I’m Stealing Your Wife

Summary

Tell Me Lies: Official Podcast – “I’m Stealing Your Wife”

Host: Stassi Schroeder
Guests: Kathryn Missile, Spencer House, Brandon Cook, Charlotte Svensson
Release Date: February 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the love triangle drama at the heart of Season 3 of Tell Me Lies, focusing on the tangled relationships between Wrigley, Evan, and Brie. Stassi is joined by cast members Kathryn Missile, Spencer House, and Brandon Cook to dissect the evolving dynamics, jaw-dropping moments, and behind-the-scenes mishaps that shaped the latest episodes. Costume designer Charlotte Svensson joins to reveal how she crafts the show’s early-2000s college looks, what trends made the cut (and which didn't), and how New Orleans shaped her style sense. Expect a lively, honest, and sometimes chaotic roundtable filled with pop culture callbacks, on-set confessions, and genuine laughs.

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Segment Summaries & Key Insights

Recap of This Week’s Episode (00:01–02:51)

• Stassi gives a dramatic recap: Brie and Wrigley finally confess their feelings and plan to break up with their partners. Evan, feeling alienated from Brie, listens to Oliver’s dubious advice and gets Brie’s mom drunk at her art show, causing chaos. Lucy and Steven’s manipulations come to a head, and several confessions and betrayals are exposed.
• Notable plot twist: Brie learns in the shower scene that Evan slept with Lucy.

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Love Triangle Character Comparisons (02:51–05:14)

Stassi asks the trio to compare Evan and Wrigley to classic pop culture duos and love triangle rivals:

• Gaston & Beast (“Beauty and the Beast”):
  • Kathryn: “Whoever's the fanciest one, that's Evan." (03:05)
  • Spencer: “The Beast is pretty fancy, but he’s like…”
  • Brandon: “He was a prince. He had a palace…” (03:19)
• Han Solo & Luke Skywalker (“Star Wars”):
  • Group agrees: Wrigley is Han, Evan is Luke (03:44).
• Jay Gatsby & Tom Buchanan (“The Great Gatsby”):
  • Stassi: “You’re Tom Buchanan. He's the worst. […] Evan's pretty bad, to be honest.” (04:18)
  • Spencer: “You only find that out in season three.” (04:21)
• Buzz Lightyear & Woody (“Toy Story”):
  • Self-aware, playful comparison. (05:02–05:15)

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Behind-the-Scenes and Character Insights

Wrigley’s Real Name Debate (05:15–06:32)

• Playful confusion over the canonical status of Wrigley’s first name (Michael in the book, changed in the show).

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Actor Swaps: Who Would You Play? (06:32–08:16)

• Kathryn (Brie): Would play Steven for his “hidden, reserved evil,” or Pippa because “she’s just that girl.” (06:49–07:09)
• Brandon (Wrigley): Picks Lucy, admitting “a lot happening, a lot going on… seems exhausting to play but highly emotional.” (07:24)
• Spencer (Evan): Would enjoy playing Pippa for her fun and complexity. (08:13)

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Foreshadowing and the Triangle’s Roots (08:16–09:32)

• Spencer remembers his very first line (“I’m stealing your wife”) foreshadowed the triangle all along. (08:26)
  • “I pick her up and say, 'I’m stealing your wife.’ That was my first line.” (09:09)

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Most Memorable Trio Scenes (09:32–12:44)

• Favorite scene: Kathryn and Brandon cite their on-street fight in episode six—enjoying rare group shoots with misty overnight energy. (09:53–10:39)
• Lake house episode: On-set chaos included a house struck by lightning, a COVID outbreak, feverish hallucinations, and tick infestations. (11:00–12:17)
  • Kathryn: “I had like a 104-degree fever. Like it was wild.” (11:38)
  • Spencer: “The house got struck by lightning… so much equipment…” (11:53)

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Proud (and Not-So-Proud) Character Moments (13:44–16:26)

• Spencer (Evan): Proud that Evan tried to be proactive in solving his problems, especially losing Brie. “He wasn't passive... I don’t think he made the right decision, but I’m proud of that.” (14:26)
• Kathryn (Brie): Brie’s resilience: “Picking herself up over and over again and dusting herself off.” (14:47)
• Questionable moments: “Getting Brie’s mom drunk.” (16:34)
  • Spencer: “That’s brave. That’s some wild shit.” (16:37)
• Commentary on the show’s morality: “The bar is so low in this show that if you do anything remotely okay, you're like, you're a saint.” – Spencer (17:33)

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What Audiences Misunderstand About Evan (17:49–18:42)

• Spencer: “He’s just a hurt little boy trying to figure it out… I hope people understand that. He’s trying.” (17:53)

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Evan’s Bad Boy Era (18:42–19:38)

• Playing Evan's transformation in Season 3 was fun because it let Spencer play him as more relaxed, less anxious, and “finally say what he was thinking.”

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Wrigley’s Happiness and His Relationship with Brie (19:38–21:27)

• Spencer: “Being himself makes [Wrigley] happy. And he's rarely ever that. So whenever he gets to be himself, I think it’s like taking a ton of weight off his shoulders…He finds that in Brie.” (19:54)
• Both Kathryn and Spencer agree: Wrigley and Brie’s relationship evolved naturally from friendship, without games or pretenses. (21:27)

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Big Secrets Revealed: Brie Learns the Truth (21:55–22:36)

• Kathryn reflects on the tension of finally reaching the script moment where Brie learns Evan’s secret: “I was glad we finally figured out...it was pressure, honestly, because I was like, this is a huge moment.” (22:08)

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Costume Designer Charlotte Svensson: Nostalgia, Trends & On-Set Fashion

New Orleans Connection & Aughts Fashion (23:03–24:59)

• Stassi and Charlotte bond over being “New Orleans girlies.”
• Charlotte talks nostalgia: “Low rise jeans, always tucking the whale tail.” (24:20)
  • “That time period was a piece of clothing, it would be the low rise Jean.” – Stassi (24:32)
• Both love/hate relationship with problematic trends (bubble hem, wide elastic belts, owl necklaces), which Charlotte intentionally avoided for main cast. (24:50–25:52)

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Dressing for Character & Story (26:08–28:20)

• Costume choices are script-based and reflect characters’ emotional states.
  • “It could be I’m really depressed about Steven and I’m really sexy and unhinged. Or that could be unhinged I’m just wearing a sweatshirt I’ve been wearing to sleep for three days." – Charlotte (28:20)

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Styling for Party Scenes and Time Jumps (28:54–29:37)

• Flash forward (wedding scenes) required visually aged-up, more sophisticated looks (Herve Leger, bridesmaids’ dresses).
  • “We wanted to…make them look very different and older.” (28:56)

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Favorite and Hardest Parties to Style (29:37–31:02)

• Favorite: “It’s the goth party… Everyone wore a heavy eyeliner, the jelly bracelets… the indie sleaze American Apparel.” – Charlotte (30:07)
• Hardest: “Apres ski” due to the cast cloaked in down jackets mid-summer heat.
  • “Brandon Cook, who plays Evan, was fully in like a down-filled, very expensive one piece in a very thick turtleneck.” (30:49)

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Most Iconic Looks (31:23–32:02)

• Top Looks:
  • Striped top and low-rise jeans at the spring fair.
  • Season 3 bar scene: green Dolce coat with fur, low-rise jeans, vintage Ellie Tahari top, knee-high boots.
    • “That one's iconic.” – Charlotte (31:29)

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Where Do They Shop? Vintage Culture (32:02–34:46)

• Grace (Lucy) shops only vintage, mostly in-person.
• Charlotte’s favorite online sources: “[eBay] alerts set up for all of Prada, Miu Miu… The RealReal… Depop, Poshmark.” (32:51)
• Favorite LA vintage shops include Star Day, Squaresville, The RealReal, Paper Bag Princess (by appointment). (33:46)

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New Orleans Influence & Aesthetic (34:11–34:54)

• Charlotte credits New Orleans for her affinity toward “dark, goth” aesthetics and party scenes.
  • “New Orleans informs everything that I do and am so same." – Stassi (34:19)

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Memorable Quotes

• Spencer House:
  • “I pick her up and say, ‘I’m stealing your wife.’ That was my first line.” (09:09)
  • “The bar is so low in this show that if you do anything remotely okay, you’re like, you’re a saint.” (17:33)
• Kathryn Missile:
  • “Walks into a room and she's really confident, and I love that.” On playing Pippa (07:09)
• Charlotte Svensson:
  • “I think for Lucy…it is Lauren Conrad, it is Kristin Cavallari, it is Nicole Richie and the Gossip Girl—the whole show, basically. But it's just pared down.” (27:27)
  • “It could be I'm really depressed about Steven and I'm really sexy and unhinged. Or...just wearing a sweatshirt I've been wearing to sleep for three days.” (28:20)
• Stassi Schroeder:
  • “That time period was a piece of clothing, it would be the low rise jean.” (24:32)
  • “Gaslighting little piece of shit.” (15:10)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:01] – Episode recap and setup
• [02:52] – Classic love triangle comparisons
• [06:32] – Actor character-swap choices
• [09:46] – Most memorable shoots (lake house/overnight fight)
• [13:44] – Proud and questionable character moments
• [17:49] – Misunderstandings about Evan
• [19:38] – What makes Wrigley happy & Brie relationship insights
• [21:55] – Brie learns the truth
• [23:03] – Costume deep dive with Charlotte Svensson
• [28:54] – Party scene styling & wedding looks
• [31:23] – Most iconic costumes
• [32:02] – Vintage shopping culture
• [34:11] – New Orleans' fashion influence

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Tone & Style

The conversation is playful, energetic, and self-aware, blending show analysis with humor and honesty. The cast and creators lean into the messiness of their characters while sharing genuine affection for the series and each other. Charlotte’s segment adds a warm, nostalgic vibe with loving nods to Y2K trends and the quirks of costuming for college drama.

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For the Uninitiated

Whether you’re new to Tell Me Lies or a returning viewer, this episode breaks down not just what happened on screen, but how cast dynamics, behind-the-scenes events, and sharp-eyed costume choices drive the emotional highs and lows of the season’s juiciest triangle—and why the series’ flawed characters keep everyone talking.

Transcript

[Stassi Schroeder]

Hello, and welcome back to Hulu's Tell Me Lies official podcast. I'm your host, Stassi Schroeder, and I'm here every week catching up on the chaos, sharing backstage moments, and hanging out with a cast and crew of Tell me Lies Season 3, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney. And this week is crazy because Kathryn Missile, Spencer House, and Brandon Cook are all here at the same time. Okay. To talk about this season's most tangled trio. Wrigley, Evan, and Brie. And if that's not enough, Tell Me Lies costume designer Charlotte Svensson is here to talk about how she creates all those ridiculously accurate throwback looks for the show. But just in case you missed this week's episode, here's a recap. Brie and Wrigley finally share their feelings and make a plan to break up with their plus ones. Evan, still upset about being distant from Brie, turns to the most toxic plus place for advice. Oliver again. Lucy warns Tegan about Steven, and Teigen actually takes her advice and breaks up with him. A first. Lucy schemes with Evan to deny their secret history in the event that Stephen tells Bree, and then manipulates Steven into agreeing to tell Bree. In an attempt to get her taped confession back, the student has become the teacher. Speaking of, Evan takes Oliver's advice about taking what he wants and offers to pick up Bree's mom before the exhibition. So he gets her drunk before Brie's big show, and things go awry. When she gets there, mission accomplished. Wrigley tells Bree that he broke up with Pippa, but that she shouldn't feel bad about it. And Pippa, who's the only one not at Brie's show, is confused and upset by Diana's choice to go to Stanford. So she tells Wrigley to come over, and then they hook up. Brie, meanwhile, is dealing with her mom, and Lucy steps in to help. But when Steven hears her say that Brie is the best person ever, he loses it and lashes out at her. Lucy completely breaks down in his room later, and Steven actually feels something for once and gives her the tape. She tells Pippa and Bri about the whole ordeal, and Pippa tells them about her night with Wrigley. So Bri heartbrokenly heads to Evans, and they start to patch things up. And like, 10 seconds later, when he's in the shower, she figures out that the girl that he slept with was Lucy. Yikes. I have some questions for Kat. Okay, these are fun ones. Okay, we're gonna compare your trio, your Little love triangle to these classic love triangles. All right, who between Evan and Wrigley is Gaston and who's the Beast?

[Kathryn Missile]

I think.

[Spencer House]

Oh, maybe Gaston. Maybe Gaston. You would love that. Gaston's the coolest guy in town.

[Kathryn Missile]

I would make Gaston for sure.

[Spencer House]

I appreciate that.

[Kathryn Missile]

Like any of. Any of these choices. Whoever's the fanciest one, that's Evan.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Oh, that's true.

[Spencer House]

Wait, I don't know if I.

[Stassi Schroeder]

The Beast was a prince.

[Spencer House]

The Beast is pretty fancy. I know. The Beast was kind of lit.

[Brandon Cook]

Yeah, the Beast is fancy, but he's like.

[Stassi Schroeder]

I mean, he was a prince. He had a palace. Yeah. Gaston just lived in the village.

[Brandon Cook]

That's so true.

[Kathryn Missile]

Yeah, but he was arrogant and, like, flashy. The Beast hides away.

[Stassi Schroeder]

That's true.

[Kathryn Missile]

No one knows how emotional the Beast is.

[Brandon Cook]

Facts, you know?

[Stassi Schroeder]

No one knows how deep his emotions go. There's depth to the Beast. There is. Okay, who's Han Solo and who's Luke Skywalker?

[Spencer House]

It can be Han Solo.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Okay.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Okay.

[Brandon Cook]

Wrigley can be Han Solo. Wrigley can be Han Solo.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Okay, Han Solo.

[Spencer House]

I'll take Luke.

[Stassi Schroeder]

And you'll take it? You're good with it?

[Spencer House]

Yeah, I'm good with that.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Who is Jay Gatsby and who's Tom Buchanan? This one's dark.

[Spencer House]

Jay Gatsby is so much cooler.

[Brandon Cook]

Wrigley's Jay Gatsby.

[Spencer House]

Wait, you're just doing anything that Spencer says?

[Kathryn Missile]

I, like, hear him in my ear, being like, please, please, just.

[Spencer House]

I don't know. That's how that works.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Is that what you really think? Yeah, sure. Yeah. Okay. I'm sorry. You're Tom Buchanan. Like, he's the worst. He's, like, one of the worst characters, like, in English literature, imo.

[Kathryn Missile]

I mean, Evan's pretty bad, to be honest.

[Spencer House]

Really?

[Stassi Schroeder]

You know, you only find that out in season three.

[Kathryn Missile]

Yeah.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Which it broke my heart. Like, it. Because Evan was my favorite male character, and then he quickly became not my least favorite because, like, Steven's the fucking worst.

[Spencer House]

Sure.

[Stassi Schroeder]

But the second you got her mom drunk.

[Spencer House]

Well, you know, it's. Yeah, it's complicated, isn't it?

[Stassi Schroeder]

I don't even know. It's complicated.

[Spencer House]

I think. Yeah. I took initiative. I tried to write. Thank you, Spencer. I appreciate it.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

Yeah.

[Stassi Schroeder]

I think he's crazy. Not you. Defending problematic behavior. But, you know, that's fine. Who is Buzz Lightyear and who's Sheriff Woody?

[Brandon Cook]

Buzz Woody.

[Spencer House]

I'll take that. I'll take that.

[Kathryn Missile]

Although you, like, weren't you. Aren't you, like, a cowboy for Halloween. You're Indiana Jones.

[Spencer House]

I was. So I'm probably closer to Woody in real life.

[Brandon Cook]

Yeah.

[Kathryn Missile]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

But I'll take Buzz Lightyear.

[Kathryn Missile]

Yeah.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Okay, pop quiz. What is Wrigley's real name.

[Spencer House]

In the book? In the book, it's Michael. But then Megan took liberties to change his name for the show. Well, what's his first name? What do you mean? What's Wrigley's first name?

[Stassi Schroeder]

Wait, Wrigley's the last.

[Spencer House]

In the book? In the book it's Michael, but in.

[Kathryn Missile]

The show, we drop that Wrigley and Michael Rigley.

[Spencer House]

His last name is Wrigley. So what's his first name?

[Stassi Schroeder]

But what's his first name?

[Spencer House]

If his last name is Wrigley, then what's his first name?

[Kathryn Missile]

Yeah, Michael.

[Stassi Schroeder]

So it still is Michael.

[Spencer House]

In the book, it's Michael. Yeah, but your last name.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Wrigley is your last name.

[Spencer House]

Megan Oppenheimer, the creator of the show Megan Oppenheimer, took the liberties to change his first name so it's no longer Michael.

[Kathryn Missile]

No, but.

[Stassi Schroeder]

But, no, but just meaning. Because the way your friends sometimes call you by your last name and then that becomes the thing.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

They call him Wrigley, which is last name, because Drew Wrigley.

[Stassi Schroeder]

That's your first name.

[Spencer House]

True. What do you mean?

[Stassi Schroeder]

You still have a first name. It's just your friends call you by your last name.

[Spencer House]

Wrigley's his last name, right?

[Charlotte Svensson]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

So what's the question?

[Stassi Schroeder]

What's your fucking first name?

[Spencer House]

Michael. It's Michael. I think we should move on.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Okay, I'm going to ask each of you this question. We're going to start with Kat. If you could swap places with any character just for one episode, like, act out that character, you know, who would it be? You can pick a dude if you want. Who do you think would be the most fun to play?

[Kathryn Missile]

I mean, Steven's a fun character to play because he's so evil.

[Stassi Schroeder]

So diabolical.

[Kathryn Missile]

So diabolical. But it's like very, like underneath the surface. You know what I mean? He, like, keeps it reserved, like hidden secret. But I think Pip is also a really fun character to play. Cause she's just like that girl, you.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Know what I mean?

[Kathryn Missile]

She walks into a room and she's really confident, and I love that.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Great answers. Spencer, you're gonna go last. Okay. Brandon, what would you say?

[Spencer House]

Weirdly enough, maybe Lucy. Then if you pick Steven, then I'll pick Lucy.

[Brandon Cook]

Oh, cool.

[Spencer House]

Because I probably would have picked Steven as well. But, like, Lucy is like, it's A lot happening. It's a lot going on.

[Kathryn Missile]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

It seems. Well, it seems exhausting to play, but yes, highly emotional. Yeah. There's a fun element to the exhaustion of it.

[Kathryn Missile]

Yeah. Always dealing with chaos.

[Spencer House]

Yeah. A lot of things happening to deal with.

[Stassi Schroeder]

I think that's thriving in chaos. I feel like she doesn't know how to live without chaos.

[Spencer House]

Exactly. And that's fun, I think.

[Stassi Schroeder]

All right, Spencer, you can't say. Moving on.

[Spencer House]

I won't. I won't. I think Jackson has the most fun, writing wise. Jackson has the most fun. Obviously, he's the contrarian to the whole thing, but I'm gonna give the same answer. I think if. I don't think Jackson applies just. Cause it's so obvious. But if it wasn't probably Pippa. I feel like Pippa has some fun stuff.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Okay, so Steven, Lucy and Pippa.

[Spencer House]

Yeah.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Cool. So let's talk about this love triangle. Did you guys see this shit coming? Because I did not.

[Spencer House]

No, no, I don't think so. I did. I did.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Oh, you actually am.

[Spencer House]

Oh, no. Look at the first line of the show. I said, I'm stealing your wife. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You did try to shoot up and said, I'm stealing your wife. And then I tried to kill everyone who got in the way. I tried to kill you with a bowling ball. Yeah. Y.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Drew.

[Brandon Cook]

Oh, my God.

[Spencer House]

And Tyreek. What happened to Tyreek? Six feet under. That's what happened. Whatever character Tyreek played, I mean, that's another version of the story for sure. Teddy. I think. Yeah.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Yeah.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Were you really looking into those things? And you were like, I could see this happening.

[Spencer House]

That's intense. Yeah. I think from the beginning, Wrigley was out to kill everyone who got in his way.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

And nobody. I pick her up and say, I'm stealing your wife. Yeah, that was my first line. No, that was actually a good connection.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Episode one again.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

When you said that, that was. No, Megan told. Megan and I. We were like, just wait. Just wait. And I ran and I went, I'm stealing your wife.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Wow.

[Spencer House]

I didn't see that. I didn't think it was gonna make it in. Yeah. Yeah.

[Stassi Schroeder]

All right. Well, what do you.

[Spencer House]

But I'll kill everyone. That's.

[Stassi Schroeder]

What do. You Were the most memorable moments between your characters. And it doesn't have to be this season. It could be any of the first from the first two, I think.

[Kathryn Missile]

Like episode six. Is it when we have the fight.

[Brandon Cook]

Outside in the street?

[Kathryn Missile]

Yes.

[Stassi Schroeder]

When he's. You guys have the fight and then he's there to witness it.

[Kathryn Missile]

I think just cause as a straight line.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Oh.

[Kathryn Missile]

On the way back together. But that was a really fun night to shoot.

[Spencer House]

Oh, that was the best night.

[Kathryn Missile]

Those scenes was really cool.

[Spencer House]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kathryn Missile]

So it's maybe my personal like favorite.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Wait, what made that. That shoot so fun?

[Kathryn Missile]

Just was random.

[Spencer House]

We also don't get to all three be together in that way. So it was. It was fun to like. I think we all get along pretty well and that was a fun time to be together. I also love overnights. Yeah. It was a nice shoot too. I love staying up all night and shooting. Yeah, I do.

[Kathryn Missile]

And we were in a cool area.

[Spencer House]

Yeah, we were in such a great area. Yeah.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Yeah.

[Kathryn Missile]

And it was like rainy and kind of misty.

[Spencer House]

Yeah. For the night with us. Cause there's two nights we were on that campus and the campus was beautiful.

[Kathryn Missile]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

Is it just from the season? Is that the question?

[Stassi Schroeder]

No, it could be from any season.

[Spencer House]

I think the most memorable is probably from the lake house, but not for a good reason. All hell broke loose at that lake house.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

And I think like in the house got struck by lightning.

[Brandon Cook]

And in real life.

[Stassi Schroeder]

In real life. Please do tell. Because we all want to know behind the scenes secrets.

[Spencer House]

The house got struck by lightning.

[Stassi Schroeder]

What?

[Spencer House]

It was boiling. Then got shocked because he was on his phone and his phone was plugged into the wall and the house got struck. I think Covid happened a couple times to people during that. During the late hours. We went down high. A couple people started with you. It was your fault.

[Brandon Cook]

Let's not.

[Kathryn Missile]

Let's not.

[Brandon Cook]

Are you the super spreader?

[Spencer House]

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. We were on canoes all day. We were on canoes all day. And I started. I was so sick. I started hallucinating. It was crazy.

[Kathryn Missile]

I had like 104 degrees fever. Like it was wild.

[Spencer House]

It was also boiling and we were in Atlanta at the time and it was. It was. I mean, it's hotlanta for a reason.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

So it was. It definitely lived up to the name and.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Oh yeah.

[Stassi Schroeder]

I can't believe the house was struck by lightning.

[Spencer House]

Yeah. It was a crazy. It was a crazy storm that happened. I don't know. It was like multiple times. Yeah. And then. And then around.

[Stassi Schroeder]

We read multiple times.

[Spencer House]

We had so much equipment in the house that the metal and there were. There were even giant holes outside of the. Outside of the house too. For the times that it missed and it just like flung up dirt. Everybody was safe though. Everybody was safe. We got ticks. Yeah. What? Oh, wait. I Got ticks all over me.

[Kathryn Missile]

But we. We all stayed in a lake house together.

[Spencer House]

No, different lan.

[Kathryn Missile]

Separate. We, like, rented a lake house together.

[Spencer House]

Yeah, we thought that'd be a good idea.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah.

[Kathryn Missile]

It wound up a lot of fun.

[Brandon Cook]

Was it not terrible?

[Spencer House]

No, it was fine.

[Stassi Schroeder]

It was fun in the beginning, but.

[Spencer House]

Then we all got sick and it was. That's where it got a little weird.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Well, you know what? At least you were all sick at the same time.

[Spencer House]

Sure. Yeah. They had to call it. They had to call it, and we had to leave and come back and do it again when we were all healthy.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Yeah.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Wow. What a shit show.

[Spencer House]

It was an interesting time, but it.

[Brandon Cook]

Made for a great episode, I think.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah, for sure.

[Spencer House]

Yeah. We'll never forget it.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Can't believe all of the lightning striking. Which parts of the love triangle storyline were the most fun to create?

[Spencer House]

I think it wasn't directly part of this triangle, but the other triangle that there was, I think, with Lucy. No, sorry. Well, I feel like I was always in some type of triangle.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah, you were.

[Spencer House]

But with Oliver, how that kind of ended up being a part of all.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Of it as well, and how you just kept going to him for advice, which I will ask you about.

[Spencer House]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was very interesting.

[Stassi Schroeder]

I feel like I'm coming at you like I'm being accusatory. But, like, I know it's not you. I know it's your character.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Right, right, right.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Just trust. I'm invested. And so, like, you know, I feel things about it.

[Spencer House]

I understand.

[Stassi Schroeder]

What scene made you or moment made you really proud of your character. And you can each answer.

[Kathryn Missile]

I'm like, well, am I proud of her?

[Stassi Schroeder]

I don't know.

[Spencer House]

That's what gets tricky. It's like, when you look at the decisions. Yeah, I can understand the decisions. I don't agree with them. But I can understand in his state, he would take some of those decisions that he thinks was for his betterment. But I don't know if I'm necessarily proud of him.

[Stassi Schroeder]

You don't have to be proud of your character as a whole.

[Spencer House]

Right.

[Stassi Schroeder]

You just have to be proud. You can be proud of certain moments or decisions.

[Spencer House]

I'm proud that he saw a problem and tried to find a solution actively. I don't think he did a good job of that.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Which problem?

[Spencer House]

His life. But more specifically, like, losing Brie and trying to actively figure out how to solve that.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

I think that takes some initiative. And he wasn't passive about it, which is like, I can be proud of that. I don't think he made the right decision in going about it, but I'm proud of that.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah, That's a great answer.

[Kathryn Missile]

Yeah. I think with Brie just picking herself up over and over again and dusting herself off and, like, not letting what people's. Especially Oliver's opinion of her, like, I mean, it does. It does obviously affect her, but, like, you know, he says some pretty nasty things to her, and she has to, like, keep going. She has to, you know, go to her classes and make sure she's, like, keeping up her grades and doing her thing.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Gaslighting little piece of shit.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Yeah.

[Kathryn Missile]

Master manipulator mother.

[Spencer House]

Yeah. When Wrigley starts getting a little. A little bit more wiser to Jackson, a little bit Steven. And that was fun. What? It's this whole thing. This conversation is bullshit.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

Yeah. That was just fun to play, too. Cause it's like you've been doing years of kind of, like, being like, yeah, yeah. And then it was. And that was kind of a moment of like, oh, cool. That's fun to play with, I guess. Same. I mean, I got to do a little bit of that, too. And I was. That was fun to kind of be more straightforward. And I feel like we got a little smarter.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

Like, I mean, we got older technically, too. Yeah, that's true in real life. And the characters, they're seniors on the last semester, so it's like. It is more. That's true. Some wisdom came.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah. Like, I personally loved when no one gave a shit that he got into Yale.

[Spencer House]

Yeah. We, like, pretended to.

[Stassi Schroeder]

That was fun to watch. And he just spiraled. You could just see him spiraling in his head. And, like, everyone's like, that's one of my favorite scenes.

[Spencer House]

I thought Jackson did such a good job at almost having this little realization that it's like, oh, I don't have any friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Okay. Which scene or moment made you question your characters? Oh, I mean, like, everyone. You're in.

[Kathryn Missile]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

Getting Bri's mom drunk.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

I was like, wow, that's. That's brave. That's some wild shit.

[Stassi Schroeder]

That really was some wild shit.

[Spencer House]

Yeah. No, I remember reading it. It was like, oh, okay, this is gonna be interesting. And then just playing none the wiser.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

Once we get to the art gallery.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Has she been drinking?

[Spencer House]

She was like this when I picked her up. Like, yeah. I don't know what happened. She was like this when I picked her up. And then trying to explain that to Bri and be like, let's just go home, you know? Let's get out of here. And she's like, nah, nah, I'm okay.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

So it never works out quite how Evan wants it to.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Yeah.

[Kathryn Missile]

I think our falling in love is pretty wild.

[Spencer House]

That's a little questionable.

[Kathryn Missile]

Questionable.

[Stassi Schroeder]

You know what? I'm really anti cheating in life, but I was very much here for it because you could just feel like y' all played this so well.

[Spencer House]

Like, just the bar is so low in this show that if you do anything remotely. Okay. You're like, you're a saint. Because I'll see. I'll hear people being like, wrigley's such a good guy.

[Stassi Schroeder]

What do you think people misunderstand about Evan that he wants them to know?

[Spencer House]

I think he really is trying, and I think he really does care very deeply for something, and I think, not to make it sad, but I think he's just a hurt little boy that's trying to figure it out. And he makes a lot of bad decisions trying to figure it out. And I think that stems from, like, they mentioned a little bit, like, his relationship with his dad and his relationship with his parents, and he's an only child, and, you know, I'm an only child as well. Like, I can understand. I mean, I didn't have the same life he had at all, but I can understand there being at times a lostness and trying to grab on this stuff.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Mm.

[Spencer House]

Yeah. I hope people understand that. He's. He's trying.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

It's not great, but he's trying to.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah. Well, he also goes through this transformation in season three. What was the most fun part of entering your bad boy era? I guess.

[Spencer House]

Is that what that was? I mean, it was. I think that transition was a little closer, maybe, to me. A little closer in terms of, like, how I interact with people, how I talk. Not in a disrespectful way, but, like. Yeah. A little more straightforward at times or relax. I think Evan normally is a little anxious all the time, and it was fun. I got to chill more, I got to say kind of more what I felt like Evan was thinking.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

And he had been tucking and pushing down a lot, so that was fun.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah.

[Spencer House]

I don't have to pretend and be a people pleaser so much.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Right.

[Spencer House]

That was fun.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Spencer. So Wrigley seems to always want to make everyone around him happy. Okay. Or to provide what they need. What makes Wrigley happy? And what does he need that he finds in Brie 2 parter?

[Spencer House]

That's a good question. Yeah. Yeah. I think being himself makes him happy. And he's rarely ever that. So whenever he gets to be himself, I think it's like taking a ton of weight off of his shoulders. And I think he finds that in Bree, and that kind of is magnetic to him. It's not anybody else's business what goes on with your family, except mine, because I forced you to involve me. But no, I'm not gonna say anything to anybody. When he's with Pippa. I'm trying to think of a different word than lie, but the whole thing's built on lies.

[Kathryn Missile]

Tell me lies.

[Spencer House]

Yeah, I know. That's why I'm telling the truth. And so I feel like it's like a breath of fresh air. It's like coming up from being underwater whenever he's with Brie.

[Stassi Schroeder]

And I think that he can be himself. Because you guys didn't set out to date. You weren't trying to impress each other. You know what I mean?

[Kathryn Missile]

Yeah, we were friends first.

[Stassi Schroeder]

You were friends first. In fact, it was the opposite, sort of.

[Kathryn Missile]

We never really talked about it.

[Spencer House]

Yeah. I think that's kind of the funny thing is that the one time we talk, we realize that about ourselves. Cause I don't think we really talk.

[Kathryn Missile]

Not at all.

[Stassi Schroeder]

But it's not like you guys were at a party and you're like, oh, I think this person's hot. I think this is hot. Let me put my best foot forward and try and impress.

[Spencer House]

Right.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah, there was. You could just be real.

[Spencer House]

But, yeah, I think that's what it was, is that both guards are down. I can't speak to what you were doing. But for Wrigley, that was true.

[Kathryn Missile]

No, that's the same for Breeze. Just the dropping of all of the bullshit. Like, just let me just be myself and see what happens. I also think, like, yeah, it just happened organically. She's in a really vulnerable place when he's there for her, like, and he steps in to be there for her. He's obviously looking for kind of an escape, even just from campus. And she goes and meets her mom, and it's like a very vulnerable moment. And I think they just bond.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah. So Brie figures out that Evan and Lucy have been keeping a huge secret from her in this episode. What was Yalls reactions when you got to the last page of the script and read that reveal?

[Kathryn Missile]

Oh, I was glad we finally figured out when she found out, like. Cause, you know, we know that she knows, but we don't know when or how. And it was pressure, honestly, because I was like, this is a huge moment. And I was nervous about playing it, but I don't know, we get to see that unfold even further and it's really drama.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Well, thank you guys so much for being here.

[Spencer House]

Thanks.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Like my Tell me lies dreams are coming true every day. So, like, this is incredible. After the break, costume designer Charlotte Svensson takes us behind the scenes of building Tell me lies vintage looks. Okay. Charlotte, wait. This is huge. We're both from New Orleans.

[Charlotte Svensson]

I know. Massive.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Number one question. New Orleans people always ask, where'd you go to high school?

[Charlotte Svensson]

Sagrenhardt. Oh, Sagredart on St. Jose.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Oh, you were fancier than me. I'm a Mount Carmel girl and Sacred Heart. Those girls were a little. You guys were a little cooler than us, and you know it.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Well, we got to wear our skirt shorter, which was huge.

[Stassi Schroeder]

That's great for you guys. No, the nuns made us kneel. You know what I mean? And if it didn't touch the ground, then we were in trouble.

[Charlotte Svensson]

That's bull bullshit.

[Stassi Schroeder]

You know what I mean?

[Charlotte Svensson]

Yeah, Hate that.

[Stassi Schroeder]

But like, we're New Orleans girlies.

[Charlotte Svensson]

I know.

[Stassi Schroeder]

What year did you graduate?

[Charlotte Svensson]

2010.

[Stassi Schroeder]

So I went to college the exact years that this show takes place. And so whenever I see a different character pop up in an outfit, I'm like, oh, my God. I'm instantly transported back. So, like, I want to know what was like some of your favorite trends or looks from the aughts, you know, that you were excited to bring to this show?

[Charlotte Svensson]

Totally. I think for me, I was a little bit different from the show and the fact that I dressed like a tumblr girl like this fashion bloggers like Rumi Neely and I hate blonde. And that kind of exists in the background of our show. Cause we tried to stay away from anything that was too trendy for the girls.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah.

[Charlotte Svensson]

But the trends I was excited to bring were low rise jeans, always tucking the whale tail.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Do you like a low rise jean?

[Charlotte Svensson]

For myself, never has to start underneath the bus and go straight to the floor.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Absolutely. There's nothing more uncomfortable than a low rise jean. I wish I had Grace's body to get away with that low rise jean because it's so flattering. But that is if. If that time period was a piece of clothing, it would be the low rise Jean.

[Charlotte Svensson]

100%.

[Stassi Schroeder]

So, yes. Sorry, I interrupted you.

[Charlotte Svensson]

No, all good. There's so many things that I was excited to bring, but also things I wanted to stay away. There's so many bad trends, like the bubble hem. We were like, we're not doing that on the show at all.

[Stassi Schroeder]

I wear the bubble hem all the time now.

[Charlotte Svensson]

You're bringing it back.

[Stassi Schroeder]

It's back.

[Charlotte Svensson]

It's different, though, Charlotte.

[Stassi Schroeder]

It's back.

[Charlotte Svensson]

It's back. But the fabrics are better. Mm. You remember the bubble hem that I'm.

[Stassi Schroeder]

I know what you're talking.

[Charlotte Svensson]

It was, like, on pure waist bubble hem. It's a different vibe now.

[Stassi Schroeder]

I did that last summer in Italy on Vanderpump Villa in sky blue, and now I'm feeling really insecure about it.

[Brandon Cook]

No, no, no, no.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Every time I wear, like, bubble hem shorts, I'm like, this is about. This trend's about to end, and I don't want it to.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Listen, come be back on. On our show. We could use you.

[Stassi Schroeder]

I really just, like, have me walk by in a bubble skirt.

[Charlotte Svensson]

I'd love it.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Wait, what other trends were you like? Absolutely not. This is too cringe. I don't want to bring this here.

[Charlotte Svensson]

For our main cast, for our background, we'll do anything. But for some reason, owl, like. Like, I don't know trend was really in the owl necklace.

[Stassi Schroeder]

I do remember owl necklace.

[Charlotte Svensson]

And then we had the wide elastic belts that were pretty awful. And since we're a very heavy sex show, it's just one extra step is too much for us. Leggings underneath everything. Lace leggings, solid leggings, Collared leggings.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah. I'm transported again. So you didn't want to bring back the fugly stuff?

[Charlotte Svensson]

I didn't want to bring back the fugly stuff. I wanted to be, like, nostalgic and fun and sort of of timeless. Because at the end of the day, they are just college kids. They're not like, you know, we weren't dressing up to go. I mean, to school. We were wearing sweatpants.

[Stassi Schroeder]

I was just about to say, when I was in school, I wore sweatpants and Uggs.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Totally.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Like, who was she?

[Charlotte Svensson]

Like, don't know her.

[Stassi Schroeder]

She's not going to. I'd be showing. If I was in college right now, this is how I'd be showing up. And I. With my little laptop, you know, just, like, typing away. Yeah. No, no sweatpants.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Yeah.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Any other ones? Like, matching velour?

[Charlotte Svensson]

Matching velour was huge. It's funny because there's, like, there's the it. Party girl version of things, and then there's the college version of things. Velour. I was excited about. I will say that. But we did. We haven't done a matching set. I feel like that's too try hard for our show.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah. And I guess you gotta take into consideration where they're at. Like they're not going to college in la. They're going to college in like upstate New York. So like, I don't think they're looking at people, you know, people like Paris Hilton and being like, I need to dress like that. Who do you think their style icons would be?

[Charlotte Svensson]

I think for Lucy. Cause I think about her often. It is Lauren Conrad, it is Kristin Cavallari, it is Nicole Richie and the Gossip Girl. The whole show, basically. But it's just pared down.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah.

[Charlotte Svensson]

And just taking little things from that. The Tiffany's jewelry, the, you know, the low rise jeans, the going out top. I think that's still there. It's just more mall brand vibes mixed with like, it's very high end, low end.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yes.

[Charlotte Svensson]

We got the Cavalli, we have the Dolce. But then it's like a Forever 21 top.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yes, totally. So when you're like, when you're creating these looks for these different characters, do you have to like take into consideration like what they're going through emotionally and like they're that like inner work and like put that in terms of their looks and wardrobes. Does that make sense?

[Charlotte Svensson]

Absolutely. I think it's script based. I think it's where they are emotionally. And that could be I'm really depressed about Steven and I'm really sexy and unhinged. Or that could be unhinged. I'm just wearing a sweatshirt I've been wearing to sleep for three days. And then it's what they have access to in the moment.

[Stassi Schroeder]

I'd like to assist you. That would be fun.

[Brandon Cook]

Please.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Like, I like, I love clothes.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Yeah.

[Stassi Schroeder]

So like just to like create a story with clothes.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Yeah.

[Stassi Schroeder]

What a dream. You have a dream. Okay, well so then you also flash forward to the wedding. So this is a different time period.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Totally.

[Stassi Schroeder]

How did then you approach that?

[Charlotte Svensson]

Luckily for us, we don't really know much about their story outside of these very specific events. So whether that's the engagement party or the bachelor bachelorette party or the wedding, we only see them very few times and usually dressed up, which already is so different than how they are in college. I mean, the most important thing is to, you know, notate those two things and make them look very different and older. So, you know, we're doing Herve Leger dresses. They're in bridesmaids dresses. It already looks so viscerally different. So we didn't have, you know, it's really trying to be ambiguous and not Say too much. Cause we really don't know what's happening in that storyline or where they're going.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah, I will say Bree's party dress, like the after the wedding, her after party dress. I'm like, that is the most. 2015, like Nailed It. Oh, like fully nailed it. But also on this show, you guys have so many fun themed parties. Like I could just list a million. It's like decades apres ski Beach Goth Valentine's Day. Which one? If you could just choose one. Which one was your favorite to style?

[Charlotte Svensson]

This is so easy for me. Okay.

[Spencer House]

It's.

[Charlotte Svensson]

It's the goth party and it's just because goth at that time just penetrated culture. I mean, people were wearing studs, Everyone wore a heavy eyeliner, the jelly bracelets. I just feel like everyone was doing their own version of that. So I mean, it was just so fun to do the party that spanned from like the Topshop London vibe to like the indie sleaze American Apparel. There was so much going on at the time, so that was the best.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Which one do you think was the hardest where you were just like.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Because it was the dead of summer.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Oh. Oh, that sucks. For everyone around, everyone around that they had to be dressing like that. In the Heat.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Brandon Cook, who plays Evan, was fully in like a down filled, very expensive one piece.

[Brandon Cook]

Oh.

[Charlotte Svensson]

In a very thick turtleneck.

[Stassi Schroeder]

I'm so sorry for him.

[Charlotte Svensson]

I'm sorry, Brandon.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Okay, so apres ski. Hardest one out of all the seasons. Okay, now this might be hard for you. What is your most memorable look or the one that you're like? That's it. That's the one. If you could only post. Let's say you had an on your Instagram. You could only post one look that you've done from Tell Me Lies. What would that look be?

[Charlotte Svensson]

Oof. Okay, I'm gonna have to do a tie. Cause you said that's fine.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Cause we could pretend it's a carousel.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Exactly. Number one would definitely be like the striped top with the lowri jeans. When she goes to the spring fair with Stephen and Diana sings her little acapella and they make out in the crowd. That one's iconic. And then my second favorite is from this season when she goes to the bar with Steven and they pseudo break up. She has that Dolce coat on that's green with the fur. And then she's wearing some low rise jeans, this vintage Ellie Tahari top, and these like kick ass knee high leather and suede embossed pointed toe shoes.

[Stassi Schroeder]

So you, you chose the Chicest things I did. No, that makes sense. Yeah. Grace was on the podcast last week and I forced her against her will and I don't care. Okay. To tell us where she shops in la. And she gave us some good spots. So she only shops vintage, which is very cool and chic of her. I'm like, have you ever shopped online? She's like, no. I'm like, I feel old. Okay, where do you shop? We wanna know where you are shopping.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Ooh, in la or just in general?

[Stassi Schroeder]

Selfishly, la. But I guess we're gonna go in general for all the viewers.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Okay. I'm big online just because they're the best deals and if you find something in store, chances are it's cheaper online. That's just me.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Where online? Give me those websites.

[Charlotte Svensson]

I mean, I'm classic. I go ebay. I have ebay alerts set up for all of Prada, Miu Miu. All of it real, real. It's unfortunately just.

[Stassi Schroeder]

No, we all love the real, real.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Depop, Poshmark, any Vestiere, any of the secondhand sites.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Oh. So are you guys ever wearing new clothes? Is everyone wearing vintage clothes? And did I. I didn't catch this.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Memo in the show or just in general? Oh, everyone's wearing vintage.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah, in general. Like, this isn't vintage.

[Charlotte Svensson]

It's cute, though. It's vintage inspired.

[Stassi Schroeder]

It's vintage inspired. And I thought I was somebody who, like, loved vintage clothes. I do, but I don't own a shit ton of vintage clothing. Turns out I'm doing it all wrong.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Yeah, you're a vintage Prada Miu Miu girl through and through. I can see it.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Thank you.

[Charlotte Svensson]

You're so welcome.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Don't cut that out. Okay, don't cut that out. Where's your favorite places to shop? In person.

[Charlotte Svensson]

In person in la. I love Star Day. I love Squaresville. The studio is really great. I'm new here, so I'm learning my bearings. Paper Bag Princess is great, but it's by appointment only. They're so sweet. Shout out to them. I love the real, real store here.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Yeah. Okay. Actually, I have one more fashion question that's just like top of mind. Do you think New Orleans inspired your style?

[Charlotte Svensson]

Oh, absolutely. I think that's also why I enjoy the goth parties so much, is just. Cause there was this goth marine y underground thing that was happening at the time.

[Stassi Schroeder]

But I think that New Orleans is a. In terms of just like culture, architecture, aesthetics, just like style, everything. It's its own unique thing. And when people ask me, like, why are you into spooky stuff or why are you into dark stuff? I'm like, it's cause I'm from New Orleans. I swear, New Orleans informs everything that I do and am so same. Yeah, we got that.

[Charlotte Svensson]

I know it's hard. My dad is actually. He just sold his house in New Orleans, so it's. It is so sad.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Oh, my dad's still there, so it's my last link.

[Charlotte Svensson]

Literally. You have to keep that.

[Stassi Schroeder]

Gotta keep the New Orleans link alive 100%. Okay, guys, class dismissed. Thanks for tuning in and see you next week for another Tell Me Lies deep dive. And don't forget to share, follow, watch and listen to Tell Me Lies, the official podcast available on Hulu and wherever you get your podcasts. Watch and listen to Tell Me Lies official podcast available on Hulu and wherever you get your podcasts. And don't miss Tell Me Lies. Now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney for bundle subscribers terms apply.