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Now, I'm going to say first of all, that that experience is not the best experience for the customer. And I'm not a big fan of that, of annoying people with all these upsells But I do like the idea of having at least one upsell and downsell with your products. So that way your customers at least know what's available and it's frictionless and you want to make this as pleasant as possible. Un some of the checkout in these, you know, low cost airlines where you have to go through five or six or seven pages just to finish your actual reservation and there's like this timer. It's a lot of pressure, it's not a fun experience. So there's ways to do this tastefully in your online business. Another example is like when you buy shoes at a shoe store, right they suggest socks that go with it or shoe cleaner or you know, the protective spray that allows it to be like water repellent. These are upsells gyms, they have a membership. You can also add personal training sessions, you can add nutrition coaching, you can add buying, you know, their protein shakes and their creatine. These are all upsells. There's also downsells of course in the gym they say hey our annual price is XYZ or you can go monthly. That's considered a downsell. Some gyms and some reoccurring like shared spaces, like co working spaces, they allow you to like have a really cheap membership that only allows you to go to the facility three times a week or two times a week. And that's a downsell. Hey, you don't want the full membership, fine. But we got this option that's less expensive but limits your membership. Now the funny thing is is that often down sells increase the value of the actual flagship offer or your main offer where they say oh actually yeah, I do want to go every day. I see the value in that now that I'm looking at this other plan. So as you can see you are experiencing upsells and downsells every single day. But most entrepreneurs don't realize they can use them in their own playbooks in their own digital businesses. So let me give you some examples in the digital product world and you could do this tastefully without being annoying with just giving the customers the option to get more value or make the best decision for them when it comes to maybe getting something that's a less expensive offer and exactly what they need. So for example, an online course, you have a main product, maybe the course is $200 and then you have an upsell to have a one on one coaching call for $99. So a lot of people will go for that upsell just because they want one on one Coaching. They want to speak to you and ask some questions and get some tailored advice and for $100 for an hour session, say, for example, is pretty reasonable for them and they can see the value. Now some people are not going to see the value and that's because that's not what they need. And they may even see the core product, the main product, which is a $200 course, to be out of their price range and maybe too much of a leap for them at this moment. You have to remember that your customers are on a spectrum. Some people are ready and prime, ready to buy and ready to pay whatever you are asking them to pay, and some people not so much. So a downsell is if they say no to the main offer. You can offer, for example, a $49 workbook or template or a mini version of the course or maybe the first module of the course or or even the course without lifetime access. So you're like, hey, you're not going to get lifetime access. You have access to this course for 30 days. If you want to consume it and take it, it's $49. But after that it'll be gone. And some people will take that and be like, hey, I will consume it. And that's perfect for me. I'll pay $49 for that. Let's go into membership sites. Your main product might be a monthly membership of $49. An upsell could be an annual for 490, which allows them to get two free months. And a downsell might be a light version of your membership for $29 a month with fewer features or benefits. SaaS, software. I ran a software company for 10 years, grew it to over 30,000 users. I learned a ton about pricing and packaging through the process before we sold the company, exited to proprofs. So what can you do with software? Well, upsell, you can upsell extra storage, premium features, premium plans, concierge, onboarding, white glove service, whatever it might be premium support. Some people offered that. We didn't do that. We felt like we wanted to give premium support to everybody. But these are options. A downsell could be a lower tier plan for those who don't want to pay full price or just want to try you out. What about E commerce? What if you sell like physical products on an online store? Let's say you sell cameras, right? You could buy a camera and the upsell is a lens bundle or a downsell is a cheaper tripod than the one that you're recommending in the bundle. And Amazon does this a lot with you see it frequently bought together, right? They know that people want to accessorize want to have options to improve their experience with this new product. But quick pro tip Digital products have the best margins for upsells because the cost of delivery is basically zero. So how do you add these upsells and downsells to your funnel right now? Step 1 Map your customer journey. What's the natural next step after the main offer? Whatever your main offer is, what's the next thing that your customer wants to solve wants to do? Create that offer and create a one click upsell. Don't make them re enter their payment information again. Use a checkout tool that supports one click add ons so that way when they're in the checkout process, it makes sense for you to add on the template. Add on the coaching call. Step 3 Decide on your downsell Ask yourself, if they say no to my main offer, what's a smaller version or a starter option of my main offer? Again, this could be the offer itself or the product itself, but with limitations. Maybe a limitation of time or content or support. Step four is to test the placement of these offers. If you want to do it pre checkout with the upsell or post checkout after they say thanks for your order and you want to add this to your cart. So you want to test these out in your own system or follow up or cart abandonment emails for downsells where you email them and say hey, I saw you checked out this offer but didn't buy. We have another option that's a little less expensive but have these limitations, it might be up your alley. And lastly step five, you want to track the impact. As Peter Drucker says, what gets measured gets managed, right? So you want to watch what your average order value is and the conversion rates. So even 10 to 20% take rate of an upsell can transform your revenue incredibly. So when you're getting started, look at what your average order value is right now so that you have a benchmark to measure against. Before we wrap up this episode, I want to give you some parting advice, some last tips to help you out. When you're thinking about building your upsells and down sales, think about building like a menu. Like you have a restaurant and you're building out your menu. The burger is your main product, right? The fries, the drinks, the desserts, that's your upsell menu. And a smaller burger instead of the Big Mac, just a cheeseburger is your downsell. So how do you make money with upsells and Downsells, stop thinking only about the sale and think about the total order and how I can solve more problems for my customers and give them more value. Because if I give them more value, they'll be willing to pay for it. This is the thing a lot of people don't comprehend when they're starting out in business is that people are willing to pay for more value. And we just think, who's going to pay more? Lots of people. There's a lot of people that have enough money to spend to get more out of what you offer, meaning that they want you to help them with other things. Do this right and you'll boost your revenue without spending more on ads or chasing new customers. Now, before you go, I want to leave you with this. If you ever have the feeling like, I don't want to know my customers, the customers are going to get angry and ask yourself how you feel as a customer. The airline example of checking out and buying an airline ticket is the worst example. And the other side of the spectrum. But on these other side of the spectrum, where upsells and downsells are great. For example, the company Apple. Apple has a ton of products in its product line, right? It has the AirPods, which is kind of their starting line product. And they have, you know, the watch, the Apple watch. And then they have iPhones and they have imacs and they have iPads and they have AirPod Maxes and, you know, like, I can go on and on and on. And the reason why they do this is because they know that once you consume one product, you're gonna be like, hey, actually I love their products. They're high quality, they work perfectly. I might want to consider buying my next tablet from Apple. I need a new laptop. Maybe I should look at Apple since I love their other products so we're not so inconvenienced by it. We actually love the fact that we can get more value from a company that gives us value in the first place. If you found today's episode helpful and you want more practical business lessons to help you start, grow and scale your business, the best thing you could do is subscribe to this podcast. 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