moment

• Montage of old photos at the wake, including Walt and Tim in "Kiss regalia," confusing many attendees (15:39).

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3. Superman (2025) In-Depth Review (21:03–59:13)

Spoilers throughout — major focus of the episode

• Q, Walt, and Brian debate the new "Superman" movie. Each brings a different level of comic familiarity.
• Overall Reaction:
  • Brian: Enjoyed it overall, "had some quibbles," but thought it was fun with strong casting.
  • Walt: Praises new Superman’s likability but disliked the "convoluted" plot; thought the story was "a mess."
  • Q: As the least comic-aware, found it visually striking but hard to follow—struggled with all the new characters.
  • All three agree Krypto the Superdog was a highlight.
• Specific Character Takes:
  • Henry Cavill’s Superman was “grim” (“barely smiled”), whereas new actor is “friendly, likable” (23:10).
  • Hawkgirl’s design and presence is critiqued (“looked like a CW costume”, “she was one of the quibbles” — 25:08).
  • Mr. Terrific’s powers unclear:

    “He has balls that, that he controls...” – Walt (14:00, circled back to 23:46)

  • Praise for Guy Gardner and Metamorpho’s look (26:27, 37:06).
• Story Issues:
  • Too many characters with minimal introduction; movie feels like “part 12 of a 12 part series and we missed the first 11" – Walt (24:00).
  • The device of the world turning against Superman was rushed and reminiscent of “Man of Steel”:

    “Turning on Superman was a little bit too quick..." – Q (31:37)

  • Some plot elements were "clunky", e.g. the Middle East subplot and the “connect 4 prison in limbo” (26:04).
  • Walt and Q both amazed (not in a good way) at scenes like Lois Lane flying the spaceship.
• Positive Touches:
  • Krypto (the Superdog) is a standout.

    "If I had seen the dog for an hour and a half, I would have been fine." – Walt (34:44) "That's fucking Superman." – Brian, on Superman going to save Krypto (39:20)

  • The Kansas farm is now a modest ranch house—praised for down-to-earth feel (40:26).
  • The twist on Superman’s Kryptonian parents (“sinister, so dark, and a really clever twist”—40:40)
  • Subtle cameos like a possible Mxyzptlk reference amuse Brian (48:58).
• Meta Observations:
  • They lament DC’s continued struggle to top the original Christopher Reeve films:

    "In a world where you can do anything... OGs, those cats can sit back and smoke a victory fucking cigar..." – Walt (43:29)

  • Bits of comic Easter eggs are appreciated (“Steve Lombard,” “Kat Grant”).
• Grading:
  • Q: “Probably for story, I would have to give it a C... Visuals I'd give it an A... Probably a B overall.” (52:09)
  • Walt: "It would be like a five though... A little bit too much going on." (57:17)
  • Brian: Most enthusiastic; “I had a blast... there was no part... not happy to be in that theater.” (44:44)
• Lingering Debate: Is Lex Luthor still a viable adversary for Superman? Walt questions the believability in their match-up and whether the villain formula is past its prime (45:03).
• On Supporting Cast: Wish for more Perry White, better use of Hawk Girl, and stronger, more concise character intros (28:06, 55:00).
• Nostalgia & DC vs. Marvel:

  "It's a good time to be a comic book fan again..." – Brian (61:35)

  • Excitement for the teased "Fantastic Four" movie and Peacemaker Season 2.
  • Brief rumination on multiverses: “I wish the multiverse would go away for a little bit, though.” – Brian (67:04)

Timestamps for the Superman discussion:

• 21:03 — Superman review begins, initial reactions
• 23:10 — Differences with Cavill’s Superman and new actor
• 24:00 — Plot convolutions, character overload
• 25:08 — Hawkgirl critiques, subplots
• 26:27 — Pocket universe, Guy Gardner, Lex, and Middle East subplots
• 34:44 — “Just give me a Krypto movie”
• 39:20 — Superman’s self-sacrifice for Krypto, “That’s fucking Superman”
• 40:40 — Kryptonian parent twist
• 43:29 — “Donner still the gold standard”
• 48:58 — Mxyzptlk cameo
• 52:09 — Q’s grade/Brian, Walt closing remarks

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4. Coldplay, Cheating, and Music Taste (70:44–78:49)

• They discuss the viral video of a man “caught” at a Coldplay concert with his side piece via the Kiss Cam—agreeing that the panicked reaction made them look guilty.
• Walt, Q, and Brian riff on the social stigma of liking Coldplay vs. Oasis and Nickelback, with some confusion ("Do a lot of people confuse Oasis and Coldplay?") and tongue-in-cheek music snobbery.
• Walt claims:

  “When I think of those two bands, I kind of conflate them. Almost like Oasisplay… just one big band.” – Walt (74:39)

• During this section, Brian launches a mini-rant about Coldplay’s blandness and the difference between gritty, working-class Oasis and their softer contemporaries.
• The segment closes with the perennial TESD spirit—good-natured ribbing and self-admitted ignorance:

  "I think you're right. I don't know what I'm talking about." – Walt (79:00)

Notable Moment

• They jokingly debate who would win in a fight: Oasis or Coldplay, and Walt misconstrues both band memberships and styles for comic effect.

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Notable Quotes & Highlights (with timestamps)

• "You can’t say Tell ‘Em Steve-Dave without touching two lips together." – Walt (04:49)
• "Maybe they just need a someone to rise, you know, and show the world just how great modern, cutting edge ventriloquism could be." – Brian (06:45)
• "We've always said... at your funeral, you want your friends ripping on you." – Brian (19:06)
• "If I had seen the dog for an hour and a half, I would have been fine." – Walt (34:44)
• "That's fucking Superman." – Brian, on saving Krypto (39:20)
• “Donner still the gold standard.” – Walt (43:29)
• "When I think of those two bands, I kind of conflate them... just like one big band." – Walt (74:39)
• "I think you're right. I don't know what I'm talking about." – Walt (79:00)

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Episode Structure & Flow

• [00:00–09:30] Ventriloquism nostalgia and humor
• [09:30–21:03] Remembrances of Tim’s wake, musings on ritual and emotional coping
• [21:03–59:13] Superman (2025) movie review — deep dive, spoilers, critiques, fan vs. casual perspectives, DC/Marvel comparisons
• [59:13–70:44] Brief sponsor segment and wallet tales (ad skipped here per prompt)
• [70:44–78:49] Coldplay, viral infidelity, and the eternal battle of '90s bands

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Tone & Style

The episode leans into TESD's signature blend of uncensored banter, geek culture detail, New Jersey camaraderie, and the willingness to get simultaneously thoughtful and absurd. The hosts shift nimbly from deadpan quips to earnest analysis and sincere reflection, giving both comic nerds and casual listeners a reason to stay tuned in.

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In Summary

"Supa’ man" is a quintessential TESD entry: comic book dissection, authentic grief processed through humor, '80s and '90s music nostalgia, and relentless self-aware riffing. The Superman (2025) review is the clear centerpiece—one of the more exhaustive, honest roundtables on a superhero film you’ll find, with plenty of laughs and a healthy dose of “maybe I’m just old.” Whether you’ve seen the film or just want the inside track as a comics fan, this episode is a highly entertaining listen.

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If you're new to TESD, start here if you want:

• Insider comic and film takes (from sincere to satirical)
• Honest, unsanitized reviews from fans who love the material but aren’t afraid to criticize
• Banter that makes even the subject of grief approachable
• Pop culture meandering that covers everything from ventriloquism to Coldplay

Skip: Sponsor read, lengthy reminiscence about lost wallets (unless, like Walt, you too still mourn your Spider-Man wallet).

Listen if you like: Comic Book Men, Impractical Jokers, pop culture podcasts with personality over polish, and the enduring magic of three friends talking shit.

Transcript

[Walt]

He has balls that, that he controls.

[Brian]

Yeah, here's my terrace, puppy. You don't like buy a ticket and go suck a dick?

[Walt]

I guess you just gotta talk through your teeth, right? You just kind of go like this and you.

[Q]

Yeah, just talk like this.

[Walt]

Tell them Steve Dave.

[Q]

Hello and welcome to this week's edition of Tell Them Steve Dave here with, well, kind of here with bq.

[Brian]

Hello.

[Q]

His. The summer traffic has kept him at bay. So he's zooming in.

[Brian]

Yeah, I got on the road and yeah, it was like an hour and 20 minutes to get what normally takes me a half hour to do. So it was like, yeah, I'll zoom today.

[Q]

Yeah, that's. I forget that's every weekend. Yep, that's every weekend around here in the summer.

[Brian]

It's every weekend. Yeah, because everybody's going to the Jersey shore for the weekend and everybody's going back on Sunday. It's just a nightmare.

[Q]

Well, actually, well, Walt is here of course too.

[Walt]

You were drinking.

[Q]

I didn't want to interrupt you. Walt. I thought you were going to do a ventriloquist actually drinking water and still talk.

[Walt]

No, I tried to do that. I tried to learn ventriloquism as a kid. Didn't go well.

[Q]

Didn't go well.

[Walt]

No. Have a hard time not moving my lips, which is probably the key factor in being a good ventriloquist.

[Brian]

It's the main requirement of a ventriloquist, I guess.

[Walt]

Yeah. I always was impressed with guys who could throw their voice like behind a couch or something. Like if they were in the kitchen, they can make and they could throw their voice behind and you know, and the seemingly any other end of the room.

[Brian]

I've never, I've never seen it work. I've never, I think I've only seen that work in movies and in real life. Like I feel like anytime you're watching a ventriloquist or someone like that, you have to kind of be nice to them and pretend you don't see their fucking lips moving. You know what I mean? I don't think I've ever seen a ventriloquist that. I was like, wow, that guy has nailed it. You always see that.

[Walt]

Careful, Q. The ventriloquist lobby is going to come after us if you go a little too hard on it. I know there's a lot of listeners who are card carrying members of the ventriloquist union.

[Brian]

I think it's a positive bud. I think, like I just haven't seen the right ventriloquist yet. I, I would Be excited by that.

[Q]

Who are the most famous ones? You got Charlie McCarthy, of course.

[Walt]

Charlie. Yeah. Well, the most famous one's been dead for 100 years. And now. Can you hear me? Because I sound so weird.

[Q]

I can hear you.

[Walt]

Okay.

[Brian]

Let me hear you. Sound normal to me.

[Walt]

Okay.

[Q]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Well, who's the guy that's got all the puppets? He's pretty popular.

[Walt]

Oh, the guy that. Jeff Dunham. Jeff Dunham, yeah. Sunday Jeff. That's maybe his favorite celebrity.

[Brian]

Really?

[Walt]

Yeah, like, he has paid multiple. He's paid thousands to see him live in his life.

[Brian]

I get it. I mean, that guy's. That guy's really funny and the puppets are cool and shit like that. I get it.

[Walt]

Yeah. That's one of the few people that he will pony up his hard earned cash for. Wow.

[Q]

I'm looking at the list of famous ventriloquists. It's not a lot of names I recognize. You got Sherry Lewis, of course. And you got Waylon Flowers, madam. Beyond that.

[Walt]

Sherry who?

[Q]

Sherry Lewis.

[Walt]

She was with the sock puppet, right? Lamb chop.

[Brian]

Yeah, Lamb chop.

[Q]

Yeah.

[Walt]

These are all ancient underground celebrities.

[Q]

Yeah. Like most of their pictures are in black and white.

[Walt]

And when I say underground, I mean literally six feet under. I don't mean underground like they're, like they're, you know, fringe celebrities. These are people that have not made an impact in decades.

[Brian]

I mean, Jeff Dunham is pretty popular, though. He's kind of got the market to himself.

[Walt]

So I guess you just gotta talk through your teeth, right? You just kind of go like this and you sure.

[Q]

Just talk like this.

[Walt]

Tell him. You can't say tell them, Steve Dave, without touching two lips together.

[Q]

Tell us today. Sounds exactly like me. Normally. I'm also looking at the ages, like you say, Walt, of these people. Not many of these ventriloquists have gotten started in the past. Well, in this century, as a matter of fact, you have Darcy Lynn. She's an American ventriloquist and singer. Has been credited with the revival of ventriloquism.

[Walt]

Whoa.

[Q]

Born in Oklahoma, she developed an interest in singing from a young age, but was held back by her shyness before audiences. But now you got Darcy Lane, who's only, what, 21. 21 year old ventriloquist? Ventriloquism prodigy they're calling her.

[Walt]

Whoa.

[Brian]

All right. Well, you know what? I'm happy to be wrong. I can't wait to check out her work.

[Walt]

Do you think in 2025 there's just too many things vying, too many talents out there that Overshadow, you know, being able to close your lips and talk kinda.

[Brian]

Yeah, But I don't think it's a problem that just ventriloquism is. Ventriloquism is facing. I think every corner of entertainment, good and bad, is facing that. Everything so shattered and seg segmented, you know what I'm saying? That I think everywhere is like pretty much fighting for relevancy at this point.

[Walt]

Yeah. I still think sports, though, they don't have. They don't. They don't suffer the way that, you know, the way the ventriloquism market has dried up. I don't think they're. Sure, I don't think they're feeling the pinch. Yeah, I see some of these contracts that athletes get and the poor ventriloquist can't even buy a fucking butter sandwich.

[Brian]

Yeah, that is a good point about that. But all that means is. And maybe this young lady that Brian is talking about is the person is like, anything could be made cool and successful. Like, maybe they just need a someone to rise, you know, and show the world just how great modern, cutting edge ventriloquism could be.

[Walt]

Is there.

[Brian]

Any hope for that?

[Walt]

No. Is it realistic? And also a key factor too is you have to be able to do it well and also have good material too. So it's not just like you can rely on your skills with your mouth. You have to be able then to write witty things that your puppet can say. And comedy is tough in this day and age. So you got to be real careful what your puppet says. You can't fall back on. Well, I didn't say it, he did.

[Q]

The puppet said it. Yeah, those days are gone. Yeah.

[Brian]

The puppet said it. Yeah, but. But that's what I'm saying. So you're kind of proving what I'm saying and that, like, it takes way more talent to be a ventriloquist than I think people realize. And if you get someone who masters all of those at once and has a modern sensibility, I bet you there's a. I bet you that person selling out Madison Square Garden.

[Walt]

Well, yeah, that person's a superstar.

[Brian]

Yeah, I believe so.

[Walt]

We're just waiting on the next one. We're just waiting for him to come. Much like Jesus.

[Q]

The next great ventriloquist.

[Brian]

But, like, what I'm saying is, like, the fact that we've dismissed it means that there's someone out there with vision that we can't see who will lift it up. And that's when we'll get surprised that's when we'll get fucking slobber knockered by ventriloquism. When the art form is redefined in a new way. In a way that, you know, ever since hidden camera got reinvented and reinvigorated, you know, you need that. You need someone to come in and change the format and make it something new.

[Q]

You know, some pluck a young upstarts.

[Walt]

Well, I think the young upcoming ventriloquist, the kids who will grow up and get into ventriloquism will just be like, wait a second, I don't have to learn anything. I can just program it into AI and it'll look like my puppet talks. Yeah, fuck that. I'm not going to put all these hours into trying to keep my thousand hours. I'll just use AI Grok, make my puppet talk and just film yourself.

[Q]

Now, I always thought that Jeff Dunham was just the Ahmed, the terrorist guy. He has a whole array of thoughts.

[Walt]

He's more than just this just incredibly offensive puppet. He's got a whole litany of puppet characters that he trots out.

[Q]

Yeah, I'm assuming he retired Ahmed sometime ago.

[Walt]

I don't think he did. Now, Jeff told me he still brings him out. You know, the crowd goes crazy. You know, they're the Union Jack, not the Union Jack. What's the flag? The. The southern flag.

[Q]

Oh, the rebel flag.

[Walt]

They state. Sorry. The whole crowd starts breaking out their flags and Ahmed takes the stage.

[Brian]

Well, that's the magic of Jeff Dunham. If you don't have a boss, if you don't need advertisers, if you're selling directly to an audience, you don't have a gift of fuck about what anybody says. Yeah, here's my terrorist puppy. You don't like it, don't buy a ticket and go suck a dick. Like, that's the magic of being an independent. Yeah.

[Q]

I don't know. I still think that he may run into some trouble with theaters if you start telling everybody to suck his dick.

[Brian]

I don't think so, man. No, I think Jeff Dunham is as free as Joe Rogan. They could say and do whatever the fuck they want, and anything you have to say that you don't like about it, go suck a dick. Now that doesn't mean that I, you know, I don't listen, I've never heard an episode of Joe Rogan, but, like, he is the freest man in America. So Jeff Dunham probably has that freedom through the magic of ventriloquism.

[Walt]

Okay, you sold. I mean, you Did a complete fucking 360 on this. You know that, right?

[Brian]

I sure did. Indy. He's got Indy cred because he has no bosses. I don't know that goes far with me. Indy cred. He's like the Kevin Smith of ventriloquism. You understand what I'm saying?

[Walt]

I do. Now that you put it in those terms. Absolutely. You put it in terms I can understand.

[Q]

What did we do this week? Well, we went to Tim's wake very well. Me and Walt did.

[Brian]

Yeah. Yeah. I. I was flying in Monday. I was going to land at the airport, go straight to the wake, and I sat on the tarmac for two hours, and then they canceled my flight. So I didn't get home till Tuesday. So I did miss it. I purposely didn't ask you guys during the week how it was, because 1. Of course I know, but I figured we'd catch up on the show. Like, how was it? Was the outpouring there for Tim? Did Tim get the love that. We know he deserves that and more?

[Q]

I thought it was very well attended.

[Brian]

Great.

[Q]

It was nice, I guess, you know, as far as services go, I mean, we didn't stay for the actual religious service, but, you know, there were a lot of people hanging around and. Yeah, a lot of. You could tell Tim. You could tell, like, who are Tim's, like, friends from his rock days.

[Brian]

Oh, yeah.

[Q]

And that. Yeah. Like, everybody's, like, old rockers with tattoos and stuff and 80s haircuts, that kind of thing.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Walt]

What's an 80s haircut?

[Q]

There was one lady there where, like, she looked like she was from, like, maybe one of the Go Go's. It's like, it was, like, very spiky up top and then spiky on the sides. There was one lady that had a haircut like that. And a lot of, like, long hair, too, I would say.

[Walt]

Yeah.

[Q]

But this dude was beloved. There's no doubt about it.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was. I was really, really depressed to miss it, man. I wanted to be there, but I'm glad to hear that dude that. You know, I was thinking about him a lot over the weekend, man. Like, it's still kind of rattling around up there a lot, you know, A little bit.

[Q]

Yeah.

[Walt]

Tesi Town came out, though, in force. I mean, everybody.

[Q]

Oh, yeah, everybody was there.

[Walt]

Everybody was there. Tom, Chuck, Victor, Alex. Get him. Sunday, Frank Five drove down. Brian, Nichelle, Ladondo is there. Redondo came.

[Brian]

Oh, great.

[Walt]

Yeah. So there were. I mean, I hope I'm not missing anybody. Rup.

[Q]

Rub Alex was there.

[Walt]

Alex. Yeah. I just don't want to miss anybody. I know that.

[Q]

So I was there.

[Walt]

Yeah, I know. If I did, it's because I'm Jimmy the hair guy. Oh, my God, Michelle.

[Q]

The one guy. The one guy who would be press calling.

[Brian]

Before Jimmy throw. He threw himself on the coffin. How'd Jimmy do?

[Walt]

He did fine.

[Q]

Yeah, he did all right. He was a little upset, but, yeah, I think he pulled through. And it's weird, too. Like, I was telling Walt, like, I know I've known Tim a long time, and mostly our experiences, you know, talking to each other. It's like, about Tom, Steve, Dave shit or music or whatever when he's at drop by Jax. But I had no idea, like, how integrated into the rock community he was. Like, there were on Facebook, there were, like, online magazines writing about him. You know, like rock and roll legend. They were calling him founding member of monster Magnet. Like, he really got some accolades.

[Brian]

Oh, good man.

[Q]

Yeah, it was nice to see. I'm just watching. Get him try to silently eat a pop Tart.

[Brian]

He eats his grief.

[Q]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Wow. Yeah. I want to see. If you want to. If you see the article, send them to me. Man, I'd love to read about him.

[Q]

Yeah, will do.

[Walt]

There was a. You've ever seen, like. Like a montage of photos on a big screen in the. In the. In the room? Like, you ever see that where, like.

[Brian]

At a. Yeah, sure.

[Walt]

At a. At a viewing like that where, like, different photos will just fade in and out onto the screen.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Walt]

I don't know where they got it, but there was a photo of me and Tim in our Kiss regalia.

[Q]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Walt]

And I had to think 99% of that room is just like, what the fuck is that?

[Q]

Because there's a green screen behind them, too. So it looks weird.

[Brian]

The picture.

[Walt]

We looked so alien. Like, we didn't look like ourselves because the masks really do an amazing job of making us look like different people. Just was. It just blew my mind. I don't even know where they got that photo from.

[Q]

Yeah, they had quite a few of a podcast.

[Walt]

Yes, they did.

[Q]

Yeah.

[Walt]

But I had to think, like, when that photo is up there, like, people have to be like, what was he up to? Eyes Wide Shut is going on.

[Brian]

Tim was kinky. Man.

[Q]

Oh, man. Yeah. But then. And I guess, like, it was. It was. I don't know. It made me think, too. Like, my time to go. I like the presentation of just, like, a box. Like, you didn't have to look at them and Be like, oh, poor Tim. Yeah, you know, he created him and put a, put a nice little box out receptacle.

[Brian]

That's. That's the way to go. I agree. It's weird. It's. It's always been weird. Looking at those bodies. Isn't she just like, what's going on here?

[Q]

Walt had a good point too. We were talking while we were there about like the chit chat. Like it's non stop. People just joking around, talking shit. Like it's a weird custom to get together, I guess, and not be mournful. But like, I guess if that's all you had the entire time, could you even get through it?

[Walt]

Yeah.

[Brian]

What? Not joking and busting balls like, right, who the fuck wants to go to a wake like that, you know?

[Walt]

Yeah, no, I meant more so. It's just. I know why human beings do it. You know, it's. It's a mechanism to cope. But the inane chit chat about that like, is so insignificant for the reason that you're there. Just like, it's just weird. It's like, boy, is this heat ever gonna break. Who cares? Who the cares if it's hot for the next 100 days or not? It's just, it's weird. But I know why people are doing it. But it is a very strange custom that human beings have put together about, you know, having a large group of people come together for an hour at a building to shake the hands of the. And say something to the grieving family. It's just a, A very strange tradition or ritual. As you like, as there's a line at the door to like go around a giant circle to tell his, his wife that you know, how sorry they are for like a second. And she, she. Some people she knows, some people she doesn't.

[Brian]

It sounds like it could be a lot for the widow for sure.

[Q]

Seemed like she was handling it well though.

[Walt]

Yeah.

[Q]

You know, as far as I could see.

[Walt]

Yeah. You got to put a. You got four hours of glad handing.

[Q]

Then you can break down later on your own time. Yeah.

[Brian]

Most funerals I've been at have been kind of fun once you get past that first part where you go in and you, you kneel at the, at the thing, you say your prayer and then you go in the back of the room and you just start joking around with. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. And we've always said like from early on, Brian, like at your funeral, you want your friends ripping on you. You know what I mean? Like, it Just. It just wouldn't feel right if, like, it wasn't present.

[Q]

Like, he wouldn't want it this way.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Q]

If it was all serious and. Yeah, but how.

[Walt]

How reality, though? How far would you really want it to go, though?

[Q]

Well, I mean, like, let's say I'm in a coffin. Don't draw a dick on my face or anything, you know, just for, like, my family's sake.

[Brian]

But you're saying. Don't do that. Do not do that.

[Q]

Okay, I'm saying I'd hate that.

[Walt]

But if it's not permanent ink, though, and it just wipes off, like, dry erasing.

[Q]

Dry erasing.

[Walt]

Yeah. Wipe it off real fast.

[Q]

I wouldn't be mad. I think it would be funny.

[Walt]

Yeah, I don't think so.

[Brian]

What if I slipped, like. Like a Playgirl magazine in your coffin? It was his favorite issue. I don't know what to tell you.

[Q]

He demanded it for the afterlife.

[Brian]

That's the sort of shit we're talking about, right?

[Q]

Yeah. Yeah, I just, like. Yeah, I wouldn't want it to be a completely morose affair, you know? I just. I would want people to have kind of a good time.

[Brian]

Yeah, I agree.

[Q]

As much of a good time as you can have.

[Brian]

Well, it also depends on how you died. Like, if you died today, it would be, like, really fucking crazy. But, like, if you went at 92, like, you know what I mean? It's a little. It's a little bit like, holy shit. None of us thought he'd get that far. Yeah.

[Q]

You busting out the Play Girl issue, like, finally.

[Brian]

Oh, man. Did you see Superman, Walt?

[Walt]

I did.

[Brian]

What'd you think?

[Q]

Oh, nobody asked me.

[Brian]

Did you go.

[Q]

I saw it on purpose because I wanted to be able to speak with you guys about it. Usually I just sit here and listen.

[Walt]

I should not assume.

[Q]

I'm not doing it for Fantastic Four, though. I saw that trailer, actually.

[Walt]

Everything I see about the Fantastic Four gives me hope.

[Q]

Really?

[Walt]

Yeah. I'm like, wow, this is. It looks intense. It looks dire. And that's what I need after Superman. What did you think? I'm curious because you're. Of the three of us, obviously, you dwarf Brian's love for Superman. I think you dwarf my love for Superman. I, too. I love the character, but only one of us in the room has a tattoo of the. Of the ass of the shield. So I would love to know your thoughts on Superman.

[Brian]

I like.

[Walt]

Should we say super spoilers for people who.

[Brian]

I guess.

[Walt]

Come on. What? They see it, we should talk about it. This went to See a movie.

[Q]

Yeah. I went out of my way.

[Walt]

He made the effort to go see a movie. I'm sorry, listeners, if you haven't seen it yet, we're gonna do some super spoilers.

[Q]

I saw it. Yeah.

[Walt]

There's no way. We cannot talk about it. What do you go see the movie for? You liked it?

[Brian]

Yeah, I liked it. Yeah, I did like it. I liked it quite a bit. I had some quibbles with it, you know, the whole world turning on him and then, and then coming right back over one news story was a little bit like, I don't know if I would have committed to this all the way, but I thought he was a great Superman. I really liked him. I thought the cast across the board was great. Guy Gardner, I loved, I love the take on Guy Gardner. I like, they nailed Mr. Terrific. I thought, I like, I like the robots. I mean, they really, I really just like the whole fucking movie. Like, I really got into it. You seem like, I see the look on your face. You look like you didn't dig it.

[Walt]

Okay, I'll tell you the things I liked. I think the guy who played Superman was able to do something the previous Superman wasn't able to do, which was make him likable. I don't know if the other guy, Henry Cavill. Cavill, he was a little bit too intense and too somber. He was almost like a grim Superman. You know, he barely smiled. It felt like in any of the movies, this Superman was friendly, likable, and.

[Q]

More human, would you say, than, like.

[Walt]

Sure. Than the previous Superman. So I thought he did a great job. I thought the story was a mess.

[Q]

A lot of subplots going on.

[Walt]

Oh, my. I felt like we, and I get it, I know what he's, what he was going for, but it really felt like this was part 12 of a 12 part series and we missed the first 11 episodes.

[Brian]

Oh, really?

[Walt]

I felt like I went with my daughter. So she doesn't have this, she doesn't have the luxury, the privilege that her father has to have all this knowledge about all these characters. So she's like, what's Mr. Terrific's powers? I'm like, he has balls that, that he controls and what is he, a hacker? I was like, yeah. I didn't know what the, I mean, he had powers and shit, but I don't really know what his powers were. I, I, I'm kind of aware of him from the jsa, but I was like, they did a really piss poor job. I thought of giving us what Mr. Terrific was about. I thought Hawkgirl was. It looked like a CW costume. Guy Girl.

[Brian]

Hawk Girl was one of the things that I was like, I. I might have cut her out of the movie. They didn't give her anything to do. I was like, it's. It's not. She was. She was one of the quibbles that I have. I'm like, they didn't really give her anything to do. And that one scene where she's screaming didn't do it for me.

[Walt]

No, that scream would have been cut for me. That was so cringey, that scream.

[Brian]

But go to Guy Garner. You didn't. You didn't like Guy Gardner.

[Walt]

Yeah, he was fine.

[Q]

What was with the. Was the hair.

[Walt]

It's always been that like a mo. Haircut from the Stooges.

[Q]

Right?

[Walt]

He's always had it from this. From the late 60s, early 70s, his first appearance. But the whole pocket universe with. With a ferryman, an alien ferryman. Kind of like, you're in hell, but you're not in hell. I thought maybe it was a boom tube at first for Apocalypse, but it wasn't.

[Brian]

That's what I thought it was a boom tube at first. Right.

[Walt]

That prison, just this like connect 4 prison in limbo just looks so uninspired to me. Like, it's just like rooms with that you can see, I don't know, like, at least empty rooms with people in them. Like almost like a curio cabinet of people. It was so silly and stupid, I thought.

[Q]

And like, even the crimes are like, well, you're. You were a shitty girlfriend.

[Walt]

Which I can get it. Like, he was a vindictive jerk off Lex Luthor. But the dog was awesome. The Superman robots I enjoyed very much. I know it's 2025 and girls gotta get their seat at the table, but Lois Lane flying a spaceship reminded me of 1980s Flash Gordon vibes.

[Q]

I was wondering that myself. I was like, how did she suddenly become like the same thing with the last alien?

[Walt]

They kind of is like the ship is sentient or what?

[Brian]

But like says it's intuitive.

[Walt]

Intuitive. Yeah. So that was the. That was the fix that you could do it now. She can fly a spaceship. Badly in it.

[Brian]

But yeah, that didn't. That didn't bother me at all.

[Walt]

It was so corny though. It's just like her, like getting like getting people together on top of the Daily Planet and she's got to drive it because, you know, she's a girl, she's Lois Lane.

[Brian]

I mean, if any. If anybody could do it, I think.

[Walt]

It'S Lois Lane, Perry, the guy who ran a newspaper. If in a world where, like, you know, that nobody needs newspapers and like, he, he put all that years. He can't be the guy who drives the last fucking. He can't, like, make the last escape from the deadly planet before it gets destroyed. It's got to go. It's got to go to his, his ace reporter.

[Brian]

That never occurred to me.

[Q]

I would have liked to have seen more of Perry. I like that guy. He's a good actor.

[Brian]

Yeah, he was great.

[Q]

That look he gave, he was on the wire, okay? Yeah, he was.

[Walt]

Really?

[Brian]

When he, when he, when he figured out that Lois and Superman were banging, that was pretty funny. When he gives him that look, he's like, what's that? I thought she was good.

[Walt]

I thought she did a good job as Lois Lane. No, I just feel, I feel like I agree with you. I think the casting was good. I just feel the story was a bit too. Just convoluted, and it just didn't click. It just didn't click for me.

[Brian]

I saw it with people who, a couple of people had no concept of Superman, like, total newbies, and they followed it. I mean, I didn't get that.

[Walt]

Yeah, my daughter liked it. She actually, she was surprised when I said, how'd you like it? I didn't like it. She was like, what? Because I liked it. I was like, oh, okay.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Walt]

I mean, it's like, just because I didn't like it doesn't mean anything. I mean, I, I, I have a vision of Superman in my head, and sometimes some things they hit and some things they missed, but I don't think.

[Brian]

What did they hit? Give me a positive.

[Walt]

Oh, I thought crypto was awesome. I thought the. I thought finally introducing that lore into the movies was an absolute home run. I'm surprised it took this long to do it because it's so endearing. It's so, so fun. I thought, I thought Lex. I don't know. I don't know if I was that buying his motivations. I know people have been raving about, you know, finally we've got a great Lex, but I don't know. It was okay.

[Brian]

I didn't hate it.

[Walt]

I didn't hate it. I just, I just was like, kind of like, wow. I was stunned, actually, at times. I was like, wow. I just didn't think they were going this way. I never once knew where it was going because I was like. It felt at least that much. Was like it wasn't cookie cutter because there was shit There I was like, wow, surprise, I'm doing this. But I had. But again, that's. I guess that's good in a way, too, though.

[Brian]

I did the one. The one thing with Lex that I liked Lex. I thought he was great. I maybe wouldn't have made him cry at the end, but I get it. But. But there was one line when Supergirl came in and we're getting into spoilers for sure. But, like, when Superman goes. She goes to other planets to get drunk under red sun.

[Walt]

Yes.

[Brian]

So she get drunk in my head. I was just like, well, the second he said that line, I'm like, wait, so they know. Well, they obviously know aliens exist because they know Superman's an alien. So now they're saying that they know that that's widespread. So much so that you could pop over to a planet just to get drunk. And that. That made me be like, well, then why is Lex so focused on Superman? Wouldn't he be like, there's a universe of aliens out there. You know what I mean? Like, it just like.

[Walt]

Yeah. Well, also. Yeah. Like, why has he got a man on just for Lex when The Hawk Girl, Mr. Terrific, and Guy Gardner are also. They're flaunting their powers and making every human being look like human.

[Brian]

I guess. I guess because they're human.

[Walt]

So if Superman just didn't reveal he was an alien, it would just be like, I got my powers from bitten by a radioactive.

[Brian]

Yeah, maybe.

[Walt]

And Lex would be like, well, he's still human. And he would. He wouldn't have had this angry. Well, what about Hawkgirl? She's an alien. She didn't reveal it to anybody yet.

[Brian]

They didn't really go into Thangar and stuff like that in the movie. They didn't even mention it.

[Walt]

Right, right. What did you think, Bry?

[Q]

Oh, Thangar.

[Walt]

The movie itself.

[Q]

I felt. I felt the same way you did, which was like. It was messy. I was. It was a lot of different stuff going on at the same time. I also agree with Kuhn as much as, like, I didn't. I thought that the, like, turning on Superman was a little bit too quick and pulling them back to their bosom.

[Walt]

Yeah.

[Q]

Was a little fast.

[Walt]

I thought the war thing at the end was just.

[Q]

Well, they're starting to get into lessons.

[Walt]

Yeah. But the war thing felt like it was just so unrealistic in terms of, like, how wars are fought, in terms of where, like, there's, like, a mass group of people and they bring their kids with them to the front line.

[Q]

I noticed that some were holding kids with them in their arms.

[Walt]

Let's stop these tanks. Let's bring Junior and all the infants, too.

[Q]

Yeah, I got a club in my kid.

[Brian]

Well, they thought Superman was going to show up.

[Walt]

That's true. Okay.

[Q]

Yeah.

[Walt]

I still think it's negligent on the parents, though. Sure to rely on Superman showing up just in time, so. Because that's kind of bad parenting to. No, I just assume that Supes is going to show up to save the day. But I.

[Brian]

Guys, you didn't love when. When, like, I like the reveal that Lex was like, no, no, I didn't. I didn't start a war to became a king. Like, I started all that just to fucking get you to come at me. Like, I thought that was, like, a good Lex Luthor beat, where he's thinking, like, five steps ahead, starting wars just to get Superman involved in his mechanisms.

[Q]

I don't know.

[Brian]

I thought that was pretty cool.

[Walt]

Yeah. I mean, as long as he can sic his clone of Superman on him, I think he'll engage Superman regardless, without, you know, doing all that war stuff, too. As long as he sends out somebody with the powers of that clone to start destroying Metropolis. Yeah, Superman's gonna show up. So it's kind of. Again, it's kind of clunky. The whole Middle east inclusion, that of, you know, that whole subplot of, like, we're all gonna get to own a piece of the Middle East.

[Brian]

Luther was like, yeah, but it was all bullshit. It was all bullshit just to get Superman to interfere in international affairs.

[Walt]

He was trying to force Superman to make a move that the world would frown upon.

[Brian]

That's what he said. He said that specifically. He's like, I started the war. He goes, you think I started the war to fucking blah, blah, blah? He goes, no, I started it just so. Just to have you get involved.

[Walt]

Oh, okay. Yeah. I might have missed that.

[Brian]

Yeah. I thought that was cool. It is. It is. I did think when he had a Superman clone, I'm like, well, if you have a Superman clone that looks just like Superman, you can. You can have him go out and do bad shit and nobody will fucking think that it's a clone.

[Walt]

Yeah. I tell you, if I buy an hour and a half in. I was like, I wish this dog was in the whole movie the whole time. And maybe the rest of the cast just this. I would just watch the crypto movie. I would just watch the crypto movie. I don't need anybody. All this other nonsense that's going on.

[Brian]

Oh, wow. Yeah. I liked Him. I thought he was good. I just had fun watching it. Like, I was into it. I was, like, just getting excited. I did say afterwards. I was like, I want to see it one more time to lock in. Because when your head starts going to like, if he's got a clone, why is he doing this? Like, I want to see it again with those in it. But I had a blast. I just had. There was no part in it that I was, like, not happy to be in that theater watching the movie.

[Walt]

Yeah. The whole. It feels at times like the story is a blur as. And the visuals are a blur. Like a bright blur. Like, there's just this weird brightness about it that it doesn't have that classic kind of cinema look. I don't know why I can't describe it, but it didn't.

[Brian]

We're a comic book.

[Walt]

It feels like more like a. Like this. Like a modern. What's it called when you put something over an image? Like, it's a.

[Brian]

A filter.

[Walt]

Yes. Like this. Like this kind of modern filter that. Where it doesn't look like movies of the past anymore. It's hard for me to describe. I'm not putting it properly into words, though. But it's just a brightness about it that is. I wonder if it's even done on purpose with some sort of, like. Some sort of feedback from, like, computer watching, like, and things of monitoring computer screens and stuff.

[Brian]

Yeah, I would assume that's a choice. Man. I don't think anything you saw on screen was by accident. He's probably trying to counter how dark man of Steel was and true. Trying to make it look poppy and like a. Like a comic. A little bit more like a comic book.

[Walt]

I do agree with you, though, that I think that you needed. You needed a direct 180 from the previous Superman movies, which were kind of somber and too realistic maybe, but. So I agree. I would have agreed with that. With these. With that direction, you know, if I hurt. If I was him too. Of going in a different direction than the previous Superman movies.

[Brian]

Metamorpho. You didn't like Metamorpho?

[Walt]

I thought he looked awesome. I think his powers are cool. I think it's. Again, I think you're just. I get it. Because I don't want to, like, watch a movie where we're gonna get the origins of Mr. Terrific. Metamorpho, Hawkgirl, Guy Gardner. That just weighs the movies down as they have in the past when you introduce a whole bunch of characters. But I wonder if the audience is like, who is this Guy, where'd he come from? And where was he? And how did he become Lex Luthor's prisoner? And who's that? Who's that girl that, like, he has a baby and it's just, you know.

[Brian]

It'S just none of that threw me at all.

[Walt]

We have the advantage of knowing who Rex is. We haven't. We have the advantage of knowing his. All that stuff. We. We can't unknow it. So as we go into her with. With. With a leg up on people, I think, too.

[Q]

Yeah. Like, I didn't know any of that.

[Walt]

Right.

[Q]

Morpho stuff. Yeah. I didn't know any of it.

[Walt]

Poor Brian Johnson. I know I'm sitting lost, wandering around in a movie theater, not knowing what the fuck's going around.

[Q]

People like, do you know what's going on?

[Brian]

The information provided was like. I thought the information provided was like, look, this guy Lex is like. This guy could change his chemical composition. I turned him into kryptonite. He's. The guy's like, I got a kid over there, which is why I'm doing this. I mean, all that information was in there. I don't know that.

[Walt]

Maybe it's just a bad period right now where I'm like, I wasn't going to like anything right now.

[Brian]

No, I mean, I wouldn't make excuses for you not loving it. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you just didn't dig it.

[Walt]

Yeah.

[Brian]

As much.

[Walt]

I might have did. I might have dug it in if I'd saw it at a different point, though. But, yeah, this. Yeah, I just saw it kind of like, you know, again, it looks fine, but it's. To me, the story was a little bit. A little bit too much going on for. You know. And again, I just feel like if I just seen the dog for an hour and a half, I would have been fine.

[Brian]

The dog, that was my favorite line in the movie was about the dog. When Lois is like, you're gonna. You're gonna turn yourself in for a dog. And he's like, yeah, not even a very good dog, but he's scared. I was like, that's fucking Superman. You know what I mean? Like, that's fucking Superman right there.

[Walt]

Great moment. I agree with you. Yeah. The whole movie was about crypto.

[Brian]

What did you think about the take on the parents? Because I loved it. I love that they were that fucking slow. The crypto Krypton parents, the human parents. Martha.

[Walt]

I let Brian go.

[Q]

I mean, I thought they were okay. There were a couple old people. You know, they're actually much older than I thought they were going to be.

[Walt]

They didn't really do much differently than then. You didn't like. They kind of were right out of the comic book mold of his Kansas parents. Right.

[Brian]

Yeah. I thought that the leaning all the way into that Kansas accent was pretty fucking crazy. I love that, like, how they spoke so slow and so. Yeah, all right.

[Q]

And I like that it really was big. They went big with that.

[Brian]

Yeah, I like that they lived in a ranch house, not like a big old fucking farmhouse. I was like, holy shit. Superman grew up in a little small house with a wood paneling bedroom. I was like, that's kind of cool. You know what I mean? I liked all that take on it.

[Walt]

I do think it was a stroke of genius, though, to have the motivation of his Kryptonian parents to be that he would be a conqueror and to put his seed into every. Every woman that he could find. I thought that was so sinister, so dark, and a really clever twist on the mythos of Jor El and what's his. What's his mom's name?

[Brian]

Laurel.

[Walt]

Lay at Laurel. Yeah, I thought that was enough. That was a great twist of the. Put on the twist on it to make it. Yeah, it put everything on its. On its head, basically from what we've seen in the comics and what we've seen in previous movies. I thought that was well done and very dark.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Walt]

Yeah. I liked it, though.

[Brian]

Yeah, I liked it. I liked. I mean, I've seen that in the comic book. That's happened once or twice. And in, like, elseworlds and stuff. I did like it. I was like, oh, that's cool. They make Jarell a fucking son of a bitch now.

[Walt]

Would you. Let's say you were the benefit of being saved by Superman. Maybe even not directly, maybe indirectly by, you know, there was a. Something was happening and Superman showed up and saved your city. Would that tape be enough for you to be like, I'm fucking throwing tomato cans, tomato soup cans at Superman when he walks by? I'm so mad at him now because of that video.

[Brian]

No, no. That was the stuff. I had the big problem because 1. It was also like, basically the plot of man of Steel too. Like, they turned against them. Lex Luthor blew up the fucking Capitol building. They blamed Superman. You know what I mean? Like, it was kind of like. And I. You know, that was the part of the movie that I was like, I. I was like, I don't really need to see the world turning on him. But I didn't Hate it. You know, And I thought it was a little quick.

[Walt]

So is this the best Superman movie that's ever been made? Or is it. Or is there still. Is it still 78?

[Brian]

And I think it's still Superman, too. Still.

[Walt]

It's still Donner, which is shocking. Right. In a world where you can do anything. And these guys were. Have. Are struggling. The OGs.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Walt]

That, like Donner. We're struggling to make you feel like, well, you'll believe a man could fly, but you're like, not really. He still doesn't look like he's flying, but the shit's so good, I don't care. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Rich. Yeah, yeah, We. We're. He looks like he's flying.

[Brian]

Okay. But let's not forget that, you know, Superman, as much as we all love that movie, like, has that weird Lois Lane poem in the middle of it that if they drop that into this movie, you'd be like, what the fuck?

[Walt]

But here's a testament then to those cats.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Walt]

They were basically making movies with fucking sticks and stones compared to what they're making movies with now. And it still holds up as the best version of Superman we've ever seen.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Walt]

Those guys, those cats, you know, can. Can sit back and smoke a victory fucking cigar. And again.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Walt]

Because in 2025, they tried it again, and it's still not better than that one. That's fucking amazing. When you think about. Because of all the technology you have now, with all the things you can.

[Q]

Do, the number of years you had to come up with a story script.

[Walt]

It's still up. That. That's. That's still the case.

[Q]

I liked on this new one, it was very brief, but when there. I think it was Lex talking about infiltrate or flooding the Internet with comments or something that had all the monkeys screaming, like, the social media nod that they did.

[Brian]

That was. That made me laugh.

[Q]

That made me laugh, too. Then I went home and I was like. I told Mary Beth. I was like, this is the same guy who did Guardians of the Galaxy. We should watch that. Because I remembered liking it. I went back and watched it. I'm like, I don't know who any of these people are. I don't know what's going on.

[Walt]

But you saw it already.

[Q]

I had seen it. I saw it in theaters. I saw it in theaters. And I was like, what the fuck is going on in this movie? I don't know any of these characters. I don't know what's going on.

[Brian]

Yeah, but if you.

[Q]

I'm singing it To Mary Beth. I'm like, it's a great movie because I remembered liking it, but maybe it was the third one I liked or something.

[Brian]

Yeah, that's funny. I love those movies.

[Walt]

Do you think there's maybe a case that maybe Lex Luthor just isn't the proper villain for a Superman movie? Do you think maybe there's the case to be made that it just doesn't work? It's just, okay, we smile, we have to swallow that he can do anything and he has all these abilities. It's just too much to think that just some smart dude is a worthy enough adversary for us to sit down for two hours and watch a movie.

[Brian]

I don't agree with that. I think one, I like this take on Lex, but maybe you would like a little bit more of like the mad scientist Lex, where he's like coming up with stuff to defeat him in his workshop or something like that. Like that pudgy bald one that was. You remember that? Like, yeah, maybe that's the Lex you need on film.

[Walt]

I don't know. Maybe we just need to see a movie that Lex isn't the. The guy that Superman's taking down. It just feels like it's. It's. It's hard to make him a worthy adversary in a world where this guy can do anything, you know?

[Brian]

Well, it's funny because, like, he's only an adverse. The thing about Lex, right, Is like the only way. Cuz, right? Superman could burn him up in a second, right? Like there's no. If Superman wants Lex dead, Lex is dead. Which means that Lex is relying on Superman to be a good enough person not to kill him while he's doing all this shit. Which to me is like, even makes Lex more of a fucking dickhead because he's like, no, I know he's a good person. I know he's a good alien, but I don't like that he fucking hovers 10ft above me and I'm gonna fucking get him. I don't know. I like that. I kind of like.

[Walt]

What'd you think of the Engineer?

[Brian]

The Engineer? I would say good start. It didn't. It didn't feel like the Engineer from the comic. The effects look cool. I don't know why he made her a bad guy, but I liked the character in the comics and she looked a little bit match. It just didn't feel like the Engineer from the Authority. No, a little bit for me, but.

[Walt]

I like, she was a girl, remember the bad girl? Her hands can turn to like saw blades and Shit, Yeah.

[Brian]

But I liked it. I liked her. I thought she did a good job.

[Walt]

You'll see an authority movie at some point then.

[Brian]

Oh, I hope so. That would be awesome.

[Walt]

Yeah. What about a Supergirl movie?

[Brian]

Oh, I can't wait. I. Look, man, this is like. I love that little fucking take with her that they did in it. And, like, people I know who liked the movie, like, I didn't like the Supergirl bit. And I'm like. I fucking. I'm like a drunk fucking hot supergirl coming through the door dressed in this skirt, like, playing with a dog. I'm like, what the fuck? Don't you like her about that? Like, I don't get it.

[Q]

The one thing that I will say, for me, it was the exit with, like. It's just too commonplace.

[Brian]

Yeah, that was. I could see people not liking that. But she was drunk.

[Q]

That's true.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Walt]

Why didn't he. Why didn't he call her back, though?

[Brian]

He's just smiling. Who's gonna. Who's gonna hurt Supergirl?

[Walt]

No, no, no. Why didn't he call her back? Why didn't Superman, like, call upon her as like, shit's going down. It's getting. It's getting bad. I need some help.

[Brian]

I guess because she was hammered on another planet somewhere, maybe didn't know where she was.

[Q]

Is that a character thing through the comics with her, that she's a drunkard?

[Walt]

She's like. She's like the girl next door sometimes. I don't know what. I don't know what The Peter David.

[Brian]

Well, the Tom King run that they're making the movie based on is like, she's a little bit more worldly and stuff like that. So I think he's going off that. Did you catch. Or did you think that was Mixel Plix cameo? Did you catch that little thing?

[Walt]

I did. Whoa. Where.

[Brian]

So when Lois and Superman are sitting by that window having that conversation and they're fighting, the Justice Gang is fighting.

[Walt]

Oh, I look like an amoeba. Yeah.

[Brian]

He goes. Lois is like, do they need you out there? And he's like, nah, it's just an imp from the fifth dimension. They got this. And I was like, oh. I was like, that's fucking Mixelplex.

[Walt]

Cool.

[Brian]

They got him in the movie.

[Walt]

I couldn't. You know what? It was hard for me to hear the word impression. You know, I kind of missed that, that he said imp, but I thought it looked like a big amoeba.

[Brian]

Yeah. No, he said imp from the fifth dimension, which I was like, definitely.

[Walt]

Yeah, you're. Yeah, it's definitely a mixel plick.

[Brian]

It's either him a bat mite and bat mite doesn't make sense, you know, so, yeah, I was like that. He got that. And even though it wasn't like a little old midget in a fucking bowler cap or whatever the hell they're gonna be.

[Walt]

Do you want to see the Matt Reeves Batman come into this universe and. Or would you prefer that they stay away and don't mix? And a Batman with Superman going forward? Just keep them separate or would you like to see them?

[Brian]

I like Robert Patterson as Batman. You know, why would I say Matt Reeves?

[Walt]

Why did I say no?

[Brian]

He directed it. Oh, did he direct it? Yeah.

[Walt]

Okay.

[Brian]

I. I liked him as bad. I thought he was, you know, he looks. The party looks great. You know, I didn't love the Batman like everybody else did.

[Walt]

I was weird because I like the Batman too. I enjoyed that one. Yeah.

[Brian]

I rewatched it after we talked about it and I liked it more certainly after I watched the Penguin and then went back and watched the movie. But my initial reaction to Batman is, is I think kind of stands for the most part.

[Walt]

So you would want to see Batman come into the Superman's world or keep him?

[Brian]

No, I think he could pull it off. I think if they were gonna do that, I wouldn't be like, oh, they're gonna fucking ruin it. Because I'm assuming that it would adapt to Superman's style a little bit more than the other direction.

[Walt]

Mm.

[Brian]

You know, but. But aren't they doing like a Batman and Robin movie? So I don't even know if Robin would fit in in that world anyway. I think you do kind of need like a Batman that matches this version of Superman a little bit more. Especially if he's gonna have a Robin.

[Walt]

That'S going to be a. That's going to be a much different Batman than we've seen in quite some time. Then if we're going to match this world and this kind of mentality and light heartedness of the Superman movie. Yeah, that's going to be something we. That moviegoers have not seen in quite some time. A Batman that's. That's going to fit into this world.

[Brian]

Yeah, I'm excited to see that though. I'd love to see.

[Walt]

It's time we. It's. Yeah, why not? We've seen the other. We've seen the fucking bleak, somber, grim Batman now for seemingly decades. Let's. Yeah, let's see what. Let's see the other Side of the fucking pillow.

[Brian]

Yeah. Pretty excited by it. Yeah. I, I don't know. I liked it. Most people I know like it. I. But, Brian, what's your ultimate takeaway at the end? Like, what would you grade it?

[Q]

I mean, I walked away being like, it was all right. Like, probably for story, I would have to give it a C because it was difficult to follow. There was so much going on, Visuals. I'd give it an A. It looked pretty amazing. My, my, my walk away with it was like, I'll probably never watch that again. Yeah.

[Walt]

Well, overall, what was it? A C?

[Q]

I would say. No, I would say probably a B.

[Brian]

B. Wow.

[Walt]

That's.

[Brian]

That's, that's pretty good.

[Walt]

That's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah.

[Brian]

I, I, I can see why people would like it.

[Q]

I can see why people would dig it. But again, like, like, you guys have that advantage of going in. You're like, I know who every single one of these motherfuckers is. Whereas, like, somebody like me or Mary Beth or whatever, like, you know, you go in there and you're like, okay. Like, that's, that's why sometimes, like, the little bit of backstory is good, you know? Or, like, I know that you can't do an origin story for every movie, but it is good if they just give you a little bit. Because, like, you say, like, Mr. Terrific. I'm like, I don't know what his, his deal is.

[Brian]

I thought, I thought they nailed Terrific. I loved it. The costume looked fucking amazing. Like, he looked on the sleeve.

[Walt]

Yeah, he looked really good.

[Brian]

His performance was good. I got what he was going for, I guess. Yeah, I guess. If you're saying, like, did they ever expressly say, he's just a genius who has mastery over all this stuff? I guess they didn't say that. Right.

[Walt]

Well, yeah, maybe they did, though. But. Yeah, it's possible they did. There's a lot. They threw a lot at you.

[Q]

Yeah, there's a lot of introductions.

[Walt]

There's a lot of things. And they threw it at you in dialogue.

[Brian]

Sure.

[Walt]

So, yeah. So if you're, so if you're, like, if you have an. If you have a thought in your head, even for a second, like, of something else other than the movie, you might miss something.

[Brian]

Sure.

[Walt]

Yeah. That's probably what happened with me is, let's say at times my brain would drift from what I was watching, and maybe that's why I missed some of the things that were on screen to some of the explanations.

[Brian]

There was a moment that in the movie that I was like, oh, Brian's gonna love this. When. And I'm just curious if you even clocked it right, because sometimes when I watch movies, I think. I think about shit off if Brian's gonna like that. When she is walking out of the hall of justice and she fucking makes fun of Guy Gardner's hair.

[Q]

Yeah.

[Brian]

He gets up and he goes, what?

[Walt]

What the what?

[Brian]

And then it becomes very clear that he heard exactly what he. What she said. Because he goes, my hair. My hair. I was like, oh, that's so fucking funny.

[Q]

I did. It was interesting. Somebody called attention to it because I didn't know that that was an ongoing thing, like his bad hair.

[Walt]

Did you like the hall of Justice?

[Brian]

I thought it was great, man. Like, straight from the fucking comic and shit. Like, that looked cool when you get.

[Walt]

I thought it was straight from the cartoon Super Friends.

[Brian]

Oh, I guess that's what I meant. Yeah.

[Q]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Like the old one. That's what I meant. But even the comic book started.

[Walt]

Started using it, too. Yeah.

[Brian]

Started adopting that style again. Like, I just wish they either given Hawk Girl a little more to do or cut Hawk Girl out completely.

[Walt]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Because she just flew in that one circle. And I was like, you know, it could have been. At some point, you're like, we got to start giving some time back to Superman.

[Q]

I did think the same thing that I always think in these movies where I'm like, I'm look. I look at Metropolis, and I'm like, who the fuck lives here? Like, building rifts, Buildings going down like dominoes. Kaiju all over the place.

[Walt]

Like, yeah.

[Q]

Seems not safe. And I was surprised they killed somebody. I thought it was gonna be one of those movies where nobody.

[Brian]

That was fucking nuts. Yeah. When they blew that guy right in the fucking head, I was like, whoa. It felt tonally out of the movie.

[Q]

Yeah. It really did. I didn't expect it.

[Walt]

Well, they also killed Hawk Girl. Killed somebody, too.

[Brian]

That I didn't mind. That I didn't mind. I was like, okay. Like, I guess that's where they're going with her, because that's it. But Lex doing it. I was like, wow, that is. That seems like Lex not smart enough for Lex. Like, now he's got to find somebody else to bring in. It's a second bullet. Like, Lex doesn't fuck it. You know what I mean? Like, do it so he doesn't have to go through all this for nothing. I was surprised that they did that. That they blew that guy's head out in front of Superman.

[Q]

Yeah.

[Brian]

That was pretty crazy. But I liked it. I really enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to going to see it in imax. I want to see it, like, on the big, big screen. I didn't get to do that.

[Walt]

How do you think they also were able to get Crypto to drill? Like, didn't they have things coming out of his head? Didn't they have.

[Brian]

He had a helmet on.

[Walt]

Was it a helmet on? And.

[Brian]

And his eyes were, like, held open by things. Right. He's looking at the squirrels and.

[Walt]

Okay. I thought maybe they had put, like, some sort of. They had surgically did something to his head. It looked like.

[Brian]

I don't think so, but that was. I even loved, like, the line where he's like, crypto, get the toy, and then Crypto just goes fucking nuts on it. You're right. Everything with Crypto was fucking. Was like, straight up awesome.

[Walt]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's a great, great move on his part to finally introduce those aspects of the. Of the continuity and the rich Superman lore. Yeah. I don't know. I guess it would be like, for me, it was like a five, though.

[Brian]

Five out of ten.

[Walt]

All right. Yeah. Just kind of like, I appreciate the effort to create something so different from any Superman movie we've ever seen, but just some things just did not click for me. But the style, wise man, the fucking Metamorpho looked amazing. Like, it's too bad. Like, he just can't hold his own movie, though. And they did what Marvel did, which was like, introduce these characters and movies, then bring them all together, which I don't feel D.C. has that same kind of confidence in their. In their movies or their. Their. They're going to sink in, you know. $150 million to make a solo Metamorpho movie?

[Brian]

Probably not, but he's joining. It seemed like he was joining the Justice League at the end, though, right?

[Walt]

Yeah, definitely.

[Brian]

Yeah. So, you know, maybe he'll be around and that. That character is that, you know, who. That, you know, the actor who played Metamorphos. It's. Did you watch Barry, Brian?

[Q]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's at the ball Tank. Hank.

[Brian]

Yeah. I was like. No, whole. Hank. Yeah. All right. Well, I had a feeling. I did have a feeling when I was watching a Walt that your review is going to come in somewhere around here. Yeah, I did. I. As I was watching it, I was like. I. You know, just like I was watching with Brian, knowing that you're gonna like that haircut scene. I had a feeling this was kind of going to be Your issues with it. I completely understand, Ben. But I'm just telling you, I was so happy in that theater watching Superman fucking fly around and be a really good guy. And, you know. I know. Like. Like, just, you know, he felt like Superman to me, which I love.

[Walt]

Oh, yeah. So saying the actor did come off as completely pure and pure of heart. Like, this is maybe the purest of hard Superman since Christopher Reeve.

[Q]

Yeah.

[Walt]

And maybe more so than Christopher Reeve even. Christopher Reeve kind of was. Kind of had a play, a little bit of Superman with a little bit of a. Kind of. A little bit. Just a bit of spite, you know, he did go back, remember?

[Brian]

He did go back to that diner. It's awesome that he did it, though, right? It's awesome. He puts him through the pinball machine. Yeah. Yeah.

[Walt]

I don't think this. This current 2025 Superman. I think he's so good of hard, he wouldn't even do that.

[Brian]

He's not petty enough to fly to Alaska or wherever the. That diner was and start all over again. I mean, think about that. Like, right. Like, he flew there, and he's waiting over the diner till that guy sat down, and he's like, oh, fuck, he's here. I'm gonna get him. It was awesome. It's great.

[Walt]

But Fantastic Four is now. I'm pinning all my hopes. And that last little bit of teaser we got, man, was so. So. Gripped me with the. You know, he's doing the press conference read, and they're like, what did Galactus say? He's like. He's like, we couldn't come to terms at Galactus. He goes, what were the terms? It's like, he wanted our. He wanted our child, which we thought. Which we were not. Was not negotiable. And to me, that's like, oh, that's cool. I want. Yeah, I'm really intrigued now. I want to. I really want to see this movie bad. And I'm hoping that it is the. It's the summer flick for me, the comic book summer flick for me.

[Brian]

Yeah, I'm with you, man. I'm excited to see it. Nothing I've seen so far has knocked me off.

[Walt]

Nothing.

[Q]

Yeah.

[Walt]

Meet me. I agree.

[Brian]

Yeah. The female Silver Surfer was like, come on, man. What are you guys doing? Until I saw her in action, and I'm like, oh, I guess.

[Q]

Who gives?

[Walt]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brian]

Like, she's creepy and cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Walt]

She does.

[Q]

She.

[Walt]

She looks like she. Even the small snippets we've seen is. She does look good, though. So. So Be it like you said, you think? I think like you said, I think she's a. Out of continuity or a different. Different world and alternate world. Silver Surfer. So.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Walt]

So maybe we'll see a Noren rad Silver Surfer the next time we see a Marvel movie, I guess. Secret Wars. Maybe in Secret wars we'll see a Norrin Red.

[Brian]

That'd be fucking cool. I thought he even looked good in the one that they made 15, 20 years ago. Like Rise of the Silver Surfer. I look pretty cool.

[Walt]

Yeah. He looked like living chrome.

[Brian]

Yeah, it was dope, man. I don't know. I. It's a good time, man. I'm excited to see where James Gunn goes with this shit. Next. Excited for Peacemaker. Season two starts up soon. I love that first season, man. I think it's so great. It's just. I'm gonna. I'm declaring. It's like. It's a good. It's a good time to be a comic book fan again. It feels like we're getting back to good stuff.

[Walt]

Your nerdgasm.

[Brian]

Nerdgasm popping off.

[Q]

Yeah.

[Walt]

Even. Even at our advanced age. You still popping nerdgasms, huh? That's great.

[Q]

It's one thing.

[Walt]

No Blue Chew. You don't need that, you know, I.

[Brian]

Don'T need no nerd Blue Chew.

[Walt]

That's awesome. That you still can, you know. Yeah. Still.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Walt]

Can pop off for. You know.

[Brian]

I even saved the ticket stub from Superman. I can't tell you the last time I did that.

[Walt]

Wow.

[Brian]

With a magnet.

[Walt]

That is. That is so nerdy. It's wholesome and pure.

[Q]

I loved it.

[Brian]

This sounds like you're calling me gay. I don't know why, but it sure does.

[Walt]

There was no reels, and even Kat doesn't get no. She gets no setup. Or Steve Lombardi.

[Brian]

Yeah, those were. I felt Easter eggs for guys like me and you. We're not gonna tell you.

[Walt]

There's just not enough time.

[Brian]

Yeah, look, she's in a fucking. She's got big blonde hair. She's got big fake tits. She's in a dress. You know, it's Pat Grant. If you know who. If you don't, then I don't know what to tell you.

[Walt]

It shouldn't hurt your. It should not hurt your ability to enjoy the movie if you don't know who Cat Grant is.

[Brian]

Right, right, right. And I was surprised they gave Steve Lombard as much time as they did.

[Walt]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian]

I was like, they're really in love with this character.

[Walt]

And I thought, Lois, you know, other than flying a spaceship. I thought she was fine. And to her, whatever she was given to, you know, the lifting she was able to do, I thought she did a good job, too.

[Brian]

Yeah, I thought she did a good job. And I liked when she was yelling at the Justice League, being like, this is your fucking friend, assholes. Like, you're gonna fucking leave him in there. And I was like, that's fucking. I was like, this is awesome. Like, that's cool. You know, she's going to them for help and she's telling them why they're assholes. I just dug it.

[Walt]

But, you know, you did see the nod to the modern audience where he was like, Superman comes out of the pocket universe and he's like, lois, you came to rescue me because for fucking 100 years prior. So we're gonna have to rescue her. Okay, we get it. You're a modern day fucking filmmaker.

[Brian]

But something lessons. I agree with you normally. I agree with you normally. There's something about Lois Lane for me that excuses that a little bit.

[Walt]

Okay? Yeah, I know.

[Brian]

Like, if Vicki Val was running around, I'd be like, come on, man.

[Walt]

I like my lowest tied up on a train track.

[Brian]

That's my mom.

[Walt]

That's the lowest. I grew up with.

[Brian]

General Sam Lane's daughter, bro. She knows how to kick ass.

[Walt]

And who was the flag guy was that setting up Suicide Squad stuff? Remember the flag? The General Flag?

[Brian]

Oh, yeah, he's. That's Rick Flag Senior. His father was the.

[Q]

He.

[Brian]

That character already appeared in the Creature Commandos cartoon, voiced by the.

[Walt]

Is there. So. So the Suicide Squad, it happened.

[Brian]

Yeah, his son got killed by Peacemaker.

[Walt]

So. But wait a minute, though. So if Peacemakers and Suicide Squad.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Walt]

That means all those characters exist in this universe too, then.

[Brian]

Yes, so far. Yeah.

[Walt]

So Harley Quinn exists, I would say.

[Brian]

I'm sure there's going to be some explanation in the second season of Peacemaker to make it line up.

[Walt]

Okay.

[Brian]

Because they were already doing a multiverse thing in the. In the commercial for Peacemaker.

[Walt]

Okay. Okay.

[Brian]

So I bet you they're going to find a way to line it up.

[Walt]

Because we plays what I say, because we already met a Flag in Suicide Squad. Remember Flag?

[Brian]

This is his father.

[Walt]

That's his father. Okay.

[Brian]

Yeah. Peacemaker killed his son. He mentions that in the Creature Commandos.

[Walt]

Gotcha. Okay.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Walt]

All right.

[Brian]

So he's doing that thing where if somebody voices, like they want the actors to do the voices in the cartoon so they could have all the continuity mix over and.

[Q]

Gotcha.

[Walt]

Gotcha.

[Brian]

Yeah. So there was that his hair was white in the cartoon and not in the movie, Which I was like, oh, maybe that's. Maybe that's a sign that it's another universe or something. But I don't know.

[Walt]

Are there too many universes?

[Brian]

I mean, I'm ready to be done with the Multiverse, but. But, But. But, Walt, think about how, when we own the multiverse, right? Remember those days when nobody knew what the fuck the idea of the multiverse was?

[Walt]

I missed.

[Brian]

We did. What's that?

[Walt]

I missed those days.

[Brian]

I miss those fucking days. Like, what happened? They came along, they took one of our toys and they fucking abused it into the ground so they could give us 50 versions of spider Man. It's like, guys, fucking fuck you guys. Like, does nobody care about these characters enough to fucking not make a hundred versions? No. Remember when Peter Parker was special? Marvel doesn't.

[Q]

Wow.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Q]

All right.

[Brian]

Sorry. I wish the multiverse would go away for a little bit, though.

[Walt]

Yeah.

[Q]

We got other things to talk about.

[Brian]

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[Q]

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[Brian]

Ridge. Oh, I got that.

[Q]

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[Brian]

I still have. I still have mine from when I was a kid. Yeah, it's got Pac man on the side.

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[Brian]

I'm, like, kind of an analog guy. It'd be hard to digitally pickpocket me.

[Q]

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[Brian]

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[Walt]

I had a Spider man wallet once. It wasn't a Ridge wallet. And I remember I had birthday money in it and I left it at a store. And I probably was the most unconsolable as I've ever been in my life. As I realized my wallet and my 10 bucks in birthday money was gone. That horrible realization that both were gone.

[Q]

So I need one of those airtag attachments.

[Walt]

Yeah, it was 1975. I don't know if any airtag would have helped in that situation, but, boy, I remember that. That took a long time to get over. Yeah, there was thoughts of like just ending it. Even at that age. I was like, there's not a point living. I've lost the wallet.

[Q]

Supposed to go on now. Birthday money, $10 gone. Wallet gone.

[Walt]

$10000. That gets you.

[Q]

That was like 50 bucks back then.

[Walt]

Oh, yeah, that fucking. Whoo. That's still raw. When I think of it now, that wound still hasn't really fully healed.

[Q]

And you wonder who found it. Who threw your wallet away after taking the $10 out?

[Walt]

Yeah, I remember.

[Brian]

Fucking bitch.

[Walt]

Yeah, I wish I had any thought of that.

[Q]

Walt, I wanted to give you a little piece of advice before we go.

[Walt]

Yes.

[Q]

If you bring your side piece to a Coldplay concert.

[Walt]

I saw this. Yeah, I saw this.

[Q]

Do not hug them. Keep it a decent remove. Otherwise you're gonna get lost in.

[Walt]

I saw this.

[Q]

I.

[Walt]

Somebody made the comment, and it's so true. Is that. Well, go ahead, explain it though. Before.

[Q]

Okay, so there was a Coldplay concert and they have a kiss cam just like they have in some of the sports arenas. And they focused on a guy who was a woman who was standing in front of a guy and he had his arms wrapped around her.

[Brian]

Canoodling.

[Q]

Canoodling. So they were the. You know, they were both facing the same way. They're both facing towards the. Towards the stage, and the kiss cam goes up. And the look of shock that registers on their faces is priceless. Like, you couldn't. Like, Meryl Streep couldn't have had that look. I don't think if they told her she had to look scared from getting caught cheating, and she, like. I guess in that moment you're like, maybe I'm faster than the camera. She tries to, like, cover her face up, and the guy ducks away.

[Walt]

Well, somebody made a comment and I was like, holy. Yeah. They're like. If they had just played it cool, because to my knowledge, this wasn't being broadcast on television or anything, right?

[Q]

No.

[Walt]

So if they didn't bring attention to themselves acting so guilty, they would have.

[Q]

It would have.

[Walt]

Nobody would have even noticed it. And it probably never would have. It never would have made the Internet. But the fact that they acted the way they did as if they were like the entire planet was watching them.

[Q]

And they are now.

[Walt]

Yeah, that's the takeaway is that, like, if you had just played it Joe Cool and not acted as if you had your hand in a cookie jar, Coldplay never would have mentioned it. They wouldn't have commented on it. It would have went on to somebody else, and nobody would have ever known.

[Q]

You got to be a quick thinker, though, because I think your initial reaction is to be like, oh, fuck, I'm busted.

[Brian]

And then you can't.

[Q]

Once you put on that face, people know. And the girl I saw the little interview with, the girl who actually recorded, because she recorded it with her phone off the kiss cam. Yeah, that's where it came from. And she was like. She's like, I just got. All this, I have to say to you is play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Q]

She had no empathy, no sympathy for anything.

[Brian]

That sucks. But, I mean, that's what you. That's what you get for going to Coldplay concert. I guess.

[Walt]

I thought you were a Coldplay guy.

[Brian]

No, quite the opposite, really.

[Walt]

Okay. Because I like a couple songs from Coldplay. God put a smile on you. I like that song.

[Brian]

I'm not here to stop you from enjoying something.

[Walt]

I like that song. Well, you don't like Coldplay. Weren't they like the. The Millennium Beatles or so they called them?

[Brian]

I think you talk about Oasis, buddy.

[Walt]

Oh, my Confusing. They kind of sound.

[Q]

He likes Oasis.

[Brian]

Yeah, I like Oasis.

[Walt]

Okay.

[Brian]

They don't. Oasis doesn't suck, man. I've been telling you this since I was keeping my CD from getting stolen in Pittsburgh, dude.

[Q]

It's true.

[Walt]

Wow.

[Q]

I don't have anything against 99.

[Brian]

Yeah, man.

[Walt]

Why don't you. What's. What's the. What's the hold up a Coldplay. What don't you like about them?

[Brian]

I find their songs a little, like, obvious, if that makes sense. Like, just never connected with me. I'm always just like, look, I can't perform this, but I could write this. Yeah. I don't know. Something about Coldplay.

[Walt]

By the numbers, you're saying for me.

[Brian]

And I have gotten a lot of pushback over the years from people who are like, oh, Coldplay's fucking awesome and stuff, and blah, blah, blah. I've just never connected with their music.

[Walt]

Now are they. The two brothers are always fighting.

[Brian]

That's Oasis.

[Walt]

Oh, fuck, man. Do a lot of people confuse Oasis and Coldplay?

[Brian]

This is the first time I've heard. I can't imagine that. It's not that it doesn't happen.

[Walt]

Okay. Because I. Wow. I just think when I think of those two bands, I kind of conflate them. Almost like Oasis play. Like they're just like one big band.

[Brian]

No, Oasis is like grittier and like more blue collar, working class type.

[Walt]

Brian just rolled his eyes. And when he. When you use the word gritty to you.

[Q]

Well, I'm talking about on the ceiling.

[Brian]

I'm talking about in comparison to Coldplay.

[Walt]

Okay, okay.

[Brian]

You know, and also they are grittier than I saw.

[Q]

Comments where like, can you imagine finding out your husband likes Coldplay this way? A lot of comments like that.

[Walt]

Oh, so it's kind of like you would kind of be looked up. Looked. It's as an insult to say you like Coldplay.

[Brian]

No, I think they're a very popular band.

[Walt]

Is it like Nickelback when people make fun of people who like Nickelback?

[Brian]

See, here's the truth is I would probably like Nickelback songs more than. Than Coldplay. Oh, people love Coldplay. There are.

[Walt]

I do. One of those people. I like that one song. Now I'm going to defend them like, to my.

[Brian]

I don't want to shit.

[Walt]

I don't like.

[Q]

I thought it was. I thought it was funny. This guy, the CEO of the company, he was with the hr. I mean, everything about it is just awesome. It's the CEO of the company with the HR lady breaking a lot of rules. I mean, you're really like fucking saying fuck you to everybody in the company.

[Brian]

He's fucking Coldplay, baby. Who gives a shit? Let's party.

[Q]

But he came forward and he, like, he issued an apology and A statement and all this stuff. And I'm like, I wouldn't say a goddamn word. It's like. It's not like it was like, say, JLo and Ben got caught cheating or something like that. It's like. It's just some guy.

[Walt]

No, I heard this was a big wig. I heard this was.

[Q]

Well, yeah, he's a CEO of a big company, for sure.

[Walt]

Largest tech company on the planet or something like that.

[Q]

Oh, is it really that big? Okay.

[Walt]

I think he's a fucking mover and shaker in the industry. And again, like you said, though, when you're. You have. You have an HR department and you fucking get caught doing that and yet. But you're going to hold your employees.

[Q]

To the other people's feet to the fire. Yeah.

[Walt]

Maybe you've even fired some of these people for. But you're. But you're too big to follow the rules. Oh, well, guess what.

[Q]

Yeah, it's like. It's one of those things where, like, you don't really have a dog in the fight, but you still enjoy watching it.

[Walt]

That's why I fucking love Coldplay, man. Coldplay fucking put it. Truth to power are like, fuck you and your fucking rules. That's what Coldplay does. They don't follow the rules.

[Brian]

I would love for you to listen to a Coldplay album, beginning to end and give me a review. Would you do that for me? Would you try it and see how far you can get?

[Walt]

A Coldplay album. It has that song on it. God, put a smile on your face. It's the only track I listen to. But that doesn't mean I don't love the other tracks though, because I do.

[Brian]

I'll give a listen to it. I'll listen to the album. This is a guy that fucking consciously uncoupled from what's her name. Yeah, he's like a. He said, look, I don't. I don't know the guy. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but he comes off his very Noel Gallagher. So serious.

[Walt]

Right. Noel Gallagher is the dude.

[Brian]

No, that's Oasis.

[Q]

Nolan, Liam, Chris Martin.

[Brian]

Chris, Chris.

[Q]

Chris Martin.

[Brian]

I think you're Noel Gallagher dead.

[Walt]

That's Coldplay. A guy. I think.

[Brian]

I don't know other brothers in Oasis.

[Walt]

But I love the fact that they just take down fucking multi billionaires like that.

[Brian]

They don't.

[Q]

Some girl.

[Walt]

Did we have a Coldplay's permission?

[Q]

Yeah, that's true. Well, Coldplay called them out. The guy called him out, he was like, they're either really shy or they're having an affair. And he was right.

[Walt]

Oh, man. The Coldplay's been like. They reformed for this tour, right?

[Brian]

I don't. I have no. Oasis did. Oasis did? Yes. Dude, I think you just like Oasis. I don't think you know a single Coldplay song.

[Walt]

Tell him, Steve.

[Q]

Dave.

[Walt]

I think you're right. I don't know what I'm talking about.