This week on That Was Us, we’re breaking down This Is Us Season 5, Episode 13: “Brotherly Love.” As Kevin travels to Philadelphia to finally confront the unresolved tension between himself and Randall, the episode explores race, identity, jealousy, and the complicated realities of growing up as brothers who experienced the same childhood very differently.

In this episode, the hosts chat about:

* The meaning behind Philadelphia being called the “City of Brotherly Love”

* What real apologies and amends actually look like

* Thoughtlessness vs. overt racism and how those conversations show up in everyday life

* Choreographing fights, drunk acting, and Milo’s performance as intoxicated Jack

* Personal stories about early adulthood struggles, cheap meals, and figuring life out in your twenties

They also break down the episode, including:

* Young Randall imagining his “ghost kingdom” parents

* Jack taking Kevin and Randall to a taping of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood

* Kevin’s resentment over Randall receiving “special treatment” as a child

* Kevin and Randall’s drunken spring break trip and explosive cab fight in college

* Randall explaining the emotional complexity of growing up Black in a white family

* Their argument about gratitude, adoption, and feeling like an outsider in your own home

* Kevin finally acknowledging his jealousy and Randall’s lived experience as a Black man

And a friendly reminder, you can catch new episodes of That Was Us every Monday, a day early, exclusively on Hulu. Available on Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts on Tuesdays like usual!" That Was Us is produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Music by Taylor Goldsmith and Griffin Goldsmith.

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